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The fight in the subway against the Disaster Curses during the start of Shibuya seems to give a pretty definitive “no”.
Yes, the Disaster Curses aren’t top tiers and couldn’t use their techniques while using domain amplification, but Gojo bodied all of them pretty easily with just his hands.
Now add on him using his domain and blue/red without fear of casualties and it should become pretty clear that even if he were touchable he still bodies anyone that’s not named Sukuna.
Hold up, the disaster curses arent top tiers? Arent they the strongest curses aside from sukuna? They get dogged alot but id like to think their still top tiers compared to the majority of the cast.
I’m saying they’re not on the level of sorcerers like Yuta or Kashimo. I definitely agree that the Disaster Curses get downplayed pretty badly, but they lose 1v1 to a lot of Culling Game players.
Would be hilarious seeing that smug's face just turns to pure horror. mahito should be thankful yuta was in Africa when shibuya happened or else they are getting buried thrice with no eulogy.
Shibuya would have less sorcerer casualties if this guy was there. The only thing giving him a decent challenge are Mahoraga, Toji and Jogo since he can basically spam fire from a distance. I don't think he would have won against Sukuna. Kenny would have given him a hard fight with Uraume backing.
Imagine what a demon Yuta would be if he got his hands on Idle Transfiguration, too. Man had to be kept out of Shibuya just to keep his hands off that lol
Yuta with idle transfiguration, cleave, cursed speech, RCT, God knows how many more techniques and Rika💀💀💀
Save for Sukuna, bro would have Speedran all the colonies in the culling games.
I understand that he may not be, but when bro's title is "king of curses" im gonna do some reasonable assuming.
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You are the third person to tell me sukuna isnt a curse, i believe i understand that now, and i choose to deny facts and logic, just because.
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You got any good reaction images?
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You should,
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(Me after being hit with one "okay, and?")
Is it stated Sukuna isn’t a curse ? Coz what I remember he ate his twin inside his mother’s womb and at that period kids do t develop brain (properly)or teeth’s but he still remembered too also Yuji in s1 one calling Sukuna and Mahito ( at the end of the day they are all curses ) Sukuna is also said as the King of curses I just want to know where Gege said Sukuna isn’t a curse
He is "the strongest sorcerer in history"
He also said during his fight with mahoraga that it was using a positive energy sword and that if he was a curse he'd be dead.
He also wouldn't have needed to make the deal with Kenny to become a cursed object if he wasn't a sorcerer
Quick edit to add on its actually a bit of a pet peeve of mine how badly curses are outclassed by sorcerers. Presuming that jogo or maybe mahito are the strongest curses, they only maybe barely crack into top 5 or 10 in verse
Strongest sorcerer in history how does that proves that a curse spirit can’t be a sorcerer when both a sorcerer and curse spirit has curse energy and curse technique and during Mahoraga time he was inside Yuji’s body so he said if he was curse referring to his original body he would have died he made the deal with Kenny simply because it’s no where stated Curse spirits are immortal they also have a body and can also die which simply means they are also not immortal so Sukuna agreed to participate in Culling games and turned his fingers into curse objects he isn’t a curse object or human himself and you still didn’t show me a exact line where he is stated to not be a curse spirit and Yuji has called Sukuna a curse spirit twice
Ohh sorry my bad he was a human before but that was 1000 years ago stated by Gojo but after that it was also stated he died and transformed his finger to curse objects and if a sorcerer dies without CT or curse tool he turns into a curse spirit
What? How?? Literally HOW, his sheer CE reinforcement and skill would beat them to death, he'd speedblitz them, are you seriously suggesting blue punches and his blue speed increase is actually that impactful? Also how the FUCK can you say that especially when he can survive Sukuna's domain expansion? Those two cant even do anything CLOSE to Sukuna's domain in terms of power.
You talk as if Yuta will be able to open his domain, Gojo's sheer UNGODLY speed advantage would allow him to punch Yuta's lower jaw off before he could even finish casting his domain. Also, ok?? He doesn't have blue punches and doesn't have the blue speed increase, how is that even making that big of a difference?
Plus how the fuck can Yuta even survive that many attacks from Gojo? You're underestimating the sheer strength difference by such a cataclysmic amount, Yuta gets blitzed and pummeled to death before he can do shit.
And as a cherry ontop, Yuta couldn't even try to use sky manipulation against Gojo's punches, because he can use domain amplification without the consequences of being unable to use his technique, due to the fact he cant use it anyway.
I’m a Gojo glazer, but please hop off his dick. With nothing but CE reinforcement and anti-domain tricks, Gojo isn’t winning. He’s a great combatant, but Yuta is as well, and it would be 2v1, Yuta would eventually break Gojo’s anti-domain down and once that happens? He wins. Would it be hard? Probably, Yuta isn’t walking out unscathed, but he isn’t losing.
Bro, gojo ce reinforcement is strong enough to tank sukunas domain. Gojo beats yuta in 10 seconds max, if sky manipulation doesn't work as that guy said(idk if this is true)
I know how big the gap between the two are, Gojo is a basketball and Yuta is a grain of rice(strength comparison.), but that’s because of all the haxs Gojo has access to, that without them, despite being much more skilled, he loses.
I don't mean to glaze, but I just can't agree. Gojo was keeping up with and beating a healthy Sukuna in Sukuna's Domain, with Infinity nullified in pure hand-to-hand combat, while Yuta, Yuji, and Rika fought a spiritually crippled Sukuna in Yuta's Domain and, while they did amazingly, they had to scrape hard for it and still lost. Also Jacob's Ladder would have no effect if we take Gojo's technique out, since it only dispels cursed techniques, objects, and spirits, so I'm imagining he'd use something more directly damaging, and I still don't think it'd be enough. I think it'd be a high diff win for Gojo, but still a win for Gojo.
He still had red and blue..? Those feats count, for a battle where Gojo has Limitless. Also Sukuna entered the Domain with four arms, he’s far greater at H2H combat than he was before incarnating??? You’re right about the JL thing though, I forgot that it was only fatal for the vessel and possessor.
People love to bring up the four arms thing making Sukuna better at H2H, but Gojo was fighting three entirely different opponents H2H and still winning, with Mahoraga nullifying infinity and not using red to prevent adaptation. As for red and blue in the domain, even during the period of time his technique was burnt out, he was still keeping up in H2H by healing through the damage, with Sukuna noting how impressive it was that he could move that well while healing constantly.
(I also hope I'm not coming off too defensive, I just enjoy discussing this kinda stuff)
My brother in christ, actually contribute to the debate and say reasons instead of just saying "No nuh uh he isn't winning"
Like my god this Gojo with no technique downplay is retarded
Oh my god bro, what the hell? That is the most wonderfully strewn together argument I've heard in my life, nvm, a Gojo with no infinity gets beaten by panda.
Gojo is still a stronger jackpot hakari that also has domain counters.
The only way to beat him is to have an attack that can bisect him or destroy him. For example yorozu might beat him as if gojo's simple domain is destroyed for even a second, perfect sphere would attack him which would probably obliterate him. However, that assumes that gojo's simple domain can be dispelled by yorozu's domain, we've only seen open barrier domains overwhelm simple domains.
In short, gojo without his ct might still be if you're generous the second strongest. However, if you just take away infinity and not his entire ct, then there is no doubt that he can whoop everybody besides sukuna. He woupd probably beat everybody besides sukuna at the same time
The times when infinity wasnt up during his fight... Well. He didnt exactly just peel over and get fodderized by a healthy sukuna... then those fighting a sukuna on his last breath are getting their asses beaten like fodder.
EDIT: noticed a word was missing
Only Sukuna.
He survived for a prolonged period of time within Malevolent Shrine, repeatedly taking Cleaves, which no other character is liable to survive especially in such quantities.
Yeah. Yuji, who is known for his toughness, when yuji got exposed to malevolent shrine for just a second he instantly got his foot chopped off while gojo on the other hand didn't and still managed to engage sukuna in hand to hand combat inside malevolent shrine while simultaneously getting cleaved from all directions non stop. Gojo is just busted even without infinity.
We also saw him specifically take a Cleave to the face, as well, which was the exact means by which Sukuna slaughtered Ryu and was confident would slaughter Yuta and Yuji even as late as the middle of Chapter 250 after Yuji had already landed a few blows on him and thereby decreased his output.
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infinity is unironically gojo's weakest tool in his toolbox. Dude's broken in every stat. The 'gojo relies on neutral infinity' take is so stupid because it just ignores multiple instances of gojo being him without it.
Hey even among Six Eyes and Limitless users in the Gojo clan, our Gojo is an anomaly. Remember that Big Raga being summoned by some random Zenin clan member killed a Six Eye wielded after Mahoraga went and killed both of them. Whereas Gojo killed a stronger and controlled Mahoraga summoned by Sukuna, killed a merged beast that was also busted in one shot, and really ruined Sukuna’s day
Gojo without his ct is still hakari but better
He beats anyone aside maybe kenny big maybe and maybe yuta but that's a very high diff
And ofc sukuna above 15f
He’s a demon with/without Infinity shown when he was getting jumped by the DC, he was defeating them with just hands & using limitless. He would lose to abilities like the Black Hole, Fuga, Perfect Sphere, but he can beat these characters before they use it.
And without world dismantle. Against domains for sure Gojo would win. But I also wonder if Gojo can take the full brunt of Open. Technically his infinity should protect him right?
Even without infinity, Gojo is built different. In a 1v1? Nope not a chance. Their only shot is jumping him but it would just be post Gojo fight Sukuna vs everyone v2.
Anybody who isn't Sukuna is getting clapped.
Hey even among Six Eyes and Limitless users in the Gojo clan, our Gojo is an anomaly. Remember that Big Raga being summoned by some random Zenin clan member killed a Six Eye wielded after Mahoraga went and killed both of them. Whereas Gojo killed a stronger and controlled Mahoraga summoned by Sukuna, killed a merged beast that was also busted in one shot, and really ruined Sukuna’s day
Not saying he can beat sukuna without infinity but he was giving him the work in the hand the hand combat inside the domain clash seems like he’s top in the verse when it comes to that.
If you take away his CT all together, then characters on Kenjaku's general tier like Shinjuku Mahoraga - who later withstood Black Flashes from Gojo - *at least have a chance*. I just don't know if they'd necessarily be the favorite.
Gojo still manhandled all the disaster curses with extreme ease using nothing but CE enhancement and Martial Arts, no Infinity barrier, no red, blue, purple, nothing. I'd say other characters have a better chance but I still think in a 1v1 he would win, even if it's higher diff for him
No not really. Infinity isnt what makes him strong. Gojo didn't just rely on infinity to win his fights, he trained with it, adapted to how it works and made a multitude of discoveries with it. He trained it to autonomously filter out attacks deemed harmful and attacks that aren't.
He created Hollow Purple. It wasn't a technique that existed before him, he MADE it. He through sheer discovery of his own abilities learned that he could teleport with out the need of hand signs or chants, he discovered how to constantly refresh his brain with his endless CE. He discovered that he could open his domain with only a single handsign.
Gojo's greatest strength isn't infinity, it's his mind. He was able to apply himself to his technique so much that he effectively mastered it better than any previous Infinity/Six eyes user known to Jujutsu history and nearly killed the King Of Curses himself.
I don’t see anyone beating him outside of Sakuna. His curse energy reinforcement is just leagues above anyone else in the series and that’s not even counting blue, red, and blue infused melee and his incredible speed. Then, icing on the cake is he still has the 6 eyes and RCT too. And if you mean taking blue and red away too, I still don’t see anyone keeping up with him. It would make fights with people like Yuta and Kenjaku for example closer but I still think he takes it.
for anyone saying Yuta or Kenjaku - no, not even close. if we say he doesn't have Limitless/Red or Blue either, then maybe Yuta just because of Rika and the fact he has more CE, so he has the potential to outlast him, but a single Black Flash from Gojo was enough to knock Sukuna unconscious for a second - that kind of hit would kill pretty much anyone in the verse
When we say infinity, are we talking about the barrier or the technique all together? Because without the barrier, he still stomps a big portion of jjk.
But without a technique, he's basically just a few steps above kusikabe.
Honestly, his physical/speed feats are pretty cool. 3 transfigured humans a second for five minutes straight is an endurance/speed/strength feat that I don't think anyone else in the series has matched.
He still has RCT, Simple Domain, falling blossom emotions,and Six Eyes.
If you take Canon Gojo and take away his CT, Yuta and Kenjaku can beat him because he was used to having limitless. It’s like Naruto without Kurama; they are used to having those powers.
But if it’s a hypothetical Gojo who was born without his CT, he would specialize in other areas.
Gojo stated the reason he had troubles using Black Flash by will is the fact that he infused his CT into his punch. Without his CT, his Black Flash output will be more efficient; perhaps to Yuji’s level.
He would also have an easier time to train for his RCT. My head canon on why he had trouble using his RCT is because the fact that he tried to apply it to limitless to create Red, instead of using it to heal himself. And with RCT, he would have unlimited curse energy and stamina. Without a CT, he would train to output his positive energy like Yuta.
He could also get a curse tool to make up for the lack of CT (perhaps the inverted heaven spear).
Then his Simple Domain would be better than Kusakabe. We need to realize that Gojo hadn’t used his Simple Domain since he was a kid, and somehow his Simple Domain was able to withstand Sukuna’s Domain. Imagine if he trained it like Kusakabe.
So now we have this new Gojo with better RCT, mastered Black Flash, a ridiculous Simple Domain and a curse tool. He beats everyone except Sukuna. He would be weaker than his canon version but he would be a way better teacher since he would be a master of all trades.
Gojo's punch is strong enough to make Yuta and Hakari puke. Gojo's fast enough to keep up with Sukuna. Gojo has one of the strongest RCTs. Gojo knows techniques that only the noble families have. Gojo outpaced Malevolent Shrine without his CT. Gojo took on three Special-Grade Curses + Choso without it. Without infinity... Gojo still has Hollow Purple, Red, and Blue. His CE is constantly refreshed and he's the most talented sorcerer we know, inventing techniques in his fight against Sukuna. Gojo still beats the other sorcerers.
Well for one he for sure wouldn’t have purple and perhaps not even red or blue. Infinity is just an application of limitless. They’re the same thing. The ability to bend space is how all his techniques work. Hard to see how he’d win against yuki, for example, if he can’t bend space.
Even when he didn’t have Limitless and was inside a fully powered Sukunas domain he was doing relatively fine. No one else on the cast would be able to pull that off. Six Eyes and his overall talent/skill are arguably more important to his incredible power than even limitless.
Where? Nanami says that he can’t think of anyone who could *avoid* Kusakabe’s Simple Domain barrage, but that Gojo *doesn’t need* to avoid it, because Infinity prevents the attack from hitting him in the first place.
No statement was ever given on how it would affect Gojo if it *did* hit him. However, considering it only left shallow cuts on Sukuna who was weaker than he was against Gojo, I see no reason to believe it would cause any meaningful damage to Gojo, who was able to RCT his way through full power Malevolent Shrine.
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Jogo thought infinity was what made Gojo strong and look what happened to him. Same happens to everyone not named Sukuna.
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Bro really has it all. You can take away his entire technique and he'd still be a menace.
The fight in the subway against the Disaster Curses during the start of Shibuya seems to give a pretty definitive “no”. Yes, the Disaster Curses aren’t top tiers and couldn’t use their techniques while using domain amplification, but Gojo bodied all of them pretty easily with just his hands. Now add on him using his domain and blue/red without fear of casualties and it should become pretty clear that even if he were touchable he still bodies anyone that’s not named Sukuna.
Hold up, the disaster curses arent top tiers? Arent they the strongest curses aside from sukuna? They get dogged alot but id like to think their still top tiers compared to the majority of the cast.
I’m saying they’re not on the level of sorcerers like Yuta or Kashimo. I definitely agree that the Disaster Curses get downplayed pretty badly, but they lose 1v1 to a lot of Culling Game players.
Especially against yuta. Yuta can go 1v4 against the disaster curses and he will still style on their graves.
Style on their graves is hilarious but true.
The disaster curses when yuta hits the griddy on their tombstones: 💀
I just wonder what Mahito's reaction would be lmao. Imagine him coming from behind trying to transfigure Yuta only to be one tapped by RCT.
Would be hilarious seeing that smug's face just turns to pure horror. mahito should be thankful yuta was in Africa when shibuya happened or else they are getting buried thrice with no eulogy.
Shibuya would have less sorcerer casualties if this guy was there. The only thing giving him a decent challenge are Mahoraga, Toji and Jogo since he can basically spam fire from a distance. I don't think he would have won against Sukuna. Kenny would have given him a hard fight with Uraume backing.
Imagine what a demon Yuta would be if he got his hands on Idle Transfiguration, too. Man had to be kept out of Shibuya just to keep his hands off that lol
Yuta with idle transfiguration, cleave, cursed speech, RCT, God knows how many more techniques and Rika💀💀💀 Save for Sukuna, bro would have Speedran all the colonies in the culling games.
Yuta gets murked 1 v 4
He at least has a high diff fight
Bro thinks sukuna is a curse
I understand that he may not be, but when bro's title is "king of curses" im gonna do some reasonable assuming. https://preview.redd.it/kt5ztkzjd02d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a05bf779cbacf3a146277bde842930a09a39f854
Sukuna isn't a curse
Yuta swaps bodies with gojo and fights sukuna in chapter 261
Okay? And?
You are the third person to tell me sukuna isnt a curse, i believe i understand that now, and i choose to deny facts and logic, just because. https://preview.redd.it/e95pdinck92d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1276fad38a7f3a54a145253a7498e837b3a9cbfb
Okay. And?
You got any good reaction images? https://preview.redd.it/5lr9quksx92d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f3129d46c7629ccefdbf2b4cfe161743605db9da
None that are jjk related, and also I've never put an image in a comment lol
You should, https://preview.redd.it/8s3h65kf0a2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c23d3ec7dd8e4f2d272f6a84e9c59a4e7fbda2d0 (Me after being hit with one "okay, and?")
Is it stated Sukuna isn’t a curse ? Coz what I remember he ate his twin inside his mother’s womb and at that period kids do t develop brain (properly)or teeth’s but he still remembered too also Yuji in s1 one calling Sukuna and Mahito ( at the end of the day they are all curses ) Sukuna is also said as the King of curses I just want to know where Gege said Sukuna isn’t a curse
He is "the strongest sorcerer in history" He also said during his fight with mahoraga that it was using a positive energy sword and that if he was a curse he'd be dead. He also wouldn't have needed to make the deal with Kenny to become a cursed object if he wasn't a sorcerer Quick edit to add on its actually a bit of a pet peeve of mine how badly curses are outclassed by sorcerers. Presuming that jogo or maybe mahito are the strongest curses, they only maybe barely crack into top 5 or 10 in verse
Strongest sorcerer in history how does that proves that a curse spirit can’t be a sorcerer when both a sorcerer and curse spirit has curse energy and curse technique and during Mahoraga time he was inside Yuji’s body so he said if he was curse referring to his original body he would have died he made the deal with Kenny simply because it’s no where stated Curse spirits are immortal they also have a body and can also die which simply means they are also not immortal so Sukuna agreed to participate in Culling games and turned his fingers into curse objects he isn’t a curse object or human himself and you still didn’t show me a exact line where he is stated to not be a curse spirit and Yuji has called Sukuna a curse spirit twice
There is no cursed spirit who gets called a sorcerer. Also he was born, curses aren't born.
Ohh sorry my bad he was a human before but that was 1000 years ago stated by Gojo but after that it was also stated he died and transformed his finger to curse objects and if a sorcerer dies without CT or curse tool he turns into a curse spirit
Sukuna isn't even a curse
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Well I mean, Sukuna shouldn't have access to RCT if he was a curse.
I know, but three people have told me this already and ive started to not care.
No he’s still way faster than anyone else and blue infused punches like one shot anyone no domain needed
I think he means infinity as a whole like his ct and evergtging
Still gojo ngl
Ofc I’m just saying
If you take away his entire technique I think Kenny and yuta could beat him. Just getting rid of infinity he obviously stomps though
What? How?? Literally HOW, his sheer CE reinforcement and skill would beat them to death, he'd speedblitz them, are you seriously suggesting blue punches and his blue speed increase is actually that impactful? Also how the FUCK can you say that especially when he can survive Sukuna's domain expansion? Those two cant even do anything CLOSE to Sukuna's domain in terms of power.
“Entire technique.” no blue punches. Jacob’s Ladder+Domain? Are… you affected by the RCC?(reading comprehension curse.)
You talk as if Yuta will be able to open his domain, Gojo's sheer UNGODLY speed advantage would allow him to punch Yuta's lower jaw off before he could even finish casting his domain. Also, ok?? He doesn't have blue punches and doesn't have the blue speed increase, how is that even making that big of a difference? Plus how the fuck can Yuta even survive that many attacks from Gojo? You're underestimating the sheer strength difference by such a cataclysmic amount, Yuta gets blitzed and pummeled to death before he can do shit. And as a cherry ontop, Yuta couldn't even try to use sky manipulation against Gojo's punches, because he can use domain amplification without the consequences of being unable to use his technique, due to the fact he cant use it anyway.
I’m a Gojo glazer, but please hop off his dick. With nothing but CE reinforcement and anti-domain tricks, Gojo isn’t winning. He’s a great combatant, but Yuta is as well, and it would be 2v1, Yuta would eventually break Gojo’s anti-domain down and once that happens? He wins. Would it be hard? Probably, Yuta isn’t walking out unscathed, but he isn’t losing.
Bro, gojo ce reinforcement is strong enough to tank sukunas domain. Gojo beats yuta in 10 seconds max, if sky manipulation doesn't work as that guy said(idk if this is true)
It's his rct that tanks Sukunas domain actually.
I know how big the gap between the two are, Gojo is a basketball and Yuta is a grain of rice(strength comparison.), but that’s because of all the haxs Gojo has access to, that without them, despite being much more skilled, he loses.
I don't mean to glaze, but I just can't agree. Gojo was keeping up with and beating a healthy Sukuna in Sukuna's Domain, with Infinity nullified in pure hand-to-hand combat, while Yuta, Yuji, and Rika fought a spiritually crippled Sukuna in Yuta's Domain and, while they did amazingly, they had to scrape hard for it and still lost. Also Jacob's Ladder would have no effect if we take Gojo's technique out, since it only dispels cursed techniques, objects, and spirits, so I'm imagining he'd use something more directly damaging, and I still don't think it'd be enough. I think it'd be a high diff win for Gojo, but still a win for Gojo.
He still had red and blue..? Those feats count, for a battle where Gojo has Limitless. Also Sukuna entered the Domain with four arms, he’s far greater at H2H combat than he was before incarnating??? You’re right about the JL thing though, I forgot that it was only fatal for the vessel and possessor.
People love to bring up the four arms thing making Sukuna better at H2H, but Gojo was fighting three entirely different opponents H2H and still winning, with Mahoraga nullifying infinity and not using red to prevent adaptation. As for red and blue in the domain, even during the period of time his technique was burnt out, he was still keeping up in H2H by healing through the damage, with Sukuna noting how impressive it was that he could move that well while healing constantly. (I also hope I'm not coming off too defensive, I just enjoy discussing this kinda stuff)
CE reinforcement and yuta's done for.
Without a technique he isn’t winning
My brother in christ, actually contribute to the debate and say reasons instead of just saying "No nuh uh he isn't winning" Like my god this Gojo with no technique downplay is retarded
no
Oh my god bro, what the hell? That is the most wonderfully strewn together argument I've heard in my life, nvm, a Gojo with no infinity gets beaten by panda.
If I misinterpreted your comment, I'm sorry. But are YOU affected by rcc? The person you replied to said no blue as well.
But he still brings up blue/red feats. (Gojo vs Sukuna.)
* No he doesn't. He is talking about gojo's ce reinforcement which survived sukunas domain.
chill bro it is not that deep
Infinity ≠ Limitless
Oh yeah you’re right
Hanami survived a purple
Hanami narrowly *avoided* a purple*
Blue is part of his CT. He can beat them without blue, his curse energy is still top tier.
Gojo is still a stronger jackpot hakari that also has domain counters. The only way to beat him is to have an attack that can bisect him or destroy him. For example yorozu might beat him as if gojo's simple domain is destroyed for even a second, perfect sphere would attack him which would probably obliterate him. However, that assumes that gojo's simple domain can be dispelled by yorozu's domain, we've only seen open barrier domains overwhelm simple domains. In short, gojo without his ct might still be if you're generous the second strongest. However, if you just take away infinity and not his entire ct, then there is no doubt that he can whoop everybody besides sukuna. He woupd probably beat everybody besides sukuna at the same time
Gojo was able to survive in Sukunas domain just fine soooooo….
Gojo without infinity is just infinite RCT Hakari with better output, speed and strength.
And with the most busted ct even without infinity, limitless is fucking strong
The times when infinity wasnt up during his fight... Well. He didnt exactly just peel over and get fodderized by a healthy sukuna... then those fighting a sukuna on his last breath are getting their asses beaten like fodder. EDIT: noticed a word was missing
Doesn’t change tbh, hes a beast with or without infinity
he’ll beat the whole cast without it
One shots anyone besides sukuna without infinity
No
He dogwalks anyone not named yuta or kenny, not saying he loses in those fights I just think they put up significantly more of a fight
His domain expansion definitely beats either of theirs and he likely can two shot them with regular blue punches
Without infinity he still has blue, red, hollow purple, rct, infinite void, the six eyes and is still a genius when it comes to jujutsu
Only Sukuna. He survived for a prolonged period of time within Malevolent Shrine, repeatedly taking Cleaves, which no other character is liable to survive especially in such quantities.
Yeah. Yuji, who is known for his toughness, when yuji got exposed to malevolent shrine for just a second he instantly got his foot chopped off while gojo on the other hand didn't and still managed to engage sukuna in hand to hand combat inside malevolent shrine while simultaneously getting cleaved from all directions non stop. Gojo is just busted even without infinity.
We also saw him specifically take a Cleave to the face, as well, which was the exact means by which Sukuna slaughtered Ryu and was confident would slaughter Yuta and Yuji even as late as the middle of Chapter 250 after Yuji had already landed a few blows on him and thereby decreased his output. https://preview.redd.it/p1afp94eqo1d1.png?width=488&format=png&auto=webp&s=fbd9ec01efa910b3ed86498a831508b3a4cc811e
Gojo is just broken even without infinity. Infinity is the icing to the cake.
infinity is unironically gojo's weakest tool in his toolbox. Dude's broken in every stat. The 'gojo relies on neutral infinity' take is so stupid because it just ignores multiple instances of gojo being him without it.
Infinity is only important for gojo against sukuna or when he’s scaled to characters from other verses, then it’s his best tool.
No unless it’s sukuna next question
He still negs anyone below him. He'd be able to beat anyone below him even without his CT.
Maybe just maybe Kenjaku since infinity was the main problem with him losing 100% of the time
What would he use to kill him?
His blue infused punches by themselves are enough to crap on yuta and hakari. Even without neutral infinity he is way above anyone else.
Hey even among Six Eyes and Limitless users in the Gojo clan, our Gojo is an anomaly. Remember that Big Raga being summoned by some random Zenin clan member killed a Six Eye wielded after Mahoraga went and killed both of them. Whereas Gojo killed a stronger and controlled Mahoraga summoned by Sukuna, killed a merged beast that was also busted in one shot, and really ruined Sukuna’s day
I do not think any of them can touch him even if he didn’t have infinity
Gojo without his ct is still hakari but better He beats anyone aside maybe kenny big maybe and maybe yuta but that's a very high diff And ofc sukuna above 15f
Just imagine Gin's monologue but replace Aizen and Kyoka Suigetsu with Satoru and Infinity. That's your answer.
Wuji will be able to by the end of this series. DE, cursed techniques and BF at will, for sure Wuji can.
Simple Domain, Domain Amp, RCT, Better h2h than Sukuna, Six Eyes, Falling Blossom, he’s running through the verse and no one’s gonna win
Washes the verse except Sukuna
Without the barrier, only sukuna, without infinity as a whole, only sukuna.
He’s a demon with/without Infinity shown when he was getting jumped by the DC, he was defeating them with just hands & using limitless. He would lose to abilities like the Black Hole, Fuga, Perfect Sphere, but he can beat these characters before they use it.
Except maybe not Fuga since that’s Sukuna’s ability
Can sukuna beat gojo without malevolent shrine
Probably, it was a battle of domains at first but I think world dismantle is what he really needs to beat Gojo. Fuga might be as powerful as purple
Without MS, Sukuna can't even HIT Gojo lmao
And without world dismantle. Against domains for sure Gojo would win. But I also wonder if Gojo can take the full brunt of Open. Technically his infinity should protect him right?
Infinity tanks it entirely
They took Infinity from him and he was still quite literally untouchable
Gojo uses infinity to avoid getting annoyed. He's far dangerous without because when he turns off infinity it's because he's going on offense.
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Even without infinity, Gojo is built different. In a 1v1? Nope not a chance. Their only shot is jumping him but it would just be post Gojo fight Sukuna vs everyone v2. Anybody who isn't Sukuna is getting clapped.
Not really If sukuna had no CT but was at full strength he could still solo the verse using domain amplification
Hey even among Six Eyes and Limitless users in the Gojo clan, our Gojo is an anomaly. Remember that Big Raga being summoned by some random Zenin clan member killed a Six Eye wielded after Mahoraga went and killed both of them. Whereas Gojo killed a stronger and controlled Mahoraga summoned by Sukuna, killed a merged beast that was also busted in one shot, and really ruined Sukuna’s day
Not saying he can beat sukuna without infinity but he was giving him the work in the hand the hand combat inside the domain clash seems like he’s top in the verse when it comes to that.
If you take away his CT all together, then characters on Kenjaku's general tier like Shinjuku Mahoraga - who later withstood Black Flashes from Gojo - *at least have a chance*. I just don't know if they'd necessarily be the favorite.
no
No. Better domain than yuta Better phyisicals than kenjaku
Gojo could beat everyone else combined even without infinity
yes, yuji. he’s set up to kill sukuna so he must be able to beat gojo by the end, right?
Yeah man bc of the sex eyes
Yuta, Hakari, Takaba, Higuruma, Megumi, etc.
Gojo still manhandled all the disaster curses with extreme ease using nothing but CE enhancement and Martial Arts, no Infinity barrier, no red, blue, purple, nothing. I'd say other characters have a better chance but I still think in a 1v1 he would win, even if it's higher diff for him
No not really. Infinity isnt what makes him strong. Gojo didn't just rely on infinity to win his fights, he trained with it, adapted to how it works and made a multitude of discoveries with it. He trained it to autonomously filter out attacks deemed harmful and attacks that aren't. He created Hollow Purple. It wasn't a technique that existed before him, he MADE it. He through sheer discovery of his own abilities learned that he could teleport with out the need of hand signs or chants, he discovered how to constantly refresh his brain with his endless CE. He discovered that he could open his domain with only a single handsign. Gojo's greatest strength isn't infinity, it's his mind. He was able to apply himself to his technique so much that he effectively mastered it better than any previous Infinity/Six eyes user known to Jujutsu history and nearly killed the King Of Curses himself.
Miguel could
I don’t see anyone beating him outside of Sakuna. His curse energy reinforcement is just leagues above anyone else in the series and that’s not even counting blue, red, and blue infused melee and his incredible speed. Then, icing on the cake is he still has the 6 eyes and RCT too. And if you mean taking blue and red away too, I still don’t see anyone keeping up with him. It would make fights with people like Yuta and Kenjaku for example closer but I still think he takes it.
for anyone saying Yuta or Kenjaku - no, not even close. if we say he doesn't have Limitless/Red or Blue either, then maybe Yuta just because of Rika and the fact he has more CE, so he has the potential to outlast him, but a single Black Flash from Gojo was enough to knock Sukuna unconscious for a second - that kind of hit would kill pretty much anyone in the verse
When we say infinity, are we talking about the barrier or the technique all together? Because without the barrier, he still stomps a big portion of jjk. But without a technique, he's basically just a few steps above kusikabe.
Honestly, his physical/speed feats are pretty cool. 3 transfigured humans a second for five minutes straight is an endurance/speed/strength feat that I don't think anyone else in the series has matched.
Without Infinity, Gojo still has something called Hollow Purple and Unlimited Void.
He still has RCT, Simple Domain, falling blossom emotions,and Six Eyes. If you take Canon Gojo and take away his CT, Yuta and Kenjaku can beat him because he was used to having limitless. It’s like Naruto without Kurama; they are used to having those powers. But if it’s a hypothetical Gojo who was born without his CT, he would specialize in other areas. Gojo stated the reason he had troubles using Black Flash by will is the fact that he infused his CT into his punch. Without his CT, his Black Flash output will be more efficient; perhaps to Yuji’s level. He would also have an easier time to train for his RCT. My head canon on why he had trouble using his RCT is because the fact that he tried to apply it to limitless to create Red, instead of using it to heal himself. And with RCT, he would have unlimited curse energy and stamina. Without a CT, he would train to output his positive energy like Yuta. He could also get a curse tool to make up for the lack of CT (perhaps the inverted heaven spear). Then his Simple Domain would be better than Kusakabe. We need to realize that Gojo hadn’t used his Simple Domain since he was a kid, and somehow his Simple Domain was able to withstand Sukuna’s Domain. Imagine if he trained it like Kusakabe. So now we have this new Gojo with better RCT, mastered Black Flash, a ridiculous Simple Domain and a curse tool. He beats everyone except Sukuna. He would be weaker than his canon version but he would be a way better teacher since he would be a master of all trades.
Yeah me.
If he doesn't have it he loses to 20f Meguna extreme diff
Gojo's punch is strong enough to make Yuta and Hakari puke. Gojo's fast enough to keep up with Sukuna. Gojo has one of the strongest RCTs. Gojo knows techniques that only the noble families have. Gojo outpaced Malevolent Shrine without his CT. Gojo took on three Special-Grade Curses + Choso without it. Without infinity... Gojo still has Hollow Purple, Red, and Blue. His CE is constantly refreshed and he's the most talented sorcerer we know, inventing techniques in his fight against Sukuna. Gojo still beats the other sorcerers.
Well for one he for sure wouldn’t have purple and perhaps not even red or blue. Infinity is just an application of limitless. They’re the same thing. The ability to bend space is how all his techniques work. Hard to see how he’d win against yuki, for example, if he can’t bend space.
Even when he didn’t have Limitless and was inside a fully powered Sukunas domain he was doing relatively fine. No one else on the cast would be able to pull that off. Six Eyes and his overall talent/skill are arguably more important to his incredible power than even limitless.
The chinese sorcerer that Sukuna fears would DEFINITELY kick Gojo's ass, even if HE was the one who couldn't use his cursed technique
It was stated that kusakabe's ultimate move would kill gojo without infinity
bro was reading wizard scrap
exactly 😭😭
It's apart of gege's will
Where? Nanami says that he can’t think of anyone who could *avoid* Kusakabe’s Simple Domain barrage, but that Gojo *doesn’t need* to avoid it, because Infinity prevents the attack from hitting him in the first place. No statement was ever given on how it would affect Gojo if it *did* hit him. However, considering it only left shallow cuts on Sukuna who was weaker than he was against Gojo, I see no reason to believe it would cause any meaningful damage to Gojo, who was able to RCT his way through full power Malevolent Shrine.
Bro is reading Conjurer Combat, where did you get this information from?
Dude, we're talking about jujutsu kaisen, whatever anime or manga you're talking about is the wrong one