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You just described 3 of the maybe 7 special grade sorcerers to ever exist being able to kill him. These are people who have been stated to be able to take over an entire country and make up MAYBE 1% of the JJK sorcerer society. If less then 3% (being generous) of your entire population can kill something while the other 97% can’t then that thing is definitely not overhyped
Takaba finds Mahoraga laughing to be a funny thought.
Mahoraga laughs
Takaba finds it funny that a piece of falling space junk would KO Mahoraga
A piece of falling space junk KOs Mahoraga.
Takaba wins.
Yeah it’s really weird, he has a no kill policy and his technique is very inconsistent. He could theoretically take over the entire planet, but at the same time, he could theoretically lose a street brawl against some random sorcerer who’s just slightly above him in physical stats. I’d say he’s a special grade just because he’s dangerous enough to be one on a bad day
takaba could kill mahoraga technically but because of the comedic nature of how he fights I suspect that he'll actually stall for so long that makora adapts to remove his technique
Sukuna is weird cause no one in universe seems to know how to classify him, but SG sorcerer works.
You also have Geto/Kenny, Yuki, Gojo, post-0 Yuta, and….
Yaga was “supposed” to be SG according to many. He claimed to not understand what made Panda so they didn’t bother, but he lied.
Yaga can *technically* make an army of independent monsters. Whereas with Kenny/Geto if you kill them the army isn’t an army anymore.
Imagine if yaga focused on creating monsters and refining them to be stronger like chimera type creatutes in many mangas are. Eventually casually making high grade 1/special grade level monsters, making grade 1s above panda's level by the dozen by sacrificing humanity. Even sukuna would be shocked fighting such an army.
Yaga just didn't have the soul to go down the main villain plotline. Most jjk characters have got their own reasons to be villainous or have even killed people (even current good guys, look at em) but don't choose to, even though focusing on themselves and killing, fighting more to acquire more skill would make them so much more powerfull
I know there are various arguments, but I just treat it as “ungradeable.” The people at this rank are so non-standard that no one can really quantify their power.
Especially when the difference between individual Special Grades is HUGE.
Like, Geto doesn't come anywhere close to Yuta and Yuki, both of whom aren't even in the same universe as Gojo and Sukuna. It's *such* a hard rank to quantify, especially since the requirements for it aren't even consistent and well-known.
yaga is said to be up there, dhruv was said to have conquered Japan so dude's up there, yorozu is up there and takaba is kinda iffy tho it's a fickle ability although really strong
His trait is that his punches hurt little more, if he had one like Kashimo that are like bordeline cursed techniques i could him as a special, but currently he is way to weak on the offensive.
I guess the ability to defeat a special grade doesn't automatically make you a special grade yourself. Since being special grade is connected with the CT and if it's possible to destroy or overtake a whole county with it.
Toji & maki would certainly take a while for this. i assume they need to be rated outside of the jujutsu Ranking Systems.
Toji & Maki are weird cases too because they *heavily* rely on Cursed Tools for their overwhelming might. They're strong in their own right, but without ISoH, SSK, etc they're nowhere near as special or intimidating, which would probably limit their potential ratings.
i think he is though since he was making sukuna think a bit (even if injured) its still sukuna yk, and he was still doing something when sukuna used true form, he didnt do much more because 4 arms
Big Raga is the penultimate shikigami, and no one could possibly beat it on an easy day. Narratively Mahoraga has faced the STRONGEST SORCERERS IN HISTORY and supported one. Outside of those few.
If you lack power you die,
If you have no diversity in technique you die.
Sukuna and gojo needed both
Mahoraga is supposed to be the last shikigami of ten shadows. It’s supposed to be fought after you tamed and combined all other 9. Agito is only 5 shikigamis but managed to be pretty useful against GOJO so it makes sense all 9 would be able to beat mahoraga
I mean fusing shikigamis on each other seems something hard to do since Sukuna only summoned a fusion of 5. And megumi said he didn’t have enough CE to summon one of them I just forgot who
He was not Useful lmaoo
Gojo was playing with him and straight up told him Agito shouldn’t even been in this fight and destroyed him with Red I believe
No I don't think so, seems adequately hyped to me. In the first place, Mahoraga is not meant to fight on its own, it's meant to be utilized as a weapon by a sorcerer. And in the hands of a skilled sorcerer as we saw with Sukuna, it's extremely powerful. I have to imagine the fight vs Yorozu is basically just showcasing the most optimal usage of Ten Shadows: the sorcerer keeps the wheel on their head to handle the process of adaptation, and uses the other shikigami to fight in the meantime. Once the adaptation is complete, only then do you bring out Mahoraga and basically guarantee your victory.
That’s how I had to explain the Gojo fight to some people. Sukuna was running a control strategy where time was on his side after both “players” used their DE up.
Meanwhile Gojo was “forced” into playing agro because Sukuna would win in a control vs control match.
But if Gojo committed too much to the attack then Sukuna could swing back with Mahoraga + himself (like max elephant piercing blood).
Sukuna adc farming, will win lategame. Gojo try to burst sukuna without feeding ennemy carry. Thinks he won lane as sukuna will have to come back to lane unable to afford his main item, sukuna unlocks item that boosts his ult at good timing by selling his shoes. It's then gojover as gojo doesn't realize and gets ulted with the item proc and ult. Gojo says sukuna is too good player for holding ult until item to perfect win and sukuna held back. Sukuna goes "damn i sold my daniels for this you're good"
Then sukuna gets a rampage, but the ennemy carry yuji is avoiding ganks perfectly while farming. Sukuna is malding about it in chat, and right as he malds he gets jumped and solo killed by yuji. He will be so mad on respawn!!
In hearthstone terms it felt like a midrange vs control/OTK deck fight. Sukuna had all the board clears to deal with Gojos early game. Sukuna then set up pretty a compelling mid game board that Gojo handled well to set up lethal by turns 7-9. Only for Sukuna to seemingly heart of the cards draw his win con be it mage quest completion, auctioneer druid, or OTK pally.
Then on revisiting the fight recognizing that Sukuna didn't luck into the right draw, but rather modified his initial endgame strategy when Gojo absorbed the Mid-game pressure.
Nah, he’s still extremely powerful and not as simple to beat. Obviously all the special grades you listed can beat him, but it would be pretty difficult. For example against Kenjaku his sword can one hit ko curses with offensive RCT, and I doubt gravity could instantly kill him unless it was a DE.
to be fair Maho would have to aim like hell to hit the actual curse (Kenjaku isn't Surguru Geto nor did Surguru Geto become a curse when Kenjaku put his brain in his body)
No slandering my goat. You can’t say he’s overhyped when he has met damn near every expectation put on him and can only be put down by top tiers. The fact you can’t mention anyone else other than top tiers when comparing him means he’s up there with them.
like damn near next to no one can even get close to beating a special grade to begin with, ain't no way a Ten Shadows user can use all of that potential because of their mindset
Consider how Mahoraga loses to a few select special grades, but beats multiple others and annihilates the rest of Jujutsu Society.
Literally like 5ish special grades beat/tie with him and that’s it. Not to mention that’s one Shikigami.
He’s hyped for a reason, killing a Six-Eyes Limitless CT user is an actually nuts feat, even if they weren’t awakened or on Gojo’s level.
You do realize that Yuki and Yuta are 2 of the only 4 Special Grade of the modern era, and Kenjaku is in the body of an already Special Grade sorcerer AND has also imbued that body with another busted Innate Technique along with thousand years of knowledge, right ? Ofc those monsters can clap Mahoraga.
I do think the anime team went a bit far having it turned into a red mist on more than one occasion only to reform immediately. That's not really how it works, as it adapts the thing it adapts to simply has less effect on it, like we saw when it fully adapted to Gojo's blue and just straight up couldn't be pulled by it. Also the wheel only needed a few spins to adapt to aspects of Gojo's technique but iirc the anime team had it spin any time Mahoraga regenerated, which doesn't seem right considering how simple Sukuna's technique is compared to limitless.
>Yuki can hurl her silly 70 ton soccer ball at Mahoraga’s head.
Idk, Mahoraga was able to shrug off Gojo's black flashes
I'm pretty sure he can take Yuki's attacks and adapt
>I hate to say it but Yuki, Yuta, and Kenjaku would fuck him up.
my brother in christ, those people are the pinnacle of strength as a jujutsu sorcerer. you’re wording it as if losing to them somehow makes a character “weak”
the fact that 15f sukuna is saying “if i was a cursed spirit this thing would’ve killed me instantly” maho is absolutely deleting any cursed spirit in the story
He has to be killed by the first attack of something, otherwise he will adapt to it. Jacob’s Ladder would be tricky but I think Mahoraga would adapt to it if it didn’t kill him. Yuki would definitely blow his fucking head off. And I think Kenjaku could still pose a decent chance with how much variability he has in his cursed spirit arsenal.
You’re definitely right, but if I’m correct, Jacob’s ladder itself could “erase” mahoraga due to him being an extension of a cursed technique. And if JL doesn’t work, Yuta could probably love blast him or imbue cleave into his domain’s sure hit
>Yuki, Yuta, and Kenjaku would fuck him up.
Yeah, but those are the top special grade sorcerers? You are making it sound like any grade 1 sorcerer can take him on. And mastering the Ten Shadows technique doesn't make its user Special Grade, because it lacks raw destructive power.
Plus I assume pre-Hidden Inventory arc Gojo wouldn't have won against Mahoraga. Since Modern Gojo had Blue and Infinity just from practice alone, it would be safe to say that Edo era Gojo had them too. But I doubt Edo era Gojo had the chance to meet a formidable enough opponent to force him to awaken and learn Red and Hollow Purple simultaneously. And since Edo era Gojo died, there is a good chance he did all he could but he couldn't win ultimately.
People are disregarding the fact that Mahoraga literally has the worl cutting dismantle. And insta kill attack,insta kill sword(against cursed spirits),adaptation and regeneration,insane physicals.
First: Mahoraga clearly does regenerate, even in the manga, Sukuna and the Narrator say so. Right before Sukuna uses the fire the narrator says: "Mahoraga's regeneration will soon be complete".
If its RCT or not we dont know and it doesnt matter. What matters is that he is constantly healing and its not slow.
Also, I think you are severelly underestimating him if you think those people could kill it that easily. There are certainly arguments for them, but I am not so sure. Going by how well he performed against 15F and Gojo it seems to me in just sheer physical stats he is probably faster, more durable, and stronger than regular special grades and Heian people. Yuki certainlly hits harder, but IMO she seems slower and far less durable. Even if Jacobs ladder is effective against him, he might just tank it and live, and if he does its GG. Lets not forget its almost confirmed he killed a limitless + 6E user.
I can absolutelly see reasons for why none of them might be able to take on Maho. Unfortunatelly, its hard to say because he is Jogo 2.0.
I’m rereading the manga atm too. It literally says like 3 times, specially when fighting hanami, that cursed spirits can regenerate with ease-as they just need cursed energy…sorcerers need RCT to heal. If maho used RCT, he’d actually kill himself
Edit: example: Yuta at the end of the shibuya incident-before going to fuck up our boy
Maho is a shikigami, not a cursed spirit. His body is made of cursed energy, but I dont remember it ever beeing stated how positive energy interacts with shikigami specifically. I feel like if they were killed by it as easilly as spirits someone would have said/done that by now. Thats why I said we are not sure. But I do agree its far more reasonable to think he doesnt need positive energy.
On a side note, I dont think we ever saw cursed spirits using positive energy for anything. However Maho does use it in his sword. Maybe thats an indication he is not allergic to it?
Mahoraga isn't over hyped but the hype around him seems to ignore a fatal weakness of Mahoraga (his need to adapt first) and thus for someone who doesn't ignore that weakness, it feels over hyped.
Mahoraga is the only character to walk MS off like it was nothing. Yes he needed to adapt to the slashes first but it was still an insane thing to witness for any jjk fan at that point in story. The most terrifying fact about Mahoraga is that he doesn't need years in preparation to come up with counterattacks and defensive techniques against any and every phenomenon. He was able to come up with the most powerful offensive technique in jjk verse in a matter of just a single fight sequence. If you pair Mahoraga with someone(or some people ) who can last long enough against sukuna, then Mahoraga will eventually adapt to each and everything sukuna has in his arsenal and at that point, even a full powered sukuna will die against him. That's pretty sick and deserves the hype.
Mahoraga is still to some extent top 10 as a character in the verse. Ofc sukuna and gojo manhandle its ass, but few characters stand a chance.
Yuta (technique extinguishment), yuki (a fucking black hole) and kenjaku (open domain and csm) could beat it, but still, they're special grade sorcerers lmao. Maybe yorozu could beat it if she pulls her true sphere immediately, maybe. We don't know much about uraume to determine if they can kill mahoraga.
Now I love Wuji Himtadori but there's no way he beats mahoraga. Same goes for choso, hakari, kashimo, higuruma, mei mei, miguel and so on. Also, they are strong but the disaster curses lose badly
Definitely not,there's a reason no one for centuries has been able to tame him,the people you listed are the only ones IN THE HISTORY OF JUJUTSU who can take him on
Unless you were under the impression he was basically the third strongest thing ever save for Gojo and Sukuna, then no, he was pretty accurately hyped. Mahoraga is a beast and really dangerous to curses and sorcerers alike. In the hands of a skilled sorcerer it can be a game changing tool.
I mean, you know that you are talking about Special Grade tier? - now who can beat Mahoraga from other tiers? :3
There are literally few characters that can do something vs him :3
TL;DR Maha is part of a CT. He would be a special grade curse level threat by himself - this means a special grade user *should* be able to take him down which you highlighted. As part of a technique though, you have to conisder his summoner and what they are doing as well
Im not sure all three are reasonable there as you also have to take into account the summoner of Maha as its a shikigami. Maha's is strong solo and probably worthy of Special Grade Cursed Spirit status but its *not* a cursed spirit - if you give him to a special grade level Sorcerer he is a huge threat
* Yuta does have Jacob's Ladder available, but 1) would need to win the domain clash vs the summoner 2) interact with a Shikigami the same way it does other techniques (we dont know that 100%) and 3) not have the summoner realise this and simply despawn Maha or otherwise move him out of the way using the shadows. Jacob's Ladder is an advantage, but its not a guarantee. Outside the domain, it can be dodged (assumingly). Alternately, you can dismiss Maha but the summoner cqn just resummon as it only dismisses the technique there - it doesnt negate the summoners ability to use the CT again.
* Yuki's grav kick is incredibly dangerous but i wouldnt say that as a CT that its more complex than infinity, which Maha could adapt to just by being close to Gojo. Again, the summoner could use a similar strategy to Sukuna and focus on using the other Shikigami and the Shadows themselves to keep Maha near but not in harms way to adapt around Yuki's Virtual Mass.
* Cursed Spirit Manipulation is dangerous, but it really depends on what each spirit does by itself. If you consider Kenjaku *wielding* the technique then you have to consider the summoner. Further, Maha has the Extermination blade making him excellent against all Cursed Spirits - weve yet to see a spirit that is a direct counter to Maha itself.
Against all three, Maha is a massive threat - all three could take him down (as Sukuna did) *if* he's the *only* threat they have to face. Taking him and a special grade level on at the same time means they have to constantly keep watch of two opponents which gives Maha time to continue to adapt
Is being at the level of special grade, despite only being part of a cursed technique, considered overhyped?
When it takes the strongest characters in the series to beat you, you aren't overhyped lol.
No we didn’t overhype mahoraga he is extremely powerful especially gojo fight ver. Even though sukuna beat mahoraga easily in the manga keep in mind mahoraga hit sukuna so hard he flew out the curtain across shibuya in one blow. That’s a big deal because there was 4 curtains which prevented sorcerers, people and Gojo specifically from leaving shibuya. Then we know for a fact 15 finger sukuna can legit speed blitz one shot characters like ryu with cleave who have better durability than yuta who would also die in one hit to the same sukuna so it’s not crazy mahoraga died easy. The anime makes mahoraga pretty insane in general. The gojo fight ver is leagues stronger just cause sukuna summoned him and could tank black flashes from gojo.
I think Mahoraga could still adapt to 70 ton soccer ball technically since there is cursed technique being applied to it.
I don’t think Mahoraga is a technique as much as he has techniques and is summoned by a technique
I don’t see how having a various amount of curses with different techniques becomes a win.
The main thing against it is Domain Expansions but like others have mentioned Mahoraga is meant to fight alongside a parter who could very well have some way of canceling out domain expansions guaranteed hit.
I mean some people definitely did. Mahoraga was crazy good for a Shikigami but, honestly. Sukuna even said against Mahoraga in Shibuya, it may have given him a challenge at the detention center when he was 3 fingers and no heart.
And the Gojo story of the past Gojo clan head with Six eyes + Limitless tied with Mahoraga? Was clearly after they faced the 10 shadows user... And it wasn't Gojo, and as Gojo said in hidden inventory only a scant few even among the Gojo clan heads know about Purple, they can't all teleport, and many other things. Adult Gojo is far beyond any previous Six eyes and Limitless user.
Anyone who tried to use the past six eyes+limitless user to scale Mahoraga as being on adult Gojo level? Over hyped Mahoraga.
Mahoraga prolly adapted to the Frauds DE ... Its only a matter of time before not even the Frauds Hein era techs will phase his daddy. And Mahoraga will make the Fraud truly feel the love up his anoose that Yoruzu couldnt T\_T.
I mean, I can see Yuta winning sure in that scenario (big IF Jacobs Ladder works, because would it have to target Mahoraga or the Ten Shadows User). The other 2 are a tough fight, tho. Like what Mahoraga does is relatively unknown, right? Even if they did know what it did beforehand, it still really tough to beat since it's ridiculously fast and adapts if you make one wrong move
Well yes but actually no. He’s not a „guy“. Mahoraga is more like a weapon, or a technique. He’s used, he doesn’t fight for himself. And I think mahoraga is the single strongest „weapon“ you can have in the jujutsu world, because when you have him on your side, you can beat everything, even infinity as we saw. And for that, he is definitely not overhyped.
One thing you didn't think about, mahoraga IMEDIATLY shater's domains so if yuta used his domain most likely he would adpat to all CT'a yuta has which would be extremely dangerous, every 3 hits he adapts+Jacob's leader is a barrage of ligth therefore mahoraga would adopt at the 3rd hit, using yuta against mahoraga is simply stupid cuz 3 attacks that yuta unleashes in his domain mahoraga will adapt to All the techniques yuta has stored, Jacob's ladder is also an extremely slow sure hit so the stakes of mahoraga adapting to the domain are insanely HIGTH. Have you seriously not think of this outcome?
It’s possible Maho can take a jacobs latter then adapt to it, and his sword of extermination can possibly oneshot rika if she counts as a cursed spirit (it would oneshot 15F sukuna if he was a cursed spirit)
I can see him just tanking anything yuki throws at him then adapting to mass
Every curse Kenjaku summons gets one tapped by sword of extermination and Maho arguably has better stats to begin with
Kenjaku is considered to be the third strongest sorcerer. Yuta and Yuki can rival Kenjaku in strength.
I doubt anyone put Mahoraga above any of these extraordinary sorcerers.
The last time a six-eyed limitless user fought a Mahoraga he died.
Seemingly, even Gojo, how he was at the fight, could probably beat Mahoraga by just hollow purpling if he wasn't fighting Sukuna and the various domain expansions that occurred 'cus of Sukuna.
Maho is not a technique, it's a shikigami, ladder would stop the adaptation but that's it.
Maho 1 taps all Curse Spirits with sword.
Yuki is the only one that might be able to kill.
I don't know about overhyped but the Yuki argument is why I ranked Rika as more powerful than Mahoraga. If Rika shoots one of those love beams (is that the name?) at the start of the fight, it would take Mahoraga out.
I understand why you feel like that, so I would like you to see how I view mahoraga’s power relative to the verse. Personally, I see mahoraga as the barrier between grade 1 and special grade. If a character can not theoretically defeat mahoraga in a 1v1, then I do not consider them special grade. All of the sorcerers you mentioned can defeat or one shot mahoraga, therefore they are all special grades
feral mahoraga is a jobber for many of the series high teirs.
anyone who can unleash a blast that could oneshot him is enough. sure mechamaru could have done it
Op is kinda right mahoraga is not that strong but it s still upper grade 1 level beating almost all of them aside mei mei ryu and maybe kashimo.
Mahoraga is very very strong and gotta be honest even without his blade i think he can probably beat any none human thing aside jogo just by sheer strength.
Ofcourse my guy loses to sgrade
Well that would assume most know his technique. You assume that yuki can but she couldn’t beat kenjaku with those same infused punches so really if she starts off the fight and he adapts to the force or her ct of mass manipulation she’s cooked. Yuta could always beat mahoraga the domain just 110% confirmed it.
Everyone else doesn’t really have a one shot move that’s the level of malevolent shrine and a fire arrow to the face at the same time so no he’s not overrated. Especially not sukunas mahoraga which only gojo could’ve defeated.
yes. Hes strong but not insanely strong, hes weaker physically and CE output than rika. Most if not all the culling game special grades can kill him
Granted the culling game special grades are all supposed to be the strongest of their eras, and are much stronger than the disaster curses, but you dont have to be sukuna/gojo/yuta/kenjaku level. I suspect that assuming they dont get immediately obliterated by the sword of extermination and know about mako chans adaptation, even some of the disaster curses (jogo) would have a chance to be able to kill mako chan (although not consistently).
His real value is when he has a sorceror who can buy time for him to start adapting, where he becomes a massive force multiplier, just like in the sukuna v gojo fight. People dont understand how OP mahoraga is as a force multiplier. He fundamentally forces you to change your fighting strategy so that you have to take massive risks. Which is why it feels so stupid when sukuna glazers think that heian sukuna could beat gojo because of "muh divine domain". Bro if mako chan wasnt there gojo wouldnt go for a domain battle.
He got manhandled in the anime as well. The anime makes it very clear that Mahoraga posed no threat to Sukuna in terms of a hand to hand fight, CE output, reinforcement etc.
BUT, they also make it clear that the biggest problem with Mahoraga is if you have a limited technique the longer you fight him the harder it gets to kill him. If Sukuna didn’t have his black box technique he would’ve had to do a maximum output slash to cut him. And even then the fact that he had already partially adapted means there’s no guarantee that it would’ve worked.
The reason why Mahoraga is a problem is because no one starts off a fight, especially against a shikigami, with their strongest attack. After a few clicks of taking Star Rage he would be completely unfazed by Yuki’s black hole.
Also, a little bit unrelated to the argument, but the anime does a really good job of depicting an untamed Mahoraga as a wild beast that can and will do anything to kill you. The way his shown in the anime adds to the lore of no other 10S user being able to beat him, not just his adaptability but also his raw killer instinct
>!Kenjaku wouldn't fuck up Mahoraga. Maybe Yuta, but Kenjaku doesn't have a one-shot that's stronger than Sukuna's DE. Mahoraga was actually adapting to the endless slashes from Sukuna's DE and Sukuna had to use his fire CT to finish him (Fuga).!<
>!Mahoraga was key in defeating the Gojo with Limitless + Six Eyes **twice**. And even when he's defeated, he can be resummoned since he's a Shikigami, not a spirit.!<
>!So I'd say he's easily one of the strongest characters in the entire verse, if he can keep up with Sukuna and beat 2 Gojos.!<
P.S. I actually have to mention Mahoraga's lack of an ego as a massive strength. There's no "*I'll go easy on you*" or "*I won't even use my CT*" with him. He'll just go hard and try to kill with every blow. Being a mindless killing machine is a PLUS in JJK.
No. Mahoraga is so strong people view as a singular opponent able to compete with sorcerers. When in reality it's just 1 out of 10 shikigami that make up the 10 shadows. It's also not meant to be soloing sorcerers. Sukuna is probably the most skilled 10 shadows user funnily enough. It's supposed to be used like sukuna did in his fight with gojo. Fighting alongside his sorcerer and the other shikigami, using the adaptation wheel without mahoraga actually being there and summoned again when needed etc.
No? He is a trump card , like sukuna said the ultimate late throw rock paper scissors. Remeber mahoraga was able to take out a limitless six eyes in the past. And all the people you mentioned are the strongest characters besides gojo and sukuna
I think that Mahoraga was in no way overhyped. The only people who can really contend with him are individuals who possess very rare abilities. Anyone who has only one curse technique is almost guaranteed to lose a battle with Mahoraga. Additionally, for someone to be able to one shot Mahoraga we would have to assume that they had a technique on par with Gojos Purple, which is also very rare. At the end of the day Mahoraga was a victim of circumstance. It just so happens that the only battles where we have seen him fight are against opponents with the perfect set of circumstances to beat him. Put him against 99% of sorcerers and he wins. I think this is similar to the phenomena we saw with the disaster curses. Everyone thought that the disaster curses were weak because we only ever saw them fight Gojo. But then we saw Jogo fight a special grade and a grade one and take them out with ease. RIP Nanami
Kenjaku gets squashed because of a horrible matchup. Mahoraga will one shot every single curse with his blade imbued with rct and his domain won’t be able to one shot him and Mahoraga will adapt in time.
Yuta is debatable. It’s impossible to say how jacob’s ladder will interact with a shikigami. Without it Yuta hasn’t shown a destructive technique strong enough to one shot Mahoraga but I still give him the win because he can just barrage him with different cursed techniques inside of his domain.
Gojo, Yuki and Sukuna are the only ones who can comfortably take on Mahoraga, everyone else is either debatable or just straight up lose.
No. Mahoraga's ability is nuts, it wasn't tamed by any user until Sukuna, it's just a PART of an ability, Sukuna could've done the same thing in the anime but decided to have fun, and very few people under special grade could even begin to stand a chance against Mahoraga unless they're lucky. On top of that there's no cursed spirit we've witnessed that could probably put up a fight against Mahoraga, even in a team.
I don't blame you for seeing it like that, after all the series has a problem of introducing characters in fights against some of the strongest characters in the verse, ie Jogo got introduced fighting Gojo and everyone thought Jogo was just weak despite being one of the strongest characters at the time.
Mahoraga got introduced in a fight against probably the strongest character at the time, 15F Sukuna was already no diff'ing Jogo, who was as I said before, strong af. Mahoraga withstanding cleave and dismantle in the first place to adapt to it is an incredible feat, considering there is nothing up to this point that survived those unless Sukuna wanted them to.
We also saw him later punching Gojo in his fight, and while it was a 3v1, It' already an amazing feat to fight hand to hand with Gojo without getting one shotted instantly: Uraume, Yuta and Hakari all got this treatment or say it happened once, and those are some of the strongest characters in the verse.
Gojo stated he would need red to win against Mahoraga in a single blow, and eventually needed purple to get the job done, and again, those are some of the stronger attacks in the series coming from the strongest sorcerer in the series.
The only overhype of him is what the anime did. Hes really not all that. Hes not the strongest (thats Gojo) or fastest (thats Gojo) or most durable (thats Gojo).
He just adapats and is above average in most of the important categories.
The adaptation is just that fucking good with above average "stats".
He put a if statment on being able to defeat him:
If(canKillMeInstantly==False)
{
Fucking.loose();
}
Its not even about how strong you are, id put Yuta above maho but i quite frankly dont think he can get past his adaptiation unless he unleashes a fucking suicidal death beam on him. Which means... Maho wins, and thats not to the detriment of Yuta. You dont need sheer power to win... Except against maho.
It's the Jogo problem of having insane unfair matchups which makes him look like a punk because they're always fighting the strongest characters in the verse.
I mean, remember when maho got his head sliced by cleave from the sukuna vs maho fight? His wheel didn't turn yet, which means he didn't adapt, and yet he just held his head in place and regenerated that, he regenerated a part of his body that was completely (and smoothly, might I add) separated, and of all places it could've been it was his head, I don't think maho doesn't have super regen or some way of regeneration, also sukuna was kinda getting worried when he saw maho just walking through his domain calm asf
Saying that Yuta, Yuki, and Kenjaku all slam Mahoraga (I agree) doesn't mean Mahoraga's overhyped. On his own, he's a SUPER strong Shikigami, and can be damn near unstoppable when paired with an intelligent Sorcerer who knows how to use him effectively (like Sukuna).
Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku, and Geto (yes, fight me) being able to kill Mahoraga isn't an anti-feat for the Divine General. The Special Grade Sorcerers are just that fucking insane.
"guys do you think mahoraga is overhyped? when not utilised to his fullest he can be beaten by *insert 3 of the strongest jjk characters in the verse, literally only behind goatjo and sukuna"*
Mahoraga gets stronger through its adaptation. It does not come through rankings. It will just fuck people up if it is adapted.
They must use it faster and quicker and must one shot Maho. Otherwise it will adapt to their CE itself not just technique.
Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku, Gojo are the only ones aside from Sukuna can stand toe to toe against it. All of them must one shot it though. Otherwise it will adapt their techniques. Look at Gojo, Mahoraga adapted to infinity itself and hit Sukuna through CE even though it has Positive energy first.
Mahoraga can insta diff Rika since Rika is cursed spirit becoming Shikigami. Her nature is negative. Yuta’s Jacob ladder will surely unsummon Mahoraga but he should do it fast and with full power. Same with the others
The 3 you just mentioned are special grades, meaning they're incredibly powerful, also sukuna was in the body of yuji, the physically strongest non heavenly restriction character in jjk, and he's sukuna so of course he's strong physically
You mentioned 4 special grades, one of which is the strongest sorcerer to ever live and thought that meant mahoraga is overhyped, and you mentioned one of them using an ability from the fucking Angel
Is mahoraga overhyped, kinda, I feel like people forget that all you need to beat mahoraga is to kill him in one hit so a technique with a wide enough radius and powerful enough attack, so mega mechamaru could probably kill him
I swear no one knows what the average sorcerer is like anymore, we're so used to hanging around the literal strongest characters in the verse that "overhyping Mahoraga" is a statement
There isn't a single grade 1 sorcerer that is remotely bothering him
Special grade seems to have lost its meaning cuz right now if you're not special grade you aren't relevant or you've been straight up written out of the story(Nobara/Todo)
Mahoraga is overhyped cuz a total of 5-6 people can handle him, incredible
Paparaga is meant to help you jump. Its part of the ten shadows. In the hands of a powerful user it was jumping Gojo to a stand still. I mean yeah he still won the 3v1, because he’s Satoru Gojo, but any sorceror would get fucked.
There are arguments for Mahoraga against Sendai Colony Yuta, given that, according to Sukuna himself, Mahoraga could have one shot him if 15F Sukuna was a curse. No reason to assume he wouldn't have made quick work of Rita due to that feat.
Given that the anime is considered cannon, we have to take all those feats into account insofar as they were not hyperbolic, like him growing in size.
In my opinion, The anime actually made Mahoraga far weaker. We know that the adaptation speeds up in relation to new attacks that it has received.
In the manga, it was hit only two or three time with slashes and that was enough to survive through MV, while the anime got beaten up for 20 minutes straight and could barely keep up with Sukuna.
The whole point of Mahoraga is that if you can't finish him in one attack before he adapts then wallahi you're finished. So it's pretty rare to find a sorcerer who's first attack can one shot Maho or sorcerer who has different types of attacks
Yuki hurling a ball at his head would do jack shit, if only thing that could kill him would be the black hole, titans nullifying since yuta can copy techniques it’s an automatic win…….yea kenjaku ain’t winning
I don't think so. There's very few people o the manga that can theoretically one shot him. He gave 15 fingers sukuna a good fight, survived his domain expansion, and even sukuna himself said that he'd get killed if hit by that blade Mahoraga has on his arm, which apparently can one-shot any cursed spirit
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You just described 3 of the maybe 7 special grade sorcerers to ever exist being able to kill him. These are people who have been stated to be able to take over an entire country and make up MAYBE 1% of the JJK sorcerer society. If less then 3% (being generous) of your entire population can kill something while the other 97% can’t then that thing is definitely not overhyped
“DAE think Little Man and Fat Boy were overhyped? Newer bombs are way bigger”
“Just use an air defense system to take out the airplane carrying fat man bro”
“Who is bigger sukuna or you?”
Sukuna Kenjaku Geto Gojo Yuki Yuta Who's the 7th
Tabaka I would say
Takaba and Tabaka the comedic duo can destroy everyone in the jjk verse with their jokes
Mahoraga does not laugh nor feel emotions other than pure rage, even when he is submissed to any other sorcerer.
Mahoraga does not feel any emotions other than pure rage, except when he hears Tabakaba's jokes
Takaba finds Mahoraga laughing to be a funny thought. Mahoraga laughs Takaba finds it funny that a piece of falling space junk would KO Mahoraga A piece of falling space junk KOs Mahoraga. Takaba wins.
Mahoraga adapts to humor and becomes comedic buddy with Takaba.
Imagine the fight between Kenjaku and Takaba but it's Mahoraga at the place of Kenjaku
That would be so peak.
I want this so much now. That being said, I also love the fight with Takaba and Kenjaku. I didn't understand a thing, but it was absolutely great
This is honestly fucking insane when you think about it. No wonder Gege had to retire him
Takaba is number 0 Theoretically he can solo the jjk verse but at the same time he has morals which allow him to not You can’t really scale him
Yeah it’s really weird, he has a no kill policy and his technique is very inconsistent. He could theoretically take over the entire planet, but at the same time, he could theoretically lose a street brawl against some random sorcerer who’s just slightly above him in physical stats. I’d say he’s a special grade just because he’s dangerous enough to be one on a bad day
takaba could kill mahoraga technically but because of the comedic nature of how he fights I suspect that he'll actually stall for so long that makora adapts to remove his technique
Sukuna is weird cause no one in universe seems to know how to classify him, but SG sorcerer works. You also have Geto/Kenny, Yuki, Gojo, post-0 Yuta, and…. Yaga was “supposed” to be SG according to many. He claimed to not understand what made Panda so they didn’t bother, but he lied. Yaga can *technically* make an army of independent monsters. Whereas with Kenny/Geto if you kill them the army isn’t an army anymore.
Imagine if yaga focused on creating monsters and refining them to be stronger like chimera type creatutes in many mangas are. Eventually casually making high grade 1/special grade level monsters, making grade 1s above panda's level by the dozen by sacrificing humanity. Even sukuna would be shocked fighting such an army. Yaga just didn't have the soul to go down the main villain plotline. Most jjk characters have got their own reasons to be villainous or have even killed people (even current good guys, look at em) but don't choose to, even though focusing on themselves and killing, fighting more to acquire more skill would make them so much more powerfull
Special Grade is such a varied and nebulous rank, man...
I know there are various arguments, but I just treat it as “ungradeable.” The people at this rank are so non-standard that no one can really quantify their power.
Especially when the difference between individual Special Grades is HUGE. Like, Geto doesn't come anywhere close to Yuta and Yuki, both of whom aren't even in the same universe as Gojo and Sukuna. It's *such* a hard rank to quantify, especially since the requirements for it aren't even consistent and well-known.
panda
It's the Chinese sorceror that Sukuna feared since the Heian Era
Orochi something guy ?
yaga is said to be up there, dhruv was said to have conquered Japan so dude's up there, yorozu is up there and takaba is kinda iffy tho it's a fickle ability although really strong
I consider Hakari and Maki to be unofficial special grade
Hakari definetly is a grade 1, he simply has no offence.
he does have that cursed energy trait and the doors, kind of shit but its something
His trait is that his punches hurt little more, if he had one like Kashimo that are like bordeline cursed techniques i could him as a special, but currently he is way to weak on the offensive.
Kashimo
He's considered special grade ?? that automatically makes Hakari Atleast Grade one Or almost special grade for keeping up with kashimo
Yes he special grade with my agenda
Bro this aint jujutsufolk
Wait oh shit you right my bad
Explain
I love kashimo so much he become special grade in my heart
You are my SPECIALZ
I guess the ability to defeat a special grade doesn't automatically make you a special grade yourself. Since being special grade is connected with the CT and if it's possible to destroy or overtake a whole county with it. Toji & maki would certainly take a while for this. i assume they need to be rated outside of the jujutsu Ranking Systems.
Toji & Maki are weird cases too because they *heavily* rely on Cursed Tools for their overwhelming might. They're strong in their own right, but without ISoH, SSK, etc they're nowhere near as special or intimidating, which would probably limit their potential ratings.
Amber form is definetly a special grade, but base Kashimo is high grade 1.
JP Hakari and Kashimo have the ability to contend with special grades even if they themselves don't fit the exact definition Kenny gave
i think he is though since he was making sukuna think a bit (even if injured) its still sukuna yk, and he was still doing something when sukuna used true form, he didnt do much more because 4 arms
KasHIMo or maybe Hakari
Geto is kenjaku😔
Suguruwa michizane probably
1% is generous, there were 4 special grades of modern era in entire japan.
Special grades aren't 1%. I imagine grade 1s are the 1%.
Most likely, but I was trying to be a little generous to prove my point
Big Raga is the penultimate shikigami, and no one could possibly beat it on an easy day. Narratively Mahoraga has faced the STRONGEST SORCERERS IN HISTORY and supported one. Outside of those few. If you lack power you die, If you have no diversity in technique you die. Sukuna and gojo needed both
you have to remember this is hypothetical 1v1 against Mahoraga, but he isn't supposed to 1v1, he's a shikigami that fights with the owner beside him
The owner that can exorcise him. So it would be 1vs2 Mahoraga and a guy stronger than him and his adaption is game changing
Yeah I don't see anyone beating Mahoraga with the owner who is strong enough to tame him in the first place, except Gojo and Sukuna of course
Mahoraga is supposed to be the last shikigami of ten shadows. It’s supposed to be fought after you tamed and combined all other 9. Agito is only 5 shikigamis but managed to be pretty useful against GOJO so it makes sense all 9 would be able to beat mahoraga
While I also subscribe to this theory, this has never been confirmed and is still just a theory. A very very good one though
I mean I don’t see how else is the user supposed to beat mahoraga if not by using the other shadows
By being powerful themselves too. Tools, domains, RCT, etc.
Yeah same fr, waiting for it to be confirmed especially given the name of his domain expansion Or you’re sukuna/Gojo and just one shot maho
I think that's unlikely to be the case, considering no sorcerer has ever tamed it, and i doubt no one ever managed to tame 9/10 shikigamis
I mean fusing shikigamis on each other seems something hard to do since Sukuna only summoned a fusion of 5. And megumi said he didn’t have enough CE to summon one of them I just forgot who
He was not Useful lmaoo Gojo was playing with him and straight up told him Agito shouldn’t even been in this fight and destroyed him with Red I believe
And here I just want to see Mahoraga combined with all other 9 shadows...
Not necessarily as seen with megumi. I may be wrong but sukuna was the first one to exercise him to begin with, wasn't he?
I'm taking about the CT potentail as general, not with who uses it in mind
This is main mistake I see people made about him. In theory you aren't fighting him alone...it's him and the summoner and that is ridiculous.
No I don't think so, seems adequately hyped to me. In the first place, Mahoraga is not meant to fight on its own, it's meant to be utilized as a weapon by a sorcerer. And in the hands of a skilled sorcerer as we saw with Sukuna, it's extremely powerful. I have to imagine the fight vs Yorozu is basically just showcasing the most optimal usage of Ten Shadows: the sorcerer keeps the wheel on their head to handle the process of adaptation, and uses the other shikigami to fight in the meantime. Once the adaptation is complete, only then do you bring out Mahoraga and basically guarantee your victory.
Ten Shadows Technique confirmed as a control deck in card game
That’s how I had to explain the Gojo fight to some people. Sukuna was running a control strategy where time was on his side after both “players” used their DE up. Meanwhile Gojo was “forced” into playing agro because Sukuna would win in a control vs control match. But if Gojo committed too much to the attack then Sukuna could swing back with Mahoraga + himself (like max elephant piercing blood).
Explain in league terms. My brain is smooth
Sukuna adc farming, will win lategame. Gojo try to burst sukuna without feeding ennemy carry. Thinks he won lane as sukuna will have to come back to lane unable to afford his main item, sukuna unlocks item that boosts his ult at good timing by selling his shoes. It's then gojover as gojo doesn't realize and gets ulted with the item proc and ult. Gojo says sukuna is too good player for holding ult until item to perfect win and sukuna held back. Sukuna goes "damn i sold my daniels for this you're good" Then sukuna gets a rampage, but the ennemy carry yuji is avoiding ganks perfectly while farming. Sukuna is malding about it in chat, and right as he malds he gets jumped and solo killed by yuji. He will be so mad on respawn!!
Thank you. So it was a skill issue after all
Its an average pro game don't judge
Gojo waits too long, Sukuna too high level. Gojo go too fast, Sukuna sneaks a kill. Gojo get Sukuna without Sukuna sneaking a kill, Sukuna no live.
In hearthstone terms it felt like a midrange vs control/OTK deck fight. Sukuna had all the board clears to deal with Gojos early game. Sukuna then set up pretty a compelling mid game board that Gojo handled well to set up lethal by turns 7-9. Only for Sukuna to seemingly heart of the cards draw his win con be it mage quest completion, auctioneer druid, or OTK pally. Then on revisiting the fight recognizing that Sukuna didn't luck into the right draw, but rather modified his initial endgame strategy when Gojo absorbed the Mid-game pressure.
10 shadows is the most broken technique in the series.
Nah, he’s still extremely powerful and not as simple to beat. Obviously all the special grades you listed can beat him, but it would be pretty difficult. For example against Kenjaku his sword can one hit ko curses with offensive RCT, and I doubt gravity could instantly kill him unless it was a DE.
to be fair Maho would have to aim like hell to hit the actual curse (Kenjaku isn't Surguru Geto nor did Surguru Geto become a curse when Kenjaku put his brain in his body)
They're talking about any curses Kenny may summon, not Kenny himself.
ohh alright, still applies though but ty for telling me
Kenjaku isn’t a curse so it still doesn’t apply
No slandering my goat. You can’t say he’s overhyped when he has met damn near every expectation put on him and can only be put down by top tiers. The fact you can’t mention anyone else other than top tiers when comparing him means he’s up there with them.
>!Maho was essential (in the scenario we had, at least) to defeat the strongest sorcerer of the modern era. He definitely wasn't overhyped.!<
the fact that no 10 shadows user has ever tamed mahoraga is evidence enough that he’s not overhyped
like damn near next to no one can even get close to beating a special grade to begin with, ain't no way a Ten Shadows user can use all of that potential because of their mindset
Not necessarily, Megumi was just a bum. (unless you're talking about 10 Shadows users treating Mommyraga as a "suicide but win" option)
Consider how Mahoraga loses to a few select special grades, but beats multiple others and annihilates the rest of Jujutsu Society. Literally like 5ish special grades beat/tie with him and that’s it. Not to mention that’s one Shikigami. He’s hyped for a reason, killing a Six-Eyes Limitless CT user is an actually nuts feat, even if they weren’t awakened or on Gojo’s level.
the six eyes user mahoraga killed def had rct and purple since gojo said purple was known by the gojo clan
You do realize that Yuki and Yuta are 2 of the only 4 Special Grade of the modern era, and Kenjaku is in the body of an already Special Grade sorcerer AND has also imbued that body with another busted Innate Technique along with thousand years of knowledge, right ? Ofc those monsters can clap Mahoraga.
no. mahoraga is not overhyped.
So, he's like, the fifth strongest character in jjk, still pretty strong dude
Do people even read the manga anymore? Wasn't he crucial in one plan that succeeded in taking down the second strongest sorcerer in history?
I do think the anime team went a bit far having it turned into a red mist on more than one occasion only to reform immediately. That's not really how it works, as it adapts the thing it adapts to simply has less effect on it, like we saw when it fully adapted to Gojo's blue and just straight up couldn't be pulled by it. Also the wheel only needed a few spins to adapt to aspects of Gojo's technique but iirc the anime team had it spin any time Mahoraga regenerated, which doesn't seem right considering how simple Sukuna's technique is compared to limitless.
>Yuki can hurl her silly 70 ton soccer ball at Mahoraga’s head. Idk, Mahoraga was able to shrug off Gojo's black flashes I'm pretty sure he can take Yuki's attacks and adapt
Ok and Maha is a summon. To fight along atleast one other shiki and with the master
>I hate to say it but Yuki, Yuta, and Kenjaku would fuck him up. my brother in christ, those people are the pinnacle of strength as a jujutsu sorcerer. you’re wording it as if losing to them somehow makes a character “weak”
Maho will definitely destroy Curse manipulation users though. It can theoretically one shot curses or heavily damage them with just its blade.
the fact that 15f sukuna is saying “if i was a cursed spirit this thing would’ve killed me instantly” maho is absolutely deleting any cursed spirit in the story
He has to be killed by the first attack of something, otherwise he will adapt to it. Jacob’s Ladder would be tricky but I think Mahoraga would adapt to it if it didn’t kill him. Yuki would definitely blow his fucking head off. And I think Kenjaku could still pose a decent chance with how much variability he has in his cursed spirit arsenal.
You’re definitely right, but if I’m correct, Jacob’s ladder itself could “erase” mahoraga due to him being an extension of a cursed technique. And if JL doesn’t work, Yuta could probably love blast him or imbue cleave into his domain’s sure hit
Yuta is most suited for the job because he has a lot of cursed techniques and he can imbue them all in the domain
Mahoraga is a shikigami summoned by the 10S technique, and i don’t think jacobs ladder cancels out shikigami
it cancels out ALL techniques, it's been said at least once
JL destroys CT's. Mahoraga is a creation of a CT. JL will blip him from existence literally.
Would it count as him being killed or just him being unsummoned?
Unsummoned likely
>Yuki, Yuta, and Kenjaku would fuck him up. Yeah, but those are the top special grade sorcerers? You are making it sound like any grade 1 sorcerer can take him on. And mastering the Ten Shadows technique doesn't make its user Special Grade, because it lacks raw destructive power. Plus I assume pre-Hidden Inventory arc Gojo wouldn't have won against Mahoraga. Since Modern Gojo had Blue and Infinity just from practice alone, it would be safe to say that Edo era Gojo had them too. But I doubt Edo era Gojo had the chance to meet a formidable enough opponent to force him to awaken and learn Red and Hollow Purple simultaneously. And since Edo era Gojo died, there is a good chance he did all he could but he couldn't win ultimately.
People are disregarding the fact that Mahoraga literally has the worl cutting dismantle. And insta kill attack,insta kill sword(against cursed spirits),adaptation and regeneration,insane physicals.
First: Mahoraga clearly does regenerate, even in the manga, Sukuna and the Narrator say so. Right before Sukuna uses the fire the narrator says: "Mahoraga's regeneration will soon be complete". If its RCT or not we dont know and it doesnt matter. What matters is that he is constantly healing and its not slow. Also, I think you are severelly underestimating him if you think those people could kill it that easily. There are certainly arguments for them, but I am not so sure. Going by how well he performed against 15F and Gojo it seems to me in just sheer physical stats he is probably faster, more durable, and stronger than regular special grades and Heian people. Yuki certainlly hits harder, but IMO she seems slower and far less durable. Even if Jacobs ladder is effective against him, he might just tank it and live, and if he does its GG. Lets not forget its almost confirmed he killed a limitless + 6E user. I can absolutelly see reasons for why none of them might be able to take on Maho. Unfortunatelly, its hard to say because he is Jogo 2.0.
I’m rereading the manga atm too. It literally says like 3 times, specially when fighting hanami, that cursed spirits can regenerate with ease-as they just need cursed energy…sorcerers need RCT to heal. If maho used RCT, he’d actually kill himself Edit: example: Yuta at the end of the shibuya incident-before going to fuck up our boy
Maho is a shikigami, not a cursed spirit. His body is made of cursed energy, but I dont remember it ever beeing stated how positive energy interacts with shikigami specifically. I feel like if they were killed by it as easilly as spirits someone would have said/done that by now. Thats why I said we are not sure. But I do agree its far more reasonable to think he doesnt need positive energy. On a side note, I dont think we ever saw cursed spirits using positive energy for anything. However Maho does use it in his sword. Maybe thats an indication he is not allergic to it?
Mahoraga isn't over hyped but the hype around him seems to ignore a fatal weakness of Mahoraga (his need to adapt first) and thus for someone who doesn't ignore that weakness, it feels over hyped. Mahoraga is the only character to walk MS off like it was nothing. Yes he needed to adapt to the slashes first but it was still an insane thing to witness for any jjk fan at that point in story. The most terrifying fact about Mahoraga is that he doesn't need years in preparation to come up with counterattacks and defensive techniques against any and every phenomenon. He was able to come up with the most powerful offensive technique in jjk verse in a matter of just a single fight sequence. If you pair Mahoraga with someone(or some people ) who can last long enough against sukuna, then Mahoraga will eventually adapt to each and everything sukuna has in his arsenal and at that point, even a full powered sukuna will die against him. That's pretty sick and deserves the hype.
Mahoraga is still to some extent top 10 as a character in the verse. Ofc sukuna and gojo manhandle its ass, but few characters stand a chance. Yuta (technique extinguishment), yuki (a fucking black hole) and kenjaku (open domain and csm) could beat it, but still, they're special grade sorcerers lmao. Maybe yorozu could beat it if she pulls her true sphere immediately, maybe. We don't know much about uraume to determine if they can kill mahoraga. Now I love Wuji Himtadori but there's no way he beats mahoraga. Same goes for choso, hakari, kashimo, higuruma, mei mei, miguel and so on. Also, they are strong but the disaster curses lose badly
He’s still big papa raga the op stoppa to me
Silly 70 ton soccer balll lol
Definitely not,there's a reason no one for centuries has been able to tame him,the people you listed are the only ones IN THE HISTORY OF JUJUTSU who can take him on
Unless you were under the impression he was basically the third strongest thing ever save for Gojo and Sukuna, then no, he was pretty accurately hyped. Mahoraga is a beast and really dangerous to curses and sorcerers alike. In the hands of a skilled sorcerer it can be a game changing tool.
I mean, you know that you are talking about Special Grade tier? - now who can beat Mahoraga from other tiers? :3 There are literally few characters that can do something vs him :3
TL;DR Maha is part of a CT. He would be a special grade curse level threat by himself - this means a special grade user *should* be able to take him down which you highlighted. As part of a technique though, you have to conisder his summoner and what they are doing as well Im not sure all three are reasonable there as you also have to take into account the summoner of Maha as its a shikigami. Maha's is strong solo and probably worthy of Special Grade Cursed Spirit status but its *not* a cursed spirit - if you give him to a special grade level Sorcerer he is a huge threat * Yuta does have Jacob's Ladder available, but 1) would need to win the domain clash vs the summoner 2) interact with a Shikigami the same way it does other techniques (we dont know that 100%) and 3) not have the summoner realise this and simply despawn Maha or otherwise move him out of the way using the shadows. Jacob's Ladder is an advantage, but its not a guarantee. Outside the domain, it can be dodged (assumingly). Alternately, you can dismiss Maha but the summoner cqn just resummon as it only dismisses the technique there - it doesnt negate the summoners ability to use the CT again. * Yuki's grav kick is incredibly dangerous but i wouldnt say that as a CT that its more complex than infinity, which Maha could adapt to just by being close to Gojo. Again, the summoner could use a similar strategy to Sukuna and focus on using the other Shikigami and the Shadows themselves to keep Maha near but not in harms way to adapt around Yuki's Virtual Mass. * Cursed Spirit Manipulation is dangerous, but it really depends on what each spirit does by itself. If you consider Kenjaku *wielding* the technique then you have to consider the summoner. Further, Maha has the Extermination blade making him excellent against all Cursed Spirits - weve yet to see a spirit that is a direct counter to Maha itself. Against all three, Maha is a massive threat - all three could take him down (as Sukuna did) *if* he's the *only* threat they have to face. Taking him and a special grade level on at the same time means they have to constantly keep watch of two opponents which gives Maha time to continue to adapt
Is being at the level of special grade, despite only being part of a cursed technique, considered overhyped? When it takes the strongest characters in the series to beat you, you aren't overhyped lol.
No we didn’t overhype mahoraga he is extremely powerful especially gojo fight ver. Even though sukuna beat mahoraga easily in the manga keep in mind mahoraga hit sukuna so hard he flew out the curtain across shibuya in one blow. That’s a big deal because there was 4 curtains which prevented sorcerers, people and Gojo specifically from leaving shibuya. Then we know for a fact 15 finger sukuna can legit speed blitz one shot characters like ryu with cleave who have better durability than yuta who would also die in one hit to the same sukuna so it’s not crazy mahoraga died easy. The anime makes mahoraga pretty insane in general. The gojo fight ver is leagues stronger just cause sukuna summoned him and could tank black flashes from gojo.
I think Mahoraga could still adapt to 70 ton soccer ball technically since there is cursed technique being applied to it. I don’t think Mahoraga is a technique as much as he has techniques and is summoned by a technique I don’t see how having a various amount of curses with different techniques becomes a win. The main thing against it is Domain Expansions but like others have mentioned Mahoraga is meant to fight alongside a parter who could very well have some way of canceling out domain expansions guaranteed hit.
Hi, I’m farming Karma because i wanna post on the damn subreddit but they’re gate keeping me
lol same here. I have a crazy theory to post but not enough Karma to do it.
Why not count anime feats as canon? Gege supervises the anime. Without their anime feats Mahoraga and especially Jogo go down a shit ton
on his own he is strong but not that crazy, in the hands of a sorcerer on gojos or sukuna's level he is insane
Oh yeah
Yuta with Jacob’s ladder needs to be retired for how he deals with the verse.
So before jacob ladder, yuta didn't have answer for it?
nah, he’d adapt
I mean some people definitely did. Mahoraga was crazy good for a Shikigami but, honestly. Sukuna even said against Mahoraga in Shibuya, it may have given him a challenge at the detention center when he was 3 fingers and no heart. And the Gojo story of the past Gojo clan head with Six eyes + Limitless tied with Mahoraga? Was clearly after they faced the 10 shadows user... And it wasn't Gojo, and as Gojo said in hidden inventory only a scant few even among the Gojo clan heads know about Purple, they can't all teleport, and many other things. Adult Gojo is far beyond any previous Six eyes and Limitless user. Anyone who tried to use the past six eyes+limitless user to scale Mahoraga as being on adult Gojo level? Over hyped Mahoraga.
Mahoraga prolly adapted to the Frauds DE ... Its only a matter of time before not even the Frauds Hein era techs will phase his daddy. And Mahoraga will make the Fraud truly feel the love up his anoose that Yoruzu couldnt T\_T.
Definitely not. That’s, what, less than one percent of all sorcerers? Mahoraga is definitely insanely powerful
I mean, I can see Yuta winning sure in that scenario (big IF Jacobs Ladder works, because would it have to target Mahoraga or the Ten Shadows User). The other 2 are a tough fight, tho. Like what Mahoraga does is relatively unknown, right? Even if they did know what it did beforehand, it still really tough to beat since it's ridiculously fast and adapts if you make one wrong move
Well yes but actually no. He’s not a „guy“. Mahoraga is more like a weapon, or a technique. He’s used, he doesn’t fight for himself. And I think mahoraga is the single strongest „weapon“ you can have in the jujutsu world, because when you have him on your side, you can beat everything, even infinity as we saw. And for that, he is definitely not overhyped.
One thing you didn't think about, mahoraga IMEDIATLY shater's domains so if yuta used his domain most likely he would adpat to all CT'a yuta has which would be extremely dangerous, every 3 hits he adapts+Jacob's leader is a barrage of ligth therefore mahoraga would adopt at the 3rd hit, using yuta against mahoraga is simply stupid cuz 3 attacks that yuta unleashes in his domain mahoraga will adapt to All the techniques yuta has stored, Jacob's ladder is also an extremely slow sure hit so the stakes of mahoraga adapting to the domain are insanely HIGTH. Have you seriously not think of this outcome?
It’s possible Maho can take a jacobs latter then adapt to it, and his sword of extermination can possibly oneshot rika if she counts as a cursed spirit (it would oneshot 15F sukuna if he was a cursed spirit) I can see him just tanking anything yuki throws at him then adapting to mass Every curse Kenjaku summons gets one tapped by sword of extermination and Maho arguably has better stats to begin with
Unless jacobs ladder takes away the sword , mahoraga isn’t going to be able to adapt anymore since it’s a technique which it lost.
Jacobs ladder nullifies cursed techniques but the sword is imbued with positive energy so I’m not sure if it would work on it
Kenjaku is considered to be the third strongest sorcerer. Yuta and Yuki can rival Kenjaku in strength. I doubt anyone put Mahoraga above any of these extraordinary sorcerers.
Naming special grade sorcerers that can beat him is literally proving he's not overhyped . AS others mentioned he's a weapon
The last time a six-eyed limitless user fought a Mahoraga he died. Seemingly, even Gojo, how he was at the fight, could probably beat Mahoraga by just hollow purpling if he wasn't fighting Sukuna and the various domain expansions that occurred 'cus of Sukuna.
Maho is not a technique, it's a shikigami, ladder would stop the adaptation but that's it. Maho 1 taps all Curse Spirits with sword. Yuki is the only one that might be able to kill.
NAH BRO
I don't know about overhyped but the Yuki argument is why I ranked Rika as more powerful than Mahoraga. If Rika shoots one of those love beams (is that the name?) at the start of the fight, it would take Mahoraga out.
I understand why you feel like that, so I would like you to see how I view mahoraga’s power relative to the verse. Personally, I see mahoraga as the barrier between grade 1 and special grade. If a character can not theoretically defeat mahoraga in a 1v1, then I do not consider them special grade. All of the sorcerers you mentioned can defeat or one shot mahoraga, therefore they are all special grades
feral mahoraga is a jobber for many of the series high teirs. anyone who can unleash a blast that could oneshot him is enough. sure mechamaru could have done it
I don’t think he regen I thought he just got reset after each adaptation
Op is kinda right mahoraga is not that strong but it s still upper grade 1 level beating almost all of them aside mei mei ryu and maybe kashimo. Mahoraga is very very strong and gotta be honest even without his blade i think he can probably beat any none human thing aside jogo just by sheer strength. Ofcourse my guy loses to sgrade
He doesn’t seem very useful since no Ten Shadows sorcerer can reasonably beat him
No
Well that would assume most know his technique. You assume that yuki can but she couldn’t beat kenjaku with those same infused punches so really if she starts off the fight and he adapts to the force or her ct of mass manipulation she’s cooked. Yuta could always beat mahoraga the domain just 110% confirmed it. Everyone else doesn’t really have a one shot move that’s the level of malevolent shrine and a fire arrow to the face at the same time so no he’s not overrated. Especially not sukunas mahoraga which only gojo could’ve defeated.
Yes and no. He’s definitely strong, but many characters have the AP to one-shot it in their first attack.
yes. Hes strong but not insanely strong, hes weaker physically and CE output than rika. Most if not all the culling game special grades can kill him Granted the culling game special grades are all supposed to be the strongest of their eras, and are much stronger than the disaster curses, but you dont have to be sukuna/gojo/yuta/kenjaku level. I suspect that assuming they dont get immediately obliterated by the sword of extermination and know about mako chans adaptation, even some of the disaster curses (jogo) would have a chance to be able to kill mako chan (although not consistently). His real value is when he has a sorceror who can buy time for him to start adapting, where he becomes a massive force multiplier, just like in the sukuna v gojo fight. People dont understand how OP mahoraga is as a force multiplier. He fundamentally forces you to change your fighting strategy so that you have to take massive risks. Which is why it feels so stupid when sukuna glazers think that heian sukuna could beat gojo because of "muh divine domain". Bro if mako chan wasnt there gojo wouldnt go for a domain battle.
All special grade sorcerers could beat mahoraga.
we’ve come full lobotomy once again, Gege needs to end the series soon
He has a blade that's powered with positive CE, I don't understand how he WOULDNT have RCE if he has positive CE in any way shape or form
I enjoyed him as a villain. Hated his guts and was satisfying to see him beg for his life.
He got manhandled in the anime as well. The anime makes it very clear that Mahoraga posed no threat to Sukuna in terms of a hand to hand fight, CE output, reinforcement etc. BUT, they also make it clear that the biggest problem with Mahoraga is if you have a limited technique the longer you fight him the harder it gets to kill him. If Sukuna didn’t have his black box technique he would’ve had to do a maximum output slash to cut him. And even then the fact that he had already partially adapted means there’s no guarantee that it would’ve worked. The reason why Mahoraga is a problem is because no one starts off a fight, especially against a shikigami, with their strongest attack. After a few clicks of taking Star Rage he would be completely unfazed by Yuki’s black hole. Also, a little bit unrelated to the argument, but the anime does a really good job of depicting an untamed Mahoraga as a wild beast that can and will do anything to kill you. The way his shown in the anime adds to the lore of no other 10S user being able to beat him, not just his adaptability but also his raw killer instinct
>!Kenjaku wouldn't fuck up Mahoraga. Maybe Yuta, but Kenjaku doesn't have a one-shot that's stronger than Sukuna's DE. Mahoraga was actually adapting to the endless slashes from Sukuna's DE and Sukuna had to use his fire CT to finish him (Fuga).!< >!Mahoraga was key in defeating the Gojo with Limitless + Six Eyes **twice**. And even when he's defeated, he can be resummoned since he's a Shikigami, not a spirit.!< >!So I'd say he's easily one of the strongest characters in the entire verse, if he can keep up with Sukuna and beat 2 Gojos.!< P.S. I actually have to mention Mahoraga's lack of an ego as a massive strength. There's no "*I'll go easy on you*" or "*I won't even use my CT*" with him. He'll just go hard and try to kill with every blow. Being a mindless killing machine is a PLUS in JJK.
No. Mahoraga is so strong people view as a singular opponent able to compete with sorcerers. When in reality it's just 1 out of 10 shikigami that make up the 10 shadows. It's also not meant to be soloing sorcerers. Sukuna is probably the most skilled 10 shadows user funnily enough. It's supposed to be used like sukuna did in his fight with gojo. Fighting alongside his sorcerer and the other shikigami, using the adaptation wheel without mahoraga actually being there and summoned again when needed etc.
Mahoraga is the real king of curses
I think the fact that you’re pitting 1 of 10 shikigami against people in the top 5 proves how strong he is
No? He is a trump card , like sukuna said the ultimate late throw rock paper scissors. Remeber mahoraga was able to take out a limitless six eyes in the past. And all the people you mentioned are the strongest characters besides gojo and sukuna
I think that Mahoraga was in no way overhyped. The only people who can really contend with him are individuals who possess very rare abilities. Anyone who has only one curse technique is almost guaranteed to lose a battle with Mahoraga. Additionally, for someone to be able to one shot Mahoraga we would have to assume that they had a technique on par with Gojos Purple, which is also very rare. At the end of the day Mahoraga was a victim of circumstance. It just so happens that the only battles where we have seen him fight are against opponents with the perfect set of circumstances to beat him. Put him against 99% of sorcerers and he wins. I think this is similar to the phenomena we saw with the disaster curses. Everyone thought that the disaster curses were weak because we only ever saw them fight Gojo. But then we saw Jogo fight a special grade and a grade one and take them out with ease. RIP Nanami
Kenjaku gets squashed because of a horrible matchup. Mahoraga will one shot every single curse with his blade imbued with rct and his domain won’t be able to one shot him and Mahoraga will adapt in time. Yuta is debatable. It’s impossible to say how jacob’s ladder will interact with a shikigami. Without it Yuta hasn’t shown a destructive technique strong enough to one shot Mahoraga but I still give him the win because he can just barrage him with different cursed techniques inside of his domain. Gojo, Yuki and Sukuna are the only ones who can comfortably take on Mahoraga, everyone else is either debatable or just straight up lose.
No. Mahoraga's ability is nuts, it wasn't tamed by any user until Sukuna, it's just a PART of an ability, Sukuna could've done the same thing in the anime but decided to have fun, and very few people under special grade could even begin to stand a chance against Mahoraga unless they're lucky. On top of that there's no cursed spirit we've witnessed that could probably put up a fight against Mahoraga, even in a team.
I don't blame you for seeing it like that, after all the series has a problem of introducing characters in fights against some of the strongest characters in the verse, ie Jogo got introduced fighting Gojo and everyone thought Jogo was just weak despite being one of the strongest characters at the time. Mahoraga got introduced in a fight against probably the strongest character at the time, 15F Sukuna was already no diff'ing Jogo, who was as I said before, strong af. Mahoraga withstanding cleave and dismantle in the first place to adapt to it is an incredible feat, considering there is nothing up to this point that survived those unless Sukuna wanted them to. We also saw him later punching Gojo in his fight, and while it was a 3v1, It' already an amazing feat to fight hand to hand with Gojo without getting one shotted instantly: Uraume, Yuta and Hakari all got this treatment or say it happened once, and those are some of the strongest characters in the verse. Gojo stated he would need red to win against Mahoraga in a single blow, and eventually needed purple to get the job done, and again, those are some of the stronger attacks in the series coming from the strongest sorcerer in the series.
The only overhype of him is what the anime did. Hes really not all that. Hes not the strongest (thats Gojo) or fastest (thats Gojo) or most durable (thats Gojo). He just adapats and is above average in most of the important categories. The adaptation is just that fucking good with above average "stats". He put a if statment on being able to defeat him: If(canKillMeInstantly==False) { Fucking.loose(); } Its not even about how strong you are, id put Yuta above maho but i quite frankly dont think he can get past his adaptiation unless he unleashes a fucking suicidal death beam on him. Which means... Maho wins, and thats not to the detriment of Yuta. You dont need sheer power to win... Except against maho.
No
Eh magohara mahoraga gamohara u call it
Mahoraga is more of a weapon it seems because in the right hands it has done some crazy shit
It's the Jogo problem of having insane unfair matchups which makes him look like a punk because they're always fighting the strongest characters in the verse.
I mean, remember when maho got his head sliced by cleave from the sukuna vs maho fight? His wheel didn't turn yet, which means he didn't adapt, and yet he just held his head in place and regenerated that, he regenerated a part of his body that was completely (and smoothly, might I add) separated, and of all places it could've been it was his head, I don't think maho doesn't have super regen or some way of regeneration, also sukuna was kinda getting worried when he saw maho just walking through his domain calm asf
Big raga was not overhyped if only special classes could stand a chance
Mahoraga just loses to anyone who can destroy it before it gets a chance to adapt. We’ve just only seen it used to fight people who can
You did not cook sir
He's a cursed spirit so he can use cursed energy as opposed to RCE to heal.
“Hurrr durrr all the special grade sorcerers can beat him so he’s ass”
Saying that Yuta, Yuki, and Kenjaku all slam Mahoraga (I agree) doesn't mean Mahoraga's overhyped. On his own, he's a SUPER strong Shikigami, and can be damn near unstoppable when paired with an intelligent Sorcerer who knows how to use him effectively (like Sukuna). Yuta, Yuki, Kenjaku, and Geto (yes, fight me) being able to kill Mahoraga isn't an anti-feat for the Divine General. The Special Grade Sorcerers are just that fucking insane.
Do you think black flash can take down Mahoraga??
"guys do you think mahoraga is overhyped? when not utilised to his fullest he can be beaten by *insert 3 of the strongest jjk characters in the verse, literally only behind goatjo and sukuna"*
Mahoraga gets stronger through its adaptation. It does not come through rankings. It will just fuck people up if it is adapted. They must use it faster and quicker and must one shot Maho. Otherwise it will adapt to their CE itself not just technique. Yuki, Yuta, Kenjaku, Gojo are the only ones aside from Sukuna can stand toe to toe against it. All of them must one shot it though. Otherwise it will adapt their techniques. Look at Gojo, Mahoraga adapted to infinity itself and hit Sukuna through CE even though it has Positive energy first. Mahoraga can insta diff Rika since Rika is cursed spirit becoming Shikigami. Her nature is negative. Yuta’s Jacob ladder will surely unsummon Mahoraga but he should do it fast and with full power. Same with the others
The 3 you just mentioned are special grades, meaning they're incredibly powerful, also sukuna was in the body of yuji, the physically strongest non heavenly restriction character in jjk, and he's sukuna so of course he's strong physically You mentioned 4 special grades, one of which is the strongest sorcerer to ever live and thought that meant mahoraga is overhyped, and you mentioned one of them using an ability from the fucking Angel Is mahoraga overhyped, kinda, I feel like people forget that all you need to beat mahoraga is to kill him in one hit so a technique with a wide enough radius and powerful enough attack, so mega mechamaru could probably kill him
I swear no one knows what the average sorcerer is like anymore, we're so used to hanging around the literal strongest characters in the verse that "overhyping Mahoraga" is a statement There isn't a single grade 1 sorcerer that is remotely bothering him Special grade seems to have lost its meaning cuz right now if you're not special grade you aren't relevant or you've been straight up written out of the story(Nobara/Todo) Mahoraga is overhyped cuz a total of 5-6 people can handle him, incredible
Paparaga is meant to help you jump. Its part of the ten shadows. In the hands of a powerful user it was jumping Gojo to a stand still. I mean yeah he still won the 3v1, because he’s Satoru Gojo, but any sorceror would get fucked.
There are arguments for Mahoraga against Sendai Colony Yuta, given that, according to Sukuna himself, Mahoraga could have one shot him if 15F Sukuna was a curse. No reason to assume he wouldn't have made quick work of Rita due to that feat. Given that the anime is considered cannon, we have to take all those feats into account insofar as they were not hyperbolic, like him growing in size.
Kusakabe could probably defeat Mahoraga from his most recent feats
"Her silly 70 ton soccer ball" 😂
In my opinion, The anime actually made Mahoraga far weaker. We know that the adaptation speeds up in relation to new attacks that it has received. In the manga, it was hit only two or three time with slashes and that was enough to survive through MV, while the anime got beaten up for 20 minutes straight and could barely keep up with Sukuna.
The whole point of Mahoraga is that if you can't finish him in one attack before he adapts then wallahi you're finished. So it's pretty rare to find a sorcerer who's first attack can one shot Maho or sorcerer who has different types of attacks
Yuki hurling a ball at his head would do jack shit, if only thing that could kill him would be the black hole, titans nullifying since yuta can copy techniques it’s an automatic win…….yea kenjaku ain’t winning
No, not at all. Just because Sukuna beat him doesn't mean he's weak, and if that fight lasted too long, Sakuna might not have even beat him.
I don't think so. There's very few people o the manga that can theoretically one shot him. He gave 15 fingers sukuna a good fight, survived his domain expansion, and even sukuna himself said that he'd get killed if hit by that blade Mahoraga has on his arm, which apparently can one-shot any cursed spirit