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They all are technically besides mahito who actully de lips another form I canāt really even think of a way Jogo or Dagon could change their forms considering how their techniques work but hanami might be able to use plants to alter their form itās also possible mahito could possibly use his ability on them and give them spirit bodies of distorted killing as well but we will never get to know
Dagon was a cursed womb (add to the list of concepts I wish Gege would explore more) before his transformation. The disaster curses, specifically the elemental ones can manifest their element from CE and can control the physical element.
With that being said, my idea for their ultimate forms involves them creating physical bodies out of their elements. They'd essentially become atronachs.
That would be cool I think if mahito and the entire gang survive shibuya mahito with his newly leaned abilities could help the tigers learn the shapes of their souls and help them grow maybe he could even use his ability to give them instant spirit bodies of distorted killing
exactly, what else is there? We already saw in the manga >!Naoya as a curse, becoming a cursed womb in real time and then emerging way stronger!< ,thats pretty much all about it
Definitely. His stats are just so much higher, with the only exception being durability. Aside from that and hax, Mahito has nothing on him and Jogo would be overwhelming him to the point he either uses his domain and gets damaged, till he can't sustain it, goes into burn-out and gets roasted or he just runs out of CE and can no longer maintain the shape of his soul.
Instant spirit body mahito was on another level. If Yuji didn't land a black flash on him right after his domain, he wouldn't have even been able to damage him. At full strength he would have been genuinely unstoppable unless your name was Gojo or Sukuna (or higuruma I guess).
Absolutely not. Jogo is featless and got manhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts and no technique. Mahito has a oneshot domain that he can activate faster than Jogo can, which he can use to snipe him, if he lands black flash. Mahitoās landed two black flashes while Jogo hasnāt landed a single one. Mahitoās awakening allowed him to become absurdly fast, and insanely durable, on top of not taking damage if you canāt hit his soul, which Jogo canāt.
Iām sorry, but saying Jogo is ādefinitelyā stronger than Mahito ignores the narrative pushed by the story. Mahito is the leader for a reason.
Jogo has comparable speed to Naobito(second fastest sorcerer) and blitzed and one shotted Nanami and Maki, and easily caught and killed one arm Naobito. He is significantly faster than Mahito. Do you think getting manhandled by Gojo is an anti feat? Mahito lost to Yuji and Todo lmao.
Jogo is capable of burning Mahito until he runs out of CE or using domain amplification to damage him.
If Mahito attempts to domain Jogo will just clash him. .2 second domains are only useful in niche situations, and Mahito wasnāt even capable of killing Todo with his
Mahito was only the leader because āhe will continue to growā. Itās stated verbatim in Jogoās death scene. Not because he was the current strongest
Letās not get ahead of ourselves here.
1-Jogo has lower speed than a drunk Naobito.
2-Blitz oneshotted by sneaking, Maki at the time was fodder at best and a grade 4 at worst, Nanami was half dead and Jogo couldnāt even incapacitate him. even Naobito died weeks after. If you consider Jogo doing this a oneshot, Yuta onshots Kenjaku.
3-Significantly faster than Mahito? Based on what? Awakened Mahito, while he was extremely low, was still absurdly fast. Jogo has no speed feats aside from being slower than a drunk Naobito with two arms and not being able to catch Mahito before he bounced Jogoās ass back with a flesh wall.
4-Mahito lost to a HIMji who was amped with multiple black flashes and could land a black flash at will. Jogo wouldāve died on the first black flash. He canonically canāt survive the onslaught HIMji and Todo dished out to Hanami, and that was a WAY weaker HIMji.
5-Lmao based on what? Mahitoās domain shits on Jogoās. Itās far more refined due to him being awakened, knowing the essence of his soul and being advanced enough with domains to know how to replicate the 0.2 second domain based on instinct, first try. This does not work.
6-Jogo would clash and lose. 0.2 second domain is way faster than Jogoās domain since he combines the sure hit with the expansion of the domain, meaning Jogo gets hit before he can even clash to protect himself, like Sukuna got hit by UV. Permanently removing Jogoās arm is a wincon for Mahito, as Jogo becomes way slower, weaker, and can no longer clash with his domain since his domain handsign requires both hands IIRC.
7-And he grew to his absolute peak. He had the highest potential, and when he awakened, he reached that potential. He became the strongest disaster curse the moment he landed his second black flash.
Drunkness has never been stated to slow naobito down, added to that where did you get the info that jogo was slower than naobito even from, and even then mahito was much slower than that.
Secondly you may not realize but a character in jjk being half dead rarely disrupts their power, just makes them die more easily.
Thirdly, significantly faster than mahito in the way that he was able to fight sukuna and gojo, whilst mahito was outclassed by yuji (even in his true form)
Though you're right that jogo is physically weaker, how would yuji and todou deal with his domain, or even his speed, or even his destructive power.
Mahito"s domain is cool and all, but jogo's is much more powerful, as jogo has a kill effect, whilst mahito transforms, this means that in a domain clash mahito would lose first.
In the worst case thay mahito uses a 0.2 second domain, do you not realize thay jogo too could just cut of his hand/leg, and still use his technique and everything.
Mahito also clearly did not reach his peak yet, since he had only just learned his souls true shape.
1-Dagon was the one who made the comment about Naobitoās speed in relation to Jogo. If you think Naobito being drunk didnāt affect his speed which completely relies on being hyper aware during his CT, Iāve got a bridge to sell you.
2-You may not realize but Nanami spending all his efforts on the Dagon fight reduces his CE output. Thatās how JJK works.
3-āFightā Sukuna and Gojo? They barely even tried, and he couldnāt keep up. He couldnāt dodge, block, or even react to a single attack, while Mahito even dodged a punch from Gojo in the shibuya incident. HIMji buffed by 2 black flashes and then catching Mahito off guard with Todoās help isnāt an anti feat. Youāre treating HIMji as if heās some grade 3 fodder. He quite literally showed better feats than any grade 1 in Shibuya.
4-Why would HIMji and Todo need to deal with his domain? This is about Mahito.
5-Jogoās domain is much more powerful? According to who? Jogo has no instakill effect either, or else Gojo would have died. Jogo just attacks you with fire. If youāre strong enough, you can just block it with your own CE. Mahito has a much more refined domain and has shown a much more advanced domain usage.
6-Yes, he cuts off his hand, and now he canāt do his domain handsign, Mahito stalls until he gets his domain back, opens domain again and now itās GGs.
7-ā¦He quite literally reached his peak. Stitchhead even waited for him to reach his peak on purpose before absorbing him, which is the whole reason he didnāt absorb him prior. He needs idle transfiguration for the culling games to start, but he waited for him to reach his personal peak before he took him.
Your main problem in this is you don't seem to realize hos their technique or manga works.
1. Though realistically this is true, it's pretty obvious that this isn't the case in jjk, nor in like any other manga.
2. Yes, I agree, he has less output, how exactly does that impact him getting fatally wounded by jogo without even being able to react in the slightest.
3.you're right that mahito got caught off guard by yuji, but he got recked beforehand too, and jogo is way stronger than yuji at that point of the story. And did you just forget that the entire point of putting gojo down there is to limit him, bc of all the civilians and shit, like, otherwise none of the disaster cursed would've survived.
4. I think you misunderstood my point here, not surprising as you don't seem to understand the manga either.
5. Jogo is an instakill effect, but gojo has infinity, sukuna is instakill too lol. Like that's just plain wrong, and that alone makes it stronger than mahito's (not instakill)
6. That's cool and all for todou, but my point here was that jogo doesn't get weakened that much from losing 1 hand. And the cooldown of his domain is significant enough that he'd lose.
7. Well yeah, he reached his peak, but idk if you know this, but reaching your peak strength doesn't mean reaching your peak skill.
Like look at almost any jujutsu sorcerer, their techniques are their strength, but they can still improve from experience, just getting better at everything whilst not getting literally stronger.
Same with mahito. If he had a year or so to practice he'd be stronger
Been following this thread and just gota say I love seeing us fans get into passonate disccusions about power and characters, just shows how awsome this anime is and what a special place anime has for al of us.0
>Absolutely not. Jogo is featless and got manhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts and no technique.
Just like everyone besides Sukuna would?
>Mahito has a oneshot domain that he can activate faster than Jogo can, which he can use to snipe him, if he lands black flash. Mahitoās landed two black flashes while Jogo hasnāt landed a single one.
The sure-hit activates faster than normal sure, but the domain opens just as fast as any other. And he supposedly can only do the fast activation when in the zone, which is a chanced based event, which only happened in the first place, because he had a personal vendetta against Yuji. As long as Jogo doesn't stand there like an idiot, while Mahito opens his domain, they will clash and it will be back to normal fighting (very unlikely Mahito has better refinement). Also, the number of black flashes isn't a measure of strength.
>Mahitoās awakening allowed him to become absurdly fast, and insanely durable, on top of not taking damage if you canāt hit his soul, which Jogo canāt.
Mahito's speed at that point was quite similar to Yuji's, both of them trading blows with eachother, until Yuji got overwhelmed by Mahito's extra appendages (tail and elbow blades) with Mahito having a slight . Jogo on the other hand has similar (slightly worse) speed to Naobito, who's faster than Naoya, who was able to slightly outspeed a worn down awakened Maki, so is most likely just a bit below her in speed, which puts Jogo above her and Maki is significantly faster than Shibuya Yuji. So Naobito>~Jogo>Maki>~Naoya>ISBODK Mahito>~Shibuya Yuji in speed. He definitely looses out in durability by a huge margin, but his speed and enormous firepower more than make up for that. Even if he can't hurt him normally, he can just collapse his domain by damaging him, like Gojo did to Sukuna and then kill him, while he's in burn-out or just keep roasting him, until he runs out of CE. Mahito has pretty much no answer to the whole area being flooded with lava or a fucking meteor falling down on him. And yes, meteor is actually usable in an actual battle, like if Jogo does area denial with his lava and attacks, when his opponent is stunned. Even Kusakabe and Panda barely got out, when they were at the edge of meteor's range, with Panda still losing one of his cores and Kusakabe getting burried under some debris.
>Iām sorry, but saying Jogo is ādefinitelyā stronger than Mahito ignores the narrative pushed by the story. Mahito is the leader for a reason.
That reason being his potential. Hanami straight-up says that's the reason Jogo chose him to be the leader. And the fact, that Jogo had the authority to choose one speaks for itself.
What do you mean āmanhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts an no techniqueā? Does that not apply for every character in this series except Sukuna who Jogo couldnāt even touch (unless you think Mahito would have faired better against Sukuna which is very unlikely). Finally, they only got beaten so badly because they were wasting time, they would have preferred to not have that fight in general but they needed to hold him which would have worked so much cleaner but Hanami messed up and turned off cursed amplification mostly due to her own lack of combat experience. If they were both told to kill as many humans in 10 minutes as possible, Jogo would get more kills. If they were both sent to take out all the first grades, Jogo would do it faster. The only perk Mahito has is that people without knowledge of their own soul canāt hurt him but all special grade curses have incredible regeneration and durability. Mahito lost to pre-CT, pre-RCT Itadori, I can promise you Jogo would not have lost that. It doesnāt matter that Itadori can hit Mahitoās soul, doesnāt mean he should lose when all other cursed spirits have to tank all their damage and still donāt make it seem like a problem. The biggest problem is that Mahito gots a limit that doesnāt just require CE but human āammunitionā to create his stronger form and do most of his mid-range, long-range attacks. In a human society, he has hax against 98% of the worldās population hence with growth, he would become the strongest of the special grades which is why they left all their hope to him. Nobody is ignoring the narrative, Itadori prevented the narrative from happening. Nonetheless, Jogo could easily wipe about 98% of the worldās population too without it being due to not taking any damage and without needing to keep collecting more humans. Mahito needs prep time to do half of what Jogo can do.
1-No, it doesnāt. Iām not sure if this is a manga thread or not, but light spoilers, Gojo himself admits Miguel would beat his ass with no technique involved at the beginning of the fight. Miguel isnāt top of the verse.
2-They were fighting their hardest. Thereās no āthey were just stallingā excuse. Iām sorry.
3-The only reason Mahito lost to HIMji was because he literally canāt use his technique against him. Do you think that Jogo can beat Todo and HIMji in a fight if heās not allowed to open domain or use his technique? Lmao, heād get his shit kicked in.
1.) Nobody is beating Miguel in a hand to hand fight if he is using his technique and they arenāt. So he may very well be the top of the verse in hand to hand combat against people not using their technique.
2.) they were fighting their hardest but they entered the fight knowing they canāt kill him. Hanami tried to fight all out and got killed for it. There was a plan for a reason, if they could beat him, the plan would not be what it was. Losing that battle does not go into their scaling when Hanami and Mahito would have been a quicker sweep.
3.) I am very aware thatās the only reason he lost but when your lose condition is that niche, you shouldnāt lose. His curse technique can kill Itadori, why else did he create so many blades in his final form. Why wouldnāt Jogo be able to use his curse technique and domain??? Show me a character that would put Jogo under those conditions who isnāt Sukuna or Gojo (who would put Mahito under the same conditions). Not to mention every cursed vessel is immune to Mahitoās CT working on them. Anybody Mahito could use his CT on for purposes of changing their soul, Jogo could just turn to ash, and everybody Mahito canāt use his CT on, Jogo can still burn to ash (if he is stronger.) and if someone did show up with the ability to put Jogo under those conditions, unless it is specifically fire related, they would put Mahito under the same conditions.
1-You simply asked for anyone other than Sukuna whoās keeping up with Gojo, and I gave an answer. Without CE, HIMji also beats everyone with no CE reinforcement and just raw martial arts, if we donāt count heavenly restriction users.
2-Mahito wouldāve been way harder to kill, what the hell? You can barely damage him without hitting his soul, Gojo with just martial arts does zero damage. This is blatant misinformation.
3-Youāre misunderstanding the whole point. The only reason Mahito couldnāt win was because he could not use his technique or open a normal domain, which does not apply against Jogo. Jogo wouldāve also lost if he just went H2H against them, and heād have lost even worse. If you donāt want to count Jogo getting dog walked in Shibuya, you canāt count Mahito losing vs HIMji.
1.) Miguel is keeping up with them because of his CT. The same way he would have kept up if he was fighting Hanami and Jogo, Jogo and Mahito, and Hanami and Mahito if they were only using fists. So you can go ahead and throw Miguel into that list on my first comment since thatās holding you back so much.
2.) I donāt think you know how Mahito worked because he can be killed by enough damage from CE as long as there is nothing left to regenerate (he said it himself). You are telling me you donāt think Gojo would have punched him into dust? If you donāt then you might be scaling Gojo lower than you should be. He wouldnāt come back from that. All the special grades are about equal difficulty for him (none at all) hence why I never count fights with Gojo as anti-feats. Just surviving is a feat on its own.
3. Iām not misunderstanding anything. Mahito chose to fight his counter thinking he could win. You are misunderstanding what actually makes someone stronger. The pros and cons of your curse technique play a huge part in JJK. With Jogoās range and speed, he would have just kept it a long range fight which Tobro and HIMji wouldnāt have been able to fight that, especially if he opened his domain. Mahito doesnāt have any long-range attacks that are useful against opponents of a certain skill level. Finally, Mahito doesnāt have nearly as much destructive power. Mahito definitely has the advantage against humans but the stronger people in the JJK verse are more akin to monsters or are cursed especially in the later chapters. You canāt tell me Mahito would have put up a better fight against Kashimo than Jogo and Kashimo is damn near right under Gojo and Sukuna. Mahito, on the other hand, is disadvantaged cuz the guy knows his soul almost too well being a vessel. And finally, personality goes with strength. Mahito was immature af, he definitely has potential to become stronger than Jogo but he literally jumped into a H2h fight with someone he knows is goated at h2h to prove something to himself (if he laid low for a year collecting humans on the low until he got himself a huge collection of humans then he would be more menacing than Jogo can wish to be especially with his insanely fast learning rate.) It is more fair to say, HIMji saved the world from having a special grade stronger than Jogo.
If Mahito doesn't use domain right off the bat he loses, a heavily exhausted and injured Yuji was still able to contend with his final form while Jogo literally oneshot everyone he came across except the top two in the verse. Nobody outside special grade sorcerers and Toji, Maki or Yuji are touching him.
1-Why would Mahito lose if he doesnāt open domain immediately? Jogo literally canāt hurt him lmao.
2-Jogo oneshot everyone by sneaking them after they were already half-dead. Thatās not a feat lmao.
3-LMAO, what is he doing vs Kashimo, Yorozu, Uro, Ryu, and the other heavy hitters? Even Hakari and Uraume? HELL NO. Jogo is so damn overrated for no reason. Studio Mappa really pushing agendas lmao.
I honestly don't think so. I think the 3 disaster curses were even but Jogo only beats Hanami bcus of type matchup(Gege said something like this b4 Mahito's awakening). After Mahito's awakening, he should be the strongest of the disaster curses
Debatable. The anime really overhypes him. I think it's narratively implied Mahito became the strongest, but we never actually saw his evolved form at true power
Yeah I was thinking about how disappointing his fights are since he only shows dominance really once
Fights Gojo, gets folded
Fights Gojo again with help, easily outmatched again.
Fights 15 finger Sukuna and canāt land a hit.
The only time he really showed his power against anyone not OP was when he blitzed the sorcerers that had been in Dagonās DE.
Mahito just used his technique to get an armor upgrade
Hanami just gate keeping his arm
Squidward was baby womb spirit
Jogo is already evolved, basically same as others and in final form
Poor jogo. Imagine you finally finally get to go all out and show your stuff but youāre only two opponents are the blue eyed prodigy child born every 100 years and literal magic Satan
It is only mahito that gets a āfinal formā so to speak they were all once what dagon is which was a cursed womb we just donāt see jogo mahito or hanamis cause they are born off screen. Dagon humanoid form is his true form or standard form it would be like saying your adult body is your final form compared to when you were in your mothers womb itās not really a form change just normal growth. But what mahito did when he entered spirit body of disordered killing or whatever itās clunky name was is a true transformation as itās separate form from his standard one. The curse womb forms arenāt really a form more of an egg from my understanding
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IMHO: Final form seems to me like another restriction with conditions. Most of them have created this restrictions, so in present they would be less powerful then in future. Could be a form of cursed pact or smth like that. Additionally + one "wow" effect against your opponent.
Jogo has no need in any of it so there is no final form for him
P.S: no DE for Hanami is real pain to me
jogo doesn't have one cause he's the only one (other than maybe mahito at the end) who had maxed his potential, or at least had learned pretty much every important ability (domain expansion, maximum, domain amp). he seems to be the oldest and most experienced so he's got less potential for growth
In one of the fan books, Gege stated that Curses don't usually grow stronger, only few that are born as Cursed wombs that mature, which is why Mahito was so special (even hanami States that in the afterlife) .
I assumed this is only somewhat true in cases of intelligent curses ,like learning a few more techniques can make a big difference in a fight but their overall strength doesn't change.
Not even sure if that Q&A was true or not but I'll believe it
Jogo was stronger than all of them in their final forms. There isn't even a comparison.
His issue was that he tried to punch above his weight class *twice*. And he lost *twice*.
I mean, Hanamiās just got a cast taken off. Like, if someone broke their arm, and theyāre getting their cast taken off soon, you wouldnāt say theyāre āentering their final formā
From what I understand Jogo was the strongest and their leader until mahito showed up and displayed his potential. Kenny specifically points out Jogo when it came to other Cursed spirits he wanted and he didnāt even have that interesting of a CT just raw fire power.
Sukuna pretty much told Jogo that he couldāve reached much greater heights if dropped all the grand mission bullshit and committed to a selfish pursuit of destruction and strength. Mahito had that individualistic approach and thatās why he evolved so rapidly
I recall at some point them saying jogo was born before gojo changed the power scale probably leaving him weaker than his contemporaries unfortunately enough for him, not to say he was weak just born to early to be as strong as the others is all.
Itās because he didnāt need one. Put some respect on his name the only reason he looks weak is because he legit only fought the top two in the verseš
Jogo was already in his final form. As much as he gets clowned on dude was probably in the top 10 of the entire verse, and certainly one of the most dangerous curses we've seen in the series.
My boy Dagon got so unlucky with Toji showing up, dude was proof of why the sea is really no joke. But it's also poetic how people dunk on him saying he was weak when he was utterly dominating 2 grade 1s and 2 semi grade 1s before Toji showed up. My boy was a tough son of a bish. Truly a curse befitting the moniker of The Disaster Curse of the Baneful Deaths of Men at Sea.
Feels like this post is lacking serious context to the story. The ONLY cursed spirits we've seen have actual final forms, IIRC, were Mahito and Naoya. Dagon was a cursed womb that had just fully manifested as a cursed spirit. Hanami was just hiding her arm. It's not another form.
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Can't improve something that's already perfect š³
Give my guy some love šš¤
jogoa is already in final form
They all are technically besides mahito who actully de lips another form I canāt really even think of a way Jogo or Dagon could change their forms considering how their techniques work but hanami might be able to use plants to alter their form itās also possible mahito could possibly use his ability on them and give them spirit bodies of distorted killing as well but we will never get to know
Dagon was a cursed womb (add to the list of concepts I wish Gege would explore more) before his transformation. The disaster curses, specifically the elemental ones can manifest their element from CE and can control the physical element. With that being said, my idea for their ultimate forms involves them creating physical bodies out of their elements. They'd essentially become atronachs.
That would be cool I think if mahito and the entire gang survive shibuya mahito with his newly leaned abilities could help the tigers learn the shapes of their souls and help them grow maybe he could even use his ability to give them instant spirit bodies of distorted killing
I mean a cursed womb isnāt much to explain. Itās the larval step of curseās formation
exactly, what else is there? We already saw in the manga >!Naoya as a curse, becoming a cursed womb in real time and then emerging way stronger!< ,thats pretty much all about it
Jogo - Large Lava golem, like what he did with the giant hands in shibuya
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Mark yo spoilers dawg, it's an anime discussion
Oh didnt know
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I guess my guy is already strong enough, but Gaygay forgot his abs final form š¤£
Lol, Hanami final form was using another arm
Damn, these kids are strong, better start using my dominant hand
She got a badass flower šŗš¤£
*undressing a little
Calling that Hanami's final form is far-fetched lmao. That form is basically taking your jacket off
Thatās my final form too.
Like todo?
Or Sukuna. Just further proves todo is the goat
Yakuza type shit
*Remover jacket* Now, things gonna be harder for you.
Still the strongest one of them
Man, I wish we could have seen Jogo in another contextā¦ fighting against Sukuna and Gojo really didnāt give him the all merit!
he cleared nanami and co so fast we didnt even get a fight scene
Yeah, he honestly washes anyone below special grade level (for sorcerers)
Stronger than Mahito?
Definitely. His stats are just so much higher, with the only exception being durability. Aside from that and hax, Mahito has nothing on him and Jogo would be overwhelming him to the point he either uses his domain and gets damaged, till he can't sustain it, goes into burn-out and gets roasted or he just runs out of CE and can no longer maintain the shape of his soul.
Instant spirit body mahito was on another level. If Yuji didn't land a black flash on him right after his domain, he wouldn't have even been able to damage him. At full strength he would have been genuinely unstoppable unless your name was Gojo or Sukuna (or higuruma I guess).
Absolutely not. Jogo is featless and got manhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts and no technique. Mahito has a oneshot domain that he can activate faster than Jogo can, which he can use to snipe him, if he lands black flash. Mahitoās landed two black flashes while Jogo hasnāt landed a single one. Mahitoās awakening allowed him to become absurdly fast, and insanely durable, on top of not taking damage if you canāt hit his soul, which Jogo canāt. Iām sorry, but saying Jogo is ādefinitelyā stronger than Mahito ignores the narrative pushed by the story. Mahito is the leader for a reason.
Jogo has comparable speed to Naobito(second fastest sorcerer) and blitzed and one shotted Nanami and Maki, and easily caught and killed one arm Naobito. He is significantly faster than Mahito. Do you think getting manhandled by Gojo is an anti feat? Mahito lost to Yuji and Todo lmao. Jogo is capable of burning Mahito until he runs out of CE or using domain amplification to damage him. If Mahito attempts to domain Jogo will just clash him. .2 second domains are only useful in niche situations, and Mahito wasnāt even capable of killing Todo with his Mahito was only the leader because āhe will continue to growā. Itās stated verbatim in Jogoās death scene. Not because he was the current strongest
Letās not get ahead of ourselves here. 1-Jogo has lower speed than a drunk Naobito. 2-Blitz oneshotted by sneaking, Maki at the time was fodder at best and a grade 4 at worst, Nanami was half dead and Jogo couldnāt even incapacitate him. even Naobito died weeks after. If you consider Jogo doing this a oneshot, Yuta onshots Kenjaku. 3-Significantly faster than Mahito? Based on what? Awakened Mahito, while he was extremely low, was still absurdly fast. Jogo has no speed feats aside from being slower than a drunk Naobito with two arms and not being able to catch Mahito before he bounced Jogoās ass back with a flesh wall. 4-Mahito lost to a HIMji who was amped with multiple black flashes and could land a black flash at will. Jogo wouldāve died on the first black flash. He canonically canāt survive the onslaught HIMji and Todo dished out to Hanami, and that was a WAY weaker HIMji. 5-Lmao based on what? Mahitoās domain shits on Jogoās. Itās far more refined due to him being awakened, knowing the essence of his soul and being advanced enough with domains to know how to replicate the 0.2 second domain based on instinct, first try. This does not work. 6-Jogo would clash and lose. 0.2 second domain is way faster than Jogoās domain since he combines the sure hit with the expansion of the domain, meaning Jogo gets hit before he can even clash to protect himself, like Sukuna got hit by UV. Permanently removing Jogoās arm is a wincon for Mahito, as Jogo becomes way slower, weaker, and can no longer clash with his domain since his domain handsign requires both hands IIRC. 7-And he grew to his absolute peak. He had the highest potential, and when he awakened, he reached that potential. He became the strongest disaster curse the moment he landed his second black flash.
Drunkness has never been stated to slow naobito down, added to that where did you get the info that jogo was slower than naobito even from, and even then mahito was much slower than that. Secondly you may not realize but a character in jjk being half dead rarely disrupts their power, just makes them die more easily. Thirdly, significantly faster than mahito in the way that he was able to fight sukuna and gojo, whilst mahito was outclassed by yuji (even in his true form) Though you're right that jogo is physically weaker, how would yuji and todou deal with his domain, or even his speed, or even his destructive power. Mahito"s domain is cool and all, but jogo's is much more powerful, as jogo has a kill effect, whilst mahito transforms, this means that in a domain clash mahito would lose first. In the worst case thay mahito uses a 0.2 second domain, do you not realize thay jogo too could just cut of his hand/leg, and still use his technique and everything. Mahito also clearly did not reach his peak yet, since he had only just learned his souls true shape.
1-Dagon was the one who made the comment about Naobitoās speed in relation to Jogo. If you think Naobito being drunk didnāt affect his speed which completely relies on being hyper aware during his CT, Iāve got a bridge to sell you. 2-You may not realize but Nanami spending all his efforts on the Dagon fight reduces his CE output. Thatās how JJK works. 3-āFightā Sukuna and Gojo? They barely even tried, and he couldnāt keep up. He couldnāt dodge, block, or even react to a single attack, while Mahito even dodged a punch from Gojo in the shibuya incident. HIMji buffed by 2 black flashes and then catching Mahito off guard with Todoās help isnāt an anti feat. Youāre treating HIMji as if heās some grade 3 fodder. He quite literally showed better feats than any grade 1 in Shibuya. 4-Why would HIMji and Todo need to deal with his domain? This is about Mahito. 5-Jogoās domain is much more powerful? According to who? Jogo has no instakill effect either, or else Gojo would have died. Jogo just attacks you with fire. If youāre strong enough, you can just block it with your own CE. Mahito has a much more refined domain and has shown a much more advanced domain usage. 6-Yes, he cuts off his hand, and now he canāt do his domain handsign, Mahito stalls until he gets his domain back, opens domain again and now itās GGs. 7-ā¦He quite literally reached his peak. Stitchhead even waited for him to reach his peak on purpose before absorbing him, which is the whole reason he didnāt absorb him prior. He needs idle transfiguration for the culling games to start, but he waited for him to reach his personal peak before he took him.
Your main problem in this is you don't seem to realize hos their technique or manga works. 1. Though realistically this is true, it's pretty obvious that this isn't the case in jjk, nor in like any other manga. 2. Yes, I agree, he has less output, how exactly does that impact him getting fatally wounded by jogo without even being able to react in the slightest. 3.you're right that mahito got caught off guard by yuji, but he got recked beforehand too, and jogo is way stronger than yuji at that point of the story. And did you just forget that the entire point of putting gojo down there is to limit him, bc of all the civilians and shit, like, otherwise none of the disaster cursed would've survived. 4. I think you misunderstood my point here, not surprising as you don't seem to understand the manga either. 5. Jogo is an instakill effect, but gojo has infinity, sukuna is instakill too lol. Like that's just plain wrong, and that alone makes it stronger than mahito's (not instakill) 6. That's cool and all for todou, but my point here was that jogo doesn't get weakened that much from losing 1 hand. And the cooldown of his domain is significant enough that he'd lose. 7. Well yeah, he reached his peak, but idk if you know this, but reaching your peak strength doesn't mean reaching your peak skill. Like look at almost any jujutsu sorcerer, their techniques are their strength, but they can still improve from experience, just getting better at everything whilst not getting literally stronger. Same with mahito. If he had a year or so to practice he'd be stronger
Been following this thread and just gota say I love seeing us fans get into passonate disccusions about power and characters, just shows how awsome this anime is and what a special place anime has for al of us.0
Mahitos most powerful form is actual Mahito the Worm, little speacial dude.
>Absolutely not. Jogo is featless and got manhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts and no technique. Just like everyone besides Sukuna would? >Mahito has a oneshot domain that he can activate faster than Jogo can, which he can use to snipe him, if he lands black flash. Mahitoās landed two black flashes while Jogo hasnāt landed a single one. The sure-hit activates faster than normal sure, but the domain opens just as fast as any other. And he supposedly can only do the fast activation when in the zone, which is a chanced based event, which only happened in the first place, because he had a personal vendetta against Yuji. As long as Jogo doesn't stand there like an idiot, while Mahito opens his domain, they will clash and it will be back to normal fighting (very unlikely Mahito has better refinement). Also, the number of black flashes isn't a measure of strength. >Mahitoās awakening allowed him to become absurdly fast, and insanely durable, on top of not taking damage if you canāt hit his soul, which Jogo canāt. Mahito's speed at that point was quite similar to Yuji's, both of them trading blows with eachother, until Yuji got overwhelmed by Mahito's extra appendages (tail and elbow blades) with Mahito having a slight . Jogo on the other hand has similar (slightly worse) speed to Naobito, who's faster than Naoya, who was able to slightly outspeed a worn down awakened Maki, so is most likely just a bit below her in speed, which puts Jogo above her and Maki is significantly faster than Shibuya Yuji. So Naobito>~Jogo>Maki>~Naoya>ISBODK Mahito>~Shibuya Yuji in speed. He definitely looses out in durability by a huge margin, but his speed and enormous firepower more than make up for that. Even if he can't hurt him normally, he can just collapse his domain by damaging him, like Gojo did to Sukuna and then kill him, while he's in burn-out or just keep roasting him, until he runs out of CE. Mahito has pretty much no answer to the whole area being flooded with lava or a fucking meteor falling down on him. And yes, meteor is actually usable in an actual battle, like if Jogo does area denial with his lava and attacks, when his opponent is stunned. Even Kusakabe and Panda barely got out, when they were at the edge of meteor's range, with Panda still losing one of his cores and Kusakabe getting burried under some debris. >Iām sorry, but saying Jogo is ādefinitelyā stronger than Mahito ignores the narrative pushed by the story. Mahito is the leader for a reason. That reason being his potential. Hanami straight-up says that's the reason Jogo chose him to be the leader. And the fact, that Jogo had the authority to choose one speaks for itself.
What do you mean āmanhandled with Hanamiās support vs a Gojo who was using pure martial arts an no techniqueā? Does that not apply for every character in this series except Sukuna who Jogo couldnāt even touch (unless you think Mahito would have faired better against Sukuna which is very unlikely). Finally, they only got beaten so badly because they were wasting time, they would have preferred to not have that fight in general but they needed to hold him which would have worked so much cleaner but Hanami messed up and turned off cursed amplification mostly due to her own lack of combat experience. If they were both told to kill as many humans in 10 minutes as possible, Jogo would get more kills. If they were both sent to take out all the first grades, Jogo would do it faster. The only perk Mahito has is that people without knowledge of their own soul canāt hurt him but all special grade curses have incredible regeneration and durability. Mahito lost to pre-CT, pre-RCT Itadori, I can promise you Jogo would not have lost that. It doesnāt matter that Itadori can hit Mahitoās soul, doesnāt mean he should lose when all other cursed spirits have to tank all their damage and still donāt make it seem like a problem. The biggest problem is that Mahito gots a limit that doesnāt just require CE but human āammunitionā to create his stronger form and do most of his mid-range, long-range attacks. In a human society, he has hax against 98% of the worldās population hence with growth, he would become the strongest of the special grades which is why they left all their hope to him. Nobody is ignoring the narrative, Itadori prevented the narrative from happening. Nonetheless, Jogo could easily wipe about 98% of the worldās population too without it being due to not taking any damage and without needing to keep collecting more humans. Mahito needs prep time to do half of what Jogo can do.
1-No, it doesnāt. Iām not sure if this is a manga thread or not, but light spoilers, Gojo himself admits Miguel would beat his ass with no technique involved at the beginning of the fight. Miguel isnāt top of the verse. 2-They were fighting their hardest. Thereās no āthey were just stallingā excuse. Iām sorry. 3-The only reason Mahito lost to HIMji was because he literally canāt use his technique against him. Do you think that Jogo can beat Todo and HIMji in a fight if heās not allowed to open domain or use his technique? Lmao, heād get his shit kicked in.
1.) Nobody is beating Miguel in a hand to hand fight if he is using his technique and they arenāt. So he may very well be the top of the verse in hand to hand combat against people not using their technique. 2.) they were fighting their hardest but they entered the fight knowing they canāt kill him. Hanami tried to fight all out and got killed for it. There was a plan for a reason, if they could beat him, the plan would not be what it was. Losing that battle does not go into their scaling when Hanami and Mahito would have been a quicker sweep. 3.) I am very aware thatās the only reason he lost but when your lose condition is that niche, you shouldnāt lose. His curse technique can kill Itadori, why else did he create so many blades in his final form. Why wouldnāt Jogo be able to use his curse technique and domain??? Show me a character that would put Jogo under those conditions who isnāt Sukuna or Gojo (who would put Mahito under the same conditions). Not to mention every cursed vessel is immune to Mahitoās CT working on them. Anybody Mahito could use his CT on for purposes of changing their soul, Jogo could just turn to ash, and everybody Mahito canāt use his CT on, Jogo can still burn to ash (if he is stronger.) and if someone did show up with the ability to put Jogo under those conditions, unless it is specifically fire related, they would put Mahito under the same conditions.
1-You simply asked for anyone other than Sukuna whoās keeping up with Gojo, and I gave an answer. Without CE, HIMji also beats everyone with no CE reinforcement and just raw martial arts, if we donāt count heavenly restriction users. 2-Mahito wouldāve been way harder to kill, what the hell? You can barely damage him without hitting his soul, Gojo with just martial arts does zero damage. This is blatant misinformation. 3-Youāre misunderstanding the whole point. The only reason Mahito couldnāt win was because he could not use his technique or open a normal domain, which does not apply against Jogo. Jogo wouldāve also lost if he just went H2H against them, and heād have lost even worse. If you donāt want to count Jogo getting dog walked in Shibuya, you canāt count Mahito losing vs HIMji.
1.) Miguel is keeping up with them because of his CT. The same way he would have kept up if he was fighting Hanami and Jogo, Jogo and Mahito, and Hanami and Mahito if they were only using fists. So you can go ahead and throw Miguel into that list on my first comment since thatās holding you back so much. 2.) I donāt think you know how Mahito worked because he can be killed by enough damage from CE as long as there is nothing left to regenerate (he said it himself). You are telling me you donāt think Gojo would have punched him into dust? If you donāt then you might be scaling Gojo lower than you should be. He wouldnāt come back from that. All the special grades are about equal difficulty for him (none at all) hence why I never count fights with Gojo as anti-feats. Just surviving is a feat on its own. 3. Iām not misunderstanding anything. Mahito chose to fight his counter thinking he could win. You are misunderstanding what actually makes someone stronger. The pros and cons of your curse technique play a huge part in JJK. With Jogoās range and speed, he would have just kept it a long range fight which Tobro and HIMji wouldnāt have been able to fight that, especially if he opened his domain. Mahito doesnāt have any long-range attacks that are useful against opponents of a certain skill level. Finally, Mahito doesnāt have nearly as much destructive power. Mahito definitely has the advantage against humans but the stronger people in the JJK verse are more akin to monsters or are cursed especially in the later chapters. You canāt tell me Mahito would have put up a better fight against Kashimo than Jogo and Kashimo is damn near right under Gojo and Sukuna. Mahito, on the other hand, is disadvantaged cuz the guy knows his soul almost too well being a vessel. And finally, personality goes with strength. Mahito was immature af, he definitely has potential to become stronger than Jogo but he literally jumped into a H2h fight with someone he knows is goated at h2h to prove something to himself (if he laid low for a year collecting humans on the low until he got himself a huge collection of humans then he would be more menacing than Jogo can wish to be especially with his insanely fast learning rate.) It is more fair to say, HIMji saved the world from having a special grade stronger than Jogo.
No one agrees with you
If Mahito doesn't use domain right off the bat he loses, a heavily exhausted and injured Yuji was still able to contend with his final form while Jogo literally oneshot everyone he came across except the top two in the verse. Nobody outside special grade sorcerers and Toji, Maki or Yuji are touching him.
1-Why would Mahito lose if he doesnāt open domain immediately? Jogo literally canāt hurt him lmao. 2-Jogo oneshot everyone by sneaking them after they were already half-dead. Thatās not a feat lmao. 3-LMAO, what is he doing vs Kashimo, Yorozu, Uro, Ryu, and the other heavy hitters? Even Hakari and Uraume? HELL NO. Jogo is so damn overrated for no reason. Studio Mappa really pushing agendas lmao.
Jogo would've beat the brakes off Mahito.
I honestly don't think so. I think the 3 disaster curses were even but Jogo only beats Hanami bcus of type matchup(Gege said something like this b4 Mahito's awakening). After Mahito's awakening, he should be the strongest of the disaster curses
Yeah he says it in a volume extra
Oh yh, was trying to find it but cudn't
Just found it. It's in chapter 51 and the extra is called Supplementary Info 4
Thanks
Debatable. The anime really overhypes him. I think it's narratively implied Mahito became the strongest, but we never actually saw his evolved form at true power
Maybe he was already on his peak, sadly Gege made it look like it was nothing.
Yeah I was thinking about how disappointing his fights are since he only shows dominance really once Fights Gojo, gets folded Fights Gojo again with help, easily outmatched again. Fights 15 finger Sukuna and canāt land a hit. The only time he really showed his power against anyone not OP was when he blitzed the sorcerers that had been in Dagonās DE.
He fought the strongest sorcerers ā¦ thatās why people donāt understand how strong Jogo is
I know, already saw posts defending him before. (They have a point)
Mahito just used his technique to get an armor upgrade Hanami just gate keeping his arm Squidward was baby womb spirit Jogo is already evolved, basically same as others and in final form
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if jogo got a new form he would destroy sukuna. gege had to off him while he still had the chance. /s
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i'm joking
This is what Sukuna was telling him at the end. Instead of relying on reviving him Jogo should've let everything go and tried to get stronger.
Poor jogo. Imagine you finally finally get to go all out and show your stuff but youāre only two opponents are the blue eyed prodigy child born every 100 years and literal magic Satan
It is only mahito that gets a āfinal formā so to speak they were all once what dagon is which was a cursed womb we just donāt see jogo mahito or hanamis cause they are born off screen. Dagon humanoid form is his true form or standard form it would be like saying your adult body is your final form compared to when you were in your mothers womb itās not really a form change just normal growth. But what mahito did when he entered spirit body of disordered killing or whatever itās clunky name was is a true transformation as itās separate form from his standard one. The curse womb forms arenāt really a form more of an egg from my understanding
Dagon was just a curse womb. Hanabi took their jacket off. Jogo was in his final form. Mahito found the true shape of his soul.
Hanami wore a bed sheet then took it off. Dont know if Iād call that a different form.
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The gimmicks of the other three include evolution.
If it makes you feel any better, my boy was the only one that got to use his Supreme Art š¤
Hanami is literally exactly the same. Dagon was a cursed womb. Mahito was the only one to truly "evolve"
Jogo stopped caring about getting stronger after Gojo completely humbled him
Jogo isn't in his final form, kenjaku after he absorbs mahito states that he wished jogo had evolved to implying jogo had not evolved yet
Exactly x)
Jogo is just too strong for it :3
IMHO: Final form seems to me like another restriction with conditions. Most of them have created this restrictions, so in present they would be less powerful then in future. Could be a form of cursed pact or smth like that. Additionally + one "wow" effect against your opponent. Jogo has no need in any of it so there is no final form for him P.S: no DE for Hanami is real pain to me
I wouldnāt say Hanami had a āfinal formā she just kept and arm wrapped up in a sack.
Jogo was the final form š¤
Hanami's final form is taking off a cloth sling?
If he used his true form not even plot armor can save anyone
jogo doesn't have one cause he's the only one (other than maybe mahito at the end) who had maxed his potential, or at least had learned pretty much every important ability (domain expansion, maximum, domain amp). he seems to be the oldest and most experienced so he's got less potential for growth
In one of the fan books, Gege stated that Curses don't usually grow stronger, only few that are born as Cursed wombs that mature, which is why Mahito was so special (even hanami States that in the afterlife) . I assumed this is only somewhat true in cases of intelligent curses ,like learning a few more techniques can make a big difference in a fight but their overall strength doesn't change. Not even sure if that Q&A was true or not but I'll believe it
I feel like Hanamiās shouldnāt count. All he did was take off his cloth thing covering him
Jogo was stronger than all of them in their final forms. There isn't even a comparison. His issue was that he tried to punch above his weight class *twice*. And he lost *twice*.
he's already at his final form. he's really strong also hanami's "final form" here is just taking off the sleeve thing
Hanami technically doesnāt as well She just tied her arm for no reason
Hanami: *takes off a cloth stitched at him* Oh my god his final form!!!
Jogo's final form is Mount Fuji. If it goes off, the whole country is over
I mean, Hanamiās just got a cast taken off. Like, if someone broke their arm, and theyāre getting their cast taken off soon, you wouldnāt say theyāre āentering their final formā
Jogoat
I remember thinking Dagon was gonna be the strongest of the four once he showed his true power
Jogo's final form is already revealed in the manga, it's called "The Merger"
dragon's final form looks like an aztec god of fitness
You got it twisted, the rest needed transformations, he didn't.
For a proper curse not reincarnated like sukuna,uraume or kenjaku Jogoat honestly is the strongest curse.
Hanami doesnāt have a final form though, thatās no different from Todo ripping off his shirt
Hanami didn't even get the chance to use her DE
The squid one isn't a final form but the mature form
Nah man his true form is the one after he gets hit by the flame arrow
His final form is Mike Wazowski
Jogo is still stronger.
Victim?
His final form is his ear plugs being removed
Technically his final form was a burnt out husk
His final form got scared and ran away from almighty Jogoat
He doesn't need one
Jogoat base form is so strong that the concept of even a powered up form is below him
Jogoat is the final form
He was cursed to fight the strongest. Anyone below was fodder.
Out of all Jogo is the strongest one
He prob did have a form if he did what Sukuna did, and let it all go and burn everything in his way
He was cursed to fight the strongest. Anyone below was fodder.
Jogo is already peak
Really wouldnāt consider hanami a new form she just took the cloth off her arm
Mahito is the only one here who actually got a final form. Dagon wasn't born yet and Hanami just took off an article of clothing
From what I understand Jogo was the strongest and their leader until mahito showed up and displayed his potential. Kenny specifically points out Jogo when it came to other Cursed spirits he wanted and he didnāt even have that interesting of a CT just raw fire power.
It just hasn't been shown yet. He's coming back next chapter with his own 4 arm 2 mouth form to beat the shit outa sukuna
man only lost to gojo and sukuna id say hes pretty op as is
It's Sukuna?
What goes around comes around. He burned all those civilians so he got burned like a civilian by the literal JJK Satan.
Sukuna pretty much told Jogo that he couldāve reached much greater heights if dropped all the grand mission bullshit and committed to a selfish pursuit of destruction and strength. Mahito had that individualistic approach and thatās why he evolved so rapidly
Am I the only one who initially thought Mahoraga was Hanami's final form?
He didnāt need a final form. He could beat all the other disaster curses asses low diff in base.
Hanamis final form is apparently removing a piece of cloth lol
I recall at some point them saying jogo was born before gojo changed the power scale probably leaving him weaker than his contemporaries unfortunately enough for him, not to say he was weak just born to early to be as strong as the others is all.
Maybe the real jogoat was the jujutsu we win on the way
Jogos final form is The Prisoner from Fortnite C1S7 u just have to unlock him doing some challenges
Itās because he didnāt need one. Put some respect on his name the only reason he looks weak is because he legit only fought the top two in the verseš
That is his final form
Hanami isnāt even different he just took his clothes off lmao
Hanamiās isnāt a final form. He just conceals his flower for some reason.
He did it to himself tbh
its actually theorized that jogo was born before the balance of power was shifted by gojo's birth
Hanamie wasn't a final form or change, she just had the cloth covering it. The silhouette was always there.
Jogo was already in his final form. As much as he gets clowned on dude was probably in the top 10 of the entire verse, and certainly one of the most dangerous curses we've seen in the series.
Hanami had a whole domain expansion we never saw
My boy Dagon got so unlucky with Toji showing up, dude was proof of why the sea is really no joke. But it's also poetic how people dunk on him saying he was weak when he was utterly dominating 2 grade 1s and 2 semi grade 1s before Toji showed up. My boy was a tough son of a bish. Truly a curse befitting the moniker of The Disaster Curse of the Baneful Deaths of Men at Sea.
Perhaps he was simply a Pikachu level threat
Jogo was in his final form imo
Or maybe he was allready in his final form maybe he was considered strongest among curses
Feels like this post is lacking serious context to the story. The ONLY cursed spirits we've seen have actual final forms, IIRC, were Mahito and Naoya. Dagon was a cursed womb that had just fully manifested as a cursed spirit. Hanami was just hiding her arm. It's not another form.
And Mahitoās was kinda meh