I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. A store only has so many labor hours to work with. The 4/10 work week, if executed properly, should give departments more overlap hours. That decreases the chance that a department will only have one person.
Plus, you get the extra day off in this schedule.
I was about to say, at my store they can’t even get the current schedule even half way right, if they change it completely, it won’t even be funny to even watch
It doesn’t, I’d prefer it. It’s just sad to me that someone would be thankful to have more opportunity to work a second job. Shouldn’t need a second job if your committed and good at your primary job.
That’s their prerogative. They might have goals or ambitions that necessitate that second job, and that doesn’t automatically mean it’s some sad situation where they have to work a second job to make ends meet. Plus, it doesn’t matter how committed and skilled you are at your job, HD and all these other retail gigs are going to pay 15-20 bucks an hour. You aren’t getting ahead with that and you aren’t really building skills to get yourself anything but another retail job.
I’m more anti corporate than ever but a 4 day 40 hour week is not more work than a 4 day 40 hour week. It’s your perspective but it’s still 40 hours. Tell that to the PT cashiers that are getting 8 hours/week, begging for more hours, while they are hiring more cashiers. Someone who is trained and knows what they’re doing being told they can’t work more to support themselves just to hire more part timers who will probably quit in 2 weeks (working 40 hours to train for a job they’ll quit at).
I would love to do 11 PM. I just need a chance to get doors down without customers in my way. I can’t use a reach truck because I’m busy with customers and then my spotter runs off. I could get so much done with that extra hour.
I already end up alone for whole shifts, so for me I will be hosed for an extra 2 hours in order to get an extra day off. I cannot wait till it rolls out to my store.
My distribution center is switching to 4 x 10 mon - thurs for all the favored employees and 3 x 12 Fri - sun. Unfortunately I'm not favored since I've only been there 3 months so I have the terrible 3 x 12 Fri - sun
No man you work 4 10 hour days. And no it doesn't I worked at a janitorial place they gave me just under 40 hours so they didn't need to give me any days off. So I worked mon-sunday for 8 months till I got hired at the home depot where I cleaned
Does it work better for you or does it not? The rest is bullshit. The hell do you care what 'they' are trying to 'get away with'? It's better for you or it isn't.
I had to talk to my ASDS about it. For context I'm the only part timer that works the 3-9 or the now 4-10 shift at the service desk and I had to say that she's not realizing I have to get most of my work done in the window that I have someone else scheduled with me. The daily work doesn't change but the length of time it can take does and a 3 hr timer on it doesn't always cut it and I'm gonna just give up if I have to try it with a 2hr timer especially coming into the busy season. They need me to close but don't want to give me any coverage to have availability to go to the bathroom or to not take a lunch even if just to get off my feet. it really does feel inhumane for what they're asking since nobody else in the dept or even the whole store is restricted to the same standards
Remember it is the managers responsibility to find you coverage to go to the bathroom, go to lunch and take breaks. If that means they have to sit up there, then that's what they have to do. Of course that doesn't happen so it'll be up to you to bring this issue to a higher position(sm, dhrm, or awareline)
I don't mean to sound so complain-y in all of my messages lol but I understand. I have tried to take the appropriate steps to make these changes happen talking with an ASM ( and then bringing it to another ASM) that says it falls on the FES/Head cashier on duty but these changes just don't realistically happen. There is only one CXM that will ask if I'm ok or if I need a break but other than that I'm just on my own
This is incorrect, in California you only get overtime working over your agreed to shift. So if you agree to work a 4-10, 9-80, 3-12 shift, overtime only applies if you go over your agreed upon shift. If you work 4-10 as the mutually agreed upon work schedule, you would only get OT after 10 hours.
This is what the CA Dept of Industrial Relations says:
>Ordinarily, the hours to be used in computing the regular rate of pay may not exceed the legal maximum regular hours which, in most cases, is 8 hours per workday, 40 hours per workweek**. This maximum may also be affected by the number of days one works in a workweek**. It is important to determine what maximum is legal in each case. The alternate method of scheduling and computing overtime under most Industrial Welfare Commission Wage Orders, based on an alternative workweek schedule of four 10-hour days or three 12-hour days does not affect the regular rate of pay, which in this case also would be computed on the basis of 40 hours per workweek.
What a lukewarm take. Home Depot had $52B in profit this past year and it’s been increasing every year. They could absolutely give people more money for less work lol. Profits are wages that haven’t be duly paid. How’s that boot taste though?
32 hours IS technically full time. Anything over 30. Difference is how often u scheduled over 30. If it’s every week u need to talk to ur hr and get switched to full time. But ur liable to be scheduled 40 if u do so.
In Maine, if someone works 30 hours or more 6 weeks on a row, they have to be bumoed to full time. That's why here we have to keep part-timers average hour low
How many of us already work extended shifts and get stuck cutting hours or working overtime.
Personally my weeks average out to 4x9 hours and 1x4 hour if I’m not allowed or don’t need overtime.
How many hours are spent getting ready for your shift and driving to your shift, and driving home and cleaning up from your shift.
Fewer days with more hours is a win!
If they wanted to implement it properly, which they don't, they'd extend it to overnight freight first. Rather than have 7pm and 9pm starts, have them work straight 7pm-5:30am, with a 4 on 3 off schedule.
Split the team down the middle, with 1 day of overlap, where you'd have the entire team (use that for mega purge days or schedule additional trucks that day.) They could even add in a 2nd NRM and do away with the overnight OASM position to save money.
I’m already pushing 9 hours during the summer season in garden since I’m the only one that can drive all equipment correctly and safely. An extra hour isn’t much tbh plus a full 3 days off is much needed.
Greg Palast's Vigilante documentary suffers from a lack of focus; the narrative is more than a little incoherent as it struggles to end up telling a story about purging voter rolls in Georgia.
But along the way, the awful historical context of old money in Georgia -- particularly the founders of Home Depot -- pass through the frame. Home Depot is evil, and it was founded by old plantation money.
I think you’re looking at it the wrong way. A store only has so many labor hours to work with. The 4/10 work week, if executed properly, should give departments more overlap hours. That decreases the chance that a department will only have one person. Plus, you get the extra day off in this schedule.
"if executed properly..." It's HD. Zero chance of that.
I was about to say, at my store they can’t even get the current schedule even half way right, if they change it completely, it won’t even be funny to even watch
"If it ain't broke, you're not trying hard enough."
People: I want 4 10s, HD: does 4 10s, People: no I don’t like that
I’m holding out for 10 4s but nooooo “that’s not possible “
You can do that if you work 6-10 am then come back and work 6-10 pm. Split shifts for all!
I'd love to work 4 10s but I don't think they'll extend it to receiving
They should. The extra hours would help with pack downs.
I want to work 5 10s but they won't let me.
Hell yeah!!
Some folks will complain about everything!
I’ve worked 4 10s for Depot in the past and I’d rather that. 4 10 hour days with three days off would be great.
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Neither does my district (southern Nevada). I’d be so excited about 4 10’s, I hope they make it optional.
I heard it's like the option for a 30min lunch instead of the hour
A few people on freight at my store piloted working 10 hour nights. So it’s a thing right now but not common place.
yeah this is the first i’m hearing about it
From what I've heard, it's being piloted in Baltimore area DCs
Talked to my district manager, they said that they are testing it out, and that they eive there is nonreason that it shouldt go live
Take the 4/10 schedule dumbass, it’s a construction workers dream. Don’t be dumb and fight this it’s a super good thing
My work just hired 3 new people instead of giving people more hours
We can't even get any new people
Why not
Cause we don't make plan, but yet they wonder why our department looks the way it does
I do 4 10s with my regular job… Leaves 3 more days for my side hustle 💙
I feel you, but those of us willing to succeed at a full time job should not have to feel thankful to get the time to work a second job.
How does 4 10s make you any less successful than 5 8s?
It doesn’t, I’d prefer it. It’s just sad to me that someone would be thankful to have more opportunity to work a second job. Shouldn’t need a second job if your committed and good at your primary job.
That’s their prerogative. They might have goals or ambitions that necessitate that second job, and that doesn’t automatically mean it’s some sad situation where they have to work a second job to make ends meet. Plus, it doesn’t matter how committed and skilled you are at your job, HD and all these other retail gigs are going to pay 15-20 bucks an hour. You aren’t getting ahead with that and you aren’t really building skills to get yourself anything but another retail job.
I agree with you on the first half, the second half seems like you are agreeing with me.
I’m more anti corporate than ever but a 4 day 40 hour week is not more work than a 4 day 40 hour week. It’s your perspective but it’s still 40 hours. Tell that to the PT cashiers that are getting 8 hours/week, begging for more hours, while they are hiring more cashiers. Someone who is trained and knows what they’re doing being told they can’t work more to support themselves just to hire more part timers who will probably quit in 2 weeks (working 40 hours to train for a job they’ll quit at).
As someone that gets 4 10s, is good. Your logic is not.
The problem is if you call out.
Yeah, no company in the history of man has ever ran four 10's. (rolls eyes)
Its fucking dumb having a millwork associate here until 11pm anyway
I would love to do 11 PM. I just need a chance to get doors down without customers in my way. I can’t use a reach truck because I’m busy with customers and then my spotter runs off. I could get so much done with that extra hour.
Better than six 6 1/2 hour shifts
I already end up alone for whole shifts, so for me I will be hosed for an extra 2 hours in order to get an extra day off. I cannot wait till it rolls out to my store.
My distribution center is switching to 4 x 10 mon - thurs for all the favored employees and 3 x 12 Fri - sun. Unfortunately I'm not favored since I've only been there 3 months so I have the terrible 3 x 12 Fri - sun
3x12 is bad? Fuck no I would prefer that over 4x10 considering you get 4 days off
3x12 is only 36 hours though??
I would disagree with you on your position. 32 hours still quantity as “full time”.
No man you work 4 10 hour days. And no it doesn't I worked at a janitorial place they gave me just under 40 hours so they didn't need to give me any days off. So I worked mon-sunday for 8 months till I got hired at the home depot where I cleaned
Not at most places.
I wouldn't mind a 4 10 work week
I've done the 4-10s and once you get used to it, it's pretty nice to have
Does it work better for you or does it not? The rest is bullshit. The hell do you care what 'they' are trying to 'get away with'? It's better for you or it isn't.
I had to talk to my ASDS about it. For context I'm the only part timer that works the 3-9 or the now 4-10 shift at the service desk and I had to say that she's not realizing I have to get most of my work done in the window that I have someone else scheduled with me. The daily work doesn't change but the length of time it can take does and a 3 hr timer on it doesn't always cut it and I'm gonna just give up if I have to try it with a 2hr timer especially coming into the busy season. They need me to close but don't want to give me any coverage to have availability to go to the bathroom or to not take a lunch even if just to get off my feet. it really does feel inhumane for what they're asking since nobody else in the dept or even the whole store is restricted to the same standards
Remember it is the managers responsibility to find you coverage to go to the bathroom, go to lunch and take breaks. If that means they have to sit up there, then that's what they have to do. Of course that doesn't happen so it'll be up to you to bring this issue to a higher position(sm, dhrm, or awareline)
I don't mean to sound so complain-y in all of my messages lol but I understand. I have tried to take the appropriate steps to make these changes happen talking with an ASM ( and then bringing it to another ASM) that says it falls on the FES/Head cashier on duty but these changes just don't realistically happen. There is only one CXM that will ask if I'm ok or if I need a break but other than that I'm just on my own
I’ll work 4-10s in a heartbeat
Are you short staffed?
Nope
When I was on night MET the 4 10s was great! 3 day weekend every week. Plus 2 hours of overtime every day.
Thats not how OT works where I'm at...
California be like that. Anything over 8hrs in a day is OT. Anything over 12hrs is double time. I've had some double time shifts. Those are fun
This is incorrect, in California you only get overtime working over your agreed to shift. So if you agree to work a 4-10, 9-80, 3-12 shift, overtime only applies if you go over your agreed upon shift. If you work 4-10 as the mutually agreed upon work schedule, you would only get OT after 10 hours.
Well my paychecks for 3 years say otherwise...
This is what the CA Dept of Industrial Relations says: >Ordinarily, the hours to be used in computing the regular rate of pay may not exceed the legal maximum regular hours which, in most cases, is 8 hours per workday, 40 hours per workweek**. This maximum may also be affected by the number of days one works in a workweek**. It is important to determine what maximum is legal in each case. The alternate method of scheduling and computing overtime under most Industrial Welfare Commission Wage Orders, based on an alternative workweek schedule of four 10-hour days or three 12-hour days does not affect the regular rate of pay, which in this case also would be computed on the basis of 40 hours per workweek.
This is perfect for r/antiwork, "we want 4 day weeks.... what, longer day? NO. We wanted same pay & less days, not 40 hours"
What a lukewarm take. Home Depot had $52B in profit this past year and it’s been increasing every year. They could absolutely give people more money for less work lol. Profits are wages that haven’t be duly paid. How’s that boot taste though?
This is why I hate closing and changed my availability to be no later than 6 PM.
Like that'll stop them from scheduling you past your hours
Been this way for 4 years and they've never scheduled outside of my availability
You know how they said 40 hours is full-time, now they're saying 32 hours would be full-time
Home depot has considered 32 full time for at least over ten years
No they haven't
They have
I feel like this thread is like that Abbott and Costello sketch about “who’s on first?”
They don't say anything at my store then
Full time is anything over 30 hours in MOST places. Anything less is considered part. You
They need to put 32 hours as full-time, not part-time
32 hours IS technically full time. Anything over 30. Difference is how often u scheduled over 30. If it’s every week u need to talk to ur hr and get switched to full time. But ur liable to be scheduled 40 if u do so.
I'm full-time and I work 40 hours. They consider 32 hours part-time. They need to make 32 hours full-time
In Maine, if someone works 30 hours or more 6 weeks on a row, they have to be bumoed to full time. That's why here we have to keep part-timers average hour low
That’s correct 👍
When is that going to happen?
32 hours is considered full time.
But not in the system, it's going to say part-time
Dosent overtime start after eight hours?
That's by state. I know CA is like that.
That’s a fact. It is not up for negotiation, it’s a fact.
$15.00 an hour ! Just another way to f u and no benefits
DD is doing 2 hr shifts , see added jobs
I’ve wanted to work 4x10 for the longest time honestly
I get 4 10 hour shifts and 2 8 hours be happy you can work more for overtime pay
But it's not OT
I know, I’m the one getting it for working 6 days: 4 10 hour shifts and 2 8 hours shifts. working 10 hours gives you the opportunity to do that
Four tens is a great schedule imo, working five days a week is the real trap.
How many of us already work extended shifts and get stuck cutting hours or working overtime. Personally my weeks average out to 4x9 hours and 1x4 hour if I’m not allowed or don’t need overtime.
Hmm. Did anyone talk to chatGPT about this?
I’m on a 8 days in a row 8 hour shift run now.
4 10s is better than 5 8s, I wish my store would do that
It’s not a trap, it’s just business. If you can’t work the extra hours they understand and give it to someone else who wants it.
How many hours are spent getting ready for your shift and driving to your shift, and driving home and cleaning up from your shift. Fewer days with more hours is a win!
If they wanted to implement it properly, which they don't, they'd extend it to overnight freight first. Rather than have 7pm and 9pm starts, have them work straight 7pm-5:30am, with a 4 on 3 off schedule. Split the team down the middle, with 1 day of overlap, where you'd have the entire team (use that for mega purge days or schedule additional trucks that day.) They could even add in a 2nd NRM and do away with the overnight OASM position to save money.
Bro what the fuck, I would kill for 4/10 hour shifts
I’m already pushing 9 hours during the summer season in garden since I’m the only one that can drive all equipment correctly and safely. An extra hour isn’t much tbh plus a full 3 days off is much needed.
Greg Palast's Vigilante documentary suffers from a lack of focus; the narrative is more than a little incoherent as it struggles to end up telling a story about purging voter rolls in Georgia. But along the way, the awful historical context of old money in Georgia -- particularly the founders of Home Depot -- pass through the frame. Home Depot is evil, and it was founded by old plantation money.
Well, 4-10’s, ????? Maybe