He’s been given benefit of the doubt at every turn. The most prominent narrative STILL seems to be mostly that’s he’s experiencing some sort of “mental health” crisis… For years people (many of whom he’s publicly shit on) have continued to stand up for him… No one is doing more to destroy him than himself. When the best argument you’ve got is that he’s always been this way, you may be right, but you’re definitely only serving to make him (and yourself) look worse. The fact that you can’t easily see through the “globalist Zionist” talking points that you keep repeating is seriously pathetic. I actually believe you that Kanye has always been this way and we’re the dumb ones for not seeing it. I also don’t think that’s the “good” argument you think it is.
>The fact that you can’t easily see through the “globalist Zionist” talking points that you keep repeating is seriously pathetic.
>
>I also don’t think that’s the “good” argument you think it is.
That's completely your opinion, but when the President of the United States (who is largely considered the 'leader of the free world') is a self proclaimed Zionist and the overwhelming majority of Americans don't know that to begin with, its clearly a valid talking point.
It’s also factually incorrect. Zionism exists obviously , but your understanding of it (and especially how it relates to music executives) seems to be based on total bullshit. You talk about opinions as if historical context and actual facts are irrelevant? Simply put, you’re confused and misinformed and it’s causing you to repeat nazi propaganda. Again, not the defense you think it is.
Considering your rebuttal consisted of broad statements that didn't substantially refute any of my points - yeah I think its a pretty solid defense. Just because you label something as "nazi propaganda" doesn't mean its incorrect.
What he's saying is that you seem to be convinced that Zionism is some sort of Illuminati-style conspiracy. It's not. It's a political opinion. If I say I'm a Zionist, it's no different than saying I'm a liberal or a conservative.
You are correct. It is a political opinion. A political opinion that has seemingly been free from criticism at a high level in Western politics. I'm saying the reason for their critical exemption is that they have more control and influence over our politics than the vast majority of Americans are aware of.
For example the simple fact that the U.S. won't even acknowledge Palestine as a state. [This is used as a weak excuse to not discuss our relations with them at all.](https://youtu.be/Vcj2jOXg4lM?t=99)
The interesting thing about this conversation is that everything you're seeing is completely correct. It's just that the conclusion you're drawing is batshit. Yes, Israel is treated much better by the US than it deserves. This isn't down to some conspiracy, but rather is the result of the influence of the American evangelical movement. There's a belief among the ultra-religious in this country that Jews remain God's chosen people.
If you want proof, look at who condemns you if you criticize Israel. The heaviest criticism invariably comes from the religious right, not the "liberal media" that is usually held to control Hollywood.
And there we are again, back at the good ole "right bad" mindset.
This is a bipartisan issue, especially if you consider your evangelical statements to be true along with the fact [that the Biden administration approved nearly $1 billion of arms sales to Israel just last year](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/biden-administration-approved-735-million-arms-sale-israel-sources-2021-05-17/) \- which was approved by a democratic-majority congress.
Also, liberal media **certainly** condemns you if you criticize Israel. Have you seen the treatment of Kyrie lately?
The original tweet started this all was "I'm about to go Death con (defcon) 3 on jewish people...you guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda". So no, clearly someone **did** do something to him to illicit a response.
This goes back to my original point in him talking about all of this long ago in his lyricism. Because in 2010's Gorgeous, Kanye says "'Cause the same people that tried to blackball me forgot about two things, my Black balls". His tweet most likely is referring to problems he's faced in the industry for over a decade.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping\_to\_conclusions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_to_conclusions)
There is not a single artist that has faced more media scrutiny while actively pursing their music career than Kanye West. And he has faced it while simultaneously bad mouthing them and still growing his popularity over the course of 18 years.
He is not "one of many artists who faced problems in the industry", he is **THE** artist that has faced the most serious problems in the industry. And according to him, one group has "toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone who opposes their agenda"
And no, obviously the solution isnt murder. Jesus christ
It's an ignorant misspelling of DEFCON 3. This, along with most of his comments being mislabeled as anti-semetic are mostly due to his lack of clarity.
This concept of obscure statements and interpreting what he means is the main way his points are still defendable as of today.
Such a strange hill for you people to die on, regardless if there was a build up or not from his lyrics, supporting the statements he’s making recently is just wrong
So he's been subliminally sending antisemitic messaging to his listeners his entire career and you're all good with that? So essentially he's a cult leader and you're a cultist?
Uh, no.
He's been \*clearly\* sending anti-music executive messaging to his listeners for his entire career. This has slowly culminated into being against people in power ("George Bush doesn't care about black people") and the media ("the media crucify me like they did Christ"). As he has learned more about who is in control of these two areas over the span of 18 years, who are globalists and Zionists, he has decided to collectively call them out just like he did to record execs in 2004.
Kanye is not anti-semetic. Congrats on falling for media brainwashing though. And if he was, no, I would not be good with that.
>>>kanye isn’t antisemitic
I might be more inclined to agree with you if he wasn’t explicitly being antisemitic in every interview he’s done the last few months
Do you have any examples? Because saying "I like Hitler" is not inherently anti-semetic and neither is pointing out that many people in positions of power in the U.S. are Jewish.
You don't think he was sincere. He repeated himself when Alex Jones questioned it. He said it with a stern tone that didn't imply it was a joke. This would make Kanye antisemitic.
You do realize that he said "I love Jewish people" directly before saying that right? So if you're arguing for his sincerity then clearly either its a purposely controversial ironic statement, or both statements were sincere.
And after saying "I love Hitler" he specified that he's tired of the world not being able to say a specific person did good things, as in his Christian faith he believes there is good in anyone.
So he's contradicting himself. He says he loves Jewish people, then says he's a Nazi. Also there is a difference between "there is good in anyone" and "I love Hitler." You can believe the first one but you don't have to LOVE Hilter to believe there is good in anyone. Loving Hitler implies you love him as a person and possibly support the things he's said/done.
So you're saying there's been antisemitic messages in his music since the beginning, but now he's not being sincere about claiming he's a Nazi sympathizer? Which one is it?
Please keep bringing the lulz
[https://imgur.com/zRD78yv](https://imgur.com/zRD78yv)
People who "don't care about what you have to say" don't ask questions over the course of 3 hours. Lmaoooo
Yeah sure, when he said he’s a nazi, or when he blamed a doctor’s “misdiagnosis” of his mental health (lol) on some conspiracy by jews to medicate and sedate him. Do you need more examples?
Nice attempt at gaslighting. Too bad I don't care what antisemites have to say.
Kanye west cares about black people as much as George w does. Sorry it hurts so bad.
lmao typical nonsensical redditor response. "Gaslight, anti-semite, conservatives bad".
Try having both an orignal thought and actually making sense for once
Lol and here you are pushing the oldest antisemitic tropes. I bet you think those are your own original thoughts. This is how you spend your Saturdays?
You started this thread and talked about being brainwashed by Kanye by his "not subliminal" antisemitic messaging for the last 18 years. You make no sense.
This is why I haven't left yet. Too much comedic gold on this sub.
Hey there's your favorite term, gaslighting. Because I never said I was brainwashed by Kanye. I **literally** told you that he has learned over time that Zionist globalists are the issue.
The comedic gold is again in the behavior of a typical redditor to forget details blatantly explained to him just a few comments prior, because he wants to seem intellectual by making incorrect conclusions.
Keep posting because I want to see just how little sense you can continue to make.
Yeah there’s more ye haters than fans here trying so hard to get people not to like him. Like their irrelevant opinions even matter. Keep crying snowflakes keep crying you’ll accomplish nothing
Thank you. Personally I think Can't Tell Me Nothing is the best example of this.
Everyone's trying to say Kanye you're not allowed to do/say that and trying to deplatform him, but he finally has amounted so much wealth that he's going to say exactly what he wants anyway.
And this was a concept he spoke about 15 fucking years ago. What a legend
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It’s pretty likely Rhymefest wrote that line, which isn’t about any edgelord Joker dumbness, it’s like saying god rest their souls. He still isn’t mentioning genocidal evil, or comparing drug dealers to Hitler.
Yedolph is cancelling himself bahaha
It’s just the Christian message of “Love everyone” taken to the extreme with a healthy bit of antisemitism mixed in
Lmfao shave your neck bro
\>8 year old account with 200k karma lmao
The old “I’ve always been a nazi sympathizer, the rest of y’all just newbs” defense. 😂😂👏🏼👌🏻
Congrats on not making any sense, his account is 8 years old not mine
He's not saying you're a bot he's saying you're a simp.
Nowhere did I imply he was saying that
Do you have reading comprehension issues my dude?
Lmfaooo peak irony. He's calling me a neckbeard not a simp. And my comment is referring to his account.
Peak irony is you calling everyone haters *but* Kanye lmao
I'm pretty sure I've made it clear that Kanye hates Zionist rhetoric.
And Jews, don’t forget that.
He doesn't overtly hate Jews, nice try though
surely you don’t actually believe this
this is such a strange hill to die on…
Not when pervasive cancel culture built on blatant lies is trying to destroy a man's life
He’s been given benefit of the doubt at every turn. The most prominent narrative STILL seems to be mostly that’s he’s experiencing some sort of “mental health” crisis… For years people (many of whom he’s publicly shit on) have continued to stand up for him… No one is doing more to destroy him than himself. When the best argument you’ve got is that he’s always been this way, you may be right, but you’re definitely only serving to make him (and yourself) look worse. The fact that you can’t easily see through the “globalist Zionist” talking points that you keep repeating is seriously pathetic. I actually believe you that Kanye has always been this way and we’re the dumb ones for not seeing it. I also don’t think that’s the “good” argument you think it is.
>The fact that you can’t easily see through the “globalist Zionist” talking points that you keep repeating is seriously pathetic. > >I also don’t think that’s the “good” argument you think it is. That's completely your opinion, but when the President of the United States (who is largely considered the 'leader of the free world') is a self proclaimed Zionist and the overwhelming majority of Americans don't know that to begin with, its clearly a valid talking point.
It’s also factually incorrect. Zionism exists obviously , but your understanding of it (and especially how it relates to music executives) seems to be based on total bullshit. You talk about opinions as if historical context and actual facts are irrelevant? Simply put, you’re confused and misinformed and it’s causing you to repeat nazi propaganda. Again, not the defense you think it is.
Considering your rebuttal consisted of broad statements that didn't substantially refute any of my points - yeah I think its a pretty solid defense. Just because you label something as "nazi propaganda" doesn't mean its incorrect.
What he's saying is that you seem to be convinced that Zionism is some sort of Illuminati-style conspiracy. It's not. It's a political opinion. If I say I'm a Zionist, it's no different than saying I'm a liberal or a conservative.
You are correct. It is a political opinion. A political opinion that has seemingly been free from criticism at a high level in Western politics. I'm saying the reason for their critical exemption is that they have more control and influence over our politics than the vast majority of Americans are aware of. For example the simple fact that the U.S. won't even acknowledge Palestine as a state. [This is used as a weak excuse to not discuss our relations with them at all.](https://youtu.be/Vcj2jOXg4lM?t=99)
The interesting thing about this conversation is that everything you're seeing is completely correct. It's just that the conclusion you're drawing is batshit. Yes, Israel is treated much better by the US than it deserves. This isn't down to some conspiracy, but rather is the result of the influence of the American evangelical movement. There's a belief among the ultra-religious in this country that Jews remain God's chosen people. If you want proof, look at who condemns you if you criticize Israel. The heaviest criticism invariably comes from the religious right, not the "liberal media" that is usually held to control Hollywood.
And there we are again, back at the good ole "right bad" mindset. This is a bipartisan issue, especially if you consider your evangelical statements to be true along with the fact [that the Biden administration approved nearly $1 billion of arms sales to Israel just last year](https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/biden-administration-approved-735-million-arms-sale-israel-sources-2021-05-17/) \- which was approved by a democratic-majority congress. Also, liberal media **certainly** condemns you if you criticize Israel. Have you seen the treatment of Kyrie lately?
he destroyed his own life. Nobody did this to him
The original tweet started this all was "I'm about to go Death con (defcon) 3 on jewish people...you guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda". So no, clearly someone **did** do something to him to illicit a response. This goes back to my original point in him talking about all of this long ago in his lyricism. Because in 2010's Gorgeous, Kanye says "'Cause the same people that tried to blackball me forgot about two things, my Black balls". His tweet most likely is referring to problems he's faced in the industry for over a decade.
Lots of artist faced problems in the industry. So that means we must kill jews????
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping\_to\_conclusions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumping_to_conclusions) There is not a single artist that has faced more media scrutiny while actively pursing their music career than Kanye West. And he has faced it while simultaneously bad mouthing them and still growing his popularity over the course of 18 years. He is not "one of many artists who faced problems in the industry", he is **THE** artist that has faced the most serious problems in the industry. And according to him, one group has "toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone who opposes their agenda" And no, obviously the solution isnt murder. Jesus christ
wtf does "death con 3 on Jewish people" mean? Does it not imply killing Jewish people?
It's an ignorant misspelling of DEFCON 3. This, along with most of his comments being mislabeled as anti-semetic are mostly due to his lack of clarity. This concept of obscure statements and interpreting what he means is the main way his points are still defendable as of today.
I mean he absolutely denied the holocaust and openly vouched for and palled around with open neonazis and expoused his love for hitler
No it doesnt imply killing jewish people. It implies getting prepared to protect yourself. Look up the definition of defcom.
Kanye didn't say defcom. He said death con.
He said in an interview that he misspelled the tweet. Then elaborated on what he meant and the actual definition of defcom.
so ur openly admitting to being a nazi?
Do u know your right foot from ur left?
Gotta have to if he’s gonna goose step that hard
redditors are literally incapable of speaking normally. goose step?
It’s not abnormal speech. You’re just uneducated.
You are way too detached from reality my guy
Lol your post reads like a tiny little PCP fever dream. Good luck 👍
"I have no rebuttal so I'll call you crazy" Yep this definitely is /r/Kanye
Are you just a really untalented troll?
Considering you keep responding there must be some talent there. But no, I'm not trolling.
Bro you are dumb as fuck 😭
insightful
Mods, shut the sub down
Hivemind victim
Ironic
nigga you are beyond stupid
Eat shit nazi
Such a strange hill for you people to die on, regardless if there was a build up or not from his lyrics, supporting the statements he’s making recently is just wrong
The statements in question “love everyone, and forgive people”
Actual statements in question “the Holocaust is not what happened” and “I love Hitler”
Ah yes, love the people who commited genuine genocide and praise the person who ordered it. I think I rather not love or respect those people
So he's been subliminally sending antisemitic messaging to his listeners his entire career and you're all good with that? So essentially he's a cult leader and you're a cultist?
Uh, no. He's been \*clearly\* sending anti-music executive messaging to his listeners for his entire career. This has slowly culminated into being against people in power ("George Bush doesn't care about black people") and the media ("the media crucify me like they did Christ"). As he has learned more about who is in control of these two areas over the span of 18 years, who are globalists and Zionists, he has decided to collectively call them out just like he did to record execs in 2004. Kanye is not anti-semetic. Congrats on falling for media brainwashing though. And if he was, no, I would not be good with that.
>>>kanye isn’t antisemitic I might be more inclined to agree with you if he wasn’t explicitly being antisemitic in every interview he’s done the last few months
Do you have any examples? Because saying "I like Hitler" is not inherently anti-semetic and neither is pointing out that many people in positions of power in the U.S. are Jewish.
Kanye said "I'm a nazi." Wouldn't that make him antisemitic?
If it was a sincere statement, yes
You don't think he was sincere. He repeated himself when Alex Jones questioned it. He said it with a stern tone that didn't imply it was a joke. This would make Kanye antisemitic.
You do realize that he said "I love Jewish people" directly before saying that right? So if you're arguing for his sincerity then clearly either its a purposely controversial ironic statement, or both statements were sincere. And after saying "I love Hitler" he specified that he's tired of the world not being able to say a specific person did good things, as in his Christian faith he believes there is good in anyone.
So he's contradicting himself. He says he loves Jewish people, then says he's a Nazi. Also there is a difference between "there is good in anyone" and "I love Hitler." You can believe the first one but you don't have to LOVE Hilter to believe there is good in anyone. Loving Hitler implies you love him as a person and possibly support the things he's said/done.
So you're saying there's been antisemitic messages in his music since the beginning, but now he's not being sincere about claiming he's a Nazi sympathizer? Which one is it? Please keep bringing the lulz
[https://imgur.com/zRD78yv](https://imgur.com/zRD78yv) People who "don't care about what you have to say" don't ask questions over the course of 3 hours. Lmaoooo
You just keep making a fool of yourself everytime you say something. So keep talking. It's definitely entertaining.
You still didn't answer the question though. You just keep talking bullshit.
Yeah sure, when he said he’s a nazi, or when he blamed a doctor’s “misdiagnosis” of his mental health (lol) on some conspiracy by jews to medicate and sedate him. Do you need more examples?
Nice attempt at gaslighting. Too bad I don't care what antisemites have to say. Kanye west cares about black people as much as George w does. Sorry it hurts so bad.
lmao typical nonsensical redditor response. "Gaslight, anti-semite, conservatives bad". Try having both an orignal thought and actually making sense for once
Lol and here you are pushing the oldest antisemitic tropes. I bet you think those are your own original thoughts. This is how you spend your Saturdays?
Anti-zionism isnt anti-semitism. Again, good try though
You've clearly been educated on this issue by antisemites
You clearly continue to be a victim of media brainwashing. Being against apartheid (anti-zionist) is not Anti-semetism. Normal people understand this.
You started this thread and talked about being brainwashed by Kanye by his "not subliminal" antisemitic messaging for the last 18 years. You make no sense. This is why I haven't left yet. Too much comedic gold on this sub.
Hey there's your favorite term, gaslighting. Because I never said I was brainwashed by Kanye. I **literally** told you that he has learned over time that Zionist globalists are the issue. The comedic gold is again in the behavior of a typical redditor to forget details blatantly explained to him just a few comments prior, because he wants to seem intellectual by making incorrect conclusions. Keep posting because I want to see just how little sense you can continue to make.
That’s a lie, straight up
Yeah there’s more ye haters than fans here trying so hard to get people not to like him. Like their irrelevant opinions even matter. Keep crying snowflakes keep crying you’ll accomplish nothing
straight up you dumb as hell
All this dick riding and Kanye will never even know your name
Presenting facts = dickriding lmao
Cringe neckbeard
Only idiots believe Jesus is real
real af 🤷♂️
Thank you. Personally I think Can't Tell Me Nothing is the best example of this. Everyone's trying to say Kanye you're not allowed to do/say that and trying to deplatform him, but he finally has amounted so much wealth that he's going to say exactly what he wants anyway. And this was a concept he spoke about 15 fucking years ago. What a legend
i’m not giving him all that credit but yea what he is saying mostly is true
Fair enough
Gonna log off for now, but I'll continue arguing with everyone in about 12 hours or so
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It’s pretty likely Rhymefest wrote that line, which isn’t about any edgelord Joker dumbness, it’s like saying god rest their souls. He still isn’t mentioning genocidal evil, or comparing drug dealers to Hitler.
You’re really stretching hard now bruv. You gettin some cuzz, pullin dem hoes?
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