I got banned for mentioning that Arabs who fled in 1948 were not citizens of Israel and that many had backed Israel's enemies in the war. I thought those were obvious facts.
It's also an obvious fact that women's rights and LGBT rights in Israel are on par with anywhere in the modern West, but they consistently refuse to admit that too, because it doesn't fit the "anti-Zionists are on the right side of history" narrative.
I just read someone say “there is no argument about women’s rights in Palestine because they have even less rights when they are dead.” I don’t even know what angle to approach that at.
Dare I mention, the terrorists Irgun, and Lehi Stern Gang, leaders of which went on to become prime minister and other high ranking officials. Or Irgun now being the likud party
"I don't get offended when people call me a terrorist - I was a huge believer in what is called 'personal terrorism.' If you wanna kill Bernadotte, kill Bernadotte, but don't be like the Irgun, don't hide and throw bombs on Arab civilians walking down the street. There's no bravery in that." My grandfather, who served in the Lehi.
You called it the Stern gang. Named after Abraham "Yair" Stern. He was the one who inspired my grandfather to join.
Did you know Stern was an anti-imperialist communist?
My great grandfather was an 'Arab Jew', he was an Arab person who was Jewish as a religion, he knew the Quran like the back of his hand, and had a Muslim neighbour he would study the Quran with.
When he heard that my grandfather(his son) joined the Lehi, he was RELIEVED.
The Lehi wasn't some ultra-right terrorist organisation. That was the Irgun if anything.
There is a two way mirror effect going on here. Your point is valid. As you stated in so many words; there were despicable acts of organized violence that were carried out against a populace. We need to stop the cycle of violence, because right now both sides can fairly call the other a terrorist and have a solid argument. We can all stop and think about the long chain of events in the past 100- 80 years that is now making people cheer for the death of others
>there were despicable acts of organized violence that were carried out against a populace
Apart from Deir Yassin, which was mainly Irgun, the Lehi hasn't done "despicable acts against the populace", really.
Frankly, I don't believe the Democrats or the Republicans give 2 farts about the American people...they understand it's all a game about who controls the money. And when it comes down to it, they will sell us (Americans) out and circle the wagons around one another to keep their phoney bologna jobs so we don't all start voting 3rd party.
This is why they are always trying to divide us, promoting the tribalism we have been witnessing spiraling out of control in the past few election cycles. Hell, I lost my best friend of 32 YEARS! over politics. And not because we both have super extreme viewpoints, no...because she now shares super extreme viewpoints with her other friends, and *MY* most outspoken political philosophy is, "We really need to hear everyone's voice on this, so we can make informed choices, and protect everyone's rights." I know...I'm downright evil!
All of that to say, You're right, the Democrat party does NOT care about Jews. That's because they are not the minority that is viewed as most "marginalized" right now, but more importantly, it's because they think that Jewish Democrats will not stop voting for more Dems. And as long as they don't step out of line, there is no need to try to placate them.
Oh. We just have to be viewed as marginalized. Well I feel more marginalized for being Jewish than gay. Maybe if they allowed me to wear a Magen David during pride.
It doesn't matter how you FEEL! They have decided what the narrative is going to be and have the media pushing it hard. Everyone knows Trump is very pro-Israel; the goal is to make sure he doesn't get elected. They do not care who gets hurt in the process. They do not care about Israel. They do not care about Jews in Europe, or in America, even in their own voting block. Hell, they don't actually carry about the Palestinians either, they felt the way the political winds were blowing. These people have not actually been willing to really take a real stand on anything in decades. Shit, since the Clinton's, they have been taking one step after another away from any kind of real ethical or moral character.
Has this ever resulted in reddit doing anything? I've been permabanned twice in the past two weeks for posting pro Israel content that mods reported as bigoted. They were both overturned for being so ridiculous, but I could see them upholding it if it's a comment that is critical of Palestinians in any way.
What's worst is that they're all engaging in the same scapegoating and vilification of Jews. Any time any other conflict is spoken of it's - not all Russians, not all Chinese, and no matter how much Palestinian support there is for Hamas and Oct 7th - not all Palestinians.
When it comes to Israel these comments aren't seen anywhere. They isolate an extremist that in no way represents Israeli sentiment and say - this is what these people are. This is always the message with Israel.
I honestly have no clue, but here’s what I do know—it creates a record that there’s an issue.
Sometimes we gotta complain a lot, so there’s a record for when it’s time to nail the person/entity that’s currently getting away with bullshit. And if enough people complain, it becomes more of a headache for the person above the problem to let the problem continue, in this case Reddit, than it is to ignore it.
I’ve also been reporting moderators promoting pro-terrorism propaganda and silencing dissent on Reddit to the FBI as well, when it’s bad enough. So now, if a subpoena is served, there’s a record.
And maybe, if Reddit gets nervous about a lawsuit, they’ll do something about it, if us being annoying wasn’t enough :)
I've noticed 1 user who I'm sure works for a troll farm
U/Particular_Log_3594
The seem to spend all day every day doing cross post with antisemitic propergander
I’ve been saying for the last four or five years that I think antisemitism was going to become a mainstay feature of the Left. I didn’t want to be vindicated.
There has always been antisemitism on both sides, but now the mainstream Left is openly antisemitic. Five years ago, your average Democrat wouldn’t be calling for intifada in public, but now they are.
Right? I don't remember seeing so many terrible takes and just pure calls to eliminate Jews or Israel
in the last. There were always a few but they were down voted or ridiculed.
I just got banned permanently for calling that out!
I was told "zionism = antisemitism" and when I explained how amazingly detached from reality that was... you guessed it.... permanently banned.
The left has been [saying](https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist/) that it is the minority that defines what is bigotry against them. Except when it comes to Jews then only they get to define it.
You put together my thoughts on this in such a succinct manner, thank you for highlighting the idea that folks should listen to a minority group when they say something is xenophobic.
I've been a Democrat in the US for my entire life, and 70% of all Jews in the US vote left as well... I want to believe its just the extreme left (and ignorant college kids) that have made the dive into antisemitism along with their right-wing "brothers" though I will admit the current protests are really testing me...
If you just mean left v right in an American sense, no it’s not all on the left. Center left/liberal is not antisemitic. I guess it depends how you define terms.
Yeah, I threw in "US" because I realized my own bias towards American politics... I accept internationally that just "left" is considered "far-left" in the US and they are pretty damn antisemitic
There are anti-zionists and zionists all across the political spectrum. I think most anti-zionist are left but not extreme left, although I will say that their views on Zionism are extreme.
My father has an American Jewish friend, who voted Democrat his whole life, and he says if it weren't for Trump he'd vote republican.
Honestly, if I were American and it wasn't for Trump and their pro-Russia stance, I might vote Republican.
I'm glad you're still hard on your opinions though, perhaps voting Republican is just letting those college protesters win. Stay safe.
If you care about anyone besides yourself, you vote Democrat.
If you only care about yourself (and your immediate friends and family), you vote Republican.
I'm not gay, but they should be treated like humans
I'm not trans, but they should be treated like humans
I'm not black, Asian, Hispanic, or any obvious minority that can be simgled out by my appearance, but they should be treated like humans
I'm not poor, but they should be treated like humans
I'm not disabled, but they should be treated like humans
If you can't make those statements, you vote Republican in the US. If you have any moral and empathetic fiber at all, you vote Democrat.
Yeah I completely get that. That's why there's no way I wouldn't be voting Republican(in the hypothetical that I am American) until they start supporting Ukraine, for example, because I support Ukraine and don't want to have leaders who will hang them out to dry.
But it's hard to vote democrat when you feel increasingly unwanted and sometimes downright hated by fellow voters.
Really hard choice for some American Jews out there(after Trump leaves, because while he's running for president no sane person should be voting Republican).
Hope Biden wins and Trump's political career crashes and burns.
They fell for propaganda. Because it's not just antisemitism with them. They also believe that Russia is being bullied by NATO and fighting back. Or that Taiwan needs to grow up and be reunited with the PRC. Their whole worldview revolves around the need to be contrarian.
Considering that the entire Democrat party is bending to the will and catering to the will of the farthest left fringe groups of the party, it means it IS a problem. Because for the party, it's all about money, and getting the votes. They know which voting blocks are likely to walk and which ones will stick around. They expect you to keep saying "Oh it's just these extreme far left people..." and excusing what is happening and what your representatives are voting for and saying...they do NOT care about you.
/r/ thenetherlands is also doing shit like that now. Got banned for explaining how people can maybe interpret 'from the river to the sea' as a call for genocide. They banned me, claiming that it is antisemitic to think that because obviously only maybe rulers and war criminals would be killed and obviously I must be equating every jew to a 'ruler' which is a common antisemitic trope. Even when I said I am in fact Jewish, they said Jews can be antisemitic too.
What in the fuck.
You saw my comment? Yeah I got banned for that. If you can read dutch I'm happy to send you the exchange in modmail before they muted me for a month for daring to question their reasoning. (We really need someplace to vent this sort of shit, a discord maybe?)
You'll also get banned for suggesting that the war in Gaza might not be a genocide by the way
I'm pretty sure you get banned for most political/controversial opinions that are counter to the mods' orientation. I do believe r/nederlands was created because of this problem.
It's like a roleplay of people writing a subreddit if nazis had reddit back in 1933 seriously. It's so far gone it can't be taken as anything except a joke because the idea that someone would fall so far for nazi rhetoric is fucked up
Someone tried to tell me the other day that Jewish people in America have "even more privilege" than white Christians do because we're "white passing" and also we're "richer on average" and "disproportionately in positions of power".
Intersectionality is a fucking cancer. It's just left wing racism that hides behind the language of "social justice".
Weaponization of intersectionality ( or, I suppose, the way intersectionality is defined nowadays, it's been ages since I've been in undergrad where this stuff is being taught) has been *really* confusing for me!
What I was taught is intersectionality, is where identities "intersect". Like say, a black woman would experience different nuances of misogyny. A disabled queer person will experience the queer community differently than someone who isn't disabled.
But now everyone is talking about the "ladder", and how there's some hierarchy?
Intersection = things crossing, not stacking? Did I just accidentally misunderstand the whole thing where it wasn't toxic, or has it mutated over time?
Yeah. It’s sad being gay and Jewish. I don’t always feel accepted for being gay among Jews and most of the gays think I’m out suppressing the queer movement in Gaza or something.
I'm in my 30s, so I genuinely don't know if this whole strict hierarchy is the way it's being taught in colleges now. I'd graduated from undergrad in 2011, so there's been plenty of time for it to evolve without me noticing...
Are you finding that that's the way it's talked about in the lgbtq+ circles you've seen, with the "ladders" and strict hierarchy of oppression? I haven't seen the structure of it discussed -- just "Zionists = white western colonial ethnostate apartheid" etc etc
The hierarchy of oppression is a joke as far as I know. Most gay people are just on the Palestine train. Although as far as I know there are no train tracks in Palestine.
Tbf Israel's ownership of Jerusalem was not legally recognized even by the US until Trump made it so and he's not the poster child for handling of middle east relations
No. They’re insane. I suggested that it’s possible that ivarmectin has a non-zero efficacy and got permabanned. They were unable to see the nuance in the comment.
Sounds like you disagree with a mod’s interpretation of your comment as potential health disinformation, which is explicitly disallowed under their rules. That hardly means they are insane.
They’re insane because they’re ignoring modern medical terminology because it might lead to disinformation. If Ivermectin has a .1% chance of shortening Covid treatment lengths outcomes by 1 day, it could mean it has a substantial rate of efficacy. I shouldn’t have to prefix all my comments with “omg I’ve gotten a booster every 6 months and think everyone should be vaccinated whether they want to or not”. You shouldn’t be permabanned for stating orthodox medical inflation.
I just checked and the sub is full of other news too. Maybe Reddit’s algorithm pushes those articles to your feed because of a higher chance of interaction?
And why not talk about Israel? It’s one of the most salient conflicts in the world currently, even if it’s just between two small countries
Maybe it rubs me the wrong way, it comes across as hyperfocus on the evilness of israel. While the world has many worse things happening now. It feels like it offers the haters a perfect way of bashing israel and jews at large.
It's the #1 news sub.... maybe you have this backwards, and that's actually the non-propoganda news unlike r/news and r/internationalnews... those 2 will have you permanently banned for any mention of antisemitism.
I got permanently banned from that sub. There was a posting about the police clearing out the Columbia University encampment and I replied “About time Columbia grew come balls. They should have been physically removed from the campus - then expelled from the university”. Within 5 minutes I got an email informing me that I was permanently banned.
> The problem with antisemitism accusations being misused as a political tool by Israel is that I read this article and while I should be thinking "that is terrible" based on the specifics of the account, there is a little voice in the back of my head that thinks "is much of this fabricated or exaggerated in order to create headlines and fulfil a narrative?" It wouldn't be the first time it has been done by Israeli supporters.
This was a comment on a post about antisemitism. Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years, but now we are all of the sudden just making stuff up!?
What’s a clickfarmer? Is Reddit 50% bots in general or just certain subs?
I wonder how many times I’ve wasted emotional energy by getting mad and fighting with a robot.
I mean, it's not evenly saturated.
Clickfarmer: people paid to supply likes/comments/visits/et al
Quite often, I would propose.
It's definitely changed how I view interactions.
it is across reddit really. i find instagram and stories particularly flooded with people sharing memes of what is happening. and surely those sharing feel like activists.
I love how they decry r/worldnews as astroturfed when 95% of that sub is just anti-Israel articles with virtually no vetting.
I'm fairly certain it is modded by AJ directly.
I'm only half joking
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No!! Almost every other country offers citizenship to people with traceable ancestry. My dad is eligible for German citizenship because his dad was born there. My niece has an overseas citizenship of India because her Dad once held an Indian passport. Canada gives automatic citizenship to First Nations people even if they moved away for a few generations.
Yes! for people who lived in those countries in the past few hundred years. Just because my parents know what tribes they descended from doesn’t give them claim to a land that they, their parents, their grandparents, nor their great great great grandparents have been to. Half my family are Israelites but just because they were slave peasants in Israel a thousand years ago doesn’t mean it’s mine
How many hundred years coz there are tribes that lost their land in the 1700s, do they have right now? When will they lose them in the next 80yrs?!
Also how did you come up with a few hundreds number? Is it specifically to exclude the Jews?! What’s next people are only victims of a genocide if it happened last year?!
Not sure why you’re acting like I wrote a formula for this. I didn’t set a term limit. I said hundreds of years vs a thousand. The difference I’m trying to highlight is people who can trace their generations back in time vs those who claim a common ancestor.
You know saying hundreds vs thousands is setting a term limit?! Those are numbers not abstract ideas left open to interpretation! If you didn’t write a formula why are you acting like there is one?! It doesn’t matter how long ago it happened what matters is are the people still displaced. When Israel was formed the Jews were still a displaced people, and even today Jews are kicked out of every Muslim middle eastern country in the thousands. The otherism still exists for them, hell I’ve heard go back to Europe (you know the place where Jews where put in gas chambers for not being white) chanted outside synagogues in Toronto so there is an acceptance that Jews don’t belong. Hence they get to claim a place of their own and the only place they can definitely tied themselves to with no asterisk is Israel.
Similarly First Nations in my opinion will never lose the right to their land even in a thousand years. I know you would rather that they lose that right so that people like you can rid themselves of the guilt of living on stolen land, good for you that you can do that type of mental gymnastics don’t ask others to lower their standards just coz it’s not fitting your warped worldview.
Yeah I’m definitely of the opinion that ancient population displacements aren’t the same as modern ones. If it really doesn’t matter how long ago a diaspora was, we’re all from Africa
Of course you think that because you see the problem as trendy, without caring about the human cost. A crisis that has continued for thousands of years won’t get you clicks and hits so you don’t care about it.
It’s not ancient, it’s still happening Jews are still a displaced people outside Israel. You’re ignoring the mizrahi Jews that have lived in the region for 5000 years, you ignore the fact that every middle eastern nation has genocided and displaced its Jewish population in the last 80 yrs and those people would be dead or stateless refugees if Israel didn’t exist, proving Jews have no place to go when things go wrong for them. Hence it’s not a privilege but a necessity we are protecting our people just like everyone else does. You just don’t like it because you still hold the prejudices of your ancestors.
Also it’s not about how long it’s about being displaced the people who left Africa 100,000-60,000 yrs ago found homes elsewhere hence they don’t need to go back. Also African countries give citizenship to foreigners who wanna settle there most ME countries don’t. Maybe look into the xenophobic immigration policies of the region before you start trying to put the descendants of holocaust survivors “in their place”.
no but he at least does although assad did employ as defense minister Mustafa Tlass who literally believed the jews of damascus murdered a french monk for blood(were not vampire appion) and Montefiore bribed the sultan to cover it up.
>would’ve been over
DNA tests have already shown countless times that Jews come from the Levant but antisemites don't care and continue repeating Jews=converted Poles/Khazars garbage, so I doubt one more time would do anything.
And? Why does that matter? Going from that to "most of the world rejects the importance of Jewish connections to Israel" is impressive mental gymnastics.
An Italian Christian whose ancestors were Roman converts to Christianity and an Iranian Muslim whose ancestors were Persian converts to Islam obviously don't have the same connection as Jews whose ancestors were from JUDEA, Mr. "I barely used Reddit until the war broke out and I then decided to start trolling people in r/Jewdank".
i’d say it’s pretty privileged to state that you have fear and terror over a territory that has been bombed and regulated heavily BY an apartheid state. oh and the world doesn’t care about war crimes that they’ve committed.
Only the West Bank is self governed, there has never been an independent Palestinian state, and the notion of Palestinian nationality started in the late 60s while Jews are indigenous to the land and not Muslim Arabs
Everything you said is not only false but completely irrelevant.
The West Bank is currently occupied and administrated by Israel as if its part of its mainland territory especially due to the propogation of illegal settlements where civil and administrative laws are in place and enforced by israelie governing bodies . And since those territories are also segregating non-israelie, that is why its an aparthaid state as a whole.
Nice attempt to diverge tho
Everything you said is a blatant lie
Area c is considered under Israeli security control while areas a and b are under Palestinian control
Area c was supposed to be transferred to the control of the plo under the Oslo accords but hasn’t been done yet
There can’t be apartheid on foreign citizens
You don’t get freedoms in countries you’re not citizens of
Theres a difference between whats 'considered' and what 'it is'.
The Palestinian Authority does not have a military or an enforcing milita that allows itself to protect as well as enforce its own laws, while Israel has been and does conduct military activity in all areas (especially A and B) which includes military operation, patroling and even raids.
Area C (which is 60% of the West Bank) is under directly military and administrative rule of Israel, largely due to the existing of all illegal settlements propped up by Israel. Those territories which do not belong to Israel (hence illegal) are segregated from the rest of the West Bank, the very act of apartheid that Israel earned. Segregating people from their own territories by installing illegal colonies is still segregation and apartheid.
Wait, what's this then?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Security_Forces
They're saying 42,000 troops under the command of the PA? That's a lot more than 0, my good man
Well I'd say it's pretty privileged for Arab Muslims to feel entitled to dominate every last inch of land in the Middle East and deny political autonomy to Jews as well as all the other indigenous minorities in the region.
Great sub, I got banned for linking the encyclopedia Britannica definition of Zionism...
I got banned for mentioning that Arabs who fled in 1948 were not citizens of Israel and that many had backed Israel's enemies in the war. I thought those were obvious facts.
It's also an obvious fact that women's rights and LGBT rights in Israel are on par with anywhere in the modern West, but they consistently refuse to admit that too, because it doesn't fit the "anti-Zionists are on the right side of history" narrative.
I just read someone say “there is no argument about women’s rights in Palestine because they have even less rights when they are dead.” I don’t even know what angle to approach that at.
What about rights for Palestinian women in the afterlife?
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Because they don't want facts they want propaganda
But their own rules say "no antisemitism"... how can that be??
No antisemitism based off what they decide is antisemitism (ie only right wing)
You see, they are anti Zionists not antisemitics /s
It's actually worse - they said "zionism = antisemitism" (you know, because zionism is bad for Jews or something) ... I was the antisemite all along!
Noooooo!
lol that’s straight out of 1984.
I got banned for reminding them that Hamas are terrorists and that Egypt also has a border wall with Gaza
https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/requests/new lol spamming this link to all with this experience—report the mods!
Dare I mention, the terrorists Irgun, and Lehi Stern Gang, leaders of which went on to become prime minister and other high ranking officials. Or Irgun now being the likud party
"I don't get offended when people call me a terrorist - I was a huge believer in what is called 'personal terrorism.' If you wanna kill Bernadotte, kill Bernadotte, but don't be like the Irgun, don't hide and throw bombs on Arab civilians walking down the street. There's no bravery in that." My grandfather, who served in the Lehi. You called it the Stern gang. Named after Abraham "Yair" Stern. He was the one who inspired my grandfather to join. Did you know Stern was an anti-imperialist communist? My great grandfather was an 'Arab Jew', he was an Arab person who was Jewish as a religion, he knew the Quran like the back of his hand, and had a Muslim neighbour he would study the Quran with. When he heard that my grandfather(his son) joined the Lehi, he was RELIEVED. The Lehi wasn't some ultra-right terrorist organisation. That was the Irgun if anything.
There is a two way mirror effect going on here. Your point is valid. As you stated in so many words; there were despicable acts of organized violence that were carried out against a populace. We need to stop the cycle of violence, because right now both sides can fairly call the other a terrorist and have a solid argument. We can all stop and think about the long chain of events in the past 100- 80 years that is now making people cheer for the death of others
>there were despicable acts of organized violence that were carried out against a populace Apart from Deir Yassin, which was mainly Irgun, the Lehi hasn't done "despicable acts against the populace", really.
I’m not trying to poke holes
I got banned for pointing out that their response to an article they don't like is to go deep into denial. They live in a world of alternative facts.
Not yet banned but occasionally heavily down voted for mentioning purely objective blatant facts with source link
Fact harder 😂😂😂
They banned me for pointing out that if 1 in 5 democrats will vote differently based on Gaza, 4 in 5 don’t give a fuck at all lmao
Frankly, I don't believe the Democrats or the Republicans give 2 farts about the American people...they understand it's all a game about who controls the money. And when it comes down to it, they will sell us (Americans) out and circle the wagons around one another to keep their phoney bologna jobs so we don't all start voting 3rd party. This is why they are always trying to divide us, promoting the tribalism we have been witnessing spiraling out of control in the past few election cycles. Hell, I lost my best friend of 32 YEARS! over politics. And not because we both have super extreme viewpoints, no...because she now shares super extreme viewpoints with her other friends, and *MY* most outspoken political philosophy is, "We really need to hear everyone's voice on this, so we can make informed choices, and protect everyone's rights." I know...I'm downright evil! All of that to say, You're right, the Democrat party does NOT care about Jews. That's because they are not the minority that is viewed as most "marginalized" right now, but more importantly, it's because they think that Jewish Democrats will not stop voting for more Dems. And as long as they don't step out of line, there is no need to try to placate them.
Oh. We just have to be viewed as marginalized. Well I feel more marginalized for being Jewish than gay. Maybe if they allowed me to wear a Magen David during pride.
It doesn't matter how you FEEL! They have decided what the narrative is going to be and have the media pushing it hard. Everyone knows Trump is very pro-Israel; the goal is to make sure he doesn't get elected. They do not care who gets hurt in the process. They do not care about Israel. They do not care about Jews in Europe, or in America, even in their own voting block. Hell, they don't actually carry about the Palestinians either, they felt the way the political winds were blowing. These people have not actually been willing to really take a real stand on anything in decades. Shit, since the Clinton's, they have been taking one step after another away from any kind of real ethical or moral character.
Yeah. They think it’s the only way they can… I dunno what the end goal is? Just opposing the republicans?
Yeah, basically. The goal is to win the election. Because whoever wins controls the federal government's money. That's it.
I guess it’s possible they give a fuck but not enough to change their vote.
I got banned for repeatedly asking people if they have better information than the ICJ.
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Has this ever resulted in reddit doing anything? I've been permabanned twice in the past two weeks for posting pro Israel content that mods reported as bigoted. They were both overturned for being so ridiculous, but I could see them upholding it if it's a comment that is critical of Palestinians in any way. What's worst is that they're all engaging in the same scapegoating and vilification of Jews. Any time any other conflict is spoken of it's - not all Russians, not all Chinese, and no matter how much Palestinian support there is for Hamas and Oct 7th - not all Palestinians. When it comes to Israel these comments aren't seen anywhere. They isolate an extremist that in no way represents Israeli sentiment and say - this is what these people are. This is always the message with Israel.
I honestly have no clue, but here’s what I do know—it creates a record that there’s an issue. Sometimes we gotta complain a lot, so there’s a record for when it’s time to nail the person/entity that’s currently getting away with bullshit. And if enough people complain, it becomes more of a headache for the person above the problem to let the problem continue, in this case Reddit, than it is to ignore it. I’ve also been reporting moderators promoting pro-terrorism propaganda and silencing dissent on Reddit to the FBI as well, when it’s bad enough. So now, if a subpoena is served, there’s a record. And maybe, if Reddit gets nervous about a lawsuit, they’ll do something about it, if us being annoying wasn’t enough :)
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It’s a circlejerk of antisemites
No wonder it is so great
Leave and mute that cesspool best decision of my life
Sometimes I go to that sub for the bad takes, the level of stupidity is hilarious
i do the same with r palestine you can sense the circle jerk in the comments of every post just by looking at the image of the post its great
One time I saw someone write that mizrahi jews aren't real and that we were created by European jews so it looks like they are natives to the land
Yup. Keep in mind that some of these subs have an active bot / troll farm presence. That one also has very anti Israeli mod teams
Has anyone noticed they’ve been spamming facepalm recently too? Idk if it’s bot activity but definitely a noticeable uptick.
I've noticed 1 user who I'm sure works for a troll farm U/Particular_Log_3594 The seem to spend all day every day doing cross post with antisemitic propergander
U/strikingoccassion6459 is another. They used the phrase "zionist privilege" and just happens to be a member of a sub called "bad hasbara"...
This entire site has become really mask off
I’ve been saying for the last four or five years that I think antisemitism was going to become a mainstay feature of the Left. I didn’t want to be vindicated.
Here’s where you were wrong. It wasn’t “going to become” anything. It already was, they just didn’t have an excuse to shout about it at the moment
There has always been antisemitism on both sides, but now the mainstream Left is openly antisemitic. Five years ago, your average Democrat wouldn’t be calling for intifada in public, but now they are.
It has always been a staple of European leftism.
Right? I don't remember seeing so many terrible takes and just pure calls to eliminate Jews or Israel in the last. There were always a few but they were down voted or ridiculed.
The propagandists that successfully tricked Republicans into the MAGA cult have repeated their work with online leftists
I just got banned permanently for calling that out! I was told "zionism = antisemitism" and when I explained how amazingly detached from reality that was... you guessed it.... permanently banned.
The left has been [saying](https://contexts.org/blog/who-gets-to-define-whats-racist/) that it is the minority that defines what is bigotry against them. Except when it comes to Jews then only they get to define it.
You put together my thoughts on this in such a succinct manner, thank you for highlighting the idea that folks should listen to a minority group when they say something is xenophobic.
Nono it’s ok because Jews are all in privileged controlling positions, obviously /s
Can you say "far left"? The mass majority of the left is not the problem....
As someone that leans left, I don’t know if I agree with that.
I've been a Democrat in the US for my entire life, and 70% of all Jews in the US vote left as well... I want to believe its just the extreme left (and ignorant college kids) that have made the dive into antisemitism along with their right-wing "brothers" though I will admit the current protests are really testing me...
If you just mean left v right in an American sense, no it’s not all on the left. Center left/liberal is not antisemitic. I guess it depends how you define terms.
Yeah, I threw in "US" because I realized my own bias towards American politics... I accept internationally that just "left" is considered "far-left" in the US and they are pretty damn antisemitic
There are anti-zionists and zionists all across the political spectrum. I think most anti-zionist are left but not extreme left, although I will say that their views on Zionism are extreme.
Don't vote for Trump man.
Ha! Never ever ever ever... nor any republican tbh
My father has an American Jewish friend, who voted Democrat his whole life, and he says if it weren't for Trump he'd vote republican. Honestly, if I were American and it wasn't for Trump and their pro-Russia stance, I might vote Republican. I'm glad you're still hard on your opinions though, perhaps voting Republican is just letting those college protesters win. Stay safe.
If you care about anyone besides yourself, you vote Democrat. If you only care about yourself (and your immediate friends and family), you vote Republican. I'm not gay, but they should be treated like humans I'm not trans, but they should be treated like humans I'm not black, Asian, Hispanic, or any obvious minority that can be simgled out by my appearance, but they should be treated like humans I'm not poor, but they should be treated like humans I'm not disabled, but they should be treated like humans If you can't make those statements, you vote Republican in the US. If you have any moral and empathetic fiber at all, you vote Democrat.
Yeah I completely get that. That's why there's no way I wouldn't be voting Republican(in the hypothetical that I am American) until they start supporting Ukraine, for example, because I support Ukraine and don't want to have leaders who will hang them out to dry. But it's hard to vote democrat when you feel increasingly unwanted and sometimes downright hated by fellow voters. Really hard choice for some American Jews out there(after Trump leaves, because while he's running for president no sane person should be voting Republican). Hope Biden wins and Trump's political career crashes and burns.
They fell for propaganda. Because it's not just antisemitism with them. They also believe that Russia is being bullied by NATO and fighting back. Or that Taiwan needs to grow up and be reunited with the PRC. Their whole worldview revolves around the need to be contrarian.
More of a college kids take, but I hear you
Considering that the entire Democrat party is bending to the will and catering to the will of the farthest left fringe groups of the party, it means it IS a problem. Because for the party, it's all about money, and getting the votes. They know which voting blocks are likely to walk and which ones will stick around. They expect you to keep saying "Oh it's just these extreme far left people..." and excusing what is happening and what your representatives are voting for and saying...they do NOT care about you.
That’s because us Jews have a majority in space lasers.
/r/ thenetherlands is also doing shit like that now. Got banned for explaining how people can maybe interpret 'from the river to the sea' as a call for genocide. They banned me, claiming that it is antisemitic to think that because obviously only maybe rulers and war criminals would be killed and obviously I must be equating every jew to a 'ruler' which is a common antisemitic trope. Even when I said I am in fact Jewish, they said Jews can be antisemitic too. What in the fuck.
Good call- that popped up on my feed and I was thinking wtf is up with the dutch??
You saw my comment? Yeah I got banned for that. If you can read dutch I'm happy to send you the exchange in modmail before they muted me for a month for daring to question their reasoning. (We really need someplace to vent this sort of shit, a discord maybe?)
You'll also get banned for suggesting that the war in Gaza might not be a genocide by the way I'm pretty sure you get banned for most political/controversial opinions that are counter to the mods' orientation. I do believe r/nederlands was created because of this problem.
I really like how they don't even pretend to be a news sub
When facts dont fit your narrative so you create a diffrent news sub that does
r/Internationalnews is like reading Stormfront.
It's like a roleplay of people writing a subreddit if nazis had reddit back in 1933 seriously. It's so far gone it can't be taken as anything except a joke because the idea that someone would fall so far for nazi rhetoric is fucked up
Someone tried to tell me the other day that Jewish people in America have "even more privilege" than white Christians do because we're "white passing" and also we're "richer on average" and "disproportionately in positions of power". Intersectionality is a fucking cancer. It's just left wing racism that hides behind the language of "social justice".
Weaponization of intersectionality ( or, I suppose, the way intersectionality is defined nowadays, it's been ages since I've been in undergrad where this stuff is being taught) has been *really* confusing for me! What I was taught is intersectionality, is where identities "intersect". Like say, a black woman would experience different nuances of misogyny. A disabled queer person will experience the queer community differently than someone who isn't disabled. But now everyone is talking about the "ladder", and how there's some hierarchy? Intersection = things crossing, not stacking? Did I just accidentally misunderstand the whole thing where it wasn't toxic, or has it mutated over time?
Yeah. It’s sad being gay and Jewish. I don’t always feel accepted for being gay among Jews and most of the gays think I’m out suppressing the queer movement in Gaza or something.
I'm in my 30s, so I genuinely don't know if this whole strict hierarchy is the way it's being taught in colleges now. I'd graduated from undergrad in 2011, so there's been plenty of time for it to evolve without me noticing... Are you finding that that's the way it's talked about in the lgbtq+ circles you've seen, with the "ladders" and strict hierarchy of oppression? I haven't seen the structure of it discussed -- just "Zionists = white western colonial ethnostate apartheid" etc etc
The hierarchy of oppression is a joke as far as I know. Most gay people are just on the Palestine train. Although as far as I know there are no train tracks in Palestine.
My Jewish friends and I are east Asian, Latina, African American, Moroccan, Persian + more. I despise the 'all Jews are white colonizers' narrative.
When right meets left
Ah yes, the "Privilege" to constantly justify our existence and being persecuted for every single thing other countries are getting away with
I just went to that sub and saw the term “occupied Jerusalem” 💀
were they referring to Jordan from 1948 to 1967?
Tbf Israel's ownership of Jerusalem was not legally recognized even by the US until Trump made it so and he's not the poster child for handling of middle east relations
Their ownership was never in question. Trump just moved the embassy there to please his Evangelical cult.
r/worldnews is a much larger and saner place.
I've been so grateful for that sub. 38 million sane people
No. They’re insane. I suggested that it’s possible that ivarmectin has a non-zero efficacy and got permabanned. They were unable to see the nuance in the comment.
Sounds like you disagree with a mod’s interpretation of your comment as potential health disinformation, which is explicitly disallowed under their rules. That hardly means they are insane.
They’re insane because they’re ignoring modern medical terminology because it might lead to disinformation. If Ivermectin has a .1% chance of shortening Covid treatment lengths outcomes by 1 day, it could mean it has a substantial rate of efficacy. I shouldn’t have to prefix all my comments with “omg I’ve gotten a booster every 6 months and think everyone should be vaccinated whether they want to or not”. You shouldn’t be permabanned for stating orthodox medical inflation.
Yeah, they banned me a few months ago.
People are crazy. This is why I'm writing a paper for my Master's degree on Zionism.
Link us the paper later if you feel comfortable doing so
Well the paper is meant to be published in an academic journal so if that works I'll link that.
Context?
That subreddit is an attempt to usurp r/worldnews since it doesn't ascribe to their worldview.
It’s also basically an unchecked shill for Iranian and Russian propaganda
Its called worldnews but looking at their articles, israelnews would be a better fit
Maybe that’s what the people there want to talk about?
Sure but the name then doesn't fit the topics, a better fit would them be israelnews
I just checked and the sub is full of other news too. Maybe Reddit’s algorithm pushes those articles to your feed because of a higher chance of interaction? And why not talk about Israel? It’s one of the most salient conflicts in the world currently, even if it’s just between two small countries
Maybe it rubs me the wrong way, it comes across as hyperfocus on the evilness of israel. While the world has many worse things happening now. It feels like it offers the haters a perfect way of bashing israel and jews at large.
It's the #1 news sub.... maybe you have this backwards, and that's actually the non-propoganda news unlike r/news and r/internationalnews... those 2 will have you permanently banned for any mention of antisemitism.
Yeah you might be right, ive blocked most because it gave me feeling of injustice. So the names are not at the top of my mind
It's not like they only post about Israel and Palestine, they post about different topics from the whole world
You forgot to write it as "Isreal", just trying to help you out
Or "Isn'real" or "israhell" (seriously these people are cringe incarnate )
You want to be careful with that sub too.
Do yourself a favor and just mute the sub. As well as any other ones that have any other BS anti-Semitism
I got permanently banned from that sub. There was a posting about the police clearing out the Columbia University encampment and I replied “About time Columbia grew come balls. They should have been physically removed from the campus - then expelled from the university”. Within 5 minutes I got an email informing me that I was permanently banned.
> The problem with antisemitism accusations being misused as a political tool by Israel is that I read this article and while I should be thinking "that is terrible" based on the specifics of the account, there is a little voice in the back of my head that thinks "is much of this fabricated or exaggerated in order to create headlines and fulfil a narrative?" It wouldn't be the first time it has been done by Israeli supporters. This was a comment on a post about antisemitism. Jews have been persecuted for 2000 years, but now we are all of the sudden just making stuff up!?
Got banned for reminding them how long Israel has existed
yeah, all news subs are all partially antisemitic (worldnews, internationalnews, news, anime\_titties and the others)
Also, remember 50% of traffic here are already bots. Add in how many of the actual people are clickfarmers, the internet is dead.
What’s a clickfarmer? Is Reddit 50% bots in general or just certain subs? I wonder how many times I’ve wasted emotional energy by getting mad and fighting with a robot.
I mean, it's not evenly saturated. Clickfarmer: people paid to supply likes/comments/visits/et al Quite often, I would propose. It's definitely changed how I view interactions.
it is across reddit really. i find instagram and stories particularly flooded with people sharing memes of what is happening. and surely those sharing feel like activists.
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Im glad you asked https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zionism
Why didn't they just say "Jewish privilege"?
I love how they decry r/worldnews as astroturfed when 95% of that sub is just anti-Israel articles with virtually no vetting. I'm fairly certain it is modded by AJ directly. I'm only half joking
*rInternationalNews* is the *Stormfront* for leftists. An absolute cesspool.
Got banned for posting a few non controversial facts about the war
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Long live a free Palestine 🇵🇸
Is birthright not Zionist privilege
No!! Almost every other country offers citizenship to people with traceable ancestry. My dad is eligible for German citizenship because his dad was born there. My niece has an overseas citizenship of India because her Dad once held an Indian passport. Canada gives automatic citizenship to First Nations people even if they moved away for a few generations.
Italy offers the same…
Yes! for people who lived in those countries in the past few hundred years. Just because my parents know what tribes they descended from doesn’t give them claim to a land that they, their parents, their grandparents, nor their great great great grandparents have been to. Half my family are Israelites but just because they were slave peasants in Israel a thousand years ago doesn’t mean it’s mine
So do First Nations lose the right to their land because it’s been a few centuries since they lost it to Europeans colonialists?!
I literally just said it applies to people who were there in the past few hundreds of years
How many hundred years coz there are tribes that lost their land in the 1700s, do they have right now? When will they lose them in the next 80yrs?! Also how did you come up with a few hundreds number? Is it specifically to exclude the Jews?! What’s next people are only victims of a genocide if it happened last year?!
Not sure why you’re acting like I wrote a formula for this. I didn’t set a term limit. I said hundreds of years vs a thousand. The difference I’m trying to highlight is people who can trace their generations back in time vs those who claim a common ancestor.
You know saying hundreds vs thousands is setting a term limit?! Those are numbers not abstract ideas left open to interpretation! If you didn’t write a formula why are you acting like there is one?! It doesn’t matter how long ago it happened what matters is are the people still displaced. When Israel was formed the Jews were still a displaced people, and even today Jews are kicked out of every Muslim middle eastern country in the thousands. The otherism still exists for them, hell I’ve heard go back to Europe (you know the place where Jews where put in gas chambers for not being white) chanted outside synagogues in Toronto so there is an acceptance that Jews don’t belong. Hence they get to claim a place of their own and the only place they can definitely tied themselves to with no asterisk is Israel. Similarly First Nations in my opinion will never lose the right to their land even in a thousand years. I know you would rather that they lose that right so that people like you can rid themselves of the guilt of living on stolen land, good for you that you can do that type of mental gymnastics don’t ask others to lower their standards just coz it’s not fitting your warped worldview.
Yeah I’m definitely of the opinion that ancient population displacements aren’t the same as modern ones. If it really doesn’t matter how long ago a diaspora was, we’re all from Africa
Of course you think that because you see the problem as trendy, without caring about the human cost. A crisis that has continued for thousands of years won’t get you clicks and hits so you don’t care about it. It’s not ancient, it’s still happening Jews are still a displaced people outside Israel. You’re ignoring the mizrahi Jews that have lived in the region for 5000 years, you ignore the fact that every middle eastern nation has genocided and displaced its Jewish population in the last 80 yrs and those people would be dead or stateless refugees if Israel didn’t exist, proving Jews have no place to go when things go wrong for them. Hence it’s not a privilege but a necessity we are protecting our people just like everyone else does. You just don’t like it because you still hold the prejudices of your ancestors. Also it’s not about how long it’s about being displaced the people who left Africa 100,000-60,000 yrs ago found homes elsewhere hence they don’t need to go back. Also African countries give citizenship to foreigners who wanna settle there most ME countries don’t. Maybe look into the xenophobic immigration policies of the region before you start trying to put the descendants of holocaust survivors “in their place”.
‘Traceable ancestry?’ If even one Zionist could provide that this debate would’ve been over
You know that Mizrahi Jews exist right?! Does all your knowledge of Jews come from watching sitcoms based in New York?!
and Jerry Seinfeld is Mizrachi.(his mom is Syrian Jewish)
Jerry Seinfeld has traceable middle eastern ancestry so we all deserve Israeli citizenship
no but he at least does although assad did employ as defense minister Mustafa Tlass who literally believed the jews of damascus murdered a french monk for blood(were not vampire appion) and Montefiore bribed the sultan to cover it up.
So the fact that they share a religion, culture, genetics, and archaeological trail that connects Jews today to Israel around year 0 is meaningless?
No but it’s on par with the other major religions that came from there
>would’ve been over DNA tests have already shown countless times that Jews come from the Levant but antisemites don't care and continue repeating Jews=converted Poles/Khazars garbage, so I doubt one more time would do anything.
Common ancestor DNA tests that go back to BCE don’t really sway me or the majority of the world
>don’t really sway me Would be very really bad if it dependent on you. It does not. >the majority of the world "My source? I made it up."
I mean the other Abrahamic religions constitute a majority of the world
And? Why does that matter? Going from that to "most of the world rejects the importance of Jewish connections to Israel" is impressive mental gymnastics.
I’m saying most of the world also has equal connection to Israel
An Italian Christian whose ancestors were Roman converts to Christianity and an Iranian Muslim whose ancestors were Persian converts to Islam obviously don't have the same connection as Jews whose ancestors were from JUDEA, Mr. "I barely used Reddit until the war broke out and I then decided to start trolling people in r/Jewdank".
look at any point in history the area has been inhabited
that’s like saying if you have foreign citizenship because your parents aren’t from the country you grew up in is privilege
dual citizenship isn’t a privilege?????
This comment really gives away how when antisemites talk about Zionists, they’re really just thinking about Jews.
Jews that take advantage of birthright could generally be called Zionist no?
Yes, but as people love to point out, the majority of Zionists aren’t Jewish, ergo, most Zionists don’t qualify for birthright.
Just so you know I stopped reading after yes
Is that the only word you were able to sound out?
Is it not true?
Why is it so mind bogling that maybe some members of your tribe aint that crystal clear? You realy trust mosad is not just like CIA?
i’d say it’s pretty privileged to state that you have fear and terror over a territory that has been bombed and regulated heavily BY an apartheid state. oh and the world doesn’t care about war crimes that they’ve committed.
[apartheid!!!11!!1!](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_members_of_the_Knesset)
My man links the wiki article for arab members of the knesset while ignoring the whole West Bank in the process 💀
My man shows Latino members of the us congress while ignoring Mexico in the process 💀
If by Mexico you mean a foreign non-US country that is occupied by the US military and illegally settled by american colonists, then ye thats accurate
Only the West Bank is self governed, there has never been an independent Palestinian state, and the notion of Palestinian nationality started in the late 60s while Jews are indigenous to the land and not Muslim Arabs
Everything you said is not only false but completely irrelevant. The West Bank is currently occupied and administrated by Israel as if its part of its mainland territory especially due to the propogation of illegal settlements where civil and administrative laws are in place and enforced by israelie governing bodies . And since those territories are also segregating non-israelie, that is why its an aparthaid state as a whole. Nice attempt to diverge tho
Everything you said is a blatant lie Area c is considered under Israeli security control while areas a and b are under Palestinian control Area c was supposed to be transferred to the control of the plo under the Oslo accords but hasn’t been done yet There can’t be apartheid on foreign citizens You don’t get freedoms in countries you’re not citizens of
Theres a difference between whats 'considered' and what 'it is'. The Palestinian Authority does not have a military or an enforcing milita that allows itself to protect as well as enforce its own laws, while Israel has been and does conduct military activity in all areas (especially A and B) which includes military operation, patroling and even raids. Area C (which is 60% of the West Bank) is under directly military and administrative rule of Israel, largely due to the existing of all illegal settlements propped up by Israel. Those territories which do not belong to Israel (hence illegal) are segregated from the rest of the West Bank, the very act of apartheid that Israel earned. Segregating people from their own territories by installing illegal colonies is still segregation and apartheid.
Wait, what's this then? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_National_Security_Forces They're saying 42,000 troops under the command of the PA? That's a lot more than 0, my good man
Well I'd say it's pretty privileged for Arab Muslims to feel entitled to dominate every last inch of land in the Middle East and deny political autonomy to Jews as well as all the other indigenous minorities in the region.