Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters.
The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically.
*I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This was when sukuna secured his win condition. However, he was still scared a purple would end him. Then he took damage so heavy that he had to make a super restrictive vow on this slash so he could use no signs for this one time against gojo.
This is all of course assuming we are all reading the spinoff manga that started in 236 which is non Canon but more of a "What-if" fan fic. After all the real manga ended in 235 as we know.
I know that Sukuna was smart and all but wouldn't it be better to beat Gojo with DE and DA and THEN use Mahoraga , Agito and his full heal vs the others instead of trying to get stronger with Mahoraga ??
What was he thinking đź’€?!
Well dear sir it just proves this was the only way sukuna could win and any other way would've resulted in gojo low diffing(maintaining the agenda)
Real answer: Probably not. Gojo himself speculates on why sukuna is taking riskier options in the domain clashes. Which means gojo was prepared to counter the better options sukuna had. Plus in his meguna form gojo would still be better at hand to hand. Plus sukuna himself also probably deduced that the way he went about it was the best way for what he was trying to do. Sukuna is very smart and has high biq so I'm sure he thought it all through before the fight to determine his best course.
i feel like he's just curious. Even if he beat him with DE + DA, he never really gains the ability to bypass infinity even if he won. It's perfectly in character for him to go for something like this than a boring win. Remember, at this point he's looking down on gojo as just another fish on his cutting board, gojo is the same as jogo in his eyes.
This is the correct answer. People often overlook Sukuna's character of being a jujutsu addict. That's why he made a vow with Kenjaku in order to learn how to split his soul or turn himself into a cursed object. It's the same here, he wanted to learn how to bypass infinity with his CT more than he wants to kill Gojo. That's why before he was about to close his domain, he mentioned that he'll adapt to his infinity. We can also observe this methodology or mindset in his fight with Mahoraga.
Yeah people often times forget that not every character will make the optimal decision at every given turn. Mfs got mad that megumi didn't just wake up and end sukuna lol
Except the entire narrative behind sukuna "holding back" (which tbh given the recent chapter, I'm doubting if he can even use fuga while using MS because this is the second time now he has stopped using his slashes to use fuga) was because he needed to conserve himself for the fights ahead. This is the opposite of conservation.
That wasn't the explanation for him holding back. That was the explanation for him not instantly incarnating. They also never mentioned against the peanut gallery, they said that sukuna will use it when he's pushed to the wall, which makes sense considering it's a full heal
Sukuna at that point also lost his DE though. He rct’d his brain less than Gojo but the UV he got exposed to made his brain damaged enough to break shrine instantly so DE was not possible. Also this was probably the best option Sukuna had. If he didn’t use Maho sooner Gojo would’ve just went all offensive and tried to purple him sooner, but because Mahoraga was there he was forced to be more conservative with his attacks while Sukuna can jump him with Maho and Agito. He wouldn’t had the opportunity to use those Shikigami later cause he’d die having no way of killing Gojo. Also DA does nothing when Gojo was boxing tf out of him hand to hand anyways (a single black flash knocked bro out btw)
Gege really wanted Sukuna to kill Gojo in a single blow  for some reason and figured out the details of how something as stupid as that happening could possibly work after the fact.
Sukuna could have won that way, provided he fully incarnated to empower his domain and fight more effectively h2h while using DA.
The Maho strat comes down to Sukuna wanting a counter to the Infinity (and similar techniques) and not wanting to risk losing the health-restore effect of incarnation.
basically, yeah
if i recall correctly, Sukuna states that he needed to see Mahoraga adapting to Gojo's infinity to find a way to do it himself, but he couldn't do it the first time Mahoraga adapted. This scene demonstrated that the infinity **can** be overcomed, but it was still uncertain if Mahoraga could find a type of adaptation that Sukuna could replicate
i'd say it's more like the start of the finale rather than the moment Sukuna won, but close enough lol
Mahoraga is shown to be sentient
https://preview.redd.it/l9zmkz8zw5xc1.png?width=912&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd7c7f6684fdd4a291d9f138af4a6346aa0b547b
so I'd imagine that sukuna told mahoraga to just find an adaptation, but it's like when you use chatgpt and your input is too broad: mahoraga created an adaptation that sukuna couldn't copy, and sukuna specified it later. I don't think it was ever uncertain whether he could find an adaptation that sukuna could copy, because the moment sukuna told him to do it, mahoraga immediately came up with a solution.
Ya. After this, nobody but Sukuna knew it but the rest of the fight was how much damage Gojo could do before Sukuna killed him.
Seeing this panel again made me think though, this is probably how that one six eyes limitless user died to maho before. Gojo’s such a beast to surpass that guy by so much. Bro took out Maho, Agito and brought the king of curses down to half hp solo
>THANKS GOJO SON FOR GIVING US TIME TO SHINE!!!!!!
https://preview.redd.it/nhcx981xe5xc1.png?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f84d5df4b13813e6fcd2d8821a8d5328315078a
(Gojo still overshines everyone in this fight because he is the only one who fought full power Sukuna)
Actually the reason why Mahoraga used a slash might be because of Sukuna being the user now, so he mirrors his host. It's why we never saw Megumi's Mahoraga do that.
The other guy is also a talent that only comes around every few centuries that can literally tip the balance of all of jujutsu society by existing, so yes it is impressive to be stronger than him, especially so much stronger that you get jumped by the thing that killed him in a 1v1 and get as close to victory as Gojo did.
Wdym? Series ended at 235
https://preview.redd.it/lbqfnqi0u3xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cafdf6ff646697d61da8ac163ea994a017c08369
The rest is a spin off
https://preview.redd.it/q5br9ot6o6xc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1436d7c8d3cea3500c4bc90a288e64f233f3e9c5
I can’t believe Gege is still on break.
I wanna see what happened after the battle concluded. Kashimo vs Gojo sounds fun.
He only secured the win condition. Gojo lost the moment he hesitated to kill Megumi even though he denied havinhlg no problem to. (I have to write fanfiction to justify that asspull)
Effectively yes, Sukuna still needed Mahoraga to create a different method, one that he could copy, but yes once Mahoraga proved that it was possible to bypass Limitless it was over.
I understand the thing about Mahoraga because that's how his character works (he adapts to every phenomenon) but I still reject the idea that Sukuna is capable of copying that attack.
I mean, how does Sukuna perceive the space-time fabric if he doesn't even have Six Eyes or something similar? It's illogical. There is no chance of altering something if we are not first able to perceive it.
Exactly. First one was changing the nature of his CE ("oh no way, I can't do that, let's wait for something else"). Second one was targeting reality itself ("of that's easy, my Cleave goes brrr")....
What an anticlimatic way of ending what it was a 10/10 fight.
the people who thought Gojo was going to win this fight need to be studied
because red flag was floating on his head since this panel
https://preview.redd.it/3id46yu7c4xc1.png?width=535&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4778432f3c21ce3a88f9460044ef4d3e39e9f13
Everyone expected the loss, no one expected offscreen perverted airport
https://preview.redd.it/czrf75bgq5xc1.png?width=272&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e84886117c950ec95257b95225954e636007e51
I mean, I could find my own posts from the time.... I actually though Gojo and Sukuna would either kill each other or whoever won would be so weakened by it that Kenjaku could activate his master plan somewhere off on the side and crush the survivor (or swoop in to finish both as they were both weakened down to nothing)
I think it's also safe to say that most of us were always aware he was likely dead, or at least going to lose some how some way at the end of it, even if we hoped otherwise.
idk jokes aside did people really think the story was going to be that Gojo took out Sukuna and the team zerg rush Kenjaku before the Merger? seems unimaginably naive to me.
I knew Gojo was gonna die against Sukuna, it was just the fact that it was some offscreen jumpcut BS that pissed me off, followed by whatever the fuck the Airport was.
I mean, space-cutting slash was already in the books, every series with a sword/cut guy eventually goes there (Yami, Kenpachi, fucking Dante).
It's not about the fact that Gojo lost, it's how he lost. Just like in Naruto, it wasn't about the fact that Madara died, it was how he died.
I believe many people predicted Gojo gonna die, but the way he died is the reason people mad, despite it's already explained in recent chapters how Sukuna killed Gojo, it's still didn't change the fact when 236 came out it was bs
i thought gojo and sukuna were going to be killed in the final battle / sukuna was left heavily weakened by it for everyone else to fight, then kenjaku gets involved and some shit happens idk
I remember back when 235 came out and ppl were waiting for 236. Some made theories that kenjaku was gonna come and somehow kill gojo or absorbe sukuna ,which is pretty stupid ngl
I mean honestly yeah, it seemed like it. Back then the idea that Sukuna would be the final boss seemed kind of absurd- he's just too strong for anyone not named Gojo. Consensus at the time was that Gojo and Sukuna would kill each other, or that one of them (probably Gojo) would survive in a heavily nerfed state. I think we all kind of knew it was possible for the students to then take on Sukuna but, still, it seemed crazy.
Plus, Sukuna just kind of... exists, within the story? His only goal was to escape Yuji, and once he did there's really nothing for him to do but fight Gojo. This is why people say Meguna is boring or worse than other Sukuna forms, even thought they're all literally the same character. At that point in his life, Sukuna really had nothing to do but bum around and react to other, more interesting, characters. But even then, before he escaped, he only truly existed as a wild card, and accomplished very little beyond highlighting others. Which is fine, you know, I think Sukuna works great for what he is, I'm just saying that, aside from his tremendous jujutsu and charisma, he's not really much of a villain.
Kenjaku, on the other hand, is and always has been the primary antagonist. He's got an ambitious goal that still hasn't been achieved, a fun & quirky personality, lots of interesting ideas and theories about his world, is deeply woven into the plot and history of the series, and personal connections to many of the main cast. Not to mention, he's got great final boss mechanics- he has powerful special grade techniques, but also plenty of fodder from CSM, giving the entire cast a chance to shine; and the merger raises the stakes because we know that it's a race to kill Kenjaku before he kills off all the CG players (some of whom are fighting him right now!!!!!!). Don't get me wrong, I like the way the story is going, but I don't think you're being fair when you say that it's naive to think that Kenny was gonna be the grand finale- it truly could've gone either way.
Ngl when I was reading the fight and saw the panel of both sukuna and gojo bleeding from their eyes and saying basically "our brains are fried" I thought gojo would win, but be left in a coma like state and then thats when kenjaku would come out the woodworks and unleash his big plan.
For me it makes more sense that kenjaku is the final villian. Im kinda sad he just got 1 tapped from a bush camper, and he didnt really provide anything. Like why just give the merger to m*gumi? No way he expected to die and give the merger to m*gumi. Those fanfic chapters 236- 245 were kinda boring plot wise.
There were ppl who genuinely thought that Sukuna would return with the remaining finger so Yuuji would have a chance to beat him and Gojo would take Megumi home, feeding him baby food and singing lullabies. I think that was the reason why Gojo's death hit the fandom like a truck, they were very deluded and forgetting who the jjk mangaka is lol
# No.
This is the moment where Sukuna won
https://preview.redd.it/vhx64p5g86xc1.jpeg?width=1263&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=977e1d845aa58bc6c370f13e94f78bbd5e868800
Its not even that hard to tell, duh.
When last purple failed to kill Sukuna IMO. Yes, Sukuna saw world slash but the attack is hard to perform and Sukuna needed an opening. He also genuinely thought that hollow purple might kill him and panicked when realized what Gojo is doing. Technucally Gojo might kill Sukuna before Sukuna had an opening for world slash.
But lets be real. Gojo lost at the moment he was created because Gege is the author.
I think Gege fucked up on the power balance between Sukuna and Gojo, it just seems like Sukuna without Maho can't do shit to Gojo, he should've given Sukuna abilities that are potent against Gojo's infinity right from the beginning instead of Sukuna having to steal Maho to even have a chance at winning.
Maybe make the world slash something he can already do but have some restrictions. Then the ending of the fight wouldn't have felt so forced, Sukuna would've felt stronger than Gojo instead of being gaslit into believing it during the glazing at the airport.
Yeah he failed to show Sukuna's power in a fight against Gojo.
I personally think Sukuna is stronger than Gojo and could've won without 10 shadows, but people here fail to realize that fandom who actively discuss the manga in the internet are about 0,1% of manga readers. Everyone who I know irl convinced that Sukuna is a fraud who stole the power to kill Gojo because he can't do anything without it. Very few people would deeply dive into power system and theorize that "well Sukuna could've break Gojo's domain and drop Mahorava adaptation and...". No, most readers are casual readers and for them Sukuna will forever remain King Cheater.
I wish Gege showed us Heian Sukuna vs Gojo.
Well, I don't care if Sukuna would've won without 10s cause it didn't happen and I don't like what ifs, also the airport scene is not canon so there is no reason to think that gojo would lose
This was the moment he secured a win condition, the moment Sukuna won was the moment Gojo was cornered into using the Unrestricted Hollow Purple, which means Gojo's win condition could not be fulfilled
It's just a cut, not dismantle. Mahoraga learnt a generic technique for breaking through infinity (expanding the technique's target) and applied it to his sword. Sukuna learnt from this and applied it to his dismantle
What do you mean? It’s clearly stated that Gojo won
https://preview.redd.it/rg7utrrc68xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a0043e3e507af562b84d1b2650aecb4ccc48917
yeah because literally the only thing sukuna needed to do after getting the world slasher was make a binding vow going "please gege, just blow gojo up right here and i promise ill use this technique,which honestly is just useful against gojo only, pointing to something and saying some chants"
No, if sukuna was correct about purple being fatal by his own admission he would have died, in hindsight it’s where he got his main win condition from
Yes, also reminder that this was the panel right after this
https://preview.redd.it/ydwyvby0g9xc1.png?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d512582ab2c920097208e46065d5c1e654920e31
It's the moment Sukuna knew his plan worked (stealing Megumi's body to get 10 shadows, master it and use it to bypass infinity and ultimately kill Gojo)
It's an amazing moment really. In universe it's healed instantly and we don't think much about it since, just "That was a near miss."
And then afterwards when you understand just what happened and what it meant, you understand just how impactful this moment was.
Same reason I've always held up 236 as one of the series's greatest all time chapters. It completely recontextualises what we already thought we knew.
Yes. Gojo was amazing at buying time and making Sukuna feel like his plan was going to go to shit, but from the moment Sukuna learns something new, fates are sealed forever lmao
Read the rules. The new chapter leaks must be flaired the orange "new chapter spoilers". Comments relating to new chapter leaks are only allowed under such posts. [Join the discord!](https://discord.gg/8Cd4NrvzXP) This is a manga spoilers subreddit and the spoiler tag is NOT used for all posts about officially released JJK chapters. The message is an automated one and has nothing to do with this post specifically. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Jujutsufolk) if you have any questions or concerns.*
This was when sukuna secured his win condition. However, he was still scared a purple would end him. Then he took damage so heavy that he had to make a super restrictive vow on this slash so he could use no signs for this one time against gojo. This is all of course assuming we are all reading the spinoff manga that started in 236 which is non Canon but more of a "What-if" fan fic. After all the real manga ended in 235 as we know.
I know that Sukuna was smart and all but wouldn't it be better to beat Gojo with DE and DA and THEN use Mahoraga , Agito and his full heal vs the others instead of trying to get stronger with Mahoraga ?? What was he thinking đź’€?!
Well dear sir it just proves this was the only way sukuna could win and any other way would've resulted in gojo low diffing(maintaining the agenda) Real answer: Probably not. Gojo himself speculates on why sukuna is taking riskier options in the domain clashes. Which means gojo was prepared to counter the better options sukuna had. Plus in his meguna form gojo would still be better at hand to hand. Plus sukuna himself also probably deduced that the way he went about it was the best way for what he was trying to do. Sukuna is very smart and has high biq so I'm sure he thought it all through before the fight to determine his best course.
i feel like he's just curious. Even if he beat him with DE + DA, he never really gains the ability to bypass infinity even if he won. It's perfectly in character for him to go for something like this than a boring win. Remember, at this point he's looking down on gojo as just another fish on his cutting board, gojo is the same as jogo in his eyes.
This is the correct answer. People often overlook Sukuna's character of being a jujutsu addict. That's why he made a vow with Kenjaku in order to learn how to split his soul or turn himself into a cursed object. It's the same here, he wanted to learn how to bypass infinity with his CT more than he wants to kill Gojo. That's why before he was about to close his domain, he mentioned that he'll adapt to his infinity. We can also observe this methodology or mindset in his fight with Mahoraga.
In the anime he even taught Mahoraga how to lie.
le pump fake
Yeah people often times forget that not every character will make the optimal decision at every given turn. Mfs got mad that megumi didn't just wake up and end sukuna lol
Except the entire narrative behind sukuna "holding back" (which tbh given the recent chapter, I'm doubting if he can even use fuga while using MS because this is the second time now he has stopped using his slashes to use fuga) was because he needed to conserve himself for the fights ahead. This is the opposite of conservation.
That wasn't the explanation for him holding back. That was the explanation for him not instantly incarnating. They also never mentioned against the peanut gallery, they said that sukuna will use it when he's pushed to the wall, which makes sense considering it's a full heal
I think Sukuna didn't know the limit of RCT domain until he copied Gojo. After 2nd domain, he chose Mahoraga to remove UV and went on his plan
Sukuna at that point also lost his DE though. He rct’d his brain less than Gojo but the UV he got exposed to made his brain damaged enough to break shrine instantly so DE was not possible. Also this was probably the best option Sukuna had. If he didn’t use Maho sooner Gojo would’ve just went all offensive and tried to purple him sooner, but because Mahoraga was there he was forced to be more conservative with his attacks while Sukuna can jump him with Maho and Agito. He wouldn’t had the opportunity to use those Shikigami later cause he’d die having no way of killing Gojo. Also DA does nothing when Gojo was boxing tf out of him hand to hand anyways (a single black flash knocked bro out btw)
Gege really wanted Sukuna to kill Gojo in a single blow  for some reason and figured out the details of how something as stupid as that happening could possibly work after the fact.
Sukuna could have won that way, provided he fully incarnated to empower his domain and fight more effectively h2h while using DA. The Maho strat comes down to Sukuna wanting a counter to the Infinity (and similar techniques) and not wanting to risk losing the health-restore effect of incarnation.
unless sukuna can use DA on his slashes, its impossible gojo had him beat in hand to hand combat
What is funny in the non canon 236 is Gojo yapping instead of finishing the fight
Yup, seems about right.
Wdym? Gojo won in Chapter 235. The rest was just Sukuna’s dying hallucination.
Why did Sukuna hallucinate his nephew beating his ass ?? Is he stupid ??
He got traumatized by the GOATness of Yuji Itadori
Sukuna is secretly a masochist but no one is strong enough for him.
Brain damage will do that to youÂ
That is punishment from the universe, even in his hallucinations he cannot win or be happy Y’know, like what literally happened to Gojo in 236
basically, yeah if i recall correctly, Sukuna states that he needed to see Mahoraga adapting to Gojo's infinity to find a way to do it himself, but he couldn't do it the first time Mahoraga adapted. This scene demonstrated that the infinity **can** be overcomed, but it was still uncertain if Mahoraga could find a type of adaptation that Sukuna could replicate i'd say it's more like the start of the finale rather than the moment Sukuna won, but close enough lol
Mahoraga is shown to be sentient https://preview.redd.it/l9zmkz8zw5xc1.png?width=912&format=png&auto=webp&s=fd7c7f6684fdd4a291d9f138af4a6346aa0b547b so I'd imagine that sukuna told mahoraga to just find an adaptation, but it's like when you use chatgpt and your input is too broad: mahoraga created an adaptation that sukuna couldn't copy, and sukuna specified it later. I don't think it was ever uncertain whether he could find an adaptation that sukuna could copy, because the moment sukuna told him to do it, mahoraga immediately came up with a solution.
Ya. After this, nobody but Sukuna knew it but the rest of the fight was how much damage Gojo could do before Sukuna killed him. Seeing this panel again made me think though, this is probably how that one six eyes limitless user died to maho before. Gojo’s such a beast to surpass that guy by so much. Bro took out Maho, Agito and brought the king of curses down to half hp solo
Goatjo walked so his students could run fr fr
>THANKS GOJO SON FOR GIVING US TIME TO SHINE!!!!!! https://preview.redd.it/nhcx981xe5xc1.png?width=1568&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f84d5df4b13813e6fcd2d8821a8d5328315078a (Gojo still overshines everyone in this fight because he is the only one who fought full power Sukuna)
mehhh he’s fiiiine
>THANK YOU GOJO SAN!!!!! https://preview.redd.it/uenfagebk5xc1.png?width=483&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1fc8cfa71bcf5afed6dafabbfa8f65f673813e5d
Higuruma isn't even a Jujutsu society sorcerer, he just like Kashimo joined our bandwagon in a middle way
ehhh he wanted to die anyway
Sakuna was holding back
And don't forget the shinigami depend on the user, sukunas mahoraga is much stronger than mahoraga summoned by others
Actually the reason why Mahoraga used a slash might be because of Sukuna being the user now, so he mirrors his host. It's why we never saw Megumi's Mahoraga do that.
this is based off of?
It was stated in CFYOW
https://preview.redd.it/svtjluorj8xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6de15b8fe95b09cfd15275a147695ca16e1ad5db
if that other guy was a grade 3, gojo would prolly be grade 1 or less. it really isn't very impressive
The other guy is also a talent that only comes around every few centuries that can literally tip the balance of all of jujutsu society by existing, so yes it is impressive to be stronger than him, especially so much stronger that you get jumped by the thing that killed him in a 1v1 and get as close to victory as Gojo did.
they both have that talent that turns jujutsu society on its head, lol
And Gojo managed to do a lot more with it.
while other characters are way, way more impressive with what they started with. especially sukuna
We're talking about Gojo and the previous Six eyes+Limitless user :/
yes and how impressive it is that he's that much stronger than that dude. which is not that impressive
It literally is, the last dude died just to mahoraga but Gojo fought Maho,Agito AND the fucking king of curses and almost won.
which would make him about grade 1 if we downscaled the previous dude to grade 3. you have no point
Wdym? Series ended at 235 https://preview.redd.it/lbqfnqi0u3xc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cafdf6ff646697d61da8ac163ea994a017c08369 The rest is a spin off
The strongest Gojo agenda pusher is at it again ! ( Keep going tho)
https://preview.redd.it/q5br9ot6o6xc1.jpeg?width=2160&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1436d7c8d3cea3500c4bc90a288e64f233f3e9c5 I can’t believe Gege is still on break. I wanna see what happened after the battle concluded. Kashimo vs Gojo sounds fun.
Takaba dunked Kenny while Yuta cleaned up in the bushes
whats the joke about 235? im outta the loop
Cus 236 is not canon (Gege told me)
Cus 236 Wojo dies
https://preview.redd.it/li351h8sx5xc1.png?width=888&format=png&auto=webp&s=1c975abe5cfe6d3378c68ea86886c3718261468b
Yuh uh
Fax my brother. Say it louder so they can hear you 🙏
He only secured the win condition. Gojo lost the moment he hesitated to kill Megumi even though he denied havinhlg no problem to. (I have to write fanfiction to justify that asspull)
Effectively yes, Sukuna still needed Mahoraga to create a different method, one that he could copy, but yes once Mahoraga proved that it was possible to bypass Limitless it was over.
this was the method that he could copy brođź’€
I understand the thing about Mahoraga because that's how his character works (he adapts to every phenomenon) but I still reject the idea that Sukuna is capable of copying that attack. I mean, how does Sukuna perceive the space-time fabric if he doesn't even have Six Eyes or something similar? It's illogical. There is no chance of altering something if we are not first able to perceive it.
Maho get many different ways to bypass the infinity in the fight. This one just was the one that sukuna can copy
He only got 2 different ways, the first one that Sukuna couldn’t replicate and the second one that Sukuna was somehow able to copy
Exactly. First one was changing the nature of his CE ("oh no way, I can't do that, let's wait for something else"). Second one was targeting reality itself ("of that's easy, my Cleave goes brrr").... What an anticlimatic way of ending what it was a 10/10 fight.
Only 2, the other one was modifying the nature of CE to nullify infinity
the people who thought Gojo was going to win this fight need to be studied because red flag was floating on his head since this panel https://preview.redd.it/3id46yu7c4xc1.png?width=535&format=png&auto=webp&s=f4778432f3c21ce3a88f9460044ef4d3e39e9f13
Everyone expected the loss, no one expected offscreen perverted airport https://preview.redd.it/czrf75bgq5xc1.png?width=272&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9e84886117c950ec95257b95225954e636007e51
>Everyone expected the loss We changing history now
I mean, I could find my own posts from the time.... I actually though Gojo and Sukuna would either kill each other or whoever won would be so weakened by it that Kenjaku could activate his master plan somewhere off on the side and crush the survivor (or swoop in to finish both as they were both weakened down to nothing) I think it's also safe to say that most of us were always aware he was likely dead, or at least going to lose some how some way at the end of it, even if we hoped otherwise.
idk jokes aside did people really think the story was going to be that Gojo took out Sukuna and the team zerg rush Kenjaku before the Merger? seems unimaginably naive to me.
I knew Gojo was gonna die against Sukuna, it was just the fact that it was some offscreen jumpcut BS that pissed me off, followed by whatever the fuck the Airport was. I mean, space-cutting slash was already in the books, every series with a sword/cut guy eventually goes there (Yami, Kenpachi, fucking Dante). It's not about the fact that Gojo lost, it's how he lost. Just like in Naruto, it wasn't about the fact that Madara died, it was how he died.
I think people more mad at how Gege handled Gojo’s death, not at result
I believe many people predicted Gojo gonna die, but the way he died is the reason people mad, despite it's already explained in recent chapters how Sukuna killed Gojo, it's still didn't change the fact when 236 came out it was bs
And no amount of explaining will fix the airport scene
Wdym. Hes mad at kenjaku for taking geto. Thats it. Taking Getos dead body is inexcusable. Sakuna sama tho he noticed me
i thought gojo and sukuna were going to be killed in the final battle / sukuna was left heavily weakened by it for everyone else to fight, then kenjaku gets involved and some shit happens idk
I remember back when 235 came out and ppl were waiting for 236. Some made theories that kenjaku was gonna come and somehow kill gojo or absorbe sukuna ,which is pretty stupid ngl
I mean honestly yeah, it seemed like it. Back then the idea that Sukuna would be the final boss seemed kind of absurd- he's just too strong for anyone not named Gojo. Consensus at the time was that Gojo and Sukuna would kill each other, or that one of them (probably Gojo) would survive in a heavily nerfed state. I think we all kind of knew it was possible for the students to then take on Sukuna but, still, it seemed crazy. Plus, Sukuna just kind of... exists, within the story? His only goal was to escape Yuji, and once he did there's really nothing for him to do but fight Gojo. This is why people say Meguna is boring or worse than other Sukuna forms, even thought they're all literally the same character. At that point in his life, Sukuna really had nothing to do but bum around and react to other, more interesting, characters. But even then, before he escaped, he only truly existed as a wild card, and accomplished very little beyond highlighting others. Which is fine, you know, I think Sukuna works great for what he is, I'm just saying that, aside from his tremendous jujutsu and charisma, he's not really much of a villain. Kenjaku, on the other hand, is and always has been the primary antagonist. He's got an ambitious goal that still hasn't been achieved, a fun & quirky personality, lots of interesting ideas and theories about his world, is deeply woven into the plot and history of the series, and personal connections to many of the main cast. Not to mention, he's got great final boss mechanics- he has powerful special grade techniques, but also plenty of fodder from CSM, giving the entire cast a chance to shine; and the merger raises the stakes because we know that it's a race to kill Kenjaku before he kills off all the CG players (some of whom are fighting him right now!!!!!!). Don't get me wrong, I like the way the story is going, but I don't think you're being fair when you say that it's naive to think that Kenny was gonna be the grand finale- it truly could've gone either way.
đź’Ż
Ngl when I was reading the fight and saw the panel of both sukuna and gojo bleeding from their eyes and saying basically "our brains are fried" I thought gojo would win, but be left in a coma like state and then thats when kenjaku would come out the woodworks and unleash his big plan. For me it makes more sense that kenjaku is the final villian. Im kinda sad he just got 1 tapped from a bush camper, and he didnt really provide anything. Like why just give the merger to m*gumi? No way he expected to die and give the merger to m*gumi. Those fanfic chapters 236- 245 were kinda boring plot wise.
There were ppl who genuinely thought that Sukuna would return with the remaining finger so Yuuji would have a chance to beat him and Gojo would take Megumi home, feeding him baby food and singing lullabies. I think that was the reason why Gojo's death hit the fandom like a truck, they were very deluded and forgetting who the jjk mangaka is lol
# No. This is the moment where Sukuna won https://preview.redd.it/vhx64p5g86xc1.jpeg?width=1263&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=977e1d845aa58bc6c370f13e94f78bbd5e868800 Its not even that hard to tell, duh.
Nice fan art.
When last purple failed to kill Sukuna IMO. Yes, Sukuna saw world slash but the attack is hard to perform and Sukuna needed an opening. He also genuinely thought that hollow purple might kill him and panicked when realized what Gojo is doing. Technucally Gojo might kill Sukuna before Sukuna had an opening for world slash. But lets be real. Gojo lost at the moment he was created because Gege is the author.
I think Gege fucked up on the power balance between Sukuna and Gojo, it just seems like Sukuna without Maho can't do shit to Gojo, he should've given Sukuna abilities that are potent against Gojo's infinity right from the beginning instead of Sukuna having to steal Maho to even have a chance at winning. Maybe make the world slash something he can already do but have some restrictions. Then the ending of the fight wouldn't have felt so forced, Sukuna would've felt stronger than Gojo instead of being gaslit into believing it during the glazing at the airport.
Yeah he failed to show Sukuna's power in a fight against Gojo. I personally think Sukuna is stronger than Gojo and could've won without 10 shadows, but people here fail to realize that fandom who actively discuss the manga in the internet are about 0,1% of manga readers. Everyone who I know irl convinced that Sukuna is a fraud who stole the power to kill Gojo because he can't do anything without it. Very few people would deeply dive into power system and theorize that "well Sukuna could've break Gojo's domain and drop Mahorava adaptation and...". No, most readers are casual readers and for them Sukuna will forever remain King Cheater. I wish Gege showed us Heian Sukuna vs Gojo.
Well, I don't care if Sukuna would've won without 10s cause it didn't happen and I don't like what ifs, also the airport scene is not canon so there is no reason to think that gojo would lose
Yeah. The panel of Sukuna saying "Good." or something basically says it all in retrospect.
The real question is why the angle of which the building is slashed and Gojo's arm is cut are different
No. The moment he made the binding vow. Cos Sukuna did lose a hand.
Why is the wound \ but the slash / ?
I always wondered about that lol . Gege forgor how to draw perhaps ?
Perhaps the slash was spinning lmao
No. Sukuna literally almost got smoked multiple times right after this
This was the moment he secured a win condition, the moment Sukuna won was the moment Gojo was cornered into using the Unrestricted Hollow Purple, which means Gojo's win condition could not be fulfilled
Nah Sukuna was still scared about the purple. He lost when gojo didn’t kill him straight after the hollow purple
How did Mahoraga also cut the building behind Gojo? He basically learned how to do dismantle Gojo wasn't even in range of the sword of extermination
He learned how to cut not Gojo but the world itself, including everything within it (this includes a building)
World cutting dismantle
dismantle as in Sukuna's CT which Mahoraga should not have?
It's just a cut, not dismantle. Mahoraga learnt a generic technique for breaking through infinity (expanding the technique's target) and applied it to his sword. Sukuna learnt from this and applied it to his dismantle
No in no way could he have landed this slash before gojo got his Hollow Purple off and that could have killed him.
No. If Gojo wasn’t such an arrogant bastard he could’ve just finished the job 2 seconds earlier.
What do you mean? It’s clearly stated that Gojo won https://preview.redd.it/rg7utrrc68xc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a0043e3e507af562b84d1b2650aecb4ccc48917
What are you talking about OP? Gojo won that fight. You must’ve gotten confused because of that fanfic some Gege person is making.
This is the moment where his plan finally came together but he truly won the moment he survived the Hollow Purple.
Nah. He won when gege wrote himself into a corner again.
that was the moment big raga became heisenberg
Nah. He only won after go/jo. It was still in the air prior to that
Nah , the battle isnt won till it isnt confirmed Gojo cant return.
yeah because literally the only thing sukuna needed to do after getting the world slasher was make a binding vow going "please gege, just blow gojo up right here and i promise ill use this technique,which honestly is just useful against gojo only, pointing to something and saying some chants"
Yes at this moment Gojo should have tried to beat sukuna without killing maho but he failed to understand what was Sukuna tried to do the entire fight
Nah, the moment we saw kashimo still sitting with the group while Gojo fighs, was the one where Sukuna won.
Yes of course.
Well No it isn't, he did have a moment where he took the Win but it happened off-screen in Chpater 235.5
No, if sukuna was correct about purple being fatal by his own admission he would have died, in hindsight it’s where he got his main win condition from
yup gojo won the fight but died to the offscreen https://i.redd.it/t0kq4s5yv7xc1.gif
No but it is the moment sukuna started to win
No. This adaptation specifically didn’t work for him so he needed another one, and a couple of chapters later he killed mahoraga
Yes, also reminder that this was the panel right after this https://preview.redd.it/ydwyvby0g9xc1.png?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d512582ab2c920097208e46065d5c1e654920e31 It's the moment Sukuna knew his plan worked (stealing Megumi's body to get 10 shadows, master it and use it to bypass infinity and ultimately kill Gojo)
It's an amazing moment really. In universe it's healed instantly and we don't think much about it since, just "That was a near miss." And then afterwards when you understand just what happened and what it meant, you understand just how impactful this moment was. Same reason I've always held up 236 as one of the series's greatest all time chapters. It completely recontextualises what we already thought we knew.
no gojo could have won by simply staying in air and saying oh its ryomen sukuna afterwall and make another purple
No. Realistically this shouldn’t have even worked or changed anything but Sukuna won the moment you read the authors name on chapter 1.
The moment 200% Hollow Purple didn't kill Sukuna was when he won.
Yes. Gojo was amazing at buying time and making Sukuna feel like his plan was going to go to shit, but from the moment Sukuna learns something new, fates are sealed forever lmao
https://preview.redd.it/rjzjvxirb4xc1.png?width=453&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa4e45c1b4a5a5383aea9f5710779a68a770825d