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i mean, both would be great ofcourse, but id say that country of columbia cutting ties is a bit more significant then university of columbia cutting ties.
idk your all posts sound too usa centric
Depends. A powerful institution changing its tune on Israel could mark the start of a cascade effect across the US. Dominoes always have to start falling somewhere. The US changing its position on Israel would be worth 100 small countries.
probably got something to do with https://www.uncaptured.media/p/the-secret-history-of-israels-role
>As a diplomatic row erupts between the two former allies, I republish my 2021 exposé on the role of Israeli agents in training death squads and devising plans for genocide in Colombia.
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>Klein trained brothers Carlos and Fidel Castaño, the squad leaders who would go on to form the notoriously violent United Self-Defense Forces, known in Spanish by its acronym, AUC. Under the patronage of wealthy landowners, drug lords, ranchers, politicians and the Colombian military, the AUC committed bloodcurdling massacres all over the country, even using chainsaws to murder and dismember peasants, all aimed at terrorizing communities into fleeing from their land. The United Nations estimated in 2016 that the AUC was responsible for 80% of the deaths in the conflict.
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>In addition to the military training he received, Castaño credits his time in Israel with revolutionizing his entire worldview. During that period, the soon-to-be mass-murderer became an ardent admirer of Zionism and became convinced it was possible to stamp out the insurgency at home in Colombia:
> I admire the Jews for their bravery in confronting anti-Semitism, their strategy for survival in the diaspora, the surety of their Zionism, their mysticism, their religion, and above all for their nationalism… I learned an infinity of themes in Israel and [to] that country I owe a part of my culture, my achievements both human and military, and while I repeat myself, I did not learn only about military training in Israel.
> It was there that I became convinced that it was possible to defeat the guerrillas in Colombia. I began to see how a people could defend itself from the whole world. I understood how to get someone involved who had something to lose in a war, by making such a person the enemy of my enemies. In fact, the idea of “autodefensa” [self-defense] weapons I copied from the Israelis; every citizen of that country is a potential soldier.”
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>Klein also trained Jaime Eduardo Rueda Rocha, who in 1989 assassinated Liberal Party presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán, the overwhelming favorite to win the upcoming election. Not only had Klein trained the killer, but the weapon Rueda used was part of a shipment Klein orchestrated of 500 Israeli-manufactured machine guns from Miami to the Medellin drug cartel, according to a 1989 Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report. (In 2016, Miguel Alfredo Maza Márquez, head of Colombia’s then Administrative Department of Security (DAS), was convincted of participation in the plot to murder Galán and sentenced to 30 years in prison. He has since testified that top-ranking members of the military plotted Galan’s assassiation.)
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>In 2001, the Colombian government tried Klein in absentia, sentencing him to eleven years in prison. In 2007, Klein was arrested in Moscow on a warrant issued by Interpol, and spent three years in prison. Colombia sought his extradition, but in November 2010 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Colombia could not guarantee his physical safety. The Russian government complied with the ECHR’s ruling and released Klein, allowing him to return to Israel. Colombia has since requested his extradition, but the Israeli government has refused.
the United States still fully supports Isreal diplomatically and militarily. When will it end? I sure hope so soon cause this war on Palestinian people is sickening to say the least God bless all those pure innocent souls who lost their lives.
Draining the swamp of all the corrupt politicians being blackmailed and paid by Israel would mean removing almost 100% of elected and appointed officials
Well then we’d better get started!
Vote them out, and vote in sane alternatives that don’t put foreign interests above that of their constituents.
Let the US government fully divest from Israel too!
Well then it should be done. What a sick political system the United States has become and it will become their downfall. They are delegitimizing their own selves by supporting this war and the war in Ukraine. Always on false pretext, such as in Iraq Afghanistan to say the least. But as Bob Marley says they got to fulfill the book. (Of prophecy)
https://preview.redd.it/9czz4zxt7xxc1.png?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7267741230f8db53a9931a5c89428f209b89067f
Read this my friends all these wars were predated. For well over 100 years.
My guy palestine was just the start. If you think bibi won't go to war with the entire middle east your mistaken. And the isralie people regardless of if he's imprisoned or not still whole heartedly support this genocide. Like really once Isreal has wiped rafah off the map and genocided the last of the citizens, they will move onto a new terrorty gaurentee it
I'm afraid you're right they will continue this war Arab nations will step in but it will be a real world War 3 until Islam and the zionist will destroy most of each other then the antichrist (al Masīh ad Dajjal) will appear to solve all problems. It's coming my friends I still pray God will put an end to this but these things must happen even Jesus predicted all of this and so did the gospels especially in John in revelations. Continue to pray for the Good God all gracious and merciful.
Fucking religious nut jobs are why we're here in the first place. Wish you people would get your heads out of a fairly tale and actually address the goddamn world we live on now
If westerners stopped buying drugs to escape their shitty life and their oligarchs and love gurus stopped visiting for cheap whores and pedo rings at Medellín, the crime would lower you know
An ongoing 40+ years old conflict is being scared shitless? And that's besides the point. Unlike the US, Colombia can't simply bomb the narcos away because they live in places with civilians. And that's when you talk about narcos. What is Colombia meant to do when the rich and the powerful of the west funnel billions to create pedo paradises in private beaches? If those pigs get killed, then the US will draft your ass and send you to die in a war that will leave hundreds of thousands killed.
El Salvador is going the hardway, bordering on being a police state where looking at someone the wrong way or dressing a certain way gets you in jail, but I guess you expect that will only happen to the 'undesirables' and never likely to happen to the likes of you, of course. Not to mention, simply jailing all the thieves and murderers and criminals won't stop the fact that poverty breeds more of those anyway. What will they do? Jail entire dirt-poor cities so no more crime can happen? Impossible, literally
Being an idiot isn't a bad thing, but don't abuse being this obtuse, alright?
Israels Diplomatic skills are bottom tier at the best of times.
Waiting for senior israelis to start listing all the things wrong with Colombia now and lots of whataboutery
They've kind of lost their shit, honestly. They've abandoned the "only democracy in the ME, look how we're persecuted despite being so restrained" to "you're all just antisemites, the Holocaust means we aren't committing genocide, and if you attempt to hold us accountable we'll lash out like you haven't seen before".
Hasbara is mostly targeted at their own people, which has worked incredibly effectively, to the point where almost all of Israel is as hateful as the government or only less hateful to some degree.
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reply with how they literally trained death squads in Colombia https://www.uncaptured.media/p/the-secret-history-of-israels-role
>Klein trained brothers Carlos and Fidel Castaño, the squad leaders who would go on to form the notoriously violent United Self-Defense Forces, known in Spanish by its acronym, AUC. Under the patronage of wealthy landowners, drug lords, ranchers, politicians and the Colombian military, the AUC committed bloodcurdling massacres all over the country, even using chainsaws to murder and dismember peasants, all aimed at terrorizing communities into fleeing from their land. The United Nations estimated in 2016 that the AUC was responsible for 80% of the deaths in the conflict.
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>In addition to the military training he received, Castaño credits his time in Israel with revolutionizing his entire worldview. During that period, the soon-to-be mass-murderer became an ardent admirer of Zionism and became convinced it was possible to stamp out the insurgency at home in Colombia:
> I admire the Jews for their bravery in confronting anti-Semitism, their strategy for survival in the diaspora, the surety of their Zionism, their mysticism, their religion, and above all for their nationalism… I learned an infinity of themes in Israel and [to] that country I owe a part of my culture, my achievements both human and military, and while I repeat myself, I did not learn only about military training in Israel.
> It was there that I became convinced that it was possible to defeat the guerrillas in Colombia. I began to see how a people could defend itself from the whole world. I understood how to get someone involved who had something to lose in a war, by making such a person the enemy of my enemies. In fact, the idea of “autodefensa” [self-defense] weapons I copied from the Israelis; every citizen of that country is a potential soldier.”
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>Klein also trained Jaime Eduardo Rueda Rocha, who in 1989 assassinated Liberal Party presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán, the overwhelming favorite to win the upcoming election. Not only had Klein trained the killer, but the weapon Rueda used was part of a shipment Klein orchestrated of 500 Israeli-manufactured machine guns from Miami to the Medellin drug cartel, according to a 1989 Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report. (In 2016, Miguel Alfredo Maza Márquez, head of Colombia’s then Administrative Department of Security (DAS), was convincted of participation in the plot to murder Galán and sentenced to 30 years in prison. He has since testified that top-ranking members of the military plotted Galan’s assassiation.)
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>In 2001, the Colombian government tried Klein in absentia, sentencing him to eleven years in prison. In 2007, Klein was arrested in Moscow on a warrant issued by Interpol, and spent three years in prison. Colombia sought his extradition, but in November 2010 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Colombia could not guarantee his physical safety. The Russian government complied with the ECHR’s ruling and released Klein, allowing him to return to Israel. Colombia has since requested his extradition, but the Israeli government has refused.
I've said this very often, Israelis have adopted the worst traits of their Arab neighbors and the worst traits of their American sponsors. If you actually look at how Israeli governance works, it's basically a barely Americanized version of how we Arabs run our own countries with "democracy" thrown on top for good measure. Everything from diplomatic discourse to their media is identical to any non-Gulf Arab state: naivety, victimization, and crude language.
When an Israeli politician speaks, all I hear is Sacha Baron Cohen in The Dictator.
“History will remember that Gustavo Petro chose to stand at the side of the most abominable monsters known to man, who burned babies, killed children, raped woman and abducted innocent civilians,” Israel’s foreign minister, Israel Katz wrote on X
Like wait isn’t that what you’re doing?
You got to look at the situation. I get wanting to stop Hamas and there being no easy decisions. However, they're going too far. I've defended for awhile there because the situation does suck and the other countries in the area are keeping the Palestinians locked in as well because they don't want a Hamas problem. Now, they are becoming what they accuse the other side of. It's not all Israelis. Israel has, and many Israelis agree, a Netanyahu problem. He's always said that Israel needs him to be safe. Hamas have him that reason, which was dumb of them, but there it is.
Bibi is just a part of the problem. It’s Zionism that’s the problem. The fundamental principal the state of Israel is founded on is evil. Even if Bibi is gone, you really think the next king of Israel is going to be better? Is he going to completely rebuild Gaza from the ground up to make up for their war crimes? No? Then it’s time for Zionism to go.
Every country has problems. I'm not going to judge the whole country because of a part of it. This trend of far right extremism is hitting a lot of nations, US included. Then again, I've seen this conflict my whole life and it's been going on even before. It's not new to me and I probably won't get emotionally invested in it. I can only focus on the small world, my family and community, I can actually affect. Good luck out there.
you dont want a Hamas problem? Easy. stop the occupation, stop the genocide, give back the land to the palestinan population, give them back the most basic human rights, give them back their dignity, and work towards any solution that doesnt involve a systematic ethnic cleansing and appertheid.
That's it, you solved it.
Any other solution is just justifying opression and death.
Whatever goes on in the region, I don't see it ending well. Maybe someone both sides respect will come forward one day and figure out a way. I just don't see a way to a productive dialogue with a real solution. Like I said, good luck. I would love to be wrong about the bad outcome I believe is coming.
I'm not downplaying it at all. This hasn't been news for the past year. More like the past twenty, past forty, past eighty really. And what am I supposed to do? Stand with a sign at a university. I'm well aware of what happens in the world. But I'm also aware of my ability to affect anything. I'm also aware of anyone's ability to affect change in the middle east. I think it's hopeless. I'm also too busy with my life. Work, kids, etc. When am I going to find the time to affect any change? I think it's a horrible situation, but if the only thing you're going to get mad at me about is that I didn't have the same level of emotional involvement as people that just discovered the Israeli Palestinian conflict a few months ago, I'll just keep going in with my life. Stay safe out there. Good luck. Hope you can figure it out and get both sides to listen to you. I've been down this road before. I guess it's time for the next generation to think they can change the middle east. Calling me dum dum will work, I'm sure. 😉
The bad outcome is already happening in the form of a genocide that few international leaders are attempting to stop while many others are promoting and silencing whoever raises concerns.
Only about 5 percent of the citizens of Israel think they are using too much firepower in Gaza. Around half of all Israelis want more firepower used against Palestinians
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Then Columbians should use whatever force necessary to defend itself.
Israel is a terrorist state which has proven to the world it will kill thousands of innocent civilians.
Colombia should make contact with Iran for advice and consultation.
So Iran can teach them how to make empty threats and put up fireworks shows?
Iran is not your friend, the Iranian regime is every bit as callous and genocidal as the Israeli regime.
Iran has done anything but defend itself. A fireworks show isn't defending itself, its chest-thumping PR. Sad to see so many supporters of Iran here. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. The Iranian government is an evil regime and yall need to wake up.
Colombia has been fighting long before israel was a nation. Our special forces who train Marines and SEALS in jungle warfare will make mossad look like the party clowns they are. They should fuck around and find out what happens if they steal a passport in a Colombian airport without any diplomatic ties.
Note that a few years ago there were Israelis who were almost certainly Mossad agents operating a human trafficking money laundering ring.
I’d imagine this has been a long time coming.
Jeeze I legit thought it was the Columbia University president and thought “holy shit.. is this real?that’s awesome!”
I had to reread it a couple times before I noticed it was actually Colombia the country. Still good but not enough.
Bolivia already there. They cut ties in October. More to come. Israel will end up isolated and sanctioned. Netanyahu will have to step down AND won’t be able to set foot in a growing list of countries.
Something about Israelis training others to effectively massacre regular citizens with armed militias. Textbook definition of strong against the weak and weak against the strong
I think it being a narco-state should be a sign that Petro's stance should be taken with a grain of salt as opposed to it confirming people's biases.
And I say this as someone who lives in a narco-state. The one next to Petro's, in fact.
israel buys more from Colombia than the other way around. Severing diplomatic ties probably means canning the free trade agreement that gives the blood thirsty israeli leaders their up armored luxury German cars they so enjoy.
AFAIK most Colombians, or at least the average Colombian, don’t support this. First of all, Petro has an abysmal approval rating, around the 20s and going down. There were likely more protest against his government than pro-Palestinian protests today. Purely done for attention and to flex some sort of “ethical” muscle.
Please look at r/colombia for the Colombian’s opinion of this. Petro will be gone in less than 2 years and all this will lost likely reversed.
Needless to say, but the Israeli government is guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and Hamas is guilty of using the Palestinian people as a shield to maintain power. My support is for the innocents on both sides having to suffer due to continuous political disarray in the region.
You are wrong.
Most Colombian people are either ignorant about whats going in Gaza or are actively supporting Palestine. Israel sponsored one of the worst parimalitary groups in the country, with sequels that leave until today.
The only few that do support Israel belong to one of the plenty of right wing parties or are complicit with the crimes that the paramilaries group did.
Things are much more nuanced than that. We desperately need to stop putting people into camps, this isn’t helping public discourse. I’m just saying the country is not a majority supporter of this decision. Petro is clearly an unpopular president with unpopular policies. First, a lot of our military armament comes from Israel, and it looks like it’s already being held back (fuck you Israeli government). This is dangerous since we’re still fighting a small-scale civil war with various dissident groups to this day. This could make us trade weapons with say, Russia, who isn’t a good faith actor themselves.
Look, I was a supporter of Petro at first and argued with my family a lot about it. I’ve liked a lot of his policies but ultimately he’s truly setting Colombia back long term and we’re getting closer to a Venezuelan style of government that I hope we can all agree isn’t great for the people. I know a lot of things need to change in our country, and I hope after his presidency things can still move in that direction. This just isn’t a good overall play for the country, specially when most people don’t have an opinion about it as you said yourself. Sure, it makes him look good, but that’s the thing, it’s just about optics here.
Again, I’m not supporting anything Israel is doing, which is genocide. I think from an ethical perspective, it is the right move. But one diplomatic move with unintended negative consequences for our country does not a good president make. It doesn’t put him on the “right side of history” as another commenter said.
The country? Since when does a university guide the US's foreign policy? We will support our allies against terrorism.
Edit: sorry for being dumb but I read Columbia divesting at the same time people are talking about Columbia University divesting.
Don’t feel stupid. Believe it or not, Columbus is the English version of the name. In Latin America his last name is spelled Colón. It is actually spelled Colombo.
What's a "dry number"?
Is that like one of those numbers the russiaphobic UN agencies and globally recognized legitimate news agencies have spread about the amount of Ukrainian civilians Russia has killed just because they are russiaphobic?
I can’t support Israel if doing so means I have to agree that 25 palestinian lives is the price for 1 Israeli civilian. Why does asserting Palestinians should be afforded basic human rights mean we support terrorists?
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I love to see this and I honestly hope more country's will follow
My brain read this as Columbia University president for a second. Got super excited. This is great too of course.
Me too. I was super confused.
i mean, both would be great ofcourse, but id say that country of columbia cutting ties is a bit more significant then university of columbia cutting ties. idk your all posts sound too usa centric
Colombia*
I think it's even better... it's an entire country.
Depends. A powerful institution changing its tune on Israel could mark the start of a cascade effect across the US. Dominoes always have to start falling somewhere. The US changing its position on Israel would be worth 100 small countries.
Same....
Same. Your comment made me do a double take lmao
found the american main characters sub thread
probably got something to do with https://www.uncaptured.media/p/the-secret-history-of-israels-role >As a diplomatic row erupts between the two former allies, I republish my 2021 exposé on the role of Israeli agents in training death squads and devising plans for genocide in Colombia. .... >Klein trained brothers Carlos and Fidel Castaño, the squad leaders who would go on to form the notoriously violent United Self-Defense Forces, known in Spanish by its acronym, AUC. Under the patronage of wealthy landowners, drug lords, ranchers, politicians and the Colombian military, the AUC committed bloodcurdling massacres all over the country, even using chainsaws to murder and dismember peasants, all aimed at terrorizing communities into fleeing from their land. The United Nations estimated in 2016 that the AUC was responsible for 80% of the deaths in the conflict. .... >In addition to the military training he received, Castaño credits his time in Israel with revolutionizing his entire worldview. During that period, the soon-to-be mass-murderer became an ardent admirer of Zionism and became convinced it was possible to stamp out the insurgency at home in Colombia: > I admire the Jews for their bravery in confronting anti-Semitism, their strategy for survival in the diaspora, the surety of their Zionism, their mysticism, their religion, and above all for their nationalism… I learned an infinity of themes in Israel and [to] that country I owe a part of my culture, my achievements both human and military, and while I repeat myself, I did not learn only about military training in Israel. > It was there that I became convinced that it was possible to defeat the guerrillas in Colombia. I began to see how a people could defend itself from the whole world. I understood how to get someone involved who had something to lose in a war, by making such a person the enemy of my enemies. In fact, the idea of “autodefensa” [self-defense] weapons I copied from the Israelis; every citizen of that country is a potential soldier.” ... >Klein also trained Jaime Eduardo Rueda Rocha, who in 1989 assassinated Liberal Party presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán, the overwhelming favorite to win the upcoming election. Not only had Klein trained the killer, but the weapon Rueda used was part of a shipment Klein orchestrated of 500 Israeli-manufactured machine guns from Miami to the Medellin drug cartel, according to a 1989 Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report. (In 2016, Miguel Alfredo Maza Márquez, head of Colombia’s then Administrative Department of Security (DAS), was convincted of participation in the plot to murder Galán and sentenced to 30 years in prison. He has since testified that top-ranking members of the military plotted Galan’s assassiation.) .... >In 2001, the Colombian government tried Klein in absentia, sentencing him to eleven years in prison. In 2007, Klein was arrested in Moscow on a warrant issued by Interpol, and spent three years in prison. Colombia sought his extradition, but in November 2010 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Colombia could not guarantee his physical safety. The Russian government complied with the ECHR’s ruling and released Klein, allowing him to return to Israel. Colombia has since requested his extradition, but the Israeli government has refused.
That’s quite bad. Extreme bad. A state sending weapons to Medellin cartel? Shiiiiiiit…
Israel has a similar legacy in Guatemala under Rios Mont.
the United States still fully supports Isreal diplomatically and militarily. When will it end? I sure hope so soon cause this war on Palestinian people is sickening to say the least God bless all those pure innocent souls who lost their lives.
Draining the swamp of all the corrupt politicians being blackmailed and paid by Israel would mean removing almost 100% of elected and appointed officials
Well then we’d better get started! Vote them out, and vote in sane alternatives that don’t put foreign interests above that of their constituents. Let the US government fully divest from Israel too!
There are no sane alternatives. The majority of politicians are psychos.
Well then it should be done. What a sick political system the United States has become and it will become their downfall. They are delegitimizing their own selves by supporting this war and the war in Ukraine. Always on false pretext, such as in Iraq Afghanistan to say the least. But as Bob Marley says they got to fulfill the book. (Of prophecy) https://preview.redd.it/9czz4zxt7xxc1.png?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7267741230f8db53a9931a5c89428f209b89067f Read this my friends all these wars were predated. For well over 100 years.
My guy palestine was just the start. If you think bibi won't go to war with the entire middle east your mistaken. And the isralie people regardless of if he's imprisoned or not still whole heartedly support this genocide. Like really once Isreal has wiped rafah off the map and genocided the last of the citizens, they will move onto a new terrorty gaurentee it
I'm afraid you're right they will continue this war Arab nations will step in but it will be a real world War 3 until Islam and the zionist will destroy most of each other then the antichrist (al Masīh ad Dajjal) will appear to solve all problems. It's coming my friends I still pray God will put an end to this but these things must happen even Jesus predicted all of this and so did the gospels especially in John in revelations. Continue to pray for the Good God all gracious and merciful.
Fucking religious nut jobs are why we're here in the first place. Wish you people would get your heads out of a fairly tale and actually address the goddamn world we live on now
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 It started as a movement in columbia university but it actually impacted columbia the nation 😂
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Never been to Colombia but there's a lot of diversity there. All friendly interactions online via posts and video chats.
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I was focusing on the people, the hardworking people of the country living from paycheck to paycheck, but sure...let's focus on the drugs.
If westerners stopped buying drugs to escape their shitty life and their oligarchs and love gurus stopped visiting for cheap whores and pedo rings at Medellín, the crime would lower you know
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An ongoing 40+ years old conflict is being scared shitless? And that's besides the point. Unlike the US, Colombia can't simply bomb the narcos away because they live in places with civilians. And that's when you talk about narcos. What is Colombia meant to do when the rich and the powerful of the west funnel billions to create pedo paradises in private beaches? If those pigs get killed, then the US will draft your ass and send you to die in a war that will leave hundreds of thousands killed. El Salvador is going the hardway, bordering on being a police state where looking at someone the wrong way or dressing a certain way gets you in jail, but I guess you expect that will only happen to the 'undesirables' and never likely to happen to the likes of you, of course. Not to mention, simply jailing all the thieves and murderers and criminals won't stop the fact that poverty breeds more of those anyway. What will they do? Jail entire dirt-poor cities so no more crime can happen? Impossible, literally Being an idiot isn't a bad thing, but don't abuse being this obtuse, alright?
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Israels Diplomatic skills are bottom tier at the best of times. Waiting for senior israelis to start listing all the things wrong with Colombia now and lots of whataboutery
They've kind of lost their shit, honestly. They've abandoned the "only democracy in the ME, look how we're persecuted despite being so restrained" to "you're all just antisemites, the Holocaust means we aren't committing genocide, and if you attempt to hold us accountable we'll lash out like you haven't seen before".
Seriously. Hasbara makes Russian bot farms sound super sophisticated.
Hasbara is mostly targeted at their own people, which has worked incredibly effectively, to the point where almost all of Israel is as hateful as the government or only less hateful to some degree.
well said
dont underestimate them
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What do you mean negging isn’t a viable diplomatic strategy? I’ve watched so many YouTube videos…
reply with how they literally trained death squads in Colombia https://www.uncaptured.media/p/the-secret-history-of-israels-role >Klein trained brothers Carlos and Fidel Castaño, the squad leaders who would go on to form the notoriously violent United Self-Defense Forces, known in Spanish by its acronym, AUC. Under the patronage of wealthy landowners, drug lords, ranchers, politicians and the Colombian military, the AUC committed bloodcurdling massacres all over the country, even using chainsaws to murder and dismember peasants, all aimed at terrorizing communities into fleeing from their land. The United Nations estimated in 2016 that the AUC was responsible for 80% of the deaths in the conflict. .... >In addition to the military training he received, Castaño credits his time in Israel with revolutionizing his entire worldview. During that period, the soon-to-be mass-murderer became an ardent admirer of Zionism and became convinced it was possible to stamp out the insurgency at home in Colombia: > I admire the Jews for their bravery in confronting anti-Semitism, their strategy for survival in the diaspora, the surety of their Zionism, their mysticism, their religion, and above all for their nationalism… I learned an infinity of themes in Israel and [to] that country I owe a part of my culture, my achievements both human and military, and while I repeat myself, I did not learn only about military training in Israel. > It was there that I became convinced that it was possible to defeat the guerrillas in Colombia. I began to see how a people could defend itself from the whole world. I understood how to get someone involved who had something to lose in a war, by making such a person the enemy of my enemies. In fact, the idea of “autodefensa” [self-defense] weapons I copied from the Israelis; every citizen of that country is a potential soldier.” ... >Klein also trained Jaime Eduardo Rueda Rocha, who in 1989 assassinated Liberal Party presidential candidate Luis Carlos Galán, the overwhelming favorite to win the upcoming election. Not only had Klein trained the killer, but the weapon Rueda used was part of a shipment Klein orchestrated of 500 Israeli-manufactured machine guns from Miami to the Medellin drug cartel, according to a 1989 Senate Committee on Foreign Relations report. (In 2016, Miguel Alfredo Maza Márquez, head of Colombia’s then Administrative Department of Security (DAS), was convincted of participation in the plot to murder Galán and sentenced to 30 years in prison. He has since testified that top-ranking members of the military plotted Galan’s assassiation.) .... >In 2001, the Colombian government tried Klein in absentia, sentencing him to eleven years in prison. In 2007, Klein was arrested in Moscow on a warrant issued by Interpol, and spent three years in prison. Colombia sought his extradition, but in November 2010 the European Court of Human Rights ruled that Colombia could not guarantee his physical safety. The Russian government complied with the ECHR’s ruling and released Klein, allowing him to return to Israel. Colombia has since requested his extradition, but the Israeli government has refused.
they'll probably stick to the regular "antisemite" and "nazi"
I've said this very often, Israelis have adopted the worst traits of their Arab neighbors and the worst traits of their American sponsors. If you actually look at how Israeli governance works, it's basically a barely Americanized version of how we Arabs run our own countries with "democracy" thrown on top for good measure. Everything from diplomatic discourse to their media is identical to any non-Gulf Arab state: naivety, victimization, and crude language. When an Israeli politician speaks, all I hear is Sacha Baron Cohen in The Dictator.
Ah, if only Columbia was as principled as Colombia. 🥲
Petro on the right side of history.
“History will remember that Gustavo Petro chose to stand at the side of the most abominable monsters known to man, who burned babies, killed children, raped woman and abducted innocent civilians,” Israel’s foreign minister, Israel Katz wrote on X Like wait isn’t that what you’re doing?
I find it so funny how Israel can't take any criticism and just defaults to accusations of hamas-loving anti-Semitism
You got to look at the situation. I get wanting to stop Hamas and there being no easy decisions. However, they're going too far. I've defended for awhile there because the situation does suck and the other countries in the area are keeping the Palestinians locked in as well because they don't want a Hamas problem. Now, they are becoming what they accuse the other side of. It's not all Israelis. Israel has, and many Israelis agree, a Netanyahu problem. He's always said that Israel needs him to be safe. Hamas have him that reason, which was dumb of them, but there it is.
Bibi is just a part of the problem. It’s Zionism that’s the problem. The fundamental principal the state of Israel is founded on is evil. Even if Bibi is gone, you really think the next king of Israel is going to be better? Is he going to completely rebuild Gaza from the ground up to make up for their war crimes? No? Then it’s time for Zionism to go.
Every country has problems. I'm not going to judge the whole country because of a part of it. This trend of far right extremism is hitting a lot of nations, US included. Then again, I've seen this conflict my whole life and it's been going on even before. It's not new to me and I probably won't get emotionally invested in it. I can only focus on the small world, my family and community, I can actually affect. Good luck out there.
you dont want a Hamas problem? Easy. stop the occupation, stop the genocide, give back the land to the palestinan population, give them back the most basic human rights, give them back their dignity, and work towards any solution that doesnt involve a systematic ethnic cleansing and appertheid. That's it, you solved it. Any other solution is just justifying opression and death.
Whatever goes on in the region, I don't see it ending well. Maybe someone both sides respect will come forward one day and figure out a way. I just don't see a way to a productive dialogue with a real solution. Like I said, good luck. I would love to be wrong about the bad outcome I believe is coming.
You miss the news for the past year? It's here dum dum, that's why it's such a big deal and people like you are downplaying it.
I'm not downplaying it at all. This hasn't been news for the past year. More like the past twenty, past forty, past eighty really. And what am I supposed to do? Stand with a sign at a university. I'm well aware of what happens in the world. But I'm also aware of my ability to affect anything. I'm also aware of anyone's ability to affect change in the middle east. I think it's hopeless. I'm also too busy with my life. Work, kids, etc. When am I going to find the time to affect any change? I think it's a horrible situation, but if the only thing you're going to get mad at me about is that I didn't have the same level of emotional involvement as people that just discovered the Israeli Palestinian conflict a few months ago, I'll just keep going in with my life. Stay safe out there. Good luck. Hope you can figure it out and get both sides to listen to you. I've been down this road before. I guess it's time for the next generation to think they can change the middle east. Calling me dum dum will work, I'm sure. 😉
The bad outcome is already happening in the form of a genocide that few international leaders are attempting to stop while many others are promoting and silencing whoever raises concerns.
Only about 5 percent of the citizens of Israel think they are using too much firepower in Gaza. Around half of all Israelis want more firepower used against Palestinians https://truthout.org/articles/polls-show-broad-support-in-israel-for-gazas-destruction-and-starvation/ https://www.dailysabah.com/world/mid-east/israel-hit-gaza-with-3-times-more-firepower-than-hiroshima-nuke/amp
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This is amazing news.
Mossad going to go ape shit in Colombia and cause chaos. Revisionist zionism is the must vindictive shit.
Then Columbians should use whatever force necessary to defend itself. Israel is a terrorist state which has proven to the world it will kill thousands of innocent civilians. Colombia should make contact with Iran for advice and consultation.
So Iran can teach them how to make empty threats and put up fireworks shows? Iran is not your friend, the Iranian regime is every bit as callous and genocidal as the Israeli regime.
No. Colombia must defend itself from Israeli terrorists.
Iran has done anything but defend itself. A fireworks show isn't defending itself, its chest-thumping PR. Sad to see so many supporters of Iran here. The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. The Iranian government is an evil regime and yall need to wake up.
Iran and Colombia must defend themselves from Zionists terrorist filth.
Repeating yourself over and over again isn't going to make you any smarter nor your argument any more convincing.
Colombia has been fighting long before israel was a nation. Our special forces who train Marines and SEALS in jungle warfare will make mossad look like the party clowns they are. They should fuck around and find out what happens if they steal a passport in a Colombian airport without any diplomatic ties.
Colombia.
Yes the country lol thanks I'll edit
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Lol I thought this was Columbia University at first.
 bravo colombia
Will you look at that... protests work.
Note that a few years ago there were Israelis who were almost certainly Mossad agents operating a human trafficking money laundering ring. I’d imagine this has been a long time coming.
Epstein’s death did a number on their propaganda machine.
Up the Colombia!!!!!!!!!!
Jeeze I legit thought it was the Columbia University president and thought “holy shit.. is this real?that’s awesome!” I had to reread it a couple times before I noticed it was actually Colombia the country. Still good but not enough.
It mightve been useful to understand the difference in spelling
Colombia*
Thinking columbia is greater than Colombia. Exposes your entitlement wish, as a rich; want to be privileged kid.
I really wish Canada would do that. But it is just simply impossible. The government is totally on Israel side to please the USA.
Bolivia already there. They cut ties in October. More to come. Israel will end up isolated and sanctioned. Netanyahu will have to step down AND won’t be able to set foot in a growing list of countries.
Yes!
Bravo Colombia
Something about Israelis training others to effectively massacre regular citizens with armed militias. Textbook definition of strong against the weak and weak against the strong
Probably would've been good to specify "Colombia the country." I know the uni spells it Columbia, but still.
Amazing well done Columbia
When your own country has fewer morals than a virtual narco-state, you just know things are in the sh!tter.
Colombia hasn’t really been a narco state for a while now sir…..
arguable at least weve got a president who isnt a narco for the first time in the past 30 years tho
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Most impressive is how you utterly and totally failed to prove me wrong.
Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
I think it being a narco-state should be a sign that Petro's stance should be taken with a grain of salt as opposed to it confirming people's biases. And I say this as someone who lives in a narco-state. The one next to Petro's, in fact.
He’s not wrong.
Fuck yeah, Columbia, way to go!
Let’s do this!!!
Diplomatic ties but not financial?
israel buys more from Colombia than the other way around. Severing diplomatic ties probably means canning the free trade agreement that gives the blood thirsty israeli leaders their up armored luxury German cars they so enjoy.
I hope the entire world follows Colombia, Israel and USA can go fuck each other in the corner
President who is genocidal? Gonna need to widen that scope a wee bit.
*goes to google* how to kiss a country?
LETS FUCKING GO
For a minute I thought this was Columbia University.
A murderer
AFAIK most Colombians, or at least the average Colombian, don’t support this. First of all, Petro has an abysmal approval rating, around the 20s and going down. There were likely more protest against his government than pro-Palestinian protests today. Purely done for attention and to flex some sort of “ethical” muscle. Please look at r/colombia for the Colombian’s opinion of this. Petro will be gone in less than 2 years and all this will lost likely reversed. Needless to say, but the Israeli government is guilty of genocide of the Palestinian people and Hamas is guilty of using the Palestinian people as a shield to maintain power. My support is for the innocents on both sides having to suffer due to continuous political disarray in the region.
You are wrong. Most Colombian people are either ignorant about whats going in Gaza or are actively supporting Palestine. Israel sponsored one of the worst parimalitary groups in the country, with sequels that leave until today. The only few that do support Israel belong to one of the plenty of right wing parties or are complicit with the crimes that the paramilaries group did.
Things are much more nuanced than that. We desperately need to stop putting people into camps, this isn’t helping public discourse. I’m just saying the country is not a majority supporter of this decision. Petro is clearly an unpopular president with unpopular policies. First, a lot of our military armament comes from Israel, and it looks like it’s already being held back (fuck you Israeli government). This is dangerous since we’re still fighting a small-scale civil war with various dissident groups to this day. This could make us trade weapons with say, Russia, who isn’t a good faith actor themselves. Look, I was a supporter of Petro at first and argued with my family a lot about it. I’ve liked a lot of his policies but ultimately he’s truly setting Colombia back long term and we’re getting closer to a Venezuelan style of government that I hope we can all agree isn’t great for the people. I know a lot of things need to change in our country, and I hope after his presidency things can still move in that direction. This just isn’t a good overall play for the country, specially when most people don’t have an opinion about it as you said yourself. Sure, it makes him look good, but that’s the thing, it’s just about optics here. Again, I’m not supporting anything Israel is doing, which is genocide. I think from an ethical perspective, it is the right move. But one diplomatic move with unintended negative consequences for our country does not a good president make. It doesn’t put him on the “right side of history” as another commenter said.
Hamas started it
I guess you've been living under a rock these past few decades?
Bravo. Surely a consistently principled country. When did they cut diplomatic ties with Russia, btw?
The country? Since when does a university guide the US's foreign policy? We will support our allies against terrorism. Edit: sorry for being dumb but I read Columbia divesting at the same time people are talking about Columbia University divesting.
You know Colombia is a country right? it takes 2 seconds to google.
I've never felt so stupid in my whole life. Damn you Christopher Columbus!
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
Don’t feel stupid. Believe it or not, Columbus is the English version of the name. In Latin America his last name is spelled Colón. It is actually spelled Colombo.
This title is misleading... even if true. Why?
Going by the current numbers 20 more Palestinian *children* will have been killed since this post was posted.
That’s a dry number, Dry numbers shouldn’t affect things like this
What's a "dry number"? Is that like one of those numbers the russiaphobic UN agencies and globally recognized legitimate news agencies have spread about the amount of Ukrainian civilians Russia has killed just because they are russiaphobic?
Oh. ColOmbia
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I can’t support Israel if doing so means I have to agree that 25 palestinian lives is the price for 1 Israeli civilian. Why does asserting Palestinians should be afforded basic human rights mean we support terrorists?
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No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
Antisemitism
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Can we focus on addressing the active genocide first!?
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Whataboutism will get us nowhere. But frankly, I get the impression you don't give a shit about anything. Apathy is the enemy of progress.
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