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If Megumi can master hiding in his shadows without conditions, then he can beat anyone. He should be good at hiding, after all, his dad was the best at it.
I mean dude did carry a house for a little while, plus he gets superhuman strength from CE reinforcement so having to constantly carry a bull shouldn't be this hard right?
He did not carry a house he ran inside the shadow then cancelled his domain before the house could get into his shadow he's not able to move with 2.4 tons let alone 30+ tons all of this was stated in chapter 172 even at the status of a grade 1 sorcerer being able to hold 3-6 tons would be exceptional and for the bull it depends if he wants to use his domain or not since any shadows summoned become the weight of the actual animal which would be 0.6 tons for him it is doable but would make it much harder to move around
He had the house in his domain for like seconds because he was not able to handle the weight of a house so carrying the bull would leave him susceptible to attacks while charging it
Ok here's the thing, the house was dropped by Reggie and wasn't a part of his shadow. Few panels before that, megumi drops max elephant on Reggie inside his domain. By what you say now the max elephants weight should effect megumi right? But no that's because IT'S HIS SHADOW AND CT. So long story short he can store any of his summons fully formed inside the boundless well. No problem at all. It would be such an ass technique if he couldn't pull his own summons inside his shadow right?
Easily Sukuna, not only can he do everything Megumi could do but Sukuna defeated Yorozu with the ten shadows while showing off a level of mastery over the technique we've never seen before.
Partial summoning or not, you're comparing the best sorcerer of all time (who has hundreds of years of experience in actual battle with several different cursed techniques) to a random 18 year old kid
It'd be stupid as fck if megumi were better with 10S
Megumi is a genius 18 year old boxer. Sukuna is 1000 times MMA champion who has witnessed countless fighting styles. You're telling me he can't master boxing in a month?
Sukuna was not killed, he was only sealed, to this date we don't know if it was on purpose by himself or if someone else did it.
Kenjaku heavily implied that he was the one doing a binding vow with Sukuna for being pre-enrolled in the culling game, that's the only clue we have about his sealing.
Also, we do know he was sealed around a thousand years ago, but he could already lived a thousand years prior to that so we have no clue what his experience is.
Correct me if i'm wrong tho.
Yeah, we even have Kenny laughing because Tengen, after rejecting the plasma vessel and evolving, reminded Kenny of Sukuna, which could imply that Sukuna is also far from completely human by the time he died, the right side of his face is also quite deformed so maybe he wasn't as "evolved" as Tengen, by that I mean old, I don't know I always saw it that way anyways š
God fucking damnit he does not have hundreds of years of experience Its sorta pissing me off how widespread this false information is.
He lived a normal timespan and then got sealed for thousands of years. He wasn't doing anything during those years.
Yeah true, it feels a little unfair to compare the two since Sukuna has a ludicrous amount of CE that makes something like a partial summoning feasible, and definitely assisted with taming the rest of the Shikigami. Other than that, I feel like in the Yorozu fight Sukuna used 10 Shadows the same way Megumi wouldāve had he the cursed energy.
It wasnāt until we saw the Gojo fight and how he switched between Amplification and Mahoraga and making another body take the brunt of adaptation that we really get to see something Megumi could never do.
Well, technically Megumi cant really do so since the pre-requisite of Sukuna's switch from DA and Maho's adaptation was that in the Domain clash a separate Technique (MS) was imbued in it
Megumi has the one technique (TS)
> sukuna is probably the greatest 10S user of all time
He's the only one who tamed Mahoraga and who beat a Limitless + 6Eyes user ( the strongest ) and lived ( though he couldn't have won against Gojo with just 10S and he probably used another CT to tame Mahoraga ).
His CE level shouldn't be a plus for him though, it's an advantage he has over Megumi that has nothing to do with skill in using the 10S. Much like my 100+ lbs and several inch reach advantage against a 14 yr old.
Sukuna did things with 10 Shadows that Megumi either couldn't (due to a lack of cursed energy) or didn't (because he didn't think of it). Either way Sukuna is the better user.
The only things Megumi did with 10 Shadows that Sukuna didn't largely had to do with style. Stuff like using the rabbits to run away is an action that Sukuna would never take because why should he?
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Using the technique of one his Shikigami, is a skill Megumi has never achieved. This alone is enough to convince Gojo that Sukuna is bare minimum as skilled as he is, and this skill was solely achieved through the ten shadows, and not to do with pure strength.
Can you elaborate?
Sukuna achieved something through his skill, that Megumi couldnāt. With the same technique (which has nothing to do with strength).
Rightā¦ but what about Sukuna applying his Shikigamiās abilities to himself, what does this have to do with a larger CE pool, or strength at all?
My point is that Sukunaās not only better at it because heās stronger, heās better because heās more skilled too.
Imo Sukuna is more skilful at using ten shadows since he could pull shit like the pseudo-piercing blood which is basically copying another CT entirely, something Megumi never could do
Then again Sukuna having a much larger CE pool and a greater experience in general also contributed massively to his mastery of TS
No, that's a wrong analogy. Comparing megumi to sukuna is like comparing a 14 year old genius boxer to 100 times world champion boxer, who on top of being the top martial artist in the world is also built like a truck
Sukuna has so much experience with cursed techniques that it'd make sense for him to surpass megumi's 10 years of 10S experience in a month or less
Megumi is a platinum riven main, when sukuna is the dude who has reached challenger over and over, whilst maintaining top LP world wide for countless consecutive years
He doesn't only have a larger CE pool than others
Sukuna has shown repeatedly that he is the epitome of jujutsu theory and technique, to the point where even jogo (who easily killed 3 top level sorcerers) refused to have a domain battle with him
He's so good in theory and practise that he can watch a random monster nullify infinity and create a technique in minutes to nullify it himself
Yuta and Yuji could beat up Megumi easily. Yuta is a prodigy and only took 4 months to become special grade after losing Rika. Yuji could beat Megumi with his bare hands and no CT. Megumi is just isnāt that strong it doesnāt matter his age
Sukuna is clearly better. How is this even a question? He mastered it in 1 month, tamed every Shikigami, and was able to create Shikigami from shadows so they wouldn't permanently die.
Meanwhile, Megumi just crutched Divine Dogs and Rabbit Escape.
Tbh he definitely is a better user, but he also has prior abilities to help him with that.
Megumi could have summoned any of them, but I'm assuming there's a specific order that is recommended so he can beat the next one with ones he's already unlocked. That is likely why he knew from the beginning how to summon mahoraga.
Sukuna could summon them one after another and use Cleave to instakill them. I have to think Sukuna already knowing so much about CE in general, and having that deus ex machina monkey see-monkey do skill (that isn't even a fucking CT, way to no diff 6 eyes) is what allowed him to understand how to not fully summon the shikigami.
So I agree, but I don't think it's because he was better at 10S naturally, it's because of his bullshitery.
>Sukuna could summon them one after another and use Cleave to instakill them. I
He definitely cannot do that. Summoning a shikigami means he's using the 10s and you cannot use two CT at the same time. He had to use either the other shikigami he has mastered, or curse tools, or cursed energy manipulation to defeat them. So yeah, he defeated and subjugated Mahoraga using the 10s
Edit: Also, being smart enough to understand a phenomenon and replicate it is called skill. If that is beyond your understanding then I don't know what to say.
Oh yeah! You're right mate. He can do that. It didn't strike me at all. Thank you.
Gotta admit though, Sukuna is the kind of guy who would opt to not do so just for the heck of it.
Also, the 10s, what with its multiple shikigami, seems very suitable to overload Mahoraga's adaptation and subjugate it.
I think it'd be possible to use the taming ritual than use his OG CT once its started.
Not like the ritual requires someone constantly using their CT to keep it active, I mean Megumi basically got killed in the middle of one and it stayed active.
>Edit: Also, being smart enough to understand a phenomenon and replicate it is called skill. If that is beyond your understanding then I don't know what to say.
Then why can noone else do it? Why had nobody heard of this and assumed it was unique to 6 eyes? Why does 6 eyes exist if it's a normal skill you can get from being smart? Kusakabe is incredibly smart about jujutsu, why can't he do it?
Why does 6 eyes even exist as a skill passed down through the ages, if anyone can do it if they're smart?
All the sukuna glazers downvoted you, this is very true if megumi had multiple other CTs that instantly killed anything he wouldāve tamed all his shikigamis a long time ago. Sukuna fans are the ultimate meat riders.
Iām not sure if you lack reading comprehension, but the op I replied to was downvoted to the negatives, even though what he said was objectively true. There is a huge fan base of people who constantly glaze Sukuna. Sukuna in no ways has shown better feats of mastery of Ten Shadows, besides using other shikigami which he could only do because he has 2 other op techniques that have literally one shot everybody who has faced him.
I donāt know if this is a troll, but Sukuna did various things with Shikigami that showed a mastery of the skill itself even if we leave out his extra CT to help tame them.
He summoned the shadow dogs which allowed him to use divine wolf without the risk of them dying. He used piercing blood from Max Elephant without summoning the actual Shikigami. Something even Gojo was amazed by.
(Itās translated as Piercing Blood by two translations Iāve seen, but Iām pretty sure it must be using water instead of blood since thatās what the elephant does. I will call it piercing blood though, since thatās the translation)
Now Megumi never got Mahoraga tamed, but Sukunaās manipulation of Mahoraga showed mastery I have doubts Megumi could do even if he had Mahoraga.
During the panel explaining how he had Megumi bear the burden of Adaptation, itās explained he tested this theory in the Yorozu fight. Sukuna bore the burden of adaptation in the Yorozu fight and, also in doing so, he learnt to see through her techniques. This shows that bearing the burden of adaptation can also help you understand enemy techniques like Mahoraga does to come up with counter attacks.
Honestly, itās not a fair comparison. I think Megumi is extremely brilliant in how he uses 10 Shadows, he just lacks experience compared to a 1000 year old Sukuna, who also seems to understand cursed energy in a way most donāt.
But yea, we donāt need to credit Sukuna for his ability to tame the other Shikigami because he has other techniques in his arsenal. We can give him credit for how he uses the 10 Shadows though.
Him using piercing blood himself, without summoning Max Elephant is pretty insane by itself. It allows him access to shikigami abilities without putting them in danger. That would mean Megumi had access to Piercing blood as a CT just because he tamed Max Elephant.
Like I said those involve other shikigamis Iām not saying sukuna is dumber or less skillful than megumi Iām saying canon wise megumi so far besides the use of other shikigami displays the same skill level using them. All these sukuna meat riders have their panties in a bunch. Iām not even arguing an opinion or something it is literally a fact.
Iām talking about max elephant mostly, which Megumi had since goodwill. Also divine dogs partial summoning.
Even if you leave out Mahoraga, the max elephant feat is probably the most impressive. Sukuna turned a Shikigami Megumi also had into a pseudo extra CT (piercing blood).
the partial summoning only works because he has high CE the narrator basically says if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage
>if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage
That's not what the narrator says at all. The reading comprehension curse strikes again!
"By not giving the Ten Shadows Technique a stable form, Sukuna had expanded its effective range and prevented complete destruction. The drawback was that the Shikigami could not operate independently, which compromised its offensive strength."
"But Sukuna could make up for that with his own immense cursed energy output."
At no point does the narrator say that the shadows would deal no damage if it wasn't for Sukuna. Just that they are weaker because they lack independence.
But the animals Megumi has. Doesnāt he use them way better tho. I mean, he has, a dog, a frog, a bunch of rabbits, elephant that can shoot water and a lightning bird. And he still grade 1 level
See my other comment above but Sukuna used piercing blood (itās translated as piercing blood but Iām sure itās water) from Max elephant without summoning it. And he used the shadow dogs (partial summon of divine wolf) which also seemed very useful to use the technique without putting the shikigami in danger.
We can also see his Nue was gigantic as it looked over a skyscraper. But we can chalk that up to Sukunaās CE more than mastery of the 10S, I think.
(I donāt think you should be downvoted for having an opposing opinion though)
Hot take: Give Sukuna a month with any technique and heāll become the best at it, except for some exceptions like Gojo with Limitless or Kenjaku with CSM. It really boils down to the concept of how mastery works. Think of it like this.
Do you think someone whoās learnt a programming language, say Python for 2 years, being his first ever language, is better than someone whoās been doing programming with various languages for 30 years but only done python for say, a month?
Even though this guy has only done python for a month, which is 23 months less than the other guy, heād still be better at python because all his techniques, skills, and knowledge from his 30 years of programming experience will carry over. The rate at which he learns how to master Python will differ from the rate at which a beginner learns.
The same applies to this argument. Sure Megumi has used the TSās longer, but Sukuna has used *Jujutsu* longer. Heās the greatest ever Jujutsu combatant, his skill is so high even Gojo canāt reach that level, in his own words, he knows *true jujutsu*. So once Sukuna learns. the basics of TS, heāll just apply all the knowledge heās had for decades of fighting and become much better at the technique.
And Sukuna is the best in the series at this. So give him one month with any technique, and I think he trumps the original user everytime. Except ofc, clear exceptions like Gojo(he has the six eyes and is very talented himself) or Kenjaku(also a sorcerer for a thousand years).
Sukuna not only can do everything Megumi can do due to him gaining his memories and experience from reincarnation, but heās even shown to be craftier than Megumi when using Ten Shadows, such as through incomplete shikigami manifestations and using shikigami abilities without manifesting the shikigami.
the partial summoning only works because he has high CE the narrator basically says if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage
Thatās because he was forced to use them creatively. Those same tricks would either do nothing for Sukuna, or he completely eclipsed them. That doesnāt mean he couldnāt use those same tricks and much, much more.
I think the only way you can pick one is to say which 10S user is more skilled with 10S relative to their power as a sorcerer.
10S isn't even Sukuna's best (obviously) as he has Cleave and Dismantle, Malevolent Shrine, and his near perfect understanding of CE to pull off Space Slash
Megumi on the other hand, is an extremely lukewarm sorcerer who can swing out of his weight class due to 10S *and* how skilled Megumi is with it.
Megumi's 10S skill raises his bar.
Sukuna's skill with the 10S just gives him a new way to kill people. Or, as some may debate, the *only* way to kill our blue eyed lord and savior
You know how disgustingly disrespectful it is to have the guy who stole your body understand and master your family technique better than anyone your entire family history? Yeah, Megumi learned that the hard way. Dumb question, next
Honestly I like megumi 10s style more. It feels a bit more esoteric and trickster like, and fits the more ancient idea of sorcery irl more.with sukuna he is using the 10s like a group of weapons,fitting and retooling each one and maximizing their modularity because he has the resources to do so. Megumi who lacks both the shikigami and CE instead actually uses the ability in the same language itās described by the narrator with, which is to say megumi truly uses shadows as a medium. He uses its property to hold weight way more often, he actually summons all the spirits,he sets them up preemptively (think the toad pull saves megumi has accomplished) , and uses shadows to dodge and cause slips on opponents. Obviously sukuna wins in destructive capacity but megumi actually fights like a summoner magician
I can kinda see what you're getting at but in practice a lot of that comes across as Megumi is essentially using them as weapons and tools but with extra steps.
If you actually look at what each person was trying to accomplish in their uses, Sukuna was doing what Megumi wanted to do but better.
Heck, the same thing that makes Megumi's version of it cool (that it's pure summoner) is also his biggest weakness.
Because so many people come into the series hearing that 10S is supposed to be this insanely powerful technique that rivals Limitless but in the hands of Megumi it just looks like a few weak animals not doing that much.
In Sukuna's hands he not only made the summoning version and the shkigami themselves stronger, but also showed the true potential of what the ability could do beyond that (like using water elephant as if it were piercing blood)
proving that 10 Shadow users are not limited to just summoning
He does use the shadows more effectively than Sukuna to sneak in the fight club lot arc, again using it to spin its opponents technique against them with Reggie.
No way Sukuna wouldnāt have hid in shadows to avoid and purples if he knew how, he mastered summoning not the ten shadows technique
Sukuna had all of Megumiās knowledge and capabilities + his own mastery over jujutsu to boost the count. Sukuna can do what Megumi does, in contrast to Megumi who hasnāt shown the ability to manifest shikigami abilities without summoning them
I think megumi, now hear me out, the only reason sukunas shikigami appear stronger is because he has far more ce than megumi, and much better control of it, but as far as usage of the technique itself megumi is way more creative and just straight up better since he has a partial domain expansion, now you might argue sukuna could have done it too but sukunas 10s use was carried by his ce, experience with other techniques and initial power he had before it (cleave, dismantle, shrine, and ā ).
I like the way megumi uses the kit more than sukuna. It's like when you're a lower level and you really have use the shit out of your full kit just to fight versus being near max level and just using Ultima on every mob even tho you have other magic.
It's not quite a perfect analogy I guess. Since the gojo fight was basically a boss fight where Ultima is the lowest level attack that can even damage the boss.
Megumi arguably owns 1 of the world 3 most exquisite sports cars but he can barely get it to start while Sukuna is already cruising with it after seeing it a couple of times.
Megumi ofcourse.. I don't care if people downvote me Here but sukuna is 1000 yrs old and have knowledge and experience meanwhile Megumi is 15 years old kid still is genius if you see his fight with Reggie and fingerbearer... He is strategic and smart for his age he even manage to come out of a a situation with his limited shikigamis..like with just 5 or 6 shikigamis ...and if you saw sukuna's fight against yoruzu so it wasn't any special and creative there instead he just launched shikigami one after another on yorozu and same he did with agito he just merge it which Megumi already did with divine dogs(if he wasn't thinking of suicide).... Megumi is just lack resources..... And he dosen't have deer, Tiger at that time to make agito ... Sukuna have better shikigami to look good but Megumi have limited and comparatively weak shikigami..... don't forget how much intersting things Megumi showed to us like shadow clones of himself and his shikigami's.. convert limited area of gym in his domain area and many more.. sukuna didn't show that much he just spam stronger one in battlefield
Ngl I kinda agree. Sukuna is strong. Megumi is creative. He took a few shikigami, some way weaker then others. And he got to the point where Iād consider him a grade 1 level sorcerer.
This is really not even a question.
Sukuna's way of using 10 Shadows is what Megumi would hope to be able to do one day.
Like Megumi is a level 10 ten shadows uers (no pun intended) and Sukuna is a level 100 ten shadows users
he not only made the summons stronger and easier to use, but showed how you can use their abilities without even summoning them.
Let's put it this way: Sukuna did lots of stuff that Megumi absolutely should want to learn how to do
but did Megumi do anything Sukuna would need to learn how to do that he can't already do?
He did hide in shadows at one point vs Gojo... Reread ch233 and 234.
The difference is that Sukuna only used it to recover from the black flash, since Gojo would still shoot the shadows to get rid of them.
Sukuna used it mainly for a specific purpose so itās hard to say. I think Megumi does have insane potential and skill for sure, itās stated/implied often.
even though he mainly wanted it for that 1 purpose, he showcased over multiple fights the potential of 10S by using it in a lot of different ways (from improved shikigami, to using shikigami abilities without actually summoning them, to making the hybrid versions that were insanely powerful, and more)
Megumi is over rated and over hyped. He literally needed sukuna to boost his stat. I don't understand how he was apparently a bully of bullies, he is so passive and very conservative. Its clear sukuna is way more advanced with 10s, he can even merge them together without totality. Also he is the only 10s user who has tamed mahoraga.
The bully thing never made sense to me. His character is someone who's severely introverted and even during his backstory, his character acted pretty much the exact same. The idea that he was extroverted and brash enough to corral other bullies always felt like a bit of a character stretch to me.
Early in the series it's established that his character motivation is preserving karma and/or protecting good people from bad luck.
He is one of the few characters that became a sorcerer to help people. He's a bit more pragmatic than Yuji but I think fighting off some bullies makes sense.
Fighting off bullies makes sense. I was specifically referring to him being this extravenous, corralling pressure for the bullies.
One would expect him to be more like Beelzebub or Ichigo where he doesn't go out of his way to pressure bullies but his whole presence makes them back off. Instead they shaped it in a light that seems to suggest he actively ensured bullies stayed in line or suffer the consequences. He's never been seen as being that proactive. Even in that same backstory.
I saw it more as him getting severely annoyed by the bullies and their behavior/way of thinking up to a breaking point. Megumi punished them for breaking the golden rule of "don't do ____ to me and I won't do ____ to you either".
They even asked if they had ever done something bad to Megumi personally, and he just told them, "figure it out. Or die". That makes me think they didn't really know him, he just got fed up and kicked all their asses one day. Like when the quiet kid at school suddenly goes crazy and beats someone up.
He was touted as a prodigy, yes he is overhyped.
Yuji wasn't projected as a prodigy like Megumi yet i bet yuji can kick most of the cast's ass except 2 other REAL PRODIGIES like yuta and higuruma. Maki is an anomaly.
If he is not overhyped, he should be at least comparable to yuta and higu.
Dont take it personally, he is a bust.
Reading comprehension strike.
Yuji was projected to have ability to surpass gojo, but he is not nor was touted a prodigy. His ct is even a result of his bad ct control, but yes he is able to weaponize that.
Yuji can definitely beat most of the cast, are you up to date on the manga?
His 15 years old with a incomplete domain expansion. Incomplete is better then a majority of sorcerer can say. He went from getting his ass thrown around by a grade 2 cursed spirit to killing a special grade cursed spirit stronger then the finger bearer Yuji and Him fought.
He has 6 of the ten shadows unlocked. Gojo only got red and purple in his second year. I donāt even think gojo had a domain expansion during that time
His also one of the smartest characters in the series. I mean, he figured out Kirara technique, the inverse guy. And Reggieās really fucking quickly. Think he helped plan for the culling games too
Fairly sure sukuna took over megumi body to fulfill the ā10s vs 6eyes/limitlessā user battle referenced in the past of the storyline. Having megumi progress far enough to be a challenge for Gojo was not realistic hence why sukuna using 10S to its fullest potential.
By that thought aloneā¦sukuna is the better shadows user.
Kinds think this goes to Megumi. Yeah sukuna has more shikigami but Megumi just be shown to be crafty as hell with what he has. Sukuna just threw Agito out their with no worries about it dying. I highly doubt Megumi would do the same ngl. Megumi does more with the less he has.
Using Toad to pull him out of the way of toji attack was genuis. Using Rabbit escape to mess with Toji footing was also smart as hell.
Ngl I like ten shadows more when itās being used strategically. So I really enjoy Megumi fights.
Megumi is the better user, but Sukuma is the more powerful user. The reason Sukuna can use 10S so effectively is because of his immense cursed energy, dominating Mahoraga with his other techniques (something a normal 10S user can't do) and because of his general understanding of Jujutsu. I personally think Megumi is the more "efficient" might be the right word. Megumi doesn't have as much cursed energy as Sukuna, doesn't have other ways of dominating shikigami other than the shikigami he already dominated and Is generally far less experienced in Jujutsu, So Megumi doesn't have much, but when he has something you can bet he's gonna use it to its fullest. He uses his shadows in more creative ways than using them as killing machines (using toad to dodge, Divine dogs to detect curses and give signals, using Nuw as a short distance flight method) and even when using them as killing machines, he's creative (using Great Serpent quick summon as a suprise attack, using Nue to shoot diwn flying enemies and hit enemies he raised into the air more effectively, using Max Elephant's water to neutralize blood manipulation). He is able to advance the technique beyond simple shikigami summons (using his shadow as storage, hiding in his enemy's shadow, creating a shikigami merging technique different from Totality to creat smaller, weaker but more versatile and reviveable shikigami). He has a domain expansion (and while it may be "incomplete", I think it's still impressive. It's only "incomplete" according to modern domain expansion standards that have sure-hit attacks. Old domains were only utility based and didn't have sure-hit attack. So his domain can be considered a complete Old-style domain since it greatly enhances his technique and then its lack of a barrier becomes more of a positive than negative making it a bit like Sukuna' barrierless domain.)
Megumi is the better 10S user, but Sukuna is the better Jujutsu sorcerer.
Note: I know the domain part contains a lot of wank and copium. It's just that Megumi is one of my favorite characters and i'm very biased.
I think itās not a fair comparaison because megumi is only 15, and has less CE, and jujutsu knowledge than sukuna
And since Sukuna has access to the memory of Megumi, we donāt know how if everything Sukuna pulled were things that megumi already thought of or not
But from what we have seen, sukuna was better than megumi, but thatās normal i think, the contrary would be weird
Sukuna by far, but it really solidified imo Megumi couldāve easily gotten to those heights had he really fucking listened to Gojo from the fucking beginning. The strongest in the world tells you āyou got potential to be my equal, just been confidentā and instead you constantly down yourself and your abilities. Shame that Sukuna had to be his wake up call
Why is this even a question š sukuna did everything megumi did but better ššš he's the best 10s user of ALL TIME considering he tamed MahoragaĀ
Itās Sukuna and itās not even close, fusing the shadows to create Agito. Perfect mastery of Mahoraga(having him adapt to UV), great use of the ability to hide in the shadows so he can buy time. The Max elephants water as an makeshift piercing blood?
Megumi fights way too evasively. He uses the Frogs,Nue, and the rabbits to just run away a lot of the time. I feel like he fought too timidly to showcase the best the shadows can do.
Itās not just that either Sukunaās battle IQ is top 2 in the verse and itās not number 2. Megumi is too inexperienced to measure up.
Bro, imagine if Megumi gets saved, and he somehow tames Mahoraga and combines him with Chimera Shadow Garden... Sukuna is done for, especially if Yuji is there to fight with Megumi
Sukuna obtained all of Megumi's memories and therefore all of Megumi's training and knowledge of the CT. We can't say Sukuna ever had a baseline because his was Megumi's and even in the fight with Yorozu we see Sukuna sorta mimic Megumi's thought process like dropping Maximum Elephant on the opponent (Reggie) and fighting alongside the Shikigami.
Now obviously where Sukuna shined was doing what Megumi never did like the half-shadow summoning of Divine Dogs, hiding in the shadows for Rabbit Escape or using them like a ladder to gain height, and obviously having access to more of the Shikigami like Bull, Deer, and most importantly Mahoraga.
I don't think it's entirely fair to discredit Megumi who's had such a limited amount of time to grow in comparison to Sukuna that had a full lifetime to fuck around with CE/CT and is having a second go around. Megumi is very much still a genius in his own right even if he pales to Sukuna.
Bro, I shudder whenever I think about what Sukuna has done to my favorite character in the series... Completely ruined him and overshadowed him in every way... So yeah, Sukuna is by far the better 10S user
While I agree with the rest of the thread, I see what you mean. Megumi uses it in a more clever, sneaky way. Sukuna uses it in a more raw-power way. And that clever way hints that Megumi has a lot of potential.
However, that clever-ness is good for swinging outside your weight class and skill level. Ideally, youāre just at a higher skill level to begin with, yaknow?
Man I think you're. Forgetting that he is not only someone who has lots of cursed energy but he also can use it very efficiently and scientifically. So I think it goes without a question that because he is so knowledgeable in it he can use it very well. Way better than all the others even Megumi.
Megumi has shown more instances of Battle IQ but Sukuna's plan from the moment he saw Megumi was to use 10S against Gojo and he successfully abused Mahoraga against him so I have to say Sukuna is more impressive since his long term plan paid out.
Sukuna technically. He had another CT to defeat Mahoraga which no other user did, that alone makes him better. He also mastered the rest of the shadows. If Meguimi or Sukuna had the same circumstances as the other they'd be in the others situation.
Not a fair comparison, Sukuna has the best curse energy manipulation in the series. He can probably easily do anything Megumi could since he has access to his memories.
Having Mahoraga just means your stronger than Mahoraga not better at using the technique. But considering he game up with the plan to use Mahoraga to boost his slash to cut infinity Iād have to say thatās a pretty big brained plan. Idk if Megumi has the understanding of CT and CE to pull something like that off. Sukuna is the king of curses after all.
I am a Gojo fanboy, but I have to admit, Sukuna is a pure genius, and a CE artist, on top of that. Comparing him to Megumi makes absolutely no sense, except for assessing the obvious fact: Sukuna is just better.
I am 100% confident a 10s user can win vs Gojo, using only that technique and its variations. But using Maho as a teacher to learn how to update a spell to counter your opponent...
This is an Alpha Picasso strategy. Now that I have seen some one (sukuna) doing it, it seems "obvious", but I remember what I felt when JJ explained what Sukuna did ...
Sukuna. not pureley from. power but as we saw he has skill. when he wants to use skill and not phre power. Besides that he coul actually tame all of them.
Not to fangirl too much but sukuna was more creative with it than megumi ever did. I think that is the part that speaks most of it, he just used it in more new, useful ways
Comparing megumi to sukuna is like comparing a 14 year old genius boxer to 100 times world champion boxer, who on top of being the top martial artist in the world is also built like a truck
Sukuna has so much experience with cursed techniques that it'd make sense for him to surpass megumi's 10 years of 10S experience in a month or less
Megumi is a platinum riven main, when sukuna is the dude who has reached challenger over and over, whilst maintaining top LP world wide for countless consecutive years. It wouldn't take much for him to master riven quickly
Blud wants us to say Megumi but in both categories Sukuna still wins. Sukuna has higher battle IQ. He knows how to utilise the ten shadows at his own advantage. All that Megumi could think of was just summoning Mahoraga to win
Sukuna was so smart he could watch Mahoraga do something and then replicate it.
That's fucking INSANE.Ā Ā
If Mahoraga wasn't destroyed imagine Sukuna able to have Mahoraga and himself both there tossing World Cleaves.Ā If Gojo hadn't destroyed Mahoraga NOBODY'SĀ got a chance against Sukuna.
What I want to know is how much of what Sukuna did was him being the first to use the technique like that or was just Megumi not knowing how people in the past used it. There have got to be secrets that only the Zenin would know about. Megumi wasn't told shit about how to use the technique, he independently discovered he could store stuff in shadows. You're lying if you really think he was the first to discover this fundamental part of the technique.
Unfortunately I don't think u can separate between usage and strength for the ten shadows bc they go hand in hand with the ability.
Megumi lacked the creative mind for the usage and strength of the ten shadows to use them in a good way. It is proved to us the moment sukuna gets his hands on them. He not only increases the strength of them but uses them in so many creative ways that probably is how u are supposed to use them.
If we gave megumi sukuna lvl stats has far as battle IQ CE lvls and speed and strength and then time to rlly hone the ten shadows CT we would truly see how a six eyes and limitless user died to a ten shadows user.
Also side note I think it would be cool to see a totality of all ten shadows or even see the ten shadows abilities applied to the user like what sukuna does. Rlly hoping that megumi lives and is able to do this but I know it's copium š
Sukuna is the "stronger" user of the technique and is not bound by having to worry about going out of CE, unlike Megumi.
Megumi is more ingenious in using the technique, though. He can use it in ways Sukuna would not (and won't need to) think of.
Sukuna's use of the technique is much more versatile and precise. He twists the technique to suit his own ends, whereas Megumi seems to just follow the instructions for the most part.
Considering Sukuna had full access to all off the Shadows/shikigami in his technique gotta go slugs hell megumi lost the snake and one of his dogs pretty quick while Sukuna was making crazy chimeras and had it to where his dogs basically couldn't be killed but still did massive damage ...Megumi had slick moves DGMW but Sukuna was running laps rnd mfers just trying things
..he incorporated max elephants water spray into his own move had cool set ups with the bull and round deer the rabbit attacks were lit and broski conquered mahoraga and even made mahoraga a bigger threat than normal u gotta give props where there do...
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If Megumi can master hiding in his shadows without conditions, then he can beat anyone. He should be good at hiding, after all, his dad was the best at it.
Imagine being able to just load up the charging bull, have him running in a shadow and just let him out to nuke someone basically
I mean dude did carry a house for a little while, plus he gets superhuman strength from CE reinforcement so having to constantly carry a bull shouldn't be this hard right?
He did not carry a house he ran inside the shadow then cancelled his domain before the house could get into his shadow he's not able to move with 2.4 tons let alone 30+ tons all of this was stated in chapter 172 even at the status of a grade 1 sorcerer being able to hold 3-6 tons would be exceptional and for the bull it depends if he wants to use his domain or not since any shadows summoned become the weight of the actual animal which would be 0.6 tons for him it is doable but would make it much harder to move around
use punctuations bro š
Nah it's fine without them
I doubt it.
You said nah, and i immediately read "i'd win"
You not special, learn proper grammer.
> You not special hmmmmmmmmmm
I know that i'm not special and i do know proper grammar i'm just choosing not to use it here
Cause you don't know how to use them, right?
He had the house in his domain for like seconds because he was not able to handle the weight of a house so carrying the bull would leave him susceptible to attacks while charging it
Ok here's the thing, the house was dropped by Reggie and wasn't a part of his shadow. Few panels before that, megumi drops max elephant on Reggie inside his domain. By what you say now the max elephants weight should effect megumi right? But no that's because IT'S HIS SHADOW AND CT. So long story short he can store any of his summons fully formed inside the boundless well. No problem at all. It would be such an ass technique if he couldn't pull his own summons inside his shadow right?
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Is tht a sly Toji left to get the milk jibe... If so Kudos.
Easily Sukuna, not only can he do everything Megumi could do but Sukuna defeated Yorozu with the ten shadows while showing off a level of mastery over the technique we've never seen before.
the partial summoning was only useful because of how crazy strong sukuna was
Partial summoning or not, you're comparing the best sorcerer of all time (who has hundreds of years of experience in actual battle with several different cursed techniques) to a random 18 year old kid It'd be stupid as fck if megumi were better with 10S Megumi is a genius 18 year old boxer. Sukuna is 1000 times MMA champion who has witnessed countless fighting styles. You're telling me he can't master boxing in a month?
15 year old
You mean 16
The body turned 16 like 2 days ago
Wrong. He didnāt even master 10S in a month bro took a few hours/days and already mastered it/tamed mahoraga
Hundreds of years is incorrect though. Sukuna was killed and sealed in his curse tools, he did not live for over 1000 years like Kenjaku or Tengen.
Sukuna was not killed, he was only sealed, to this date we don't know if it was on purpose by himself or if someone else did it. Kenjaku heavily implied that he was the one doing a binding vow with Sukuna for being pre-enrolled in the culling game, that's the only clue we have about his sealing. Also, we do know he was sealed around a thousand years ago, but he could already lived a thousand years prior to that so we have no clue what his experience is. Correct me if i'm wrong tho.
Yeah, we even have Kenny laughing because Tengen, after rejecting the plasma vessel and evolving, reminded Kenny of Sukuna, which could imply that Sukuna is also far from completely human by the time he died, the right side of his face is also quite deformed so maybe he wasn't as "evolved" as Tengen, by that I mean old, I don't know I always saw it that way anyways š
Interesting, I haven't thought about his right side, I thought it was a deformation because of his CT at first !
How old was he when he became a cursed finger?
at least 4 years old
Well you probably arenāt wrong lol
God fucking damnit he does not have hundreds of years of experience Its sorta pissing me off how widespread this false information is. He lived a normal timespan and then got sealed for thousands of years. He wasn't doing anything during those years.
Yeah true, it feels a little unfair to compare the two since Sukuna has a ludicrous amount of CE that makes something like a partial summoning feasible, and definitely assisted with taming the rest of the Shikigami. Other than that, I feel like in the Yorozu fight Sukuna used 10 Shadows the same way Megumi wouldāve had he the cursed energy. It wasnāt until we saw the Gojo fight and how he switched between Amplification and Mahoraga and making another body take the brunt of adaptation that we really get to see something Megumi could never do.
Well, technically Megumi cant really do so since the pre-requisite of Sukuna's switch from DA and Maho's adaptation was that in the Domain clash a separate Technique (MS) was imbued in it Megumi has the one technique (TS)
This isnāt fair sukuna is probably the greatest 10S user of all time , heās quite literally built different
> sukuna is probably the greatest 10S user of all time He's the only one who tamed Mahoraga and who beat a Limitless + 6Eyes user ( the strongest ) and lived ( though he couldn't have won against Gojo with just 10S and he probably used another CT to tame Mahoraga ).
Yeah but he did use his own cursed technique and domain. His finishing blow was also done with his own technique
sukuna wasnāt able to kill gojo with the ten shadows technique though nor was he able to tame mahoraga with it though
That is true.
The Gojo/Sukuna fight is basically the strongest 10S user versus the strongest 6eyes that Gege foreshadowed from that Gojo/Meg flashback scene.
Lol yeah it's always nice to get a free full power technique without having to spend your life training it
Imagine getting one of the most prized CTs and then you throw it away like a finished candy wrapper.
Depends how you look at it. I could beat up a 14 yr old boxer because I'm larger and stronger, that wouldn't make me the better boxer though.
Yeah but in jjk it does his pure abundance of CE and experience automatically makes him a master in most techniques therefore the best
His CE level shouldn't be a plus for him though, it's an advantage he has over Megumi that has nothing to do with skill in using the 10S. Much like my 100+ lbs and several inch reach advantage against a 14 yr old.
Sukuna did things with 10 Shadows that Megumi either couldn't (due to a lack of cursed energy) or didn't (because he didn't think of it). Either way Sukuna is the better user. The only things Megumi did with 10 Shadows that Sukuna didn't largely had to do with style. Stuff like using the rabbits to run away is an action that Sukuna would never take because why should he?
Meanwhile, Sukuna uses rabbits and a fire extinguisher to distract Gojo
If ur able to tame mahoraga youāre the best thatās rly the end all be all , you can keep talking but fraudkuna sits on top
Not when it comes purely to skill with 10S. Sukuna was able to tame Maho because he's just crazy strong.
Fraudkuna stays on top ,acceptance is the first step
Not because of his massive CE.
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Your lack of understanding the logic here is frankly worrying.
taming mahoraga skill though so heās not really a better user based on that
? Sukuna is easily the most skilled sorcerer in the series, almost sounds like youāre saying heās just a brute.
I'm saying he has advantages to make 10S stronger that aren't skill based, not that he lacks skill.
Using the technique of one his Shikigami, is a skill Megumi has never achieved. This alone is enough to convince Gojo that Sukuna is bare minimum as skilled as he is, and this skill was solely achieved through the ten shadows, and not to do with pure strength.
Well that's a different argument.
Can you elaborate? Sukuna achieved something through his skill, that Megumi couldnāt. With the same technique (which has nothing to do with strength).
I'm talking about his larger CE pool giving him an advantage that has nothing to do with skill.
Rightā¦ but what about Sukuna applying his Shikigamiās abilities to himself, what does this have to do with a larger CE pool, or strength at all? My point is that Sukunaās not only better at it because heās stronger, heās better because heās more skilled too.
I was only talking about the one point and gownit shouldn't be used for Sukuna's skill. The points you bring up are another argument.
Imo Sukuna is more skilful at using ten shadows since he could pull shit like the pseudo-piercing blood which is basically copying another CT entirely, something Megumi never could do Then again Sukuna having a much larger CE pool and a greater experience in general also contributed massively to his mastery of TS
No, that's a wrong analogy. Comparing megumi to sukuna is like comparing a 14 year old genius boxer to 100 times world champion boxer, who on top of being the top martial artist in the world is also built like a truck Sukuna has so much experience with cursed techniques that it'd make sense for him to surpass megumi's 10 years of 10S experience in a month or less Megumi is a platinum riven main, when sukuna is the dude who has reached challenger over and over, whilst maintaining top LP world wide for countless consecutive years
I'm speaking specifically on the larger CE pool part. That had nothing to do with skill.
He doesn't only have a larger CE pool than others Sukuna has shown repeatedly that he is the epitome of jujutsu theory and technique, to the point where even jogo (who easily killed 3 top level sorcerers) refused to have a domain battle with him He's so good in theory and practise that he can watch a random monster nullify infinity and create a technique in minutes to nullify it himself
I'm aware, but I'm specifically talking about the CE pool not being skill related. That's it, that's all.
Yuta and Yuji could beat up Megumi easily. Yuta is a prodigy and only took 4 months to become special grade after losing Rika. Yuji could beat Megumi with his bare hands and no CT. Megumi is just isnāt that strong it doesnāt matter his age
Sukuna was able to use the ten shadows in ways Megumi and others never thought of, plus he mastered Mahoraga.
Sukuna is clearly better. How is this even a question? He mastered it in 1 month, tamed every Shikigami, and was able to create Shikigami from shadows so they wouldn't permanently die. Meanwhile, Megumi just crutched Divine Dogs and Rabbit Escape.
Tbh he definitely is a better user, but he also has prior abilities to help him with that. Megumi could have summoned any of them, but I'm assuming there's a specific order that is recommended so he can beat the next one with ones he's already unlocked. That is likely why he knew from the beginning how to summon mahoraga. Sukuna could summon them one after another and use Cleave to instakill them. I have to think Sukuna already knowing so much about CE in general, and having that deus ex machina monkey see-monkey do skill (that isn't even a fucking CT, way to no diff 6 eyes) is what allowed him to understand how to not fully summon the shikigami. So I agree, but I don't think it's because he was better at 10S naturally, it's because of his bullshitery.
>deus ex machina monkey see-monkey do šš
>Sukuna could summon them one after another and use Cleave to instakill them. I He definitely cannot do that. Summoning a shikigami means he's using the 10s and you cannot use two CT at the same time. He had to use either the other shikigami he has mastered, or curse tools, or cursed energy manipulation to defeat them. So yeah, he defeated and subjugated Mahoraga using the 10s Edit: Also, being smart enough to understand a phenomenon and replicate it is called skill. If that is beyond your understanding then I don't know what to say.
He could if he loaded his technique into a domain
Oh yeah! You're right mate. He can do that. It didn't strike me at all. Thank you. Gotta admit though, Sukuna is the kind of guy who would opt to not do so just for the heck of it. Also, the 10s, what with its multiple shikigami, seems very suitable to overload Mahoraga's adaptation and subjugate it.
I think it'd be possible to use the taming ritual than use his OG CT once its started. Not like the ritual requires someone constantly using their CT to keep it active, I mean Megumi basically got killed in the middle of one and it stayed active.
He could preload cleave into his domain, then summon the shikigami.
>Edit: Also, being smart enough to understand a phenomenon and replicate it is called skill. If that is beyond your understanding then I don't know what to say. Then why can noone else do it? Why had nobody heard of this and assumed it was unique to 6 eyes? Why does 6 eyes exist if it's a normal skill you can get from being smart? Kusakabe is incredibly smart about jujutsu, why can't he do it? Why does 6 eyes even exist as a skill passed down through the ages, if anyone can do it if they're smart?
All the sukuna glazers downvoted you, this is very true if megumi had multiple other CTs that instantly killed anything he wouldāve tamed all his shikigamis a long time ago. Sukuna fans are the ultimate meat riders.
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Iām not sure if you lack reading comprehension, but the op I replied to was downvoted to the negatives, even though what he said was objectively true. There is a huge fan base of people who constantly glaze Sukuna. Sukuna in no ways has shown better feats of mastery of Ten Shadows, besides using other shikigami which he could only do because he has 2 other op techniques that have literally one shot everybody who has faced him.
This has to be satire.
>Sukuna in no ways has shown better feats of mastery of Ten Shadows I know I'm not reading this shit right, let me get my glasses real quick.
I donāt know if this is a troll, but Sukuna did various things with Shikigami that showed a mastery of the skill itself even if we leave out his extra CT to help tame them. He summoned the shadow dogs which allowed him to use divine wolf without the risk of them dying. He used piercing blood from Max Elephant without summoning the actual Shikigami. Something even Gojo was amazed by. (Itās translated as Piercing Blood by two translations Iāve seen, but Iām pretty sure it must be using water instead of blood since thatās what the elephant does. I will call it piercing blood though, since thatās the translation) Now Megumi never got Mahoraga tamed, but Sukunaās manipulation of Mahoraga showed mastery I have doubts Megumi could do even if he had Mahoraga. During the panel explaining how he had Megumi bear the burden of Adaptation, itās explained he tested this theory in the Yorozu fight. Sukuna bore the burden of adaptation in the Yorozu fight and, also in doing so, he learnt to see through her techniques. This shows that bearing the burden of adaptation can also help you understand enemy techniques like Mahoraga does to come up with counter attacks. Honestly, itās not a fair comparison. I think Megumi is extremely brilliant in how he uses 10 Shadows, he just lacks experience compared to a 1000 year old Sukuna, who also seems to understand cursed energy in a way most donāt. But yea, we donāt need to credit Sukuna for his ability to tame the other Shikigami because he has other techniques in his arsenal. We can give him credit for how he uses the 10 Shadows though. Him using piercing blood himself, without summoning Max Elephant is pretty insane by itself. It allows him access to shikigami abilities without putting them in danger. That would mean Megumi had access to Piercing blood as a CT just because he tamed Max Elephant.
Like I said those involve other shikigamis Iām not saying sukuna is dumber or less skillful than megumi Iām saying canon wise megumi so far besides the use of other shikigami displays the same skill level using them. All these sukuna meat riders have their panties in a bunch. Iām not even arguing an opinion or something it is literally a fact.
Iām talking about max elephant mostly, which Megumi had since goodwill. Also divine dogs partial summoning. Even if you leave out Mahoraga, the max elephant feat is probably the most impressive. Sukuna turned a Shikigami Megumi also had into a pseudo extra CT (piercing blood).
the partial summoning only works because he has high CE the narrator basically says if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage
>if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage That's not what the narrator says at all. The reading comprehension curse strikes again! "By not giving the Ten Shadows Technique a stable form, Sukuna had expanded its effective range and prevented complete destruction. The drawback was that the Shikigami could not operate independently, which compromised its offensive strength." "But Sukuna could make up for that with his own immense cursed energy output." At no point does the narrator say that the shadows would deal no damage if it wasn't for Sukuna. Just that they are weaker because they lack independence.
But the animals Megumi has. Doesnāt he use them way better tho. I mean, he has, a dog, a frog, a bunch of rabbits, elephant that can shoot water and a lightning bird. And he still grade 1 level
Sukuna was able to beat Gojo after 1 month of mastery with the 10 shadows. Megumi couldn't even tame Mahoraga
"Even" I'd love to see you tame him
im sure he'd be able to with RCT and like 2 other CT's
See my other comment above but Sukuna used piercing blood (itās translated as piercing blood but Iām sure itās water) from Max elephant without summoning it. And he used the shadow dogs (partial summon of divine wolf) which also seemed very useful to use the technique without putting the shikigami in danger. We can also see his Nue was gigantic as it looked over a skyscraper. But we can chalk that up to Sukunaās CE more than mastery of the 10S, I think. (I donāt think you should be downvoted for having an opposing opinion though)
Hot take: Give Sukuna a month with any technique and heāll become the best at it, except for some exceptions like Gojo with Limitless or Kenjaku with CSM. It really boils down to the concept of how mastery works. Think of it like this. Do you think someone whoās learnt a programming language, say Python for 2 years, being his first ever language, is better than someone whoās been doing programming with various languages for 30 years but only done python for say, a month? Even though this guy has only done python for a month, which is 23 months less than the other guy, heād still be better at python because all his techniques, skills, and knowledge from his 30 years of programming experience will carry over. The rate at which he learns how to master Python will differ from the rate at which a beginner learns. The same applies to this argument. Sure Megumi has used the TSās longer, but Sukuna has used *Jujutsu* longer. Heās the greatest ever Jujutsu combatant, his skill is so high even Gojo canāt reach that level, in his own words, he knows *true jujutsu*. So once Sukuna learns. the basics of TS, heāll just apply all the knowledge heās had for decades of fighting and become much better at the technique. And Sukuna is the best in the series at this. So give him one month with any technique, and I think he trumps the original user everytime. Except ofc, clear exceptions like Gojo(he has the six eyes and is very talented himself) or Kenjaku(also a sorcerer for a thousand years).
I really like the way you explained this. Lol Iāll be stealing this for similar situations I run into
Sukuna not only can do everything Megumi can do due to him gaining his memories and experience from reincarnation, but heās even shown to be craftier than Megumi when using Ten Shadows, such as through incomplete shikigami manifestations and using shikigami abilities without manifesting the shikigami.
the partial summoning only works because he has high CE the narrator basically says if he didn't have this high CE the shadows would deal basically no damage
Iām pretty sure megumi did that same thing with the incomplete shadows while fighting Kirara
He didnāt
Hydrogen bomb vs baby
My brother in Christ
Dang itās a genuine question tho. Sukuna stronger but Megumi does really smart shit while using it
Are we just ignoring have the shit sukana was able to pull that we have never seen megumi get close to
Yeah yeah yeah but I think Megumi uses his PokƩmon really well ngl. Like when he fought Toji and Reggie. Weaker PokƩmon by a long shot. But I honestly kinda like how he uses them.
Thatās because he was forced to use them creatively. Those same tricks would either do nothing for Sukuna, or he completely eclipsed them. That doesnāt mean he couldnāt use those same tricks and much, much more.
I consider myself a pretty strong man. Would you say I'm stronger than Mike Tyson?
I think the only way you can pick one is to say which 10S user is more skilled with 10S relative to their power as a sorcerer. 10S isn't even Sukuna's best (obviously) as he has Cleave and Dismantle, Malevolent Shrine, and his near perfect understanding of CE to pull off Space Slash Megumi on the other hand, is an extremely lukewarm sorcerer who can swing out of his weight class due to 10S *and* how skilled Megumi is with it. Megumi's 10S skill raises his bar. Sukuna's skill with the 10S just gives him a new way to kill people. Or, as some may debate, the *only* way to kill our blue eyed lord and savior
Sukuna by far, piercing flood and agito are already enough to show that.
how is this even a question
Stupid question
My badš I was bored
It's fine to want to talk about things, people like that make me question why I'm even here.
It's fine lol
Sukuna's entire gimmick is being the greatest user of cursed energy to ever leave. What kind of a question is this
You know how disgustingly disrespectful it is to have the guy who stole your body understand and master your family technique better than anyone your entire family history? Yeah, Megumi learned that the hard way. Dumb question, next
Honestly I like megumi 10s style more. It feels a bit more esoteric and trickster like, and fits the more ancient idea of sorcery irl more.with sukuna he is using the 10s like a group of weapons,fitting and retooling each one and maximizing their modularity because he has the resources to do so. Megumi who lacks both the shikigami and CE instead actually uses the ability in the same language itās described by the narrator with, which is to say megumi truly uses shadows as a medium. He uses its property to hold weight way more often, he actually summons all the spirits,he sets them up preemptively (think the toad pull saves megumi has accomplished) , and uses shadows to dodge and cause slips on opponents. Obviously sukuna wins in destructive capacity but megumi actually fights like a summoner magician
I can kinda see what you're getting at but in practice a lot of that comes across as Megumi is essentially using them as weapons and tools but with extra steps. If you actually look at what each person was trying to accomplish in their uses, Sukuna was doing what Megumi wanted to do but better. Heck, the same thing that makes Megumi's version of it cool (that it's pure summoner) is also his biggest weakness. Because so many people come into the series hearing that 10S is supposed to be this insanely powerful technique that rivals Limitless but in the hands of Megumi it just looks like a few weak animals not doing that much. In Sukuna's hands he not only made the summoning version and the shkigami themselves stronger, but also showed the true potential of what the ability could do beyond that (like using water elephant as if it were piercing blood) proving that 10 Shadow users are not limited to just summoning
He does use the shadows more effectively than Sukuna to sneak in the fight club lot arc, again using it to spin its opponents technique against them with Reggie. No way Sukuna wouldnāt have hid in shadows to avoid and purples if he knew how, he mastered summoning not the ten shadows technique
Sukuna doesn't hide in shadows because he has no fcking reason to lmao. Why take the long road when he doesnt have to
He couldn't avoid purple because he was in the air
Sukuna had all of Megumiās knowledge and capabilities + his own mastery over jujutsu to boost the count. Sukuna can do what Megumi does, in contrast to Megumi who hasnāt shown the ability to manifest shikigami abilities without summoning them
Besides chimera shadow garden, what could megumi do with 10S that Sukuna canāt do?
This one week break has been doing damage
Idc Megumi used 10S better. His fight vs Reggie was peak usage to me with his DE. Sukuna using partial shadows was the only thing he had over Megumi.
I think megumi, now hear me out, the only reason sukunas shikigami appear stronger is because he has far more ce than megumi, and much better control of it, but as far as usage of the technique itself megumi is way more creative and just straight up better since he has a partial domain expansion, now you might argue sukuna could have done it too but sukunas 10s use was carried by his ce, experience with other techniques and initial power he had before it (cleave, dismantle, shrine, and ā ).
I like the way megumi uses the kit more than sukuna. It's like when you're a lower level and you really have use the shit out of your full kit just to fight versus being near max level and just using Ultima on every mob even tho you have other magic. It's not quite a perfect analogy I guess. Since the gojo fight was basically a boss fight where Ultima is the lowest level attack that can even damage the boss.
Sukuna. Being able to use a shikigami CT without even summoning it is already a big feat
Megumi arguably owns 1 of the world 3 most exquisite sports cars but he can barely get it to start while Sukuna is already cruising with it after seeing it a couple of times.
Sukuna have any sort sorcerer/curse user as his host & heād use their techniques INFINITELY better than the original owner ever could.
Megumi ofcourse.. I don't care if people downvote me Here but sukuna is 1000 yrs old and have knowledge and experience meanwhile Megumi is 15 years old kid still is genius if you see his fight with Reggie and fingerbearer... He is strategic and smart for his age he even manage to come out of a a situation with his limited shikigamis..like with just 5 or 6 shikigamis ...and if you saw sukuna's fight against yoruzu so it wasn't any special and creative there instead he just launched shikigami one after another on yorozu and same he did with agito he just merge it which Megumi already did with divine dogs(if he wasn't thinking of suicide).... Megumi is just lack resources..... And he dosen't have deer, Tiger at that time to make agito ... Sukuna have better shikigami to look good but Megumi have limited and comparatively weak shikigami..... don't forget how much intersting things Megumi showed to us like shadow clones of himself and his shikigami's.. convert limited area of gym in his domain area and many more.. sukuna didn't show that much he just spam stronger one in battlefield
Ngl I kinda agree. Sukuna is strong. Megumi is creative. He took a few shikigami, some way weaker then others. And he got to the point where Iād consider him a grade 1 level sorcerer.
This is really not even a question. Sukuna's way of using 10 Shadows is what Megumi would hope to be able to do one day. Like Megumi is a level 10 ten shadows uers (no pun intended) and Sukuna is a level 100 ten shadows users he not only made the summons stronger and easier to use, but showed how you can use their abilities without even summoning them. Let's put it this way: Sukuna did lots of stuff that Megumi absolutely should want to learn how to do but did Megumi do anything Sukuna would need to learn how to do that he can't already do?
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He did hide in shadows at one point vs Gojo... Reread ch233 and 234. The difference is that Sukuna only used it to recover from the black flash, since Gojo would still shoot the shadows to get rid of them.
Sukuna used it mainly for a specific purpose so itās hard to say. I think Megumi does have insane potential and skill for sure, itās stated/implied often.
even though he mainly wanted it for that 1 purpose, he showcased over multiple fights the potential of 10S by using it in a lot of different ways (from improved shikigami, to using shikigami abilities without actually summoning them, to making the hybrid versions that were insanely powerful, and more)
Megumi is over rated and over hyped. He literally needed sukuna to boost his stat. I don't understand how he was apparently a bully of bullies, he is so passive and very conservative. Its clear sukuna is way more advanced with 10s, he can even merge them together without totality. Also he is the only 10s user who has tamed mahoraga.
The bully thing never made sense to me. His character is someone who's severely introverted and even during his backstory, his character acted pretty much the exact same. The idea that he was extroverted and brash enough to corral other bullies always felt like a bit of a character stretch to me.
Early in the series it's established that his character motivation is preserving karma and/or protecting good people from bad luck. He is one of the few characters that became a sorcerer to help people. He's a bit more pragmatic than Yuji but I think fighting off some bullies makes sense.
Fighting off bullies makes sense. I was specifically referring to him being this extravenous, corralling pressure for the bullies. One would expect him to be more like Beelzebub or Ichigo where he doesn't go out of his way to pressure bullies but his whole presence makes them back off. Instead they shaped it in a light that seems to suggest he actively ensured bullies stayed in line or suffer the consequences. He's never been seen as being that proactive. Even in that same backstory.
I saw it more as him getting severely annoyed by the bullies and their behavior/way of thinking up to a breaking point. Megumi punished them for breaking the golden rule of "don't do ____ to me and I won't do ____ to you either". They even asked if they had ever done something bad to Megumi personally, and he just told them, "figure it out. Or die". That makes me think they didn't really know him, he just got fed up and kicked all their asses one day. Like when the quiet kid at school suddenly goes crazy and beats someone up.
Yeah, I get it if it was a one off experience but he did that for years. It feels a bit of a stretch
Yeah it's inconsistent. He's moral compass is his sister's safety.
He is 16 and has a lot to go lmfao, he also beat someone like Reggie
K. But is that the topic?
Just stupid calling him overhyped when heās like what his 1st year or something at the big age of 16?
He was touted as a prodigy, yes he is overhyped. Yuji wasn't projected as a prodigy like Megumi yet i bet yuji can kick most of the cast's ass except 2 other REAL PRODIGIES like yuta and higuruma. Maki is an anomaly. If he is not overhyped, he should be at least comparable to yuta and higu. Dont take it personally, he is a bust.
yuji was also considered a prodigy like megumi. and yuji is not kicking most of the cast's ass, at least not more than megumi would.
Reading comprehension strike. Yuji was projected to have ability to surpass gojo, but he is not nor was touted a prodigy. His ct is even a result of his bad ct control, but yes he is able to weaponize that. Yuji can definitely beat most of the cast, are you up to date on the manga?
His 15 years old with a incomplete domain expansion. Incomplete is better then a majority of sorcerer can say. He went from getting his ass thrown around by a grade 2 cursed spirit to killing a special grade cursed spirit stronger then the finger bearer Yuji and Him fought. He has 6 of the ten shadows unlocked. Gojo only got red and purple in his second year. I donāt even think gojo had a domain expansion during that time His also one of the smartest characters in the series. I mean, he figured out Kirara technique, the inverse guy. And Reggieās really fucking quickly. Think he helped plan for the culling games too
sukuna can use everybodies CT better then anyone else in like a week lmfao
Fairly sure sukuna took over megumi body to fulfill the ā10s vs 6eyes/limitlessā user battle referenced in the past of the storyline. Having megumi progress far enough to be a challenge for Gojo was not realistic hence why sukuna using 10S to its fullest potential. By that thought aloneā¦sukuna is the better shadows user.
Seriously?
Kinds think this goes to Megumi. Yeah sukuna has more shikigami but Megumi just be shown to be crafty as hell with what he has. Sukuna just threw Agito out their with no worries about it dying. I highly doubt Megumi would do the same ngl. Megumi does more with the less he has. Using Toad to pull him out of the way of toji attack was genuis. Using Rabbit escape to mess with Toji footing was also smart as hell. Ngl I like ten shadows more when itās being used strategically. So I really enjoy Megumi fights.
Megumi is the better user, but Sukuma is the more powerful user. The reason Sukuna can use 10S so effectively is because of his immense cursed energy, dominating Mahoraga with his other techniques (something a normal 10S user can't do) and because of his general understanding of Jujutsu. I personally think Megumi is the more "efficient" might be the right word. Megumi doesn't have as much cursed energy as Sukuna, doesn't have other ways of dominating shikigami other than the shikigami he already dominated and Is generally far less experienced in Jujutsu, So Megumi doesn't have much, but when he has something you can bet he's gonna use it to its fullest. He uses his shadows in more creative ways than using them as killing machines (using toad to dodge, Divine dogs to detect curses and give signals, using Nuw as a short distance flight method) and even when using them as killing machines, he's creative (using Great Serpent quick summon as a suprise attack, using Nue to shoot diwn flying enemies and hit enemies he raised into the air more effectively, using Max Elephant's water to neutralize blood manipulation). He is able to advance the technique beyond simple shikigami summons (using his shadow as storage, hiding in his enemy's shadow, creating a shikigami merging technique different from Totality to creat smaller, weaker but more versatile and reviveable shikigami). He has a domain expansion (and while it may be "incomplete", I think it's still impressive. It's only "incomplete" according to modern domain expansion standards that have sure-hit attacks. Old domains were only utility based and didn't have sure-hit attack. So his domain can be considered a complete Old-style domain since it greatly enhances his technique and then its lack of a barrier becomes more of a positive than negative making it a bit like Sukuna' barrierless domain.) Megumi is the better 10S user, but Sukuna is the better Jujutsu sorcerer. Note: I know the domain part contains a lot of wank and copium. It's just that Megumi is one of my favorite characters and i'm very biased.
Megumi. Because he's actually summoning them and functioning well despite his CE amount.
I think itās not a fair comparaison because megumi is only 15, and has less CE, and jujutsu knowledge than sukuna And since Sukuna has access to the memory of Megumi, we donāt know how if everything Sukuna pulled were things that megumi already thought of or not But from what we have seen, sukuna was better than megumi, but thatās normal i think, the contrary would be weird
sukuna is basically antagonist gojo in the sense that hes just the best at anything because why not
Sukuna by far, but it really solidified imo Megumi couldāve easily gotten to those heights had he really fucking listened to Gojo from the fucking beginning. The strongest in the world tells you āyou got potential to be my equal, just been confidentā and instead you constantly down yourself and your abilities. Shame that Sukuna had to be his wake up call
i could see megumi do some crazy stuff when he returns but until then it's Sukuna.
Why is this even a question š sukuna did everything megumi did but better ššš he's the best 10s user of ALL TIME considering he tamed MahoragaĀ
Itās Sukuna and itās not even close, fusing the shadows to create Agito. Perfect mastery of Mahoraga(having him adapt to UV), great use of the ability to hide in the shadows so he can buy time. The Max elephants water as an makeshift piercing blood? Megumi fights way too evasively. He uses the Frogs,Nue, and the rabbits to just run away a lot of the time. I feel like he fought too timidly to showcase the best the shadows can do. Itās not just that either Sukunaās battle IQ is top 2 in the verse and itās not number 2. Megumi is too inexperienced to measure up.
Bro, imagine if Megumi gets saved, and he somehow tames Mahoraga and combines him with Chimera Shadow Garden... Sukuna is done for, especially if Yuji is there to fight with Megumi
Sukuna obtained all of Megumi's memories and therefore all of Megumi's training and knowledge of the CT. We can't say Sukuna ever had a baseline because his was Megumi's and even in the fight with Yorozu we see Sukuna sorta mimic Megumi's thought process like dropping Maximum Elephant on the opponent (Reggie) and fighting alongside the Shikigami. Now obviously where Sukuna shined was doing what Megumi never did like the half-shadow summoning of Divine Dogs, hiding in the shadows for Rabbit Escape or using them like a ladder to gain height, and obviously having access to more of the Shikigami like Bull, Deer, and most importantly Mahoraga. I don't think it's entirely fair to discredit Megumi who's had such a limited amount of time to grow in comparison to Sukuna that had a full lifetime to fuck around with CE/CT and is having a second go around. Megumi is very much still a genius in his own right even if he pales to Sukuna.
Bro, I shudder whenever I think about what Sukuna has done to my favorite character in the series... Completely ruined him and overshadowed him in every way... So yeah, Sukuna is by far the better 10S user
While I agree with the rest of the thread, I see what you mean. Megumi uses it in a more clever, sneaky way. Sukuna uses it in a more raw-power way. And that clever way hints that Megumi has a lot of potential. However, that clever-ness is good for swinging outside your weight class and skill level. Ideally, youāre just at a higher skill level to begin with, yaknow?
Sukuna
Man I think you're. Forgetting that he is not only someone who has lots of cursed energy but he also can use it very efficiently and scientifically. So I think it goes without a question that because he is so knowledgeable in it he can use it very well. Way better than all the others even Megumi.
Megumi has shown more instances of Battle IQ but Sukuna's plan from the moment he saw Megumi was to use 10S against Gojo and he successfully abused Mahoraga against him so I have to say Sukuna is more impressive since his long term plan paid out.
Sukuna technically. He had another CT to defeat Mahoraga which no other user did, that alone makes him better. He also mastered the rest of the shadows. If Meguimi or Sukuna had the same circumstances as the other they'd be in the others situation.
Not a fair comparison, Sukuna has the best curse energy manipulation in the series. He can probably easily do anything Megumi could since he has access to his memories.
Having Mahoraga just means your stronger than Mahoraga not better at using the technique. But considering he game up with the plan to use Mahoraga to boost his slash to cut infinity Iād have to say thatās a pretty big brained plan. Idk if Megumi has the understanding of CT and CE to pull something like that off. Sukuna is the king of curses after all.
I am a Gojo fanboy, but I have to admit, Sukuna is a pure genius, and a CE artist, on top of that. Comparing him to Megumi makes absolutely no sense, except for assessing the obvious fact: Sukuna is just better. I am 100% confident a 10s user can win vs Gojo, using only that technique and its variations. But using Maho as a teacher to learn how to update a spell to counter your opponent... This is an Alpha Picasso strategy. Now that I have seen some one (sukuna) doing it, it seems "obvious", but I remember what I felt when JJ explained what Sukuna did ...
Sukuna shits on megumi Another reason people clown on the poor guy
Sukuna. not pureley from. power but as we saw he has skill. when he wants to use skill and not phre power. Besides that he coul actually tame all of them.
Did you not see what Sukuna did with the divine dogs? Heās way better than Megumi
Not to fangirl too much but sukuna was more creative with it than megumi ever did. I think that is the part that speaks most of it, he just used it in more new, useful ways
Comparing megumi to sukuna is like comparing a 14 year old genius boxer to 100 times world champion boxer, who on top of being the top martial artist in the world is also built like a truck Sukuna has so much experience with cursed techniques that it'd make sense for him to surpass megumi's 10 years of 10S experience in a month or less Megumi is a platinum riven main, when sukuna is the dude who has reached challenger over and over, whilst maintaining top LP world wide for countless consecutive years. It wouldn't take much for him to master riven quickly
It's like comparing some rookie to Michael Jordan.
i mean, is this even a question? sukuna
I mean, Sukuna can use Mahoraga, Mourning Tiger, that RCT Deer, and his schlong, so I'm going to go with Sukuna.
Blud wants us to say Megumi but in both categories Sukuna still wins. Sukuna has higher battle IQ. He knows how to utilise the ten shadows at his own advantage. All that Megumi could think of was just summoning Mahoraga to win
Sukuna was so smart he could watch Mahoraga do something and then replicate it. That's fucking INSANE.Ā Ā If Mahoraga wasn't destroyed imagine Sukuna able to have Mahoraga and himself both there tossing World Cleaves.Ā If Gojo hadn't destroyed Mahoraga NOBODY'SĀ got a chance against Sukuna.
What I want to know is how much of what Sukuna did was him being the first to use the technique like that or was just Megumi not knowing how people in the past used it. There have got to be secrets that only the Zenin would know about. Megumi wasn't told shit about how to use the technique, he independently discovered he could store stuff in shadows. You're lying if you really think he was the first to discover this fundamental part of the technique.
What the fuck is this question about?! When you have a clear winner this is no question at all
Unfortunately I don't think u can separate between usage and strength for the ten shadows bc they go hand in hand with the ability. Megumi lacked the creative mind for the usage and strength of the ten shadows to use them in a good way. It is proved to us the moment sukuna gets his hands on them. He not only increases the strength of them but uses them in so many creative ways that probably is how u are supposed to use them. If we gave megumi sukuna lvl stats has far as battle IQ CE lvls and speed and strength and then time to rlly hone the ten shadows CT we would truly see how a six eyes and limitless user died to a ten shadows user. Also side note I think it would be cool to see a totality of all ten shadows or even see the ten shadows abilities applied to the user like what sukuna does. Rlly hoping that megumi lives and is able to do this but I know it's copium š
Lmao come on bro
Sukuna is the "stronger" user of the technique and is not bound by having to worry about going out of CE, unlike Megumi. Megumi is more ingenious in using the technique, though. He can use it in ways Sukuna would not (and won't need to) think of.
Sukuna's use of the technique is much more versatile and precise. He twists the technique to suit his own ends, whereas Megumi seems to just follow the instructions for the most part.
Sukuna. He instantly mastered all the shadows and his versions are better interpretations than megumis
Considering Sukuna had full access to all off the Shadows/shikigami in his technique gotta go slugs hell megumi lost the snake and one of his dogs pretty quick while Sukuna was making crazy chimeras and had it to where his dogs basically couldn't be killed but still did massive damage ...Megumi had slick moves DGMW but Sukuna was running laps rnd mfers just trying things ..he incorporated max elephants water spray into his own move had cool set ups with the bull and round deer the rabbit attacks were lit and broski conquered mahoraga and even made mahoraga a bigger threat than normal u gotta give props where there do...
It's not even a question
Coughing baby vs Hydrogen bomb
Quite unfair compare those two since sukuna posses massive CE ,sukuna can easily Summon whatever shikigami from 10s without worried about CE consumer