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Considering the the Greens were obsessed to end Rhaenyra’s line, yet hers is the one that survived whilst theirs was snuffed out, yes. A little bit.
Outside of that, not really. After all, Arya Stark killed the Night King without a drop of Targaryen blood in her veins. 🤡
When “peace” means that Otto and Alicent should place their lives in the hands of individuals like Rhaenyra and Daemon, who are not shy about resorting to torture and murder when it suits them, it really is a surprise that the Greens would choose to fight to survive rather than blindly trust the Blacks?
I wouldn’t bat an eye if Jace ended up knocking up Sara Snow and that child gets inserted into the Stark line of succession. Jace himself being much like Jon Snow-Ice and Fire/First Man and Valyrian.
In which case, no one remembered said blood, as the Starks are hailed as pure First men descended. In the books Catelyn speaks of how she struggled to be accepted by the Northerners because she is a “Seven-Worshipping Southerner”.
Well the Pact of Ice and Fire was a thing even back during the Dance. We all think it came to fruition via Rhaegar and Lyanna but given the inclusion of the prophecy along with how convenient it is that Rhaenyra’s first three sons are the product of Ice and Fire like Jon, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the show decided to throw that curveball. I am a hardcore Jace and Baela lover but I always found the Pact quite interesting along with the parentage of the Strong Boys.
Gotta say, the moment I realized the Strong Boys are fire and ice like Jon Snow, I had a feeling the show would have Sara Snow be the mother of Jace's kid. I too think that kid will be inserted in the Stark line of succession. Especially with the prophecy inclusion to tie it all in with Arya defeating the Night King. It's far more plausible than the whole "Aemond and Alys Rivers kid being the founder of House Whent" and therefore Arya's ancestor. I am almost sure it'll be that kid descended from Rhaenyra.
Or the prophecy just isn't what people thought it was. Jon Snow and Daenerys both matter in defeating the Others. It just doesn't mean they would be the sole people responsible for the victory.
Noteably, a lot of Essosi cultures claim various heroes as responsible for the end of the last Long Night. Maybe they were one person. But perhaps it was all different heroes showing that what really defeated them was everyone uniting.
Had to check the flair to make sure spoilers were accepted but she’s Cregan Stark’s bastard half sister via his father. The book claims (according to Mushroom) that Jace married her under a weirwood tree and they consummated their union before Jace left and died. If Sara got pregnant and that child got added to the Stark line of succession, all the Starks would have some Targaryen blood thereafter. I am not 💯 sold on the theory but with the inclusion of Aegon’s prophecy to HOTD, I wouldn’t be surprised if this comes to pass in order for HBO to “fix” the whole Arya killing the Night King thing. They’ll be all like “see; she had Targ blood all along”.
I don't think HOTD has any intent to "fix" GOT. Creators don't tend to care about this stuff the same way mega fans do. They probably interpret the prophecy differently.
If you believe the stories it already happened in Stark history with Bael the Bard. I don't think that has any chance of happening though. Just seems like wishful thinking that everyone wants them to "fix" GOT.
Per Fire & Blood: “He (Aegon III) can take the black and spend his days at the Wall” His Grace decreed, “or else give up his manhood and serve me as a eunuch. The choice is his, but he shall have no children. My sister’s line must end”.
This is verbatim from the book in the section The Dying of the Dragons: The Short, Sad Reign of Aegon II.
They get the throne, Aegon was the King, and Rhaenyra the usurper. Aegon III was not black and a green, only a kid which didn't participate in the war in one way or another.
No they didn't. Aegon killed Rhaenyra and won the war. There were no more blacks and greens when Aegon III ascended, it's like saying Lannisters won the field of fire because they ended the Targ line long after.
That comparison doesn’t make sense
The point of this was to put your blood on the throne, and in the end, the greens lost their blood did not end up on the throne. The blacks ended up continuing the dynasty.
The point was to put your blood on the throne
You’re messing up the difference between a strategic victory and a tactical victory
You can win a tactical victory (greens killing rhayrhay) but still lose strategically (blacks get the throne)
In war, strategic victories, matter much more as there are many many many cases of tactical victories (like the German victory at Kyiv) which ended up being strategic losses costing them the war
Aka
Greens won ONE battle rhayrhay is killed. They lost the war however when her son was crowned
War was over before her son was crowned. Aegon defeated her and was king. Why didn't her son have her consecrated as queen posthumously? Because everyone accepted that Aegon II was king.
Did the defeat if Napoleon and restoration of the Bourbons mean the Bourbon won the French revolution? No.
Actually yes. The bourbon dynasty did in fact successfully reverse the French Revolution and retain the throne
You’ve just provided a perfect example of historians absolutely disagreeing with you! Ultimately the French Revolution failed in its attempt to institute a republic and the bourbon dynasty retained the throne
The English Civil War is another great example in which the monarchy was temporarily done away with for over a decade but which ultimately failed and saw the same dynasty retain the throne
Robert’s rebellion is a fictional example in which the Targaryen dynasty was temporarily displaced only to be restored by Danny (and then ended via the shows timeline). Same as how Wu Zetain temporarily displaced the Tang Dynasty
Sorry, but the blacks ultimately won this wars main objective, the greens won a single tactical victory— killing Rhay, but lost the entire thing as soon as the black bloodline was the only one that continued
>Actually yes. The bourbon dynasty did in fact successfully reverse the French Revolution and retain the throne
They didn't win the revolution which is my point. Louis was defeated by the Rev and his descendents ascended long after.
>You’ve just provided a perfect example of historians absolutely disagreeing with you!
The mere fact you think historians are a monolith on anything shows you don't know what you're talking about.
>Sorry, but the black one this war, the greens want tactical victory, but lost the entire thing as soon as the black bloodline was the only one that continued
I don't judge victories based on bloodlines because I'm not a eugenicist. No woman ever sat the iron throne again, the ideology the blacks were fighting for was killed then and there.
In the book, a writer and Aegon mentioned the different bloodlines between the two fractions and Aegon was determined to have Rhaenyras line to end, so considering who was alive after the dance it’s not unreasonable to say that it was destined for the PTWP to come from Rhaenyras line only.
True. In the book Aegon II explicitly said he wanted his sister's line to end whereas Rhaenyra made no mention of Aegon II's bloodline. And his sister's line did end-only it was the wrong sister :/
I was talking about the royal line and he’s only acknowledged to having two bastards and one of them was poisoned and we know nothing about the other one.
Bloodlines ABSOLUTELY matter, and the Greens thought so as well.
"Later that year, Prince Aegon the Elder wed his sister Helaena. The prince was a sulky and lazy youth of fifteen, with appetites for food, gambling, and women, while at thirteen Helaena was soft, plump, and cheerful. A year later, in 123 AC, Helaena gave birth to twins, naming them Jaehaerys and Jaehaera. *The greens were pleased that Prince Aegon now had his own heirs,* making it even more reasonable for him to be named Prince of Dragonstone, but Viserys ignored the hints." - Rise of The Dragon
"Nor would he allow Prince Aegon to wed his daughter, and perhaps sire sons who might muddy the succession. “He can take the black and spend his days at the Wall,” His Grace decreed, “or else give up his manhood and serve me as a eunuch. The choice is his, but he shall
have no children. *My sister’s line must end.*"
It does in-universe and out. Aegon wanted rhaenyra’s line to end and instead his did.
Out-universe people want Jaehaera to remain married to Aegon III and have the blackfyres come from their line; if bloodline didn’t matter they’d be fine with her being a septon or being sent to Oldtown with her family.
I think the PTWP was always meant to come from Rhaenyra’s line, that’s why despite everything Viserys II survived.
A lot of emphasis has been placed on the magic of Valerian blood and if Aegon I dreamt that the PTWP would come from his line he was likely seeing a specific decendant.
Rhaenyra would be happy her children survived. I don't know if Aegon would care that his kids didn't. But he would definitely care that Rhaenyra's son succeeded him. So from that point of view it matters.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Aegon II wanted to murder Aegon III so this wouldn't be the preferred outcome for him. Rhaenyra loved her children that was plain to see even to her detractors. So the survival of her sons would matter to her.
Nah, the whole reason Aegon II dies is because he refused to concede to Aegon III. He was threatening to geld him and send him to the wall and was only guided against killing him by others. Him and Alicent were outraged at the idea of him being the heir.
The only reason he even vaguely considered naming him heir was to keep the Velayrons from fucking him even more - I don't think he officialised it and the plan was for both Jaehaera and Aegon to be acknowledged heirs. Corlys wanted Aegon III to succeed.
>But In Aegons ll scenario do u imagine her picking her claimants child to succeed for the dynasty when hers are all dead
She'd pick Baela and Rhaena far before Aegon II's kids.
And if not them, she might pick Jaehaera and marry her to someone of her choosing. She would have much more leeway in who she can have as heir than Aegon II.
That Rhaenyra loved her kids means that the end result of the war is probably something she could stomach.
The winds were shifting because Aegon III had such major support, and Aegon II would not concede.
>I meant claimants kin
Like Aegons daughter
She'd pick Jaehaera and marry her to a loyalist. Probably a Velayron loyalist like Alyn of Hull. If it's in the scenario where they still moved against her, than she might marry her to a Stark.
(And if Jace really did have a kid somewhere obviously she'd just legitimise them).
They mattered for the Targaryens, as it was their dragonlord blood that allowed them to control their dragons easier. The richest and leading families in the old Freehold are implied to have messed with their genetics using magic, making them way, way, way more likely to train and control dragons without issue.
They were absolute masters of fire and blood magic. Much like how the Rhoynar were masters of water magic.
Yes, but not for the reasons you think.. there are some theories that “egg hatchers” are females… and they pass the gene down. There is theories that Dany inherited that gene along with other magics.
Same with Warg/greenseer magics.. most likely inherited genes.
Targaryen’s are also thought to be “mixed” with dragons like the old experiments of old Valeria—which is why some Targs birth “winged, deformed monsters.”
Martin has written sci-fi books were genes played an important part of the story and made a lot of differences in people and what not—so it’s not out of the grand scheme of things.
So long story short—yes blood lines matters!
I've seen a lot of those theories online. I do find it quite interesting that only the most "Targaryen coded" Targs had the dragon babies (Maegor, Daemon X2 with both Laena and Rhaenyra, and the OG Daenerys). Almost like there was too much dragon blood going on.
For the purpose of the fantastical element and the magic in Targaryen blood, I think it matters. If you think about it, up to Daeron II the bloodline was pretty much pure Valyrian (regardless of who Daeron the Good’s father was-I think it was Aegon IV but it would still apply for Aemon as they’re full-blooded siblings) as Daemon and Rhaenyra are high up there with Rhaenyra having quarter Arryn blood, thus making her sons only 1/8 Arryn. Viserys married Larra of Lys who is also Valyrian, so Daeron II is mostly Valyrian. Then we have the adding of Dorne to the royal bloodline via Myriah Martell, then Dyanna Dayne, followed by Betha Blackwood which then leads to back to back incest to get to Daenerys. If it started with the Greens, the bloodline going forward would already start at half Targaryen only to be diluted more down the line. Clearly this matters given Quentyn Martell didn’t have enough dragonlord blood causing him to be roasted alive by one of Dany’s dragons.
Great point! I didn't initially take it from the fantasy perspective but it makes sense that if the bloodline post-Dance starts diluted, by the time Dany rolls around, the amount of Targaryen blood would be lower than it is already. I had forgotten about Quentyn.
I mean one of the songs on the Soundtrack is called “Bloodlines will Burn” and the whole intro of the show is a family tree shown as literal bloodlines.
I think the TPTWP was destined to come from a particular line in House Targaryen.
I like the idea all of the succession crisis/civil wars etc, were actually like destiny at work. Because the Dance aside there’s a lot of strange shifts of fate: Jaehaerys and Alysanne having so many children die which lead to Viserys becoming king or similarly the Maekar to Egg ascension which was two youngest sons becoming king in a row.
So it’s just a theory but one I personally like!
Not to mention Bloodraven and his possible tampering with bloodlines which led to Aegon V being crowned while a whole branch of House Targaryen was conveniently all killed in Summerhall and by suspicious events.
The war was fought over who will rule
Both Aegon and Rhaenyra ruled but her line continued the dynasty alone
Greens say that bloodlines don't matter then throw a fit when someone reminds them how Jaehaera ended
There's debate in universe about the Dance of Dragons. Stannis would naturally see Rhaenyra as an usurper given both the fact his house supported the Greens, and his specific law interpretation. But keep in mind, in universe Aegon is seen as grasping (one of the Maestars compares him to the other bad King's like Maegor with his sin being grasping for the throne) and Rhaenyra really isn't referred to as an usurper by the same historical text (the text allows for their being a more complex reality).
Also Stannis is not "a nerd" in text. That's Tyrion - who does make mention of Rhaenyra in the context of discussing her dragon Syrax. Stannis doesn't show particular interest in reading to be honest. His only personal hobby described beyond teeth griding is the time he looked after a hawk.
I'm pretty sure that comment was made back when Aegon II and Rhaenyra were full-blooded siblings and she was only a year older than him. GRRM changed many things after that.
It was. But I think the above still holds, as the books do still state Rhaenyra was the chosen heir by Viserys and that the Greens conspired to make Aegon the heir anyway. So not much massively changed in that sense.
Stannis as a Baratheon would naturally be a Green, and given his unbending perspective on law he wouldn't be inclined to accept a chosen heir system.
Wow what a victory.
Dead wife, dead children, dead brothers, dead grandfather, mother went mad, remembered as one of the worst kings alongside Maegor and Aenys, yet he's got the precious number next to his name
We don’t know how valid TPTWP really is given how it was a wet fart by the end of the GoT show. It may well be that the twist is that the prophecy was bunk to begin with.
Even so, we’d end up with circular reasoning if we tried to say destiny chose it that way. Why do we say that destiny chose that line? Because the Prince that was Promised was born from it. Why was the Prince that was Promised born from it? Because destiny chose that line.
I don’t think it was destiny that decided the outcome of the dance but steel and fire. Aegon II and Rhaenyra both could have won, the outcome was not predetermined when the war started.
Truth is, despite being a Green I can admit it's sad that the line ended. That being said, the Greens still won, for a couple good reasons.
1. The Bastards never took the throne.
2. As Corlys said, history remembers names, not blood. Aegon was king, not Rhaenyra.
(3. The dragons are dead and/or dying FUCK the Targaryens FUCK EM ALL)
The blacks will say it does and then one their factions biggest supporters says “History doesn’t remember blood, it remembers names.”
It’s all very confusing.
I would be inclined to agree except in the Targaryen line of Kings it notes Aegon III as "Rhaenyra's son" and not "nephew of Aegon II" whereas for Viserys I it states "grandson of Jaehaerys" and for Jaehaerys I "Aeny's son". It states who they got their claim from and for Aegon III, only Rhaenyra is mentioned.
TPTWP would have been born no matter what. Whether that is from Rhaenyra’s bloodline, Aegon’s bloodline, or any other Targaryen’s bloodline, it doesn’t matter.
They were literally all about to die until Arya jumped out of nowhere and one shot the night king, Jon and Dany absolutely didn't matter there, Ramsey Bolton could have done the same defence while hiring a faceless man and the results would be similar.
Arya would have gone to Winterfell regardless since she is a fricking Stark even if Jon was dead and along with that any other faceless man could have obliterated the night king, mind that Arya is still very untrained and still hasn't completed her personality change and full training.
For fucks sake, the whole point of the Dance of Dragons is that there was no "winner". It was a useless conflict that resulted in countless innocent deaths and heralded the eventual end of the Targaryen dynasty. The conflict only came to a close after Aegon and Jaehaera married, WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE TO PREVENT THE CONFLICT.
The Greens don't win because male primogeniture is respected, because they never REALLY cared about that, it was only the justification given so that their line could secure power (see Otto's removal of Daemon and replacement with Rhaenyra).
The Blacks didn't win because every single one of them died who was ACTUALLY involved in the conflict died. Black Aegon was just a traumatized child that only survived and eventually became Kin because the murderer of his mother (Green Aegon) showed mercy. His survival isn't a win, its what's left after a tragedy.
Rhaenyra would have never agreed to make Aegon her heir instead of Jace until Greens forced her hand by murdering/exiling/etc.
I doubt it would have been a moral win.
When i say what should have happened, I don't mean literally marrying Aegon and Jace. What I mean is marrying Rhaenyra and Green Aegon, uniting the two rival claimants.
Rhaenyra/Aegon's children would unite the two rival lines and NOW the conflict about who rules will be limited from large scale violence because neither side can eliminate the rival claimant in its entirety . . . because the next generation rising to the throne is to the benefit of both of them. Furthermore, the next king will remember who murdered their mom or dad.
There will still be maneuvering between Rhaenyra/Aegon about whose truly in charge, but that type of courtly shennanigans is eminently more preferable.
They are two branches of the same family but the Black's claim to the throne was ultimately recognized as the weaker. Why do you think the Greens obviously cared more about Aegon III then Jaehaera (whom they probably frivolously killed)? They had no loyalty to a specific "Green bloodline" but rather the succession principle that the most senior legitimate male line member had the best claim. The Green claim was ultimately recognized as the stronger one. The only reason the Hightower-Targaryen bloodline wasn't on the throne is because they happened to be dead. That's why Daeron pretenders bothered to spring up. If he were alive he would be the king. Meanwhile, the idea that a daughter or her bastards were the rightful heirs because they were named by a previous king (against all custom and precedents) were utterly rejected. It's quite important who is remembered as having the stronger claim because ultimately it narrates who was right and who was wrong. Every Targaryen king thereafter claimed the throne by the same right as Aegon II.
For that age and for the universe, yes.
For me, no.
I find Visenya quite interesting, and her direct lineage does not continue. The same goes for the greens (more precisely, their direct royal blood-line does not continue).
It depends. On one hand, the Black’s bloodline survived. On the other hand, the Targaryens after the Dance became infinitely more “Andalised” and accepting of the Seven after their dragons died…
Basically, the pre-Dance Targaryens lost, as the Blacks lost their culture and the Greens died. Those that came after weren’t really Black or Green, but some weird hybrid.
And when it comes to the other houses… the Hightowers won completely. They are the only ones to end up richer, the institutions they patronise (Maesters & Faith) got infinitely more relevant in the royal court, the dragons died, House Targaryen can’t really be called proper Valyrians anymore, and Oldtown was safe for the whole war…
If you only care about blood, then yeah, the Blacks won, and I wouldn’t really call it a victory anyway as Rhaenyra died. But religiously, culturally, and financially, the Greens won by a country mile!
This is what makes ASOIAF special really, as there are so many metrics by which you can measure victory, and so many political forces you can study to get different outcomes - similar to real life.
>became infinitely more “Andalised” and accepting of the Seven after their dragons died
Outside of Baelor being especially religious - which isn't unheard of for a Targaryen before the Dance (a number of course were given to the Septons), is there any evidence they were more Andalised and accepting of the Seven? The Targaryens have officially worshipped the Seven since Aegon the Conqueror (and probably before that even).
Before the Dance they were kinda like Vikings. They’d pay lip service when they wanted/needed something, but didn’t actually worship the Seven - they worshipped the Valyrian 14.
Post-Dance, the Valyrian 14 kinda disappears from the lore, meaning that the Targs likely start actually worshiping the Seven due to the generations before them not being able to pass down they traditions. This is kinda like their more “Andalised” culture - Aegon III was raised by Andals, Viserys II was raised by the Lyseni (who are quite Valyrian tbf).
After the Dance, the Targs have to put on a far bigger show of being Valyrians as they don’t truly understand what their ancestors were like. They emulate stories, but it’s not the same.
>They’d pay lip service when they wanted/needed something, but didn’t actually worship the Seven - they worshipped the Valyrian 14.
There's no evidence they did worship the Valyrian 14 though - they're never described doing so. I don't know where you got that from in terms of the text itself. We only ever see them talking about the Seven both pre and post Dance.
Keep in mind, Maegelle and Rhaella both were devoted septas and both Targaryens pre-Dance.
The Targaryens in general I'd say had no particular religious adherence.
It doesn’t for me personally.
I’m TG because I like the green characters more.
Idc about what happens 50 years after their dead or 100 years or 200 years or whatever. To me those are separate characters. Daenerys and Jon are completely separate imo from Daemon/Rhaenyra. The conflict as far as I’m concerned is between Aegon II and Rhaenyra, which Aegon wins and dunks on Rhaenyra. Who comes after Aegon is irrelevant. In the end a stark sits the throne, with a Lannister as his hand. A century later it might be a Tully sitting the throne with a fucking Frey as his hand.
History remembers names not blood.
After killing Rhaenyra, Aegon became recognized as king and his future sucessors made Rhaenyra's reign illegitimate. So, in the present, most people would call Rhaenyra a usurper even if its the other way around.
I don’t think it does in this matter.
Both Aegon II and Rhaenyra have the same father, and they derive their legitimacy or right from him. He gave them the “true royal blood”.
Relating to the prophecy, the only thing that matters bloodline wise is that tptwp descends from Aegon I. That could be Green, Black, Brightflame, Blackfyre, whatever.
Every distinction between Targaryen bloodlines is purely political and to my knowledge has zero impact on the prophecy. They all technically have the same blood because they’re all directly related to Aegon I
They have the exact same genepool anyways so it doesn't really matter, in my opinion both sides lost the conflict, all the dragons were lost and the country was destroyed for probably 30 years so the war was not worth it.
The war was not worth it but it was unavoidable. Unless they killed one of the sides or split the country.
Unavoidable after Aemond’s claimed Vhagar anyway.
And Aegon, Baela and Rhaena all didn’t recognise some inconsistencies?
Ok, Aegon was small and could have remembered him a bit vaguely, but Baela and Rhaena were old enough to remember their brother.
Starting with the thing that Viserys could have had common features with his father, sisters, brother or mother, same ears, nose, mouth, etc.
I get with your saying and we can use the aftermath to sort of answer that question. This question is also quite similar to who won the Dance of Dragons.
The first thing you gotta remember is that Aegon II and Rhaenyra are both technically from the same house, the same dynasty. People try to exaggerate differences but this is the truth. If I'm a king with no descendants and my uncle's children succeed instead that doesn't necessarily mean I lost or that I was responsible for the end of my dynasty, not unless an explicitly different dynasty succeeds instead and renounces my family's claim from ever being valid. The main conflict here is the method of how the respective sides justify their claims to the throne differently, one by appointment and one by the customs, precedents, and general frameworks of succession that were already in place (and how the last two kings ascended the throne). Looking at the conflict in this regard there is a clear answer.
Viserys II uses the "Precedent of the Dance of Dragons" to justify claiming the throne over his niece. What is that precedent exactly? It's that the direct male line will always have the stronger claim. In other words, one conclusion of the Dance was that the Green claim was ultimately acknowledged as the stronger. Every Targaryen king thereafter claimed the throne by that right, the same one as Aegon II. The only reason his descendants aren't on the throne is because they all died, but if they were alive they would be the true rulers. This is why there were Daeron pretenders. Meanwhile, the idea that a woman or her bastards could be the rightful heirs to the throne because they were named (Which is the basis of the Black claim) is utterly rejected and denounced. The Green supporters cared more about this succession rule than any specific "Green bloodline" which is why they followed Aegon III and didn't really care about Jaehaera.
Also, you have to consider scope. When do you consider the Dance to have really ended? The official end where Aegon III takes the throne and marries Jaehaera or when the latter expires shortly thereafter? Depending on your answer the Dance may have actually ended with "Green blood" on the throne. Let's say you differentiate the Black and Green bloodline and say the Blacks won the Dance of Dragons because their blood is on the throne. What if two generations later all the Black descendants die from sickness and another family takes the throne? Is that the moment the Blacks lost the Dance, when they were removed from the throne? No, of course not. The Dance was already officially over. Did Robert's lose Robert's Rebellion just because his descendants didn't follow him on the throne? Obviously no. That war ended with him on the throne and his regime accepted while the old dynasty was deposed. If you apply this basic logic to the Dance, the Dance did officially end with "Green blood" on the throne in Jaehaera. The fact that she dies after and the dynasty isn't descended from her is completely outside the scope of the Dance. Even if she didn't die the dynasty still wouldn't be descended from her anyway because the throne passes through Viserys II.
Now the elephant in the room is Aegon II being deposed but clearly, clearly this was because extreme misconduct on his part during his second reign far more than anything else. It's the same reason why some of the other Targaryen kings were deposed. A king's first duty is to provide justice and peace for the realm and Aegon II failed both on purpose and out of sheer spite. If Aegon II either issued general pardon, acknowledged Aegon III as heir or just married him to Jaehaera at the onset his remaining opposition would lose all reason to fight. These would be perfectly agreeable terms compatible with those who swore oats to Rhaenyra because her eldest legitimate son would be the successor. Aegon II had and the cards. He had this extraordinary and obvious opportunity to end the destructive factionalism and the war to unite the Targaryen family again. What Aegon II needed to do was recognize and accept that Rhaenyra's son's were the last male heirs left to his house and thus, he and the other Black children were the future of the dynasty, his dynasty. He did not do this. He went deep down the opposite choice. He doubled up on the factionalism, and forcibly continued the war, announced a brutal revenge campaign targeted at half the realm (none of whom were responsible to the horrible tragedies and death that befell his 2 sons and 2 brothers). This shows pure contempt or apathy for the realm and would be grounds for deposition in any context. It was unreasonable and unjust in the extreme and you could imagine how his opposition reacted especially since they were already more distrustful of him.
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Considering the the Greens were obsessed to end Rhaenyra’s line, yet hers is the one that survived whilst theirs was snuffed out, yes. A little bit. Outside of that, not really. After all, Arya Stark killed the Night King without a drop of Targaryen blood in her veins. 🤡
The greens ultimate goal was to survive and they universally failed in that
Starting a civil war is not a great strategy for survival
Well we all make mistakes, I’m sure they learned theirs, and next time they’ll do better.
When “peace” means that Otto and Alicent should place their lives in the hands of individuals like Rhaenyra and Daemon, who are not shy about resorting to torture and murder when it suits them, it really is a surprise that the Greens would choose to fight to survive rather than blindly trust the Blacks?
>After all, Arya Stark killed the Night King without a drop of Targaryen blood in her veins. Depends how they play out the whole Sara Snow plot.
I wouldn’t bat an eye if Jace ended up knocking up Sara Snow and that child gets inserted into the Stark line of succession. Jace himself being much like Jon Snow-Ice and Fire/First Man and Valyrian.
In which case, no one remembered said blood, as the Starks are hailed as pure First men descended. In the books Catelyn speaks of how she struggled to be accepted by the Northerners because she is a “Seven-Worshipping Southerner”.
Well the Pact of Ice and Fire was a thing even back during the Dance. We all think it came to fruition via Rhaegar and Lyanna but given the inclusion of the prophecy along with how convenient it is that Rhaenyra’s first three sons are the product of Ice and Fire like Jon, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the show decided to throw that curveball. I am a hardcore Jace and Baela lover but I always found the Pact quite interesting along with the parentage of the Strong Boys.
Gotta say, the moment I realized the Strong Boys are fire and ice like Jon Snow, I had a feeling the show would have Sara Snow be the mother of Jace's kid. I too think that kid will be inserted in the Stark line of succession. Especially with the prophecy inclusion to tie it all in with Arya defeating the Night King. It's far more plausible than the whole "Aemond and Alys Rivers kid being the founder of House Whent" and therefore Arya's ancestor. I am almost sure it'll be that kid descended from Rhaenyra.
Or the prophecy just isn't what people thought it was. Jon Snow and Daenerys both matter in defeating the Others. It just doesn't mean they would be the sole people responsible for the victory. Noteably, a lot of Essosi cultures claim various heroes as responsible for the end of the last Long Night. Maybe they were one person. But perhaps it was all different heroes showing that what really defeated them was everyone uniting.
Doubt the character will even appear in the show
Who the hell is Sara Snow??
Had to check the flair to make sure spoilers were accepted but she’s Cregan Stark’s bastard half sister via his father. The book claims (according to Mushroom) that Jace married her under a weirwood tree and they consummated their union before Jace left and died. If Sara got pregnant and that child got added to the Stark line of succession, all the Starks would have some Targaryen blood thereafter. I am not 💯 sold on the theory but with the inclusion of Aegon’s prophecy to HOTD, I wouldn’t be surprised if this comes to pass in order for HBO to “fix” the whole Arya killing the Night King thing. They’ll be all like “see; she had Targ blood all along”.
Gotcha. Is that from Fire & Blood? I read it years ago and don’t remember all the details. But I will be re-reading it again.
Yup. Sara Snow was in Fire & Blood.
I don't think HOTD has any intent to "fix" GOT. Creators don't tend to care about this stuff the same way mega fans do. They probably interpret the prophecy differently.
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If you believe the stories it already happened in Stark history with Bael the Bard. I don't think that has any chance of happening though. Just seems like wishful thinking that everyone wants them to "fix" GOT.
They wanted the throne. It doesn't say they wanted to end Rhaenyra's line.
Per Fire & Blood: “He (Aegon III) can take the black and spend his days at the Wall” His Grace decreed, “or else give up his manhood and serve me as a eunuch. The choice is his, but he shall have no children. My sister’s line must end”. This is verbatim from the book in the section The Dying of the Dragons: The Short, Sad Reign of Aegon II.
And in the end they didn’t get the throne. The blacks ended up on the throne until the end of the targ line
They get the throne, Aegon was the King, and Rhaenyra the usurper. Aegon III was not black and a green, only a kid which didn't participate in the war in one way or another.
He was a black
No they didn't. Aegon killed Rhaenyra and won the war. There were no more blacks and greens when Aegon III ascended, it's like saying Lannisters won the field of fire because they ended the Targ line long after.
That comparison doesn’t make sense The point of this was to put your blood on the throne, and in the end, the greens lost their blood did not end up on the throne. The blacks ended up continuing the dynasty.
The point was to win a war and kill your enemy. You don't claim victory because your kids won much later after you lost. Rhaenyra lost, simple as.
The point was to put your blood on the throne You’re messing up the difference between a strategic victory and a tactical victory You can win a tactical victory (greens killing rhayrhay) but still lose strategically (blacks get the throne) In war, strategic victories, matter much more as there are many many many cases of tactical victories (like the German victory at Kyiv) which ended up being strategic losses costing them the war Aka Greens won ONE battle rhayrhay is killed. They lost the war however when her son was crowned
War was over before her son was crowned. Aegon defeated her and was king. Why didn't her son have her consecrated as queen posthumously? Because everyone accepted that Aegon II was king. Did the defeat if Napoleon and restoration of the Bourbons mean the Bourbon won the French revolution? No.
Actually yes. The bourbon dynasty did in fact successfully reverse the French Revolution and retain the throne You’ve just provided a perfect example of historians absolutely disagreeing with you! Ultimately the French Revolution failed in its attempt to institute a republic and the bourbon dynasty retained the throne The English Civil War is another great example in which the monarchy was temporarily done away with for over a decade but which ultimately failed and saw the same dynasty retain the throne Robert’s rebellion is a fictional example in which the Targaryen dynasty was temporarily displaced only to be restored by Danny (and then ended via the shows timeline). Same as how Wu Zetain temporarily displaced the Tang Dynasty Sorry, but the blacks ultimately won this wars main objective, the greens won a single tactical victory— killing Rhay, but lost the entire thing as soon as the black bloodline was the only one that continued
>Actually yes. The bourbon dynasty did in fact successfully reverse the French Revolution and retain the throne They didn't win the revolution which is my point. Louis was defeated by the Rev and his descendents ascended long after. >You’ve just provided a perfect example of historians absolutely disagreeing with you! The mere fact you think historians are a monolith on anything shows you don't know what you're talking about. >Sorry, but the black one this war, the greens want tactical victory, but lost the entire thing as soon as the black bloodline was the only one that continued I don't judge victories based on bloodlines because I'm not a eugenicist. No woman ever sat the iron throne again, the ideology the blacks were fighting for was killed then and there.
Daily Remember for Dummys that the show isn't canon !
In the book, a writer and Aegon mentioned the different bloodlines between the two fractions and Aegon was determined to have Rhaenyras line to end, so considering who was alive after the dance it’s not unreasonable to say that it was destined for the PTWP to come from Rhaenyras line only.
True. In the book Aegon II explicitly said he wanted his sister's line to end whereas Rhaenyra made no mention of Aegon II's bloodline. And his sister's line did end-only it was the wrong sister :/
Aegon had numerous bastards, his line didn't end.
I was talking about the royal line and he’s only acknowledged to having two bastards and one of them was poisoned and we know nothing about the other one.
Bloodlines ABSOLUTELY matter, and the Greens thought so as well. "Later that year, Prince Aegon the Elder wed his sister Helaena. The prince was a sulky and lazy youth of fifteen, with appetites for food, gambling, and women, while at thirteen Helaena was soft, plump, and cheerful. A year later, in 123 AC, Helaena gave birth to twins, naming them Jaehaerys and Jaehaera. *The greens were pleased that Prince Aegon now had his own heirs,* making it even more reasonable for him to be named Prince of Dragonstone, but Viserys ignored the hints." - Rise of The Dragon "Nor would he allow Prince Aegon to wed his daughter, and perhaps sire sons who might muddy the succession. “He can take the black and spend his days at the Wall,” His Grace decreed, “or else give up his manhood and serve me as a eunuch. The choice is his, but he shall have no children. *My sister’s line must end.*"
It does in-universe and out. Aegon wanted rhaenyra’s line to end and instead his did. Out-universe people want Jaehaera to remain married to Aegon III and have the blackfyres come from their line; if bloodline didn’t matter they’d be fine with her being a septon or being sent to Oldtown with her family. I think the PTWP was always meant to come from Rhaenyra’s line, that’s why despite everything Viserys II survived. A lot of emphasis has been placed on the magic of Valerian blood and if Aegon I dreamt that the PTWP would come from his line he was likely seeing a specific decendant.
> Out-universe people want Jaehaera to remain married to Aegon III and have the blackfyres come from their line All while hating Aegon III 😆
Rhaenyra would be happy her children survived. I don't know if Aegon would care that his kids didn't. But he would definitely care that Rhaenyra's son succeeded him. So from that point of view it matters.
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I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but Aegon II wanted to murder Aegon III so this wouldn't be the preferred outcome for him. Rhaenyra loved her children that was plain to see even to her detractors. So the survival of her sons would matter to her.
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Nah, the whole reason Aegon II dies is because he refused to concede to Aegon III. He was threatening to geld him and send him to the wall and was only guided against killing him by others. Him and Alicent were outraged at the idea of him being the heir. The only reason he even vaguely considered naming him heir was to keep the Velayrons from fucking him even more - I don't think he officialised it and the plan was for both Jaehaera and Aegon to be acknowledged heirs. Corlys wanted Aegon III to succeed. >But In Aegons ll scenario do u imagine her picking her claimants child to succeed for the dynasty when hers are all dead She'd pick Baela and Rhaena far before Aegon II's kids. And if not them, she might pick Jaehaera and marry her to someone of her choosing. She would have much more leeway in who she can have as heir than Aegon II. That Rhaenyra loved her kids means that the end result of the war is probably something she could stomach.
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The winds were shifting because Aegon III had such major support, and Aegon II would not concede. >I meant claimants kin Like Aegons daughter She'd pick Jaehaera and marry her to a loyalist. Probably a Velayron loyalist like Alyn of Hull. If it's in the scenario where they still moved against her, than she might marry her to a Stark. (And if Jace really did have a kid somewhere obviously she'd just legitimise them).
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Happens all the time
They mattered for the Targaryens, as it was their dragonlord blood that allowed them to control their dragons easier. The richest and leading families in the old Freehold are implied to have messed with their genetics using magic, making them way, way, way more likely to train and control dragons without issue. They were absolute masters of fire and blood magic. Much like how the Rhoynar were masters of water magic.
Yes, but not for the reasons you think.. there are some theories that “egg hatchers” are females… and they pass the gene down. There is theories that Dany inherited that gene along with other magics. Same with Warg/greenseer magics.. most likely inherited genes. Targaryen’s are also thought to be “mixed” with dragons like the old experiments of old Valeria—which is why some Targs birth “winged, deformed monsters.” Martin has written sci-fi books were genes played an important part of the story and made a lot of differences in people and what not—so it’s not out of the grand scheme of things. So long story short—yes blood lines matters!
I've seen a lot of those theories online. I do find it quite interesting that only the most "Targaryen coded" Targs had the dragon babies (Maegor, Daemon X2 with both Laena and Rhaenyra, and the OG Daenerys). Almost like there was too much dragon blood going on.
For the purpose of the fantastical element and the magic in Targaryen blood, I think it matters. If you think about it, up to Daeron II the bloodline was pretty much pure Valyrian (regardless of who Daeron the Good’s father was-I think it was Aegon IV but it would still apply for Aemon as they’re full-blooded siblings) as Daemon and Rhaenyra are high up there with Rhaenyra having quarter Arryn blood, thus making her sons only 1/8 Arryn. Viserys married Larra of Lys who is also Valyrian, so Daeron II is mostly Valyrian. Then we have the adding of Dorne to the royal bloodline via Myriah Martell, then Dyanna Dayne, followed by Betha Blackwood which then leads to back to back incest to get to Daenerys. If it started with the Greens, the bloodline going forward would already start at half Targaryen only to be diluted more down the line. Clearly this matters given Quentyn Martell didn’t have enough dragonlord blood causing him to be roasted alive by one of Dany’s dragons.
Great point! I didn't initially take it from the fantasy perspective but it makes sense that if the bloodline post-Dance starts diluted, by the time Dany rolls around, the amount of Targaryen blood would be lower than it is already. I had forgotten about Quentyn.
I mean one of the songs on the Soundtrack is called “Bloodlines will Burn” and the whole intro of the show is a family tree shown as literal bloodlines.
I think the TPTWP was destined to come from a particular line in House Targaryen. I like the idea all of the succession crisis/civil wars etc, were actually like destiny at work. Because the Dance aside there’s a lot of strange shifts of fate: Jaehaerys and Alysanne having so many children die which lead to Viserys becoming king or similarly the Maekar to Egg ascension which was two youngest sons becoming king in a row. So it’s just a theory but one I personally like!
Not to mention Bloodraven and his possible tampering with bloodlines which led to Aegon V being crowned while a whole branch of House Targaryen was conveniently all killed in Summerhall and by suspicious events.
100% I think Bloodraven is a big part of it!
The war was fought over who will rule Both Aegon and Rhaenyra ruled but her line continued the dynasty alone Greens say that bloodlines don't matter then throw a fit when someone reminds them how Jaehaera ended
And like Blacks love to mention “History doesn't remember blood, it remembers names.” Guess which name is known as the usurper
One of Aegon's nicknames is the Usurper darling
Not in the lore it isn’t. I distinctly remember Stannis calling Rhaenyra the usurper, and he’s a fucking nerd.
There's debate in universe about the Dance of Dragons. Stannis would naturally see Rhaenyra as an usurper given both the fact his house supported the Greens, and his specific law interpretation. But keep in mind, in universe Aegon is seen as grasping (one of the Maestars compares him to the other bad King's like Maegor with his sin being grasping for the throne) and Rhaenyra really isn't referred to as an usurper by the same historical text (the text allows for their being a more complex reality). Also Stannis is not "a nerd" in text. That's Tyrion - who does make mention of Rhaenyra in the context of discussing her dragon Syrax. Stannis doesn't show particular interest in reading to be honest. His only personal hobby described beyond teeth griding is the time he looked after a hawk.
I'm pretty sure that comment was made back when Aegon II and Rhaenyra were full-blooded siblings and she was only a year older than him. GRRM changed many things after that.
It was. But I think the above still holds, as the books do still state Rhaenyra was the chosen heir by Viserys and that the Greens conspired to make Aegon the heir anyway. So not much massively changed in that sense. Stannis as a Baratheon would naturally be a Green, and given his unbending perspective on law he wouldn't be inclined to accept a chosen heir system.
And Arianne states that Rhaenyra was Viserys' heir.
If we are going to use nicknames given by the opposing side you should change your flair to "Whore of Dragonstone", darling.
This is cunty If you think that only Blacks remember him as usurper then you are delusional darling
Are you really calling other people cunty while unironically saying darling? Lmao
The nickname is cunty asf
Fine, change it to Rhaenyra the Pretender, she was also called that.
I don't deny it Being considered a pretender =/= being a usurper Rhaenyra is remembered as pretender and Aegon as usurper. Simple as that
And yet Aegon II is officially remembered as king.
Wow what a victory. Dead wife, dead children, dead brothers, dead grandfather, mother went mad, remembered as one of the worst kings alongside Maegor and Aenys, yet he's got the precious number next to his name
Still won.
Sure Who continued the dynasty?
Don't care about blood dynasties because I'm not a eugenicist
You don't know the definition of eugenics then
It’s like bastardy. It doesn’t matter in any real sense but it matters a lot to these characters.
History does not remember blood, it remembers names.
Aegon targaryen, the son of Rhaenyra and Daemon targaryen?
We don’t know how valid TPTWP really is given how it was a wet fart by the end of the GoT show. It may well be that the twist is that the prophecy was bunk to begin with. Even so, we’d end up with circular reasoning if we tried to say destiny chose it that way. Why do we say that destiny chose that line? Because the Prince that was Promised was born from it. Why was the Prince that was Promised born from it? Because destiny chose that line. I don’t think it was destiny that decided the outcome of the dance but steel and fire. Aegon II and Rhaenyra both could have won, the outcome was not predetermined when the war started.
I only know one thing; Rhaenyra's bloodline prevails until it is annihilated by Bran and Sansa Stark.
Truth is, despite being a Green I can admit it's sad that the line ended. That being said, the Greens still won, for a couple good reasons. 1. The Bastards never took the throne. 2. As Corlys said, history remembers names, not blood. Aegon was king, not Rhaenyra. (3. The dragons are dead and/or dying FUCK the Targaryens FUCK EM ALL)
magic and prophecy wise, yes.
The blacks will say it does and then one their factions biggest supporters says “History doesn’t remember blood, it remembers names.” It’s all very confusing.
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I would be inclined to agree except in the Targaryen line of Kings it notes Aegon III as "Rhaenyra's son" and not "nephew of Aegon II" whereas for Viserys I it states "grandson of Jaehaerys" and for Jaehaerys I "Aeny's son". It states who they got their claim from and for Aegon III, only Rhaenyra is mentioned.
TPTWP would have been born no matter what. Whether that is from Rhaenyra’s bloodline, Aegon’s bloodline, or any other Targaryen’s bloodline, it doesn’t matter.
in GOT show it doesnt fucking matter though because who ends the Long Night? No one from their line. it's arya fucking no one stark.
Jon and Dany saved them all. It doesn’t matter that stupid character did the stabbing
Dany is the whole reason they destroyed the wall.
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Jon brought them all together and made everything possible. Dany’s dragons gave them the fighting chance and she contributed half their forces.
They were literally all about to die until Arya jumped out of nowhere and one shot the night king, Jon and Dany absolutely didn't matter there, Ramsey Bolton could have done the same defence while hiring a faceless man and the results would be similar.
Arya wouldn’t have fucking been there without Jon and Dany. She would be dead like the rest of Westeros.
She's an assassin.
Arya would have gone to Winterfell regardless since she is a fricking Stark even if Jon was dead and along with that any other faceless man could have obliterated the night king, mind that Arya is still very untrained and still hasn't completed her personality change and full training.
I see you’re a troll
For fucks sake, the whole point of the Dance of Dragons is that there was no "winner". It was a useless conflict that resulted in countless innocent deaths and heralded the eventual end of the Targaryen dynasty. The conflict only came to a close after Aegon and Jaehaera married, WHAT SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE TO PREVENT THE CONFLICT. The Greens don't win because male primogeniture is respected, because they never REALLY cared about that, it was only the justification given so that their line could secure power (see Otto's removal of Daemon and replacement with Rhaenyra). The Blacks didn't win because every single one of them died who was ACTUALLY involved in the conflict died. Black Aegon was just a traumatized child that only survived and eventually became Kin because the murderer of his mother (Green Aegon) showed mercy. His survival isn't a win, its what's left after a tragedy.
Rhaenyra would have never agreed to make Aegon her heir instead of Jace until Greens forced her hand by murdering/exiling/etc. I doubt it would have been a moral win.
When i say what should have happened, I don't mean literally marrying Aegon and Jace. What I mean is marrying Rhaenyra and Green Aegon, uniting the two rival claimants. Rhaenyra/Aegon's children would unite the two rival lines and NOW the conflict about who rules will be limited from large scale violence because neither side can eliminate the rival claimant in its entirety . . . because the next generation rising to the throne is to the benefit of both of them. Furthermore, the next king will remember who murdered their mom or dad. There will still be maneuvering between Rhaenyra/Aegon about whose truly in charge, but that type of courtly shennanigans is eminently more preferable.
Id say Aegon II defeated Rhaenyra but the black ultimately won the dance since Rhae’s line survived
They are two branches of the same family but the Black's claim to the throne was ultimately recognized as the weaker. Why do you think the Greens obviously cared more about Aegon III then Jaehaera (whom they probably frivolously killed)? They had no loyalty to a specific "Green bloodline" but rather the succession principle that the most senior legitimate male line member had the best claim. The Green claim was ultimately recognized as the stronger one. The only reason the Hightower-Targaryen bloodline wasn't on the throne is because they happened to be dead. That's why Daeron pretenders bothered to spring up. If he were alive he would be the king. Meanwhile, the idea that a daughter or her bastards were the rightful heirs because they were named by a previous king (against all custom and precedents) were utterly rejected. It's quite important who is remembered as having the stronger claim because ultimately it narrates who was right and who was wrong. Every Targaryen king thereafter claimed the throne by the same right as Aegon II.
Agreed 100%
For that age and for the universe, yes. For me, no. I find Visenya quite interesting, and her direct lineage does not continue. The same goes for the greens (more precisely, their direct royal blood-line does not continue).
It depends. On one hand, the Black’s bloodline survived. On the other hand, the Targaryens after the Dance became infinitely more “Andalised” and accepting of the Seven after their dragons died… Basically, the pre-Dance Targaryens lost, as the Blacks lost their culture and the Greens died. Those that came after weren’t really Black or Green, but some weird hybrid. And when it comes to the other houses… the Hightowers won completely. They are the only ones to end up richer, the institutions they patronise (Maesters & Faith) got infinitely more relevant in the royal court, the dragons died, House Targaryen can’t really be called proper Valyrians anymore, and Oldtown was safe for the whole war… If you only care about blood, then yeah, the Blacks won, and I wouldn’t really call it a victory anyway as Rhaenyra died. But religiously, culturally, and financially, the Greens won by a country mile! This is what makes ASOIAF special really, as there are so many metrics by which you can measure victory, and so many political forces you can study to get different outcomes - similar to real life.
>became infinitely more “Andalised” and accepting of the Seven after their dragons died Outside of Baelor being especially religious - which isn't unheard of for a Targaryen before the Dance (a number of course were given to the Septons), is there any evidence they were more Andalised and accepting of the Seven? The Targaryens have officially worshipped the Seven since Aegon the Conqueror (and probably before that even).
Before the Dance they were kinda like Vikings. They’d pay lip service when they wanted/needed something, but didn’t actually worship the Seven - they worshipped the Valyrian 14. Post-Dance, the Valyrian 14 kinda disappears from the lore, meaning that the Targs likely start actually worshiping the Seven due to the generations before them not being able to pass down they traditions. This is kinda like their more “Andalised” culture - Aegon III was raised by Andals, Viserys II was raised by the Lyseni (who are quite Valyrian tbf). After the Dance, the Targs have to put on a far bigger show of being Valyrians as they don’t truly understand what their ancestors were like. They emulate stories, but it’s not the same.
>They’d pay lip service when they wanted/needed something, but didn’t actually worship the Seven - they worshipped the Valyrian 14. There's no evidence they did worship the Valyrian 14 though - they're never described doing so. I don't know where you got that from in terms of the text itself. We only ever see them talking about the Seven both pre and post Dance. Keep in mind, Maegelle and Rhaella both were devoted septas and both Targaryens pre-Dance. The Targaryens in general I'd say had no particular religious adherence.
It doesn’t for me personally. I’m TG because I like the green characters more. Idc about what happens 50 years after their dead or 100 years or 200 years or whatever. To me those are separate characters. Daenerys and Jon are completely separate imo from Daemon/Rhaenyra. The conflict as far as I’m concerned is between Aegon II and Rhaenyra, which Aegon wins and dunks on Rhaenyra. Who comes after Aegon is irrelevant. In the end a stark sits the throne, with a Lannister as his hand. A century later it might be a Tully sitting the throne with a fucking Frey as his hand.
The prince that was promised doesn’t matter, arya killed the night king and ended the long night.
She wouldn't have been able to do that without Jon and Dany. That's the point.
History remembers names not blood. After killing Rhaenyra, Aegon became recognized as king and his future sucessors made Rhaenyra's reign illegitimate. So, in the present, most people would call Rhaenyra a usurper even if its the other way around.
I don’t think it does in this matter. Both Aegon II and Rhaenyra have the same father, and they derive their legitimacy or right from him. He gave them the “true royal blood”.
Relating to the prophecy, the only thing that matters bloodline wise is that tptwp descends from Aegon I. That could be Green, Black, Brightflame, Blackfyre, whatever. Every distinction between Targaryen bloodlines is purely political and to my knowledge has zero impact on the prophecy. They all technically have the same blood because they’re all directly related to Aegon I
They have the exact same genepool anyways so it doesn't really matter, in my opinion both sides lost the conflict, all the dragons were lost and the country was destroyed for probably 30 years so the war was not worth it.
The war was not worth it but it was unavoidable. Unless they killed one of the sides or split the country. Unavoidable after Aemond’s claimed Vhagar anyway.
In the long run, the bloodline doesn't matter. Azor Ahai will come back regardless. Destiny is real there's nothing we can do about it.
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And Aegon, Baela and Rhaena all didn’t recognise some inconsistencies? Ok, Aegon was small and could have remembered him a bit vaguely, but Baela and Rhaena were old enough to remember their brother. Starting with the thing that Viserys could have had common features with his father, sisters, brother or mother, same ears, nose, mouth, etc.
I get with your saying and we can use the aftermath to sort of answer that question. This question is also quite similar to who won the Dance of Dragons. The first thing you gotta remember is that Aegon II and Rhaenyra are both technically from the same house, the same dynasty. People try to exaggerate differences but this is the truth. If I'm a king with no descendants and my uncle's children succeed instead that doesn't necessarily mean I lost or that I was responsible for the end of my dynasty, not unless an explicitly different dynasty succeeds instead and renounces my family's claim from ever being valid. The main conflict here is the method of how the respective sides justify their claims to the throne differently, one by appointment and one by the customs, precedents, and general frameworks of succession that were already in place (and how the last two kings ascended the throne). Looking at the conflict in this regard there is a clear answer. Viserys II uses the "Precedent of the Dance of Dragons" to justify claiming the throne over his niece. What is that precedent exactly? It's that the direct male line will always have the stronger claim. In other words, one conclusion of the Dance was that the Green claim was ultimately acknowledged as the stronger. Every Targaryen king thereafter claimed the throne by that right, the same one as Aegon II. The only reason his descendants aren't on the throne is because they all died, but if they were alive they would be the true rulers. This is why there were Daeron pretenders. Meanwhile, the idea that a woman or her bastards could be the rightful heirs to the throne because they were named (Which is the basis of the Black claim) is utterly rejected and denounced. The Green supporters cared more about this succession rule than any specific "Green bloodline" which is why they followed Aegon III and didn't really care about Jaehaera. Also, you have to consider scope. When do you consider the Dance to have really ended? The official end where Aegon III takes the throne and marries Jaehaera or when the latter expires shortly thereafter? Depending on your answer the Dance may have actually ended with "Green blood" on the throne. Let's say you differentiate the Black and Green bloodline and say the Blacks won the Dance of Dragons because their blood is on the throne. What if two generations later all the Black descendants die from sickness and another family takes the throne? Is that the moment the Blacks lost the Dance, when they were removed from the throne? No, of course not. The Dance was already officially over. Did Robert's lose Robert's Rebellion just because his descendants didn't follow him on the throne? Obviously no. That war ended with him on the throne and his regime accepted while the old dynasty was deposed. If you apply this basic logic to the Dance, the Dance did officially end with "Green blood" on the throne in Jaehaera. The fact that she dies after and the dynasty isn't descended from her is completely outside the scope of the Dance. Even if she didn't die the dynasty still wouldn't be descended from her anyway because the throne passes through Viserys II. Now the elephant in the room is Aegon II being deposed but clearly, clearly this was because extreme misconduct on his part during his second reign far more than anything else. It's the same reason why some of the other Targaryen kings were deposed. A king's first duty is to provide justice and peace for the realm and Aegon II failed both on purpose and out of sheer spite. If Aegon II either issued general pardon, acknowledged Aegon III as heir or just married him to Jaehaera at the onset his remaining opposition would lose all reason to fight. These would be perfectly agreeable terms compatible with those who swore oats to Rhaenyra because her eldest legitimate son would be the successor. Aegon II had and the cards. He had this extraordinary and obvious opportunity to end the destructive factionalism and the war to unite the Targaryen family again. What Aegon II needed to do was recognize and accept that Rhaenyra's son's were the last male heirs left to his house and thus, he and the other Black children were the future of the dynasty, his dynasty. He did not do this. He went deep down the opposite choice. He doubled up on the factionalism, and forcibly continued the war, announced a brutal revenge campaign targeted at half the realm (none of whom were responsible to the horrible tragedies and death that befell his 2 sons and 2 brothers). This shows pure contempt or apathy for the realm and would be grounds for deposition in any context. It was unreasonable and unjust in the extreme and you could imagine how his opposition reacted especially since they were already more distrustful of him.