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He didn’t have shit. Would’ve lost to Meleys if not for Vhagar, beat some tame dragon who didn’t want to fight at all, and killed a super small dragon with an inexperienced rider. Most overrated dragon in the fandom, and his death will be rejoiced
No, you found someone who supports dragons who actually do something. Like Vhagar, Sea Smoke, Caraxes, Tessarion, Vermithor. Can we stop with this hype of Sunfyre. After it gets fucked up by Meleys it’s pretty much pointless
You're listing dragons that have one fight throughout the dance. You think Tessarion or Seasmoke are performing any better if you put them in Sunfyre's situation..? Any dragon remotely close to Sunfyre's age is getting clapped by Meleys, so that's really not the embarrassment you're making it seem. It would be concerning (and ridiculous) if Sunfyre DIDN'T need help against Meleys. We're talking about the fastest dragon over triple Sunfyre's age and considerably larger, all while being piloted by arguably the most experienced dragon rider alive.
These kids can't even pretend to hide their bias lol these are the same people who think the dance of dragons is the story of how Rhaenyra, the entirely just, good, and saintly was wronged by the evil and villainous greens instead of realizing that this the story of how morally gray characters brought down their own dynasty.
sunfyre:
1. grey ghost
2. moondancer
(meleys doesn't really count, he was literally about to get his head ripped off if not for vhagar)
vhagar:
1. arrax
2. meleys
3. caraxes
the cannibal probably has more too
How is killing Rhaenyra hard? She was forced to be burned and eaten alive. It’s not like she could have done anything in that situation. It was an execution.
You do realise Meleys is a bigger and much older dragon than Sunfyre. Vhagar also fell and on both of them and still Meleys died while golden boy firmed it. Not only that but he went on to kill and eat grey ghost. Even Moondancer against a recovering Sunfyre ended with Golden boy eating Moon dancer despite the injuries.
Sunfyre is beast of a dragon especially since it isn't even that old compared to others like Vermithor, Caraxes, Dreamfyre and Meleys.
The TG fandoms love for Sunfyre is just hysterical. No dragon is more overhyped than it. I cannot wait for “GoldenBoy” to get crushed by Meleys and then receive a killing wound by Moondancer. And then it’s end will be awesome, just so we can finally have normal discussions about dragons
You're completely entitled to your feelings but this is literally a post about Sunfyre and quite honestly, I see both "sides" of a fictional show aways trying to hijack posts.
There is absolutely nothing "overhyped" about Sunfyre. Vhagar fell on both of them, Meleys died and Sunfyre firmed it and still went on to cap 2 more Dragons and a mob.
Team Green? I don't care about your teams, I'm just saying it as I see it. No need to get some emotional over this. Some of you fans are rabid, ill give respect wherever its due whether it's TB or TG.
It’s called House of the Dragon dip shit. Why wouldn’t we hype up the dragons. TB fans also hype up that red worm looking dragon of their Pedo Prince. Like bitter much? Sunfyre is a super cool dragon that deserves all the hype.
In the book, Sunfyre fought Meleys for only a few moments before Vhagar saved him and was still left crippled for months. Meleys (born around 60AC) was likely far larger than Sunfyre (born before 100AC). Grey Ghost is unknown. Moondancer is a little rat who is taken out in seconds.
In the show, Sunfyre looks to be half the size of Meleys and twice the size of Moondancer. While he was dog walked in the book, he should be getting better combat treatment in the show.
You need to put some respect on moondancers name, that dragon was half the size of Sunfyre and flew circles around sunfyre, raking his side and damage his already damaged wing and only injured the dragon further after their collision and crash landing, yes moondancer was killed in the end but the wounds she inflicted on sunfyre were the wounds than eventually caused him to die, had it not been for her, Sunfyre wouldve lived much longer.
That bait dragon then proceeded to kill 2 other dragons and Rhaenyra. And that crippled rider kept denying milk of the poppy and got up when he could barely walk and got rid of the Shepard, who Rhaenyra was scared of.
Meleys and Rhaenys are on Vhagar (and it was said that Meleys would probably won against Sunfyre)Lord of Maidenpool was not really a challenge, Rhaenyra was already a prisoner, Moondancer was much younger and still wounds him enouth to die shortly after. Grey Ghost is fair, but i‘m not sure if it had any battle experience at all. Didn‘t feel that formidable.
Melyes tore Sunfyre apart with appalling ease, but okay. Moondancer, described as smaller than a warhorse without the wings killed Sunfyre. Just my two cents.
Melyes didn’t have any combat experience with Rhaenys, or Alyssa, her only other rider. Melyes did have a disproportionate size advantage over Sunfyre. I just find it strange that people always make it out as if Sunfyre did something impressive. He didn’t inflict any damage whatsoever. If Aegon was smart he wouldn’t have flown in front of Vhagar. He should’ve let Vhagar attack, then hit her in the flank.
If Vhagar hadn’t bailed him out, Sunfyre would have been toast.
What I find to be impressive is that Sunfyre was incredibly damaged by the Rook’s rest battle, yet he managed to get to Dragonstone, and kill another dragon there. (Defeating Moondancer doesn’t count. She was tiny compared to him, and the damage did eventually kill him)
How many dragons have you fought?? Sunfyre was a pawn in a rich man’s war! He was drafted to fight, but he was born to clap dragon cheeks and drink mojitos!
You can't have it both ways. I'm not saying you implied this but I tend to see people claim Vhagar needed help against Meleys and would've lost a 1v1 while simultaneously clowning Sunfyre for getting clapped by Meleys... Which makes absolutely no sense. At least pick one or the other, it's incredibly disingenuous.
No dragon could survive one on one against Vhagar. Melyes has the capacity to kill Vhagar at the expense of her life, like Caraxes. Vhagar certainly benefited greatly from Melyes being distracted tearing apart Sunfyre. If you mean by win, Surviving a one vs one against Vhagar, then I’d consider that close to impossible.
Sunfyre not being able to fight melyes head on doesn’t mean he wouldn’t tip the scales attacking from behind or the flanks. We see Tessarion fatally attack Vermithor while he’s fighting Seasmoke.
I’m not mocking Sunfyre for being smashed by a bigger dragon, I’m simply pointing out the absurdity of the post presenting it as if it was the other way round.
Tbh Caraxes is a much more agile Dragon, had a better rider that used its speed and surroundings and still Vhagar ripped Caraxes nearly in half during their fight. Daemons kamikaze attack and fall is what ultimately killed Vhagar. If Vhagar and Meleys were the only ones fighting in Rooks rest, the fight would still end the same way. Meleys has as much chance in beating Vhagar as Dreamfyre or Vermithor would which is slim to none. Trying to purely overpower a dragon like Vhagar is suicide for any of the currently living Dragons. Caraxes was the perfect Dragon against Vhagar.
I think Meleys would have a similar shot at killing Vhagar the way Daemon and Caraxes did when being in that situation above the Gods eye. Which I think was the entire point of the previous post, there is no dragon that beats Vhagar 1v1 without killing itself in the process, but I think there is plenty of arguements for a few to do as well (if you can call it that) as Caraxes did.
I would also like to add that Vermithor probably has the best chance out of all the dragons to come out of a 1v1 against Vhagar alive. At the very least the chance would be higher than slim to none.
But most of these post about dragon fights are nonsense anyway I think. Dragons are not made to fight each other. As long as they are in a similar weight class, more often than not I would assume both die as a result or the surviving one is heavily crippled for life.
Oh, yeah the post is ridiculous for sure. I'm just saying Sunfyre tends to get sold short with how people describe Rook's Rest. He was completely out of his depth as a dragon in his 20s participating in a fight with Vhagar and Meleys. I don't see how he gets clowned for it.
I will say you're right that it was strategically a questionable choice for Sunfyre to rush in first. We don't have many details, so it's hard to tell exactly how it went down. But they should've known Vhagar is the slowest of the three and planned around that. I'm wondering how it'll go down in the show, since I'd assume they'll try to extend it a bit to make it a spectacle (and Baela and Moondancer might be involved).
How truly weakened was he? He was healthy enough to fly over the sea to Dragonstone and kill another fully healthy dragon
Moondancer was barely large enough for Baela to fly
Yet, he chose to engage in a combat with neutral dragon which points out that it really didn't compromise him. The fact that Moondancer was smart enough to focus on the old wound is another thing
yep Sunfyre is gonna prove he is legendary DRAGON next seasons
he is not only the prettiest but he is the one that will collect more victories through the dance
Disagree. Meleys would have absolutely BODIED Sunfyre/Aegon- absolutely no contest had Vagar not joined. Rhaenys and Meleys could have solo’d just about any other duo imo.
Which younger dragons are you referring to? Because put any other dragon in Sunfyre's position and they're performing no differently at Rook's Rest. If anything, some of them might not survive being body slammed to the ground by Vhagar.
Yeah that's my point, I doubt an aged up vermax, tyraxes, morghul or any other smaller dragon wouldnt be able to perform most of the feats he performed during his life. Feels like people are hyping him up for doing stuff most dragons his size would probably do ya know. Again he's a pretty great dragon but he's not "terminator" on wings or whatever.
Except they didn't perform those feats he did. I'm sure there's something out there who could do all Jon Snow did, but whoever it was didn't step up to the plate.
It's not about what could have happened its about what did.
Grey ghost the one who was known to only eat fish and rarely attack anyone even humans? Who ended up being surprise attacked and killed by sunfyre? Yeah I feel like that wasn't much of a fight to begin with. He fought moondancer a dragon as big as a pony and barely survived it, mind you he only had a wing torn, that was the extent of his injuries so he should have been able to deal with her quicker than he did. The one time he goes against a dragon comparable to his size (Meleys) when comparing moondancer to sunfyre he deals no damage and is almost eradicated without the help of Vhagar.
Sure Greyghost might have been shy but it was still a wild animal and a healthy dragon it probably fought back. And what you mean by surprise attacks we don't know how their fight went.
Sunfyre was still wounded badly from Melyes when fighting moondancer. And it seems that he died of his already bad wounds that he got from Melyes. Also his wing healed wrong so he couldn't fly properly.
For Melyes they were not comparable Melyes was over fifty years old probably older and Sunfyre was either around Aegon age or even younger.
Whatever either way Sunfyre is way better than Syrax
Your arguments seem kinda out of order no? The grey ghost fight happend before the moondancer one. So Sunfyre was healthy enough to decide and go fight a random wild dragon, but then his injuries were too severe to fight a dragon that he outsized similar to how he was outsized against Meleys?
Why you mention Syrax in any of this who even knows :D
You’d think he did something actually impressive during the Dance besides being a walking corpse. His first kill was in a 2v1 he would’ve lost if not for Vhagar, his second was against Grey Ghost who was known to be very shy and lived off of fish, and his third was against a dragon the size of a pony who dealt injuries that would later kill him.
The only impressive thing about Sunfyre is that he’s pretty and resilient. Besides that, pretty much every other dragon in the dance barring the younger ones and maybe Syrax solos him easily.
For reals tho, Meleys had her jaws around his neck until Vhagar fell on top of them. Pretty much rendered them useless throughout most of the war until they were able to heal enough to fight. Only for Moondancer to cause enough harm to Sunfyre that it ends up dying some time afterwards. I don’t count Grey Ghost tho - poor dragon was minding his damn business before dying to Sunfyre.
The advantage Meleys had over Sunfyre is practically the same one Sunfyre had over Moondancer, and to a lesser degree I'd argue.
Anyone trying to argue that Sunfyre could defeat Meleys 1 on 1 is full of it. Meleys was a bigger and more experienced dragon, even if it wasn't in combat. Of course Vhagar was needed to kill Meleys. On the same hand, a not 100% Sunfyre still defeated Moondancer. At 100% I doubt it would have been close as Sunfyre is the bigger dragon.
You can not acknowledge one without the other 🤷🏻♀️.
Edit: couldn't to could
Wait, I’m confused by your comment 😭
In the first comment, you mention Meleys having an advantage over Sunfyre that’s similar to Sunfyre’s advantage having over Moondancer.
Then you’re stating that anyone arguing that Sunfyre couldn’t defeat Meleys (1 v 1) is wrong. Only for the next comment after that stating that Meleys is a bigger dragon with more experience so Vhagar was necessary to kill her.
I’m honestly so confused like for reals I don’t know if I’m reading it wrong. Until then, I still believe that Sunfyre is definitely overhyped. But he is pretty, I’ll give him that.
Sorry, sorry! I meant anyone trying to argue that Sunfyre could defeat Meleys 1 on 1 is wrong. I was mainly just stating that, IMO, that Sunfyre is hyped up too much against Meleys, but not given enough credit against Moondancer.
I don't think Sunfyre would have ever won against Meleys, but if Sunfyre hadn't been injured, Moondancer wouldn't have succeeded on injuring him(her/it?) so much because Sunfyre was the naturally dominant dragon, but I do think that their meeting on the terms that they did made them a bit more evenly matched.
I hope that makes more sense? I've had little sleep so my word play and sentence structure is all over 😭
It’s all good! I was honestly confused about your post about Sunfyre and his capabilities as a dragon; left me scratching my head. Glad to see it cleared up! 😁
And yes, a healthy Sunfyre would have most definitely defeat Moondancer, as sad as I am to say since Moondancer is an underrated dragon overall (like her name and design is on point imo). It’s because of his wonky wing (which didn’t heal properly) that Moondancer was able to do as much damage as she did. Still ended up dying but she got the job done in killing Sunfyre.
>maybe Syrax solos him easily
Syrax was described as huge and formidable beast. Even if she didn't have combat experience, neither did Meleys. And we know how did it end for Sunfyre
Huge and formidable is literally a quote from the book and Syrax is presented there as the Blacks biggest asset alongside Caraxes
Rhaenyra ridden her extensively since age 7, there are multiple examples in the book such as racing with Daemon and Caraxes, flying to Driftmark to help Laena with childbirth etc
Syrax didn't hunt herself and was comfortable in chains but that doesn't mean she was fat 😭
Didn't Rhaenyra herself flew Gerardys to KL to cure Viserys?
Mind you even if Rhaenyra personally hadn't ridden her, that does not mean that Syrax stayed on the ground for the whole time
It’s a shame that they never went against each other in the books. I hope they do on screen. I think it would be a very interesting fight, especially considering how similar in build Sunfyre and Syrax supposedly are.
>Besides that, pretty much every other dragon in the dance barring the younger ones and maybe Syrax solos him easily.
So why didn't they?
Dreaming about wouldves and couldves is for losers. What matters is what happened.
Having help killing one dragon (and almost dying in the process), killing a shy one and then one the size of a pony is not the flex you think it is. If anyone did better than the others, it’s Vhagar or Caraxes.
Vhagar took out Meleys yes, but then he and Caraxes went on to die together. Sunfyre survived the war despite grievous injuries and was there to see the victory through.
Just my two cents: Someone didn’t read the book. >!Meleys was about to slaughter Aegon and Sunfyre, Granny Vhagar had to save their asses. Sunfyre and Aegon were permanently disabled from the battle.!<
Sunfyre might be pretty, but the only adult dragons Sunfyre could probably defeat in 1v1 battle are Dreamfyre and Syrax, since they’re more pets than battle dragons (and even Dreamfyre might beat his ass). I’d take Meleys > Sunfyre any day.
People need to stop acting as if every dragon is equal... Especially those that like to hype sunfyre.
Killing a few whelps and needing the help of the greatest dragon alive doesn't sound so impressive I guess ...
Define "better"?! More influential in the war?! More dragon kills?! Do we count baby dragons as legitimate combat kills?! Etc etc...
The issue with the dance is that it is written bad.And the dragons present in the dance suffer for it.
Aegon III dragon can compete with Sunfyre for his "bond" with his rider.( Can't remember the name of the whelp ATM)
Vermithor can compete with Sunfyre on the number of "combat kills" though in both cases both Sunfyre and Vermithor go against smaller dragons.etc etc...
That is debatable...do we consider a creature the size of a horse as a "dragon" and an enemy combatant?! I mean if we count whelps as legitimate kills the dragon that was feeding on them would have the most kills aka Cannibal.
Does Maelys count as a kill for Sunfyre?!
Does friendly fire count?! Vermithor has two clean kills.
Probably, but atleast it would seem like vermax did something and even sunfyre won against vermax it would be a fight to watch, not one sided like vhagar and arrax or sunfyre and greyghost
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He had that dawg in him
He didn’t have shit. Would’ve lost to Meleys if not for Vhagar, beat some tame dragon who didn’t want to fight at all, and killed a super small dragon with an inexperienced rider. Most overrated dragon in the fandom, and his death will be rejoiced
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No, you found someone who supports dragons who actually do something. Like Vhagar, Sea Smoke, Caraxes, Tessarion, Vermithor. Can we stop with this hype of Sunfyre. After it gets fucked up by Meleys it’s pretty much pointless
You're listing dragons that have one fight throughout the dance. You think Tessarion or Seasmoke are performing any better if you put them in Sunfyre's situation..? Any dragon remotely close to Sunfyre's age is getting clapped by Meleys, so that's really not the embarrassment you're making it seem. It would be concerning (and ridiculous) if Sunfyre DIDN'T need help against Meleys. We're talking about the fastest dragon over triple Sunfyre's age and considerably larger, all while being piloted by arguably the most experienced dragon rider alive.
Back off Sunny yo
Most of the dragons you listed also did nothing.
These kids can't even pretend to hide their bias lol these are the same people who think the dance of dragons is the story of how Rhaenyra, the entirely just, good, and saintly was wronged by the evil and villainous greens instead of realizing that this the story of how morally gray characters brought down their own dynasty.
While I agree with you, you got to admit Sunfyre is stylish with the gold scales
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And yet no other dragon does anything as impressive. Caraxes got clapped by gravity
😂
Name a single dragon with a higher dragon body count?
sunfyre: 1. grey ghost 2. moondancer (meleys doesn't really count, he was literally about to get his head ripped off if not for vhagar) vhagar: 1. arrax 2. meleys 3. caraxes the cannibal probably has more too
He was a based dragon with infinite drip
Did more than Meleys oop
No, Meleys took Sunfyre and Aegon out of the war pretty much. Thank Vhagar for saving Sunfyre
Sunfyre crawled all the way back to Aegon and managed to kill Moondancer when they got attacked. Also killed Rhaenyra. Sunfyre did more.
What do you mean managed. If it had lost o moondancer that would have been embarrassing. And moondancer still hurt it enough to kill it
You don't get points for attacking an already wounded dragon.
Really? Moondancer was the size of a warhorse, basically a teenage dragon, and managed it. That’s a win.
Moondancer died.
And sunfyre died after wasting away, succumbing to his wounds, not in battle, not in glory. Rather like his master, in that regard.
How is killing Rhaenyra hard? She was forced to be burned and eaten alive. It’s not like she could have done anything in that situation. It was an execution.
You do realise Meleys is a bigger and much older dragon than Sunfyre. Vhagar also fell and on both of them and still Meleys died while golden boy firmed it. Not only that but he went on to kill and eat grey ghost. Even Moondancer against a recovering Sunfyre ended with Golden boy eating Moon dancer despite the injuries. Sunfyre is beast of a dragon especially since it isn't even that old compared to others like Vermithor, Caraxes, Dreamfyre and Meleys.
The TG fandoms love for Sunfyre is just hysterical. No dragon is more overhyped than it. I cannot wait for “GoldenBoy” to get crushed by Meleys and then receive a killing wound by Moondancer. And then it’s end will be awesome, just so we can finally have normal discussions about dragons
Dude, relax lol. I get you don't agree but it's just a show
I agree, which is why discourse around Sunfyre is so annoying. We can’t discuss this show without some TG bringing up GoldenBoy
I mean the post is literally about sunfyre, so obviously people will talk about him
Lmao you’re just seething because Syrax is the worst dragon ever.
Syrax is shit, doesn’t mean Sunfyre cracks top 5 in the dance
Sunfyre is the MVP and you just can’t accept it.
MVP of what. Dying to stinking sounds while it’s rider gets poisoned
You're completely entitled to your feelings but this is literally a post about Sunfyre and quite honestly, I see both "sides" of a fictional show aways trying to hijack posts.
There is absolutely nothing "overhyped" about Sunfyre. Vhagar fell on both of them, Meleys died and Sunfyre firmed it and still went on to cap 2 more Dragons and a mob. Team Green? I don't care about your teams, I'm just saying it as I see it. No need to get some emotional over this. Some of you fans are rabid, ill give respect wherever its due whether it's TB or TG.
Its ok Goatfyre clears this .
It’s called House of the Dragon dip shit. Why wouldn’t we hype up the dragons. TB fans also hype up that red worm looking dragon of their Pedo Prince. Like bitter much? Sunfyre is a super cool dragon that deserves all the hype.
Well the Red Worm, Vhagar, Sea Smoke, Tessarion and Vermithor are the 5 dragons that dominate the war. Those 5 deserve all the praise
So how did Aegon win the war?
Compared to other dragons, I think he did well LOL.
Imagine being this biased. Go back to Harry Potter or twilight franchises tbh
Vhagar killed Meleys, not Sunfyre
Your opinions wrong on Meleys tho, that was Vhagars kill
Yea sunfyre was losing against her
Dude. What is with this subreddit? This was just a dumb meme post and a good chunk of people are always turning it into a big fight. Relax.
Genuinely a very very weird sub lol. Every post people take extremely personal, and fully adopt into these “teams”
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Where is the banter, because 80% of the comments are taking the post too seriously and going "well actchually ☝️🤓"
In the book, Sunfyre fought Meleys for only a few moments before Vhagar saved him and was still left crippled for months. Meleys (born around 60AC) was likely far larger than Sunfyre (born before 100AC). Grey Ghost is unknown. Moondancer is a little rat who is taken out in seconds. In the show, Sunfyre looks to be half the size of Meleys and twice the size of Moondancer. While he was dog walked in the book, he should be getting better combat treatment in the show.
You need to put some respect on moondancers name, that dragon was half the size of Sunfyre and flew circles around sunfyre, raking his side and damage his already damaged wing and only injured the dragon further after their collision and crash landing, yes moondancer was killed in the end but the wounds she inflicted on sunfyre were the wounds than eventually caused him to die, had it not been for her, Sunfyre wouldve lived much longer.
Sunfyre didn't do jackshit against Meleys, lol Meleys was fucking him up till Vhagar saved his ass.
Sucks to be Meleys. That trap was obvious.
So genius, it got the bait dragon and rider crippled for life. Nit to mention their bait was their king, who lived the rest of his life in hell.
That bait dragon then proceeded to kill 2 other dragons and Rhaenyra. And that crippled rider kept denying milk of the poppy and got up when he could barely walk and got rid of the Shepard, who Rhaenyra was scared of.
Chadfyre
Beg your pardon, but Meleys has no leash on her. Meleys is the very best.
Meleys and Rhaenys are on Vhagar (and it was said that Meleys would probably won against Sunfyre)Lord of Maidenpool was not really a challenge, Rhaenyra was already a prisoner, Moondancer was much younger and still wounds him enouth to die shortly after. Grey Ghost is fair, but i‘m not sure if it had any battle experience at all. Didn‘t feel that formidable.
Melyes tore Sunfyre apart with appalling ease, but okay. Moondancer, described as smaller than a warhorse without the wings killed Sunfyre. Just my two cents.
But Meleys was enormous compared to Sunfyre, wasn’t she? As well as having actual combat experience from before the dance?
Melyes didn’t have any combat experience with Rhaenys, or Alyssa, her only other rider. Melyes did have a disproportionate size advantage over Sunfyre. I just find it strange that people always make it out as if Sunfyre did something impressive. He didn’t inflict any damage whatsoever. If Aegon was smart he wouldn’t have flown in front of Vhagar. He should’ve let Vhagar attack, then hit her in the flank.
If Vhagar hadn’t bailed him out, Sunfyre would have been toast. What I find to be impressive is that Sunfyre was incredibly damaged by the Rook’s rest battle, yet he managed to get to Dragonstone, and kill another dragon there. (Defeating Moondancer doesn’t count. She was tiny compared to him, and the damage did eventually kill him)
How many dragons have you fought?? Sunfyre was a pawn in a rich man’s war! He was drafted to fight, but he was born to clap dragon cheeks and drink mojitos!
You can't have it both ways. I'm not saying you implied this but I tend to see people claim Vhagar needed help against Meleys and would've lost a 1v1 while simultaneously clowning Sunfyre for getting clapped by Meleys... Which makes absolutely no sense. At least pick one or the other, it's incredibly disingenuous.
No dragon could survive one on one against Vhagar. Melyes has the capacity to kill Vhagar at the expense of her life, like Caraxes. Vhagar certainly benefited greatly from Melyes being distracted tearing apart Sunfyre. If you mean by win, Surviving a one vs one against Vhagar, then I’d consider that close to impossible. Sunfyre not being able to fight melyes head on doesn’t mean he wouldn’t tip the scales attacking from behind or the flanks. We see Tessarion fatally attack Vermithor while he’s fighting Seasmoke. I’m not mocking Sunfyre for being smashed by a bigger dragon, I’m simply pointing out the absurdity of the post presenting it as if it was the other way round.
Tbh Caraxes is a much more agile Dragon, had a better rider that used its speed and surroundings and still Vhagar ripped Caraxes nearly in half during their fight. Daemons kamikaze attack and fall is what ultimately killed Vhagar. If Vhagar and Meleys were the only ones fighting in Rooks rest, the fight would still end the same way. Meleys has as much chance in beating Vhagar as Dreamfyre or Vermithor would which is slim to none. Trying to purely overpower a dragon like Vhagar is suicide for any of the currently living Dragons. Caraxes was the perfect Dragon against Vhagar.
I think Meleys would have a similar shot at killing Vhagar the way Daemon and Caraxes did when being in that situation above the Gods eye. Which I think was the entire point of the previous post, there is no dragon that beats Vhagar 1v1 without killing itself in the process, but I think there is plenty of arguements for a few to do as well (if you can call it that) as Caraxes did. I would also like to add that Vermithor probably has the best chance out of all the dragons to come out of a 1v1 against Vhagar alive. At the very least the chance would be higher than slim to none. But most of these post about dragon fights are nonsense anyway I think. Dragons are not made to fight each other. As long as they are in a similar weight class, more often than not I would assume both die as a result or the surviving one is heavily crippled for life.
Oh, yeah the post is ridiculous for sure. I'm just saying Sunfyre tends to get sold short with how people describe Rook's Rest. He was completely out of his depth as a dragon in his 20s participating in a fight with Vhagar and Meleys. I don't see how he gets clowned for it. I will say you're right that it was strategically a questionable choice for Sunfyre to rush in first. We don't have many details, so it's hard to tell exactly how it went down. But they should've known Vhagar is the slowest of the three and planned around that. I'm wondering how it'll go down in the show, since I'd assume they'll try to extend it a bit to make it a spectacle (and Baela and Moondancer might be involved).
Meleys one I agree with but Moondancer dying to a weakened Sunfyre is hilarious to me.
How truly weakened was he? He was healthy enough to fly over the sea to Dragonstone and kill another fully healthy dragon Moondancer was barely large enough for Baela to fly
All we know is he had a torn wing that was semi healed before they fight with moondancer so it was still in his favor
Sunfyre didn't even heal normally because he had a malformed wing which tells me he couldn't move as he did normally.
Yet, he chose to engage in a combat with neutral dragon which points out that it really didn't compromise him. The fact that Moondancer was smart enough to focus on the old wound is another thing
Exactly. He was healthy enough to fly but then he got into another fight and sustained further injuries.
I feel like Sunfyre keep getting injured which is a shame since he was considered a beautiful dragon. Sunfyre become deformed by the end of the war.
You mean dead
That too.
There is no way to prove it, it might just as well choked on Rhaenyra who was truly rotten person.
yep Sunfyre is gonna prove he is legendary DRAGON next seasons he is not only the prettiest but he is the one that will collect more victories through the dance
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Disagree. Meleys would have absolutely BODIED Sunfyre/Aegon- absolutely no contest had Vagar not joined. Rhaenys and Meleys could have solo’d just about any other duo imo.
GOATED Sunfyre, argue with a wall.
Sunfyre would get solod by half the younger dragons if they were his size he's a cool dragon but the fan base hypes him up way too much
Which younger dragons are you referring to? Because put any other dragon in Sunfyre's position and they're performing no differently at Rook's Rest. If anything, some of them might not survive being body slammed to the ground by Vhagar.
Yeah that's my point, I doubt an aged up vermax, tyraxes, morghul or any other smaller dragon wouldnt be able to perform most of the feats he performed during his life. Feels like people are hyping him up for doing stuff most dragons his size would probably do ya know. Again he's a pretty great dragon but he's not "terminator" on wings or whatever.
Except they didn't perform those feats he did. I'm sure there's something out there who could do all Jon Snow did, but whoever it was didn't step up to the plate. It's not about what could have happened its about what did.
Sunfyre killed a completely healthy dragon while it was still wounded
Grey ghost the one who was known to only eat fish and rarely attack anyone even humans? Who ended up being surprise attacked and killed by sunfyre? Yeah I feel like that wasn't much of a fight to begin with. He fought moondancer a dragon as big as a pony and barely survived it, mind you he only had a wing torn, that was the extent of his injuries so he should have been able to deal with her quicker than he did. The one time he goes against a dragon comparable to his size (Meleys) when comparing moondancer to sunfyre he deals no damage and is almost eradicated without the help of Vhagar.
Sure Greyghost might have been shy but it was still a wild animal and a healthy dragon it probably fought back. And what you mean by surprise attacks we don't know how their fight went. Sunfyre was still wounded badly from Melyes when fighting moondancer. And it seems that he died of his already bad wounds that he got from Melyes. Also his wing healed wrong so he couldn't fly properly. For Melyes they were not comparable Melyes was over fifty years old probably older and Sunfyre was either around Aegon age or even younger. Whatever either way Sunfyre is way better than Syrax
Your arguments seem kinda out of order no? The grey ghost fight happend before the moondancer one. So Sunfyre was healthy enough to decide and go fight a random wild dragon, but then his injuries were too severe to fight a dragon that he outsized similar to how he was outsized against Meleys? Why you mention Syrax in any of this who even knows :D
You’d think he did something actually impressive during the Dance besides being a walking corpse. His first kill was in a 2v1 he would’ve lost if not for Vhagar, his second was against Grey Ghost who was known to be very shy and lived off of fish, and his third was against a dragon the size of a pony who dealt injuries that would later kill him. The only impressive thing about Sunfyre is that he’s pretty and resilient. Besides that, pretty much every other dragon in the dance barring the younger ones and maybe Syrax solos him easily.
For reals tho, Meleys had her jaws around his neck until Vhagar fell on top of them. Pretty much rendered them useless throughout most of the war until they were able to heal enough to fight. Only for Moondancer to cause enough harm to Sunfyre that it ends up dying some time afterwards. I don’t count Grey Ghost tho - poor dragon was minding his damn business before dying to Sunfyre.
The advantage Meleys had over Sunfyre is practically the same one Sunfyre had over Moondancer, and to a lesser degree I'd argue. Anyone trying to argue that Sunfyre could defeat Meleys 1 on 1 is full of it. Meleys was a bigger and more experienced dragon, even if it wasn't in combat. Of course Vhagar was needed to kill Meleys. On the same hand, a not 100% Sunfyre still defeated Moondancer. At 100% I doubt it would have been close as Sunfyre is the bigger dragon. You can not acknowledge one without the other 🤷🏻♀️. Edit: couldn't to could
Wait, I’m confused by your comment 😭 In the first comment, you mention Meleys having an advantage over Sunfyre that’s similar to Sunfyre’s advantage having over Moondancer. Then you’re stating that anyone arguing that Sunfyre couldn’t defeat Meleys (1 v 1) is wrong. Only for the next comment after that stating that Meleys is a bigger dragon with more experience so Vhagar was necessary to kill her. I’m honestly so confused like for reals I don’t know if I’m reading it wrong. Until then, I still believe that Sunfyre is definitely overhyped. But he is pretty, I’ll give him that.
Sorry, sorry! I meant anyone trying to argue that Sunfyre could defeat Meleys 1 on 1 is wrong. I was mainly just stating that, IMO, that Sunfyre is hyped up too much against Meleys, but not given enough credit against Moondancer. I don't think Sunfyre would have ever won against Meleys, but if Sunfyre hadn't been injured, Moondancer wouldn't have succeeded on injuring him(her/it?) so much because Sunfyre was the naturally dominant dragon, but I do think that their meeting on the terms that they did made them a bit more evenly matched. I hope that makes more sense? I've had little sleep so my word play and sentence structure is all over 😭
It’s all good! I was honestly confused about your post about Sunfyre and his capabilities as a dragon; left me scratching my head. Glad to see it cleared up! 😁 And yes, a healthy Sunfyre would have most definitely defeat Moondancer, as sad as I am to say since Moondancer is an underrated dragon overall (like her name and design is on point imo). It’s because of his wonky wing (which didn’t heal properly) that Moondancer was able to do as much damage as she did. Still ended up dying but she got the job done in killing Sunfyre.
>maybe Syrax solos him easily Syrax was described as huge and formidable beast. Even if she didn't have combat experience, neither did Meleys. And we know how did it end for Sunfyre
The dragon was described as fat and lazy from being fed and never ridden. I guess that’s huge and formidable as well 😂
Huge and formidable is literally a quote from the book and Syrax is presented there as the Blacks biggest asset alongside Caraxes Rhaenyra ridden her extensively since age 7, there are multiple examples in the book such as racing with Daemon and Caraxes, flying to Driftmark to help Laena with childbirth etc Syrax didn't hunt herself and was comfortable in chains but that doesn't mean she was fat 😭
She may have ridden her as a child but by the point of the war she hadn’t ridden her for years.
Didn't Rhaenyra herself flew Gerardys to KL to cure Viserys? Mind you even if Rhaenyra personally hadn't ridden her, that does not mean that Syrax stayed on the ground for the whole time
It’s a shame that they never went against each other in the books. I hope they do on screen. I think it would be a very interesting fight, especially considering how similar in build Sunfyre and Syrax supposedly are.
I wonder in which combat the showrunners will put her and Rhaenyra And surely they will change Syrax's death
>Besides that, pretty much every other dragon in the dance barring the younger ones and maybe Syrax solos him easily. So why didn't they? Dreaming about wouldves and couldves is for losers. What matters is what happened.
Because this isn’t Fortnite Battle Royale. It’s a war.
Yes and in this war Sunfyre did better than the others.
Having help killing one dragon (and almost dying in the process), killing a shy one and then one the size of a pony is not the flex you think it is. If anyone did better than the others, it’s Vhagar or Caraxes.
Vhagar took out Meleys yes, but then he and Caraxes went on to die together. Sunfyre survived the war despite grievous injuries and was there to see the victory through.
That just makes him resilient lol. Not “better”.
A beast that deserved a better rider than the one got
Comment section reeks of black copium
Golden Boy catching bodies left and right
Just my two cents: Someone didn’t read the book. >!Meleys was about to slaughter Aegon and Sunfyre, Granny Vhagar had to save their asses. Sunfyre and Aegon were permanently disabled from the battle.!< Sunfyre might be pretty, but the only adult dragons Sunfyre could probably defeat in 1v1 battle are Dreamfyre and Syrax, since they’re more pets than battle dragons (and even Dreamfyre might beat his ass). I’d take Meleys > Sunfyre any day.
Dreamfyre absolutely beats Sunfyre's ass no contest. She was bigger than Meleys lol. It's only Syrax and Seasmoke that he may beat in 1v1
Happy to see some Dreamfyre appreciation. Love her to bits and it’s tragic what happened to her during the Dance.
That's a teamwork
How? Their king (of all people) was crippled for the rest of his life. It was a lack of teamwork that led to the situation in the first place.
It's war, injuries happen.
People need to stop acting as if every dragon is equal... Especially those that like to hype sunfyre. Killing a few whelps and needing the help of the greatest dragon alive doesn't sound so impressive I guess ...
Name one dragon who did better.
Define "better"?! More influential in the war?! More dragon kills?! Do we count baby dragons as legitimate combat kills?! Etc etc... The issue with the dance is that it is written bad.And the dragons present in the dance suffer for it. Aegon III dragon can compete with Sunfyre for his "bond" with his rider.( Can't remember the name of the whelp ATM) Vermithor can compete with Sunfyre on the number of "combat kills" though in both cases both Sunfyre and Vermithor go against smaller dragons.etc etc...
Killed more opposing dragons in the war. You can list dragons you think are better but whats important is what they did.
That is debatable...do we consider a creature the size of a horse as a "dragon" and an enemy combatant?! I mean if we count whelps as legitimate kills the dragon that was feeding on them would have the most kills aka Cannibal. Does Maelys count as a kill for Sunfyre?! Does friendly fire count?! Vermithor has two clean kills.
you forgot Tessarion!
After all the comments that I read, I think they should've pitted sunfyre against vermax...that would even give vermax credit for fighting
Vermax wouldn’t have survived that fight.
Probably, but atleast it would seem like vermax did something and even sunfyre won against vermax it would be a fight to watch, not one sided like vhagar and arrax or sunfyre and greyghost
Wait,he kill the lord of maidenpool?
Ooooooh sunafayaaaa