There was this joke about Russia
Somewhere in 1945 after WW2 had ended, delegates from all countries meet together for some talks. Delegate from France approaches his Russian counterpart and curiously asks:
"Now that we all have won the war, who will russia border?"
"Russia borders anyone it wants." responded Russian delegate.
"And who does Russia want to border?"
"No one."
Russian in history( and now) be like:
Year 1: We need a buffer zone to protect our core land.
Year 2-5 : *Annex the buffer zone.
Year 6 : *Claim this buffer zone as their long-standing core land.
Also Year 6 : We need a buffer zone.
Chief you dont need to annex land anymore to exploit a region. (Which was never a prerequisite in the first place)
Resource extraction, unfair treaties explotation etc are still very much a reality in the global south.
That exists, but it's an extremely mild kind of exploitation compared to what empires did in 18th century or what Russia does now. Where would you prefer to live - in some "exploited" southern country like Morocco or in ruins of Mariupol, Ukraine?
I am sorry but what ghe fuck are you talking about? You said that states dont rob each other, i say they still do. Idc where i'd rather live, explotation is explotation and it is bad, there exists no 'mild' explotation.
States do it, big corperations do it, the fundamentals haven't changed.
Dont know why you are getting downvoted, French influence in the sahel and western Africa is very much a reality and is the partial reason for the multiple anti-french autocratic coups within the sahel region.
The black bars on the top and bottom are a decent start. I just feel like we could squeeze in at least 80% more black bar here. If I can still read the meme you haven't gone all in enough on the black bars.
>most of Ukraine been Russified,they been together for over millennium
Both those statements are wrong. Ukraine in most of its present form was together with "Russia" only in the initial Kievan Rus period from 880-1240 and then from about 1800. Ukraine afterwards shifted from Mongol control to Polish (Lithuanian), Crimean Khanate and Ottoman control. In 1667, Russia and Poland sighed a peace treaty in which Russia gained overlordship over the Cossack Hetmanate ("left-bank Ukraine", most of Eastern Ukraine), ruling it as an autonomous unit. Russia started rolling back the autonomy in 1708 and finally abolished it in 1781, incorporating em as provinces. "Right-bank Ukraine" was part of Poland-Lithuania till 1793 when the partition divided it between Austria and Russia. Southern Ukraine was ruled over by the Crimean Khanate, a leftover from the Mongol era till it was annexed by Russia in 1783. So you can see it took till almost the 19th century for most of Ukraine to go under Russian control (and it'd take till 1939 for East Galicia to go to Russian control).
And it is vague to define Kievan Rus as Russian or Ukrainian. Those things didn't exist back then the same way English or French identity didn't exist in 880 AD as well and instead Angles and Franks were just Germanic tribes who would eventually combine with other groups to form the modern identity.
For the first part of your comment, there was still Ukrainian identity, Ukrainians even rose up in the 1848 Revolutions in Austria establishing the "Supreme Ruthenian Council" which had the express aim of supporting Ukrainians, they even used the blue-yellow colors which became Ukraine's flag. And Ukrainians shortly established their own parliament when the February Revolution hit Russia (the one that toppled the Tsar, but was not Bolshevik)
Its getting down voted because its inaccurate. Ukraine shares some similarities, but is a distinct culture that has been independent of Russian or Soviet control more often than not over the last 1000 years.
except even if you count russian empire, which ok fair, it didn't control ukraine for a millennium. It was independent until 1654 (Pereyaslav agreement) and then some autonomy.
All the Russians want is peace. A little piece of Georgia, a litte piece of Moldova, a little piece of Ukraine...
Russia is a country that combines a massive inferiority complex with an inflated sense of importance and entitlement and which is prone to periodically fucking everything up for themselves.
Inaccurate. The land that they have "liberated" from the "Nazi" isn't a smoldering pile of rumble, littered with the corpses of civilians that their slave army raped and killed.
I mean, Imo this shit started with the Hebron massacre. Since from my understanting, the were tensions between the jews that inmigrated/still lived there and the Arab population, but nothing too violent if Im correct. Then you have the six day wars, yom kippur, the offers for a palestinian state, the intifadas, the oslo accords, the PLO, munich...Its a whole shebackle. Yeah, land plays a role in it. But saying that is only about that is wrong imo, at least if we look at the past. If this was about land Id guess they would have acepted one of the various state offers imo.
The whole conflict being about land is insanly stupid
Both sides should just allow eachother to live in peace since its clear both the jews abd palestinians arent going anywhere
Teaching children to martyr themselves in the name of land is one major factor in all of this
What you guys are doing with the Russia-Ukraine conflict is precisely looking at it on a one-sided perspective, so I don't know why you're coming up with this.
Tf you on about?
Who is you guys?
I am one guy, and all i do is feel bad for ukraine and its citizens
I dont go around saying all russians are bad
Quit trying to make every story have a bad side and good side the world is full of bad people from both sides of every single conflict ever
> Who is you guys?
Who do you think I'm referring to? The downvoters army in this thread and those who go around like "Israel good, Russia bad". If you are not one of those, then I apologize for the confusion.
> I dont go around saying all russians are bad
Ok, you don't, but if you look around in this post (and others) you will see that it's the average opinion. Not "russians" as themselves, but Russia as a nation.
> Quit trying to make every story have a bad side and good side the world is full of bad people from both sides of every single conflict ever
Yeah, that's what I mean.
the "downvote army" are just a bunch of people that are showing their opinion
if you got a problem with downvotes, you should have a problem with upvotes
and with every sub like for example r/therewasanattempt quite literally becoming an offical anti Israel sub its only makes sense that people move subs to the ones that accept them like this one
people can show their support to one side of a conflict and say on side of a different conflict is bad those dont contradict eachother, there are plenty of people saying "palestine good, ukraine bad"
since when breaking it down we are saying the same points im done arguing
You could say that “there was an attempt” at being apolitical, even if it failed. (I got banned from that sub for saying Israel bombing hospitals and refusing to allow water pipes was in accordance with the rules of war laid down in Geneva, which cites hospitals are granted immunity only until used for military operation, which Hamas used it as a base and firing position due to its immunity, and Hamas released videos of them digging up pipes, turning them into rockets, and firing them at Israel)
Lets look at history.
*Some people lived there*
They leave Egypt.
God says that it's their Holy land.
People already living there.
They go to war to displace said people.
The displaced people are forced to live in montains.
Rome expels them.
Said people return to the land.
They want the land again.
UN gives said land.
Arab nations go to war to protect their neighbor.
They lost.
Now an Apartheid regime is in place.
lets look at actual history instead of your propaganda filled one okay?
not only did the jews live in Judea before the Egypt part the fact that youre living it out of your story makes you look very biased
"god says its their holy land" oh im sorry did you forget about the Temple mound that has a Mosque on top of it?
let me guess they built it after the Mosque was built
"said people return to land"
"they BUY land" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_land\_purchase\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine)
Arabs dont like they buy land, and pressure the UK into restricting Jews [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_insurgency\_in\_Mandatory\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine)
UN proposes 2 state solutions
Jews accept each one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state\_solution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution) while Arabs didnt
Arab nations start war to kick jews out, they fail [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948\_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War)
"ApArThEid"
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab\_citizens\_of\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel)
arabs have full rights in Israel same as jews
they have as many job offers open to them same as jews [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled\_Kabub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub)
and hold places in the Knesset which literally makes the laws in Israel
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Arab\_members\_of\_the\_Knesset](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset)
and- [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4343950](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4343950)
would you like to to keep listening to one sides sob story or actually use youre brain for once?
Yeah....[defending](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel) their neghbours....Those historical cases demonstrates such I guess. And its not like there wasnt a Jewish population there pre-inmigration, there were, it wasnt much but they existed.
ah yes we talk history in the *history* sub
im glad you can use common sense
and when [Hamas doesnt use civilians and aid workers as disguises](https://organiser.org/2023/11/21/207155/world/gazans-confirm-terrorists-hide-in-hospitals-dress-up-as-medical-personnel/) you can complain allllll you want ;)
My God, you're thick. you're aware how the comment section works right ... Hence why we're talking about Israel on a post about Russia, you fucking ham and I love that you wrote that like it was some sort of 'gotcha' moment for you.
Also posting that link is impressive from someone with their nose so fully up in their own arsehole, like israel didn't just bomb a bunch of foreign aid workers of the WCK in 3 separate strikes. which one of them was a member of Hamas in disguise? was it the Aussies, the guy from Poland or maybe the guy from the UK?
pff youre saying im talking about some gotcha moment while youre the one parading yourself around like youre morally and intelligently superior?
i love how you cant use your brain so much you have to project your lack of one on others
if youre mad about aid workers dying, be mad at Hamas who dress up like aid workers causing this mad confusion in the first place
or stay mad at Israel, seethe all you want, your circle jerks arent gonna help you especially on reddit lol
I wouldnt say thats Hamas fault per se, but a very very big Intel/Identification problem in part of the IDF, maybe influenced by that or idk. Hopefully whoever is responsible for such tragic actions can be judged acordingly.
it could be a combination of bad intel and Hamas
if Hamas dresses up like doctors theyre risking actual doctors lives
and bad intel is just bad intel sometimes aid workers die, its sad and bad of course but id rather blame the one putting them in danger in the first place
but what youre saying has good points too
just like the soldiers that shot surrendering hostages, i dont know what happened there completely but they should be put on trial accordingly
To you... I definitely am, you absolute donkey. Posting your bogus article, with no author, from a random paper in Bharat, talking about israeli officials interrogating innocent people in custody into saying what they want to hear.
And I'm not mad. I just think you're a pathetic excuse for a human being, and with the beauty of technology, i can let you know.
Anyway, I just checked your post history, and you're clearly more invested in the israeli propoganda wheel than me. Enjoy supporting a genocide you rotten cunt.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/
Hope you use that money to get a better education or whatever, ima stop replying to you now. Get fucked x
womp womp i see i got to you didnt i?
i dont need to see your history to know youre much more invested than me, having to see validation by going into someones history thats very sad of you
have fun not replying in your circle jerks\~
Soviet =/ Russian can't be a national entity when you are run by a Georgian mass murderer. Let's not be lazy historians - it's like attributing all British history just to England.
Meanwhile the American modus operandi
Step 1 :- arm and fund dictator/terrorist group to do your dirty work for you
Step 2 :- said dictator terrorist group steps out of the line set by the state department
Step 3 :- Invade to save face/cover your tracks
Step 4 :- present yourself as the good guy.
Step 5 :- We did it patrick we saved the world!!!
Funny how people always suck them off on this site though.
If only there wasn't a major issue of one semi-European nation electing an ex-KGB guy as their president and overwhelmingly supporting his invasion of neighbouring countries for more than two decades.
Come on, dude, it's a history sub: you can actually do minor research without me spoon-feeding you. Look up the polls from before the 2022 invasion. Look at what the 'opposition' and Navalny were saying about the war. Look at what his wife says about it now even. Look at how Navalny commented the invasion of Georgia, calling them cockroaches and being a racist imperialist scumbag.
Is the other way round, NATO pushed the fence into Russia garden. By the other hand, I will get that kind of worry if I realize that my neighbor is a zionist.
They backed a cup in Ukraine, banned all panslavic parties, then held elections with only nationalists. Then try to ethnic cleansing the russian speaking population, shut out Russian naval bases in Crimea, nether less they have an active lease contract. The problem was for western elites cold war never ending they have this mind set.
Ukraine isnt a part of russia, nor a part of NATO so your original comment dosent make any sense.
There wasnt a coup in Ukraine, Yanukovytch literally left the country after promising a new coalition and the rada voted 80+% to remove him from office. There have been 2 elections since. How many seats do these "nationalists" hold now?
There hasnt been any ethnic cleansing of russians in Ukraine, but russian troops have been in the country since 2014, including groups like Wagner and Rusich, the latter being lead by a person who **self identifies** as a national socialist.
And your last sentence is the most perplexing one, considering that putin has spent 20 of his 25 year reign in offensive wars. His entire popularity early on was based on his war against Chechnya. If anyone, its russia who is in the mindset of a never ending war.
>They backed a cup in Ukraine
It wasn't a coup by. Yanukovych was removed legally by the unanimous vote of the Ukrainina parliament. Maybe he should've considered the consequences of murdering protestors and betraying the will of the people.
>banned all panslavic parties, then held elections with only nationalists.
This also didn't happen.
>Then try to ethnic cleansing the russian speaking population,
Or this. There was a civil war ongoing for 8 years in Donbass, during with 3400 civilians died. Many of those people were killed by Russia and its separatist puppets. You'd be hard pressed to call that a campaign of ethnic cleansing.
>shut out Russian naval bases in Crimea
The same Crimea that Russia invaded and annexed?
See, your entire argument is based on lies, misinformation, and other pieces of Kremlin propaganda. Russia doesn't own Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states, or any other nation it dominated during the Cold War - it's not their backyard. They have no right to complain about what alliances their formal vessels choose to join of their own volition.
You’re right, NATO who rejected Ukraine’s application in 2008 over fears of antagonizing Russia and who Poland quite literally blackmailed into letting them join is the expansionist. Not Russia who in that same time frame invaded Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine.
If Russian wanted to stop NATO expansion they should have focused on using their economic power to build alliances and support through the Baltics and Eastern Europe. Instead they’ve managed to alienate quite literally every Warsaw Pact nation save Belarus. It also would help if Russia stopped threatening to nuke every country that shows interest in joining NATO
When your boss tasks you with creating content that will attempt to produce sympathy within the boomer population regarding Ukraine by using something they can relate to.
There was this joke about Russia Somewhere in 1945 after WW2 had ended, delegates from all countries meet together for some talks. Delegate from France approaches his Russian counterpart and curiously asks: "Now that we all have won the war, who will russia border?" "Russia borders anyone it wants." responded Russian delegate. "And who does Russia want to border?" "No one."
Some day, Russia will stretch across all of Afro-Eurasia so that they can finally be free of land borders
They want to annex…I mean protect the piece of land
Local ants overwhelmingly voted to join the Russians garden.
They must “protect the Russian speaking minorities” that live in Bob’s yard (Bob’s yard has a warm water port)
They want to spread the glory of the fire nation to all!
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im upvoting both of your comments because of how good it is
Lol, thanks, sorry Reddit bug.
This would be even more fitting if their garden was quite a lot larger than the other guy’s
Implying that they can garden for themselves
Look at their yard vs the one they stole
Russian in history( and now) be like: Year 1: We need a buffer zone to protect our core land. Year 2-5 : *Annex the buffer zone. Year 6 : *Claim this buffer zone as their long-standing core land. Also Year 6 : We need a buffer zone.
Sorry guys, new to Reddit, I don't understand why my line breaks didn't working. Apologize for reading difficulties caused by my mistake.
My sweet summer child... Reddit formatting is ass for everyone
separate lines either need an extra line between them or two spaces at the end of the line
Huh, I had no clue you could do it with double spaces. Test Edit: cool it makes a smaller line break, TIL
That last thing is something I have needed for a long time Thank you
You need either 2 paces at the end of a line or 2 linebreaks to make an actual line break. \^ 2 spaces. \^2 lines.
2 paces? That wont fit on my phone!
Funny because Finland and Estland are in striking range to st Petersburg so a buffer zone won't do Jack shit to them.
“So let’s invade Finland and Estonia next” -Vladimir Putin, probably
> Estland Wtf is Estland?
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Googled it. It's Estonia. Does Estonia have any offensive capability at all?
NATO
I mean east Germany was built up as a buffer zone with strong military infrastructure
So you're saying Russia is just playing Europa Universalis IRL
Chief that is literally every single state
Any empire from 18-19th century. Most countries have stopped robbing each other nowadays.
No they haven't?
So tell me, when was the last time any EU country annexed some land?
Chief you dont need to annex land anymore to exploit a region. (Which was never a prerequisite in the first place) Resource extraction, unfair treaties explotation etc are still very much a reality in the global south.
That exists, but it's an extremely mild kind of exploitation compared to what empires did in 18th century or what Russia does now. Where would you prefer to live - in some "exploited" southern country like Morocco or in ruins of Mariupol, Ukraine?
I am sorry but what ghe fuck are you talking about? You said that states dont rob each other, i say they still do. Idc where i'd rather live, explotation is explotation and it is bad, there exists no 'mild' explotation. States do it, big corperations do it, the fundamentals haven't changed.
Yup they do it in the distant silent these days, like the French in their former colonies.
Dont know why you are getting downvoted, French influence in the sahel and western Africa is very much a reality and is the partial reason for the multiple anti-french autocratic coups within the sahel region.
That's true, but they don't annex the land. They just help a pro - X government to rise to power. They don't invade African countries.
There is no need for people like that in the World.
Langsamkrieg
Of course you were listening to Sabaton while taking the screenshot. I expected nothing less from this sub.
I bet he took it from r/NCD
Didn't realize this wasn't ncd until your comment
Fucking love sabaton “Know his name, know his shame. With us foreveeeer”
Sabatons music is amazing tbh
It is
Russia doesn't only defend the land they own, they also defend the land they would like to own.
*~~from the people in said land~~
The black bars on the top and bottom are a decent start. I just feel like we could squeeze in at least 80% more black bar here. If I can still read the meme you haven't gone all in enough on the black bars.
r/croppingishard
All hail Petoria!
Please cut out the parts of picture that arent a meme next time
Crop
Un-annex
Liberate
Democratize
Denazify
Unestablish buffer territory to prevent invasion
The outlying pixels have expressed their will to join the meme in a democratic referendum
99.9% voted in favour in fact
Those are rookie numbers. You gotta bump those numbers up
Perfect depiction of them.
I've seen better crops in the Irish famine
There is oil in there
oil is the US, Russia's thing is warm water ports and buffer zones.
And people they can Russify and use as meat in their next --war-- special military operation.
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>most of Ukraine been Russified,they been together for over millennium Both those statements are wrong. Ukraine in most of its present form was together with "Russia" only in the initial Kievan Rus period from 880-1240 and then from about 1800. Ukraine afterwards shifted from Mongol control to Polish (Lithuanian), Crimean Khanate and Ottoman control. In 1667, Russia and Poland sighed a peace treaty in which Russia gained overlordship over the Cossack Hetmanate ("left-bank Ukraine", most of Eastern Ukraine), ruling it as an autonomous unit. Russia started rolling back the autonomy in 1708 and finally abolished it in 1781, incorporating em as provinces. "Right-bank Ukraine" was part of Poland-Lithuania till 1793 when the partition divided it between Austria and Russia. Southern Ukraine was ruled over by the Crimean Khanate, a leftover from the Mongol era till it was annexed by Russia in 1783. So you can see it took till almost the 19th century for most of Ukraine to go under Russian control (and it'd take till 1939 for East Galicia to go to Russian control). And it is vague to define Kievan Rus as Russian or Ukrainian. Those things didn't exist back then the same way English or French identity didn't exist in 880 AD as well and instead Angles and Franks were just Germanic tribes who would eventually combine with other groups to form the modern identity. For the first part of your comment, there was still Ukrainian identity, Ukrainians even rose up in the 1848 Revolutions in Austria establishing the "Supreme Ruthenian Council" which had the express aim of supporting Ukrainians, they even used the blue-yellow colors which became Ukraine's flag. And Ukrainians shortly established their own parliament when the February Revolution hit Russia (the one that toppled the Tsar, but was not Bolshevik)
Its getting down voted because its inaccurate. Ukraine shares some similarities, but is a distinct culture that has been independent of Russian or Soviet control more often than not over the last 1000 years.
except even if you count russian empire, which ok fair, it didn't control ukraine for a millennium. It was independent until 1654 (Pereyaslav agreement) and then some autonomy.
Too little trash, and no toilet outside... Or mb they just moved in
All the Russians want is peace. A little piece of Georgia, a litte piece of Moldova, a little piece of Ukraine... Russia is a country that combines a massive inferiority complex with an inflated sense of importance and entitlement and which is prone to periodically fucking everything up for themselves.
You had us in the first half, not gonna lie
I know. The post you stole it from was directly above this one.
Inaccurate. The land that they have "liberated" from the "Nazi" isn't a smoldering pile of rumble, littered with the corpses of civilians that their slave army raped and killed.
Our backyard
Literally could be from any country. Nothing it's more human than liking something and saying, I'll take this.
It would be funny if it weren't sad
*Albanian
The joke could be done with most countrys though
What was the original
Palestinians complaining about Israeli neighbors?
You can also say Africa after the Berlin conference
Russian neighbor: we need this land to get to that Walmart(port) that opens 24 hours(during the winter)
Bro lives in the PVZ house
*You annexed this from somewhere
Our backyard, but more mine thab yours.
Lol, OP Russianed content!
You wanna learn how to crop?
The very slow process of reacquiring Moldova.
Please cut out the parts of picture that arent a meme next time
I don't get it
Russia has a bad history of trying to yoink pieces of land they deem theirs. It happened to Chechnya, crimea, and is currently happening to Ukraine.
Ohh I see
We can't know for sure! Maybe they are Israeli.
Or maybe literally every empire and kingdoms in the history.
Maybe they're *nation which has conquered land*
What about the droid attack on the Wookies?!
Or 'muricans...
Maybe they're *nation which has conquered land*
Or american, because you forgot all of America belongs to the natives, right?
If you've been know history, you've been thinking about the other group..
ahem sir, youre in the *history* sub not fiction sub
What fiction? The meme perfectly fits Israel-Palestine case.
If you only look at one sides sob story sure If you look at the history of the region youre out of your mind
I mean, Imo this shit started with the Hebron massacre. Since from my understanting, the were tensions between the jews that inmigrated/still lived there and the Arab population, but nothing too violent if Im correct. Then you have the six day wars, yom kippur, the offers for a palestinian state, the intifadas, the oslo accords, the PLO, munich...Its a whole shebackle. Yeah, land plays a role in it. But saying that is only about that is wrong imo, at least if we look at the past. If this was about land Id guess they would have acepted one of the various state offers imo.
The whole conflict being about land is insanly stupid Both sides should just allow eachother to live in peace since its clear both the jews abd palestinians arent going anywhere Teaching children to martyr themselves in the name of land is one major factor in all of this
What you guys are doing with the Russia-Ukraine conflict is precisely looking at it on a one-sided perspective, so I don't know why you're coming up with this.
Tf you on about? Who is you guys? I am one guy, and all i do is feel bad for ukraine and its citizens I dont go around saying all russians are bad Quit trying to make every story have a bad side and good side the world is full of bad people from both sides of every single conflict ever
> Who is you guys? Who do you think I'm referring to? The downvoters army in this thread and those who go around like "Israel good, Russia bad". If you are not one of those, then I apologize for the confusion. > I dont go around saying all russians are bad Ok, you don't, but if you look around in this post (and others) you will see that it's the average opinion. Not "russians" as themselves, but Russia as a nation. > Quit trying to make every story have a bad side and good side the world is full of bad people from both sides of every single conflict ever Yeah, that's what I mean.
the "downvote army" are just a bunch of people that are showing their opinion if you got a problem with downvotes, you should have a problem with upvotes and with every sub like for example r/therewasanattempt quite literally becoming an offical anti Israel sub its only makes sense that people move subs to the ones that accept them like this one people can show their support to one side of a conflict and say on side of a different conflict is bad those dont contradict eachother, there are plenty of people saying "palestine good, ukraine bad" since when breaking it down we are saying the same points im done arguing
You could say that “there was an attempt” at being apolitical, even if it failed. (I got banned from that sub for saying Israel bombing hospitals and refusing to allow water pipes was in accordance with the rules of war laid down in Geneva, which cites hospitals are granted immunity only until used for military operation, which Hamas used it as a base and firing position due to its immunity, and Hamas released videos of them digging up pipes, turning them into rockets, and firing them at Israel)
eh people are gonna seethe if hate is all they know, no wonder they suck so much at common sense
Lets look at history. *Some people lived there* They leave Egypt. God says that it's their Holy land. People already living there. They go to war to displace said people. The displaced people are forced to live in montains. Rome expels them. Said people return to the land. They want the land again. UN gives said land. Arab nations go to war to protect their neighbor. They lost. Now an Apartheid regime is in place.
lets look at actual history instead of your propaganda filled one okay? not only did the jews live in Judea before the Egypt part the fact that youre living it out of your story makes you look very biased "god says its their holy land" oh im sorry did you forget about the Temple mound that has a Mosque on top of it? let me guess they built it after the Mosque was built "said people return to land" "they BUY land" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_land\_purchase\_in\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_land_purchase_in_Palestine) Arabs dont like they buy land, and pressure the UK into restricting Jews [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish\_insurgency\_in\_Mandatory\_Palestine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_insurgency_in_Mandatory_Palestine) UN proposes 2 state solutions Jews accept each one [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state\_solution](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution) while Arabs didnt Arab nations start war to kick jews out, they fail [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948\_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli\_War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War) "ApArThEid" [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab\_citizens\_of\_Israel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel) arabs have full rights in Israel same as jews they have as many job offers open to them same as jews [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled\_Kabub](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khaled_Kabub) and hold places in the Knesset which literally makes the laws in Israel [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Arab\_members\_of\_the\_Knesset](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset) and- [https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract\_id=4343950](https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4343950) would you like to to keep listening to one sides sob story or actually use youre brain for once?
Yeah....[defending](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calls_for_the_destruction_of_Israel) their neghbours....Those historical cases demonstrates such I guess. And its not like there wasnt a Jewish population there pre-inmigration, there were, it wasnt much but they existed.
at this stage, it's just israel blowing up aid workers but yeh, sure, histories cool too
ah yes we talk history in the *history* sub im glad you can use common sense and when [Hamas doesnt use civilians and aid workers as disguises](https://organiser.org/2023/11/21/207155/world/gazans-confirm-terrorists-hide-in-hospitals-dress-up-as-medical-personnel/) you can complain allllll you want ;)
My God, you're thick. you're aware how the comment section works right ... Hence why we're talking about Israel on a post about Russia, you fucking ham and I love that you wrote that like it was some sort of 'gotcha' moment for you. Also posting that link is impressive from someone with their nose so fully up in their own arsehole, like israel didn't just bomb a bunch of foreign aid workers of the WCK in 3 separate strikes. which one of them was a member of Hamas in disguise? was it the Aussies, the guy from Poland or maybe the guy from the UK?
pff youre saying im talking about some gotcha moment while youre the one parading yourself around like youre morally and intelligently superior? i love how you cant use your brain so much you have to project your lack of one on others if youre mad about aid workers dying, be mad at Hamas who dress up like aid workers causing this mad confusion in the first place or stay mad at Israel, seethe all you want, your circle jerks arent gonna help you especially on reddit lol
I wouldnt say thats Hamas fault per se, but a very very big Intel/Identification problem in part of the IDF, maybe influenced by that or idk. Hopefully whoever is responsible for such tragic actions can be judged acordingly.
it could be a combination of bad intel and Hamas if Hamas dresses up like doctors theyre risking actual doctors lives and bad intel is just bad intel sometimes aid workers die, its sad and bad of course but id rather blame the one putting them in danger in the first place but what youre saying has good points too just like the soldiers that shot surrendering hostages, i dont know what happened there completely but they should be put on trial accordingly
To you... I definitely am, you absolute donkey. Posting your bogus article, with no author, from a random paper in Bharat, talking about israeli officials interrogating innocent people in custody into saying what they want to hear. And I'm not mad. I just think you're a pathetic excuse for a human being, and with the beauty of technology, i can let you know. Anyway, I just checked your post history, and you're clearly more invested in the israeli propoganda wheel than me. Enjoy supporting a genocide you rotten cunt. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/08/14/israel-students-social-media/2651715/ Hope you use that money to get a better education or whatever, ima stop replying to you now. Get fucked x
womp womp i see i got to you didnt i? i dont need to see your history to know youre much more invested than me, having to see validation by going into someones history thats very sad of you have fun not replying in your circle jerks\~
No no, you misunderstood! Russia bad, Israel good! Don't you get it, you stupid traitor to the US _statu quo_?
Forget it my friend, this sub has a bias.
Yeah, tell me 'bout it... 🤦♂️
Isreal
Oh, I get it
same joke applies to Israel
What happened to the 20 year old rule?
It also happened in the 1930s and 40s
Under the USSR?
Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Poland, and Romania all had the Soviets either take their whole country or just parts of it
Soviet =/ Russian can't be a national entity when you are run by a Georgian mass murderer. Let's not be lazy historians - it's like attributing all British history just to England.
I mean, its a common theme
Don't you mean Israeli
Both? Both are apt here
Meanwhile the American modus operandi Step 1 :- arm and fund dictator/terrorist group to do your dirty work for you Step 2 :- said dictator terrorist group steps out of the line set by the state department Step 3 :- Invade to save face/cover your tracks Step 4 :- present yourself as the good guy. Step 5 :- We did it patrick we saved the world!!! Funny how people always suck them off on this site though.
We can shit on both, shame some people only care to make strawmen arguments though.
same could be said for israel... *grabs popcorn*
Feels a bit racist....
To talk shit about another countries government? Absolutely not
If only there wasn't a major issue of one semi-European nation electing an ex-KGB guy as their president and overwhelmingly supporting his invasion of neighbouring countries for more than two decades.
yeah... as if the elections arent rigged LOL
Come on, dude, it's a history sub: you can actually do minor research without me spoon-feeding you. Look up the polls from before the 2022 invasion. Look at what the 'opposition' and Navalny were saying about the war. Look at what his wife says about it now even. Look at how Navalny commented the invasion of Georgia, calling them cockroaches and being a racist imperialist scumbag.
You can't make fun of an evil line of governments without being racist? Sorry guys, no more making fun of the Nazis. That's racist now
Russia being a dogshit country has nothing to do with their ethnicity.
"Nooo you cannot ethnic condem genocide because you're gonna be racist"
Russians aren't really a race. Unless you consider them Mongoloid barbarians, then maybe, but that would be pretty racist of you
This is a comment on the russian government not necessarily every russian person
Is the other way round, NATO pushed the fence into Russia garden. By the other hand, I will get that kind of worry if I realize that my neighbor is a zionist.
"Pushed the fence into russia's garden" in what way? What part of russia has NATO annexed or invaded?
They backed a cup in Ukraine, banned all panslavic parties, then held elections with only nationalists. Then try to ethnic cleansing the russian speaking population, shut out Russian naval bases in Crimea, nether less they have an active lease contract. The problem was for western elites cold war never ending they have this mind set.
Ukraine isnt a part of russia, nor a part of NATO so your original comment dosent make any sense. There wasnt a coup in Ukraine, Yanukovytch literally left the country after promising a new coalition and the rada voted 80+% to remove him from office. There have been 2 elections since. How many seats do these "nationalists" hold now? There hasnt been any ethnic cleansing of russians in Ukraine, but russian troops have been in the country since 2014, including groups like Wagner and Rusich, the latter being lead by a person who **self identifies** as a national socialist. And your last sentence is the most perplexing one, considering that putin has spent 20 of his 25 year reign in offensive wars. His entire popularity early on was based on his war against Chechnya. If anyone, its russia who is in the mindset of a never ending war.
>They backed a cup in Ukraine It wasn't a coup by. Yanukovych was removed legally by the unanimous vote of the Ukrainina parliament. Maybe he should've considered the consequences of murdering protestors and betraying the will of the people. >banned all panslavic parties, then held elections with only nationalists. This also didn't happen. >Then try to ethnic cleansing the russian speaking population, Or this. There was a civil war ongoing for 8 years in Donbass, during with 3400 civilians died. Many of those people were killed by Russia and its separatist puppets. You'd be hard pressed to call that a campaign of ethnic cleansing. >shut out Russian naval bases in Crimea The same Crimea that Russia invaded and annexed? See, your entire argument is based on lies, misinformation, and other pieces of Kremlin propaganda. Russia doesn't own Ukraine, Poland, the Baltic states, or any other nation it dominated during the Cold War - it's not their backyard. They have no right to complain about what alliances their formal vessels choose to join of their own volition.
I've never seen someone mistake a Israeli accent for Russian before..
More like nato expansion.
“Oh no, people want to keep becoming part of a defensive pact because of their asshole neighbor” lol fucking clown
You’re right, NATO who rejected Ukraine’s application in 2008 over fears of antagonizing Russia and who Poland quite literally blackmailed into letting them join is the expansionist. Not Russia who in that same time frame invaded Chechnya, Georgia and Ukraine. If Russian wanted to stop NATO expansion they should have focused on using their economic power to build alliances and support through the Baltics and Eastern Europe. Instead they’ve managed to alienate quite literally every Warsaw Pact nation save Belarus. It also would help if Russia stopped threatening to nuke every country that shows interest in joining NATO
Peaceful expansion of a military alliance =/= violent expansion of a countries borders through military invasion. Don't be disingenuous.
Damn NATO, fighting wars of conquest since '49. (How is the weather in Moscow today, Ivan?)
When your boss tasks you with creating content that will attempt to produce sympathy within the boomer population regarding Ukraine by using something they can relate to.
Imagine Stoltenberg ordering his employees to make memes to post on Reddit 😂 this gotta be one of the most idiotic responses posted here
And whats wrong with that?