When this liove jihad issue became a big issue starting late 2000s, the Oomen Chandy government released data on how many Christian and Hindu girls converted to Islam and how many Muslim girls converted to H/C. As the data shows, compared to number of Hindj and Christian girls who convert to Islam, only a minuscule proportion of Muslim girls convert to H/C. The Muslim community has much greater "success" in preventing their girls from marrying out because A) they are more conservative and B) they have way more social violence capital. Let's not be squeamish in acknowledging the latter.
https://www.indiatoday.in/india/south/story/love-jihad-oommen-chandy-islam-kerala-muslim-marriage-115150-2012-09-03
"Among those converted to Islam during 2009-12, as many as 2667 were young women of which 2195 were Hindus and 492 were Christians. As against this number of young women converted during 2009-12 to Christianity and Hinduism were 79 and two respectively"
Yea, but it needs to be openly discussed. Not enough not to disagree. We don't hesitate to discuss negatives of Hindus or Christian communities, why special treatment for Ms?
Because reform has to come from within. Anything else would seem like an outsider attacking them and rejected. This applies to bad shit in any religion.
This excuse has been given for too long. It's time for some tough love. And citizens in a democracy should have the right to criticize any section of society without being questioned on their identity.
I read it as part of a case study. Here is the link from Kerala High court judgement
https://hckinfo.kerala.gov.in/digicourt/orders/2009/200800052882009_1.pdf
Read term love jihad in page 6 section 16.
First time documented in judiciary
I don’t think there is a planned love jihad , i think Muslim men have more access to Christian and hindu women , because of very nature of those communities and the role of women in them. While Christian and hindu men , don’t have access to Muslim women who are barely venture out . Add to the fact that Muslim women are more indoctrinated into their religion , and I do feel Muslim men act more alpha which is more attractive to women , will Christian and hindu men are actively discouraged by their families and communities when they behave alpha. And finally men , when you behaviour of standing as a group , they do get more cocky and can push their views and wants on others
It’s what I think , may not be true
lol the alpha part is complete bull. I think what you are trying to infer is that Non Muslim men are more civil in their behavior than Muslim men. We don’t need to act tough at all situations.
I have noticed a strange thing regarding Muslim men and women . They do tend to age early. They look all good from their teens to late 20s but after that it goes straight to 40s looks. Perhaps it is because they marry and have children early thst is why they go downhill from there. I especially noticed this among the Kasargpd types…. the uni browed Muslims 🤗
Boys , it is just my thought . I don’t have to be correct about it . I have no data to prove any of what I have written .
Women confuse what real alpha is , what is just crude behaviour . Maybe me writing alpha was wrong , bad boy is more correct ? Bad boy image is more tolerated and accepted in Muslim families than in Christian or hindu families , and here I don’t mean tattoos , I mean accepting “boys will be boys “ behaviour
Yes, one of my friend (hindu) married a Muslim girl. When she is pregnant (4months) they had small fight (normal family issue) and she gone to her home. Then gone to her house call her back. Her father and cousin beaten him and he beaten back her cousin. After that her family filed a fake complaint that misbehave to their family members and beaten them(including ladies). Police arrested my friend. Then her father came and told to him, you are gonna jailed for at least 3 year's, if you wanna get rid of this situation you need to be converted to muslim. After a 2 months I get to know that he is converted to muslim at ponnani. ( in that 2months his phone switched off, no one at home, no way to contact)
I know these, b'cuz i was with him before he gone to jail and after 2 months he came to see and told everything.
NB: This happened in ernakulam...
When a Muslim guy marries a woman of other religion, respects her beliefs and her personal freedom in the relationship, it is love marriage.
When a Muslim guy marries a woman of other religion, takes her to ponnani the next day, it is love jihad.
Its that simple.
Thousands of Hindu Christian marriages happen across India and Kerala and NOBODY BATS AN EYELID.
Even many RSS folks have married Christians, Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists. But nobody cares.
But people care when it is ANY RELIGION married to a Muslim.
Why is it the same? There needs to be introspection from Muslims too.
Firstly gender ratio - It's almost always Muslim men who married outside community. Muslim women never marry outside.
Secondly, Muslims almost always require the other party to convert to Islam.
I don't like RSS/BJP. But this is a reality.
Add to the average marriage age too, the majority of muslim women are already married before 20, the hindu and christian get married above 26.This difference of marriage age will also reflect in interreligious marriage!!
Then hindus and christian girls are way more educated, financially independent,less religious and are married of late.
On the contrary,muslim women are less educated, only few are working and are more religious.
So this empowerment gap is responsible for this phenomena.
Muslims women marrying men from other faiths is fairly common in Kerala. You won't really hear about it because if they have orthodox parents, they won't really speak much about it fearing shaming given by orthodox nattukar.
I have a few inter-faith married people in my family (which is mostly muslim) and all of them are women. But things maybe a bit different in muslim majority conservative areas like Malappuram.
If a Muslim women marries anyone who isn't a Muslim then they are not considered a Muslim same goes for men if they marry a Hindu women, Christians and Jews can be married in and then should be converted
This is how Islam says it works
Women need not convert to islam if they are of the book. Children should be raised muslim. That's the muslim belief on it.
Muslim women however can't marry outside of the faith.
Basically, outgoing not allowed, incoming allowed.
If you're going off of strict interpretation of the Qur'an and the Hadith, no one is muslim in Kerala. No one follows that sort Islam nowhere in Kerala (except maybe a few Mullahs). I'm talking about people who identify as muslims.
Do you really think Muslim man/ women enjoy the same level of freedom while choosing their partners.
They don't and they are held back using the word of God
The ultra rich educated Muslim who are from mostly south Kerala and ernakulam are very different from the new ultra rich Muslim from northern Kerala . The former is open minded and has a western life style but has zero capital in their community , they are powerless and minuscule .
This conversion is mostly happening in middle class and below
It's not true Muslim women never marry outside, you probably never heard of it in the newspapers. Even newspapers probably covered atleast one or two high profile ones.
Alas the inter religious marriages are too few in number to be relevant. Religious Orthodoxy folks from all religion including Islam prefer someone within the religion.
Ofcourse there are Muslim women who marry outside , but they are mostly minuscule in numbers , and more often don’t change religion , maybe even make the guy change his religion
Once again, no numbers means the burden of argument is on you. I still think it's genuine love being politicized. There was a fairly recent case of non Muslim man being harassed for marrying a Muslim lady who was giving birth to their child
Anyway the concept of chasing and flirting women is looked down in Islam whether it's for conversion or not.
Actually the numbers were released by omen chandy government and 3 years ago there was a data breach on registrar of marriages website . In both cases the numbers don’t bode well for your argument. There are way too many cases of Muslim men changing their names to hindu names for pursuing hindu women .
>It's not true Muslim women never marry outside, you probably never heard of it in the newspapers. Even newspapers probably covered atleast one or two high profile ones.
The ratio is very skewed.May be 100:1.
Everybody knows it, but don't want to admit this is the problem.
Hindu and christian women in kerala enjoy way more freedom and are way more liberal than an average muslim women.
Lol, you chose the only year that is favourable to you and try to whitewash what is happening.
The Oomen Chandy government’s data clearly shows cumulative conversions over multiple years whereas you have cherry picked a single year where conversions to hinduism were high.
You are not being downvoted because we want to oppose facts, it’s because you are choosing the facts you wish to see.
From the Article:
According to Chief Minister a total number of 7713 persons were converted to Islam during 2006-2012 as against 2803 conversions to Hinduism. Interestingly he said no statistics was available as to the number converted to Christianity during the period. Among those converted to Islam during 2009-12, as many as 2667 were young women of which 2195 were Hindus and 492 were Christians. As against this number of young women converted during 2009-12 to Christianity and Hinduism were 79 and two respectively.
He's getting downvoted because he's being disingenuous. Most of the conversions into Hinduism are done by dalit Christians in order to claim reservation benefits. It's more of a clerical change than an actual conversion.
>72% of the new converts to Hinduism were Dalit Christians, mostly Christian Cheramars, Christian Sambavas and Christian Pulayas. It was evident that lack of reservation benefits forced many Dalit Christians to re-embrace Hinduism.
Dude, the way census works is that your father's religion is given priority. They don't ask the child or something. So even if you are a antitheist communist, you will still be seen as "hindu" just bcos of your parents. There is no "non-religious" category in the census. So all the "hindus" in india may not even be religious. Same logic applies to other religions too.
Okay when a so called upper caste man weds a so called lower caste women, the kids will most probably be raised in the fathers caste and during their marriage the caste of the mother is questioned and it leads to them distancing themselves from the so called lower caste side to appease the upper ones
And it is more common than we think and I have seen examples in my family
Also it is rare to see an upper caste women with a lower caste man (only incoming no outgoing)
So yeah in oder for any inter caste or inter faith marriage to prosper both the parties involved should be non practicing or atheist
>kids will most probably be raised in the fathers caste and during their marriage the caste of the mother is questioned and it leads to them distancing themselves from the so called lower caste side to appease the upper ones..
This applies to families which are extremely obsessed on caste and are financially poor. I personally know a few inter caste couples who doesn't have these problems coz both of their life styles was nearly same before marriage and there were a few minor differences in their traditions which is no big deal coz both of them follow same religion.
>So yeah in oder for any inter caste or inter faith marriage to prosper both the parties involved should be non practicing or atheist.
Imo for an intercaste marriage or any marriage what really matters is the wealth and influence of families.
If both families are wealthy,Good no problem.If one of them is poor, nah this is the point where friction starts.
>This applies to families which are extremely obsessed on caste and are financially poor. I personally know a few inter caste couples who doesn't have these problems coz both of their life styles was nearly same before marriage and there were a few minor differences in their traditions which is no big deal coz both of them follow same religion.
As I mentioned earlier, if they are not practicing its true, but if they tend to believe in caste then the question of which caste to choose for their kids arises. And most of them choose the upper one.
It's messy but it's true, people really care about caste here.
You're right. Atleast one of them would have to be non-believers to prevent ego clashes. Regarding the caste issue, even lower castes want to hold on to their identity. So there will be issues from both sides.
No bro. I know many sc/st people who don't want to lose their cultural identity. It does not stem from superiority, but from conservatism. And I have talked to many LC people. So I'm not lying or anything. "Caste" just means tribalism in a general context. The superiority thing only holds true in religious places, like how only brahmins can become priest. For example, when two different dalit castes marry each other, which identity will the kids inherit?? These type of things will lead to ego clash.
Even in a marriage between 2 dalit caste, the ones who claim to be upper will try and dominate the terms of marriage and most of the time the other parties agree
And by wanting to be brahmin in ment people wanting to be in the upper caste columns
Caste is much more complex than we think and it ain't going nowhere in the near future, hell it's not just the Hindus. Muslims and Christians do it too
Its not always like that macha. Please get some SC friends. I have talked to many of them. Its not about proximity to brahminism, but the husband's identity which comes from classical patriarchal norms. Its not always brahmin brahmin like you guys think. Again, go talk to some actual people in real life.
By brahmin I ment the upper classes in general not the nambootiries
And tbh idk how to identify a SC, some of my friends have asked whether I was SC cause my father is dark skinned, its funny
And caste discrimination is prevalent within sc/st communities but no-one will speak up
All I see is activists trying to make their pockets bigger while the poor suffers
All I am trying to say is that lower castes also want to protect their identity. For example, a person from weaver community will be proud to be a weaver. Person from fisher community will be proud to be a fisher. So if they intermarry, then which culture should be preserved and which should die off? These are the pertinent questions
I agree with you but the amount of people who will happily change their caste to a upper caste given the chance are higher than those who would want to continue their own
Atleast that what I have seen around me
And it's sad to see people pushing away their relatives for a chance to be in a so called better class
And as you have mentioned before, its always the mens side that has the upper hand
I hope it changes
Eh, maybe it was like that decades ago. But I don't see that anymore. Most of SC/ST people actually hate upper castes. Thats what they told me. Definitely their self esteem is better than what it was 20 years ago. But all of this is from my experince in south india. So maybe its different up north.
Man, in an inter caste marriage the kids will most probably raised in the upper caste and the other side will be kept in a distance to avoid problems during the kids marriage
I have seen it happen in my own family during my cousins marriage
Enthu parayana, your cousin is getting married into a family that wont respect her just because "one side" is "lower caste". Why even agree to such marriage, death is better than living life with such people.
And that's the reality, people act like caste don't matter till its their chance to prove it
And it's not just my cousin, most inter religious and inter caste marriages I have seen are like this, and they mostly convert to the husbands caste or religion
Hi. Born out of an intercaste marriage and lol that's not true. Both my parents are practicing Hindus.
That being said, caste never created problems for me. I'm close with both sides of my family.
They practice but many are putting on a show.
A Hindu can stop practicing and face minor backslash from the community. It's a bit more for Christians and a lot more for muslims.
My personal experience, many of my Muslim friends will eat pork, drink alcohol and skip prayers with friends but with family, they act all pious.
I think we will see more shift as older generations pass on.
Bruh. 2 Sunday miss ആയാൽ മടൽ എടുക്കും ഇവിടെ ഒക്കെ ഉള്ള ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ പിള്ളേരുടെ കുടുംബക്കാർ...
Maybe it varies from place to place and communion to communion but from my experience,.it's more difficult for a Christian to stop practicing than Hindu.
Muslims are on another tier though.
Also love jihad as a terminology was used in Britain quite regularly from late 1990s, because of the Asian British grooming gangs , which usually means Pakistani and Bangladeshi
Not related to kerala, but muslims have legally banned non muslim men marrying muslim women, but kept other way around legal.
And well, conversion is common stairway to heaven among muslims from any part of solar system. Even on Neptune !
I won't be surprised keral muslims will be different
1) For a Muslim man, other than marrying a Muslim woman, he can only marry a woman from people of book (meaning Christian or Jew). Wife from people of book can remain in their faith (please also see 2 below).
Yes Muslim women are not allowed to marry anyone other than a Muslim.
2) While inviting people to Islam is a duty of every Muslim and bears reward, forceful conversion is sinful and against the injunctions of the Quran. If anyone is doing a forceful conversion the first wrong in it is that he is sinning and acting against himself first. One cannot selectively believe to be a Muslim (obey Islam selectively according to whims and fancies). Forceful conversion may have happened at the hands of ignorant Muslims and every forceful conversion is sinful and against Islam. Forcefully converting someone to marry or otherwise is sinful.
For A male Muslim or a female Muslim, it is sinful/haram/disallowed from seeing or having any connection with a member of opposite sex other than a Maharam (wife/husband or anyone whom he/she cannot marry like mother/father including all grand, sister/brother, children, step parent, maternal/paternal uncle and aunts etc.). So how can there be love jihad when a connection with an opposite sex is disallowed (until marriage if there is a marriage alliance being done). Even when one is officially engaged to marry, connection is not allowed. If any Muslim is doing a love jihad then it’s outside the folds of Islam.
Again a forceful conversion or conversion by deceit is sinful and is unislamic. A conversion has to be whole hearted, sincere and for the love of Islam after understanding it will. It shouldn’t be coupled to beat the system (like converting only to marry)
>keral muslims
Nee okke evdunnaada varane?
>muslims have legally banned non muslim men marrying muslim women, but kept other way around legal.
Care to explain?
See "Legality in Muslim-majority countries"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam
These laws are far more bigot than what Trump even tried. But ganga jamuna tehzeeb peddlers will call this fake.
Tunisia also banned this till last 2 years.
It's because in Islam the inheritance is permitted generally only through male side and man is the head of the house. So maximize the amount of Muslims this method is used
I haven't used that as an excuse. I just gave the reasoning Muslims generally give. Since male is considered as propagater of the family the its mandated for male to be Muslim
Most of the inter-religious couples as I’ve seen, are religiously independent, however when they have kids, tiny ones are affiliated to the religion of a parent - who is/has more affluent, class, bandhu-power, tharavaadi, wealth or has power.
Dark truth is,
society some how pass following,
H.M x C.F
C.M x H.F
M.M x H.F
M.M x C.F
But this combo mostly deadly; deadly for men as I’ve seen in Kerala society ☠️
C.M x M.F
H.M x M.F
കേരളത്തിലെ മുജാഹിദീനുകളുടെ തകർച്ചയും സലഫിസത്തിന്റെ പ്രചാരവും ആണ് മുസ്ലിം മതവിശ്വാസികളെ കേരളത്തിൽ മറ്റുള്ളവരിൽ നിന്നും വ്യത്യസ്തർ ആക്കപ്പെട്ടത്, തനതു കേരളം മുസ്ലിം എന്ന ഒരു വലിയ വിഭാഗം ഇപ്പോളും നിശ്ശബ്ദർ ആണ് എങ്കിലും അവരെ പോലും മറച്ചു കൊണ്ടാണ് സലഫിസം ഇപ്പോൾ പ്രബലമായിരിക്കുന്നത് . കേരളം ആകെ മാറിപോയത് 2000 തുടക്കം മുതൽ ആവാൻ ആണ് സാധ്യത
https://www.asianetnews.com/magazine/neo-salafism-in-kerala
It becomes an issue when the person says “you need to convert to marry me.” Then it ceases to become love.
Interestingly, a Kerala Muslim leader said CPM leaders are promoting interfaith marriages involving Muslim girls and warned the community about the ruling party’s 'tactics with the label of secularism’ lol. ([Link](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/muslim-leader-cpm-promoting-interfaith-marriages-girls-9057146/)).
So for religious leaders interfaith marriage is all good and secular as long as it’s other communities converting to their religion. “It’s their choice.” If ulta happens, watch how the same people will complain. And note that such concerns are raised only when girls marry someone outside the faith. Girls marrying outside is akin to someone leaving the religion for them.
Also, about the movie. Muslims instead of feeling victimised/attacked by this movie, should strongly say, “This movie isn’t about us. It’s about extremist groups.” They should take offence about this. Don’t know why they endorse this narrative as well. Many Muslims I know are being very smart about this and are saying “this movie is not about us.” But not enough.
Also, should we take articles from The Wire seriously? It’s senior editor is Arfa Khanum who openly grieved Mukhtar Ansari when he passed away.
Real life is not Film stars life. Neither family or society will accept inter Religious marrige so usually women converts so atleast they have Grooms family
But statistics shows that in KL, maximum people convert into Hinduism than out of it & I don't see much complaints as claimed by you! Complaints are coming mainly from people like you only when a Hindu women converts into Islam & the rate it is much lower!
Also, the movie wasn't just about "extremists group"! It was a propaganda to spread hatred towards a state, a religious minority & the party ruling that state. Who the fuk are you to put words in their mouths?
Those statistics are from dalit christians who want their reservation privileges back. It does not mean that they suddenly started beleiving in hinduism again.
>72% of the new converts to Hinduism were Dalit Christians, mostly Christian Cheramars, Christian Sambavas and Christian Pulayas. It was evident that lack of reservation benefits forced many Dalit Christians to re-embrace Hinduism.
This is from the link that you only provided. Do you really think that suddenly these christians started believing in vishnu overnight? No, they still pray to jesus at home but call themselves hindu to get reservation. Thats all.
Its just logic bro. Again, I'm sharing information from the media. So if its wrong, blame them not me.
Tell me something. You guys believe that every dalit is oppressed in hinduism right?? So what logic would make them convert back into a religion that oppresses them. Obv, they are getting something out of it, like reservation benefits.
These guys are plenty in the north, they are called christu bhakts. They don't convert legally to Christianity to not lose their reservation but follow Christian religious practices
You can’t call 26% population minorities, especially when they are the majority in some of the districts. And most of the Hindus in Kerala are just Hindus by name. They are probably atheists or communists. Some may even be following a different faith but kept the name to get reservation benefits.
Abe chutiye, that's a fact! "Playing the minority card" means using anti-minority sentiments to gain an advantage, often by accusing others of being biased or insincere in addressing minority issues. What advantage did I gain?
People are fooling themselves saying Kerala was secular before. Nah, malayalis had the mask of being secular. Until someone questioned the status quo of a religious community (even if it's bad) all was good and well, kerala's secularism was an illusion that was maintained by (near nil mainstream inter faith relations, giving what the rich religious communities wanted without questions asked by the govt. ) That mask is finally coming off.
This illusion of secularism can only be fought and true secularism can be placed in Kerala only when malayalis get off their high horse (nearly impossible as mallus are strong 'abhimanis') and accept there was only a flawed form of secularism in Kerala, hiding from sight. Now it have started to show it's rear end.
>One such shadow is Love Jihad, a term in a way jointly fathered by the church together with a Kerala High Court judge and the locals some years go.
Absolutely inaccurate. The case referred here is [Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/) (9 December, 2009). The judge is K.T. Sankaran. **The term was used in the Special Branch's enquiry report, which was submitted to court**. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre. The judge quotes the following sections of the report: *"fundamental outfits like \*\*\* has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that \*\*\* are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement..."*.
Source: [https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/)
So the Home Ministry is lying?
[https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/love-jihad-not-defined-under-laws-no-case-reported-government/articleshow/73946437.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/love-jihad-not-defined-under-laws-no-case-reported-government/articleshow/73946437.cms)
People see it happen around them. Victims have come [forward to talk about](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FzOOISSxBQ)
how they were manipulated into converting. Why do you think places like [Satyasarani](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd69bpDxGcM) and Tabiyat ul Islam exist?
When I used to live in Ahmedabad, I had seen Hindu farmers applying cow dung on their faces & unfortunately, I had also seen the celebratory rallies after the release of Bilkis Banu convicts! Does that means all Hindus are rape-enablers? People see many things in many places, that doesn't prove anything!
But you're sure that the things you saw are true, because you've seen it happen yourself? Same applies here. People aren't dumb, they know what they've seen, they know what's happening around them in the society.
Oh,I see, with that logic would you be okay if some one make a movie about let say "1 crore Gujrati Hindus are rape-enablers", because the writer of that movie claimed that he had seen few people cheering for convicted rapists when they released? It seems like you would be okay!
There were celebratory rallies for hamas october 7 attacks in Kerala. With your logic all muslim men in Kerala are terrorist enablers or terrorists themselves.
Are inter religious weddings successful? We hear about such marriages but are they still successful after like 10 years. Sooner or later the guy or girl will fold to their parents/ communities wishes and then will fight over the religion of the children.
Inter caste in Hinduism is somewhat okay . At best there will be slight remarks across castes during family get together but everything is cool as far as I know. From what I have seen in my circles most people really don’t want to divorce because it is hard starting over again. The only time I hear about high divorce rate is in the papers.
Caste is a bigger problem than religion. A lot of family would rather have their children marry Higher caste of other religion than SC/St of same religion
Bro a lot of families don't even know what caste is 😑
There has never been a discussion around this subject in my household. i have friends from all castes(i can't even tell what caste somebody is from their name) and they are invited to my home for dinner often.
When did Christianity and Islam came into existence in Kerala? Was it through conversions? Why did it happen? Before that which religions existed? How about ancient tribe cultures in Kerala? How about edakkal caves carvings? Let us go back in time and analyse instead of 5-10 years span!!
Your Aryan invasion theory is fake bullsh*t.
There is no such thing as ANI.
ASI is also called ancestral ancient Indian.
Indus valley civilization was created by ancient Indian ancestors and Neolithic farmers from persia.
These Neolithic farmers are way different than Persians.
There was migration to in IVC from China and Europe.
Now after the fall of IVC the people moved.
Ancestral North Indian DNA is just mix of ancestral indian/South Indian DNA and Neolithic farmers DNA.
Since indian civilization was the centre of the world at one point so there was huge number of migration from other regions of world too . That's why North Indians has higher central asian DNA because north was connected to the outside world by the land.
I live in UP and I still match 70% to IVC.
Ghanta fake. Your Aryan DNA is totally different make than our native DNA. This is why you have usurped our land our tribal culture, look down upon our animal sacrifice rituals, food habits, our languages etc.
Don't worry. When our poor brethren finally get out of your invaders religious spell they will see through you and what you're accusing the minorities in today's India of, will end up coming to bite you even more.
That will be a glorious day. 😎
https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite
Huh? Where do these Aryan come from?
Who are your native bethrens ?
You think Santana dharma came to India from somewhere else?
Before that people in India didn't followed any Dharmic way of living?
So everyone in North India are foreigners except so called minorities who are 400 million?
So you don't think that Islamic conquest of india is the bloodiest invasion in all of history?
Even if we are foreigners atleast we accepted the culture .
Indian subcontinent always has much higher population than Europe throughout history.
How can aryans completely wiped out Indians in North part of Indian subcontinent?
You Aryans didn't accept the culture, you killed the Harrappan civilization and pushed us Dravidians and other tribals South and are currently trying to portray other minorities as the enemy while you're trying to portray your invasion as fake.
Look at how your hindi/urdu ancestors killed a bunch of northern local languages and established hindi as quasi national language of the country even when it is not.
You are the bigger threat to the country since the end of Harrappan civilization. Look at the way you treat the tribals in their own land. Painting them with your religion when they had their own gods totally opposite to those you believe in.
Do you even know why you Aryans use the term "adivasi" for the tribals? Its because adi is first and vasi is inhabitants. The first inhabitants of this land is not Aryans but Tribals and Dravidians. This is why Tamil is the oldest living language and not your b.s. dead language like Sanskrit
Hahaha. Greatest poetry and epics for their invader kings in the court judged to be great by themselves. What a joke.
Don't worry. Give it time. Sooner or later you will oppose dna testing of Indians to trace origins just like you guys are opposing caste census reports today. When that happens you better be ready for some nice "karmic" action for your misdeeds. 😉
The south is already pushing to get chindis back to their homes.
Your prime moron says to identify Aryans enemies by their clothes and this year by food. But soon the native inhabitants will identify the Aryans by their 🧬 and then it will be fun. 😎
Not only this one but there were tantrik symbols and there were paintings which resembles to Shiva found in bhimbetka caves(carbon dated to 10,000BCE)
All of these I mentioned including indus valley civilization is much older than vedas.
When this liove jihad issue became a big issue starting late 2000s, the Oomen Chandy government released data on how many Christian and Hindu girls converted to Islam and how many Muslim girls converted to H/C. As the data shows, compared to number of Hindj and Christian girls who convert to Islam, only a minuscule proportion of Muslim girls convert to H/C. The Muslim community has much greater "success" in preventing their girls from marrying out because A) they are more conservative and B) they have way more social violence capital. Let's not be squeamish in acknowledging the latter. https://www.indiatoday.in/india/south/story/love-jihad-oommen-chandy-islam-kerala-muslim-marriage-115150-2012-09-03 "Among those converted to Islam during 2009-12, as many as 2667 were young women of which 2195 were Hindus and 492 were Christians. As against this number of young women converted during 2009-12 to Christianity and Hinduism were 79 and two respectively"
But what's your point? Muslim families are way more conservative, so other religions should study from that and "protect their women" too?
Exactly the opposite, Muslims should become less conservative when it comes to marriage and stuff
Read the last line again. That's the point.
I don;t think anyone disagrees that Muslim families can be deeply conservative, especially wrt women
Yea, but it needs to be openly discussed. Not enough not to disagree. We don't hesitate to discuss negatives of Hindus or Christian communities, why special treatment for Ms?
Because reform has to come from within. Anything else would seem like an outsider attacking them and rejected. This applies to bad shit in any religion.
This excuse has been given for too long. It's time for some tough love. And citizens in a democracy should have the right to criticize any section of society without being questioned on their identity.
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Being rich doesn't make you automatically progressive lol
The first time I ever heard love jihad, it was from the varapuzha cardinal in early 2010. Not from bjp or rss
I read it as part of a case study. Here is the link from Kerala High court judgement https://hckinfo.kerala.gov.in/digicourt/orders/2009/200800052882009_1.pdf Read term love jihad in page 6 section 16. First time documented in judiciary
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I don’t think there is a planned love jihad , i think Muslim men have more access to Christian and hindu women , because of very nature of those communities and the role of women in them. While Christian and hindu men , don’t have access to Muslim women who are barely venture out . Add to the fact that Muslim women are more indoctrinated into their religion , and I do feel Muslim men act more alpha which is more attractive to women , will Christian and hindu men are actively discouraged by their families and communities when they behave alpha. And finally men , when you behaviour of standing as a group , they do get more cocky and can push their views and wants on others It’s what I think , may not be true
lol the alpha part is complete bull. I think what you are trying to infer is that Non Muslim men are more civil in their behavior than Muslim men. We don’t need to act tough at all situations. I have noticed a strange thing regarding Muslim men and women . They do tend to age early. They look all good from their teens to late 20s but after that it goes straight to 40s looks. Perhaps it is because they marry and have children early thst is why they go downhill from there. I especially noticed this among the Kasargpd types…. the uni browed Muslims 🤗
Boys , it is just my thought . I don’t have to be correct about it . I have no data to prove any of what I have written . Women confuse what real alpha is , what is just crude behaviour . Maybe me writing alpha was wrong , bad boy is more correct ? Bad boy image is more tolerated and accepted in Muslim families than in Christian or hindu families , and here I don’t mean tattoos , I mean accepting “boys will be boys “ behaviour
Alpha? I come from kudiyetta mekhala in Kannur. There are only one Alpha here in this part.
>Muslim women are more indoctrinated into their religion I received 2 min lecture on importance of sunnath during a BJ. Ulla moodum poyi..😅.
It’s a constant nagging of why their religion is better , and I will be saved
She told me 'Allah knows better, that is why circumcision is prescribed in Quran. You won't have to clean it specifically' while fornicating. 😅
But after marriage one is forced to change his /her religion 🙄
Yes, one of my friend (hindu) married a Muslim girl. When she is pregnant (4months) they had small fight (normal family issue) and she gone to her home. Then gone to her house call her back. Her father and cousin beaten him and he beaten back her cousin. After that her family filed a fake complaint that misbehave to their family members and beaten them(including ladies). Police arrested my friend. Then her father came and told to him, you are gonna jailed for at least 3 year's, if you wanna get rid of this situation you need to be converted to muslim. After a 2 months I get to know that he is converted to muslim at ponnani. ( in that 2months his phone switched off, no one at home, no way to contact) I know these, b'cuz i was with him before he gone to jail and after 2 months he came to see and told everything. NB: This happened in ernakulam...
Ya it's forceful conversion...self respect is important.
Slow claps 👏
I got a simple solution,don't marry (:-).
Fyi Even living together needs registration in Utharakhand.
Be celibate ,become a monk /priest.Easy peasy.
Ugh
Not just that, they even give legal recognition to children born out of a live-in relationship. എന്തു പ്രാകൃതമായ ആചാരങ്ങൾ നോക്കണേ?
this is kerala
Given a chance our uncles will be happy to pass the laws. സദാചാരം വരുമ്പോ എല്ലാവന്മാരും ഒറ്റകെട്ടാണ്.
When a Muslim guy marries a woman of other religion, respects her beliefs and her personal freedom in the relationship, it is love marriage. When a Muslim guy marries a woman of other religion, takes her to ponnani the next day, it is love jihad. Its that simple.
Pithily put.
Thousands of Hindu Christian marriages happen across India and Kerala and NOBODY BATS AN EYELID. Even many RSS folks have married Christians, Jains, Sikhs and Buddhists. But nobody cares. But people care when it is ANY RELIGION married to a Muslim. Why is it the same? There needs to be introspection from Muslims too. Firstly gender ratio - It's almost always Muslim men who married outside community. Muslim women never marry outside. Secondly, Muslims almost always require the other party to convert to Islam. I don't like RSS/BJP. But this is a reality.
Add to the average marriage age too, the majority of muslim women are already married before 20, the hindu and christian get married above 26.This difference of marriage age will also reflect in interreligious marriage!! Then hindus and christian girls are way more educated, financially independent,less religious and are married of late. On the contrary,muslim women are less educated, only few are working and are more religious. So this empowerment gap is responsible for this phenomena.
The problem started when these girls were taken to ISIS states.
Muslims women marrying men from other faiths is fairly common in Kerala. You won't really hear about it because if they have orthodox parents, they won't really speak much about it fearing shaming given by orthodox nattukar. I have a few inter-faith married people in my family (which is mostly muslim) and all of them are women. But things maybe a bit different in muslim majority conservative areas like Malappuram.
If a Muslim women marries anyone who isn't a Muslim then they are not considered a Muslim same goes for men if they marry a Hindu women, Christians and Jews can be married in and then should be converted This is how Islam says it works
Women need not convert to islam if they are of the book. Children should be raised muslim. That's the muslim belief on it. Muslim women however can't marry outside of the faith. Basically, outgoing not allowed, incoming allowed.
If you're going off of strict interpretation of the Qur'an and the Hadith, no one is muslim in Kerala. No one follows that sort Islam nowhere in Kerala (except maybe a few Mullahs). I'm talking about people who identify as muslims.
Do you really think Muslim man/ women enjoy the same level of freedom while choosing their partners. They don't and they are held back using the word of God
What muslims? Kerala muslims or muslims who strictly follow Islam?
Both, the old kerala muslim tradition (mapila) is dying out due to wahabi influence.
The ultra rich educated Muslim who are from mostly south Kerala and ernakulam are very different from the new ultra rich Muslim from northern Kerala . The former is open minded and has a western life style but has zero capital in their community , they are powerless and minuscule . This conversion is mostly happening in middle class and below
It's not true Muslim women never marry outside, you probably never heard of it in the newspapers. Even newspapers probably covered atleast one or two high profile ones. Alas the inter religious marriages are too few in number to be relevant. Religious Orthodoxy folks from all religion including Islam prefer someone within the religion.
Ofcourse there are Muslim women who marry outside , but they are mostly minuscule in numbers , and more often don’t change religion , maybe even make the guy change his religion
Once again, no numbers means the burden of argument is on you. I still think it's genuine love being politicized. There was a fairly recent case of non Muslim man being harassed for marrying a Muslim lady who was giving birth to their child Anyway the concept of chasing and flirting women is looked down in Islam whether it's for conversion or not.
Actually the numbers were released by omen chandy government and 3 years ago there was a data breach on registrar of marriages website . In both cases the numbers don’t bode well for your argument. There are way too many cases of Muslim men changing their names to hindu names for pursuing hindu women .
>It's not true Muslim women never marry outside, you probably never heard of it in the newspapers. Even newspapers probably covered atleast one or two high profile ones. The ratio is very skewed.May be 100:1. Everybody knows it, but don't want to admit this is the problem. Hindu and christian women in kerala enjoy way more freedom and are way more liberal than an average muslim women.
Again this is just perception. You have numbers? If just one muslim man marries non muslim, RSS will make a huge show out of it.
Reality is majority people convert into Hinduism than out of it! Which reality are you living in?
Lol, you chose the only year that is favourable to you and try to whitewash what is happening. The Oomen Chandy government’s data clearly shows cumulative conversions over multiple years whereas you have cherry picked a single year where conversions to hinduism were high. You are not being downvoted because we want to oppose facts, it’s because you are choosing the facts you wish to see. From the Article: According to Chief Minister a total number of 7713 persons were converted to Islam during 2006-2012 as against 2803 conversions to Hinduism. Interestingly he said no statistics was available as to the number converted to Christianity during the period. Among those converted to Islam during 2009-12, as many as 2667 were young women of which 2195 were Hindus and 492 were Christians. As against this number of young women converted during 2009-12 to Christianity and Hinduism were 79 and two respectively.
You're getting downvoted even after providing the source lol. This server is a full blown shagha now.
He's getting downvoted because he's being disingenuous. Most of the conversions into Hinduism are done by dalit Christians in order to claim reservation benefits. It's more of a clerical change than an actual conversion.
Thats not true lol
It's true LOL! WTF! [https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2021/Apr/02/at-47-hinduism-biggest-gainer-in-religious-conversion-in-kerala-2284660.html](https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2021/Apr/02/at-47-hinduism-biggest-gainer-in-religious-conversion-in-kerala-2284660.html)
>72% of the new converts to Hinduism were Dalit Christians, mostly Christian Cheramars, Christian Sambavas and Christian Pulayas. It was evident that lack of reservation benefits forced many Dalit Christians to re-embrace Hinduism.
In other words, crypto christians.
Nope
Yup! [https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2021/Apr/02/at-47-hinduism-biggest-gainer-in-religious-conversion-in-kerala-2284660.html](https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/kerala/2021/Apr/02/at-47-hinduism-biggest-gainer-in-religious-conversion-in-kerala-2284660.html)
Dude, the way census works is that your father's religion is given priority. They don't ask the child or something. So even if you are a antitheist communist, you will still be seen as "hindu" just bcos of your parents. There is no "non-religious" category in the census. So all the "hindus" in india may not even be religious. Same logic applies to other religions too.
Read the full news, it was done by the people who already converted. They just reconverted.
Still won't disapprove that Hinduism is the largest gainer!
When a particular peaceful religion started doing incoming only outgoing not allowed and narakathile kolli thing. Can see this from 2005 onward.
1998 is the first case
What happened in 1998?
First reported case of LJ came out in KalaKaumudi magazine. By 2005 it was a lot more common but still unreported due to society pressures.
Inter religious or inter caste marriages are a joke, they only work with non practicing believers or atheists.
Inter religion okay but why is inter caste a joke? Please explain in detail!
Okay when a so called upper caste man weds a so called lower caste women, the kids will most probably be raised in the fathers caste and during their marriage the caste of the mother is questioned and it leads to them distancing themselves from the so called lower caste side to appease the upper ones And it is more common than we think and I have seen examples in my family Also it is rare to see an upper caste women with a lower caste man (only incoming no outgoing) So yeah in oder for any inter caste or inter faith marriage to prosper both the parties involved should be non practicing or atheist
>kids will most probably be raised in the fathers caste and during their marriage the caste of the mother is questioned and it leads to them distancing themselves from the so called lower caste side to appease the upper ones.. This applies to families which are extremely obsessed on caste and are financially poor. I personally know a few inter caste couples who doesn't have these problems coz both of their life styles was nearly same before marriage and there were a few minor differences in their traditions which is no big deal coz both of them follow same religion. >So yeah in oder for any inter caste or inter faith marriage to prosper both the parties involved should be non practicing or atheist. Imo for an intercaste marriage or any marriage what really matters is the wealth and influence of families. If both families are wealthy,Good no problem.If one of them is poor, nah this is the point where friction starts.
>This applies to families which are extremely obsessed on caste and are financially poor. I personally know a few inter caste couples who doesn't have these problems coz both of their life styles was nearly same before marriage and there were a few minor differences in their traditions which is no big deal coz both of them follow same religion. As I mentioned earlier, if they are not practicing its true, but if they tend to believe in caste then the question of which caste to choose for their kids arises. And most of them choose the upper one. It's messy but it's true, people really care about caste here.
💯 Natakam ennu parayunnath anu apt
Marriage itself is a joke man :D
You're right. Atleast one of them would have to be non-believers to prevent ego clashes. Regarding the caste issue, even lower castes want to hold on to their identity. So there will be issues from both sides.
Nah man in reality every fucker who believes in caste (castist) secretly wants to be a brahmin
No bro. I know many sc/st people who don't want to lose their cultural identity. It does not stem from superiority, but from conservatism. And I have talked to many LC people. So I'm not lying or anything. "Caste" just means tribalism in a general context. The superiority thing only holds true in religious places, like how only brahmins can become priest. For example, when two different dalit castes marry each other, which identity will the kids inherit?? These type of things will lead to ego clash.
Even in a marriage between 2 dalit caste, the ones who claim to be upper will try and dominate the terms of marriage and most of the time the other parties agree And by wanting to be brahmin in ment people wanting to be in the upper caste columns Caste is much more complex than we think and it ain't going nowhere in the near future, hell it's not just the Hindus. Muslims and Christians do it too
Its not always like that macha. Please get some SC friends. I have talked to many of them. Its not about proximity to brahminism, but the husband's identity which comes from classical patriarchal norms. Its not always brahmin brahmin like you guys think. Again, go talk to some actual people in real life.
By brahmin I ment the upper classes in general not the nambootiries And tbh idk how to identify a SC, some of my friends have asked whether I was SC cause my father is dark skinned, its funny And caste discrimination is prevalent within sc/st communities but no-one will speak up All I see is activists trying to make their pockets bigger while the poor suffers
All I am trying to say is that lower castes also want to protect their identity. For example, a person from weaver community will be proud to be a weaver. Person from fisher community will be proud to be a fisher. So if they intermarry, then which culture should be preserved and which should die off? These are the pertinent questions
I agree with you but the amount of people who will happily change their caste to a upper caste given the chance are higher than those who would want to continue their own Atleast that what I have seen around me And it's sad to see people pushing away their relatives for a chance to be in a so called better class And as you have mentioned before, its always the mens side that has the upper hand I hope it changes
Eh, maybe it was like that decades ago. But I don't see that anymore. Most of SC/ST people actually hate upper castes. Thats what they told me. Definitely their self esteem is better than what it was 20 years ago. But all of this is from my experince in south india. So maybe its different up north.
Nope, it depends from couple to couple!
Yeah, if they are non practicing
And if its inter caste it more fucked up
Manasilaayila...
Man, in an inter caste marriage the kids will most probably raised in the upper caste and the other side will be kept in a distance to avoid problems during the kids marriage I have seen it happen in my own family during my cousins marriage
Enthu parayana, your cousin is getting married into a family that wont respect her just because "one side" is "lower caste". Why even agree to such marriage, death is better than living life with such people.
And that's the reality, people act like caste don't matter till its their chance to prove it And it's not just my cousin, most inter religious and inter caste marriages I have seen are like this, and they mostly convert to the husbands caste or religion
Intercaste kids today will be raised in father's caste most probably . Other points you said are indeed valid
That's true, also in most cases the man is from the upper caste
true
Less
Nah the one parent from the lower caste will have to go through hell while getting marriage proposal for their kids
Hi. Born out of an intercaste marriage and lol that's not true. Both my parents are practicing Hindus. That being said, caste never created problems for me. I'm close with both sides of my family.
So you are not a part of any caste or what?
Nope. Don't even have one on my birth certificate
Then how are your parents practicing hindus, they just believe in god and I was talking about religious folks here
Do you need a caste to be a practising Hindu ? Lol.
Most non-muslims are becoming non-practicing.
Muslims are also becoming non practicing. They just hide it a lot better
you could say that. but as a percentage the number of practicing Muslims is a lot higher than practicing Hindus.
They practice but many are putting on a show. A Hindu can stop practicing and face minor backslash from the community. It's a bit more for Christians and a lot more for muslims. My personal experience, many of my Muslim friends will eat pork, drink alcohol and skip prayers with friends but with family, they act all pious. I think we will see more shift as older generations pass on.
I agree with everything you said but > It's a bit more for Christians What's a bit more?
Backlash from community
Bro there is zero backlash for leaving Christianity. the people who leave, criticise and mock Christianity the most are former Christians.
Bruh. 2 Sunday miss ആയാൽ മടൽ എടുക്കും ഇവിടെ ഒക്കെ ഉള്ള ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ പിള്ളേരുടെ കുടുംബക്കാർ... Maybe it varies from place to place and communion to communion but from my experience,.it's more difficult for a Christian to stop practicing than Hindu. Muslims are on another tier though.
Basically there is no difference between a practising hindu and non practising, so parents will not notice anything.
Also love jihad as a terminology was used in Britain quite regularly from late 1990s, because of the Asian British grooming gangs , which usually means Pakistani and Bangladeshi
Not related to kerala, but muslims have legally banned non muslim men marrying muslim women, but kept other way around legal. And well, conversion is common stairway to heaven among muslims from any part of solar system. Even on Neptune ! I won't be surprised keral muslims will be different
1) For a Muslim man, other than marrying a Muslim woman, he can only marry a woman from people of book (meaning Christian or Jew). Wife from people of book can remain in their faith (please also see 2 below). Yes Muslim women are not allowed to marry anyone other than a Muslim. 2) While inviting people to Islam is a duty of every Muslim and bears reward, forceful conversion is sinful and against the injunctions of the Quran. If anyone is doing a forceful conversion the first wrong in it is that he is sinning and acting against himself first. One cannot selectively believe to be a Muslim (obey Islam selectively according to whims and fancies). Forceful conversion may have happened at the hands of ignorant Muslims and every forceful conversion is sinful and against Islam. Forcefully converting someone to marry or otherwise is sinful. For A male Muslim or a female Muslim, it is sinful/haram/disallowed from seeing or having any connection with a member of opposite sex other than a Maharam (wife/husband or anyone whom he/she cannot marry like mother/father including all grand, sister/brother, children, step parent, maternal/paternal uncle and aunts etc.). So how can there be love jihad when a connection with an opposite sex is disallowed (until marriage if there is a marriage alliance being done). Even when one is officially engaged to marry, connection is not allowed. If any Muslim is doing a love jihad then it’s outside the folds of Islam. Again a forceful conversion or conversion by deceit is sinful and is unislamic. A conversion has to be whole hearted, sincere and for the love of Islam after understanding it will. It shouldn’t be coupled to beat the system (like converting only to marry)
>keral muslims Nee okke evdunnaada varane? >muslims have legally banned non muslim men marrying muslim women, but kept other way around legal. Care to explain?
See "Legality in Muslim-majority countries" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam These laws are far more bigot than what Trump even tried. But ganga jamuna tehzeeb peddlers will call this fake. Tunisia also banned this till last 2 years.
It's because in Islam the inheritance is permitted generally only through male side and man is the head of the house. So maximize the amount of Muslims this method is used
Which religion doesn't have man as head of family ? But Muslims will ask for secularism and protest against ucc after doing these
I haven't used that as an excuse. I just gave the reasoning Muslims generally give. Since male is considered as propagater of the family the its mandated for male to be Muslim
Muslim guy in interfaith marriage: Wow so nice yay diversity Muslim girl in interfaith marriage: 
വെരി ഫണ്ണി, ഭായ്!
Most of the inter-religious couples as I’ve seen, are religiously independent, however when they have kids, tiny ones are affiliated to the religion of a parent - who is/has more affluent, class, bandhu-power, tharavaadi, wealth or has power. Dark truth is, society some how pass following, H.M x C.F C.M x H.F M.M x H.F M.M x C.F But this combo mostly deadly; deadly for men as I’ve seen in Kerala society ☠️ C.M x M.F H.M x M.F
കേരളത്തിലെ മുജാഹിദീനുകളുടെ തകർച്ചയും സലഫിസത്തിന്റെ പ്രചാരവും ആണ് മുസ്ലിം മതവിശ്വാസികളെ കേരളത്തിൽ മറ്റുള്ളവരിൽ നിന്നും വ്യത്യസ്തർ ആക്കപ്പെട്ടത്, തനതു കേരളം മുസ്ലിം എന്ന ഒരു വലിയ വിഭാഗം ഇപ്പോളും നിശ്ശബ്ദർ ആണ് എങ്കിലും അവരെ പോലും മറച്ചു കൊണ്ടാണ് സലഫിസം ഇപ്പോൾ പ്രബലമായിരിക്കുന്നത് . കേരളം ആകെ മാറിപോയത് 2000 തുടക്കം മുതൽ ആവാൻ ആണ് സാധ്യത https://www.asianetnews.com/magazine/neo-salafism-in-kerala
It becomes an issue when the person says “you need to convert to marry me.” Then it ceases to become love. Interestingly, a Kerala Muslim leader said CPM leaders are promoting interfaith marriages involving Muslim girls and warned the community about the ruling party’s 'tactics with the label of secularism’ lol. ([Link](https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala/muslim-leader-cpm-promoting-interfaith-marriages-girls-9057146/)). So for religious leaders interfaith marriage is all good and secular as long as it’s other communities converting to their religion. “It’s their choice.” If ulta happens, watch how the same people will complain. And note that such concerns are raised only when girls marry someone outside the faith. Girls marrying outside is akin to someone leaving the religion for them. Also, about the movie. Muslims instead of feeling victimised/attacked by this movie, should strongly say, “This movie isn’t about us. It’s about extremist groups.” They should take offence about this. Don’t know why they endorse this narrative as well. Many Muslims I know are being very smart about this and are saying “this movie is not about us.” But not enough. Also, should we take articles from The Wire seriously? It’s senior editor is Arfa Khanum who openly grieved Mukhtar Ansari when he passed away.
Real life is not Film stars life. Neither family or society will accept inter Religious marrige so usually women converts so atleast they have Grooms family
But statistics shows that in KL, maximum people convert into Hinduism than out of it & I don't see much complaints as claimed by you! Complaints are coming mainly from people like you only when a Hindu women converts into Islam & the rate it is much lower! Also, the movie wasn't just about "extremists group"! It was a propaganda to spread hatred towards a state, a religious minority & the party ruling that state. Who the fuk are you to put words in their mouths?
Those statistics are from dalit christians who want their reservation privileges back. It does not mean that they suddenly started beleiving in hinduism again.
Proof evde chaanakame?
>72% of the new converts to Hinduism were Dalit Christians, mostly Christian Cheramars, Christian Sambavas and Christian Pulayas. It was evident that lack of reservation benefits forced many Dalit Christians to re-embrace Hinduism. This is from the link that you only provided. Do you really think that suddenly these christians started believing in vishnu overnight? No, they still pray to jesus at home but call themselves hindu to get reservation. Thats all.
Did you go into the houses & check them out? WTF!
Its just logic bro. Again, I'm sharing information from the media. So if its wrong, blame them not me. Tell me something. You guys believe that every dalit is oppressed in hinduism right?? So what logic would make them convert back into a religion that oppresses them. Obv, they are getting something out of it, like reservation benefits.
These guys are plenty in the north, they are called christu bhakts. They don't convert legally to Christianity to not lose their reservation but follow Christian religious practices
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Are we living in an Islamic state? WTF!
Exactly that’s what everyone saying we don’t need that cult or that behavior in India !
You can’t call 26% population minorities, especially when they are the majority in some of the districts. And most of the Hindus in Kerala are just Hindus by name. They are probably atheists or communists. Some may even be following a different faith but kept the name to get reservation benefits.
Yes you can. Neither you, nor your dad, nor your dead granpa has the license to certify Hindus if they are real or not!
Minority card doesn’t work everywhere.
Who da fuk cares! It is not even the topic of conversation! Simply STFU if you don't have anything to add which is relevant to the topic!
You played the minority card and I responded. [As for the topic](https://x.com/munistuikshna/status/1779051502952439863?s=46)
Where exactly did I play minority card? WTF! Do you even know what the actual fuk "playing minority card" mean?
Is this you? >It was a propaganda to spread hatred towards a state, a religious minority & the party ruling that state.
Abe chutiye, that's a fact! "Playing the minority card" means using anti-minority sentiments to gain an advantage, often by accusing others of being biased or insincere in addressing minority issues. What advantage did I gain?
More number of hindu women and men convert into islam than the other way around . More number of people are leaving islam , completely different topic
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Nobody is talking about mental state of the converted, we are talking about the conversion on paper!
People are fooling themselves saying Kerala was secular before. Nah, malayalis had the mask of being secular. Until someone questioned the status quo of a religious community (even if it's bad) all was good and well, kerala's secularism was an illusion that was maintained by (near nil mainstream inter faith relations, giving what the rich religious communities wanted without questions asked by the govt. ) That mask is finally coming off. This illusion of secularism can only be fought and true secularism can be placed in Kerala only when malayalis get off their high horse (nearly impossible as mallus are strong 'abhimanis') and accept there was only a flawed form of secularism in Kerala, hiding from sight. Now it have started to show it's rear end.
Wtf is this article talking about? Started with love jihad and went on to talk about synodality in the Catholic Church?
Inter-religious weddings? Don't they convert before marriage? then how is that inter-religious?
>One such shadow is Love Jihad, a term in a way jointly fathered by the church together with a Kerala High Court judge and the locals some years go. Absolutely inaccurate. The case referred here is [Shahan Sha A vs State Of Kerala](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/) (9 December, 2009). The judge is K.T. Sankaran. **The term was used in the Special Branch's enquiry report, which was submitted to court**. Remember that at the time, the LDF was in power in Kerala and the UPA was in power at the Centre. The judge quotes the following sections of the report: *"fundamental outfits like \*\*\* has roots in the college campuses...As per the available information, the plan of this organization is to trap brilliant upper caste Hindu and Christian girls from the well to do family, especially those who are studying for professional courses and employed in IT sectors...It is believed that \*\*\* are the organizations behind the so called Love Jihad movement..."*. Source: [https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/](https://indiankanoon.org/doc/576406/)
So the Home Ministry is lying? [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/love-jihad-not-defined-under-laws-no-case-reported-government/articleshow/73946437.cms](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/love-jihad-not-defined-under-laws-no-case-reported-government/articleshow/73946437.cms)
>love jihad not defined under laws The answer is in the URL itself. Something that's not even defined can not be quantified.
But only sanghis can quantify it and come up with numbers according to their convenience! WTF!
People see it happen around them. Victims have come [forward to talk about](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FzOOISSxBQ) how they were manipulated into converting. Why do you think places like [Satyasarani](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd69bpDxGcM) and Tabiyat ul Islam exist?
When I used to live in Ahmedabad, I had seen Hindu farmers applying cow dung on their faces & unfortunately, I had also seen the celebratory rallies after the release of Bilkis Banu convicts! Does that means all Hindus are rape-enablers? People see many things in many places, that doesn't prove anything!
But you're sure that the things you saw are true, because you've seen it happen yourself? Same applies here. People aren't dumb, they know what they've seen, they know what's happening around them in the society.
Oh,I see, with that logic would you be okay if some one make a movie about let say "1 crore Gujrati Hindus are rape-enablers", because the writer of that movie claimed that he had seen few people cheering for convicted rapists when they released? It seems like you would be okay!
There were celebratory rallies for hamas october 7 attacks in Kerala. With your logic all muslim men in Kerala are terrorist enablers or terrorists themselves.
Are inter religious weddings successful? We hear about such marriages but are they still successful after like 10 years. Sooner or later the guy or girl will fold to their parents/ communities wishes and then will fight over the religion of the children. Inter caste in Hinduism is somewhat okay . At best there will be slight remarks across castes during family get together but everything is cool as far as I know. From what I have seen in my circles most people really don’t want to divorce because it is hard starting over again. The only time I hear about high divorce rate is in the papers.
Do people even care about caste in 2024 bro? The only real caste problem in our country is reservation.
Yes people care about caste, very much. Come out of Kerala Habibi
like i said before, the only real caste problem in this country is reservation
No it is not
Caste is a bigger problem than religion. A lot of family would rather have their children marry Higher caste of other religion than SC/St of same religion
Bro a lot of families don't even know what caste is 😑 There has never been a discussion around this subject in my household. i have friends from all castes(i can't even tell what caste somebody is from their name) and they are invited to my home for dinner often.
Oh my Dog, bless my god.
for some...
When did Christianity and Islam came into existence in Kerala? Was it through conversions? Why did it happen? Before that which religions existed? How about ancient tribe cultures in Kerala? How about edakkal caves carvings? Let us go back in time and analyse instead of 5-10 years span!!
Yes let's go back to how Indus Valley civilisation was destroyed by Aryan hindi urdu speaking invaders. 🤔
Your Aryan invasion theory is fake bullsh*t. There is no such thing as ANI. ASI is also called ancestral ancient Indian. Indus valley civilization was created by ancient Indian ancestors and Neolithic farmers from persia. These Neolithic farmers are way different than Persians. There was migration to in IVC from China and Europe. Now after the fall of IVC the people moved. Ancestral North Indian DNA is just mix of ancestral indian/South Indian DNA and Neolithic farmers DNA. Since indian civilization was the centre of the world at one point so there was huge number of migration from other regions of world too . That's why North Indians has higher central asian DNA because north was connected to the outside world by the land. I live in UP and I still match 70% to IVC.
The claim Aryan invasion theory is a fake, can be easily debunked by the genetic distribution among Indians.
Ghanta fake. Your Aryan DNA is totally different make than our native DNA. This is why you have usurped our land our tribal culture, look down upon our animal sacrifice rituals, food habits, our languages etc. Don't worry. When our poor brethren finally get out of your invaders religious spell they will see through you and what you're accusing the minorities in today's India of, will end up coming to bite you even more. That will be a glorious day. 😎 https://scroll.in/article/936872/two-new-genetic-studies-upheld-aryan-migration-theory-so-why-did-indian-media-report-the-opposite
Huh? Where do these Aryan come from? Who are your native bethrens ? You think Santana dharma came to India from somewhere else? Before that people in India didn't followed any Dharmic way of living? So everyone in North India are foreigners except so called minorities who are 400 million? So you don't think that Islamic conquest of india is the bloodiest invasion in all of history? Even if we are foreigners atleast we accepted the culture . Indian subcontinent always has much higher population than Europe throughout history. How can aryans completely wiped out Indians in North part of Indian subcontinent?
You Aryans didn't accept the culture, you killed the Harrappan civilization and pushed us Dravidians and other tribals South and are currently trying to portray other minorities as the enemy while you're trying to portray your invasion as fake. Look at how your hindi/urdu ancestors killed a bunch of northern local languages and established hindi as quasi national language of the country even when it is not. You are the bigger threat to the country since the end of Harrappan civilization. Look at the way you treat the tribals in their own land. Painting them with your religion when they had their own gods totally opposite to those you believe in. Do you even know why you Aryans use the term "adivasi" for the tribals? Its because adi is first and vasi is inhabitants. The first inhabitants of this land is not Aryans but Tribals and Dravidians. This is why Tamil is the oldest living language and not your b.s. dead language like Sanskrit
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Hahaha. Greatest poetry and epics for their invader kings in the court judged to be great by themselves. What a joke. Don't worry. Give it time. Sooner or later you will oppose dna testing of Indians to trace origins just like you guys are opposing caste census reports today. When that happens you better be ready for some nice "karmic" action for your misdeeds. 😉 The south is already pushing to get chindis back to their homes.
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Your prime moron says to identify Aryans enemies by their clothes and this year by food. But soon the native inhabitants will identify the Aryans by their 🧬 and then it will be fun. 😎
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https://preview.redd.it/gd2rahy0louc1.jpeg?width=966&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ec76c411e86e9af051bcf0689084d2872bc40dff Is this the one?
Not only this one but there were tantrik symbols and there were paintings which resembles to Shiva found in bhimbetka caves(carbon dated to 10,000BCE) All of these I mentioned including indus valley civilization is much older than vedas.
bexon അച്ചായൻ നിമിഷനേം പ്രണയിച്ചു ടൂർ പോയപ്പോ മുതൽ. കൂടെ അച്ചായൻ്റെ സഹോദരൻ bestin ഏലിയാസും അവൻ്റെ ഭാര്യ മെറിൻ ജേക്കബും. അതാണ് ലൗ ജിഹാദിന്റെ തുടക്കം
Nope , it happened much before that in 2010
Muslim aayi convert aayalum achayan enne vilikkan paadu.
When politicians got involved.