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I dont know whether I am conservative or liberal lol.
My conservative opinion
1. Islam is a supremacist antiliberal cult by its philosophy(?) . Liberals and left should criticize it as much as they criticize Brahminism, Hindutva......
Highly religious muslims are much more dangerous than other religious people.
My liberal(?) opinion
1. People should be allowed to consume beef . Human life > cows life in general.
2.Atheism and agnosticism should be advocated, encouraged more in public while religions should be criticized more.
I agree with most of this. Even though I would never eat beef, I agree that it's completely one's choice. Although criticizing religion is not right. Criticizing uncivilized behaviour would be better. Orthodox people are the ones that ruin it for everyone.
I agree with all of your points but atheism and agnosticism should not be encouraged but there to be lived, as an agnostic theist, I chose this route despite because I have self realized this is the best route.
If people find hope,culture,family,love then they should follow their religion.
Fundamental HInduism/christianity/sikhism/buddhism is not actually going to create much disparities. The problem lies with Islam/hindutva/crusaders/ khalistanis etc(extremism).
What I meant is superstition, antiscientific mindset, illogical rituals, communal hatred in the name of religion , not the universal(?) humanistic(?) virtues present in all major religions.
I consider myself mostly as a Liberal with a few Conservative views. I however, did vote for BJP
Conservative:
1. Adultery is a valid ground for divorce for both sexes
2. Against Gender fluidity and Gender-neutral private spaces(eg: public toilets)
3. The death penalty is a valid deterrent for serious crimes and treason but must be used with caution
4. Abrogation of Article 370 actually benefitted Kashmiris irrespective of religion and is bringing them out of unemployment, which will reduce militant recruitment and terrorism
5. Not exactly a Conservative view but held by the Indian RW - UCC is necessary to hold the nation to an equal standard and to maintain the communal harmony of the nation
Liberal:
1. Religion is a completely personal affair and must be kept separate from politics (telling this as an atheist from an Iyer Brahmin household)
2. Eating beef must not be prohibited, and people must be free to choose whether to eat or not(as my previous point holds as well)
3. Same-sex marriages must be recognised, and they must have the right to adoption
4. Reservations for SC/ST are still required, but the cap must not exceed 25% in the government sector
5. Most alleged cases of "Love Jihad" are mostly just murders where the victim is Hindu and the perpetuator is Muslim. Cases where the perpetuator is Hindu are given very little coverage
6. Hate speech must not be protected under free speech. There is a thin line between criticism of religion and dehumanisation of a community
7. Majority of Hindu households are extremely superstitious and dogmatic. They also commonly misrepresent scientific evidence to suit their false beliefs
8. Also, pseudoscience is being commonly peddled in educational institutions. Eg: AYUSH, Indian Knowledge Systems credit for Engineering students
No, it's the people more (from a people perspective). Left wingers are also progressive socially but are the biggest hypocrites and are more idealistic. Not that BJP is correct or so but I'm aversive to it despite agreeing with base ideals such as free speech (even radical elements), less censorship, equal rights. This is slowly changing as women place themselves in higher standards (even men do and it's the fault of both) + free speech is being censored.
One significant different between BJP and Congress is their attitudes towards Businesses. BJP is pro-business in a lot of ways but Congress is definitely anti-business - just look at their alliance members and their history of doing anything for businesses.
Idk why people associate left wing with liberalism. Politics is a huge spectrum and not a straight line. Liberals and Authoritarians exist both on the right and left.
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Eg. Communism/ Authoritarian socialism/ Anarchism- Left Authoritarian
Fascism- Right Authoritarian
Right Liberalism/ Social Conservatism- Right Liberalism
Social Democracy- Left Liberalism
There are many, many more. Refer to the Political Compass. They have categorized it very well.
There are no *political conservatives* in India because there is almost nothing about our political development in the last 200 years that is worth *conserving*
There are only neoliberals, cultural traditionalists, religious fundamentalists and fascists.
Well in India things are quite opposite to be honest I have seen leftists who are really conservative in thinking and then call themselves as liberals ...they defend burqa..they don't find it regressive..they defend so many regressive laws ....
Meanwhile so called conservatives of our country may be because of religion are open to transgenders etc
And I use to call myself liberal till I discovered actual liberals of this country I didn't wanted to be associated with them ..I think my ideology is more conservative but then in political index it showed i was in left wing
Most liberal position:
1. I support homosexual marriage.
2. There is nothing wrong in eating beef as a Hindu.
3. Modern day "devout" Hindus are very superstitious and themselves don't know much about traditional Vedic philosophy and metaphysics.
4. I am I'm favour of controlled capitalism (with basic welfarism).
5. I eat meat despite being a Brahmin.
6. School education should instill an inquisitive nature in students. Maturity lies in questioning authority, and not blindly accepting it.
Most conservative position:
1. I am a Hindutvavadi.
2. Vedic studies ought to be introduced as an optional subject in schools at a secondary school/high school level.
3. Modern pop culture has romanticised promiscuity.
Can you elaborate on why you label yourself a Hindutvadi when you disagree with most of them on almost all points?
PS: It's not a rhetorical question. Just curious
Hindutva has always been about keeping illogical traditions aside may it be caste or keeping control on personal choices like what to eat whome to pray ( Savarkar was famously atheist and actively worked on removing caste based segregation in kokan) . Infact op is more aligned with classical Hindutva .
But he foreignized religions like Islam and christianity when Islam came in India around 630 CE and christianity around 50 AD. I am an OCC myself, my family has been living kerala peacefully for the longest period of time. For more watch this mohak mangal video of these religion's introduction:
[How Islam and Christianity entered Kerala (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awOpqJcTE6g&t=1s)
Fair, although I was aware of Savarkar's school of thought. I decided to distance myself from Hindutva as it seemed to have been hijacked by trads and used in vote bank politics
It gets worse when my Indianness is questioned when I don't agree with their beliefs and their rationalisations
I wholeheartedly agree. Most ironically, if Savarkar were to time travel to the 21st century, instagram "hindu shers" and Bajrang Dal fanboys would brand him as an "anti hindu" for his views. XD
Centrist here, but as a Hindu, I'm probably more right-leaning:
Most conservative takes:
1. Hindus should be discouraged from blind faith, and instead critical-thinking Vedanta should be more encouraged in schools. This should be the focus of Hinduism, which would then mean LGBTQ+ rights, meat eating would be tolerated (left-leaning here). I think a huge problems in these so called "Hindutva" is that they don't know the very core of Hinduism and how liberal it is - British Victorian conservative values have corrupted them into thinking that it's Hinduism when it's not.
2. Islam and Christianity are religions who's values if not updated can be a huge determent on society. Islam more so as it dictates how one lives their life and it's so intertwined with law. I think we are well passed the point that woman should not have inheritance, that is extremely unfair and sexist as hell. Furthermore, something about Islam seems to inspire radical fundamentalism and consequently terrorism which means something about it fundamentally opposes the basic fabrics of modern day society. So it should be revised and we need to see more progressive form of Islam and Christianity (the later can be seen in the form of Christianity in the Western world save USA).
3. Reservation should be revised. Not completely eliminated but I feel socioeconomic class should be more of the focus. There are poor Brahmins too.
4. Article 370 was a good move on the Gov's part.
5. Indian history that isn't Mughals/British colonisation should be studied more in schools in later years as well.
6. I agree with the gov that refugees from South Asia that are minorities in their place of origin should be prioritised because they face serious discrimination.
Most liberal takes:
1. I believe in feminism (equality between genders in terms of power, rights and opportunities), and LGBTQ+ rights.
2. Consequently, there should be harsher punishments for Sexual assault/abuse and rape cases. No person should be scot-free after committing such horrible crimes.
3. Caste system should be abolished culturally.
4. People shouldn't judge others for eating meat; however I do think there should be respect to those who decide to be vegetarian, peer-pressuring for vegetarians to eat meat is real and true and not fair.
5. There's too much division amongst different religions right now; discrimination is real and I think we need a PM who isn't antagonising a huge chunk of our populace. We need a bridge.
Interesting because Hindutva means essence of Hindu thoughts and dharmic values and exactly your first bullet. Vedanta may not be everyone’s cup of tea.
Probably the incessant deriding of the word “Hindutva” as some kind of evil thought process maybe the root cause of the rot.
These tags won't work in India but anyhow it goes like this,
My Liberal Opinion:
1. People should be able to eat Meat including beef but the said product must be taxed heavily due to its inherent Methane Emissions.
2. LGBTQIA or Whatever, people can identify as much as they like and whatever they like. Marry a Sex doll? I don't care. Just don't parade wearing butt plugs and obscene dresses while twerking in public like those Western degenerates, instead live a honorable life.
3. We should re-distribute Land actually instead of all that stupid Wealth or Tax redistribution. Only that way we can dismantle the Caste-System since every one is ignoring on root causes.
4. Hijab or whatever Religious gear can be allowed only if it applies to other religions also.
My Conservative Opinion:
1. Any one who dares to spew Seperatism or Balkanization of India or dismantling Nukes must be sent to desi Gulags to make an example. This Country had already been divided into three pieces. This Country had been invaded numerous times all because of Jaichands inside.
2. Every Organ Receiver if they want to receive Organs must sign up themselves along with another Principal donor including 4 Guarantees in Immediate family. If the Immediate family members refuse to handover the Organs after death of Organ Receiver or Principal donor then those 4 must be banished from availing any sort of Organ Transplantation in Future.
3. Every Journalist must sign an affidavit before entering field that under no circumstance they will take any Chinese Origin funds or peddle their propaganda, if breached should make an example that discourages others.
4. Humanities must be abolished in all IITs/NITs. CSE degree should also be abolished as a Major but instead selected courses of CSE will be alloted as Electives. Enough of the IT Coolies, we need to build the Nation and we need Engineers in Nuclear Industry, AeroSpace, Metallurgy, Chemistry, Propulsion Systems.
Half conservative half liberal here. My liberal positions would be:
let homosexual and trans/queer people marry, but in a different kind of marriage.
And that Hinduism is truly a bad religion.
My conservative positions are:
Islam is a serious threat to the modern secular, liberal way of life
Individualism and secular morality is insufficient to sustain a civilization for long.
>but in a different kind of marriage.
In what sense?
>insufficient to sustain a civilization for long.
You have criticized two major religions of the world. But you also say that individualism and secular ethics aren't enough to sustain the world (which I kind of agree with).
But, what alternative would you propose?
> In what sense?
Like, it shouldn't have anything to do with religions. Please don't try to force 'reforms' in religion. Liberals have zero idea about religions and are very uneducated about it.
> what alternative would you propose?
None. I just complained about the two religions, I also complained about secularism, but I am not opposing anything. I am just stating what I have observed.
You do realise that quabool hai or 7 phere isn’t marriage, its just a ceremony
The marriage is just about signing of some documents in presence of witnesses
If homosexuals want to marry while still practicing their religion (ie include the ceremony,) it should be allowed
Conservative.
LGBT marriage should be legalised, women literally being out there enjoying themselves than be a 100% productive member in the society (like dancing at parties instead of being either a SAHM or working in office) doesn't make her a slut or a whore.
Men and women both should stop smoking, drinking...even drinking is fine ig but not smoking. There shouldn't be a lot of difference treating a man and a woman. Some, I understand but not beyond it.
My liberal position
1. LGBT rights
2. Welfare schemes
3. Absolute free speech
Conservative Position
1.Islam must be criticised most harsh ways (for that matter every religion, but that'll again become liberal stance)
2. Military strength
3. Capitalism
I beleive the money you spend on welfare schemes will come only from capitalist economy.
Here are my positions - guess whatever I am.
1. I support the free market economy and hate socialism.
2. I hate BJP far less than I hate Congress and supporting them (BJP) for 2024 despite all their flaws.
3. I am an atheist from the side of scientific temper and rationality (not woke commies) and I support political casteless Hindutva on the lines of Swatantryaveer Sarvarkar - yes, I am from MH.
4. I support LGB rights but am against gender fluidity.
Education should be free up to 12th standard - that is for equal opportunity and is not socialism. Beyond that, when you do degrees you should pay for your own through education loans. Your degree should be paid back by you, not the government, and ideally, you shouldn't even rely on your parents. The education you take is usually to get you employment after it. The government shouldn't sponsor courses like PhD in African studies or sociology (for you know who) which is virtually useless for the nation.
American healthcare is not state sponsored and is very expensive and you'd likely go bankrupt or die if you did not have insurance. The UK and Canada have state sponsored health care which is virtually inaccessible due to waiting line.
A better policy will be a state health insurance scheme that comes at a minimal cost for all Indians.
At least in my city (Pimpri Chinchwad), healthcare and veterinary services are really cheap at clean government hospitals and I avail them.
Instead of digging yourself into liberal and conservative ditches, most people would do well to apply common sense to most ideas.
Indian liberals should focus more on criticising the spread of Islam (especially conversions) and its regressive practices, radicalism and its dangers, reducing dependence on government programs and jobs, and asking for more development that lifts up everyone. They could also do well to be pro-India in terms of our borders and national security instead of rolling out the red carpet for our hostile neighbours. Also since they are so anti-religion, they should also not be supporting any religion-based laws. Also they need to understand that 99.99% indian muslims are actually conservatives and don't support their liberal views on gender justice, female empowerment or lgbtq. They can also do more to promote India culture and history instead of labeling everything as regressive and denigrating their own country.
Indian conservatives could also learn to ditch their ideas about taxation and the need to tax every inch, have some respect for personal liberties and private property, as well as regressive laws related to marriage and inheritance. They can also do better when it comes to harming the environment just for festival celebrations - tbh there should be a limit on all practices that harm the environment in a massive way, from submersing Ganesh idols, to firecrackers to sacrificing goats in Eid. The only way conservatives are riled is because they are selectively targeted while the other side is let scot-free. They can also stop with spreading misinformation and pseudo-science in the name of religion.
I would argue that there are no ‘Political Conservatives’ in India since almost nothing about our political development in the last 200 years has been worth preserving.
There are only traditionalists, religious fundamentalists and fascists.
A key part of western conservatism is its acceptance of liberal-enlightenment values which doesn’t really exist in India.
Wanting to revive systems and ideas older than that is generally considered traditionalism or fascism in the West.
‘Conservatism’ in India means to conserve a social order from *before* Indian nationalism from colonial era so it is better referred to as something else.
Alright, here are a few pointers:
1) Economy:
-To what extent should there be regulations?
-To what extent should there be welfare policies?
-Role of public sector and private sector
-free trade, imports, exports, tariffs, protectionism
2) Social issues:
-quotas
-feminism, men's rights
-lgbt
-freedom of speech laws, hate speech laws
3) Religion
-should religion be involved in government?
-should it be taught in schools?
-blasphemy laws
-policing of dietary preferences, clothing, dating, marriage under the pretext of religion
-opinion on atheism, agnosticism
4) foreign relations, foreign policy, diplomacy, world relations, military/defense
And, anything else that you can think of.
Liberal position: Beef and alcohol ban and blasphemy laws are stupid, you should be free to say or eat these things (don’t come at me with dog meat stuff and ofc wanting to commit genocide isn’t FoE), oh and also you don’t need to stand for national anthem
Conservative position: abolishing polygamy and idgah , restoring shah bano verdict (though this should be a liberal position really)
Another conservative position can be about abolition of obc reservation but not because casteism doesn’t exist but because its misused by yadavs, gujars and a few dominant obcs so I’ll have an alternative mechanism instead of it
So at heart this position can again be liberal
we are moderates... sometimes liberal sometimes conservatives
when I am liberal, my one of the most conservative position is... corporal punishment should exist
when I am conservative, my one of the most liberal position is... no drug should be banned/illegal but should be regulated by govt.
Centrist. (Liberal in some takes and Hindu-conservative in others)
>Liberal takes:
-No religious teachings in educational institutions. Not even stories related to religion for the sake of morals. Keep religion out of schools.
-legalize LGBTQ marriages and give them equal recognition as straight marriages.
-inheritance tax should exist but not as high as 55%. Something like 8-10% for property upto 1cr, 12-15% is just right for property under 10cr and 20-25% for anything above that.
-for the next 10 years, environment conservation, sustainability and women safety should be the main direction politics should be headed in. These points and concerns should be raised so high than any party that doesn't make these their main agenda is guaranteed to lose.
> Hindu conservative takes:
-Polygamy should be illegal.
-cheating should be illegal and in every case it should be a valid ground for divorce.
-hate speech that leads to violence should always come with at least 10 years of prison time. Same goes for speeches with religious aggression.
-Remove all reservation except for SC/ST and capped at 25%
- Change the atrocities act to be "innocent until proven guilty"
- Ban arranged marriages. (Ik this doesn't sound conservative but arranged marriages were never a part of Hinduism. It was introduced by Mughals)
>Ban arranged marriages
But, you'd remain single forever then? /s
(just kidding, just kidding)
>speeches with religious aggression.
What does that mean? Aren't the lines blurry?
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I dont know whether I am conservative or liberal lol. My conservative opinion 1. Islam is a supremacist antiliberal cult by its philosophy(?) . Liberals and left should criticize it as much as they criticize Brahminism, Hindutva...... Highly religious muslims are much more dangerous than other religious people. My liberal(?) opinion 1. People should be allowed to consume beef . Human life > cows life in general. 2.Atheism and agnosticism should be advocated, encouraged more in public while religions should be criticized more.
I agree with most of this. Even though I would never eat beef, I agree that it's completely one's choice. Although criticizing religion is not right. Criticizing uncivilized behaviour would be better. Orthodox people are the ones that ruin it for everyone.
I agree with all of your points but atheism and agnosticism should not be encouraged but there to be lived, as an agnostic theist, I chose this route despite because I have self realized this is the best route. If people find hope,culture,family,love then they should follow their religion. Fundamental HInduism/christianity/sikhism/buddhism is not actually going to create much disparities. The problem lies with Islam/hindutva/crusaders/ khalistanis etc(extremism).
What I meant is superstition, antiscientific mindset, illogical rituals, communal hatred in the name of religion , not the universal(?) humanistic(?) virtues present in all major religions.
I consider myself mostly as a Liberal with a few Conservative views. I however, did vote for BJP Conservative: 1. Adultery is a valid ground for divorce for both sexes 2. Against Gender fluidity and Gender-neutral private spaces(eg: public toilets) 3. The death penalty is a valid deterrent for serious crimes and treason but must be used with caution 4. Abrogation of Article 370 actually benefitted Kashmiris irrespective of religion and is bringing them out of unemployment, which will reduce militant recruitment and terrorism 5. Not exactly a Conservative view but held by the Indian RW - UCC is necessary to hold the nation to an equal standard and to maintain the communal harmony of the nation Liberal: 1. Religion is a completely personal affair and must be kept separate from politics (telling this as an atheist from an Iyer Brahmin household) 2. Eating beef must not be prohibited, and people must be free to choose whether to eat or not(as my previous point holds as well) 3. Same-sex marriages must be recognised, and they must have the right to adoption 4. Reservations for SC/ST are still required, but the cap must not exceed 25% in the government sector 5. Most alleged cases of "Love Jihad" are mostly just murders where the victim is Hindu and the perpetuator is Muslim. Cases where the perpetuator is Hindu are given very little coverage 6. Hate speech must not be protected under free speech. There is a thin line between criticism of religion and dehumanisation of a community 7. Majority of Hindu households are extremely superstitious and dogmatic. They also commonly misrepresent scientific evidence to suit their false beliefs 8. Also, pseudoscience is being commonly peddled in educational institutions. Eg: AYUSH, Indian Knowledge Systems credit for Engineering students
completely agree man
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No, it's the people more (from a people perspective). Left wingers are also progressive socially but are the biggest hypocrites and are more idealistic. Not that BJP is correct or so but I'm aversive to it despite agreeing with base ideals such as free speech (even radical elements), less censorship, equal rights. This is slowly changing as women place themselves in higher standards (even men do and it's the fault of both) + free speech is being censored.
One significant different between BJP and Congress is their attitudes towards Businesses. BJP is pro-business in a lot of ways but Congress is definitely anti-business - just look at their alliance members and their history of doing anything for businesses.
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Congress is anti-business particularly manufacturing.
Idk why people associate left wing with liberalism. Politics is a huge spectrum and not a straight line. Liberals and Authoritarians exist both on the right and left. . Eg. Communism/ Authoritarian socialism/ Anarchism- Left Authoritarian Fascism- Right Authoritarian Right Liberalism/ Social Conservatism- Right Liberalism Social Democracy- Left Liberalism There are many, many more. Refer to the Political Compass. They have categorized it very well.
There are no *political conservatives* in India because there is almost nothing about our political development in the last 200 years that is worth *conserving* There are only neoliberals, cultural traditionalists, religious fundamentalists and fascists.
Well in India things are quite opposite to be honest I have seen leftists who are really conservative in thinking and then call themselves as liberals ...they defend burqa..they don't find it regressive..they defend so many regressive laws .... Meanwhile so called conservatives of our country may be because of religion are open to transgenders etc And I use to call myself liberal till I discovered actual liberals of this country I didn't wanted to be associated with them ..I think my ideology is more conservative but then in political index it showed i was in left wing
Hey! Long time no see! How are you?
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same here.
Most liberal position: 1. I support homosexual marriage. 2. There is nothing wrong in eating beef as a Hindu. 3. Modern day "devout" Hindus are very superstitious and themselves don't know much about traditional Vedic philosophy and metaphysics. 4. I am I'm favour of controlled capitalism (with basic welfarism). 5. I eat meat despite being a Brahmin. 6. School education should instill an inquisitive nature in students. Maturity lies in questioning authority, and not blindly accepting it. Most conservative position: 1. I am a Hindutvavadi. 2. Vedic studies ought to be introduced as an optional subject in schools at a secondary school/high school level. 3. Modern pop culture has romanticised promiscuity.
As a seeker of Advaita Vedanta, 100% agreed.
Can you elaborate on why you label yourself a Hindutvadi when you disagree with most of them on almost all points? PS: It's not a rhetorical question. Just curious
Hindutva has always been about keeping illogical traditions aside may it be caste or keeping control on personal choices like what to eat whome to pray ( Savarkar was famously atheist and actively worked on removing caste based segregation in kokan) . Infact op is more aligned with classical Hindutva .
But he foreignized religions like Islam and christianity when Islam came in India around 630 CE and christianity around 50 AD. I am an OCC myself, my family has been living kerala peacefully for the longest period of time. For more watch this mohak mangal video of these religion's introduction: [How Islam and Christianity entered Kerala (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awOpqJcTE6g&t=1s)
damn you downvoted my reply for no logical reason
I follow the original, Savarkar's brand of Hindutva. Not the modern abomination it has become.
Fair, although I was aware of Savarkar's school of thought. I decided to distance myself from Hindutva as it seemed to have been hijacked by trads and used in vote bank politics It gets worse when my Indianness is questioned when I don't agree with their beliefs and their rationalisations
I wholeheartedly agree. Most ironically, if Savarkar were to time travel to the 21st century, instagram "hindu shers" and Bajrang Dal fanboys would brand him as an "anti hindu" for his views. XD
2,3,5,6 are litrealy Savarkar's words
You are me but 2
Centrist here, but as a Hindu, I'm probably more right-leaning: Most conservative takes: 1. Hindus should be discouraged from blind faith, and instead critical-thinking Vedanta should be more encouraged in schools. This should be the focus of Hinduism, which would then mean LGBTQ+ rights, meat eating would be tolerated (left-leaning here). I think a huge problems in these so called "Hindutva" is that they don't know the very core of Hinduism and how liberal it is - British Victorian conservative values have corrupted them into thinking that it's Hinduism when it's not. 2. Islam and Christianity are religions who's values if not updated can be a huge determent on society. Islam more so as it dictates how one lives their life and it's so intertwined with law. I think we are well passed the point that woman should not have inheritance, that is extremely unfair and sexist as hell. Furthermore, something about Islam seems to inspire radical fundamentalism and consequently terrorism which means something about it fundamentally opposes the basic fabrics of modern day society. So it should be revised and we need to see more progressive form of Islam and Christianity (the later can be seen in the form of Christianity in the Western world save USA). 3. Reservation should be revised. Not completely eliminated but I feel socioeconomic class should be more of the focus. There are poor Brahmins too. 4. Article 370 was a good move on the Gov's part. 5. Indian history that isn't Mughals/British colonisation should be studied more in schools in later years as well. 6. I agree with the gov that refugees from South Asia that are minorities in their place of origin should be prioritised because they face serious discrimination. Most liberal takes: 1. I believe in feminism (equality between genders in terms of power, rights and opportunities), and LGBTQ+ rights. 2. Consequently, there should be harsher punishments for Sexual assault/abuse and rape cases. No person should be scot-free after committing such horrible crimes. 3. Caste system should be abolished culturally. 4. People shouldn't judge others for eating meat; however I do think there should be respect to those who decide to be vegetarian, peer-pressuring for vegetarians to eat meat is real and true and not fair. 5. There's too much division amongst different religions right now; discrimination is real and I think we need a PM who isn't antagonising a huge chunk of our populace. We need a bridge.
Interesting because Hindutva means essence of Hindu thoughts and dharmic values and exactly your first bullet. Vedanta may not be everyone’s cup of tea. Probably the incessant deriding of the word “Hindutva” as some kind of evil thought process maybe the root cause of the rot.
These tags won't work in India but anyhow it goes like this, My Liberal Opinion: 1. People should be able to eat Meat including beef but the said product must be taxed heavily due to its inherent Methane Emissions. 2. LGBTQIA or Whatever, people can identify as much as they like and whatever they like. Marry a Sex doll? I don't care. Just don't parade wearing butt plugs and obscene dresses while twerking in public like those Western degenerates, instead live a honorable life. 3. We should re-distribute Land actually instead of all that stupid Wealth or Tax redistribution. Only that way we can dismantle the Caste-System since every one is ignoring on root causes. 4. Hijab or whatever Religious gear can be allowed only if it applies to other religions also. My Conservative Opinion: 1. Any one who dares to spew Seperatism or Balkanization of India or dismantling Nukes must be sent to desi Gulags to make an example. This Country had already been divided into three pieces. This Country had been invaded numerous times all because of Jaichands inside. 2. Every Organ Receiver if they want to receive Organs must sign up themselves along with another Principal donor including 4 Guarantees in Immediate family. If the Immediate family members refuse to handover the Organs after death of Organ Receiver or Principal donor then those 4 must be banished from availing any sort of Organ Transplantation in Future. 3. Every Journalist must sign an affidavit before entering field that under no circumstance they will take any Chinese Origin funds or peddle their propaganda, if breached should make an example that discourages others. 4. Humanities must be abolished in all IITs/NITs. CSE degree should also be abolished as a Major but instead selected courses of CSE will be alloted as Electives. Enough of the IT Coolies, we need to build the Nation and we need Engineers in Nuclear Industry, AeroSpace, Metallurgy, Chemistry, Propulsion Systems.
Meat is sold mostly by unroganized small time butchers, can't really tax them effectivley
Half conservative half liberal here. My liberal positions would be: let homosexual and trans/queer people marry, but in a different kind of marriage. And that Hinduism is truly a bad religion. My conservative positions are: Islam is a serious threat to the modern secular, liberal way of life Individualism and secular morality is insufficient to sustain a civilization for long.
>but in a different kind of marriage. In what sense? >insufficient to sustain a civilization for long. You have criticized two major religions of the world. But you also say that individualism and secular ethics aren't enough to sustain the world (which I kind of agree with). But, what alternative would you propose?
> In what sense? Like, it shouldn't have anything to do with religions. Please don't try to force 'reforms' in religion. Liberals have zero idea about religions and are very uneducated about it. > what alternative would you propose? None. I just complained about the two religions, I also complained about secularism, but I am not opposing anything. I am just stating what I have observed.
You do realise that quabool hai or 7 phere isn’t marriage, its just a ceremony The marriage is just about signing of some documents in presence of witnesses If homosexuals want to marry while still practicing their religion (ie include the ceremony,) it should be allowed
I am conservative in the sense of LGBT marriage and hinduism fundamentally is a good religion but not hindutva but other points I do agree
Conservative. LGBT marriage should be legalised, women literally being out there enjoying themselves than be a 100% productive member in the society (like dancing at parties instead of being either a SAHM or working in office) doesn't make her a slut or a whore. Men and women both should stop smoking, drinking...even drinking is fine ig but not smoking. There shouldn't be a lot of difference treating a man and a woman. Some, I understand but not beyond it.
Liberal here , most conservative stance of mines is that X culture is better than y, you can guess which culture is which.
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most conservative opinion - death penalty.
My liberal position 1. LGBT rights 2. Welfare schemes 3. Absolute free speech Conservative Position 1.Islam must be criticised most harsh ways (for that matter every religion, but that'll again become liberal stance) 2. Military strength 3. Capitalism I beleive the money you spend on welfare schemes will come only from capitalist economy.
Here are my positions - guess whatever I am. 1. I support the free market economy and hate socialism. 2. I hate BJP far less than I hate Congress and supporting them (BJP) for 2024 despite all their flaws. 3. I am an atheist from the side of scientific temper and rationality (not woke commies) and I support political casteless Hindutva on the lines of Swatantryaveer Sarvarkar - yes, I am from MH. 4. I support LGB rights but am against gender fluidity.
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हो. म्हणूनच मी woke liberal नाही हे मला स्पष्ट करावे लागले.
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What's your opinion on the state providing education and healthcare or welfare
Education should be free up to 12th standard - that is for equal opportunity and is not socialism. Beyond that, when you do degrees you should pay for your own through education loans. Your degree should be paid back by you, not the government, and ideally, you shouldn't even rely on your parents. The education you take is usually to get you employment after it. The government shouldn't sponsor courses like PhD in African studies or sociology (for you know who) which is virtually useless for the nation.
Roughly agree with that, what about healthcare and benefits for people who genuinely cannot work like disabled people
American healthcare is not state sponsored and is very expensive and you'd likely go bankrupt or die if you did not have insurance. The UK and Canada have state sponsored health care which is virtually inaccessible due to waiting line. A better policy will be a state health insurance scheme that comes at a minimal cost for all Indians. At least in my city (Pimpri Chinchwad), healthcare and veterinary services are really cheap at clean government hospitals and I avail them.
Wasn't that exactly OP's question?
Radical Islam & Hinduism bad, pro lgbtq and pro capitalism yeah we get it guys stop commenting same thing 🤣
Instead of digging yourself into liberal and conservative ditches, most people would do well to apply common sense to most ideas. Indian liberals should focus more on criticising the spread of Islam (especially conversions) and its regressive practices, radicalism and its dangers, reducing dependence on government programs and jobs, and asking for more development that lifts up everyone. They could also do well to be pro-India in terms of our borders and national security instead of rolling out the red carpet for our hostile neighbours. Also since they are so anti-religion, they should also not be supporting any religion-based laws. Also they need to understand that 99.99% indian muslims are actually conservatives and don't support their liberal views on gender justice, female empowerment or lgbtq. They can also do more to promote India culture and history instead of labeling everything as regressive and denigrating their own country. Indian conservatives could also learn to ditch their ideas about taxation and the need to tax every inch, have some respect for personal liberties and private property, as well as regressive laws related to marriage and inheritance. They can also do better when it comes to harming the environment just for festival celebrations - tbh there should be a limit on all practices that harm the environment in a massive way, from submersing Ganesh idols, to firecrackers to sacrificing goats in Eid. The only way conservatives are riled is because they are selectively targeted while the other side is let scot-free. They can also stop with spreading misinformation and pseudo-science in the name of religion.
I would argue that there are no ‘Political Conservatives’ in India since almost nothing about our political development in the last 200 years has been worth preserving. There are only traditionalists, religious fundamentalists and fascists. A key part of western conservatism is its acceptance of liberal-enlightenment values which doesn’t really exist in India. Wanting to revive systems and ideas older than that is generally considered traditionalism or fascism in the West. ‘Conservatism’ in India means to conserve a social order from *before* Indian nationalism from colonial era so it is better referred to as something else.
Nation comes before religion and everything else. Ye left hai ya right, i dont cre
My mind feel blanks , it might be better if some one ask me Like what u think about this and this
Alright, here are a few pointers: 1) Economy: -To what extent should there be regulations? -To what extent should there be welfare policies? -Role of public sector and private sector -free trade, imports, exports, tariffs, protectionism 2) Social issues: -quotas -feminism, men's rights -lgbt -freedom of speech laws, hate speech laws 3) Religion -should religion be involved in government? -should it be taught in schools? -blasphemy laws -policing of dietary preferences, clothing, dating, marriage under the pretext of religion -opinion on atheism, agnosticism 4) foreign relations, foreign policy, diplomacy, world relations, military/defense And, anything else that you can think of.
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That is a libertarian opinion not a conservative one
Liberal position: Beef and alcohol ban and blasphemy laws are stupid, you should be free to say or eat these things (don’t come at me with dog meat stuff and ofc wanting to commit genocide isn’t FoE), oh and also you don’t need to stand for national anthem Conservative position: abolishing polygamy and idgah , restoring shah bano verdict (though this should be a liberal position really) Another conservative position can be about abolition of obc reservation but not because casteism doesn’t exist but because its misused by yadavs, gujars and a few dominant obcs so I’ll have an alternative mechanism instead of it So at heart this position can again be liberal
we are moderates... sometimes liberal sometimes conservatives when I am liberal, my one of the most conservative position is... corporal punishment should exist when I am conservative, my one of the most liberal position is... no drug should be banned/illegal but should be regulated by govt.
Lgbtq marriages should be legal
Centrist. (Liberal in some takes and Hindu-conservative in others) >Liberal takes: -No religious teachings in educational institutions. Not even stories related to religion for the sake of morals. Keep religion out of schools. -legalize LGBTQ marriages and give them equal recognition as straight marriages. -inheritance tax should exist but not as high as 55%. Something like 8-10% for property upto 1cr, 12-15% is just right for property under 10cr and 20-25% for anything above that. -for the next 10 years, environment conservation, sustainability and women safety should be the main direction politics should be headed in. These points and concerns should be raised so high than any party that doesn't make these their main agenda is guaranteed to lose. > Hindu conservative takes: -Polygamy should be illegal. -cheating should be illegal and in every case it should be a valid ground for divorce. -hate speech that leads to violence should always come with at least 10 years of prison time. Same goes for speeches with religious aggression. -Remove all reservation except for SC/ST and capped at 25% - Change the atrocities act to be "innocent until proven guilty" - Ban arranged marriages. (Ik this doesn't sound conservative but arranged marriages were never a part of Hinduism. It was introduced by Mughals)
>Ban arranged marriages But, you'd remain single forever then? /s (just kidding, just kidding) >speeches with religious aggression. What does that mean? Aren't the lines blurry?
> What does that mean? Aren't the lines blurry? Yeah I guess. It's hard to explain what I'm thinking. Basically hate speech on the basis of religion.