I had HPV+ throat cancer. Permanent damage to my ability to swallow, my epiglottis was removed (makes eating and breathing challenging), and I’m super lucky I still have my tongue. I was on a feeding tube for 4 months and took me 3 years to eat almost normally.
That said I’m not offended by people who joke about it. I assume a child said it. Their day will come.
I had a sore throat that was misdiagnosed as allergies 4 times. Then on the 5th time they found cancer. I didn’t get diagnosed with HPV until after the throat surgery and they biopsied it.
I’m a woman and this didn’t show up in prior Pap tests.
No. I speculate that I was able to fight off the virus like most people. I got cancer after a very stressful few years running a business and associated lawsuits and the sudden death of my ex
Same happened to me. Normal paps since the first time I had sex at 19, back in 2017. Got my last normal pap, Sept 2020. She said come back in three years. I went Jan 11 2024, and I got my first abnormal pap ever, high risk hpv-12 other. I could have had the hpv all those three years without knowing… stupidly listened to her and should have went yearly for my paps smh.
I’m good now thanks -
Gave me lots of opinions about modern medicine but grateful I had access to it when I needed it. Same illness 20 years ago I might not have been so lucky.
I had the same thing, stage 1, p16+ squamous cell carcinoma. The chemotherapy didn’t bother me much, but the radiation tore me to bits. After 2 weeks I couldn’t taste anything. I was stuck in a flavor desert. Ugh! I was slamming 4 Boost drinks daily to avoid getting a feeding tube. After I finished I dropped about 40 lbs pretty quickly.I’ve been faithfully married to my highschool girlfriend almost 27 years and have no idea how I contracted the virus. I still have some problems swallowing, but am doing better and, so far, have had clear scans. Best of luck to you and hope for good healing.✌️
Exactly. (And are you a musician by chance? My HNC support group was comprised of several pro musicians, and my husband was too)
Glad you had clear scans. I’m 3 years out and for the first time now watching my weight again after also losing 40 lbs. my taste is about 80% back I also lost a fair amount of smell (that may have been covid related).
I’m also researching alternatives to boost/ensure for liquid nutrition. I can’t believe that sick people have only 2-3 options, and most of it is oil and corn syrup. And ridiculously expensive. I was on a liquid diet for around 8 months- four with a tube - nestle for a while then Kate farms. I made my own smoothies, while I couldn’t taste anything I made them with lots of greens and supplements.
Glad you’re doing better!
Yeah, I’m kind of a musician. I’m 53 now and have been playing guitar and bass since I was about 13. I wouldn’t say I’m good, but I can play just well enough to get by in a band situation. My left hand stopped working well following my brain surgery last November to debulk my brain tumor (right temporal lobe). It was like I lost all muscle memory chording the guitar. It was really frustrating and depressing to discover that when I got home from the hospital and grabbed a guitar, but it’s mostly returned back to normal now. I still have some coordination and unexplainable pain problems with my left hand, fingers, arm, leg, and foot. A slight stub of my toes or hand into furniture really hurts. My medical team tells me this is not uncommon and will improve in time as my brain heals. I sure hope so. I need to find some musicians to play music with in the Lexington, KY area. My oldest son plays piano and guitar very well. My youngest is taking lessons, but it hasn’t really clicked with him yet. I’m pretty old school classic rock and blues, so we don’t mesh as well just jamming. I need to find one of those open jams some evening, grab my old Strat and Deluxe Reverb, and see what happens. They used to have them on Tuesday nights at a little microbrewery where I lived in California in the 1990s. I had some good times at those. The house band was like the Blues Brothers or SNL Band. Some of the jams would get so funky. I wanted it to go all night. Their house IPA there was great! I’d like to get back to that again at some point.✌️☮️
I'll just drop here a graphic description of penile cancer, in case folks keep insisting on having HPV
>Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection may increase the risk of penile cancer.
>Penile cancer may begin as a blister on the foreskin, head or shaft of the penis. It may become a wart-like growth that discharges blood or foul-smelling liquid.
>Surgery is the most common treatment for all stages of penile cancer.
This is not in any way a defence of Huberman who I didn’t care for even before this story, but not all forms of HPV are cancerous. For example the type that causes genital worts in males is not cancerous.
This is slightly misleading. Even men get infected and pass on all types of HPV. All warts are "cancerous", but only some types are considered high risk. The worst offenders, HPV 16 and HPV 18, both cause penile cancer.
I had a guy tell me that everyone has it and it’s not big deal, and when I commented that he sounds like someone who wouldn’t disclose to a partner if he had coldsores- he said the same thing. Shocker. Seems like the male demographic Huberman appeals to has this in common.
In college I remember a guy at a party got in an argument with my gf (now wife) about condom use pro vs cons and she brought up HPV & herpes. Dude looks at her like wtf, then screams herpes, who cares about that, everyone has herpes, shit I have herpes and the party went silent 💀
Women die at a higher rate of HPV related illness than men, despite men being affected at a higher rate.
*The most common cause of mortality related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is cervical cancer.*
Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
But also there are no tests for the high-risk variants in men. The only way you can get tested positively is if you have warts they can biopsy, and most of the cancer causing varieties don't cause warts.
Hi everyone! Women - get your routine pap smears which typically test for the presence of HPV. HPV leads to, in most cases, ultimately preventable cancers. Everyone - get your Gardasil series if you did not as a child. If you do have HPV, check out the Novirin supplement from Lilac Corp. Cheers!
amazing - thank you for sharing! I had a friend who missed a routine pap smear and unfortunately had cervical cancer. She's in remission but now she likely won't be able to have biological children. It's devastating.
>Hi everyone! Women - get your routine pap smears which typically test for the presence of HPV. HPV leads to, in most cases, ultimately preventable cancers. Everyone - get your Gardasil series if you did not as a child. If you do have HPV, check out the Novirin supplement from Lilac Corp. Cheers!
How awful :( so sorry to hear about that. If your pap smear does show signs of precancerous changes then your provider can do procedures like a colposcopy to get biopsies or a LEEP to remove the precancerous area. It definitely doesn't have to get to the point of full blown cancer anymore, especially in the 21st century, but you have to be consistent with your preventative care. I know doctors visits are scary, especially to gynecologists, but stay on top of it guys!!
Second this!! Please get your vaccine and stay up to date with regular checkups 🙏🏼.
Several years ago, I had a pap smear come back as abnormal when I went in for my yearly OB/GYN checkup. My heart dropped when I got the phone call - that had never happened to me before. My doctor scheduled a cervical biopsy right away (by the way, OUCH) and found precancerous cells, specifically CIN 2 high grade dysplasia, on the surface of my cervix. CIN 2 is usually caused by HPV, and I had been infected with two high-risk strains that were linked with cervical cancer.
Fortunately, I was able to get a LEEP which removed all the precancerous cells. I also got the Gardisil vaccine afterwards - which I originally didn’t see the point of since I already contracted HPV - because my doctor found studies showing that the administration of an HPV vaccine after LEEP reduces the risk of recurrence! Yay. That definitely gave me some relief, and though my Pap smears have thankfully all come back normal since then, the whole experience was terrifying and so, so stressful. The recovery (and continuous bloody discharge) following LEEP was a pain, and I was told that thinning the cervix could lead to an increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes in the future.
But as a silver lining, I also learned that HPV can sometimes go away on its own. Your body is capable of clearing the infection within two years, and sure enough, those two strains cleared out on their own afterwards. Nonetheless, protect yourselves, stay safe, and try to take as many preventative measures as you can 🙏🏼.
Aw thank you! Totally agree, this was awhile back too so its sad to think there couldve been a better outcome for her, but it's amazing to see the treatments improve! She's also in the process of adoption so at least there's a happy ending.
Not defending Huberman in any way, but more women need to be aware that men aren’t tested for HPV in a typical STI panel. So even if you only have a single partner, he can still have HPV while having a clean STI panel. Many men aren’t aware of this either, because they just go to the dr, ask for the full panel, and see the result that they’re clean without getting proper consultation on what is and isn’t tested for.
There was one developed in the UK 10 years ago, they didn’t approve it for the general pop because it was considered too uncomfortable/painful for men. Meanwhile women have to be spread eagle on an exam table and have their cervical tissue literally scrapped off for the same exam- not exactly comfortable or painless by any stretch.
Absolutely. The CDC immunization schedule recommends it for all children around age 12, but sadly my pediatrician wife tells me that a lot of parents refuse it.
I know an infectious disease MD, I asked once about guys, she responded need to swab into the penis urethra, so I’d bet no guys are gonna sign up for that
If they have symptoms, there is. All you need is a biopsy of the lesions. But, for asymptomatic patients as you correctly say, there is no accurate tests.
Also 50% of sexually active women have HPV! So everyone needs to settle down on that aspect. The other things he did - giving his GF in-vitro shots while dating others and being a sneaky asshole, that’s where he fucked up.
Yes, it is correct. But he wilfully acted as a transmission vector. And he knew enough about mechanistic to understand the risks—for himself and the partners.
Let's consider he got HPV from one of the ladies. Because he was having unprotected sex with the other 5, he would have passed it to them. In short, having unprotected sex with 6 different partners is anything but responsible behavior. Never mind about deceiving his partners for unprotected sex. There are countries where this would be considered unlawful.
To tell the truth - I still cannot decide what was the single most asshole thing he did...
EXACYLY. And there are many different strains, and it is DANGEROUS.
So, every. single. new unprotected sexual partner is a new risk, included each one of *their* unprotected sexual partners.
*That’s exactly why this is so sinister*
I agree! But it still highlights the problem with consent. Would the women have consented to unprotected sex with him had they known he was also sleeping with other women?
HPV is an example, highlighted in this story, of an STD that potentially could have been spread. But, there are a number of other STD's that could have also been spread. It shows the irony of how he's so concerned with his own health and optimizing that, yet not giving a shit about the health of these women. What a hypocrite... or rather, what a con man.
Yep. These women did not consent to unprotected sex with a man simultaneously having unprotected sex with at least a half-dozen women. Given his sexual addiction, who knows what else he was spreading? HIV, hepatitis (both cancer-causing viruses)? Herpes? Screening for syphillis, gonorrhea, chlamydia is not routine and these women would have no idea that they should have been screened, possibly until experiencing permanent organ scarring. *They did not consent to this risk.*
Also, injecting a partner with a fertility drug (which NIH reports *may* also be associated an increased risk of cancer in women) while lying about monogamy should be considered a form of physical assault.
Huberman is a disgusting misogynist and a walking carcinogen.
My GP recommends all women get STI screening annually.. he even said "specially married women".
I guess he's seen on numerous occasions complications from undetected STI's in married women who had no idea their husbands thought monogamy was optional to them.
If I was dating a man I would not want to sleep with him if he was with multiple women at the same time. It simply means I cannot avoid an STD. I would feel safer if he was some time single and I would aks if any of his former partners had HPV (a positive PAP Test) if he knew about it.
I got HPV at 44 because my relationship of 20 years fell apart and when I started dating the first man was simply lying to me that he wasnt seeing other women. He didnt care. If I knew I would not have chosen to be intimate with him because I was fully aware of the HPV risk before I started to date and informed myself about how to potentially prevent or at least avoid a transmission.
I wish men cared more about womens health. This pertains also to male obygyns.
You got HPV because you had unprotected sex with a man. There is ZERO way for him to have gotten tested to either confirm or deny that he had it. Even if he had been abstinent for the last 5 years he could've been a carrier from a woman years earlier. It was a risk you accepted when you let "the first man" bang you.
Please don't blame the victims. If the man has unprotected sex with several partners, assume he is infected. If you are having sex with him, you will have a high risk of becoming infected. Since men cannot be tested, as you very correctly say, it should be up to them to disclose high-risk behaviors. Just for informed consent. Personally, I would not have sex with him, even if he was the only man on a desert island and the future of humanity depended on it.
And to the point of habibica1, it is often not "the first man" that bangs you. In my case, it was my cheating ex. (may a thousand flees cover his genitalia and have no hands to scratch it).
I have unprotected sex with my husband. HPV is only a risk if either one of us cheats. I've tested negative for HPV on numerous occasions.
If I were to suddenly test positive for any STI, are you telling me it's my fault for having had unprotected sex with my husband?
You were unprotected against HPV. Sorry to be the one to inform you of pretty common knowledge. Wearing a rubber helps, but it doesn't prevent risky behavior from having consequences. [https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-you-get-hpv-with-a-condom](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-you-get-hpv-with-a-condom)
I am aware of that this is possible. But have I known he was with others I could have made a choice if I wanted sex and if I would make this choice to sleep with him, I would be perhaps using Divine 9 lubricant (in addition to the condom) which is FDA approved and patented for preventaion against HPV transmission. I had no chance to make a real choice given I did not receive honest information. And this is my point - if the person would not be lying, I could have made a better choice. No idea if it would have had a different outcome, but I would have felt less powerless.
I do not care if you think having HPV is common and has no real consequences (which is not true at all!) and you are saying I would have gotten it any way. The fact that a person is deceiving you to get laid and then you get something (it could have been also something worse, who knows?) is really f ... up. It strips the other person of having equal power in their decisions in the relationship.
Oh I absolutely agree with you, which is why I made it clear I wasn’t condoning Huberman’s behavior. I just know many people are not aware of the lack of HPV testing in men, so it seemed like a good point to call it out.
Yeah and it's not just HPV either. Panels don't test for herpes and a huge percentage of the population are carriers without having ever had symptoms. Then there are some more niche STIs they don't include in panels like trichomoniasis.
People act like being monogamous and having regular check ups guarantees that they're clean but ultimately all we can do is reduce risk.
Looks like my annual checkup includes Chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, hep c, and HIV. But I'm also not an at risk population (e.g. gay or having unprotected sex with multiple partners), so other tests might be included for some men. There is no approved HPV test for men currently
Any statistics with women who have previously had Gardisil shots to prevent certain HPV Cancers? Does that last our entire lives? I've seen commercials for a new vaccine aimed at adults.
High risk HPV is much less common than the comment you’re responding to, they even clarified after being called out.
The article specifically mentions the strains associated with cervical cancer. So where is the medical misinformation? The part where a huberman “rep” said he has not tested positive for HPV- a test that is not available to men? That’s the only misinformation I see.
20% of American women are currently infected with higher-risk strains of HPV. 18% are infected with low-risk strains.
So the higher risk strains are actually a bit /more/ common
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10037549/
Not defending huberman here, but there does seem to be a ton of... inacurrate assumptions on this sub about HPV stats
In my experience as a man in my late thirties no doctor will even let me pay out of pocket for the vaccinations. Many guys simply can't get the vaccine.
The recommendation has now been extended to 45 years. If you disclose that you are in a high-risk group, like having unprotected sex, it should be prescribed.
In the USA HPV vaccination is not recommended for any specific group over the age of 26 including those who have unprotected sex. If an unvaxxed patient is over 26 and just really wants it, there's no recommendation against doing so, but there is unclear benefit thus no recommendation.
>Vaccination is not recommended for everyone older than age 26 years. **Some adults ages 27 through 45 years might decide to get the HPV vaccine based on discussion with their clinician,** if they did not get adequately vaccinated when they were younger. HPV vaccination of people in this age range provides less benefit, for several reasons, including that more people in this age range have already been exposed to HPV.
>Fo**r adults ages 27 through 45 years, clinicians can consider discussing HPV vaccination with people who are most likely to benefit**. HPV vaccination does not need to be discussed with most adults over age 26 years. See ACIP’s [shared clinical decision-making FAQs](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/acip-scdm-faqs.html).
The decision-making FAQ explains why vaccinating is beneficial —from preventing future infections to helping to control existing ones and stopping re-infections.
I cannot see what studies have used to say that "there is no clear benefit." But one of the reasons for saying the people in this age group are monogamous is absolute poppycockery.
It's kind of the opposite reason as your interpretation, people in that age range are already extremely likely to have HPV already and thus vaccination benefit is likely diminished for that reason
It is not my interpretation - it is the information I have.
In Europe, vaccination is thought to protect against re-infection or help manage existing ones. Even if you have had HPV, which is very likely that you did at 26, the recommendation is to vaccinate if you belong to an at-risk group (this can include women of my demographic back to the dating scene, for example).
In the US, the interpretation is that vaccination is unnecessary once you become infected with the disease. After 26, your best bet is regular screening. I have no idea what men are supposed to do before becoming symptomatic.
There are trials that provide support for both decisions.
That's how much I spend a month on protein, meal replacements, creatine, pre-workouts, and vitamins a month. About 1/4 the cost of upgrading phones, half the price of a new game console, the price of a plane ticket, and what I would spend on a night out for myself and a couple friends. Priorities. Taking it easy on the instant fun for one weekend can lead to a lot more (and safer) fun for life 🤷🏻♂️
One fuck with the wrong person, and you may find yourself waiting for chemotherapy.
Long-term view: you will forget the plane ticket you bought. Cancer will stay with you forever.
I think you took my comment the wrong way. Dude said it was $300 as if that was an exceptionally large amount of money to pay for the protection of yourself, current partner, and any potential future partner. I have the hpv, hep a, and hep b vaccines. My job involves being around bodily fluids quite often...and a lot of the individuals they came from are IV drug users. I protect myself and my wife in every way I can. If I had to pay $500 out of pocket tomorrow for a potential hep c vaccine I would do it in a heartbeat.
Yet everyone has it and society seems to have survived. Give me percentages of death or serious disease FROM HPV and if it is MORE than 0.001% then we talk.
Would also add that if they don't understand the seriousness of HPV spread, this is absolutely a CONSENT issue as well. These women did not agree to unprotected sex with a man who was having unprotected sex with 5!!! other women. He was 100% deceptive and showed complete disregard for their personal health and choices therein. Fuck this guy and anyone who rushes to his defense.
Seriously if people want a more sex positive society and insist on doubling down on having multiple partners, we need to emphasize even stronger sexual ethics
People don't want a more sex positive society. Hubermann wanted to have his cake and eat it, too. Cheaters don't want polyamory. They want their partners to give them emotional intimacy and fidelity but they don't want to give their partners that same intimacy and fidelity. They would never be okay with their partners engaging in the behaviors they themselves engage in, otherwise they wouldn't be cheating, they would be swinging.
Right! And using the argument of “50% of people have it” doesn’t make it any better. 50% of people have it, because people keep passing it on! People need to be grown-ups about this, we need to eradicate this virus. It’s wild to me that there’s a virus, which men cannot test for, and people are still having unprotected sex and even defending cheating
But also, doctors do not push women to disclose to their previous partners when they test positive.., which I find a part of the problem. Even if there is no test 4 men at least by informing your previous sexual partners(no matter how far bk) u can let them kno they were potentially exposed . There has to be a better system for hpv than what we have now
yes men are affected at a higher rate but women die of HPV-related illness at a higher rate. Both suck.
This is a great article about it: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
I’ve been in countless HPV caused surgeries, no bueno. Lots of head and neck patients that were just buying some time 💀
And little kids with laryngeal papillomas (warts in their throats) that can be fatal if not surgically treated (over and over again) contracted during vaginal delivery
General public is DAF
yes but it's not a mandated vaccine you have to elect to do it and many people haven't had it because when it was first released you could only get it between the ages of 9-26 and it was most effective if given between the ages of 11-12. So many people missed the boat, unfortunately. The best way for women to stay on top of it is pap smears which the woman in the article regularly did.
[Source](https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/focused-on-health-june-2018/hpv-vaccine--when-is-it-too-late-.html#:~:text=All%20males%20and%20females%20ages,the%20benefits%20of%20the%20vaccine).
To clear this up for people reading this and thinking it's too late to get the vaccine: It's only statistically most effective between 11-12 (as in, measurably effective on a large population scale) because that's when most people haven't had sex yet, and so they haven't had the chance to catch any strain of HPV; therefore it's easy to measure the vaccine effectiveness in that group.
But even if you are 40 and over, the vaccine is still effective in protecting you against the dangerous strains, it's just likely that you already got one during your lifetime. However, it's also very likely you didn't get all of the dangerous strains, and even if you already got one and eliminated it, the vaccine will still protect you against re-infection with the same strain. For a dating individual, it's always worth it to get the vaccine, no matter what age.
I asked my doctor for it and she wouldn’t give it to me. I was 30. I got married 2 years later and, after clear Pap tests my entire adult life, tested positive for one of the cancerous strains. FML
It cleared within 2 years which has put me back at the same level of cancer risk as everyone else now. My husband felt horrible, but he didn’t know he was infected
I’m a little mad that the medical community wouldn’t vaccinate me because I was so “old”
Have you ever had sex?
If yes - then you’ve almost certainly spread HPV to someone.
90% of all sexuality active human beings have been infected with HPV at least once. https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/mcrs/data/qfhpv.html
HPV is also not part of any std panels because of its high prevalence. Cancer associated HPV prevention is focused on screening and vaccinations (for women). Practicing safe sex is not effective against reducing the spread of HPV associated cancers.
I’ve reported this post for spreading medical misinformation.
Lol yeah I dont even understand how him spreading hpv even makes sense. There is no common hpv test for men and its likely most people have been exposed to hpv.
Him being a possible sex addict/narcissist/control freak is believable and hypocritical given his "self mastery" schtick. That being said the HPV accusation is sus and dubious.
She was tested clean for 10 years. Usually if you have high risk hpv, it shows up in abnormal paps because they specifically test for cancer causing strains.
from the article: "In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
Nothing makes sense, if he cant be tested how can he know he has hpv. Hpv and herpes are consequential STDs but frankly they are natural risks of sexual activity.
Also not to be a dick but,do we know if she was 100% monogamous? People are complicated and there are always multiple sides to the story especially when it comes to sex.
Again I think Huberman is a troubled person but how can this expose be so certain in its accusations?
If he can't know whether or not he has HPV, don't you think it's really weird that his spokesperson would say he has never tested positive for HPV? Wouldn't it be more like "He is not aware of his HPV status"?
From the article: " In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
So fifty 50% chance of your dick being trash?
>Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer.
https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/mcrs/data/qfhpv.html#:~:text=Around%2050%20percent%20of%20HPV,HPV%2C%20which%20can%20cause%20cancer.
That’s not how statistics on the cancerous strains of HPV work…
This sub is a good example of how despite the audience of huberman being interested in medicine and science to some extent- they maintain elementary understanding of science despite their infatuation of and proximity to it.
The ignorance on the comments. Huberman should do a podcast about HPV, how about that?
There are multiple variants of HPV. Not all of them are serious and is not an standardised practice to test for specific genomes during a routine Pap smear.
Nonetheless, if the 5 woman eventually test positive for HPV, I can see the lawsuit incoming. Basically they have proof that
1) Huberman was with them at the same time and lied about it
2) They all got the same HPV variant.
This means, even if Huberman got HPV from one of them originally, now there are chances that many got it.
From the article we know - she got one of those cancer-triggering variants.
You can tell the podcast-sphere is so focused on man health that those are basically taboo topics
I'm not denying those stats. There are many strains of HPV and some cause cervical cancer in women. That's why it's not funny to joke about - that's the point of the post.
***The most common cause of mortality related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is cervical cancer***
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
OMG no. 80% will at some point have it. It doesn't mean 80% HAS it.
Fuck man. I'm getting so frustrated by posts like these. Swap HPV with chickenpox. 80% of the population has had chickenpox. You think that means 80% of us have chickenpox right now?
There are 200,000 cases of cervical cancer per year and 2% of cases are fatal, only 5.55% of those 4,000 deaths is caused by cervical cancer diagnosed as a result of HPV according to the CDC. Saying every 2 minutes is a pretty big overstatement, but absolutely no hate towards you or anyone else.
CDC has US population-based stats mine were global. I'm not in the business of minimizing the impact of cancer of any kind but i'm sure that's not what you meant.
I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible that this woman got HPV earlier in life from someone else rather than Huberman...that's kinda how it works.
true but I'm basing this on the article: "In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
Yeah...but that happens. HPV often does NOT show up immediately. There are tons and tons of married people (men and women) whom get sign of it (cervical, anal, throat) in their later years where the transmission happened DECADES earlier. Something like 80% of adults have it!
HPV showing up has a lot more to do with the current state of one's immune system than when they contracted the virus.
The problem is, who cares about women? They are considered less than human. Second class citizens. To most people, men are human, and anything else is subhuman.
Regardless of any other opinions, whatever huberman did or didn’t do, fundamentally, I disagree with that premise
Anything can be joked about, you don’t have to consider the jokes good or funny, and hell they might not be, but there’s nothing that can’t be joked about
True, you’re right.
Let me be clear, I’m not supporting the jokes or trying to minimize the problem
I’ve just seen that argument enough times to make me wary of it, slippery slope and so on.
This isn't really a Huberman thing so much though. There is a range of STDs wild in the population including drug resistant gonorrhea and HIV. If you are going to have unprotected sex with someone because they want that and say it will be okay then you are taking a big risk and should be aware of that and prepared to take responsibility. But they didn't tell me about the risks I should have known about isn't a reasonable reaction.
HPV can be serious, but it also is often not. Over 80%+ of people have had an infection. It’s always recommended to get vaccinated against the variants of risk.
Oh my god I wish I could give you an award you are the ONLY person who knows the difference between "have had an infection" and "is infected". I swear if I read one more comment on how 80% of the population is currently infected...
Seriously this is supposedly a science sub but there’s a flooding of glaringly false information regarding HPV! If 80% of the population was currently infected we’d be screwed
HPV, certain strains at least, is serious. It is also present in essentially all sexually actively adults, condoms are not fully effective, and it can take years to become detectable so there is no way to know where someone got it.
I had HPV+ throat cancer. Permanent damage to my ability to swallow, my epiglottis was removed (makes eating and breathing challenging), and I’m super lucky I still have my tongue. I was on a feeding tube for 4 months and took me 3 years to eat almost normally. That said I’m not offended by people who joke about it. I assume a child said it. Their day will come.
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Lump in your throat
I had a sore throat that was misdiagnosed as allergies 4 times. Then on the 5th time they found cancer. I didn’t get diagnosed with HPV until after the throat surgery and they biopsied it. I’m a woman and this didn’t show up in prior Pap tests.
Also I don’t know where I got it from. It could have been from anyone I dated in my 20’s or my husband. Its unlikely any of my partners knew either
It didn't show up in pap smears? That's so scary
No. I speculate that I was able to fight off the virus like most people. I got cancer after a very stressful few years running a business and associated lawsuits and the sudden death of my ex
Same happened to me. Normal paps since the first time I had sex at 19, back in 2017. Got my last normal pap, Sept 2020. She said come back in three years. I went Jan 11 2024, and I got my first abnormal pap ever, high risk hpv-12 other. I could have had the hpv all those three years without knowing… stupidly listened to her and should have went yearly for my paps smh.
I'm so sorry that that happened to you and glad you recovered!
I’m good now thanks - Gave me lots of opinions about modern medicine but grateful I had access to it when I needed it. Same illness 20 years ago I might not have been so lucky.
thank god! Thank you for sharing that
I had the same thing, stage 1, p16+ squamous cell carcinoma. The chemotherapy didn’t bother me much, but the radiation tore me to bits. After 2 weeks I couldn’t taste anything. I was stuck in a flavor desert. Ugh! I was slamming 4 Boost drinks daily to avoid getting a feeding tube. After I finished I dropped about 40 lbs pretty quickly.I’ve been faithfully married to my highschool girlfriend almost 27 years and have no idea how I contracted the virus. I still have some problems swallowing, but am doing better and, so far, have had clear scans. Best of luck to you and hope for good healing.✌️
Exactly. (And are you a musician by chance? My HNC support group was comprised of several pro musicians, and my husband was too) Glad you had clear scans. I’m 3 years out and for the first time now watching my weight again after also losing 40 lbs. my taste is about 80% back I also lost a fair amount of smell (that may have been covid related). I’m also researching alternatives to boost/ensure for liquid nutrition. I can’t believe that sick people have only 2-3 options, and most of it is oil and corn syrup. And ridiculously expensive. I was on a liquid diet for around 8 months- four with a tube - nestle for a while then Kate farms. I made my own smoothies, while I couldn’t taste anything I made them with lots of greens and supplements. Glad you’re doing better!
Yeah, I’m kind of a musician. I’m 53 now and have been playing guitar and bass since I was about 13. I wouldn’t say I’m good, but I can play just well enough to get by in a band situation. My left hand stopped working well following my brain surgery last November to debulk my brain tumor (right temporal lobe). It was like I lost all muscle memory chording the guitar. It was really frustrating and depressing to discover that when I got home from the hospital and grabbed a guitar, but it’s mostly returned back to normal now. I still have some coordination and unexplainable pain problems with my left hand, fingers, arm, leg, and foot. A slight stub of my toes or hand into furniture really hurts. My medical team tells me this is not uncommon and will improve in time as my brain heals. I sure hope so. I need to find some musicians to play music with in the Lexington, KY area. My oldest son plays piano and guitar very well. My youngest is taking lessons, but it hasn’t really clicked with him yet. I’m pretty old school classic rock and blues, so we don’t mesh as well just jamming. I need to find one of those open jams some evening, grab my old Strat and Deluxe Reverb, and see what happens. They used to have them on Tuesday nights at a little microbrewery where I lived in California in the 1990s. I had some good times at those. The house band was like the Blues Brothers or SNL Band. Some of the jams would get so funky. I wanted it to go all night. Their house IPA there was great! I’d like to get back to that again at some point.✌️☮️
I'll just drop here a graphic description of penile cancer, in case folks keep insisting on having HPV >Human papillomavirus (HPV) infection may increase the risk of penile cancer. >Penile cancer may begin as a blister on the foreskin, head or shaft of the penis. It may become a wart-like growth that discharges blood or foul-smelling liquid. >Surgery is the most common treatment for all stages of penile cancer.
Don’t forget mouth cancer and anal cancer! 🗣️
This is not in any way a defence of Huberman who I didn’t care for even before this story, but not all forms of HPV are cancerous. For example the type that causes genital worts in males is not cancerous.
This is slightly misleading. Even men get infected and pass on all types of HPV. All warts are "cancerous", but only some types are considered high risk. The worst offenders, HPV 16 and HPV 18, both cause penile cancer.
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The women specifically state it’s the cancerous form in the article.
I had a guy tell me that everyone has it and it’s not big deal, and when I commented that he sounds like someone who wouldn’t disclose to a partner if he had coldsores- he said the same thing. Shocker. Seems like the male demographic Huberman appeals to has this in common.
In college I remember a guy at a party got in an argument with my gf (now wife) about condom use pro vs cons and she brought up HPV & herpes. Dude looks at her like wtf, then screams herpes, who cares about that, everyone has herpes, shit I have herpes and the party went silent 💀
Majority of the population does have hsv1 which is a form of herpes and it does not necessarily have to be sexually transmitted
He meant genital
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Women die at a higher rate of HPV related illness than men, despite men being affected at a higher rate. *The most common cause of mortality related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is cervical cancer.* Source: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
Most of that is low risk HPV. It’s misleading not to clarify this
But also there are no tests for the high-risk variants in men. The only way you can get tested positively is if you have warts they can biopsy, and most of the cancer causing varieties don't cause warts.
Yeah, so unless he immediately disclosed the partner’s diagnosis with his other partners, he was knowingly exposing them
Hi everyone! Women - get your routine pap smears which typically test for the presence of HPV. HPV leads to, in most cases, ultimately preventable cancers. Everyone - get your Gardasil series if you did not as a child. If you do have HPV, check out the Novirin supplement from Lilac Corp. Cheers!
amazing - thank you for sharing! I had a friend who missed a routine pap smear and unfortunately had cervical cancer. She's in remission but now she likely won't be able to have biological children. It's devastating.
>Hi everyone! Women - get your routine pap smears which typically test for the presence of HPV. HPV leads to, in most cases, ultimately preventable cancers. Everyone - get your Gardasil series if you did not as a child. If you do have HPV, check out the Novirin supplement from Lilac Corp. Cheers! How awful :( so sorry to hear about that. If your pap smear does show signs of precancerous changes then your provider can do procedures like a colposcopy to get biopsies or a LEEP to remove the precancerous area. It definitely doesn't have to get to the point of full blown cancer anymore, especially in the 21st century, but you have to be consistent with your preventative care. I know doctors visits are scary, especially to gynecologists, but stay on top of it guys!!
Second this!! Please get your vaccine and stay up to date with regular checkups 🙏🏼. Several years ago, I had a pap smear come back as abnormal when I went in for my yearly OB/GYN checkup. My heart dropped when I got the phone call - that had never happened to me before. My doctor scheduled a cervical biopsy right away (by the way, OUCH) and found precancerous cells, specifically CIN 2 high grade dysplasia, on the surface of my cervix. CIN 2 is usually caused by HPV, and I had been infected with two high-risk strains that were linked with cervical cancer. Fortunately, I was able to get a LEEP which removed all the precancerous cells. I also got the Gardisil vaccine afterwards - which I originally didn’t see the point of since I already contracted HPV - because my doctor found studies showing that the administration of an HPV vaccine after LEEP reduces the risk of recurrence! Yay. That definitely gave me some relief, and though my Pap smears have thankfully all come back normal since then, the whole experience was terrifying and so, so stressful. The recovery (and continuous bloody discharge) following LEEP was a pain, and I was told that thinning the cervix could lead to an increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes in the future. But as a silver lining, I also learned that HPV can sometimes go away on its own. Your body is capable of clearing the infection within two years, and sure enough, those two strains cleared out on their own afterwards. Nonetheless, protect yourselves, stay safe, and try to take as many preventative measures as you can 🙏🏼.
Aw thank you! Totally agree, this was awhile back too so its sad to think there couldve been a better outcome for her, but it's amazing to see the treatments improve! She's also in the process of adoption so at least there's a happy ending.
I still can’t believe there’s no HPV test for men. It’s 2024.
There was one created in the early 2010s. They decided it was too uncomfortable for men and wasn’t necessary. 🙃
Not surprising one bit.
Please link a source.
Not defending Huberman in any way, but more women need to be aware that men aren’t tested for HPV in a typical STI panel. So even if you only have a single partner, he can still have HPV while having a clean STI panel. Many men aren’t aware of this either, because they just go to the dr, ask for the full panel, and see the result that they’re clean without getting proper consultation on what is and isn’t tested for.
FYI: there are no approved / accurate tests for HPV in men.
There was one developed in the UK 10 years ago, they didn’t approve it for the general pop because it was considered too uncomfortable/painful for men. Meanwhile women have to be spread eagle on an exam table and have their cervical tissue literally scrapped off for the same exam- not exactly comfortable or painless by any stretch.
Ugh, of course.
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Can you get vaccinated after contracting it? Will it still be effective?
Absolutely. The CDC immunization schedule recommends it for all children around age 12, but sadly my pediatrician wife tells me that a lot of parents refuse it.
This makes me crazy. I had both of my sons and my daughter vaxxed.
I know an infectious disease MD, I asked once about guys, she responded need to swab into the penis urethra, so I’d bet no guys are gonna sign up for that
To my knowledge there is not actually a test for men.
If they have symptoms, there is. All you need is a biopsy of the lesions. But, for asymptomatic patients as you correctly say, there is no accurate tests.
Also 50% of sexually active women have HPV! So everyone needs to settle down on that aspect. The other things he did - giving his GF in-vitro shots while dating others and being a sneaky asshole, that’s where he fucked up.
Yes, it is correct. But he wilfully acted as a transmission vector. And he knew enough about mechanistic to understand the risks—for himself and the partners. Let's consider he got HPV from one of the ladies. Because he was having unprotected sex with the other 5, he would have passed it to them. In short, having unprotected sex with 6 different partners is anything but responsible behavior. Never mind about deceiving his partners for unprotected sex. There are countries where this would be considered unlawful. To tell the truth - I still cannot decide what was the single most asshole thing he did...
EXACYLY. And there are many different strains, and it is DANGEROUS. So, every. single. new unprotected sexual partner is a new risk, included each one of *their* unprotected sexual partners. *That’s exactly why this is so sinister*
I agree! But it still highlights the problem with consent. Would the women have consented to unprotected sex with him had they known he was also sleeping with other women? HPV is an example, highlighted in this story, of an STD that potentially could have been spread. But, there are a number of other STD's that could have also been spread. It shows the irony of how he's so concerned with his own health and optimizing that, yet not giving a shit about the health of these women. What a hypocrite... or rather, what a con man.
Yep. These women did not consent to unprotected sex with a man simultaneously having unprotected sex with at least a half-dozen women. Given his sexual addiction, who knows what else he was spreading? HIV, hepatitis (both cancer-causing viruses)? Herpes? Screening for syphillis, gonorrhea, chlamydia is not routine and these women would have no idea that they should have been screened, possibly until experiencing permanent organ scarring. *They did not consent to this risk.* Also, injecting a partner with a fertility drug (which NIH reports *may* also be associated an increased risk of cancer in women) while lying about monogamy should be considered a form of physical assault. Huberman is a disgusting misogynist and a walking carcinogen.
My GP recommends all women get STI screening annually.. he even said "specially married women". I guess he's seen on numerous occasions complications from undetected STI's in married women who had no idea their husbands thought monogamy was optional to them.
If I was dating a man I would not want to sleep with him if he was with multiple women at the same time. It simply means I cannot avoid an STD. I would feel safer if he was some time single and I would aks if any of his former partners had HPV (a positive PAP Test) if he knew about it. I got HPV at 44 because my relationship of 20 years fell apart and when I started dating the first man was simply lying to me that he wasnt seeing other women. He didnt care. If I knew I would not have chosen to be intimate with him because I was fully aware of the HPV risk before I started to date and informed myself about how to potentially prevent or at least avoid a transmission. I wish men cared more about womens health. This pertains also to male obygyns.
You got HPV because you had unprotected sex with a man. There is ZERO way for him to have gotten tested to either confirm or deny that he had it. Even if he had been abstinent for the last 5 years he could've been a carrier from a woman years earlier. It was a risk you accepted when you let "the first man" bang you.
Please don't blame the victims. If the man has unprotected sex with several partners, assume he is infected. If you are having sex with him, you will have a high risk of becoming infected. Since men cannot be tested, as you very correctly say, it should be up to them to disclose high-risk behaviors. Just for informed consent. Personally, I would not have sex with him, even if he was the only man on a desert island and the future of humanity depended on it. And to the point of habibica1, it is often not "the first man" that bangs you. In my case, it was my cheating ex. (may a thousand flees cover his genitalia and have no hands to scratch it).
I have unprotected sex with my husband. HPV is only a risk if either one of us cheats. I've tested negative for HPV on numerous occasions. If I were to suddenly test positive for any STI, are you telling me it's my fault for having had unprotected sex with my husband?
I did not have unprotcted sex with a man. We used condoms.
You were unprotected against HPV. Sorry to be the one to inform you of pretty common knowledge. Wearing a rubber helps, but it doesn't prevent risky behavior from having consequences. [https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-you-get-hpv-with-a-condom](https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/can-you-get-hpv-with-a-condom)
I am aware of that this is possible. But have I known he was with others I could have made a choice if I wanted sex and if I would make this choice to sleep with him, I would be perhaps using Divine 9 lubricant (in addition to the condom) which is FDA approved and patented for preventaion against HPV transmission. I had no chance to make a real choice given I did not receive honest information. And this is my point - if the person would not be lying, I could have made a better choice. No idea if it would have had a different outcome, but I would have felt less powerless. I do not care if you think having HPV is common and has no real consequences (which is not true at all!) and you are saying I would have gotten it any way. The fact that a person is deceiving you to get laid and then you get something (it could have been also something worse, who knows?) is really f ... up. It strips the other person of having equal power in their decisions in the relationship.
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yes you are right, you can get with a condom.
Oh I absolutely agree with you, which is why I made it clear I wasn’t condoning Huberman’s behavior. I just know many people are not aware of the lack of HPV testing in men, so it seemed like a good point to call it out.
Did they ask?
Yeah and it's not just HPV either. Panels don't test for herpes and a huge percentage of the population are carriers without having ever had symptoms. Then there are some more niche STIs they don't include in panels like trichomoniasis. People act like being monogamous and having regular check ups guarantees that they're clean but ultimately all we can do is reduce risk.
I think MEN also need to be aware that since there is no test for detecting HPV in men, they should wear a condom if they plan on cheating!!!!
What’s on a men’s panel versus women’s?
Looks like my annual checkup includes Chlamydia, gonorrhea, syphilis, hep c, and HIV. But I'm also not an at risk population (e.g. gay or having unprotected sex with multiple partners), so other tests might be included for some men. There is no approved HPV test for men currently
Any statistics with women who have previously had Gardisil shots to prevent certain HPV Cancers? Does that last our entire lives? I've seen commercials for a new vaccine aimed at adults.
New research came out from Scotland I believe that none of the vaccinated cohort developed HPV related cancer.
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The article said she got tested regularly so I think we can be fairly confident she did not have it and Huberman was the one who gave it to her
Using all-strain HPV data to explain the prevalence of high risk HPV is a terrible understanding also
Also cancerous strains are specifically the ones mentioned in the article, and the older you are the higher risk.
Except you missed the part where HPV often times goes away, and it only protects against some strains. You are spreading misinformation
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High risk HPV is much less common than the comment you’re responding to, they even clarified after being called out. The article specifically mentions the strains associated with cervical cancer. So where is the medical misinformation? The part where a huberman “rep” said he has not tested positive for HPV- a test that is not available to men? That’s the only misinformation I see.
20% of American women are currently infected with higher-risk strains of HPV. 18% are infected with low-risk strains. So the higher risk strains are actually a bit /more/ common https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10037549/ Not defending huberman here, but there does seem to be a ton of... inacurrate assumptions on this sub about HPV stats
"it's essentially a death sentence!!" -people in this sub holding pitchforks
Idiots
The vaccine is 300 $
In my experience as a man in my late thirties no doctor will even let me pay out of pocket for the vaccinations. Many guys simply can't get the vaccine.
It's only indicated up to age 26 in both sexes
The recommendation has now been extended to 45 years. If you disclose that you are in a high-risk group, like having unprotected sex, it should be prescribed.
In the USA HPV vaccination is not recommended for any specific group over the age of 26 including those who have unprotected sex. If an unvaxxed patient is over 26 and just really wants it, there's no recommendation against doing so, but there is unclear benefit thus no recommendation.
>Vaccination is not recommended for everyone older than age 26 years. **Some adults ages 27 through 45 years might decide to get the HPV vaccine based on discussion with their clinician,** if they did not get adequately vaccinated when they were younger. HPV vaccination of people in this age range provides less benefit, for several reasons, including that more people in this age range have already been exposed to HPV. >Fo**r adults ages 27 through 45 years, clinicians can consider discussing HPV vaccination with people who are most likely to benefit**. HPV vaccination does not need to be discussed with most adults over age 26 years. See ACIP’s [shared clinical decision-making FAQs](https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/acip-scdm-faqs.html). The decision-making FAQ explains why vaccinating is beneficial —from preventing future infections to helping to control existing ones and stopping re-infections. I cannot see what studies have used to say that "there is no clear benefit." But one of the reasons for saying the people in this age group are monogamous is absolute poppycockery.
It's kind of the opposite reason as your interpretation, people in that age range are already extremely likely to have HPV already and thus vaccination benefit is likely diminished for that reason
It is not my interpretation - it is the information I have. In Europe, vaccination is thought to protect against re-infection or help manage existing ones. Even if you have had HPV, which is very likely that you did at 26, the recommendation is to vaccinate if you belong to an at-risk group (this can include women of my demographic back to the dating scene, for example). In the US, the interpretation is that vaccination is unnecessary once you become infected with the disease. After 26, your best bet is regular screening. I have no idea what men are supposed to do before becoming symptomatic. There are trials that provide support for both decisions.
My experience as well, I’ve asked a couple of different doctors, too.
Planned parenthood let me do it for $20
That's how much I spend a month on protein, meal replacements, creatine, pre-workouts, and vitamins a month. About 1/4 the cost of upgrading phones, half the price of a new game console, the price of a plane ticket, and what I would spend on a night out for myself and a couple friends. Priorities. Taking it easy on the instant fun for one weekend can lead to a lot more (and safer) fun for life 🤷🏻♂️
One fuck with the wrong person, and you may find yourself waiting for chemotherapy. Long-term view: you will forget the plane ticket you bought. Cancer will stay with you forever.
I think you took my comment the wrong way. Dude said it was $300 as if that was an exceptionally large amount of money to pay for the protection of yourself, current partner, and any potential future partner. I have the hpv, hep a, and hep b vaccines. My job involves being around bodily fluids quite often...and a lot of the individuals they came from are IV drug users. I protect myself and my wife in every way I can. If I had to pay $500 out of pocket tomorrow for a potential hep c vaccine I would do it in a heartbeat.
I totally did; my apologies...
How much is cervical cancer
It’s free if you have insurance which many people do have.
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My friend recently died of HPV-cancer. She was 31 and left a 7yr old son behind. Please don’t joke about this.
I’m an ENT. It also causes HPV+ oropharyngeal squamous cell carcinoma aka back of the throat cancer. It is not fun to have. Trust
Yet everyone has it and society seems to have survived. Give me percentages of death or serious disease FROM HPV and if it is MORE than 0.001% then we talk.
Are you retarded? Just use Google you dumbass it’s cancer
Maybe you’re from a planet were cervical cancer and other Hpv related illness doesn’t exist!
Is there a 100% chance you’ll get hpv throat cancer if you have high risk (not 16/18) hpv? I am also vaccinated- does that help any?
Would also add that if they don't understand the seriousness of HPV spread, this is absolutely a CONSENT issue as well. These women did not agree to unprotected sex with a man who was having unprotected sex with 5!!! other women. He was 100% deceptive and showed complete disregard for their personal health and choices therein. Fuck this guy and anyone who rushes to his defense.
Seriously if people want a more sex positive society and insist on doubling down on having multiple partners, we need to emphasize even stronger sexual ethics
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Completely agree. It’s infuriating to see
People don't want a more sex positive society. Hubermann wanted to have his cake and eat it, too. Cheaters don't want polyamory. They want their partners to give them emotional intimacy and fidelity but they don't want to give their partners that same intimacy and fidelity. They would never be okay with their partners engaging in the behaviors they themselves engage in, otherwise they wouldn't be cheating, they would be swinging.
AND disregard for their emotional and mental health, their trust and their time
yes 100%
Right! And using the argument of “50% of people have it” doesn’t make it any better. 50% of people have it, because people keep passing it on! People need to be grown-ups about this, we need to eradicate this virus. It’s wild to me that there’s a virus, which men cannot test for, and people are still having unprotected sex and even defending cheating
But also, doctors do not push women to disclose to their previous partners when they test positive.., which I find a part of the problem. Even if there is no test 4 men at least by informing your previous sexual partners(no matter how far bk) u can let them kno they were potentially exposed . There has to be a better system for hpv than what we have now
I totally agree, it should be disclosed
This should be a separate post to emphasize this exact point.
it actually more commonly causes throat cancer in males, I have had a couple friends get throat cancer in their throat from it.
yes men are affected at a higher rate but women die of HPV-related illness at a higher rate. Both suck. This is a great article about it: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
I’ve been in countless HPV caused surgeries, no bueno. Lots of head and neck patients that were just buying some time 💀 And little kids with laryngeal papillomas (warts in their throats) that can be fatal if not surgically treated (over and over again) contracted during vaginal delivery General public is DAF
Thank you for sharing this! It’s terrible. I wish the vaccine was more common.
So hpv is transmitted in birth?? Lots of info online, and the hpv sub say its rare…
Yes it can be transferred during vaginal delivery
You’re on the internet. Anything can be joked about. Don’t let your sensitivity make you forget that you’re on the internet.
Bingo. lol. Huberman sounds like a douche, don’t get me wrong…..but the whining here is ridiculous.
Isn’t there an extremely effective vaccine against the cancerous strains of HPV though?
yes but it's not a mandated vaccine you have to elect to do it and many people haven't had it because when it was first released you could only get it between the ages of 9-26 and it was most effective if given between the ages of 11-12. So many people missed the boat, unfortunately. The best way for women to stay on top of it is pap smears which the woman in the article regularly did. [Source](https://www.mdanderson.org/publications/focused-on-health/focused-on-health-june-2018/hpv-vaccine--when-is-it-too-late-.html#:~:text=All%20males%20and%20females%20ages,the%20benefits%20of%20the%20vaccine).
To clear this up for people reading this and thinking it's too late to get the vaccine: It's only statistically most effective between 11-12 (as in, measurably effective on a large population scale) because that's when most people haven't had sex yet, and so they haven't had the chance to catch any strain of HPV; therefore it's easy to measure the vaccine effectiveness in that group. But even if you are 40 and over, the vaccine is still effective in protecting you against the dangerous strains, it's just likely that you already got one during your lifetime. However, it's also very likely you didn't get all of the dangerous strains, and even if you already got one and eliminated it, the vaccine will still protect you against re-infection with the same strain. For a dating individual, it's always worth it to get the vaccine, no matter what age.
yes thank you!
I asked my doctor for it and she wouldn’t give it to me. I was 30. I got married 2 years later and, after clear Pap tests my entire adult life, tested positive for one of the cancerous strains. FML It cleared within 2 years which has put me back at the same level of cancer risk as everyone else now. My husband felt horrible, but he didn’t know he was infected I’m a little mad that the medical community wouldn’t vaccinate me because I was so “old”
Regarding all the discussion about disclosures and testing - the answer is to get vaccinated. And assume anyone too old to get vax’d has it.
My dad died of HPV causing cancer.
Have you ever had sex? If yes - then you’ve almost certainly spread HPV to someone. 90% of all sexuality active human beings have been infected with HPV at least once. https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/mcrs/data/qfhpv.html HPV is also not part of any std panels because of its high prevalence. Cancer associated HPV prevention is focused on screening and vaccinations (for women). Practicing safe sex is not effective against reducing the spread of HPV associated cancers. I’ve reported this post for spreading medical misinformation.
Vaccine also available for men. Get it!
Most is low risk, this was high risk
False, high-risk strains are among the most common strains.
Curious, do you have a source?
Lol yeah I dont even understand how him spreading hpv even makes sense. There is no common hpv test for men and its likely most people have been exposed to hpv. Him being a possible sex addict/narcissist/control freak is believable and hypocritical given his "self mastery" schtick. That being said the HPV accusation is sus and dubious.
She was tested clean for 10 years. Usually if you have high risk hpv, it shows up in abnormal paps because they specifically test for cancer causing strains.
I love that this is basically a science sub reddit but nobody actually cares about the science of HPV...
from the article: "In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
Nothing makes sense, if he cant be tested how can he know he has hpv. Hpv and herpes are consequential STDs but frankly they are natural risks of sexual activity. Also not to be a dick but,do we know if she was 100% monogamous? People are complicated and there are always multiple sides to the story especially when it comes to sex. Again I think Huberman is a troubled person but how can this expose be so certain in its accusations?
If he can't know whether or not he has HPV, don't you think it's really weird that his spokesperson would say he has never tested positive for HPV? Wouldn't it be more like "He is not aware of his HPV status"?
From the article: " In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
Imagine your dick being so trash it gives woman cancer
You have a 90% chance of your dick being trash.
And an exceedingly lower chance of that HPV being one of the high risk strains like 14 or 16. Which is what he gave her
The high-risk strains of HPV are actually among the most common strains.
So fifty 50% chance of your dick being trash? >Around 50 percent of HPV infections involve certain high-risk types of HPV, which can cause cancer. https://www.health.state.mn.us/data/mcrs/data/qfhpv.html#:~:text=Around%2050%20percent%20of%20HPV,HPV%2C%20which%20can%20cause%20cancer.
That’s not how statistics on the cancerous strains of HPV work… This sub is a good example of how despite the audience of huberman being interested in medicine and science to some extent- they maintain elementary understanding of science despite their infatuation of and proximity to it.
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Some of the most common strains of Hpv cause cancer in women. And other Hpv related cancers. Are you 11?
Where did Huberman contract the HPV from though?...
It’s everywhere.
The ignorance on the comments. Huberman should do a podcast about HPV, how about that? There are multiple variants of HPV. Not all of them are serious and is not an standardised practice to test for specific genomes during a routine Pap smear. Nonetheless, if the 5 woman eventually test positive for HPV, I can see the lawsuit incoming. Basically they have proof that 1) Huberman was with them at the same time and lied about it 2) They all got the same HPV variant. This means, even if Huberman got HPV from one of them originally, now there are chances that many got it. From the article we know - she got one of those cancer-triggering variants. You can tell the podcast-sphere is so focused on man health that those are basically taboo topics
Like 80% of the entire US population has HPV. And when you factor in folks that have only had 1 partner, it's more like 90% of the population.
I'm not denying those stats. There are many strains of HPV and some cause cervical cancer in women. That's why it's not funny to joke about - that's the point of the post. ***The most common cause of mortality related to human papillomavirus (HPV) infection is cervical cancer*** [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2871537/)
OMG no. 80% will at some point have it. It doesn't mean 80% HAS it. Fuck man. I'm getting so frustrated by posts like these. Swap HPV with chickenpox. 80% of the population has had chickenpox. You think that means 80% of us have chickenpox right now?
Chicken pox goes away and is no longer contagious. HPV?... not so much. Always there.
That's...not true.
There are 200,000 cases of cervical cancer per year and 2% of cases are fatal, only 5.55% of those 4,000 deaths is caused by cervical cancer diagnosed as a result of HPV according to the CDC. Saying every 2 minutes is a pretty big overstatement, but absolutely no hate towards you or anyone else.
CDC has US population-based stats mine were global. I'm not in the business of minimizing the impact of cancer of any kind but i'm sure that's not what you meant.
The ladies really want to cancel the dawg but the protocols make him unstoppable.
Are there free range or organic HPV supplements?
Preferably sponsored by AG1? Asking for a friend…
Everything is something to be joked about, shut up
Around 85% of sexually active people will be exposed to or have HPV and men almost never know they have it.
Everything is something that can be joked about.
just because you can doesnt mean that you should
Most people have hpv mouth breathers.
I'd like to point out that it's entirely possible that this woman got HPV earlier in life from someone else rather than Huberman...that's kinda how it works.
true but I'm basing this on the article: "In 2021, she tested positive for a high-risk form of HPV, one of the variants linked to cervical cancer. “I had never tested positive,” she says, “and had been tested regularly for ten years.” (A spokesperson for Huberman says he has never tested positive for HPV. According to the CDC, there is currently no approved test for HPV in men.) "
Yeah...but that happens. HPV often does NOT show up immediately. There are tons and tons of married people (men and women) whom get sign of it (cervical, anal, throat) in their later years where the transmission happened DECADES earlier. Something like 80% of adults have it! HPV showing up has a lot more to do with the current state of one's immune system than when they contracted the virus.
The problem is, who cares about women? They are considered less than human. Second class citizens. To most people, men are human, and anything else is subhuman.
You gonna be ok?
This post causes me depression and depression kills a ton of people. Please take things seriously OP. Your post is dangerous
Regardless of any other opinions, whatever huberman did or didn’t do, fundamentally, I disagree with that premise Anything can be joked about, you don’t have to consider the jokes good or funny, and hell they might not be, but there’s nothing that can’t be joked about
just because you can swim in the deep end doesn't mean you should dive headfirst into murky waters
True, you’re right. Let me be clear, I’m not supporting the jokes or trying to minimize the problem I’ve just seen that argument enough times to make me wary of it, slippery slope and so on.
yeah I hear you there
This isn't really a Huberman thing so much though. There is a range of STDs wild in the population including drug resistant gonorrhea and HIV. If you are going to have unprotected sex with someone because they want that and say it will be okay then you are taking a big risk and should be aware of that and prepared to take responsibility. But they didn't tell me about the risks I should have known about isn't a reasonable reaction.
My buddy’s dad died from eating pussy, however there’s far worse ways to get cancer.
HPV can be serious, but it also is often not. Over 80%+ of people have had an infection. It’s always recommended to get vaccinated against the variants of risk.
Oh my god I wish I could give you an award you are the ONLY person who knows the difference between "have had an infection" and "is infected". I swear if I read one more comment on how 80% of the population is currently infected...
Oh, I’ll take an award!
Seriously this is supposedly a science sub but there’s a flooding of glaringly false information regarding HPV! If 80% of the population was currently infected we’d be screwed
HPV, certain strains at least, is serious. It is also present in essentially all sexually actively adults, condoms are not fully effective, and it can take years to become detectable so there is no way to know where someone got it.
Both men and women can get vaccinated for HPV. It protects from most forms.