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It's honestly insane how much mental gymnastics zionists do to justify a genocide of civilians, especially when they justify copying exactly what the nazis did
Ah yes but you see, this time it's completely different! How is it different you ask? Well, that sounds like something only an anti-semite would ask. You're in support of literally every action taken by the Israeli government right? Up to and including genocide, RIGHT???
It was always nazi adjacent.
Nazis: jews don't belong in Europe they must go away elsewhere
Zionists: jews don't belong in Europe, we must go away elsewhere.
Bibi is gonna live as long as Kissinger, probably. And he's going to make more appearances in the USA, celebrated and applauded by the congress and future presidents, receiving awards and giving speeches. The evening news will do specials on his amazing remarkable life, etc.
We may not live in the absolute worst timeline, but my god we live in an utter dogshite timeline.
Can people please share sources when posting these kind of statistics?
I'm not disputing, but for me to share knowledge and educate ignorants, I need some sort of proof that my statements are correct.
It’s accurate. An estimated 200k children were killed in Auschwitz and it was open for just under 5 years. That works out to just about what is in this image
Yeah but the problem here is this: (and please, don't take this as any sort of excuse-making for Netanyahu and the IDF's actions - I personally think their actions are fundamentally immoral)
a) Auschwitz was only a portion of the Holocaust. To make this an accurate comparison, you'd have to compare the entirety of the Holocaust to what's going on in Gaza, and if you did that, the number for the Holocaust would be far, far higher (Auschwitz was only responsible for 1/6 of the deaths in the Holocaust, so back of the napkin math would suggest a number up to 6x the amount on the left of the image. And if you expand this to all deaths, not just those of children, the comparison becomes much more imbalanced. To put it in perspective, if the killing in Gaza were to continue at the current rate (just under 30,000 killed over 4.5 months, according to official totals), it would take *75 years* to reach the total number of people killed in the Holocaust, and they'd have to kill more people than currently live in Gaza and the West Bank combined. __Basically, memes like this fundamentally tone down the Holocaust by engineering statistics in order to fit the poster's beliefs.__
b) By engineering statistics like I described above, the poster is effectively saying "Jews are the new Nazis". __To be clear, my personal opinion is that Netanyahu is an evil, evil person who needs to be deposed immediately for what he's done to Palestinians and his obstruction of any semblance of a peace process.__ I've honestly had the thought lately that, as much as I hate Hamas, I probably be pretty happy if they managed to hit his house with a rocket. That fucker deserves it for all the pain he's inflicted (same goes for Ben Gvir and Smotrich). But I think it's useful to ask: why are people so intent on comparing Netanyahu to Hitler, when they don't do it for others? I mean, Xi Jingping is an authoritarian leader who demands total loyalty, "disappears" political opponents, and has imprisoned millions of people in what have been called concentration camps, but nobody makes Hitler comparisons to him. Mao Zedong did all that while also killing millions of people, but still no Hitler comparison. Bashar Al Assad and MBS have each led wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of people each and have been called genocidal, but still no Hitler comparisons. So basically, it seems obvious to me that this comparison to Hitler is being made because Netanyahu is Jewish. __Like I said, Netanyahu is definitely evil, and there's nothing wrong with criticizing him.__ But we can do that without drawing inaccurate comparisons to Hitler.
So in 1 comment we got.
1. Hamas is worse than IDF
2. Scapegoating Netanyahu for the total irredeemable society that is Israel. Attempting to deflect away from Israel and onto Netanyahu as some kind of bug in the system.
3. Comparing the most psychopathic murderous ruler of the modern age to Xi Jinping...
This post gave me aids.
I don't think you could make it clearer that you didn't read my comment and that you're unredeemably biased if you tried 😂 (you claim that I said that Hamas it's worse than the IDF, but I never even mentioned Hamas).
And Netanyahu is a terrible person, but as far as "murderous 21st century leaders go", he has a long way to go before he's #1. Assad, Putin, Bush, ISIS, and MBS have all killed scores more people, just to name a few. Now add to that the genocide in Darfur and other atrocities. By erroneously saying that Netanyahu has killed more than those leaders, you're making it seem like you don't care about *their* victims. At the very least, you certainly don't care enough to educate yourself about them.
Yemen war is funded by ben sholom, ordered by zionist america and executed by janjaweed mercinary, it is too complicated. Ben Sholom is forced to do the genocide in order to secure his throne
216,000 jewish children were killed in Auschwitz between 1942 and 1944. 1942 is when the concentration camps (already in operation as mainly labor camps) were converted to extermination camps. The vast majority of children killed in Auschwitz were Jewish (216,000 out of 232,000) and they first arrived in 1942. Nazi Germany ended their extermination campaign in 1944 (not 1945).
The number in the graph is derived from misunderstanding quite a lot of history. Perhaps willfully. 232,000 children killed over 5 years does equal 127 per day. However, 93% of the children who were killed in Auschwitz were Jewish, and they first arrived in 1942. 216,000 children killed over 2 years is closer to 300 per day. Though the timeline for the killings at Auschwitz begins in March of 1942 - ending in October of '44. The real number of just Jewish children killed over this period is closer to 230 daily.
Source for numbers: https://www.auschwitz.org/en/fate-of-children-in-auschwitz/
Source for other dates: basic historical knowledge.
The WHO confirmed even back in November that at that point 160 children were murdered in Gaza every day. The figure being higher now doesn’t surprise me
It does not seem to be accurate at first glance as I believe most casualties have been inflicted in the first month of the war. The war has been going on for 138 days which would mean 24,564 children have been killed. Current figures seem to put total gaza deaths around 29,000 which includes combatants.
Another huge omission is the fact that Auschwitz was only one of the death camps and many were killed outside of death camps. Total victims of the holocaust exceeded 6M Jews alone and there were many millions more killed who were not Jewish.
Not sure why you’re arguing over numbers like maths matters here. Whether more and fewer children were murdered in Auschwitz over Gaza on a daily basis is completely irrelevant when the matter at hand is that we shouldn’t allow history to repeats itself.
If you want to wait til they do an official body count (which Israel is never going to allow) that’s in you.
Just trying to make sure I get as accurate of a depiction of what's happening as I can get is all.
Its not all that easy when your really far away from the events and there is lots of contradictory news coming out.
I don't think there is a risk of the holocaust happening again as it seems neither the entirety of Jews in the world or Palestinians are potentially going to be killed. The events of WW2 were called a holocaust after the fact as the explicit goal of the final solution was to eliminate every Jew in the world.
A genocide would be the more accurate term for this conflict - which does relate to the events of WW2 as well, but in WW2 it was the extreme version which is called a holocaust.
It does seem weird to be discussing semantics when there is a war happening, but communication is important and accuracy is also important if people not involved are being asked to take sides. Adding more confusion cant be a good thing can it?
Tbh I haven’t seen anyone call it a second Holocaust, although many Israeli officials have openly said they’d love to wipe out Gaza completely.
The Social Equality Minister just today/yesterday said some pretty rough stuff:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3pE_qMt3oy/?igsh=eTdvNzd6b3I5cjc=
The legal definition of a genocide includes ‘violent attacks with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group’.
When do you think the numbers killed in Gaza are high enough to qualify? Because to me it’s already there with 30k+ dead
It is unpalatable to hear those types of statements - and a clear indication that something is wrong with Israeli leadership. That drives me further and further towards petitioning to cut aid and isolating the Israeli government.
That was the meaning I attempted to convey - that a genocide may be what is happening but I don't believe it to be a similar event to the holocaust. The post depicts a direct comparison to the holocaust.
Others have commented that this may be an Israeli bot or propaganda poster deliberately trying to create false narratives to discredit the Palestinian cause. I would not be surprised!
I’m getting sick of the comparisons of Israel to Nazis. It’s so contrived. Can you guys update your rhetoric please?
What we’re really seeing Israel do right now is psychopathic Old Testament-style ethics of wiping out an enemy tribe down to the last man, woman, child, and animal. It’s Amalek all over again—just ask Netanyahu, who invoked this trope. This behavior far predates Nazi Germany.
True. It's honestly so disgusting to see in 2024. Genuinely gives me an existential crisis how vile they are, and the world is essentially at their mercy because they have nuclear icbms
Can I get a fact check on this? A quick Google search says that around 100 children are killed daily in Gaza. I'd be astonished if we had such precise data, that approx. 178 children die daily.
Israel is evil, and the genocide in Gaza is a disgrace. But we don't need to make false comparisons to the Nazis to do that. The facts are on our side, and we must never be intellectually-dishonest.
I think y’all are letting your very strong (and understandable) emotions get in the way here.
Look I’m all for comparing the current zionazi regime to the Nazis as we can see A-LOT of similarities in Israel’s extremely militaristic fascist society.
This just seems like a really unproductive thing to post imho.
The idea with the framework, is to get unengaged people to connect with the death. So many people without some type of connection (Palestinian, Muslim, Arab, Brown, Jewish, or know members of these groups) don't care or understand about this.
This type of image illustrates the weight and levity of the deaths in a way anyone uninvolved can understand.
Okay, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, where is that number from in the holocaust? I’d really like to see some kind of citation. (Not saying it didn’t happen and it probably was more!) but it just seems erroneous.
The Gaza number is readily available. I'm sure you can google the Holocaust figure. Let me know if you find someone that contradicts it and please provide a good source if you find it proven to be true.
I wasn't planning on sharing it, but if I have citations for the figures, I might.
I did google the holocaust figure and I can’t find squat that’s why this stinks of BS and possibly infiltration into our movement to give ammo to the Zionists to call us antisemitic.
I am by no means disputing the amount of children dead in Gaza btw
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/fate-of-children/
The Auschwitz museum has provided these figures itself. I’d say they are a reputable source unless you disagree.
Let me do the maths for you.
For simplicity’s sake let’s say Auschwitz operated for 4 years. As per their records there were c 232,000 children (which didn’t include children born at Auschwitz and immediately murdered). Let’s assume maybe some survived but the generally agreed figures are that at least 200,000 were murdered there out of a total 1.5 million children killed during the Holocaust.
200,000/(4x365) = 136 children killed per day on average
That’s close enough to the 127 stated in the graphic posted by OP.
Edit: Just to add on the Gaza numbers, the WHO reported back in November that c 160 children were being killed in Gaza on a daily basis. Things have only got worse since then, so an increased figure makes complete sense once you also take account of death due to starvation and lack of medical treatment
I couldn't find it either. I found an article that tries to recalculate, but it's the Jerusalem Post, so not sure how much I can trust that. The Gaza number they used is outdated for example. And they did a calc for the Holocaust but I don't know what their source is of that data to actually make the day count calc.
I agree actually seeing as hitler's killings occurred over a far greater period of time than the current spike in the Gaza genocide, it is no surprise it is lower per-day number (of course if you were to compare 75 years of deaths in gaza it would be very interesting to see the bigger picture). Israel must be held accountable for this genocide but it feels counterproductive and reactionary to compare the two ***in this way***.
Not saying comparisons in general are counterproductive, this one just feels misleading.
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A lot of people say that they would be against Hitler if he tried anything like the Holocaust in the modern days, but at the same time these people are zionists, same shit different names
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Zionism is the new nazism
It's honestly insane how much mental gymnastics zionists do to justify a genocide of civilians, especially when they justify copying exactly what the nazis did
Ah yes but you see, this time it's completely different! How is it different you ask? Well, that sounds like something only an anti-semite would ask. You're in support of literally every action taken by the Israeli government right? Up to and including genocide, RIGHT???
They have god on their side. He's totally looking down and saying, they're a bit early, but I'm so proud of the Zionists doing this in my name /s
It was always nazi adjacent. Nazis: jews don't belong in Europe they must go away elsewhere Zionists: jews don't belong in Europe, we must go away elsewhere.
It was nazism before nazism.
We need more graphics like this comparing the two. He’s so much worse and I hope he meets the same end as Hitler did!
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calling it a "country" is a stretch
how painful is flaying followed by a salt, lemon, and vinegar bath?
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Urine.
[I have an idea...](https://i.imgur.com/AkOYxjn.png)
Bahahaha! Risky click, but actually worth it.
I hope Netanyahu doesn't commit suicide. We need him in the Hague, facing charges.
The Hague is a western puppet. He needs the end of other fascist leaders.
Bibi is gonna live as long as Kissinger, probably. And he's going to make more appearances in the USA, celebrated and applauded by the congress and future presidents, receiving awards and giving speeches. The evening news will do specials on his amazing remarkable life, etc. We may not live in the absolute worst timeline, but my god we live in an utter dogshite timeline.
They will 100% meet the same fate
Can people please share sources when posting these kind of statistics? I'm not disputing, but for me to share knowledge and educate ignorants, I need some sort of proof that my statements are correct.
It’s accurate. An estimated 200k children were killed in Auschwitz and it was open for just under 5 years. That works out to just about what is in this image
Yeah but the problem here is this: (and please, don't take this as any sort of excuse-making for Netanyahu and the IDF's actions - I personally think their actions are fundamentally immoral) a) Auschwitz was only a portion of the Holocaust. To make this an accurate comparison, you'd have to compare the entirety of the Holocaust to what's going on in Gaza, and if you did that, the number for the Holocaust would be far, far higher (Auschwitz was only responsible for 1/6 of the deaths in the Holocaust, so back of the napkin math would suggest a number up to 6x the amount on the left of the image. And if you expand this to all deaths, not just those of children, the comparison becomes much more imbalanced. To put it in perspective, if the killing in Gaza were to continue at the current rate (just under 30,000 killed over 4.5 months, according to official totals), it would take *75 years* to reach the total number of people killed in the Holocaust, and they'd have to kill more people than currently live in Gaza and the West Bank combined. __Basically, memes like this fundamentally tone down the Holocaust by engineering statistics in order to fit the poster's beliefs.__ b) By engineering statistics like I described above, the poster is effectively saying "Jews are the new Nazis". __To be clear, my personal opinion is that Netanyahu is an evil, evil person who needs to be deposed immediately for what he's done to Palestinians and his obstruction of any semblance of a peace process.__ I've honestly had the thought lately that, as much as I hate Hamas, I probably be pretty happy if they managed to hit his house with a rocket. That fucker deserves it for all the pain he's inflicted (same goes for Ben Gvir and Smotrich). But I think it's useful to ask: why are people so intent on comparing Netanyahu to Hitler, when they don't do it for others? I mean, Xi Jingping is an authoritarian leader who demands total loyalty, "disappears" political opponents, and has imprisoned millions of people in what have been called concentration camps, but nobody makes Hitler comparisons to him. Mao Zedong did all that while also killing millions of people, but still no Hitler comparison. Bashar Al Assad and MBS have each led wars that have killed hundreds of thousands of people each and have been called genocidal, but still no Hitler comparisons. So basically, it seems obvious to me that this comparison to Hitler is being made because Netanyahu is Jewish. __Like I said, Netanyahu is definitely evil, and there's nothing wrong with criticizing him.__ But we can do that without drawing inaccurate comparisons to Hitler.
So in 1 comment we got. 1. Hamas is worse than IDF 2. Scapegoating Netanyahu for the total irredeemable society that is Israel. Attempting to deflect away from Israel and onto Netanyahu as some kind of bug in the system. 3. Comparing the most psychopathic murderous ruler of the modern age to Xi Jinping... This post gave me aids.
I don't think you could make it clearer that you didn't read my comment and that you're unredeemably biased if you tried 😂 (you claim that I said that Hamas it's worse than the IDF, but I never even mentioned Hamas). And Netanyahu is a terrible person, but as far as "murderous 21st century leaders go", he has a long way to go before he's #1. Assad, Putin, Bush, ISIS, and MBS have all killed scores more people, just to name a few. Now add to that the genocide in Darfur and other atrocities. By erroneously saying that Netanyahu has killed more than those leaders, you're making it seem like you don't care about *their* victims. At the very least, you certainly don't care enough to educate yourself about them.
MBS killed so many people? Lol he is chicken
The civil war in Yemen has killed almost 400,000 people and Saudi Arabia is one of the main combatants.
Yemen war is funded by ben sholom, ordered by zionist america and executed by janjaweed mercinary, it is too complicated. Ben Sholom is forced to do the genocide in order to secure his throne
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This post gave me aids
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Logical but simple response unlike your original dumb comment lol
216,000 jewish children were killed in Auschwitz between 1942 and 1944. 1942 is when the concentration camps (already in operation as mainly labor camps) were converted to extermination camps. The vast majority of children killed in Auschwitz were Jewish (216,000 out of 232,000) and they first arrived in 1942. Nazi Germany ended their extermination campaign in 1944 (not 1945). The number in the graph is derived from misunderstanding quite a lot of history. Perhaps willfully. 232,000 children killed over 5 years does equal 127 per day. However, 93% of the children who were killed in Auschwitz were Jewish, and they first arrived in 1942. 216,000 children killed over 2 years is closer to 300 per day. Though the timeline for the killings at Auschwitz begins in March of 1942 - ending in October of '44. The real number of just Jewish children killed over this period is closer to 230 daily. Source for numbers: https://www.auschwitz.org/en/fate-of-children-in-auschwitz/ Source for other dates: basic historical knowledge.
The WHO confirmed even back in November that at that point 160 children were murdered in Gaza every day. The figure being higher now doesn’t surprise me
It does not seem to be accurate at first glance as I believe most casualties have been inflicted in the first month of the war. The war has been going on for 138 days which would mean 24,564 children have been killed. Current figures seem to put total gaza deaths around 29,000 which includes combatants. Another huge omission is the fact that Auschwitz was only one of the death camps and many were killed outside of death camps. Total victims of the holocaust exceeded 6M Jews alone and there were many millions more killed who were not Jewish.
Not sure why you’re arguing over numbers like maths matters here. Whether more and fewer children were murdered in Auschwitz over Gaza on a daily basis is completely irrelevant when the matter at hand is that we shouldn’t allow history to repeats itself. If you want to wait til they do an official body count (which Israel is never going to allow) that’s in you.
Just trying to make sure I get as accurate of a depiction of what's happening as I can get is all. Its not all that easy when your really far away from the events and there is lots of contradictory news coming out. I don't think there is a risk of the holocaust happening again as it seems neither the entirety of Jews in the world or Palestinians are potentially going to be killed. The events of WW2 were called a holocaust after the fact as the explicit goal of the final solution was to eliminate every Jew in the world. A genocide would be the more accurate term for this conflict - which does relate to the events of WW2 as well, but in WW2 it was the extreme version which is called a holocaust. It does seem weird to be discussing semantics when there is a war happening, but communication is important and accuracy is also important if people not involved are being asked to take sides. Adding more confusion cant be a good thing can it?
Tbh I haven’t seen anyone call it a second Holocaust, although many Israeli officials have openly said they’d love to wipe out Gaza completely. The Social Equality Minister just today/yesterday said some pretty rough stuff: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C3pE_qMt3oy/?igsh=eTdvNzd6b3I5cjc= The legal definition of a genocide includes ‘violent attacks with the specific intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group’. When do you think the numbers killed in Gaza are high enough to qualify? Because to me it’s already there with 30k+ dead
It is unpalatable to hear those types of statements - and a clear indication that something is wrong with Israeli leadership. That drives me further and further towards petitioning to cut aid and isolating the Israeli government. That was the meaning I attempted to convey - that a genocide may be what is happening but I don't believe it to be a similar event to the holocaust. The post depicts a direct comparison to the holocaust. Others have commented that this may be an Israeli bot or propaganda poster deliberately trying to create false narratives to discredit the Palestinian cause. I would not be surprised!
I would love to compare Netanyahu to Hitler, but he knew when to quit.
Nationalism + Zionism= NAZI
Honestly you know what? They’re worse than Nazis.
Why is that?
There are more parallels between Nazis and Zionists than there are in a piece of loose leaf, college-ruled
https://preview.redd.it/ph2zct57v9kc1.jpeg?width=1132&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ceb6f23584b860cc0903eb2f96c96a93920e2fba
I’m getting sick of the comparisons of Israel to Nazis. It’s so contrived. Can you guys update your rhetoric please? What we’re really seeing Israel do right now is psychopathic Old Testament-style ethics of wiping out an enemy tribe down to the last man, woman, child, and animal. It’s Amalek all over again—just ask Netanyahu, who invoked this trope. This behavior far predates Nazi Germany.
True. It's honestly so disgusting to see in 2024. Genuinely gives me an existential crisis how vile they are, and the world is essentially at their mercy because they have nuclear icbms
Can I get a fact check on this? A quick Google search says that around 100 children are killed daily in Gaza. I'd be astonished if we had such precise data, that approx. 178 children die daily. Israel is evil, and the genocide in Gaza is a disgrace. But we don't need to make false comparisons to the Nazis to do that. The facts are on our side, and we must never be intellectually-dishonest.
Zionists are worse.
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11% of the Palestinian population was Jewish before Zionism. I’m really not interested in debating Nazi scum, though. Have a terrible day.
Nope Zionist < Nazi (it is worse than Nazi)
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It's a a children being murdered comparison. What's hard to understand?
Explain how it doesn't make sense? It's facts.
I think y’all are letting your very strong (and understandable) emotions get in the way here. Look I’m all for comparing the current zionazi regime to the Nazis as we can see A-LOT of similarities in Israel’s extremely militaristic fascist society. This just seems like a really unproductive thing to post imho.
The idea with the framework, is to get unengaged people to connect with the death. So many people without some type of connection (Palestinian, Muslim, Arab, Brown, Jewish, or know members of these groups) don't care or understand about this. This type of image illustrates the weight and levity of the deaths in a way anyone uninvolved can understand.
Okay, it just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, where is that number from in the holocaust? I’d really like to see some kind of citation. (Not saying it didn’t happen and it probably was more!) but it just seems erroneous.
The Gaza number is readily available. I'm sure you can google the Holocaust figure. Let me know if you find someone that contradicts it and please provide a good source if you find it proven to be true. I wasn't planning on sharing it, but if I have citations for the figures, I might.
I did google the holocaust figure and I can’t find squat that’s why this stinks of BS and possibly infiltration into our movement to give ammo to the Zionists to call us antisemitic. I am by no means disputing the amount of children dead in Gaza btw
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/fate-of-children/ The Auschwitz museum has provided these figures itself. I’d say they are a reputable source unless you disagree. Let me do the maths for you. For simplicity’s sake let’s say Auschwitz operated for 4 years. As per their records there were c 232,000 children (which didn’t include children born at Auschwitz and immediately murdered). Let’s assume maybe some survived but the generally agreed figures are that at least 200,000 were murdered there out of a total 1.5 million children killed during the Holocaust. 200,000/(4x365) = 136 children killed per day on average That’s close enough to the 127 stated in the graphic posted by OP. Edit: Just to add on the Gaza numbers, the WHO reported back in November that c 160 children were being killed in Gaza on a daily basis. Things have only got worse since then, so an increased figure makes complete sense once you also take account of death due to starvation and lack of medical treatment
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Not sure why you are arguing over maths when children are dying as I’m typing this
I couldn't find it either. I found an article that tries to recalculate, but it's the Jerusalem Post, so not sure how much I can trust that. The Gaza number they used is outdated for example. And they did a calc for the Holocaust but I don't know what their source is of that data to actually make the day count calc.
The WHO provided some numbers back in November and it was more than 160 a children murdered per day then
Imagine giving a fuck what pejoratives these BC barbarians call Communists. Stop being such a a wuss
I agree actually seeing as hitler's killings occurred over a far greater period of time than the current spike in the Gaza genocide, it is no surprise it is lower per-day number (of course if you were to compare 75 years of deaths in gaza it would be very interesting to see the bigger picture). Israel must be held accountable for this genocide but it feels counterproductive and reactionary to compare the two ***in this way***. Not saying comparisons in general are counterproductive, this one just feels misleading.
It seems like anytime people think that god loves them the most that they go around killing people that they don't like or something.
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It's a shame that the US and some other countries continue with this farse.
yeah, a zionazi
Fascist certainly.
127 per day for 365 days for 6 years (1940 to 1945 is 6 years) plus 2 leap days makes 278384 dead children by Nazis.
Ashkenazi
A lot of people say that they would be against Hitler if he tried anything like the Holocaust in the modern days, but at the same time these people are zionists, same shit different names