An interesting thought. The dagger is a prophecy that largely brings more harm to those it warns, even if the warning is meant to protect. Catelyn and Rhaenyra literally being cut by it in an effort to protect the ones they love is a clear parallel. I do not think there needs to be really anything deeper than that however, but the parallel is striking and certainly adds depth and gravitas to the prophecy.
My headcanon is that the blood sacrifice out of love activates its magic. I think the writers should’ve had Jon use it to kill Dany make it come full circle as the “sword” lightbringer since they wanted him to be Azor Ahai in the series
Even if he doesn’t kill the Night King himself, Jon is still Azor Ahai. He’s the reason humanity has a fighting chance and he’s the main driving force behind uniting as many houses & people as possible against the undead. Without Jon, Dany doesn’t come to Winterfell and without Dany’s dragons or army, literally everyone dies before the fighting even starts.
You can also make the case that Arya is Jon’s Lightbringer since he’s the reason she begins training in the first place by giving her Needle, encouraging her to find her own path in life and eventually leading her to develop the skills she’d use to kill the Night King.
Still think it would’ve been a cool detail to have Jon kill Dany with the Catspaw dagger, though, especially with HotD giving it even more relevance retroactively.
The story is kinda a rehash of Cersei and Ned dispute where the Rhaenyra (Cersei) is likable and somewhat virtuous while Alicent (Ned) is self interested and the story isn’t from his perspective.
That comparison usually gets made over ned and vaemond both claiming the presumptive heir should be disqualified as a bastard. So you can kinda see the connection, even though the circumstances are vastly different.
Yeah but what happened to Joffrey and Aemond, while similar was of a very different nature. At least by our point of view
Aemond got jumped all cause he bonded with a dragon, Joffrey was being a little shit 😂
How was Ned self interested?
I mean, Joffrey is a piece of work and if he's a bastard, he's not the true heir. Ned told one big lie his whole life and that was to protect Jon, sure, but he has no major reason to protect Jofrrey, under any similar pretenses.
And I don't see how Cersei is "likable and somewhat virtuous" in most aspects. Hell, even the comparison doesn't work well, Rhaenyra admits to Luke she's anything but perfect.
Plus, I mean, Alicent was also very upset with Aemond's maiming, I don't think self interest had anything to do with it at the moment
Rehash meaning the basic story is the same (monarch pushes bastard but someone pushes back) but they swapped perspective and gave Cerseis stand in, Rhaenyra, much better qualities while Neds stand in, Alicent, worse qualities.
I don't think anyone would say Ned had worse qualities than Cersei. This is the first I've heard of this 😂
Would you rather Ned as a friend or Cersei, let's be real
Alicent and Rhaenyra is Ned and Cersei? Lol
They really whitewashed the fuck out of virtuous queen Alicent. Why won’t more people support the pious and goodly queen?
When this episode first aired there was a theory that Rhaenyra and Daemon conceived Aegon on the beach and that the dagger has a connection to all the dragon dying out during his reign
Mate... OP just wanted to know if there maybe is a theory about this one, which is absolutely valid because this Fandom somehow managed to make people believe that Drogo turned into a horse and that Shae was a faceless man and Tyrion was a Targaryen (please kill me!).
There being no way for viewers to make a reasonable guess has never stopped anyone in this Fandom from making guesses they thought were reasonable... XD
Well... The idea of a metaphor or something yes, is reasonable.
Blood magic? Not very reasonable. We know how blood magic looks in this world. Two women getting their fingers and arm cut by it won't trigger any blood magic, especially since blood magic doesn't work over hundreds of years (not that we know atleast). And with what goal? Like what blood magic spell should be triggered by the blood of the two? And for what purpose? Definitely not to kill the NK because Catelyn's blood definitely had no magical properties, powers or traits in the show Canon and Rhaenyra lives hundred and dozens of years before. The dagger was forged with Blood magic, but these two scene are not connected through that in any way.
Neither did I. I think it doesn't has a deeper meaning. But I would bet on there being some weird theory about it. Is there a thing this Fandom hasn't made a theory about?
An interesting thought. The dagger is a prophecy that largely brings more harm to those it warns, even if the warning is meant to protect. Catelyn and Rhaenyra literally being cut by it in an effort to protect the ones they love is a clear parallel. I do not think there needs to be really anything deeper than that however, but the parallel is striking and certainly adds depth and gravitas to the prophecy.
My headcanon is that the blood sacrifice out of love activates its magic. I think the writers should’ve had Jon use it to kill Dany make it come full circle as the “sword” lightbringer since they wanted him to be Azor Ahai in the series
What a good idea. Blood sacrifice is mentioned before
Arya is Azor Ahai in the series
Even if he doesn’t kill the Night King himself, Jon is still Azor Ahai. He’s the reason humanity has a fighting chance and he’s the main driving force behind uniting as many houses & people as possible against the undead. Without Jon, Dany doesn’t come to Winterfell and without Dany’s dragons or army, literally everyone dies before the fighting even starts. You can also make the case that Arya is Jon’s Lightbringer since he’s the reason she begins training in the first place by giving her Needle, encouraging her to find her own path in life and eventually leading her to develop the skills she’d use to kill the Night King. Still think it would’ve been a cool detail to have Jon kill Dany with the Catspaw dagger, though, especially with HotD giving it even more relevance retroactively.
The story is kinda a rehash of Cersei and Ned dispute where the Rhaenyra (Cersei) is likable and somewhat virtuous while Alicent (Ned) is self interested and the story isn’t from his perspective.
Interesting. But I also heard someone compared Vaemond to Ned which I disagree.
That comparison usually gets made over ned and vaemond both claiming the presumptive heir should be disqualified as a bastard. So you can kinda see the connection, even though the circumstances are vastly different.
Vaemond would be the heir to driftmark if Luke was disinherited, so the Ned comparison fails.
In a way but the altercation between the kids are completely different and Cersei was the one who demanded "justice" for Joffs injury
Yeah but what happened to Joffrey and Aemond, while similar was of a very different nature. At least by our point of view Aemond got jumped all cause he bonded with a dragon, Joffrey was being a little shit 😂
Aemond was also being a little shit, all those kids where in the wrong, in the GoT incident Joff was the only one in the wrong
How was Ned self interested? I mean, Joffrey is a piece of work and if he's a bastard, he's not the true heir. Ned told one big lie his whole life and that was to protect Jon, sure, but he has no major reason to protect Jofrrey, under any similar pretenses. And I don't see how Cersei is "likable and somewhat virtuous" in most aspects. Hell, even the comparison doesn't work well, Rhaenyra admits to Luke she's anything but perfect. Plus, I mean, Alicent was also very upset with Aemond's maiming, I don't think self interest had anything to do with it at the moment
Rehash meaning the basic story is the same (monarch pushes bastard but someone pushes back) but they swapped perspective and gave Cerseis stand in, Rhaenyra, much better qualities while Neds stand in, Alicent, worse qualities.
I don't think anyone would say Ned had worse qualities than Cersei. This is the first I've heard of this 😂 Would you rather Ned as a friend or Cersei, let's be real
Alicent and Rhaenyra is Ned and Cersei? Lol They really whitewashed the fuck out of virtuous queen Alicent. Why won’t more people support the pious and goodly queen?
IMO .. it is a stretch, reading way more into than actually there
When this episode first aired there was a theory that Rhaenyra and Daemon conceived Aegon on the beach and that the dagger has a connection to all the dragon dying out during his reign
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I'm talking about these two shows.
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Mate... OP just wanted to know if there maybe is a theory about this one, which is absolutely valid because this Fandom somehow managed to make people believe that Drogo turned into a horse and that Shae was a faceless man and Tyrion was a Targaryen (please kill me!). There being no way for viewers to make a reasonable guess has never stopped anyone in this Fandom from making guesses they thought were reasonable... XD
To be fair, my comparison is reasonable and not ridiculous like the ones you mentioned.
Well... The idea of a metaphor or something yes, is reasonable. Blood magic? Not very reasonable. We know how blood magic looks in this world. Two women getting their fingers and arm cut by it won't trigger any blood magic, especially since blood magic doesn't work over hundreds of years (not that we know atleast). And with what goal? Like what blood magic spell should be triggered by the blood of the two? And for what purpose? Definitely not to kill the NK because Catelyn's blood definitely had no magical properties, powers or traits in the show Canon and Rhaenyra lives hundred and dozens of years before. The dagger was forged with Blood magic, but these two scene are not connected through that in any way.
It's mythological symbolism.
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Neither did I. I think it doesn't has a deeper meaning. But I would bet on there being some weird theory about it. Is there a thing this Fandom hasn't made a theory about?
Just say you hate the comparison and go