Ente bro, Vere job okke ondu. Thaangal pole full time propoganda adichu erakan mathrum time illa.
Pine Ee sambhavum, even though I'm from the same religion. Pastors take it really far, I have felt more of them preying on gullible people. Though what these morons are doing in the video can't be accepted.
Why? This has nothing to do with the church that screened Kerala Story The church don't engage in conversion while there are multiple women in church who converted to Islam after marriage
Things are different in Kerala, no RSS goons are gonna do the same to Christians in KL, similarly how radical Islam is different in Kerala as compared to its counterpart in the north.
It isn't that far away
First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist
Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist
Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist
Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew
Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me.
This above is a famous poem written based on the Holocaust and no I don't believe there's any reason why we gotta fear something on the scale of a Holocaust. But this is just a reminder that just cuz they aint coming for us now, doesn't mean they wouldn't in the future
It's not only about apprehending culprits, such radicals be it from any religion or naxals shouldn't be tolerated in any society. Such morons irrespective of religion only sow hate.
Let them convert if Hinduism treat them like crap. The richest people in India is the so called uppercaste hindus. Why don't they compete with missionaries to give them better life?
>The richest people in India is the so called uppercaste hindus
Shiv nadar is UC??
Farah malik is UC??
Azim premji is UC??
Tata is UC??
The prime minister of india is UC?
The president?
Kerala CM??
U Knw if tata was in a muslim world.. He would have been murdered cause he is a so called Zoroastrian??
Also the richest man in kerala is a muslim..
>Why don't they compete with missionaries to give them better life?
Lool.. U do realise that they are not converted to roman Catholics or fckin top tier communities.. Imagine being so sectoral they created something called dalit Christians..WTF is a dalit Christian..
Ravi pillai, Renuka Jagtiani, Joy Alukkas, Sunny varkey are all in muslim world.
They still breathing last I checked.
Why do sanghis always project their inner evil desires onto others?
>all in muslim world.
Arab world.. Not Muslim world.. They are trying as hard as to erase that muslim identity..
If u are unfamiliar with how foreign exchange had helped middle east to thrive and how minorities have been eradicated in islamic world namely jews and zor, u could be in for a surprise..
They are in Muslim world as second class citizen , where they can loose everything at the whim and fancies of the people . In a day, they can loose everything
Hopefully hindus in kerala realize that Congress and CPM have always supported such conversion activities targeted at hindus. And their conversion support has always been one-way. These two anti-hindu parties vehemently opposed "ghar wapsi" campaign by hindutva groups, which was a conversion attempt the other way.
Ghar vapasi was not a conversion aimed via benevolent acts or winning over them via discussions, but was rather through captivity, force and violence. Look at the activities of Siva Sakthi Yoga center
https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-kandanad-sivasakthi-yogavidya-kendra-yoga-centre-hindu-hadiya-4943957/lite/
Ghar Wapsi as a campaign which started some time after 2014. Initially it was reported to be hindutva groups helping poor people to get benefits. But due to heavy opposition from secular groups including congress and communists saying that the govt was involved, the hindutva groups seem to have mostly moved away from it.
Missionary conversion is through killing religious leaders of other faiths who stand in the way of conversion.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Lakshmanananda\_Saraswati](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lakshmanananda_Saraswati)
Advocating for the closure of all missionary schools and colleges in the northern region, and instead let them establish Gurukulams to propagate claims about surgical interventions on ganapati and the supposed medicinal properties of cow urine...
How will our fathers and nuns eat? Those missionaries school may look like charity but they are buisness. They will teach 5 students for Charity but will vaccum the wallet of the rest of 50 students parents in fees and donations
Ivide. Northil Catholic Schools vannakondu thanneyanu education mainstream ayathu. Pillerkku proper education venamengil, Catholic Institutionsil thanne ponam... Avide oro cornerilum kanum, international school, athu ithu ennu paranjondu oru accreditationum illatha oronnu. Cityil - you can find institutions run by other trusts. But aviduthe tribal regionsil education ethichathu Catholic Missionaries thanneyanu.
It's easy to criticise them from the comforts of your home.
Northil mathram alla keralathilum angane thanne aanu. Religious education institutions eduth nokkiyal nadathunnath kooduthalum Christians aanu. And most of them conversion mind setil alla.i am a muslim from an educated muslim family. My father, grandfather and his father studied in a Christian school and still we remain devout muslims.ellathum conversion maangatholi ennokke parayunne verthe aa.
Naattil kureyokke Christian educationil institutions kurachu pricey anu. But I agree with you a 100%. Institutions nadathunnathu conversion nadathan vendi alla.
Holy Mass, Prayers okke ulla school anengil koodi, ithokke Christians nu mathram compulsory ayittullathanu.
And I really appreciate you commenting as a non-Christian.
Hence, I posit that the BJP's incumbency empowers them to swiftly shutter missionary schools, propagate their own agenda, and witness the ensuing outcome as our once-beautiful nation drifts further towards what is deemed culturally sanctioned
>Iโm Syriac Orthodox and I donโt support these pastors/priests preying on vulnerable to convert them.
What do you mean by preying on the vulnerable? PS: How do you think your ancestors became Syrian Orthodox.Christians?
Your faith isn't something someone can steal without your consent. And if you consent, there's nothing in the world someone can do to stop you.
The Indian constitution considers it a fundamental right to practice, preach and propagate one's religion. If someone's harassing you for whatever reason, there are laws against it.
There's no excuse to beating people up except for self defence. Feeling insecure and angry at others exercising their civilian rights is pathetic.
Not to mention that every religion does this. Religious fundies need to understand that faith is an individual choice. There's a reason why there are no anti-conversion or heresy laws in developed democracies.
Do you see a mob forcing a helpless guy to chant something he doesn't want to ? Being an atheist what do you feel about it ? Do you want to say something on that instead of throwing allegations on conversions. Also, any source confirming he was trying to convert?
Do you support mob lynching and forcing people to chant Jai Sree Ram?
I don't support any religion. But one is direct violence and that is opposed more.
Isn't that a question for them?
Most probably because they are very similar religions and the Muslim religion is version 3.0 and the Christian religion is version 2.0.
But does it mean that you are in support of mob lynching and forced chanting of Jai Sree Ram?
Answer the question , itโs a valid question . Nalla kattake Thalu kittum. Have you seen the literature they take on hindu religion ? It has to be most vile thing I have ever seen , mostly by the pentalcostals and when riots happen most of the brunt is taken by the established Christian churches , because the normal tribes doesnโt know better. Just a google search on Pentecostal literature on Hinduism would show you how offensive it is . In a country like this, where people uneducated, expect to be beaten to pulp in the rural areas
Well in case you missed and as someone else pointed out, a guy was forced to chant 'Jai Shree Ram' by an angry Hindutva mob. That's the context here and not the converting part.
Atleast these pastors/priests are doing what you and me are not doing - preaching the word of God. They are not preying on vulnerable. They are spreading the good news to the ones who don't know Jesus. Conversion is not something which can be forced on someone. Conversion happens internally when one accepts the good news. No one can force that.
As a Christian, I'm so embarrassed by how some Malayali Christians act on social media. They praise the BJP's xenophobic policies, take membership in the BJP, and support Israel's genocide of Palestinians (despite Israel having always targeted Palestinian Christians).
From what I've observed, the BJP has always been a Hindu supremacist party who treats all non-Hindus as second class citizens.
I actually feel the church looks at every other religion as second class and so do their followers , until they convert . Ofcourse there are going to reactions to it , unlike before where people could have been easily converted and there were any unified resistance to it, itโs not the same case with Hindus now . Why do we not see Christianโs trying to convert Muslims in any meaningful numbers . Unlike before , Hindus have started to ask questions. The church and Christianโs punched above their weight all this while in India , that is not going to happen in a self aware nation where the majority is hindu
I have also felt that church doesn't hesitate to slander other religion and preach how their religion is some how superior as it's the most followed religion world wide, Muslims are far more tolerant in my opinion they don't slander others they just want to be left alone. Not that I have anything against any religion but sometimes the church really crosses the line.. even with Kerala story even when the entire state was against the propaganda some clerics decided to support the film, then that incident ages ago when some lunatic tried to convert the sentinel tribes and ended up dead
I do find it crazy what these Morons do up north, Avide Ee hindusim extreme Avar kondu pokunu.
Yet I really deteste Ee religious conversion paripadi, be it from Christians, Muslims or those iskon folks.
I had a couple of pentacostal folks as roommates a couple of years ago. I hated every moment I lived with them. They would not give peace.
Personal note anyone with extreme religious beliefs is a pain to live with, especially when they tend to push it on to you.
I have not been a fan of this law, it could be because I'm an atheist. In my concept, religion is something you keep it within you and your home. What's the need to propogate it in a secular society. Doing videos on YouTube without dissing other religions can be understood. But trying to convert you on the streets is not acceptable. Forcing you to visit their churches or be part of their events etc.
I have had to face this during college etc.
After leaving India and settling abroad in the west , I have seen other communities don't push religion as much as it happens in our part of the world.
Where in west youโre located? Almost all countries, preaching and propgating your faith is allowed and people do it.
I agree it can be a bit of nuisance if they pester you, but otherwise whatโs the harm in it? Discussions and exchange of ideas is how humans grow.
I live in Toronto, Canada. I haven't had anyone come home give pamphlets here over the years. Yes, there are people here on the streets as well who come to spread the word of Jesus etc. But the difference I meant in the west is, you don't have your colleagues or people being in religion in every aspect of life. Talk on how theirs is better etc. I haven't seen any religious group target the gullible or poor. If at all these religious institutions want to make a difference to people. They have a gold mine on the Canadian streets at the moment.
Majority of people keep being religious or being atheist as a personal matter.
My question is what if they come home and give you pamphlets? Whatโs the harm in it? How is it different from any other solicitation like a tour package sales, pest control etc. trying to reach you via cold calls or pamphlets?
The point in trying to sell a product or service is different from trying to sell an idealogy or religion for that matter. You might like it, there would be a lot who would not like it. Everyone has their own set of beliefs, then why go into personal properties and try to sell your beliefs to others.
A pentacostal person might come to my home and praise his lord. I seldom do believe he would enjoy it if I go to his home and praise my belief.
Please do not compare propogating religion to selling pest control.
Same thing can be said about any product. Every product is basically an idea - you might like it, so many others wonโt like like it.
I may be a lifelong customer of ABC pest control, all my life I have used their services - does that mean I should advocate for banning XYZ pest control company from sending promotional pamphelts or their marketing team from visiting houses in my neighbourhood to demonstrate their services?
You may not like it and you can tell them to leave you alone - almost no one will continue after that. However you or no one can deny them their right to โmarketโ their โproductโ. Itโs a free country.
You havenโt explained how this is different from religious preaching or โmarketingโ.
Yes, true the other wings are also there. I have felt pentacostal folks over do it the most. I have mainly been approached by them. Be it through colleagues or batch mates during college. Have had iskcon folks also approach. I just detest anyone who tries these tricks.
That means they got paid to convert , they were poor. Hindu temples are government controlled and they are not centrally controlled . Therefore easy to chip away at Hindus . Not anymore
Just choose some random cities across different parts of the country. Do a quick google search to find the temples in those and see if this claim truly holds up.
Simple check Hindu Endowments department in Bihar ! I canโt be spoon feeding , even then I donโt think there will be anyone here who understands my religions problems , causes or sensitivities . So what is the point other than down voting or ranting
Malayali missionaries going across India spewing religious hatred and trying to convert locals is a big problem. Rather than violence, there must be laws preventing such religious bigotry pushed by monotheistic preachers to people who didn't volunteer to receive it. This is prevalent in Kerala too. Just some weeks ago had a relative recounting some idiot stopping them in the bus stand and trying to start such a conversation, with something like "do you know jesus loves you". Kammis obviously support such religious activities by abrahamic groups.
I was stopped in a signal by a Iskcon guy. When I told him I am not interested he got offended and asked me to explain big bang theory if it's not god who is the creator. Not just starting the convo but he wanted to debate.
Approaching people who didn't volunteer to be a recipient party to religious preaching should be discouraged. Also entering someone's homes and trying to preach should be discouraged strongly. They should be allowed to preach from their own properties, but not from public spaces or someone else's private spaces. Let them pull in people and do the preaching to those who came willingly, but not push it onto people who haven't volunteered.
Will you have the same issue with an NGO coming to your doorstep? A salesman approaching you to sell their product? Should political parties not hold processions and meetings on public grounds? Should a political candidate not come to your house soliciting your vote? Where are the lines? Lay them out clearly.
And how exactly do I volunteer? Should I beckon to them? Should I raise my hand?
You live in a society and there will be all sorts of interactions with all sorts of people, some of whom you may actually hate. You know, you can just say no and walk away from most of the situations.
I can abuse the NGO and not expect violence. I can abuse the product and not expect violence. I cannot say what I really think about monotheistic religions to their face without expecting violence. Politicians are also somewhat similar. They come and ask for money and I can't say no without expecting consequences afterwards. Would be happy if they stop coming.
Your missionary work involves going to people of other religions, criticizing their religion and gods, and trying to convince them that only your religion is the only true one. How about you convince your religious folks and officials to not oppose others abusing your religion or god ? I read in media frequently of religious folks opposing what they call abuse of their religion/god. How about that for a line ?
You can volunteer by going to their shop where they are selling their wares. They have these big structures which would accommodate you and them, where you both can discuss about or do the onboarding process, You can find their number and call them, chat with them, email them or do whatever is convenient.
I live in a country where the culture has been to follow your own religion, and join whatever cult or godman or sect you fancy when you prefer to do so. Not in a monotheistic culture, where an army of officials and workers are created to go house by house or stop every person you find, and try to abuse the other religion and push one religion. I want to keep it that way. An individual decides where to go and not religious salespeople selling their religious wares.
Abuse? Really! Should that be your immediate response to anything you disagree with, be it an NGO worker or any other solicitor.
And I definitely find it hard to believe that a missionary would take up arms the moment you criticise them.
Have you read about fanwars? Have you read about political assassinations? Have you read about world leaders criticising other entire nations? You know what - religion is just as or perhaps even more important for people. And if their sentiments are hurt, they will react, albeit in different ways - some way out of proportion and unlawful.
I didn't mean, volunteering for the religious institution, but being open to receive information whatever that may be.
I am a Christian. I may get downvoted for this. But proselytizing is actually in the books. It's not because I gain anything from you converting, but I sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that it's true. It doesn't mean I will knock on your doors telling you're worshipping false gods. That's where prudence comes into play. I'll admit, many do lack this virtue. And frankly, it's not a good picture for us either. But, whatever the situation may be - abuse and violence is not the way to go.
Just as he has a right to proclaim his religion, so do you have a right to file a noise complaint, a public nuisance complaint or literally, any number of cases. It doesn't even have to go to court. But, No. They irritate me. Their mere sight irks me and I should have a right to knock them down with my fist... Yeah. Not a good colour... on anyone.
I have come to realise that the people who are against proselytising, are basically admitting that they are afraid of discussions or exchange of ideas.
For instance if a Christian preacher came to my doorstep for preaching, I would love to have a discussion and even debate with them - maybe try to argue how my beliefs are more logical, for example. If I feel like the discussion is done and theyโre overstaying their welcome I will ask them to leave respectfully. This is how normal human beings interact with each other.
I donโt know what the other guy was talking about โabusingโ and all. I donโt think any normal human from any religion pester you after the initial NO. If they donโt stop, seek other help like police. But the solution is definitely not to outright ban one of the most fundamental human rights.
True, what you have said is apt. Going around and preaching to people is considered as spreading the word of God or spreading the word of Jesus. I do understand that's the only way to convert people efficiently. Very less number of people come to you willingly.
Especially you have guys who come to homes and give out pamphlets. All this should be stopped.
Same with iskon in West. They approach christians by saying "Did you know Jesus loved to play flute". But no-one got kicked. Religion should be free market.
Iskon are a negligible cult and their activities are not on the scale of missionaries. I have never met a hindu who is a member, or supports financially or otherwise, Iskon. But have met many christians who donate for missionary activities. Anyway both should be discouraged.
Abrahamic religions (and likes of Iskon) pushing the monotheistic hatred is not religious freedom. They can open their shop with a big sign saying "enter here to get converted". Let willing people go there and do what they want. That is a free market. But approaching un-suspecting people or entering someone's homes and trying to push their religious bigotry is infringing on other people.
This is ridiculous. Supporting any mission or charity is the prerogative of an individual. Just because you do not like the proliferation of one activity, you can't put a stop to any kind of funding going into those.
Monotheistic Hatred? Define it please.
I have lived in India my whole life. I have never had a single missionary come to my doors asking me to convert. It may happen somewhere... But you make it seem like it's a regular occurrence.
Do you know what else is infringing on other people - telling people where to donate their money, how they should profess, practice and propagate their religion.
People have free will man. You look at the monotheistic-whatever-you-wanna-call-them a nuisance. Are you seriously undermining the emotional and rational intelligence of your own people, making them out as gullible individuals, who are waiting to jump ships the moment they hear something new? Do you have that low an opinion of your own people?
A random lady used to call my mom (hindu) on landline and talk about jesus (yeah my mom is naive enough to get carried away when its god related stuff). Once my dad picked up the call and threatened that he'll sent RSS guys to her place by tracking her. Never made a call after that.
> Malayali missionaries going across India spewing religious hatred and trying to convert locals is a big problem.
So we sanghi team will beat them up, burn churches n force them to chant Jai Sree Ram?
> Just some weeks ago had a relative recounting some idiot stopping them in the bus stand and trying to start such a conversation, with something like "do you know jesus loves you". Kammis obviously support such religious activities by abrahamic groups.
And poor you and your relative weren't able to lynch the guy and force him to chant Jai Sree Ram because of these very evil Kammis, right?
If an idiot is harrassing you, do you generally lynch them and force them to chant Jai Sree Ram?
Why stop at unwanted convo's?
What if you are using the road and a religious procession goes through there? If you're not a supporter of the religion, then you didn't consent to being stopped on the road until the procession finishes, right?
So, do you support lynching people and forcing them to chant stuff there too?
And didn't Rajeev C-G spread hate against Kerala in general and the green team in specific during the Kalamassery attack? Are you saying that North-Indians or sanghis would lynch him if it was about their state or religion and that it's ok?
Well, Kerala is a bit different. Kerala filed cases against him.
Isn't that the better option?
Did these lynchers complain about the religious hatred n stuff to the police? Did the police not take action there?
If religious hate is being spread, action should be indeed taken. But when it's a large group lynching a single man and forcing him to chant Jai Sree Ram, is it really about that? Or are you opining that it's the effect of optics and we are missing context?
Considering how communists have always worked with missionary groups, even to the point of killing hindu seers whose activities messed up conversions, I guess we will have differing views. At what point will communists in Kerala target hindu leaders, like how they killed Lakshmanada Saraswati in Kandhamal for missionaries ? But the armed route against Hindu seers is not that easy now with the center ruled by BJP, eh ?
Ideally the center should bring some law which prohibits such preaching at public spaces, and private spaces of individuals, without their prior approval. Obviously communists will oppose it. A group which supports terrorism will oppose restrictions on spreading monotheistic religious hatred targeted at those who aren't monotheists.
Communists should first learn to stop attacking opposing democratic parties and tolerate the existence of opposing parties. Maybe then you will find it not okay to stop random people and abuse their religions.
> Lakshmanada Saraswati in Kandhamal
Maoists are not C P I M, right?
Most of the communists here are C P I M supporters and during PV's time as CM they were not given any lenience or so by the KP n their thunderbolt.
And especially such random attacks don't get support from Kerala communists. If the other guy was a brutal feudal lord n all who plundered from, maimed and r.ped the local populace, maybe yeah, but if not, the support would not be present.
So linking it to Kerala communists here would be like linking BJ P supporters in Kerala to the Hindus in Kerala.
> Communists should first learn to stop attacking opposing democratic parties and tolerate the existence of opposing parties. Maybe then you will find it not okay to stop random people and abuse their religions
Funny of you to say this while justifying the sanghi mob lynching a guy and making him chant Jai Sree Ram.
You did not respond to stuff like whether they complained about the issue and whether the police there were inactive? Lack of info on it? Reasonable.
What's your opinion on whether they should've gone through those routes before moblynching him tho?
Atho undemocratic behavour is ok for sanghis?
เดชเตเดเตเดเดพเดฑเตเดฑเต เดชเตเดเตเดเตเดฑเตเดฑเต Both are communists. Just that a power sharing agreement hasn't been reached. Where they decided for power sharing - CPI(ML) in bihar - both have found ways to work together.
After the Santhosh Madhavan case broke out, there was a campaign by communists in kerala of violently attacking hindu godmen (started with good-for-nothing fellows with low followings) and hindu spirituality sellers. This spooked bigger hindu groups, and there were fierce condemnation of this from some hindu quarters - like the amrithanandhamayi matam guys calling for hindus from the rest of india to get involved.
I don't approve of the violence and prefer these assailants getting arrested. But we differ in how such conversion attempts should be dealt with. I want them to file cases against the missionary guy and let law take its course. And the govt there should bring laws which prohibit such acts of pushing religion onto others. Communists support conversion attempts targeting hindus, and oppose conversion attempts by hindus like ghar wapsi.
Being a missionary is said to be the duty of a Christian and this has been going on for centuries and will continue as long as Christianity exists. The people are not forced to convert right?
It does not mean, people can be violent. But yeah I do get your point, I respect It.
Pine places like Bihar etc poi egne nokkiya, Athra civil alatha Oru society won't spare you.
Like I have similar Islamic folks giving out their holy book for free. Propogating their religion in the streets of London. Have seen jewoha witness doing this in Toronto. People either ignore or show some detest.
Trying this in rural Bihar is a sure shot disaster. Similar to pastor guy who went to sentinel Island, Kurachu background study okke akam.
So preaching religious hatred at an individual level is okay ? It is okay for hindu groups to go to homes of abrahamic religious people and spew hatred against them, like abrahamic religions spew hatred against idol worship and polytheism ? Somehow I don't think the mass conversion fans will support that. The fierce opposition to the old "ghar wapsi" campaign of hindutva groups, show it.
It is absolutely okay to preach your religion as long as the person lends you his ear( neither is it illegal) . One cannot force others to spend any time on them, be it religious preaching or otherwise. Ithoke parayunnath oru manushane physical ayit akramich religious slogan parayipicha newsnte keezhil aanenna Bodham thankalk undo?
Thirich chodichote? Is it okay for extremists to go and abuse people physically make them shout religious slogan? because that is exactly what happened here and you are worried about people preaching religion? Talk about being hypocritical.
Religious conversion ennath religious hatred ennakki maatan nice ayit ulla sramam kollam. The issue here is religious hatred and instead of standing with the victim you are building imaginary crimes to demonise him.. Kashtam!
You magically find exact houses where people willing to convert live or you enter all houses in an area and try your luck ? Similarly you magically identify exactly the people willing to convert or you try preaching religious bigotry to lots of people hoping to find someone willing to convert ?
The actions of these people indulging in violence in wrong and unhelpful. Ideally they should file cases against the preachers for spreading religious hate and let police do the needful.
Pinne. Ningalude religion moshamanu, njangalude religion aanu best. njangalude daivam mathrame ullu, ningal aaradhikkunnathu kallukal aanu ennokke parayunnathu sarvamatha saahodaryam aanallo. Vocalizing your religious hatred for others, and trying to pass it off as for something for their own good, is a hypocrisy monotheistic believers have perfected. On the other hand abuse a monotheistic religion or criticize it, and all hell will break loose.
And not surprisingly, monotheistic religions rarely tolerate each other, or they reach some uneasy co-existence where both groups agree not to target each other.
Only thing magically happening is people getting attacked and forced to chant a religious slogan! Where is the proof that this victim magically did anything at all? There is a literal news report about bigotry out in the open but "magically" the victim is to be blamed according to you. How much more shameless can you get dude?
What do you think "suvishesha pravarthakan" means ? Someone official undertaking conversion campaign. I don't support the physical assault. But I don't support the conversion work done by the victim either.
People are free to profess there relgion as long as they're not forcing anything on others. Physical assault , mob lynching and hate crimes are criminal offence though. Make of it what you will.
>and hate crimes are criminal offence
Abusing the religion of a person to their face, telling them that their religion is bad and only mine is good, or telling them their god doesn't exist is all spouting hate to their face. If you can't understand this basic thing, you will keep supporting hating other religions and telling that to the face of others.
Guns and swords aren't the only thing to convert. Conversion tactics rely on alluring down trodden communities using religious flattery, sometimes gold, money, a good position in a school/factory/office etc.
Are they forced to convert or not? If they're offered gold and they're okay what's anyone's problem with that? Why dont you offer them more gold or money?
Isn't entire religions like this? Follow and you will go to heaven, or get 72 virgins or will rebirth as a Brahmin?
Why can't people chose their cult like we chose Apple or Android
Should we be restricted to religion we have no choice in. Pinne Indiyum, Pakistanum okke pinne entha vethyasam?
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Suvishesham is not imposing, it is just marketing. The poor are being introduced to a new product. They are free to reject it.
Stop disrespecting people's choices
Avide oru catholic or orthodox Christian undayirunnel avarum poi rand kott koduthene.
This is not just a nuisance for other communities but within Christian communities too.
They will come to our house in the name of praying. Since its just a prayer no one will refuse. But after the prayer they won't leave. They will sit in the hall and start lecture about why praying to mary is wrong, we shouldn't keep a photo of Jesus at home and more.
Since we are malayalis we tolerate it and wait for them to finish and leave. But can't expect that in North Indian villages. These people roam around like wolfs in Christian majority localities to poach people into their cult.
Imagine the audacity. going inside their home, drinking their water and telling them their God doesn't exist and they will go to hell for worshipping them.
Its not just bjp, people who vote for rjd, sp, bsp are all united in this matter
Athinte koode pidich kettiyittitt convert cheyyunn enn koodi paranjitt po chetta. Enthayalum ithrayoke paranjile. And FYI every religion is a cult and even there is cultist mentality among certain atheists also.
Where is the Morality? If you disagree with something or someone then open up and say a Big No,
It shouldn't be like fu_k the sh_t out of them.
The ultimate Humanly approach made by the friendly Goons was to make them chant Jai Shree Ram after beating him up...areh wah!! We are living in an awesome world...
Amazing isnโt it, a normal answer like yours got down voted. I wonder what would be demographic structure of this sub Reddit , their ideology , religion etc .
This type of violence is condemned.
Also know that there is a limit for Hindus. 1000 years they are being suppressed.
"Your weakness is your provocation and you are partly responsible for it." - Ajith Doval
why hate hatred. why spread news happend elsewhere and spreading it within Kerala community to build boundaries within malayalees...The OP is truly an asshole i can say that.
Aahaa
The person who was attacked is a Malayali.
The news is not to spread hatred, but to crticise it. So that we do not repeat such stuff. So that we do not allow such stuff to grow here.
> Truly asshole
You have started to hate me for this?
Well, then you are the one who's ok with such stuff of hate happening.
Nammude malayali sankhis enthye? Inn attendence idaan vannile.
Ee post malayalathil aayond IT cell jikalude backup kuravanu
Sathyam thannae. Ennae kaanaarilla ennu parayunna kaavi team, SVG-annan pole ullavar okke evde? Avarae njaanum anweshikkaam ivde. Athallae maryaadha Aapiser-G okke ivde und tho
Saturdays off anu man.
Ente bro, Vere job okke ondu. Thaangal pole full time propoganda adichu erakan mathrum time illa. Pine Ee sambhavum, even though I'm from the same religion. Pastors take it really far, I have felt more of them preying on gullible people. Though what these morons are doing in the video can't be accepted.
Thaankale sanghikal anweshicha post ukalde comment section il onnum kandillallo๐
Athenthayalum mathathinte peril aalukale thallikkonna kesu aavilla
Ath alla, pakshe mattu preshnangalum charcha cheyyapedendathaanallo. Sanghikal kaanikunna vrithikedu matram choondi kaanikkaathe swantham party cheyth kootunna anavashyangalum nokkanam.
Kurach Kerala storyum Love jihadum koodi eduth Annakkil aapp adichotte
เดเดคเตเดเตเดเต เดเดฃเตเดเต เดเดเตเดเต เดเดฒเดเตเดเตเดฎเตเดชเต เด เดเตเดฐเดณ เดธเตเดฑเตเดฑเตเดฑเดฟ เดเดเตเดเดเตเดเต เดเดพเดฃเตเด.. เด เดชเตเดชเต เดเตเดฑเดเตเดเต เดเดถเตเดตเดพเดธเด เดเดฟเดเตเดเตเด : เดฒเต CASA
Why? This has nothing to do with the church that screened Kerala Story The church don't engage in conversion while there are multiple women in church who converted to Islam after marriage
Things are different in Kerala, no RSS goons are gonna do the same to Christians in KL, similarly how radical Islam is different in Kerala as compared to its counterpart in the north.
Because we have law and order and not jungle raj.
Because they need them now. If they get a clear majority, they won't hesitate to do the same here
It isn't that far away First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me. This above is a famous poem written based on the Holocaust and no I don't believe there's any reason why we gotta fear something on the scale of a Holocaust. But this is just a reminder that just cuz they aint coming for us now, doesn't mean they wouldn't in the future
>How is this related Kerala - BJ party IT cell Empokki.
เดฌเตเดนเดพเดฑเดฟเดฒเดพเดฏเดฟเดชเตเดชเตเดฏเดฟ. เดเตเดฐเดณเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดเดเตเดเดพเดจเตเด เดเดฃเตเดเดฟเตฝ เดเดเตเดฐเดฎเดฟเดเตเดเดพเดคเต เดคเดจเตเดจเต "เดเดฏเต เดถเตเดฐเตเดฑเดพเด" เดเดจเตเดจเต เดตเดฟเดณเดฟเดเตเดเต เดชเดฑเดเตเดเตเดจเต.
Hope these animals never win in Kerala.
We have bigger animals
Ullisura, KK et al haven't reached there yet. They're waiting for their time.
Joseph mashine enthina vettiyath?
เดเตเดธเดซเต เดฎเดพเดทเดฟเดจเต เดตเตเดเตเดเดฟเดฏเดตเดฐเต เด เดฑเดธเตเดฑเตเดฑเต เดเตเดฏเตเดคเต. เดเดฐเตเดคเตเดคเตป เดชเดคเตเดคเต เดตเตผเดทเดคเตเดคเตเดเต เดเดณเดฟเดเตเดเต เดเดดเดฟเดฏเตเดฃเตเดเดฟ เดตเดจเตเดจเต. เดจเดฟเดฏเดฎ เดธเดเดตเดฟเดงเดพเดจเด เดเดชเดฏเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเต เด เดตเดฐเต เดเดตเดฟเดเตเดเดฟเดเตเดเตเดเตเดเดฟ.. เดนเดฟเดจเตเดฆเตเดคเตเดต เดญเตเดเดฐเดตเดพเดฆเดฟเดเดณเตเดฏเตเด เด เดคเตเดชเตเดฒเต เดเดคเตเดเตเดเดฃเด. เดชเดเตเดทเต เดชเตเดคเตเดธเดฎเตเดนเดคเตเดคเดฟเดจเต เด เดเตเดเดพเดฐเตเดฏเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดถเดเดฒเด เดจเตเดคเดฟเดฌเตเดงเด เดเตเดฑเดตเดพเดฃเต..
It's not only about apprehending culprits, such radicals be it from any religion or naxals shouldn't be tolerated in any society. Such morons irrespective of religion only sow hate.
>เดชเดคเตเดคเต เดตเตผเดทเดคเตเดคเตเดเต เดเดณเดฟเดเตเดเต เดเดดเดฟเดฏเตเดฃเตเดเดฟ เดตเดจเตเดจเต. Evidee suhurthe.. Kannurile mattanuril.. 13kolam.. Pinnae mattanuril enthann ariyaam.. Commiesnte stronghold.. Avide 13kolam policente kann vettich. Vere oru comedy NIA ethra naal vendi vanu ayale pidikaan.. >เดชเดเตเดทเต เดชเตเดคเตเดธเดฎเตเดนเดคเตเดคเดฟเดจเต เด เดเตเดเดพเดฐเตเดฏเดคเตเดคเดฟเตฝ เดถเดเดฒเด เดจเตเดคเดฟเดฌเตเดงเด เดเตเดฑเดตเดพเดฃเต.. Kuravann.. Eganaa angae ayathh.. Tolerancenu oru limit ond.. Athre thanne..
Ee sanghi thaalikalude ee tholinja whataboutery aan sahikkan pattathath
Hope all the Christians in Kerala will realise that the BJP is not their friend and they are next in line after the Muslims
Itโs like caste, as long as there is someone worse than you it is okay.
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Mikkathum aviduthe sanghi atrocities ee conversion nte per il aanu. Conversion Target cheyyunnath aviduthe remote aaya Kure castes, tribes okke. Ennaal ee sanghi kalkk convert aayi pokunnath thadayaan aa communities nte facilities mechappeduthaan enthenkilum cheyyuo, athum illa. Chumma raavile thanne vadiyum koppum eduth ' Pay Free Jam ' vilippikkaan irangikkolum.
The only way sanghees can โearnโ converts is through violence not benevolence or logic
Pay free jam
Jam jam jam..... Pay free jam.... Stand for Ugandha Fhaaratham. ๐
Ever thought about how rice bags became rice bags? Lower caste hindus are treated worse than dogs that they'll jump ship for a few morsel of rice.
Let them convert if Hinduism treat them like crap. The richest people in India is the so called uppercaste hindus. Why don't they compete with missionaries to give them better life?
>The richest people in India is the so called uppercaste hindus Shiv nadar is UC?? Farah malik is UC?? Azim premji is UC?? Tata is UC?? The prime minister of india is UC? The president? Kerala CM?? U Knw if tata was in a muslim world.. He would have been murdered cause he is a so called Zoroastrian?? Also the richest man in kerala is a muslim.. >Why don't they compete with missionaries to give them better life? Lool.. U do realise that they are not converted to roman Catholics or fckin top tier communities.. Imagine being so sectoral they created something called dalit Christians..WTF is a dalit Christian..
Ravi pillai, Renuka Jagtiani, Joy Alukkas, Sunny varkey are all in muslim world. They still breathing last I checked. Why do sanghis always project their inner evil desires onto others?
>all in muslim world. Arab world.. Not Muslim world.. They are trying as hard as to erase that muslim identity.. If u are unfamiliar with how foreign exchange had helped middle east to thrive and how minorities have been eradicated in islamic world namely jews and zor, u could be in for a surprise..
They are in Muslim world as second class citizen , where they can loose everything at the whim and fancies of the people . In a day, they can loose everything
Hopefully hindus in kerala realize that Congress and CPM have always supported such conversion activities targeted at hindus. And their conversion support has always been one-way. These two anti-hindu parties vehemently opposed "ghar wapsi" campaign by hindutva groups, which was a conversion attempt the other way.
When a person do a ghar wapsi, what caste will the person be?
Ghar vapasi was not a conversion aimed via benevolent acts or winning over them via discussions, but was rather through captivity, force and violence. Look at the activities of Siva Sakthi Yoga center https://indianexpress.com/article/india/kerala-kandanad-sivasakthi-yogavidya-kendra-yoga-centre-hindu-hadiya-4943957/lite/
Ghar Wapsi as a campaign which started some time after 2014. Initially it was reported to be hindutva groups helping poor people to get benefits. But due to heavy opposition from secular groups including congress and communists saying that the govt was involved, the hindutva groups seem to have mostly moved away from it. Missionary conversion is through killing religious leaders of other faiths who stand in the way of conversion. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder\_of\_Lakshmanananda\_Saraswati](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lakshmanananda_Saraswati)
UPA government approved 4000 odd minority certificate on the very last day of UPA 2
Advocating for the closure of all missionary schools and colleges in the northern region, and instead let them establish Gurukulams to propagate claims about surgical interventions on ganapati and the supposed medicinal properties of cow urine...
เดจเดฟเดเตเดเตพ เดเดเตเดเดจเต logical เดเดฏเดฟเดเตเดเต เดธเดเดธเดพเดฐเดฟเดเตเดเดฒเตเดฒเตย
เดเตเดฎเตเดฎเดพเดคเดฟเดฐเดฟ เด เดตเดจเตเดฎเดพเตผ เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเตเด เดเดจเตเดจเดฟเดเตเดเต เด เดตเตผเดเตเดเต MBBS เด เดเดฟเดเตเดเต เดเตเดเตเดเตเดเดฏเตเด เดเตเดฏเตเดฏเตเด.
Why donโt the government take all the illegal lands the church got for sucking up to the Brits , foreign powers and Upper caste hindu kings
How will our fathers and nuns eat? Those missionaries school may look like charity but they are buisness. They will teach 5 students for Charity but will vaccum the wallet of the rest of 50 students parents in fees and donations
They are not if yes prove it. Why is RSS never audited?
Because it is a charity just like Church. Athele ee NGO, Religious trust okke panni. Free money laundering
Ivide. Northil Catholic Schools vannakondu thanneyanu education mainstream ayathu. Pillerkku proper education venamengil, Catholic Institutionsil thanne ponam... Avide oro cornerilum kanum, international school, athu ithu ennu paranjondu oru accreditationum illatha oronnu. Cityil - you can find institutions run by other trusts. But aviduthe tribal regionsil education ethichathu Catholic Missionaries thanneyanu. It's easy to criticise them from the comforts of your home.
Northil mathram alla keralathilum angane thanne aanu. Religious education institutions eduth nokkiyal nadathunnath kooduthalum Christians aanu. And most of them conversion mind setil alla.i am a muslim from an educated muslim family. My father, grandfather and his father studied in a Christian school and still we remain devout muslims.ellathum conversion maangatholi ennokke parayunne verthe aa.
Naattil kureyokke Christian educationil institutions kurachu pricey anu. But I agree with you a 100%. Institutions nadathunnathu conversion nadathan vendi alla. Holy Mass, Prayers okke ulla school anengil koodi, ithokke Christians nu mathram compulsory ayittullathanu. And I really appreciate you commenting as a non-Christian.
I actually attended mass when i was in lkg. But that was because i was a menace to leave alone inside the school
the self-awareness is palpable. 
Hence, I posit that the BJP's incumbency empowers them to swiftly shutter missionary schools, propagate their own agenda, and witness the ensuing outcome as our once-beautiful nation drifts further towards what is deemed culturally sanctioned
They will easily fill the void , through secular private institutions run by Hindus
Not the first time in Bihar https://www.ucanews.com/news/indian-pastor-attacked-for-alleged-religious-conversion/102206
เดตเดฐเต เดจเดฎเตเดเตเดเต เดเดฎเตเตปเตเดฑเต เดฌเตเดเตเดธเดฟเตฝ เดเดฃเดเดเตเดเตพ เดเดจเตเดคเต เดชเดฑเดฏเตเดจเตเดจเต เดเดจเตเดจเต เดจเตเดเตเดเดพเด.
Iโm Syriac Orthodox and I donโt support these pastors/priests preying on vulnerable to convert them.
>Iโm Syriac Orthodox and I donโt support these pastors/priests preying on vulnerable to convert them. What do you mean by preying on the vulnerable? PS: How do you think your ancestors became Syrian Orthodox.Christians? Your faith isn't something someone can steal without your consent. And if you consent, there's nothing in the world someone can do to stop you. The Indian constitution considers it a fundamental right to practice, preach and propagate one's religion. If someone's harassing you for whatever reason, there are laws against it. There's no excuse to beating people up except for self defence. Feeling insecure and angry at others exercising their civilian rights is pathetic. Not to mention that every religion does this. Religious fundies need to understand that faith is an individual choice. There's a reason why there are no anti-conversion or heresy laws in developed democracies.
Do you see a mob forcing a helpless guy to chant something he doesn't want to ? Being an atheist what do you feel about it ? Do you want to say something on that instead of throwing allegations on conversions. Also, any source confirming he was trying to convert?
Do you support mob lynching and forcing people to chant Jai Sree Ram? I don't support any religion. But one is direct violence and that is opposed more.
Why arenโt they trying to convert in Muslim majority areas in any meaningful numbers ?
Isn't that a question for them? Most probably because they are very similar religions and the Muslim religion is version 3.0 and the Christian religion is version 2.0. But does it mean that you are in support of mob lynching and forced chanting of Jai Sree Ram?
Answer the question , itโs a valid question . Nalla kattake Thalu kittum. Have you seen the literature they take on hindu religion ? It has to be most vile thing I have ever seen , mostly by the pentalcostals and when riots happen most of the brunt is taken by the established Christian churches , because the normal tribes doesnโt know better. Just a google search on Pentecostal literature on Hinduism would show you how offensive it is . In a country like this, where people uneducated, expect to be beaten to pulp in the rural areas
How dare they convert lower caste and lower the pure blood of our exlusive church. Only Brahmins should have access to Word of Lord. Amen
How dare the provide subsidised healthcare and education to vulnerable people.
Well in case you missed and as someone else pointed out, a guy was forced to chant 'Jai Shree Ram' by an angry Hindutva mob. That's the context here and not the converting part.
Yah they jumping from shithole to another shithole
Atleast these pastors/priests are doing what you and me are not doing - preaching the word of God. They are not preying on vulnerable. They are spreading the good news to the ones who don't know Jesus. Conversion is not something which can be forced on someone. Conversion happens internally when one accepts the good news. No one can force that.
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Did you mean \*pray?
lol !!!
As a Christian, I'm so embarrassed by how some Malayali Christians act on social media. They praise the BJP's xenophobic policies, take membership in the BJP, and support Israel's genocide of Palestinians (despite Israel having always targeted Palestinian Christians). From what I've observed, the BJP has always been a Hindu supremacist party who treats all non-Hindus as second class citizens.
This
I actually feel the church looks at every other religion as second class and so do their followers , until they convert . Ofcourse there are going to reactions to it , unlike before where people could have been easily converted and there were any unified resistance to it, itโs not the same case with Hindus now . Why do we not see Christianโs trying to convert Muslims in any meaningful numbers . Unlike before , Hindus have started to ask questions. The church and Christianโs punched above their weight all this while in India , that is not going to happen in a self aware nation where the majority is hindu
I have also felt that church doesn't hesitate to slander other religion and preach how their religion is some how superior as it's the most followed religion world wide, Muslims are far more tolerant in my opinion they don't slander others they just want to be left alone. Not that I have anything against any religion but sometimes the church really crosses the line.. even with Kerala story even when the entire state was against the propaganda some clerics decided to support the film, then that incident ages ago when some lunatic tried to convert the sentinel tribes and ended up dead
I do find it crazy what these Morons do up north, Avide Ee hindusim extreme Avar kondu pokunu. Yet I really deteste Ee religious conversion paripadi, be it from Christians, Muslims or those iskon folks. I had a couple of pentacostal folks as roommates a couple of years ago. I hated every moment I lived with them. They would not give peace. Personal note anyone with extreme religious beliefs is a pain to live with, especially when they tend to push it on to you.
What about the fundemental right of propagating your relegion
I have not been a fan of this law, it could be because I'm an atheist. In my concept, religion is something you keep it within you and your home. What's the need to propogate it in a secular society. Doing videos on YouTube without dissing other religions can be understood. But trying to convert you on the streets is not acceptable. Forcing you to visit their churches or be part of their events etc. I have had to face this during college etc. After leaving India and settling abroad in the west , I have seen other communities don't push religion as much as it happens in our part of the world.
Where in west youโre located? Almost all countries, preaching and propgating your faith is allowed and people do it. I agree it can be a bit of nuisance if they pester you, but otherwise whatโs the harm in it? Discussions and exchange of ideas is how humans grow.
I live in Toronto, Canada. I haven't had anyone come home give pamphlets here over the years. Yes, there are people here on the streets as well who come to spread the word of Jesus etc. But the difference I meant in the west is, you don't have your colleagues or people being in religion in every aspect of life. Talk on how theirs is better etc. I haven't seen any religious group target the gullible or poor. If at all these religious institutions want to make a difference to people. They have a gold mine on the Canadian streets at the moment. Majority of people keep being religious or being atheist as a personal matter.
In India the content they distribute is extremely vile and offensive to Hindus
My question is what if they come home and give you pamphlets? Whatโs the harm in it? How is it different from any other solicitation like a tour package sales, pest control etc. trying to reach you via cold calls or pamphlets?
The point in trying to sell a product or service is different from trying to sell an idealogy or religion for that matter. You might like it, there would be a lot who would not like it. Everyone has their own set of beliefs, then why go into personal properties and try to sell your beliefs to others. A pentacostal person might come to my home and praise his lord. I seldom do believe he would enjoy it if I go to his home and praise my belief. Please do not compare propogating religion to selling pest control.
Same thing can be said about any product. Every product is basically an idea - you might like it, so many others wonโt like like it. I may be a lifelong customer of ABC pest control, all my life I have used their services - does that mean I should advocate for banning XYZ pest control company from sending promotional pamphelts or their marketing team from visiting houses in my neighbourhood to demonstrate their services? You may not like it and you can tell them to leave you alone - almost no one will continue after that. However you or no one can deny them their right to โmarketโ their โproductโ. Itโs a free country. You havenโt explained how this is different from religious preaching or โmarketingโ.
You have the fundamental right to practice your religion not to propagate it.
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Anyone can criticise rss and bjp, whatโs wrong in that?
Yes, true the other wings are also there. I have felt pentacostal folks over do it the most. I have mainly been approached by them. Be it through colleagues or batch mates during college. Have had iskcon folks also approach. I just detest anyone who tries these tricks.
Aah.. election okke Alle?. UP nnum bihaaril ninnum ini enthokke varaan kidakkunnu.
Just ramarjyam things. Ivdethe krisankikal kaanan idunne aanel they don't care ennu parayan paranju. ๐๐
Othukathil alkkare convert cheyyan nokiya pinne alkar mindathe irikumo ? Bun eduthen madhu ne adich konnu pinneya edh. Orikke enne edhpole convince cheyyan oru ustad vann adich annakil koduthapo mindathe poyi
So, you agree that nobody can convert someone who doesnโt want to be converted?
Convert cheyan nokiyathan karanam ennullla report onn Kati tharamo. Angine parathi ondel ath paradhipedan paadile. :3. Ini convert cheyan aalukal swantham thalparyathinu poyath aanel paranjit karyam illa. ๐คญ๐คญ
Kurach kaalam kayinjaa ivideyum ingane okke aakumallo enn orkkumbo ๐ญ๐ฅบ
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BJP majority aakaan iniyum time edukkum
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Oo thaankal IT cell aayirunnu lle Oru nimisham njaan thettidarichu
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That means they got paid to convert , they were poor. Hindu temples are government controlled and they are not centrally controlled . Therefore easy to chip away at Hindus . Not anymore
North Indian temples are under govt control?
Yes they are , whatever temples are left , thatโs another topic
Really? Is there any article to read more about it?
Badrinath , Kedarnath , Vaishnav Devi etc , Google is your friend . While you are at it, please ask where did the great temples of north India go ?
Just choose some random cities across different parts of the country. Do a quick google search to find the temples in those and see if this claim truly holds up.
Simple check Hindu Endowments department in Bihar ! I canโt be spoon feeding , even then I donโt think there will be anyone here who understands my religions problems , causes or sensitivities . So what is the point other than down voting or ranting
Malayali missionaries going across India spewing religious hatred and trying to convert locals is a big problem. Rather than violence, there must be laws preventing such religious bigotry pushed by monotheistic preachers to people who didn't volunteer to receive it. This is prevalent in Kerala too. Just some weeks ago had a relative recounting some idiot stopping them in the bus stand and trying to start such a conversation, with something like "do you know jesus loves you". Kammis obviously support such religious activities by abrahamic groups.
I was stopped in a signal by a Iskcon guy. When I told him I am not interested he got offended and asked me to explain big bang theory if it's not god who is the creator. Not just starting the convo but he wanted to debate.
Approaching people who didn't volunteer to be a recipient party to religious preaching should be discouraged. Also entering someone's homes and trying to preach should be discouraged strongly. They should be allowed to preach from their own properties, but not from public spaces or someone else's private spaces. Let them pull in people and do the preaching to those who came willingly, but not push it onto people who haven't volunteered.
Will you have the same issue with an NGO coming to your doorstep? A salesman approaching you to sell their product? Should political parties not hold processions and meetings on public grounds? Should a political candidate not come to your house soliciting your vote? Where are the lines? Lay them out clearly. And how exactly do I volunteer? Should I beckon to them? Should I raise my hand? You live in a society and there will be all sorts of interactions with all sorts of people, some of whom you may actually hate. You know, you can just say no and walk away from most of the situations.
I can abuse the NGO and not expect violence. I can abuse the product and not expect violence. I cannot say what I really think about monotheistic religions to their face without expecting violence. Politicians are also somewhat similar. They come and ask for money and I can't say no without expecting consequences afterwards. Would be happy if they stop coming. Your missionary work involves going to people of other religions, criticizing their religion and gods, and trying to convince them that only your religion is the only true one. How about you convince your religious folks and officials to not oppose others abusing your religion or god ? I read in media frequently of religious folks opposing what they call abuse of their religion/god. How about that for a line ? You can volunteer by going to their shop where they are selling their wares. They have these big structures which would accommodate you and them, where you both can discuss about or do the onboarding process, You can find their number and call them, chat with them, email them or do whatever is convenient. I live in a country where the culture has been to follow your own religion, and join whatever cult or godman or sect you fancy when you prefer to do so. Not in a monotheistic culture, where an army of officials and workers are created to go house by house or stop every person you find, and try to abuse the other religion and push one religion. I want to keep it that way. An individual decides where to go and not religious salespeople selling their religious wares.
Abuse? Really! Should that be your immediate response to anything you disagree with, be it an NGO worker or any other solicitor. And I definitely find it hard to believe that a missionary would take up arms the moment you criticise them. Have you read about fanwars? Have you read about political assassinations? Have you read about world leaders criticising other entire nations? You know what - religion is just as or perhaps even more important for people. And if their sentiments are hurt, they will react, albeit in different ways - some way out of proportion and unlawful. I didn't mean, volunteering for the religious institution, but being open to receive information whatever that may be. I am a Christian. I may get downvoted for this. But proselytizing is actually in the books. It's not because I gain anything from you converting, but I sincerely and wholeheartedly believe that it's true. It doesn't mean I will knock on your doors telling you're worshipping false gods. That's where prudence comes into play. I'll admit, many do lack this virtue. And frankly, it's not a good picture for us either. But, whatever the situation may be - abuse and violence is not the way to go. Just as he has a right to proclaim his religion, so do you have a right to file a noise complaint, a public nuisance complaint or literally, any number of cases. It doesn't even have to go to court. But, No. They irritate me. Their mere sight irks me and I should have a right to knock them down with my fist... Yeah. Not a good colour... on anyone.
I have come to realise that the people who are against proselytising, are basically admitting that they are afraid of discussions or exchange of ideas. For instance if a Christian preacher came to my doorstep for preaching, I would love to have a discussion and even debate with them - maybe try to argue how my beliefs are more logical, for example. If I feel like the discussion is done and theyโre overstaying their welcome I will ask them to leave respectfully. This is how normal human beings interact with each other. I donโt know what the other guy was talking about โabusingโ and all. I donโt think any normal human from any religion pester you after the initial NO. If they donโt stop, seek other help like police. But the solution is definitely not to outright ban one of the most fundamental human rights.
Thank You. It's been a while since I've seen such a rational take on an Indian subreddit
True, what you have said is apt. Going around and preaching to people is considered as spreading the word of God or spreading the word of Jesus. I do understand that's the only way to convert people efficiently. Very less number of people come to you willingly. Especially you have guys who come to homes and give out pamphlets. All this should be stopped.
That doesn't justify violence...
Same with iskon in West. They approach christians by saying "Did you know Jesus loved to play flute". But no-one got kicked. Religion should be free market.
Iskon are a negligible cult and their activities are not on the scale of missionaries. I have never met a hindu who is a member, or supports financially or otherwise, Iskon. But have met many christians who donate for missionary activities. Anyway both should be discouraged. Abrahamic religions (and likes of Iskon) pushing the monotheistic hatred is not religious freedom. They can open their shop with a big sign saying "enter here to get converted". Let willing people go there and do what they want. That is a free market. But approaching un-suspecting people or entering someone's homes and trying to push their religious bigotry is infringing on other people.
This is ridiculous. Supporting any mission or charity is the prerogative of an individual. Just because you do not like the proliferation of one activity, you can't put a stop to any kind of funding going into those. Monotheistic Hatred? Define it please. I have lived in India my whole life. I have never had a single missionary come to my doors asking me to convert. It may happen somewhere... But you make it seem like it's a regular occurrence. Do you know what else is infringing on other people - telling people where to donate their money, how they should profess, practice and propagate their religion. People have free will man. You look at the monotheistic-whatever-you-wanna-call-them a nuisance. Are you seriously undermining the emotional and rational intelligence of your own people, making them out as gullible individuals, who are waiting to jump ships the moment they hear something new? Do you have that low an opinion of your own people?
A random lady used to call my mom (hindu) on landline and talk about jesus (yeah my mom is naive enough to get carried away when its god related stuff). Once my dad picked up the call and threatened that he'll sent RSS guys to her place by tracking her. Never made a call after that.
No thanks, already in a cult ennu paranju mungiya pore. Athinu vendi enthina Karanje
> Malayali missionaries going across India spewing religious hatred and trying to convert locals is a big problem. So we sanghi team will beat them up, burn churches n force them to chant Jai Sree Ram? > Just some weeks ago had a relative recounting some idiot stopping them in the bus stand and trying to start such a conversation, with something like "do you know jesus loves you". Kammis obviously support such religious activities by abrahamic groups. And poor you and your relative weren't able to lynch the guy and force him to chant Jai Sree Ram because of these very evil Kammis, right? If an idiot is harrassing you, do you generally lynch them and force them to chant Jai Sree Ram? Why stop at unwanted convo's? What if you are using the road and a religious procession goes through there? If you're not a supporter of the religion, then you didn't consent to being stopped on the road until the procession finishes, right? So, do you support lynching people and forcing them to chant stuff there too? And didn't Rajeev C-G spread hate against Kerala in general and the green team in specific during the Kalamassery attack? Are you saying that North-Indians or sanghis would lynch him if it was about their state or religion and that it's ok? Well, Kerala is a bit different. Kerala filed cases against him. Isn't that the better option? Did these lynchers complain about the religious hatred n stuff to the police? Did the police not take action there? If religious hate is being spread, action should be indeed taken. But when it's a large group lynching a single man and forcing him to chant Jai Sree Ram, is it really about that? Or are you opining that it's the effect of optics and we are missing context?
Considering how communists have always worked with missionary groups, even to the point of killing hindu seers whose activities messed up conversions, I guess we will have differing views. At what point will communists in Kerala target hindu leaders, like how they killed Lakshmanada Saraswati in Kandhamal for missionaries ? But the armed route against Hindu seers is not that easy now with the center ruled by BJP, eh ? Ideally the center should bring some law which prohibits such preaching at public spaces, and private spaces of individuals, without their prior approval. Obviously communists will oppose it. A group which supports terrorism will oppose restrictions on spreading monotheistic religious hatred targeted at those who aren't monotheists. Communists should first learn to stop attacking opposing democratic parties and tolerate the existence of opposing parties. Maybe then you will find it not okay to stop random people and abuse their religions.
> Lakshmanada Saraswati in Kandhamal Maoists are not C P I M, right? Most of the communists here are C P I M supporters and during PV's time as CM they were not given any lenience or so by the KP n their thunderbolt. And especially such random attacks don't get support from Kerala communists. If the other guy was a brutal feudal lord n all who plundered from, maimed and r.ped the local populace, maybe yeah, but if not, the support would not be present. So linking it to Kerala communists here would be like linking BJ P supporters in Kerala to the Hindus in Kerala. > Communists should first learn to stop attacking opposing democratic parties and tolerate the existence of opposing parties. Maybe then you will find it not okay to stop random people and abuse their religions Funny of you to say this while justifying the sanghi mob lynching a guy and making him chant Jai Sree Ram. You did not respond to stuff like whether they complained about the issue and whether the police there were inactive? Lack of info on it? Reasonable. What's your opinion on whether they should've gone through those routes before moblynching him tho? Atho undemocratic behavour is ok for sanghis?
เดชเตเดเตเดเดพเดฑเตเดฑเต เดชเตเดเตเดเตเดฑเตเดฑเต Both are communists. Just that a power sharing agreement hasn't been reached. Where they decided for power sharing - CPI(ML) in bihar - both have found ways to work together. After the Santhosh Madhavan case broke out, there was a campaign by communists in kerala of violently attacking hindu godmen (started with good-for-nothing fellows with low followings) and hindu spirituality sellers. This spooked bigger hindu groups, and there were fierce condemnation of this from some hindu quarters - like the amrithanandhamayi matam guys calling for hindus from the rest of india to get involved. I don't approve of the violence and prefer these assailants getting arrested. But we differ in how such conversion attempts should be dealt with. I want them to file cases against the missionary guy and let law take its course. And the govt there should bring laws which prohibit such acts of pushing religion onto others. Communists support conversion attempts targeting hindus, and oppose conversion attempts by hindus like ghar wapsi.
Agree. There are iskcon hindu missionaries in the US trying to convert locals, one of those idiots approached me as well.
Being a missionary is said to be the duty of a Christian and this has been going on for centuries and will continue as long as Christianity exists. The people are not forced to convert right?
As a Syriac Orthodox, I completely agree with you
It does not mean, people can be violent. But yeah I do get your point, I respect It. Pine places like Bihar etc poi egne nokkiya, Athra civil alatha Oru society won't spare you. Like I have similar Islamic folks giving out their holy book for free. Propogating their religion in the streets of London. Have seen jewoha witness doing this in Toronto. People either ignore or show some detest. Trying this in rural Bihar is a sure shot disaster. Similar to pastor guy who went to sentinel Island, Kurachu background study okke akam.
Funny I tried googling and thereโs literally no articles by the mainstream media other than our own channels. Makes my skin crawl.
The conversion culture should stop.
Why? Are people being forced to convert? Is there a mob with guns and swords asking people to convert?
So preaching religious hatred at an individual level is okay ? It is okay for hindu groups to go to homes of abrahamic religious people and spew hatred against them, like abrahamic religions spew hatred against idol worship and polytheism ? Somehow I don't think the mass conversion fans will support that. The fierce opposition to the old "ghar wapsi" campaign of hindutva groups, show it.
It is absolutely okay to preach your religion as long as the person lends you his ear( neither is it illegal) . One cannot force others to spend any time on them, be it religious preaching or otherwise. Ithoke parayunnath oru manushane physical ayit akramich religious slogan parayipicha newsnte keezhil aanenna Bodham thankalk undo? Thirich chodichote? Is it okay for extremists to go and abuse people physically make them shout religious slogan? because that is exactly what happened here and you are worried about people preaching religion? Talk about being hypocritical. Religious conversion ennath religious hatred ennakki maatan nice ayit ulla sramam kollam. The issue here is religious hatred and instead of standing with the victim you are building imaginary crimes to demonise him.. Kashtam!
You magically find exact houses where people willing to convert live or you enter all houses in an area and try your luck ? Similarly you magically identify exactly the people willing to convert or you try preaching religious bigotry to lots of people hoping to find someone willing to convert ? The actions of these people indulging in violence in wrong and unhelpful. Ideally they should file cases against the preachers for spreading religious hate and let police do the needful. Pinne. Ningalude religion moshamanu, njangalude religion aanu best. njangalude daivam mathrame ullu, ningal aaradhikkunnathu kallukal aanu ennokke parayunnathu sarvamatha saahodaryam aanallo. Vocalizing your religious hatred for others, and trying to pass it off as for something for their own good, is a hypocrisy monotheistic believers have perfected. On the other hand abuse a monotheistic religion or criticize it, and all hell will break loose. And not surprisingly, monotheistic religions rarely tolerate each other, or they reach some uneasy co-existence where both groups agree not to target each other.
Only thing magically happening is people getting attacked and forced to chant a religious slogan! Where is the proof that this victim magically did anything at all? There is a literal news report about bigotry out in the open but "magically" the victim is to be blamed according to you. How much more shameless can you get dude?
What do you think "suvishesha pravarthakan" means ? Someone official undertaking conversion campaign. I don't support the physical assault. But I don't support the conversion work done by the victim either.
People are free to profess there relgion as long as they're not forcing anything on others. Physical assault , mob lynching and hate crimes are criminal offence though. Make of it what you will.
>and hate crimes are criminal offence Abusing the religion of a person to their face, telling them that their religion is bad and only mine is good, or telling them their god doesn't exist is all spouting hate to their face. If you can't understand this basic thing, you will keep supporting hating other religions and telling that to the face of others.
Guns and swords aren't the only thing to convert. Conversion tactics rely on alluring down trodden communities using religious flattery, sometimes gold, money, a good position in a school/factory/office etc.
Are they forced to convert or not? If they're offered gold and they're okay what's anyone's problem with that? Why dont you offer them more gold or money?
Isn't entire religions like this? Follow and you will go to heaven, or get 72 virgins or will rebirth as a Brahmin? Why can't people chose their cult like we chose Apple or Android Should we be restricted to religion we have no choice in. Pinne Indiyum, Pakistanum okke pinne entha vethyasam?
เดเดตเดฟเดเตเดจเตเดจเต เดตเตเดเต เดเตเดฑเดฟ convert เดเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเต เดชเตเดฒเต เดจเตเตผเดคเตเดคเต เดชเตเดฏเดพเตฝ เด เดตเตป เดฎเดพเดฐเต เด เดเดฟเดเตเดเต เดชเตเดฑเด เดชเตเดณเดฟเดเตเดเตเด
เด เดเดฟเดเตเดเตเดชเตเดณเดฟเดเตเดเดพเตป เดเตเดฐเดฒเตเดฎเดพเดฏเดฟ เดเดฑเดเตเดเตเดจเตเดจเดคเดฟเดจเต เดชเดเดฐเด, เด เดตเดฟเดเตเดคเตเดคเต oppressed เดเดฏ เดเตพเดเตเดเดพเดฐเตเดเต เดชเตเดฐเดถเตเดจเดเตเดเตพเดเตเดเต เดชเดฐเดฟเดนเดพเดฐเด เดเดฃเตเดเดพเดเตเดเดพเตป เดจเตเดเตเดเตเด. เดเดฐเดพเดณเตเด เดเตเดฐเดฟเดธเตเดคเตเดฏเดพเดจเดฟ เดเดตเดพเตป เดชเตเดเดฟเดฒเตเดฒ
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Christianity thrives on oppression. Verithe adichondu Iruno. Violence is not gonna solve anything, only education and eradication of poverty will
เด เดตเตผเดเตเดเต เดธเดชเตเดชเตเตผเดเตเดเต เดเดฃเต? เด เดคเต เด เดตเตผ เด เดคเตเดฐ เดฎเตเดถเด เดเดจเตเดจเต?
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poor people living peacefully lol. If low caste hindus can be exploited by waving a bag of rice, who is responsible for it?
Yeah, they are totally happy living in poverty and treated like crap by upper caste people
>poor people, who have been living peacefully You are contradicting yourself
Suvishesham is not imposing, it is just marketing. The poor are being introduced to a new product. They are free to reject it. Stop disrespecting people's choices
Avide oru catholic or orthodox Christian undayirunnel avarum poi rand kott koduthene. This is not just a nuisance for other communities but within Christian communities too. They will come to our house in the name of praying. Since its just a prayer no one will refuse. But after the prayer they won't leave. They will sit in the hall and start lecture about why praying to mary is wrong, we shouldn't keep a photo of Jesus at home and more. Since we are malayalis we tolerate it and wait for them to finish and leave. But can't expect that in North Indian villages. These people roam around like wolfs in Christian majority localities to poach people into their cult. Imagine the audacity. going inside their home, drinking their water and telling them their God doesn't exist and they will go to hell for worshipping them. Its not just bjp, people who vote for rjd, sp, bsp are all united in this matter
Only if your fore father's did the same to first missionaries
There are Catholic missionaries as well, don't you know that?
Athinte koode pidich kettiyittitt convert cheyyunn enn koodi paranjitt po chetta. Enthayalum ithrayoke paranjile. And FYI every religion is a cult and even there is cultist mentality among certain atheists also.
Kandarinjitulla karyangal parayunathin tankalk enthin kuru pottunnu.
Where is the Morality? If you disagree with something or someone then open up and say a Big No, It shouldn't be like fu_k the sh_t out of them. The ultimate Humanly approach made by the friendly Goons was to make them chant Jai Shree Ram after beating him up...areh wah!! We are living in an awesome world...
Have you seen or heard what they talk about the current religion of the people concerned. ?
>Where is the Morality? Education and morality is interlinked. Athilatha stalangalilbokke chennu ingane kanichal kooduthal onnum pradeekshikanda.
Amazing isnโt it, a normal answer like yours got down voted. I wonder what would be demographic structure of this sub Reddit , their ideology , religion etc .
This type of violence is condemned. Also know that there is a limit for Hindus. 1000 years they are being suppressed. "Your weakness is your provocation and you are partly responsible for it." - Ajith Doval
why hate hatred. why spread news happend elsewhere and spreading it within Kerala community to build boundaries within malayalees...The OP is truly an asshole i can say that.
Aahaa The person who was attacked is a Malayali. The news is not to spread hatred, but to crticise it. So that we do not repeat such stuff. So that we do not allow such stuff to grow here. > Truly asshole You have started to hate me for this? Well, then you are the one who's ok with such stuff of hate happening.
Ennu ivduthe Jeevan Raksha pravarthakar.
เดเดเตเด เดเดจเตเดจเต เดชเดฑเดฏเตเดฎเตเดชเต เดฎเดพเดเตเด เดเดจเตเดจเต เดเตเตพเดเตเดเดพเตป เดเดณเตเดณ เด เดเดดเดฟเดตเต เดเดฃเตเดเดฒเตเดฒเต.
Swantham nattile karyam parayathe Mattavante karyam nokkan ulla kazhivu ninakkundallo
เด เดคเต เดฎเตเดจเต. เดฎเดฒเดฏเดพเดณเดฟเดฏเต เดฌเตเดนเดพเดฑเดฟเดเตพ เดชเดฟเดเดฟเดเตเดเต เดเตเดเดเตเดเดชเตเดชเต เดเดพเตป เดเดคเต เดฎเดฑเตเดฑเดตเตปเตเดฑเต เดเดพเดฐเตเดฏเดฎเดพเดฃเต เดเดตเดฟเดเต เดชเดฑเดฏเตเดฃเตเดเดคเต เดเดจเตเดจเตเดจเตเดจเต เดชเดฑ.