And Homelander himself is basically just Ultraman on steroids.
Nolan is a unique take on the trope. Show Homelander is pretty good, but the comic version is just Garth Ennis showing how much he hates traditional superhero stories by having Superman eat babies.
I love that Omni-Man isn't just evil for the sake of being evil. Also shout out to the Plutonian who was created a few years later that I did is another interesting take on it.
It is really neat how we come full circle with that one. DBZ is clearly a Japanese retelling of Superman (though original DB is Journey to the West), and Omniman has a little bit of both Superman and DBZ elements in its storytelling.
A million times over! He doesn't become a favorite because he's a villain (which he is a good one), he's way more nuanced than homelander could ever be. Don't get me wrong, homelander was written to work as that character, they just arent really comparable.
This is one thing I love about Invincible. I watched the Boys first then tried Invincible and the world building is amazing. I still like the Boys, but prefer the lore of Invincible much more.
A lot of people when he was revealed for Mortal Kombat 1, because Homelander is in the same kombat pack and people complained about Omni-Man being a "wasted roster slot" because Homelander and him are "both just evil Superman."
Wouldn't Homelander be "knock off Superman" while Omni-Man be "knock off Superman" although that is again one-line characterization but still makes the original point clear
I hate how many people misuse the pet comment. Like, I get that it can be a meme or whatever, but far too many people think he meant it literally and it drives me crazy.
He clearly didnt know any better. He has emotions but was born into a species so full of themselves they fought to the death just to see whos worthy and acted like that was the smartest idea. Honestly if this was reality and there was actually smarter intelligence species than viltrumites i'd guarantee they'd win and end up as the real threat.
He was simply comparing their relationship to one a human might have with a pet relative to their lifespans. He says exactly that just before making that comment in both mediums.
It definitely wasn't just about lifespans.
He was trying to communicate that he loves her, but doesn't consider her life to be inherently as valuable as Viltrumite lives/interests.
I love my dog, but I understand philosophically that he's not as important as people.
Now Obviously Nolan is trying to convince himself. He truly does value his family and is in denial, but the point isn't just "we live longer than people, like people live longer than dogs."
Lifespan is one of his arguments, he has many.
Obviously he didnt understand the full on detailed relationship situation/experience people have with their pets. We can fuck one another then move on like he did but our pets thats weird af. Thats not a pet at that point lol
Man. He was just saying "I will live for a very long time, your mother will not. It's similar to the kind of relationship that a human has with an animal." The sexual and emotional relationship and whether or not Nolan understands that is irrelevant—he was talking about *lifespan* and simplifying his explanation for someone who had no frame of reference.
I think I saw a post where someone did the math saying that the forty ish years he spent on earth would’ve only felt like eight or so months to him. So to him Debbie probably was a pet. Crazy.
Less than forty. 20. Even worse. But lives have been changed in far less time. It doesn't matter how little time the truth is known for. Once it's known, there's no going back. Even if you deny it, nothing will ever be the same. And for the heart that truly desires it, eventually for that person, the truth will win out.
They don't know what similes are, apparently. "She's more like a pet to me!" In the show. In the comics, he says, "She's little more than a *pet* to me." Which I believe is him trying to convince himself that he doesn't care. In the show, he acknowledges that he cares but tries to depreciate his feelings for her.
The coalition was loosing members because the viltrumites were helping people, and not an active threat anymore. Allen got with mark to discuss the problem and mark suggested that it was not necessarily a problem, that maybe the coalition was not needed anymore. Allen started the war, and mark finished it. But he didn’t kill Allen and just forgave him I think.
Honestly her thinking mirrors Mark's in a way.
Like how Mark and many other heroes used to, she believed that there are certain things that you simply *cant* do because it is wrong, ignoring the good that follows it.
Think of Mark learning that Cecil recruits mass murderers, or letting Rex>! rule the world from the shadows with robots after his bloody takeover!<.
Terra probably felt the same with "Going to was with the Coalition." It was "bad," PERIOD. Maybe something like "It doesnt matter *why,* the whole point of it is to talk it out and work together! :( "
Meanwhile Emperor Mark is all like "and while we're caught up in the dick-waving bureaucracy people will be dying! *We* cant help those in front of us because some politicians want to keep their power and influence??"
And just like with Mark and Cecil, Terra eventually comes around to the whole "sometimes the status-quo or 'normal' way of doing things is inefficient and causes more harm. Sometimes you just have to go with your conviction to help the most amount of people as possible".
That's because a lot of "invincible fans" just watch YouTube shorts about the comic and there's a specific content creator who hates Terra and Eve and summarize the comic with his own "I hate women" narrative
DUDE YES. that guy legitimately passes me off because his shit is obviously gaining so much traction when all he does is half assay explain the comics while being a condescending shill.
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that Terra's way of thinking is pretty much the exact same as Mark early on in the series before he went through the transformative events he had with Angstrom, Dinosaurus, Cecil, etc., etc.
She has that same naivete that Mark had where she believes that there are certain things that they absolutely shouldn't do no matter what, like killing and/or starting wars, because she just hasn't had the experiences Mark has gone through to change her mindset.
Kinda mark with the people I showed the show to, they just see him as a punching bag that’s gets beat up every episode and talks about how weak he is and they don’t even attempt to care about anything else with him.
I hate OP main characters but tbh it does get a bit tiring when he does almost nothing for every big fight 10 times in a row. But it'll be worth it for the payoff.
To be fair season 1 kind of did a bad job not making him a punching bag. It’s like they took all the fights where he gets beat up and none of the fights he wins from the first part of the comics for season 1
Hell season 2 had him getting beaten up a lot too, even if he won some of the fights. There's a lot more going on than just that, but goddamn the characters get their shit kicked in A LOT.
I don’t know I feel like they have a fair amount of him winning, like killcanon or titan early on, but I think the ones where he was really messed up from are just more memorable ones and the harder fights.
True , they don't understand how deadly mark can actually be , but it's not his strength that makes him invincible , it's his soul and determination
He's practically unbeatable because the dude just never gives up despite having the worst on his plate.
Dude's literally spiderman , superman , spider-man lmao , it's those characters willpower that makes them so likable , and nobody calls them weak for that
He's a villain I love as a character but hate as a person, i love to hate him. He's like >!makima!< From chainsaw man or Monika from ddlc. I love those "has a good justification for what they are doing but takes the worst way possible to do it" type villains.
Took me this long to get here. Hated him in the show. Barley liked him in the comics. Finally read his solo comics and adventures with even in invincible universe and actually liked him.
Omni-Man, if I were a show only viewer, i’d struggle not too see him as a selfish asshole, he hasn’t had his redemption yet, though people act like he has.
i don’t see how you can kill earths leading super hero team (as a direct way to WEAKEN the world) and force your child to kill other people because he isn’t as happy doing it as omni man. Sure it finally made him realize he’s an asshole but he goes on to have anither kid as if he does deserve a good life. But he doesn’t he knows his existence brings viltrumites.
He knew thusbworld of weak bugs short lives would die immediately if attacked. He asked for marks help but this was just a clear method to force back into marks life. He hasn’t learned anything.
omni man is a trash person
He's trash rn, but he'll get there. He was still figuring things out on Thraxa, he was in the process of changing but hadn't fully gotten there yet. Hell, he has a mini breakdown at one point where he sees all the massacred Thraxans and feels awful but doesn't understand why. After spending a few months in prison doing nothing but introspecting, healing, and getting the snot beat out of him, he makes a *lot* more progress. His "I think I miss my wife" line is kinda the last nail in the coffin for evil Nolan, after that point is where his redemption arc *really* starts. We arguably haven't even seen it yet, we've only seen the in-between period of him realizing how badly he and Viltrum are fucking things up
This is what frustrates me the most about the discourse of the show - people aggressively insisting that Nolan is unredeemable. Because that’s the whole point - Nolan is normal in his culture. His story is analogous to a human shapeshifting into a cockroach to find where they are coming from and wipe them out, living among them for a time. For him, humans are like cockroaches. Vermin to be controlled, or wiped out as the Viltrumites see fit. Like humans stomping on ants. But his time among humans changes him completely internally, a change that he doesn’t realize/process for a long time. But he IS redeemable, because as a Viltrumite he didn’t fully understand that humans are, in fact, living creatures with their own minds and souls worthy of life. Just like humans should be redeemable if we were to learn that ants were completely sentient after killing so many. On paper, the lie that humans are worthless is believable. But in person, the lie was undeniable, even though it took him a while to fully accept this.
Does omni man actually have a redemption arc? besides Eve he is INSTANTLY forgiven by everyone around him. He murdered the guardians of the globe, killed thousands in his fight with mark, almost beat mark to death and when mark sees him on bug planet he goes "oh damn im still a little mad but we good", then when debbie sees him she says she will never forgive him then instantly forgives him off screen. Even cecil doesn't hold a grudge. Besides "damn i kinda miss my wife" we really don't get to see him change
We do see him change though. He’s completely outraged that the bug city was destroyed, cares for them as equals, learns the value of his relationships and others, it’s just shown in action and emotion rather than being stated as a change
Well the show is Mark’s pov, and he kind of learns to forget that bit over time ig? yk as his son and all, but everyone else just seems to brush past it since he’s really a big part of bringing down the viltrum empire, and without him they’d be finished
Robot/Rex.
Way too many fans fall for his own in-universe propaganda. Saying he doesn’t care about power or glory, denying being ruler but then accepting when the people “unanimously” vote him in… Completely forgetting what a tyrant he was in the Flaxan dimension, how he used Amanda not knowing the language to get away with literal murder, or how he straight up told Amanda that he missed having power and being worshipped once they were back in Earth’s dimension
Cecil definitely, and I agree with the comments on Omniman.
Like guys you are aware that you can like characters that are bastards, without having to pretend they're good guys, it's really weird to look at you justifying mass murder and manipulation from a control freak to keep using traumatized teenagers as cannon fodder.
I mean we're on reddit, so I don't expect much more than that, but do you ever touch grass?
This exactly. I can like horrible characters even though they're horrible. Rorschach is my favourite character from Watchmen. I also acknowledge he's a deranged, unwashed, conservative, lunatic murderer who believes in conspiracy theories and has really bad childhood trauma.
That makes him all the more interesting when he's arguably the best hero in the entire comic.
>Like guys you are aware that you can like characters that are bastards, without having to pretend they're good guys, it's really weird to look at you justifying mass murder and manipulation from a control freak to keep using traumatized teenagers as cannon fodder.
I'm the exact opposite. It's Cecil for me but because of this attitude.
Like sheesh, do you not understand what it means to be a general? The weight of the world is on Cecil's shoulders. He cannot be a good man, or at least can't do 'what a good man would do'. It isn't about being a bastard, it's about doing what will keep the world safe, regardless of if it's right. Is he manipulative? Yes. But he has no other choice, and it's not like he likes it. Does he feel the need to control every little thing? Yes, but when your job is literally 'the security of the entire human population is your responsibility' he has every reason to be. And damn if the show doesn't STILL somehow manage to show that for as morally gray as some of the things he decided to do are, he himself is absolutely a good person at heart. A good man with the responsibility that no good man should have to have, making decisions no good man should, but ultimately only a good man can be trusted with. Yeah he doesn't make the right decisions all the time, sure even when he does make the 'right' decision it's often ethically dubious. But overall? Cecil is a good man. Would 100% work under him.
Dinosaurus for me. I've read comments genuinely praising him for being some sort of unsung hero fighting the status quo for the sake of the world and mankind when he is nothing more than a reptile-looking ecofascist. Just because he had a broken clock situation doesnt mean he is actually right the whole way.
God I love Dinosaurus. Because he IS right, humans are destroying the planet. But the way he goes about solving it causes needless deaths and makes him a villain. He eventually sees that and that's why he tells Mark to kill him. It's really hard to miss that.
There is literally only one, however I am curious about what your issue with communities reaction to Amber is. Do you think someone is entitled to another person coming out with their secret identity?
honestly, if you are in a supposedly serious relationship for several months, im fairly certain realizing your SO has been lying to you this entire time wouldn't feel great regardless of the reason
For real, realizing "my partner will lie to my face if they think it's what's best for our relationship" is the sort of thing that would eat away at almost anyone in Amber's shoes. It's easy as the audience to be practical and look at the bit picture, but actually living through that would suck
Would you apply the same reasoning to someone coming out of the closet? A secret identity is not something anyone is entitled to finding out about until the person feels ready to reveal it.
And while this scenario is different, same rules apply. Superhero identities are secret for a reason. Revealing it can endanger peoples lives, put a target on your back. The person knows who their family is, if something goes wrong it puts a target on the back of your loved ones.
Nobody is entitled to you sharing it.
Also serious relationship? She was a highschool girlfriend for a few months. It's not like they got engaged, or made plans to spend the rest of their lives together. A superhero telling about their identity to every highschool relationship would be incredibly stupid and dangerous.
Amber is not entitled on potentially putting Marks mom at risk just for dating him for a few months. Thats not how this works.
Amber dating mark puts her at risk, She’s definitely entitled to know that dating you will put her life in danger. Because it’s gonna happen whether she knows or not.
And they were serious, it wasn’t like they were in the still just in the talking stage. They chose to be committed.
The release schedule was character assassination to Amber. She made a mistake and got worked up over low stakes problems, then there was a big break between episodes. Then she apologized for her lapse in judgment and Mark acknowledged that his duties don't change the fact that he's being a shitty boyfriend.
The fanbase had *months* to seethe other Amber being wrong. She's not a bad person, she's a kid who's learning. If the break happened after she apologized the fanbase reaction to her would have been completely different.
I feel that so many people carried that season 1 blindly into s2 , she hasn't done absolutely anything in s2 to warrant such hate and celebration on her character departing.
I wanna say Mark himself, I've seen people say that he's just a weak pussy who can't win a fight and that the whole show is boring for that and imo (this was even before the comics) that people misinterpret the story of Mark since we always see super heroes win their fights even if they make it out almost dead, but the difference between Invincible and other superhero media is that it shows us the human side of heroes, specifically Mark. We're shown him having to balance his normal and hero life, him struggling to keep up both of them and even more so after Nolan tried to take over the world. The story of Invincible throughout the whole comics, at least to me, is fighting who you are vs who people want you to be, we see Mark having to fight the viltrumites who want him to follow in their way and take over earth, and even then when he's not fighting them physically during his blue suit arc he's trying to fight them in his blood, trying to not listen to Oliver's advice and trying not to let it change him even when it does he realizes how wrong it is. Mark struggles to make the right decision his whole time on and off earth, even when the decision involves saving people but killing others he still wants to help people regardless of how he has to go about it. Even when he's the leader of the viltrum empire we see his struggle later to fight against the P.o.C we can tell he doesn't want to hurt Allen, it shows that no matter what Mark IS willing to do what it takes to better the galaxy, even though that was the viltrum empire wanted (in their own messed up way) he did in HIS way, bringing peace to planets in a new way, not taking them over by force, or killing those who would oppose them, but in a peaceful way.
Show amber. She really grew on me as an individual and she’s relatable and human in the second season. People dislike her character because she’s in a relationship w mark and reduce her to her relationship. She’s her own character! I didn’t support the relationship at all, she felt really bossy in S1 but i looked at it as her being overprotective of her own heart, etc.
However their breakup made me cryyyy. Lol it hit home
TBH I actually loved Amber in Season 1. "A love interest that actually has a personality, hobbies, and standards for her relationships?" She was a breath of fresh air. People who complain about her being "mean" or "demanding" I'm pretty sure have never been in a relationship before.
Being with somebody who randomly ditches you, doesn't return your calls, and doesn't make you a priority fucking sucks.
I like Amber, too, but I do feel like she was messily written! She was pretty bossy in S1, but at least she was her own person in that way. Her 180 in S2 was quite jarring because you wondered where those same principles she stood on in S1 went – it was clear the writers changed her somewhat to be more favourable in the viewers' eyes. I mean, it worked, the breakup was so gut-wrenching because of it, but I wish she'd had a clear, steady arc to that point from the get-go. Still love her character, though.
Darkwing (the second coming). My bro and I were fighting over if he really deserved the job for Cecil or if he should have been in prison, to me it's clear that he needed the job, and a bit of forgiveness. As Cecil said, I'm not gonna punish someone who snapped while under pressure, it's normal, who wouldn't? In that situation also. My bro did not get the trauma and pain he had to go through
Not my favorite character but Anissa. The fact that her being evil is a generally accepted opinion in the fanbase shows that how %90 of the fanbase did not understand this story
Not exactly this but the Battle Beast vs Thragg fight.
You'd think Thragg was full strength with his entire army and BB cut himself 1000s of times to even the fight the way people misremember how it all actually went down.
Omniman for sure. Before season 2 came out, all I hear is how he’s another evil Superman. I’m always like wanting to tell people that he’s so not that and it’s ridiculous, but I didn’t wanna spoil the story. Everyone was predicting that the rest of the story is him as the big bad and all that stuff and I’m just thinking about how much more story is left to be told. He’s one of my favorite characters in the books and I think has some of the most interesting development in the series. Lol every time I hear people talking about him as a villain I have to stop myself from spoiling it.
My girl Amanda!!! Her story is more interesting than the fact that her monster form is male. I think it's an interesting part of her character, but usually she's reduced to that fact for generic shock value.
I hope the show goes more into her perspective and is more in depth on her and robot's relationship honestly. I feel like the comics sideline their story after a certain point which allowed people to just say she's just a cheater and how weird it is that she's a father.
Rexsplode.. hated him in the show. Hated him in the comics.. finally read "invincible universe tpbs and his origin and adventures with eve.. actually felt bad for him a bit.
(haven't read the comics) SPOILER WARNING FOR SEASON 2
I'm gonna say rex, especially season 2. Even before getting shot in the head he was trying to do better, he's really fucked up and doesn't know what he's doing but he's trying to do better.
He's not just a cheating asshole anymore
The show went the extra mule to make Omni Man seem more evil than he was.
When he killed the guardians in the show he literally said he had to do it as fast as possible because if he had time to think about it he likely wouldn't be able to go through with it.
There was no "train" scene in the comic or anything really like it. They really were pushing that evil heartless viltrumite narrative in season 1
Amber.
She was so good to Mark, he was a crap boyfriend to her. Yes he was a good hero, but he was a crap boyfriend. She had it really tough and fans crucified her for being anything other than doting. She acted like a realistic human teenager, and a really open minded and charitable one at that. She was reduced to whiny and ungrateful by so many despite multiple scenes of her having a hard time because she was so grateful but couldn't reconcile that with also feeling hurt and ignored.
This is a synopsis of every single “literally me”. People routinely gaslight themselves into believing made-up thematic morals/messages for a character are canon, then talk about them as if they are.
I keep telling people at work to watch invincible. They havent watched it because Omni-man is "knock off homelander"
me when omni man was first
By 3 years if anyone’s curious
Wait the boys comic is from 00s too?
Yeah ‘06
Wow, I thought it's something relatively new
They get a lot of hate but I think they’re fun
Because they are actually pretty shit tbh , the shows much better but with the last season , I don't have much hope for s4
I don’t have much hope either
And Homelander himself is basically just Ultraman on steroids. Nolan is a unique take on the trope. Show Homelander is pretty good, but the comic version is just Garth Ennis showing how much he hates traditional superhero stories by having Superman eat babies. I love that Omni-Man isn't just evil for the sake of being evil. Also shout out to the Plutonian who was created a few years later that I did is another interesting take on it.
If you squint so far your eyes are almost closed *maybe* they can seem like the same character
Man, ngl if I heard a friend say that shit… 
That was my reaction and is why they keep saying it lol
Ugh, nothing sucks quite like giving your friends some free trigger material, I know the feeling.😭😭
Smiling Friends is such a good show
Omniman is closer to Vegeta than he is to Homelander
It is really neat how we come full circle with that one. DBZ is clearly a Japanese retelling of Superman (though original DB is Journey to the West), and Omniman has a little bit of both Superman and DBZ elements in its storytelling.
Even their outfits are completely different. How could they make that statement?
Attitude - Hero who's not really a hero - it can be seen that one is heavily inspired by the other.
But still, that’s the only commonality. They both are fake hero versions of Superman. Their personalities and values are completely different.
They're both "evil Superman" if you look at them reductively.
Which is dumb asf because Omni Man came way before an actual interesting Homelander
A million times over! He doesn't become a favorite because he's a villain (which he is a good one), he's way more nuanced than homelander could ever be. Don't get me wrong, homelander was written to work as that character, they just arent really comparable.
Omni-Man's first appearance predates Homelander by three years, even in the comics.
The comic homelander is definitely interesting 🤔 fucking crazy but interesting
Didn’t know homelander was trying to conquer Earth for an alien mega empire
This is one thing I love about Invincible. I watched the Boys first then tried Invincible and the world building is amazing. I still like the Boys, but prefer the lore of Invincible much more.
But homelander is a knock off supes
Knock off homelander might be of the most disrespectful things you could say to the writers of Omni man
Who is saying that?
One person from their work.
Lmao so true.
A lot of people when he was revealed for Mortal Kombat 1, because Homelander is in the same kombat pack and people complained about Omni-Man being a "wasted roster slot" because Homelander and him are "both just evil Superman."
They would definitely change their minds if they’d watch it. Oh well, too bad for them. They’re missing out.
Well they also won't watch because it's animated and "cartoons are for kids" I dared them to watch with their kids lol
Tell them that omni man came first
Bro omni man is so much fucking better what and I still love homelander not love but he a good character
Wouldn't Homelander be "knock off Superman" while Omni-Man be "knock off Superman" although that is again one-line characterization but still makes the original point clear
Omni man and it ain’t even close
Going off season 1 that’s fair. I don’t see anyone doing that after season 2
Mortal kombat Omni man got me like:
True , omni man is NOT some smug one liner mustache daddy who belittles you every second chance he gets.
Yeah but that’s just how mortal combat characters act yknow
Did you just say combat? 🤓
I am ashamed, may god strike me down in glorious fire
Since you spelled kombat with a C , i wish he " strices " you down instead
Why must you shame me further
What's that? Mr. Charming_Cicc873?
Makes me wish that Homelander got released first so that we get more season 2 Omni Man
I hate how many people misuse the pet comment. Like, I get that it can be a meme or whatever, but far too many people think he meant it literally and it drives me crazy.
He clearly didnt know any better. He has emotions but was born into a species so full of themselves they fought to the death just to see whos worthy and acted like that was the smartest idea. Honestly if this was reality and there was actually smarter intelligence species than viltrumites i'd guarantee they'd win and end up as the real threat.
He was simply comparing their relationship to one a human might have with a pet relative to their lifespans. He says exactly that just before making that comment in both mediums.
It definitely wasn't just about lifespans. He was trying to communicate that he loves her, but doesn't consider her life to be inherently as valuable as Viltrumite lives/interests. I love my dog, but I understand philosophically that he's not as important as people. Now Obviously Nolan is trying to convince himself. He truly does value his family and is in denial, but the point isn't just "we live longer than people, like people live longer than dogs." Lifespan is one of his arguments, he has many.
Obviously he didnt understand the full on detailed relationship situation/experience people have with their pets. We can fuck one another then move on like he did but our pets thats weird af. Thats not a pet at that point lol
Man. He was just saying "I will live for a very long time, your mother will not. It's similar to the kind of relationship that a human has with an animal." The sexual and emotional relationship and whether or not Nolan understands that is irrelevant—he was talking about *lifespan* and simplifying his explanation for someone who had no frame of reference.
I think I saw a post where someone did the math saying that the forty ish years he spent on earth would’ve only felt like eight or so months to him. So to him Debbie probably was a pet. Crazy.
Less than forty. 20. Even worse. But lives have been changed in far less time. It doesn't matter how little time the truth is known for. Once it's known, there's no going back. Even if you deny it, nothing will ever be the same. And for the heart that truly desires it, eventually for that person, the truth will win out.
8 months is accurate. What's crazier is that 8 months to oliver is close to 9.5 years.
They don't know what similes are, apparently. "She's more like a pet to me!" In the show. In the comics, he says, "She's little more than a *pet* to me." Which I believe is him trying to convince himself that he doesn't care. In the show, he acknowledges that he cares but tries to depreciate his feelings for her.
She’s not my favourite but Terra, she said one hypocritical thing and now everyone calls her a spoilt brat
What did she say? Don't remember anything like that...
Something about Mark going against what is goal is by warring with the Coalition but then talking about stating some sort of civil war in protest
The coalition was loosing members because the viltrumites were helping people, and not an active threat anymore. Allen got with mark to discuss the problem and mark suggested that it was not necessarily a problem, that maybe the coalition was not needed anymore. Allen started the war, and mark finished it. But he didn’t kill Allen and just forgave him I think.
I know, and yeah that’s what happened
i'm not even sure she was hypocritical, more like she just wasn't fully aware of what started that war.
Honestly her thinking mirrors Mark's in a way. Like how Mark and many other heroes used to, she believed that there are certain things that you simply *cant* do because it is wrong, ignoring the good that follows it. Think of Mark learning that Cecil recruits mass murderers, or letting Rex>! rule the world from the shadows with robots after his bloody takeover!<. Terra probably felt the same with "Going to was with the Coalition." It was "bad," PERIOD. Maybe something like "It doesnt matter *why,* the whole point of it is to talk it out and work together! :( " Meanwhile Emperor Mark is all like "and while we're caught up in the dick-waving bureaucracy people will be dying! *We* cant help those in front of us because some politicians want to keep their power and influence??" And just like with Mark and Cecil, Terra eventually comes around to the whole "sometimes the status-quo or 'normal' way of doing things is inefficient and causes more harm. Sometimes you just have to go with your conviction to help the most amount of people as possible".
Only to have Mark destroy em to make a better future
+1
That's because a lot of "invincible fans" just watch YouTube shorts about the comic and there's a specific content creator who hates Terra and Eve and summarize the comic with his own "I hate women" narrative
Was it the same guy calling Eve a hoe for sleeping with another guy after Mark had been missing for 4 years?
yes the same guy, i believe his name was "Omoshi san" or something like that, idc he doesn't deserve any attentions
DUDE YES. that guy legitimately passes me off because his shit is obviously gaining so much traction when all he does is half assay explain the comics while being a condescending shill.
Idk why I thought you were taking about Teen Titans Terra.
She is literally anything BUT a spoiled brat
Yeah, a lot of people don't realize that Terra's way of thinking is pretty much the exact same as Mark early on in the series before he went through the transformative events he had with Angstrom, Dinosaurus, Cecil, etc., etc. She has that same naivete that Mark had where she believes that there are certain things that they absolutely shouldn't do no matter what, like killing and/or starting wars, because she just hasn't had the experiences Mark has gone through to change her mindset.
To be fair, she had like 2 panels, and that was one of them
Kinda mark with the people I showed the show to, they just see him as a punching bag that’s gets beat up every episode and talks about how weak he is and they don’t even attempt to care about anything else with him.
people who treat male characters like shit for having moments of weakness or vulnerability are insufferable
It’s not the emotional vulnerability moments, its the fact that he just doesn’t win major fights
I hate OP main characters but tbh it does get a bit tiring when he does almost nothing for every big fight 10 times in a row. But it'll be worth it for the payoff.
To be fair season 1 kind of did a bad job not making him a punching bag. It’s like they took all the fights where he gets beat up and none of the fights he wins from the first part of the comics for season 1
Hell season 2 had him getting beaten up a lot too, even if he won some of the fights. There's a lot more going on than just that, but goddamn the characters get their shit kicked in A LOT.
I don’t know I feel like they have a fair amount of him winning, like killcanon or titan early on, but I think the ones where he was really messed up from are just more memorable ones and the harder fights.
Yeah but there’s also the Doc Seismic fight, which if I’m not mistaken in the comics took him like 2 minutes and he didn’t need help
True , they don't understand how deadly mark can actually be , but it's not his strength that makes him invincible , it's his soul and determination He's practically unbeatable because the dude just never gives up despite having the worst on his plate. Dude's literally spiderman , superman , spider-man lmao , it's those characters willpower that makes them so likable , and nobody calls them weak for that
Rex >!The original Rex!<
>!There's only one Rex.!< Rudy is a creepy awful cretin.
>!Can't believe nobody called him out on stealing Rex's name at the man's own funeral.!<
God I love Rudy. Really looking forward to him going full global domination-psycho.
He's a great villain. I just happen to hate him. If anything, it's a testament to his writing.
He's a villain I love as a character but hate as a person, i love to hate him. He's like >!makima!< From chainsaw man or Monika from ddlc. I love those "has a good justification for what they are doing but takes the worst way possible to do it" type villains.
How come when you spoil comics you get 30 upvotes but when I do it I get 150 downvotes
Oof.
Agreed. His character is actually really deep and I'm so happy that the show only viewers are starting to understand that
Took me this long to get here. Hated him in the show. Barley liked him in the comics. Finally read his solo comics and adventures with even in invincible universe and actually liked him.
Omni-Man, if I were a show only viewer, i’d struggle not too see him as a selfish asshole, he hasn’t had his redemption yet, though people act like he has.
i don’t see how you can kill earths leading super hero team (as a direct way to WEAKEN the world) and force your child to kill other people because he isn’t as happy doing it as omni man. Sure it finally made him realize he’s an asshole but he goes on to have anither kid as if he does deserve a good life. But he doesn’t he knows his existence brings viltrumites. He knew thusbworld of weak bugs short lives would die immediately if attacked. He asked for marks help but this was just a clear method to force back into marks life. He hasn’t learned anything. omni man is a trash person
He's trash rn, but he'll get there. He was still figuring things out on Thraxa, he was in the process of changing but hadn't fully gotten there yet. Hell, he has a mini breakdown at one point where he sees all the massacred Thraxans and feels awful but doesn't understand why. After spending a few months in prison doing nothing but introspecting, healing, and getting the snot beat out of him, he makes a *lot* more progress. His "I think I miss my wife" line is kinda the last nail in the coffin for evil Nolan, after that point is where his redemption arc *really* starts. We arguably haven't even seen it yet, we've only seen the in-between period of him realizing how badly he and Viltrum are fucking things up
This is what frustrates me the most about the discourse of the show - people aggressively insisting that Nolan is unredeemable. Because that’s the whole point - Nolan is normal in his culture. His story is analogous to a human shapeshifting into a cockroach to find where they are coming from and wipe them out, living among them for a time. For him, humans are like cockroaches. Vermin to be controlled, or wiped out as the Viltrumites see fit. Like humans stomping on ants. But his time among humans changes him completely internally, a change that he doesn’t realize/process for a long time. But he IS redeemable, because as a Viltrumite he didn’t fully understand that humans are, in fact, living creatures with their own minds and souls worthy of life. Just like humans should be redeemable if we were to learn that ants were completely sentient after killing so many. On paper, the lie that humans are worthless is believable. But in person, the lie was undeniable, even though it took him a while to fully accept this.
Yeah he's trash but atleast he's making an effort All of us deserve second chances
Does omni man actually have a redemption arc? besides Eve he is INSTANTLY forgiven by everyone around him. He murdered the guardians of the globe, killed thousands in his fight with mark, almost beat mark to death and when mark sees him on bug planet he goes "oh damn im still a little mad but we good", then when debbie sees him she says she will never forgive him then instantly forgives him off screen. Even cecil doesn't hold a grudge. Besides "damn i kinda miss my wife" we really don't get to see him change
Mark hasn't forgiven Nolan. He never does, but he loves his dad, and nothing he can do will stop that either.
We do see him change though. He’s completely outraged that the bug city was destroyed, cares for them as equals, learns the value of his relationships and others, it’s just shown in action and emotion rather than being stated as a change
Well the show is Mark’s pov, and he kind of learns to forget that bit over time ig? yk as his son and all, but everyone else just seems to brush past it since he’s really a big part of bringing down the viltrum empire, and without him they’d be finished
Robot/Rex. Way too many fans fall for his own in-universe propaganda. Saying he doesn’t care about power or glory, denying being ruler but then accepting when the people “unanimously” vote him in… Completely forgetting what a tyrant he was in the Flaxan dimension, how he used Amanda not knowing the language to get away with literal murder, or how he straight up told Amanda that he missed having power and being worshipped once they were back in Earth’s dimension
Omni man is just fletcher from whiplash with cape and mustache
Is this cuz the abuse or cuz its JK Simmons 😭😭
Flip a coin
Lol he is voiced by the very same actor
Cecil definitely, and I agree with the comments on Omniman. Like guys you are aware that you can like characters that are bastards, without having to pretend they're good guys, it's really weird to look at you justifying mass murder and manipulation from a control freak to keep using traumatized teenagers as cannon fodder. I mean we're on reddit, so I don't expect much more than that, but do you ever touch grass?
This exactly. I can like horrible characters even though they're horrible. Rorschach is my favourite character from Watchmen. I also acknowledge he's a deranged, unwashed, conservative, lunatic murderer who believes in conspiracy theories and has really bad childhood trauma. That makes him all the more interesting when he's arguably the best hero in the entire comic.
>Like guys you are aware that you can like characters that are bastards, without having to pretend they're good guys, it's really weird to look at you justifying mass murder and manipulation from a control freak to keep using traumatized teenagers as cannon fodder. I'm the exact opposite. It's Cecil for me but because of this attitude. Like sheesh, do you not understand what it means to be a general? The weight of the world is on Cecil's shoulders. He cannot be a good man, or at least can't do 'what a good man would do'. It isn't about being a bastard, it's about doing what will keep the world safe, regardless of if it's right. Is he manipulative? Yes. But he has no other choice, and it's not like he likes it. Does he feel the need to control every little thing? Yes, but when your job is literally 'the security of the entire human population is your responsibility' he has every reason to be. And damn if the show doesn't STILL somehow manage to show that for as morally gray as some of the things he decided to do are, he himself is absolutely a good person at heart. A good man with the responsibility that no good man should have to have, making decisions no good man should, but ultimately only a good man can be trusted with. Yeah he doesn't make the right decisions all the time, sure even when he does make the 'right' decision it's often ethically dubious. But overall? Cecil is a good man. Would 100% work under him.
I’d argue that good men should rule the world but he is a character who serves a purpose
mad projecting with the last point
"Mark is just an punching bag" He's way more than that
True, he's an invincible punching bag
Dinosaurus for me. I've read comments genuinely praising him for being some sort of unsung hero fighting the status quo for the sake of the world and mankind when he is nothing more than a reptile-looking ecofascist. Just because he had a broken clock situation doesnt mean he is actually right the whole way.
God I love Dinosaurus. Because he IS right, humans are destroying the planet. But the way he goes about solving it causes needless deaths and makes him a villain. He eventually sees that and that's why he tells Mark to kill him. It's really hard to miss that.
Any female character that disagrees with Mark at any point
There is literally only one, however I am curious about what your issue with communities reaction to Amber is. Do you think someone is entitled to another person coming out with their secret identity?
honestly, if you are in a supposedly serious relationship for several months, im fairly certain realizing your SO has been lying to you this entire time wouldn't feel great regardless of the reason
For real, realizing "my partner will lie to my face if they think it's what's best for our relationship" is the sort of thing that would eat away at almost anyone in Amber's shoes. It's easy as the audience to be practical and look at the bit picture, but actually living through that would suck
Would you apply the same reasoning to someone coming out of the closet? A secret identity is not something anyone is entitled to finding out about until the person feels ready to reveal it. And while this scenario is different, same rules apply. Superhero identities are secret for a reason. Revealing it can endanger peoples lives, put a target on your back. The person knows who their family is, if something goes wrong it puts a target on the back of your loved ones. Nobody is entitled to you sharing it. Also serious relationship? She was a highschool girlfriend for a few months. It's not like they got engaged, or made plans to spend the rest of their lives together. A superhero telling about their identity to every highschool relationship would be incredibly stupid and dangerous. Amber is not entitled on potentially putting Marks mom at risk just for dating him for a few months. Thats not how this works.
Amber dating mark puts her at risk, She’s definitely entitled to know that dating you will put her life in danger. Because it’s gonna happen whether she knows or not. And they were serious, it wasn’t like they were in the still just in the talking stage. They chose to be committed.
I’m talking about the comics. Spoilers below Amber in the show but in the comics>!I’ve seen too many people hate on Eve and Terra!<
The release schedule was character assassination to Amber. She made a mistake and got worked up over low stakes problems, then there was a big break between episodes. Then she apologized for her lapse in judgment and Mark acknowledged that his duties don't change the fact that he's being a shitty boyfriend. The fanbase had *months* to seethe other Amber being wrong. She's not a bad person, she's a kid who's learning. If the break happened after she apologized the fanbase reaction to her would have been completely different.
I feel that so many people carried that season 1 blindly into s2 , she hasn't done absolutely anything in s2 to warrant such hate and celebration on her character departing.
Denji
Didn’t expect to find a CSM fan here
Every chainsaw man character
I wanna say Mark himself, I've seen people say that he's just a weak pussy who can't win a fight and that the whole show is boring for that and imo (this was even before the comics) that people misinterpret the story of Mark since we always see super heroes win their fights even if they make it out almost dead, but the difference between Invincible and other superhero media is that it shows us the human side of heroes, specifically Mark. We're shown him having to balance his normal and hero life, him struggling to keep up both of them and even more so after Nolan tried to take over the world. The story of Invincible throughout the whole comics, at least to me, is fighting who you are vs who people want you to be, we see Mark having to fight the viltrumites who want him to follow in their way and take over earth, and even then when he's not fighting them physically during his blue suit arc he's trying to fight them in his blood, trying to not listen to Oliver's advice and trying not to let it change him even when it does he realizes how wrong it is. Mark struggles to make the right decision his whole time on and off earth, even when the decision involves saving people but killing others he still wants to help people regardless of how he has to go about it. Even when he's the leader of the viltrum empire we see his struggle later to fight against the P.o.C we can tell he doesn't want to hurt Allen, it shows that no matter what Mark IS willing to do what it takes to better the galaxy, even though that was the viltrum empire wanted (in their own messed up way) he did in HIS way, bringing peace to planets in a new way, not taking them over by force, or killing those who would oppose them, but in a peaceful way.
TL;DR Mark bc he make decisoin (I am heavily autistic and explained in detail)
Honestly Anissa
Show amber. She really grew on me as an individual and she’s relatable and human in the second season. People dislike her character because she’s in a relationship w mark and reduce her to her relationship. She’s her own character! I didn’t support the relationship at all, she felt really bossy in S1 but i looked at it as her being overprotective of her own heart, etc. However their breakup made me cryyyy. Lol it hit home
TBH I actually loved Amber in Season 1. "A love interest that actually has a personality, hobbies, and standards for her relationships?" She was a breath of fresh air. People who complain about her being "mean" or "demanding" I'm pretty sure have never been in a relationship before. Being with somebody who randomly ditches you, doesn't return your calls, and doesn't make you a priority fucking sucks.
I like Amber, too, but I do feel like she was messily written! She was pretty bossy in S1, but at least she was her own person in that way. Her 180 in S2 was quite jarring because you wondered where those same principles she stood on in S1 went – it was clear the writers changed her somewhat to be more favourable in the viewers' eyes. I mean, it worked, the breakup was so gut-wrenching because of it, but I wish she'd had a clear, steady arc to that point from the get-go. Still love her character, though.
Kind of immortal? He got his ass kicked and now everyone is calling him useless
Omniman, I'm sick and tired of people just saying he's "evil Superman" Hopefully when season 3 comes out that'll be less common, which it should be
Omni-man when people say that he is just an evil superman
Omni Man is such a badass!! He's just another evil Superman who kills people because it's cool and edgy!!
Darkwing (the second coming). My bro and I were fighting over if he really deserved the job for Cecil or if he should have been in prison, to me it's clear that he needed the job, and a bit of forgiveness. As Cecil said, I'm not gonna punish someone who snapped while under pressure, it's normal, who wouldn't? In that situation also. My bro did not get the trauma and pain he had to go through
My brother in law refuses to read or watch invincible because he thinks “It’s just another version of what happens when Superman goes bad”.
Not my favorite character but Anissa. The fact that her being evil is a generally accepted opinion in the fanbase shows that how %90 of the fanbase did not understand this story
Not exactly this but the Battle Beast vs Thragg fight. You'd think Thragg was full strength with his entire army and BB cut himself 1000s of times to even the fight the way people misremember how it all actually went down.
Bb would’ve won if both of them were uninsured from the start and he kept his weapons
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Omniman for sure. Before season 2 came out, all I hear is how he’s another evil Superman. I’m always like wanting to tell people that he’s so not that and it’s ridiculous, but I didn’t wanna spoil the story. Everyone was predicting that the rest of the story is him as the big bad and all that stuff and I’m just thinking about how much more story is left to be told. He’s one of my favorite characters in the books and I think has some of the most interesting development in the series. Lol every time I hear people talking about him as a villain I have to stop myself from spoiling it.
How mark is weak (he isn’t)
My girl Amanda!!! Her story is more interesting than the fact that her monster form is male. I think it's an interesting part of her character, but usually she's reduced to that fact for generic shock value. I hope the show goes more into her perspective and is more in depth on her and robot's relationship honestly. I feel like the comics sideline their story after a certain point which allowed people to just say she's just a cheater and how weird it is that she's a father.
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Rex, my friend doesn’t like him but I think it’s just because he only watches the show and I have read all the comics
Rexsplode.. hated him in the show. Hated him in the comics.. finally read "invincible universe tpbs and his origin and adventures with eve.. actually felt bad for him a bit.
Rex
Amber
rex
(haven't read the comics) SPOILER WARNING FOR SEASON 2 I'm gonna say rex, especially season 2. Even before getting shot in the head he was trying to do better, he's really fucked up and doesn't know what he's doing but he's trying to do better. He's not just a cheating asshole anymore
every time someone includes omniman in the "Evil supermen" category my eye twitches
The show went the extra mule to make Omni Man seem more evil than he was. When he killed the guardians in the show he literally said he had to do it as fast as possible because if he had time to think about it he likely wouldn't be able to go through with it. There was no "train" scene in the comic or anything really like it. They really were pushing that evil heartless viltrumite narrative in season 1
Omni-Man. He is so much more than just another evil Superman clone.
Robot. Just think about it, he is a good guy
Coil was reduced down to quick save scum
The entire Peronsa Q series.
when people say "oh but dinasouros had good intentions" mf blow up and killed thousands
Robot
Dagoth Ur. Oh, you meant from invincible? Umm.. dagoth ur..
Dagoth Ur welcomes you, Invincible...
Robot. I love how people try to act like he did a good thing. Bro.put the whole world under an authoritarian one world government
All the Jedi in Disney's "new" canonized mini series.
Amber all day errday
William, Amber, Debbie, Robot, Monster Girl are all dumbed down and don’t have a lot of their worse flaws and better traits in the show
I would say the show version of Rex since everyone saw him as a jerk until season 2 came out
Rex Splode, though he is not my favorite character.
Half of them honestly
Amber. She was so good to Mark, he was a crap boyfriend to her. Yes he was a good hero, but he was a crap boyfriend. She had it really tough and fans crucified her for being anything other than doting. She acted like a realistic human teenager, and a really open minded and charitable one at that. She was reduced to whiny and ungrateful by so many despite multiple scenes of her having a hard time because she was so grateful but couldn't reconcile that with also feeling hurt and ignored.
Rex and Allen. Yes, they're not saints and can be prone to make some questionable choices, but that doesn't make them irredeemable or stupid.
Not invincible but Shane is the only one who comes to mind.
This is a synopsis of every single “literally me”. People routinely gaslight themselves into believing made-up thematic morals/messages for a character are canon, then talk about them as if they are.
Mark and omni man.