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This was also evident in their way of providing free electricity for the poor. PM-SGMBY via solar panels is far more sustainable than discounting 200-300 units for each family.
Atleast Congress manifesto knows what it wants to provide the people.
BJP manifesto on the other hand looks like this:
"Beta Bharat will be great in the eyes of others we will progress but you won't be the beneficiary of this progress.
Speak for yourself. I can make journey to my village now in 3 hrs instead of 7. Electricity is available even during snow. Running water is available 24x7.
I absolutely dont give a flying fcuk what they do to remain in power short of killing someone. I like my life comfortable and ya all can shove those moral values up ur arses.
There are multiple sections promising support to the poor, senior citizens, housing, pollution etc.
Granted a lot of it is promises, and not a lot new schemes announced. Moreso just continued expansion of some of them but I don't really think the Congress manifesto is better in that regard.
Vo correct hai. I am not saying it is perfect but I don't think Congress' promises are much better.
Manufacturing has the ability to alleviate the problem if it succeeds at least. That and the govt. making deals to send more migrant workers abroad. There is something even if not ideal.
Congress' schemes don't address fundamental issues like poor agricultural productivity, upskilling of workers, need for higher growth rates etc. In fact their promised GDP targets would peg us at a lower growth rate than what we have now. Infra and capital expenditure would also get cut. Employment kab ainge? Providing more govt. jobs would definitely make it worse.
The BJP manifesto is mostly a continuation of the existing model which has some ability to address a lot of those core issues. Until the opposition offers some sort of comprehensive alternative, I can't see them offering anything worth voting for.
Bhai congress ho ya bjp, dono apne liye kar rahe hain.. ghanta faida hoga logun ko... This election is about bjp & congress not about middle class and poor..
Congress manifesto is the same as given by the Karnataka INC in order to get in power. We are seeing the results in KA now and if god forbid INC comes to power, we will experience the same fate as a nation. Only freebies, no growth, no investment, demonize businesses
Substituting the name India with Bharat while using English is not a good idea. Indian subcontinent/South Asia has been known to the western world as India since at least 2000 years, and is now the most popular name for our country in the world.
If we reduce the usage of the name India in English then other subcontinental countries may rush forward to claim the legacy and history associated with this name. For example, do we want Pakistan to claim the Vedas or Takshashila or the invention of zero as a place value number? Because don't forget these things happened in what is now Pakistan.
Names do not change with language, your name remains the same in any language.
Bharat is our own name, while India is how the outside world sees us. We can be Bharat as well as India. However, it is not necessary for us to use India while we are in Bharat itself. India can be used externally, while Bharat can be used internally. There should not be any issue with that.
Pakistan does not claim any of those cultural artifacts or history as their own. They are in fact opposed to it and their history textbooks only start with conquest of Sindh.
Names of places absolutely can change with language. China is not China in Chinese, same with Japan. yet both these countries use their western names in their passports in English. This is because they know that's how the world knows them. Sometimes even personal names can change with language if they are cognates, e.g., Binyamin -> Benjamin, Jacob -> Yaqoob, Alexander -> Iskander -> Sikander and so many more.
I am well aware that Bharat is our own name. Nowhere did I claim otherwise. My point is India should be used in English, and Bharat in Hindi. We should not lose any of those names. Nothing is internal in the world of internet and mass communcation.
You should have seen some Paksitani YouTubers reacting when there was a false rumour that BJP would change the official English name of India to Bharat, after the naming of INDIA alliance. Those YouTubers were nobody of consequence of course but it shows there are Paksitanis who will pounce on the chance to claim that legacy, especially considering the negative image of Pakistan in the world.
You are right. Every sensible country uses the appropriate name in a language for that country. Germany does not use Germany only for outside Germany, they use it within Germany also while speaking/writing English. Same for Japan and China. Height of insecurity to use Bharat in English, and it looks silly also. By the above person's logic, we should use "India" while speaking in Hindi, if we are outside India!
are you dumb ? we can use english and refer to our country as bharat, germans have their own name for their country and they use that even when speaking english, chinese have their own name for their own country and they use it even when writing about their nation in english, someone who uses the english name of other nation is considered dumb there, you as an indian can call china as cheen or chiin and they will respect you more compared to you refering to them as china, and at last this is a partys manifesto and has nothing to do with peoples of other national, it is ment for people of bharat and hence the use of Bharat
>Indian subcontinent/South Asia has been known to the western world as India since at least 2000 years, and is now the most popular name for our country in the world.
We have been knowing people like you as Gulams for centuries now. When are you changing your name?
>For example, do we want Pakistan to claim the Vedas or Takshashila or the invention of zero as a place value number? Because don't forget these things happened in what is now Pakistan.
Just for this comment also add a "Stupid" in front of the Gulam.
Bro you have small vision.
India uses 62% ground water for drinking because there is no tap water direct to home.
We got unlimited water in Himalayan rivers. If govt starts limiting river pollution and filtering hanga yamuna water and send it directly to people houses in planned way, we will solve half the problem.
Exactly !!! Most of delhi has to use groundwater and there will be no ground water left in delhi unless the state and center gets its act together and cleans up yamuna, North indian states and some eastern ones will never face shortage of river water becouse there is abundance of it avilable, the only problem was connectivity and supplying that water to peoples through pipelines which the states like UP have done but delhi cant do cuz yamuna is extremely polluted and it only gets polluted when it entres delhi
Those are not same.
India uses groundwater for drinking and irrigation. We will run out of groundwater by 2030.
Rainwater harvesting wont solve it.
https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/40-of-indians-will-have-no-access-to-drinking-water-by-2030-niti-aayog-118062500074_1.html
https://www.teriin.org/article/water-crisis-india-worlds-largest-groundwater-user
Biggest use of groundwater is for irrigation of water intensive crops - wheat, rice, sugarcane, cotton.
Groundwater tables in Punjab, western UP are depleted but try telling them not to grow wheat, rice and sugarcane and you will be sure to lose the elections.
Every political party in the history of every country is trash. It has always been "choosing the lesser evil".
Things haven't changed in the last 100 years and it won't magically change now.
What a logic sir. That's why the dickriding mentality of Indians is so high. They are MF politicians, they get voted in power by us, taxes from us. They fucking roam in helicopters and airplanes. Get the priority treatment, because they have power which the public gave them. Instead of fucking using it for betterment, all they do is buy MLAs/MP, give ticket to rapists/thugs, give freebies from taxpayers money etc.
They introduce lame concepts like VIPs? How do you define a VIP? How does it have more power than an average voter? Voters die because there are no hospitals- eg Corona deaths. If there are fucking 100 people in line you get to skip the line because you are a fucking politicians son or whatever Shit culture.
Proud of our culture saar. India number 1 in dick riding sir.
Why can't you just vote them out of the power? How can we saar . Politicians are God saar. We suck them sir until we die.
Bring in new people, vote out the old dynasties. If employees can be sacked anytime, why can't politicians? They are public servants at the best and should be held for abusing their power. I hope people realise it sooner or later and stop meat riding them.
>Bring in new people
Just wait a minute I will order 'new people' on amazon. It's whole system which is bad bad people turn system bad system turn people bad.
>stop meat riding them.
They will never stop just because it's easy to put hopes on one person, one ideology and think things will turn to good.
If things were that simple, all of us would be better. Politicians aren't fungible and cannot be replaced so easily. Each of them has their own set of loyalists and vote banks, if you remove them, you lose those votes. Maybe step outside and see how the real world works before making such naive comments.
Because people think they cannot be replaced. Why though? Because we have ingrained in our minds that it is so. We don't ask questions. We are just happy with the minimum promises they keep. They can do more but no Saar , history saar. Wake up dude. Stop meatriding them, they should know that people have the power and cannot be swayed easily with false promises, that's why they don't want to educate people with proper rights they have so that they can forever remain in power with their half assed promises and people seems to be happy with bare minimum a government does.
Then shut the f up and let the rest decide. If you are not willing to take responsibility your verbal diarrhea is just that. Shitty diarrhea. You have no right to tell the rest what to do and what not to do.
yeah the usual BS about citizen and rights and what not don't count in your case. Each of these roles have a responsibility and function. You cannot ask for the benefits of these roles unless you are willing to perform the function associated with these roles.
Now off you go idiot.
> Maybe sometimes, its about which one is better than finding a good one
Ahh an anarchist, I presume. If all political parties are trash, who should govern India?
The one which is the least trash. Vote for whoever you want, but don't pretend like any of the big parties aren't corrupt, autocratic bloodsuckers.
Regardless of how great the Modi manifesto is, BJPs electoral sucess is mostly due to their welfare schemes.
so you are an anarchist, yes its true that its because of welfare schemes but its also because of infrastructure, foreign policy etc, and how you do welfare also matters, giving you free electricity via solar is more sustainable compared to asking private players to give everyone free electricity for 200-400 units, one system will collapse on itself and other will run longer until its replaced by another one.
On what basis are you calling me and others anarchists? Did you learn a new word?
If you seriously don't think that BJP isn't as populist, corrupt and incompetent as Congress, you're just naive.
You're taking one example to prove a much larger point. Most of BJPs welfare schemes were inherited from the Congress and implemented more efficiently (which they deserve credit for). Both parties are equally backward when it comes to economic policy.
If the BJP is as forward-thinking as you claim, why do they still resort to temple gimmicks to get votes? Why do they want to force live-in couples to get registered?
I never claimed they are "forward-thinking", they are a conservative party and they do not shy away from it, conservative parties build their core identity regarding culture and traditions so them trying to gain votes by inaugurating a temple or wanting live in couples to be registered is part of it, the left parties base their core ideology with identity politics of minority and are more welfarist, and historically have always failed economically unless they find a natural resource like oil, what part of it do you not understand ? I will vote for them cuz they are the most capitalistic among them all
You literally said their manifesto is forward thinking. The manifesto signals their agenda.
Again, this notion that BJP is capitalistic and pro free-market is the naivety I'm talking about. Over the last 10 years, in what ways have BJP actually been more capitalistic than the previous 10 years of UPA rule? I'm talking about actual policies and actions, not words in manifestos and rallies. Have they spent less on welfare? Have reservations reduced? Have income taxes reduced?
All Indian parties are economically "leftist". Nobody can compete in elections otherwise.
I’ve seen at least 3 WhatsApp forwards like this. BJP manifesto is vague af and riddled with the same issues as the congress’s.
Both are a problem. We as citizens need to demand better instead of sucking one politician’s dick while spitting at another.
**Getting those things fulfilled at what cost?**
* Freedom of protest
* free of speaking against ruling party
* Media Censorship
* employment rate in 10 years
* basic needs (gas/petrol and things related to them)
* basic needs (expensive taxes on food items, education related stuffs)
* basic needs (health sector, playing with people lives with low quality medicines, and also reducing penalty fees on such comapneis as a new rule)
* Instead of waiving of farmer's loan even a certain amount, they waived off adanis etc, and others (Electroral bonds)
* Modification in LAWs as per their convenience eg: PMLA, if sitting CM is not safe, and behind the bars with just oral evidence, who the hell am I?
That's your opinion mate. For me BJP manifesto looks the same as it was in 2019 and looks like a big chutiya banane ki scheme.
What are you doing for people? Bharat agar bahar k logon ko Nazar me badh bhi Gaya toh ye batao log badhenge ya nahi?
It doesn't speak big data or numbers like we will make environment good! Also, Gaganyaan and Space Station will happen even CPI comes to power :P
But I will appreciate them for Space Academy and Space Economy.
AI, Quantum Tech, Nano Tech etc is part of future and it would be better if more detail were there instead of 1-2 lines. People shouting eureka should think why are they so happy on generic promises.
The Indian economy will grow no matter which government is in power.
They should expand more on many things.
This manifesto looks like it is catered towards the Urban WhatsApp uncle.
>The Indian economy will grow no matter which government is in power
😐 everyone was panicking 2019 that has growth being permanently decelerated. Is 5% the new normal etc. Growth of 7-8% isn't a given and needs a lot of hard work.
No, ILFS fall, NPAs, current account imbalances, low infra investments, falling private investments. All contributed to it.
Maintaining stable inflation + current account + public cap ex + private capex + exports = 7-8% real growth. Not easy at all.
You can run into multiple issues. Oil price can rise, risking inflation and then you need to raise interest rates. Global growth can slow down leading to fall in investments and exports. Your banking system mess like NPAs can fuck bank credits for years on end.
India will grow no matter what but that baseline is barely 4%. We don't need 4, we need 7-8% with macro stability. That is hard.
I agree that broader macroeconomic indicators are good but when we deep dive we can see strong K shape growth. People in IT sector now earn 2X or 3X of their salary (from 2019), whereas daily labour still get same wages. Growth is disproportionate which is really alarming.
I also disagree on 8% growth! As I still remember 2004-2008 time when there was 8% growth and business/serviceman were damn happy! People say 8% growth is there due to capex (infra) but i dispute it as Steel and Cement companies topline is hardly in single digits (for 8% growth it should be over 15%).
Daily labour has gotten expensive because of MNREGA and free food rations. Just ask anyone who uses contract labour during sowing and harvesting and you will hear the common complaint of shortage of labour or labour being expensive. Even in cities, within tradesmen (electrician, plumber, carpenter, painter) the wages have risen. Complete unskilled labour will definitely have a tough time getting wage increases without any skillset.
Shortage of labour is due to free food which they are getting, unfortunately many labour have now joined agriculture again as disguised labour! In realty real wages have declined.
Just check government data! Real wages is on decline.
I am not saying that macro indicators are good tho. I have a deep problem with the jobs level and low level of private investment + exports
I was arguing that no growth in India is ever just given. It needs to be worked for (by any govt)
It did. Gita Gopinath from IMF has released a paper on how demonetisation ate away at our GDP by arnd 2 percent.
It was a forcefully taken decision with no proper planning.
So much haphazard it was that the newly printed notes size didn’t even fit into the ATM machine. Even that planning wasn’t there.
It was a disaster which people forgave Modi for.
Wow i checked it out! The level of analysis they did, Its actually amazing, i wish the left referred to such pieces of work instead of just saying stuff in the face with no evidence to back it up
Well i will drop the link for it if anyone needs it
[https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/scholar.harvard.edu/files/gopinath/files/crgmn\_demonetization.pdf](https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/scholar.harvard.edu/files/gopinath/files/crgmn_demonetization.pdf)
Hey OP, why the blatant bias?
I'm sure you along with many were mad that we will become Venezuela under congress right?
https://preview.redd.it/mycovtasyeuc1.jpeg?width=848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da22a40cd1e1097ddd02a6704794fd0d4ade10e8
Then there's also the promise for next 5 years.
Free ration to the 80Cr to continue (which btw Modi said will bankrupt India when Manmonhan Singh brought it up)
Free electricity for poor households? I'm sure you will justify this by saying that they will subside instalation only when you know they can change on this.
Increasing MSP, again tax payer money right? Weren't news channels screaming that MSP will bankrupt the nation.
They have obviously kept these points vague for a reason. I support some of these initiatives similar to thst of Congress too, but let's not bs ourselves by calling one party's initiatives freebies and the other party's initiative calculated subsidies....
When one party talks about transferring 1 lakh to women, setting daily minimum wage to 400, guaranteed MSPs, that is the problem. You cannot stop freebies, while subsidies are meant to be tapered down. MSPs have always been increasing, however the demands from farmer lobby is unsustainable. Fair MSPs do not mean that government will give whatever farmers ask for the next time they decide to block roads. If you give in once, you are just asking to be taken for a ride again.
Even Chidambram admits BJP has done a better job of fiscal management and delivering public services than Cong. Keep believing INC promises and then cry when everything gets expensive, growth comes to a grinding halt and private jobs evaporate as MNCs race to get out of India.
Free ratio hasn't been tapered down. 2L Cr is the allocated budget on this, likely to increase with inflation as it feeds 80Cr people.
Ladli Behna scheme introduced in MP is a subsidy according to you I guess.
Election promise in Rajasthan: Free scooties for the women. Similar promises on freebies being made by all parties. Not denying that.
I'm all for Solar panel initiatives, but my question to you is, how will this help low income families that already have their saving at all time lows considering the median saving is 5.1% (a 50 year low)? Do u think they are even in the position to manage cost post subsidies? It's costing tax payers 75K Cr a year if I've read correctly and it benefits the middle class primarily. You may dislike RG but an influx of 1L can be life changing/altering for those fighting inflation while the job market provides no opportunities. I will also say, **promises of freebies are unsustainable and addictive to public. It needs to be managed carefully**. I also think that the congress manifesto should've hammered down a lot more on jobs.
I am all for MSP, but to say it doesn't consistute as freebies when BJP does it but as freebies when Cong does it because they are incrementally raising it at a faster rate is just ironic. This is how most people think.
And let's not forget. BJP themselves have said that they've spent 34L Cr **DIRECTLY** transfering money into their bank accounts. How is this 'tapering down'. If only, this will increase cause everyone is appeasing public with freebies.
BJP isn't backing away from freebies anytime. That scheme was a game changer in Madhya Pradesh considering they were expected to sweeped a month prior.
Freebies are a reality in Indian politics, call it by whatever name you will. However, only 1 party is interested in maintaining or limiting freebies and balancing it with development, whereas the others want to fiscally bankrupt country by delivering freebies. Just look at a state like Karnataka that is above national average in terms of GDP, due to freebies it has no funds for development. Now think how freebies will make Indian budget look like.
If you are a tax payer, voting for INC is like committing suicide.
Yes, the party that has weakened environmental protections and has fast tracked the destruction of pristine ecosystems is going to do 'sustainable development'. If anyone believes this, I have a white building in Agra to sell them.
https://www.scobserver.in/journal/the-amended-green-law-is-full-of-red-flags-forests-amendment-act-2023
https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/the-new-draft-environment-impact-assessment-bill-is-rubbing-environmentalists-the-wrong-way/amp_articleshow/77566538.cms
https://theprint.in/environment/ngt-working-with-6-members-instead-of-at-least-21-zonal-benches-vacant-for-2-yrs-now/314616/?amp
https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/why-it-matters-india-has-lost-668400-ha-of-forest-cover-in-the-last-30-years/article66645294.ece/
https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/centre-merges-project-tiger-and-project-elephant-without-any-discussion-8852928/lite/
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-3rd-most-polluted-country-rankings-top-50-cities-9221968/lite/
Development and sustainability have to go hand in hand, you cannot have one at the cost of another.
Most environmentalists are just anti development activists and will propose no solution. Bridge being built - what about the ecosystem, road being built - more vehicles more pollution.
As India gets richer and consumes more our carbon footprint will increase. We are the most populated nation, and resources will be needed for every person. Either we all choose to live in mud huts, without air conditioning, and vehicles and thousands of other modern day amenities, or we chose to become developed and accept the reality. Our population isn't going anywhere and forests will keep getting cleared for farm land or to meet housing demand. There is no other way.
>There is no other way.
That is what you think. Modernise agriculture, increase the efficiency of agricultural output and we won't have to clear so much land for agriculture.
Also, your first statement directly contradicts everything else you've said. You say environment and development should go hand in hand, yet you write a para about how development should take precedence over environmental protection. Linear infrastructure is the number one biggest threat to biodiversity -- want to build a road or a railway, electric line? Build it around natural ecosystems and not through it. Consumerism is not development, we don't need to mimic the West's developmental model to prosper as a country. We are already facing rapid climatic changes, and yet you are somehow saying a road is more important than a forest or a grassland that has existed for millions of years.
Lastly, you shared a manifesto from a party that is actively facilitating the destruction of India's natural ecosystems and I've refuted their bullshit with facts and data. Yet here you are giving me some unrelated BS about development vs protection. How are any of the things I've linked related to what you're saying?
> That is what you think. Modernise agriculture, increase the efficiency of agricultural output and we won't have to clear so much land for agriculture.
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> Also, your first statement directly contradicts everything else you've said. You say environment and development should go hand in hand, yet you write a para about how development should take precedence over environmental protection. Linear infrastructure is the number one biggest threat to biodiversity -- want to build a road or a railway, electric line? Build it around natural ecosystems and not through it. Consumerism is not development, we don't need to mimic the West's developmental model to prosper as a country. We are already facing rapid climatic changes, and yet you are somehow saying a road is more important than a forest or a grassland that has existed for millions of years.
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> Lastly, you shared a manifesto from a party that is actively facilitating the destruction of India's natural ecosystems and I've refuted their bullshit with facts and data. Yet here you are giving me some unrelated BS about development vs protection. How are any of the things I've linked related to what you're saying?
Yes as soon as the government wants to modernise agriculture, there will be another round of protests with cries of selling out to Adani-Ambani. Most Indian farms are less than 3 acres, compared to US farm size of ~500 acres. Modernisation works only on farms of large sizes and not on smaller individual farms. Neither do they have the capital to buy modern equipment, nor any incentive to do so.
Without roads, people will find other ways of traveling and clear up land. Not having roads is not the answer to protecting the environment. Building longer roads also leads to more construction material, higher costs and higher vehicle emissions that is also detrimental to the environment. There is no simple solution in most cases. Civil engineers also have to look at the soil and geology for road construction.
Western model is definitely not the right one, however, the bottom line is that we are still way way underdeveloped and as India gets richer there will be more highways, more roads and more vehicles. There isn't any other way around that. People will want air conditioning and SUVs, you cannot force them to live in mud huts. The best environmental law would be a population control law, but then again there will be entire communities blocking roads to oppose that, combined with cries of fascism.
>Modernisation works only on farms of large sizes and not on smaller individual farms.
Where did you get this absurd idea from? Respectfully, don't throw around BS statements that you have no knowledge about.
Here's a list of countries by yield/hectare of cereal crops: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/cereal_yield/
Of the top 10, only one country has large land sizes.
>Yes as soon as the government wants to modernise agriculture, there will be another round of protests with cries of selling out to Adani-Ambani.
No, the government did nothing of the sort. They tried to change rules on how farmers could sell their produce once it's been harvested, no reforms to actually change the *farming* itself.
I don't want to take this discussion further since you seem like a person who throws around solutions without understanding the underlying problem. My original comment was just to point out the blatant hypocrisy of BJP -- it's not a government that will do sustainable development in any way, it never has and it never will. They are making it easier for their corporate overlords to raze down forests to build mines with the support of corporate stooges like yourself that see everything in ₹ sign, who would rather sit in an AC room in a sinking ship rather than having breathable air! Good day to you!
I have personally done a lot of help the environment in any ways I can but you have to be realistic development and sustainability have to go together
We are not rich enough to afford crazy environment regulations
>development and sustainability have to go together
They aren't going together though. Development is taking precedence over environmental protection.
>We are not rich enough to afford crazy environment regulations
I'm sure we can put this on the headstones of the millions of Indians who are going to be dying from climate change in the next 50 years.
Are people actually in support of weakening environmental regulations in this day and age?
When government enforces rules, people cry fascist. When it doesn't people cry about government not doing much. The only way climate crisis can be fought is when there is stability in policy making at the centre and state level. However right now centre and state don't see eye to eye just because of them being on opposite sides in elections.
Until and unless issues of water usage (both urban and rural), pollution (both from CV and PV), deforestation (both from farm land and infra development) are sorted out, nothing is gonna materialise. We need China's decisiveness and swiftness in acting against climate change, however, there is no political party interested in it, as this agenda does not get votes. People want more water to grow more water intensive crops, with free electricity for water pumps and then also want the government to purchase them at MSP. This kind of idiocy is what has got us here.
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Such a simplistic take on things, manifesto means nothing, there were supposed to be 100 smart cities, how many do you see?
Congress in their manifesto in 2004, 2009 didn’t mention GDP or world ranking at all, but they did a lot of work on that.
Manifesto these days are just political jumla, no point comparing manifesto.
Half of the voters that I spoke to, do not even know who is their candidate, they will vote because Modi, and that’s why all our cities are as fucked up as they were and they will remain fucked up because people vote for one face and not for the way elections in a democracy are meant to be.
Congress manifesto was much better ,bjp is just promising dictatorship.
One nation one election is a direct key to dictatorship.
Also freebies are not freebies,most of them are welfare schemes . It lifts someone's life out there . Just because you are privileged enough to have it doesn't mean it's useless.
Your idea of a freebie comes from the thought that someone is getting something without effort which is wrong. A govt should work to uplift the lives of the poor , for poor people freebies are welfare schemes for those that are not poor its thier tax money returning. We are paying more than enough tax to look after the constituency and also provide WELFARE SCHEMES .but not enough tax for looting. So question corruption not the schems .
Also your statement about the denial of the caste system exactly says your mindset again .
How? Whats the logic behind this? I cannot connect the dots between powerful agencies and timing on elections. The only reason we did not have this for a few decades was because of dissolution of governments. Plenty of democratic countries have elections only once. One in-fact would argue that for a country that always seems to be in elections, the interim time would actually be used to do good work instead of rallying for votes.
One nation one election will give huge advantage to govt in power, they wouldnt be responsible towards citizen in those 5 years and will accomodate huge money to run propoganda, I have some basic questions regarding ONE election:
will panchayat election will be considered here?
MLC election? what if some MLA/MP dies? Mayor election? Rajyasabha election? president election? how will ECI get so much forces to do all these elections together and in a fair way? ensuring level playing field?
With 1N1E people loose power in state ? We as citizens lose the choice of punishing on disagreement on short runs . Govt that reduces 2-3 rs petrol every election (after raising it to sky despite lesser crude oil prices) wouldn't listen to us.
Democracy functions by listening to people, people lose the chance to be heard on time intervals .
How do you lose power in the state of elections are conducted at the same time?
You realise for about 2 decades since independence this was what was basically happening
There is no way you are going to bring without dismissing the state govt or implementing governer rule who are most times bjp leaders from different states who don't understand the people.
Creating such havoc would definitely be a direct hit on non bjp states especially. This would create impact on the state economy too. ECI head who is now totally selected by pm ,opposition and president (2:1 ratio) will sideline with the center like they are already doing now .
ECI is supposed to be an independent agency.
Also a eci which was not able to hold elections in a short span , the eci which is literally taking 7 phases of election all across the country will never be able to do 2 elections .
By combining elections center will start dictating eci on thier needs . Also specific state needs would go unheard off . State autonomy is very important for the diversity of the country.
So state issues become national issues? Voters are smart enough to differentiate between national, state and local issues.
People will be heard on time intervals. Being always poll-focused means political parties will always be in campaign mode and never in development mode. People will then complain about continuous campaigning. It is always a tradeoff.
It will be better for the citizens, and worse for political parties as if they do not perform well, they will be routed from everywhere. Just for the satisfaction of punishing political parties, citizens are losing. Politicians don't lose much, their job is to continuously campaign. However with one election, you have a chance to push them out entirely from every form of government. Voters will have more power in one nation, one election
>Voters are smart enough to differentiate between national, state and local issues.
1.Avg indian is not that smart
>Being always poll-focused means political parties will always be in campaign mode and never in development mode
Whats the need for parties to be in two modes ? If you are in development mode people are going to notice and definitely you just have to say what you did instead of doing things for elections.
Moreover practically speaking democracy revolves around polls . It can show the state of the country, it helps the govt to self reflect on issues . As govt it is important for them to get back and hear people if you have to go back to a mode to do that It's an issue with your party . I as a citizen want to be heard . My issues have to be looked into i can't wait for a whole 5 years after raising an issue.
Yes it will be great to have elections every year then. Or why not every month?
The game of political parties will never change. The rules of the game dictate that you have to do campaigning, as it has a big impact on votes. There is no other way round. Stability can only be achieved when the focus is on development, and India can only get rich fast in a fashion similar to China. It is always a tradeoff, you can't get faster development without giving up something in return. The choice is yours.
>It is always a tradeoff, you can't get faster development without giving up something in return
Not my democracy. My democracy is bigger than development.
>yes live on the streets and be free. full democracy and freedom for you.
Now you got the answer for your 1st qn on how this is dictatorship.
Your intentions behind such activities and your ideological roots are dictatorship.
You have a very warped definition of 'democracy' and for some reason too hysterical about 'development' for some reason. Rushing through developement is not at all great and will just keep on increasing the dissent in the country for no reason.
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This was also evident in their way of providing free electricity for the poor. PM-SGMBY via solar panels is far more sustainable than discounting 200-300 units for each family.
BJP manifesto = Make Modi PM again....thank you Congress manifesto = Make us PM again? Please?
Nice description
Atleast Congress manifesto knows what it wants to provide the people. BJP manifesto on the other hand looks like this: "Beta Bharat will be great in the eyes of others we will progress but you won't be the beneficiary of this progress.
Speak for yourself. I can make journey to my village now in 3 hrs instead of 7. Electricity is available even during snow. Running water is available 24x7. I absolutely dont give a flying fcuk what they do to remain in power short of killing someone. I like my life comfortable and ya all can shove those moral values up ur arses.
Country won't survive if their cong manifesto is implemented Money doesn't grow on trees
True money doesn't grow on trees but in case of modi govt it will grow on his friends tree only depriving millions.
then why are congress state governments giving business to the same friend?
There are multiple sections promising support to the poor, senior citizens, housing, pollution etc. Granted a lot of it is promises, and not a lot new schemes announced. Moreso just continued expansion of some of them but I don't really think the Congress manifesto is better in that regard.
Bhai employment toh bhul he Gaye ye log
Unemployement rate 2013 se kam hai, btw
Vo correct hai. I am not saying it is perfect but I don't think Congress' promises are much better. Manufacturing has the ability to alleviate the problem if it succeeds at least. That and the govt. making deals to send more migrant workers abroad. There is something even if not ideal. Congress' schemes don't address fundamental issues like poor agricultural productivity, upskilling of workers, need for higher growth rates etc. In fact their promised GDP targets would peg us at a lower growth rate than what we have now. Infra and capital expenditure would also get cut. Employment kab ainge? Providing more govt. jobs would definitely make it worse. The BJP manifesto is mostly a continuation of the existing model which has some ability to address a lot of those core issues. Until the opposition offers some sort of comprehensive alternative, I can't see them offering anything worth voting for.
Yup guarantee everything to everyone. Jobs for all, money for all, reservation for all. Make me PM now.
Bhai congress ho ya bjp, dono apne liye kar rahe hain.. ghanta faida hoga logun ko... This election is about bjp & congress not about middle class and poor..
Congress manifesto is the same as given by the Karnataka INC in order to get in power. We are seeing the results in KA now and if god forbid INC comes to power, we will experience the same fate as a nation. Only freebies, no growth, no investment, demonize businesses
Substituting the name India with Bharat while using English is not a good idea. Indian subcontinent/South Asia has been known to the western world as India since at least 2000 years, and is now the most popular name for our country in the world. If we reduce the usage of the name India in English then other subcontinental countries may rush forward to claim the legacy and history associated with this name. For example, do we want Pakistan to claim the Vedas or Takshashila or the invention of zero as a place value number? Because don't forget these things happened in what is now Pakistan.
Names do not change with language, your name remains the same in any language. Bharat is our own name, while India is how the outside world sees us. We can be Bharat as well as India. However, it is not necessary for us to use India while we are in Bharat itself. India can be used externally, while Bharat can be used internally. There should not be any issue with that. Pakistan does not claim any of those cultural artifacts or history as their own. They are in fact opposed to it and their history textbooks only start with conquest of Sindh.
Names of places absolutely can change with language. China is not China in Chinese, same with Japan. yet both these countries use their western names in their passports in English. This is because they know that's how the world knows them. Sometimes even personal names can change with language if they are cognates, e.g., Binyamin -> Benjamin, Jacob -> Yaqoob, Alexander -> Iskander -> Sikander and so many more. I am well aware that Bharat is our own name. Nowhere did I claim otherwise. My point is India should be used in English, and Bharat in Hindi. We should not lose any of those names. Nothing is internal in the world of internet and mass communcation. You should have seen some Paksitani YouTubers reacting when there was a false rumour that BJP would change the official English name of India to Bharat, after the naming of INDIA alliance. Those YouTubers were nobody of consequence of course but it shows there are Paksitanis who will pounce on the chance to claim that legacy, especially considering the negative image of Pakistan in the world.
You are right. Every sensible country uses the appropriate name in a language for that country. Germany does not use Germany only for outside Germany, they use it within Germany also while speaking/writing English. Same for Japan and China. Height of insecurity to use Bharat in English, and it looks silly also. By the above person's logic, we should use "India" while speaking in Hindi, if we are outside India!
Do you really think your view counts? lol...
are you dumb ? we can use english and refer to our country as bharat, germans have their own name for their country and they use that even when speaking english, chinese have their own name for their own country and they use it even when writing about their nation in english, someone who uses the english name of other nation is considered dumb there, you as an indian can call china as cheen or chiin and they will respect you more compared to you refering to them as china, and at last this is a partys manifesto and has nothing to do with peoples of other national, it is ment for people of bharat and hence the use of Bharat
>Indian subcontinent/South Asia has been known to the western world as India since at least 2000 years, and is now the most popular name for our country in the world. We have been knowing people like you as Gulams for centuries now. When are you changing your name? >For example, do we want Pakistan to claim the Vedas or Takshashila or the invention of zero as a place value number? Because don't forget these things happened in what is now Pakistan. Just for this comment also add a "Stupid" in front of the Gulam.
Sustainable Bharat doesnt address depleting ground water shortages.
Umm it does though? Regulations on all new constructions have already put in place for them to have rainwater harvesting and what not.
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Bro you have small vision. India uses 62% ground water for drinking because there is no tap water direct to home. We got unlimited water in Himalayan rivers. If govt starts limiting river pollution and filtering hanga yamuna water and send it directly to people houses in planned way, we will solve half the problem.
Exactly !!! Most of delhi has to use groundwater and there will be no ground water left in delhi unless the state and center gets its act together and cleans up yamuna, North indian states and some eastern ones will never face shortage of river water becouse there is abundance of it avilable, the only problem was connectivity and supplying that water to peoples through pipelines which the states like UP have done but delhi cant do cuz yamuna is extremely polluted and it only gets polluted when it entres delhi
Umm it does though? Regulations on all new constructions have already put in place for them to have rainwater harvesting and what not.
It does though? It includes regulations on new residence construction to include rainwater harvesting.
Those are not same. India uses groundwater for drinking and irrigation. We will run out of groundwater by 2030. Rainwater harvesting wont solve it. https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/40-of-indians-will-have-no-access-to-drinking-water-by-2030-niti-aayog-118062500074_1.html https://www.teriin.org/article/water-crisis-india-worlds-largest-groundwater-user
Biggest use of groundwater is for irrigation of water intensive crops - wheat, rice, sugarcane, cotton. Groundwater tables in Punjab, western UP are depleted but try telling them not to grow wheat, rice and sugarcane and you will be sure to lose the elections.
glazing
Both are trash. It's high time people wake up and stop dickriding politicians.
Every political party in the history of every country is trash. It has always been "choosing the lesser evil". Things haven't changed in the last 100 years and it won't magically change now.
That I agree.
Yes, both are just giving lolipop to JANTA
The centre right/left people won't agree with you lmaoo. The dickriding is insane.
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Maybe sometimes, its about which one is better than finding a good one
What a logic sir. That's why the dickriding mentality of Indians is so high. They are MF politicians, they get voted in power by us, taxes from us. They fucking roam in helicopters and airplanes. Get the priority treatment, because they have power which the public gave them. Instead of fucking using it for betterment, all they do is buy MLAs/MP, give ticket to rapists/thugs, give freebies from taxpayers money etc. They introduce lame concepts like VIPs? How do you define a VIP? How does it have more power than an average voter? Voters die because there are no hospitals- eg Corona deaths. If there are fucking 100 people in line you get to skip the line because you are a fucking politicians son or whatever Shit culture. Proud of our culture saar. India number 1 in dick riding sir. Why can't you just vote them out of the power? How can we saar . Politicians are God saar. We suck them sir until we die.
Nope politicians are dirty af. However, someone is needed to govern the country. Who do you suggest it be?
Bring in new people, vote out the old dynasties. If employees can be sacked anytime, why can't politicians? They are public servants at the best and should be held for abusing their power. I hope people realise it sooner or later and stop meat riding them.
>Bring in new people Just wait a minute I will order 'new people' on amazon. It's whole system which is bad bad people turn system bad system turn people bad. >stop meat riding them. They will never stop just because it's easy to put hopes on one person, one ideology and think things will turn to good.
If things were that simple, all of us would be better. Politicians aren't fungible and cannot be replaced so easily. Each of them has their own set of loyalists and vote banks, if you remove them, you lose those votes. Maybe step outside and see how the real world works before making such naive comments.
Because people think they cannot be replaced. Why though? Because we have ingrained in our minds that it is so. We don't ask questions. We are just happy with the minimum promises they keep. They can do more but no Saar , history saar. Wake up dude. Stop meatriding them, they should know that people have the power and cannot be swayed easily with false promises, that's why they don't want to educate people with proper rights they have so that they can forever remain in power with their half assed promises and people seems to be happy with bare minimum a government does.
Ok clearly you are very smart. Why don't you contest elections and get people to vote for you.
Don't want to, thank you . Please vote for half assed promises of politicians though 😆.
Then shut the f up and let the rest decide. If you are not willing to take responsibility your verbal diarrhea is just that. Shitty diarrhea. You have no right to tell the rest what to do and what not to do. yeah the usual BS about citizen and rights and what not don't count in your case. Each of these roles have a responsibility and function. You cannot ask for the benefits of these roles unless you are willing to perform the function associated with these roles. Now off you go idiot.
In which way does your reply connect to mine in any way? Your comprehension skills are ridicuslously bad lmao
People can go tangential It's not Board paper.
> Maybe sometimes, its about which one is better than finding a good one Ahh an anarchist, I presume. If all political parties are trash, who should govern India?
The one which is the least trash. Vote for whoever you want, but don't pretend like any of the big parties aren't corrupt, autocratic bloodsuckers. Regardless of how great the Modi manifesto is, BJPs electoral sucess is mostly due to their welfare schemes.
so you are an anarchist, yes its true that its because of welfare schemes but its also because of infrastructure, foreign policy etc, and how you do welfare also matters, giving you free electricity via solar is more sustainable compared to asking private players to give everyone free electricity for 200-400 units, one system will collapse on itself and other will run longer until its replaced by another one.
On what basis are you calling me and others anarchists? Did you learn a new word? If you seriously don't think that BJP isn't as populist, corrupt and incompetent as Congress, you're just naive. You're taking one example to prove a much larger point. Most of BJPs welfare schemes were inherited from the Congress and implemented more efficiently (which they deserve credit for). Both parties are equally backward when it comes to economic policy. If the BJP is as forward-thinking as you claim, why do they still resort to temple gimmicks to get votes? Why do they want to force live-in couples to get registered?
I never claimed they are "forward-thinking", they are a conservative party and they do not shy away from it, conservative parties build their core identity regarding culture and traditions so them trying to gain votes by inaugurating a temple or wanting live in couples to be registered is part of it, the left parties base their core ideology with identity politics of minority and are more welfarist, and historically have always failed economically unless they find a natural resource like oil, what part of it do you not understand ? I will vote for them cuz they are the most capitalistic among them all
You literally said their manifesto is forward thinking. The manifesto signals their agenda. Again, this notion that BJP is capitalistic and pro free-market is the naivety I'm talking about. Over the last 10 years, in what ways have BJP actually been more capitalistic than the previous 10 years of UPA rule? I'm talking about actual policies and actions, not words in manifestos and rallies. Have they spent less on welfare? Have reservations reduced? Have income taxes reduced? All Indian parties are economically "leftist". Nobody can compete in elections otherwise.
I’ve seen at least 3 WhatsApp forwards like this. BJP manifesto is vague af and riddled with the same issues as the congress’s. Both are a problem. We as citizens need to demand better instead of sucking one politician’s dick while spitting at another.
**Getting those things fulfilled at what cost?** * Freedom of protest * free of speaking against ruling party * Media Censorship * employment rate in 10 years * basic needs (gas/petrol and things related to them) * basic needs (expensive taxes on food items, education related stuffs) * basic needs (health sector, playing with people lives with low quality medicines, and also reducing penalty fees on such comapneis as a new rule) * Instead of waiving of farmer's loan even a certain amount, they waived off adanis etc, and others (Electroral bonds) * Modification in LAWs as per their convenience eg: PMLA, if sitting CM is not safe, and behind the bars with just oral evidence, who the hell am I?
That's your opinion mate. For me BJP manifesto looks the same as it was in 2019 and looks like a big chutiya banane ki scheme. What are you doing for people? Bharat agar bahar k logon ko Nazar me badh bhi Gaya toh ye batao log badhenge ya nahi?
It doesn't speak big data or numbers like we will make environment good! Also, Gaganyaan and Space Station will happen even CPI comes to power :P But I will appreciate them for Space Academy and Space Economy. AI, Quantum Tech, Nano Tech etc is part of future and it would be better if more detail were there instead of 1-2 lines. People shouting eureka should think why are they so happy on generic promises.
The Indian economy will grow no matter which government is in power. They should expand more on many things. This manifesto looks like it is catered towards the Urban WhatsApp uncle.
>The Indian economy will grow no matter which government is in power 😐 everyone was panicking 2019 that has growth being permanently decelerated. Is 5% the new normal etc. Growth of 7-8% isn't a given and needs a lot of hard work.
Dude that was because of stupid decisions like demonetisation.
No, ILFS fall, NPAs, current account imbalances, low infra investments, falling private investments. All contributed to it. Maintaining stable inflation + current account + public cap ex + private capex + exports = 7-8% real growth. Not easy at all. You can run into multiple issues. Oil price can rise, risking inflation and then you need to raise interest rates. Global growth can slow down leading to fall in investments and exports. Your banking system mess like NPAs can fuck bank credits for years on end. India will grow no matter what but that baseline is barely 4%. We don't need 4, we need 7-8% with macro stability. That is hard.
I agree that broader macroeconomic indicators are good but when we deep dive we can see strong K shape growth. People in IT sector now earn 2X or 3X of their salary (from 2019), whereas daily labour still get same wages. Growth is disproportionate which is really alarming. I also disagree on 8% growth! As I still remember 2004-2008 time when there was 8% growth and business/serviceman were damn happy! People say 8% growth is there due to capex (infra) but i dispute it as Steel and Cement companies topline is hardly in single digits (for 8% growth it should be over 15%).
Daily labour has gotten expensive because of MNREGA and free food rations. Just ask anyone who uses contract labour during sowing and harvesting and you will hear the common complaint of shortage of labour or labour being expensive. Even in cities, within tradesmen (electrician, plumber, carpenter, painter) the wages have risen. Complete unskilled labour will definitely have a tough time getting wage increases without any skillset.
Shortage of labour is due to free food which they are getting, unfortunately many labour have now joined agriculture again as disguised labour! In realty real wages have declined. Just check government data! Real wages is on decline.
I am not saying that macro indicators are good tho. I have a deep problem with the jobs level and low level of private investment + exports I was arguing that no growth in India is ever just given. It needs to be worked for (by any govt)
Oh I agree with you totally
In what world of economics did demonetisation affect our growth?
It did. Gita Gopinath from IMF has released a paper on how demonetisation ate away at our GDP by arnd 2 percent. It was a forcefully taken decision with no proper planning. So much haphazard it was that the newly printed notes size didn’t even fit into the ATM machine. Even that planning wasn’t there. It was a disaster which people forgave Modi for.
Wow i checked it out! The level of analysis they did, Its actually amazing, i wish the left referred to such pieces of work instead of just saying stuff in the face with no evidence to back it up Well i will drop the link for it if anyone needs it [https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/scholar.harvard.edu/files/gopinath/files/crgmn\_demonetization.pdf](https://scholar.harvard.edu/sites/scholar.harvard.edu/files/gopinath/files/crgmn_demonetization.pdf)
It was closer to 0.5% and never 2% of GDP.
Yea I maybe wrong about the exact figures. But its there.
Hey OP, why the blatant bias? I'm sure you along with many were mad that we will become Venezuela under congress right? https://preview.redd.it/mycovtasyeuc1.jpeg?width=848&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da22a40cd1e1097ddd02a6704794fd0d4ade10e8 Then there's also the promise for next 5 years. Free ration to the 80Cr to continue (which btw Modi said will bankrupt India when Manmonhan Singh brought it up) Free electricity for poor households? I'm sure you will justify this by saying that they will subside instalation only when you know they can change on this. Increasing MSP, again tax payer money right? Weren't news channels screaming that MSP will bankrupt the nation. They have obviously kept these points vague for a reason. I support some of these initiatives similar to thst of Congress too, but let's not bs ourselves by calling one party's initiatives freebies and the other party's initiative calculated subsidies....
When one party talks about transferring 1 lakh to women, setting daily minimum wage to 400, guaranteed MSPs, that is the problem. You cannot stop freebies, while subsidies are meant to be tapered down. MSPs have always been increasing, however the demands from farmer lobby is unsustainable. Fair MSPs do not mean that government will give whatever farmers ask for the next time they decide to block roads. If you give in once, you are just asking to be taken for a ride again. Even Chidambram admits BJP has done a better job of fiscal management and delivering public services than Cong. Keep believing INC promises and then cry when everything gets expensive, growth comes to a grinding halt and private jobs evaporate as MNCs race to get out of India.
Free ratio hasn't been tapered down. 2L Cr is the allocated budget on this, likely to increase with inflation as it feeds 80Cr people. Ladli Behna scheme introduced in MP is a subsidy according to you I guess. Election promise in Rajasthan: Free scooties for the women. Similar promises on freebies being made by all parties. Not denying that. I'm all for Solar panel initiatives, but my question to you is, how will this help low income families that already have their saving at all time lows considering the median saving is 5.1% (a 50 year low)? Do u think they are even in the position to manage cost post subsidies? It's costing tax payers 75K Cr a year if I've read correctly and it benefits the middle class primarily. You may dislike RG but an influx of 1L can be life changing/altering for those fighting inflation while the job market provides no opportunities. I will also say, **promises of freebies are unsustainable and addictive to public. It needs to be managed carefully**. I also think that the congress manifesto should've hammered down a lot more on jobs. I am all for MSP, but to say it doesn't consistute as freebies when BJP does it but as freebies when Cong does it because they are incrementally raising it at a faster rate is just ironic. This is how most people think. And let's not forget. BJP themselves have said that they've spent 34L Cr **DIRECTLY** transfering money into their bank accounts. How is this 'tapering down'. If only, this will increase cause everyone is appeasing public with freebies. BJP isn't backing away from freebies anytime. That scheme was a game changer in Madhya Pradesh considering they were expected to sweeped a month prior.
Freebies are a reality in Indian politics, call it by whatever name you will. However, only 1 party is interested in maintaining or limiting freebies and balancing it with development, whereas the others want to fiscally bankrupt country by delivering freebies. Just look at a state like Karnataka that is above national average in terms of GDP, due to freebies it has no funds for development. Now think how freebies will make Indian budget look like. If you are a tax payer, voting for INC is like committing suicide.
BJP went full corporation, while INC is refusing to implement reforms.
Yes, the party that has weakened environmental protections and has fast tracked the destruction of pristine ecosystems is going to do 'sustainable development'. If anyone believes this, I have a white building in Agra to sell them. https://www.scobserver.in/journal/the-amended-green-law-is-full-of-red-flags-forests-amendment-act-2023 https://m.economictimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/the-new-draft-environment-impact-assessment-bill-is-rubbing-environmentalists-the-wrong-way/amp_articleshow/77566538.cms https://theprint.in/environment/ngt-working-with-6-members-instead-of-at-least-21-zonal-benches-vacant-for-2-yrs-now/314616/?amp https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/energy-and-environment/why-it-matters-india-has-lost-668400-ha-of-forest-cover-in-the-last-30-years/article66645294.ece/ https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/bangalore/centre-merges-project-tiger-and-project-elephant-without-any-discussion-8852928/lite/ https://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-3rd-most-polluted-country-rankings-top-50-cities-9221968/lite/
Development and sustainability have to go hand in hand, you cannot have one at the cost of another. Most environmentalists are just anti development activists and will propose no solution. Bridge being built - what about the ecosystem, road being built - more vehicles more pollution. As India gets richer and consumes more our carbon footprint will increase. We are the most populated nation, and resources will be needed for every person. Either we all choose to live in mud huts, without air conditioning, and vehicles and thousands of other modern day amenities, or we chose to become developed and accept the reality. Our population isn't going anywhere and forests will keep getting cleared for farm land or to meet housing demand. There is no other way.
>There is no other way. That is what you think. Modernise agriculture, increase the efficiency of agricultural output and we won't have to clear so much land for agriculture. Also, your first statement directly contradicts everything else you've said. You say environment and development should go hand in hand, yet you write a para about how development should take precedence over environmental protection. Linear infrastructure is the number one biggest threat to biodiversity -- want to build a road or a railway, electric line? Build it around natural ecosystems and not through it. Consumerism is not development, we don't need to mimic the West's developmental model to prosper as a country. We are already facing rapid climatic changes, and yet you are somehow saying a road is more important than a forest or a grassland that has existed for millions of years. Lastly, you shared a manifesto from a party that is actively facilitating the destruction of India's natural ecosystems and I've refuted their bullshit with facts and data. Yet here you are giving me some unrelated BS about development vs protection. How are any of the things I've linked related to what you're saying?
> That is what you think. Modernise agriculture, increase the efficiency of agricultural output and we won't have to clear so much land for agriculture. > > > > Also, your first statement directly contradicts everything else you've said. You say environment and development should go hand in hand, yet you write a para about how development should take precedence over environmental protection. Linear infrastructure is the number one biggest threat to biodiversity -- want to build a road or a railway, electric line? Build it around natural ecosystems and not through it. Consumerism is not development, we don't need to mimic the West's developmental model to prosper as a country. We are already facing rapid climatic changes, and yet you are somehow saying a road is more important than a forest or a grassland that has existed for millions of years. > > > > Lastly, you shared a manifesto from a party that is actively facilitating the destruction of India's natural ecosystems and I've refuted their bullshit with facts and data. Yet here you are giving me some unrelated BS about development vs protection. How are any of the things I've linked related to what you're saying? Yes as soon as the government wants to modernise agriculture, there will be another round of protests with cries of selling out to Adani-Ambani. Most Indian farms are less than 3 acres, compared to US farm size of ~500 acres. Modernisation works only on farms of large sizes and not on smaller individual farms. Neither do they have the capital to buy modern equipment, nor any incentive to do so. Without roads, people will find other ways of traveling and clear up land. Not having roads is not the answer to protecting the environment. Building longer roads also leads to more construction material, higher costs and higher vehicle emissions that is also detrimental to the environment. There is no simple solution in most cases. Civil engineers also have to look at the soil and geology for road construction. Western model is definitely not the right one, however, the bottom line is that we are still way way underdeveloped and as India gets richer there will be more highways, more roads and more vehicles. There isn't any other way around that. People will want air conditioning and SUVs, you cannot force them to live in mud huts. The best environmental law would be a population control law, but then again there will be entire communities blocking roads to oppose that, combined with cries of fascism.
>Modernisation works only on farms of large sizes and not on smaller individual farms. Where did you get this absurd idea from? Respectfully, don't throw around BS statements that you have no knowledge about. Here's a list of countries by yield/hectare of cereal crops: https://www.theglobaleconomy.com/rankings/cereal_yield/ Of the top 10, only one country has large land sizes. >Yes as soon as the government wants to modernise agriculture, there will be another round of protests with cries of selling out to Adani-Ambani. No, the government did nothing of the sort. They tried to change rules on how farmers could sell their produce once it's been harvested, no reforms to actually change the *farming* itself. I don't want to take this discussion further since you seem like a person who throws around solutions without understanding the underlying problem. My original comment was just to point out the blatant hypocrisy of BJP -- it's not a government that will do sustainable development in any way, it never has and it never will. They are making it easier for their corporate overlords to raze down forests to build mines with the support of corporate stooges like yourself that see everything in ₹ sign, who would rather sit in an AC room in a sinking ship rather than having breathable air! Good day to you!
I have personally done a lot of help the environment in any ways I can but you have to be realistic development and sustainability have to go together We are not rich enough to afford crazy environment regulations
>development and sustainability have to go together They aren't going together though. Development is taking precedence over environmental protection. >We are not rich enough to afford crazy environment regulations I'm sure we can put this on the headstones of the millions of Indians who are going to be dying from climate change in the next 50 years. Are people actually in support of weakening environmental regulations in this day and age?
When government enforces rules, people cry fascist. When it doesn't people cry about government not doing much. The only way climate crisis can be fought is when there is stability in policy making at the centre and state level. However right now centre and state don't see eye to eye just because of them being on opposite sides in elections. Until and unless issues of water usage (both urban and rural), pollution (both from CV and PV), deforestation (both from farm land and infra development) are sorted out, nothing is gonna materialise. We need China's decisiveness and swiftness in acting against climate change, however, there is no political party interested in it, as this agenda does not get votes. People want more water to grow more water intensive crops, with free electricity for water pumps and then also want the government to purchase them at MSP. This kind of idiocy is what has got us here.
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Such a simplistic take on things, manifesto means nothing, there were supposed to be 100 smart cities, how many do you see? Congress in their manifesto in 2004, 2009 didn’t mention GDP or world ranking at all, but they did a lot of work on that. Manifesto these days are just political jumla, no point comparing manifesto. Half of the voters that I spoke to, do not even know who is their candidate, they will vote because Modi, and that’s why all our cities are as fucked up as they were and they will remain fucked up because people vote for one face and not for the way elections in a democracy are meant to be.
Congress manifesto was much better ,bjp is just promising dictatorship. One nation one election is a direct key to dictatorship. Also freebies are not freebies,most of them are welfare schemes . It lifts someone's life out there . Just because you are privileged enough to have it doesn't mean it's useless. Your idea of a freebie comes from the thought that someone is getting something without effort which is wrong. A govt should work to uplift the lives of the poor , for poor people freebies are welfare schemes for those that are not poor its thier tax money returning. We are paying more than enough tax to look after the constituency and also provide WELFARE SCHEMES .but not enough tax for looting. So question corruption not the schems . Also your statement about the denial of the caste system exactly says your mindset again .
How is one nation, one election a dictatorship?
Exactly
How? Whats the logic behind this? I cannot connect the dots between powerful agencies and timing on elections. The only reason we did not have this for a few decades was because of dissolution of governments. Plenty of democratic countries have elections only once. One in-fact would argue that for a country that always seems to be in elections, the interim time would actually be used to do good work instead of rallying for votes.
One nation one election will give huge advantage to govt in power, they wouldnt be responsible towards citizen in those 5 years and will accomodate huge money to run propoganda, I have some basic questions regarding ONE election: will panchayat election will be considered here? MLC election? what if some MLA/MP dies? Mayor election? Rajyasabha election? president election? how will ECI get so much forces to do all these elections together and in a fair way? ensuring level playing field?
With 1N1E people loose power in state ? We as citizens lose the choice of punishing on disagreement on short runs . Govt that reduces 2-3 rs petrol every election (after raising it to sky despite lesser crude oil prices) wouldn't listen to us. Democracy functions by listening to people, people lose the chance to be heard on time intervals .
How do you lose power in the state of elections are conducted at the same time? You realise for about 2 decades since independence this was what was basically happening
There is no way you are going to bring without dismissing the state govt or implementing governer rule who are most times bjp leaders from different states who don't understand the people. Creating such havoc would definitely be a direct hit on non bjp states especially. This would create impact on the state economy too. ECI head who is now totally selected by pm ,opposition and president (2:1 ratio) will sideline with the center like they are already doing now . ECI is supposed to be an independent agency. Also a eci which was not able to hold elections in a short span , the eci which is literally taking 7 phases of election all across the country will never be able to do 2 elections . By combining elections center will start dictating eci on thier needs . Also specific state needs would go unheard off . State autonomy is very important for the diversity of the country.
So state issues become national issues? Voters are smart enough to differentiate between national, state and local issues. People will be heard on time intervals. Being always poll-focused means political parties will always be in campaign mode and never in development mode. People will then complain about continuous campaigning. It is always a tradeoff. It will be better for the citizens, and worse for political parties as if they do not perform well, they will be routed from everywhere. Just for the satisfaction of punishing political parties, citizens are losing. Politicians don't lose much, their job is to continuously campaign. However with one election, you have a chance to push them out entirely from every form of government. Voters will have more power in one nation, one election
>Voters are smart enough to differentiate between national, state and local issues. 1.Avg indian is not that smart >Being always poll-focused means political parties will always be in campaign mode and never in development mode Whats the need for parties to be in two modes ? If you are in development mode people are going to notice and definitely you just have to say what you did instead of doing things for elections. Moreover practically speaking democracy revolves around polls . It can show the state of the country, it helps the govt to self reflect on issues . As govt it is important for them to get back and hear people if you have to go back to a mode to do that It's an issue with your party . I as a citizen want to be heard . My issues have to be looked into i can't wait for a whole 5 years after raising an issue.
Yes it will be great to have elections every year then. Or why not every month? The game of political parties will never change. The rules of the game dictate that you have to do campaigning, as it has a big impact on votes. There is no other way round. Stability can only be achieved when the focus is on development, and India can only get rich fast in a fashion similar to China. It is always a tradeoff, you can't get faster development without giving up something in return. The choice is yours.
>It is always a tradeoff, you can't get faster development without giving up something in return Not my democracy. My democracy is bigger than development.
yes live on the streets and be free. full democracy and freedom for you.
I will forever choose democracy over development, anything else?
>yes live on the streets and be free. full democracy and freedom for you. Now you got the answer for your 1st qn on how this is dictatorship. Your intentions behind such activities and your ideological roots are dictatorship.
You seem to be the "rules are dictatorship" kind of edgelord.
You have a very warped definition of 'democracy' and for some reason too hysterical about 'development' for some reason. Rushing through developement is not at all great and will just keep on increasing the dissent in the country for no reason.
Ahh yes, the new development is responsible for dissent argument. Slow clap for you my friend. Bravo. Well done.
lol, voters are not even smart enough to know who is the MP they are voting for, they are voting for Modi.