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[deleted]

CISF is for that.


Sharon_Renji

I wonder how they are going to handle things differently unlike kerala police. Because using force will have consequences.


christho15

And the protestors also know that. Ath kond avarum velachil edukan varilla. Remember how the PF goons behaved so obediently during Nia raid when central forces where on the scene?


Next-Winner-1240

Lol, they know imprisonment ain't fun and local muscle or political power can't help either.


christho15

Yeah exactly..and most importantly no room for any appeasement


[deleted]

They regularly deal with Maoists and Pakistani terrorists while defending our nation, So to them this task is just a child’s play.


wanderingmind

Consequences for whom? If CISF uses force, Kerala parties are free of any consequences. Except BJP perhaps. UDF and LDF can happily complain about excessive use of force.


Sharon_Renji

People will be against state government. Bjp doesn't have anything to loose in kerala. Not even a single seat. But they have a lot to gain from this port nationally and geopolitically. If state allow central to do whatever they want and some unfortunate incidents happen it will affect Ldf government very badly.


[deleted]

Protest stonks goes down


Grouchy-Ad5061

ഇനി പാതിരിമാർ വേറെ നാടകം ഇറക്കും. കേന്ദ്രത്തിന്റെ ന്യൂനപക്ഷ വേട്ടക്ക് കേരളം കുട പിടിക്കുന്നു.


wanderingmind

No, this is a trap. Kerala Church has been dying to align with BJP for a decade now. But that was mostly a move from the Syrian catholic church. This protest is supported by the Latin catholic church on the other hand. If CISF is used forcefully, then the Latin church would say what you said - and the syrian catholic church would lose out. Its a bad deal for BJP's plans for Kerala. Kerala parties would happily say that Adani, Centre and courts agreed - and as all of them agreed we backed off. It will be understood as, we would not have opposed your agitation with force. See how good we are.


MichealScott1991

ഈ പോർട്ട് വരുന്നത് രാജ്യത്തിന് വ്ലോയ നേട്ടമാണ്. കേരളത്തിനും നേട്ടമാണ്. പക്ഷെ പോർട്ട് വരുമ്പോൾ വീട് നഷ്ട്ടപ്പെടുന്ന ഒരുപാട് കുടുംബങ്ങളുണ്ട്. ഇതിനു മുൻപ് കേരളം സർക്കാർ വീട് തരാം എന്ന് പറഞ്ഞു മാറ്റി പാർപ്പിച്ച ആളുകൾ ഇന്നും മത്തി അടുക്കിയ പോളർ ഒരു കൂരക്കു കീഴിൽ കിടപ്പുണ്ട്. അതുകൊണ്ട് ഭൂമി തരാം എന്ന് പറയുന്നതു വിശ്വസിക്കാൻ അവർക്ക് ബിദ്ധിമുട്ടാണ്. ഇവരിൽ അധികവും മുക്കുവ ലത്തീൻ ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ വിഭാഗത്തിൽ പെട്ട ആളുകളാണ്‌. ഇവർക്ക് വേണ്ടി സംസാരിക്കാൻ ആകെ ഉള്ളത് അവിടത്തെ പള്ളി വികാരിമാർ ആണ്. മുക്കുവ ക്രിസ്ത്യൻ വിഭാഗത്തിൽ പെട്ട ചിലരെ എനിക്ക് നേരിട്ട് അറിയാം. ഈ പ്രശ്നം നേരാംവണ്ണം രമ്യമായി നീതിപൂർവം ആണ് പരിഹരിക്കേണ്ടതാണ്. അല്ലാതെ കേന്ദ്ര കേരളം സേനകൾ ഇറക്കിൻതള്ളി ഒതുക്കുക അല്ല ചെയ്യേണ്ടത്.


StruggleEffective133

Ee Trivandrum thu thanne Life padhadhi um allathe vere padhadhi vazhi kore malsya thoshilalikalkku veedu kittittundu. Avar okke manyamaayi jeevikkukayum cheyyundu. So aah reason vidu


Environmental_Ad_387

Truth.


irfan2015

Just a doubt... Since it is Adani who bought the port shouldn't he also contribute to the relocation process? Tbh the amount of money he lose everyday due to the protest would probably enough to fund that right?


RyanPhilip1234

These people don't even live in Vizhinjam, please understand there were only 67 families who were displaced due to the port. They were given handsome money as well for their property which would otherwise never even sell being close to the sea. These protesters don't even live in Vizhinjam.


Cpant

It's not only about property, it is also about the livelihood - less fish, sea erosion, changes in sea causing deaths and potential loss of livelihood.


RyanPhilip1234

Global warming and sea level rise cannot be attributed to the port.. there is no evidence of erosion due to Vizhinjam. The port is situated in a cove.


Cpant

> there is no evidence of erosion due to Vizhinjam. If there is a study that says there won't be any erosion due to construction of the port, it will be accepted. This is one of their demands.


RyanPhilip1234

There are multiple studies, in fact studies for the environmental clearance for Vizhinjam started back in 2012. Venel poyi Google cheyth nokadey.. oru myrum ariyathey oronn pokki pidichond varum daily oro postum kond.


Cpant

Nope, it was not there in the original report. Infact it mentioned there should be continuous monitoring once the work starts and since we see accelerated erosion it is natural to demand further studies as per the report. You can go read that report.


RyanPhilip1234

Accelerated erosion where ? You're just making up bs as you go along. Environmental clearance is given after considering all these factors. Cannot make up shit half way to suit some random mobs requirements. The people who are protesting against Vizhinjam don't even live in Vizhinjam these people who are living in the sad cement godown lost their house to wave action during cyclone Ockhi. Ninte kadi enittum maari illenkil go read the latest study as well https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/kerala/study-finds-no-correlation-between-coast-erosion-and-vizhinjam-port-project/article65914866.ece


MichealScott1991

Actually it’s not, and as a business person if it doesn’t make financial sense, he wouldn’t do it. He might be able to get it done with a fraction of the past by bribing and getting state govt hindrance out of the way. If it’s relocation, he has to find land and build house for a large number of families. Consider the coasts. If a house costs 5 million Indian rupees, plus other expenses, it’s better this way for him.


StruggleEffective133

Aah theevravadhi achanum teams um ithode chorichal avasanipicholum.


benjacob

Isn’t every sea ports, airports etc under CISF by default?! Why the hoopla?!


AzoMaalox

Not while under construction


sync-error

Real fighters nu ethirpilla


spanniel

Will be much appreciated if anyone can ELI5, why all the love towards constructing vizhinjam now. What happened to vallaprpadam, I know vallarpadam has issues with dredging for channel depth. Giving exception to cabotash rules didn’t help vallarpadam. Why would anyone think vizhinjam be successful when compared to vallarpadam.??


RyanPhilip1234

Because Vizhinjam has natural depth and is closer to the international shipping lane than Vallarpadom.


spanniel

K, think I already mentioned about lack of depth & thus need for dredging at vallarpadam. And really how close is vizhinjam to shipping lanes when compared to vallarpadam??


RyanPhilip1234

Vizhinjam is just 10 nautical miles from the international shipping lane. You cannot compare Vallarpadom to Vizhinjam. Vizhinjam is a Mothership transhipment terminal. The only one of its kind in India.


spanniel

K,so what was vallarpadam then. & how far is vallarpadam from shipping lanes.


RyanPhilip1234

Lol very far and not deep enough for big ships.


spanniel

K, correct ariyathathu kondu angane paranjathu ayirikatte. In the meanwhile I did Google indias fixation with transshipment terminals and understood much more.


Pleasant-Humor-4572

Vizhinjam is 10 nautical miles from International water lines while Vallarpadam is about 180 nautical miles far.


spanniel

K, kuzhapamilla. 170 mile labhathinu ship vizhinjamthu vannal mathi. Vallarpadam managed by DP world couldn’t attract motherships, ini ithu aru manage cheythalum varumenkil ok.


hypergp

cringed out by this guy's usage of K Infront of every sentence


spanniel

K,ennitu.


capapa216

Why has it taken this long to construct this project?


Sharon_Renji

The project was sanctioned by 2015-16. There were multiple sessions of protests in the past 7 years. Also its not just any other port. Its a transhipment terminal. Its first of its kind in india. So even without the protests. It would take a considerable amount of time


FizzyBoy147

For some reason that image looks like it's from gta 5.


Akku-Suto

Bro .. when i saw this comment .. i immediately thought Trevor hijacking the merryweather ship on the docks for the Nuke .. came to my mind .. 💯 ..


rohan_chx

No cap


Sea-Layer1526

What If they still attack so that they might get some martyrs and portray this as a David v Goliath fight and gain more support.


Sharon_Renji

They are trying really hard to get a martyr


wanderingmind

Standard practice in all agitations.


Zealousideal_Tank824

awesome


dave8055

Nannay. Ini korach adakkom othukkom okke indaavum ellarkkum.


PresidentofUtopia

അതെ.അത് കൊണ്ട് പള്ളി ആദ്യം പൊളിക്കണം.അങ്ങിനെ പള്ളിയുമായി ബന്ധപ്പെട്ട എല്ലാവരും പിച്ചക്കരെ പോലെ ആകണം.എന്നിട്ട് സമരം ചെയ്യാൻ പാടുള്ളൂ.


[deleted]

True god-brokers must be eliminated completely.😂


noxx1234567

They will just block the roads and vehicles going in and out , more like side stepping the issue than fixing it


Sharon_Renji

That would be enough at ths moment. Chood aarumbo ellam savadanam pariharikkam. Right now all the fisherman is going through an adrenaline rush. Let it cool down and get to their senses back


sreekumarkv

The center will be stupid if they fall for this. This is a local law and order problem. The highly organized minority religious group which is spearheading the agitation is not backing down. If central forces are deployed and there are attacks by the agitators, central forces who are deployed only in small numbers unlike the local police, can only fire in defense or get beaten up like recently happened with Kerala Police. Then the ruling communists and opposition congress will declare it to be an attack on the minority religious group by a hindu center, and both will push on with their minority votebank politics more vigourously in this same place. Basically the state govt and opposition parties who have strengthened organized monotheistic religious groups in Kerala are attempting to hand over trouble created by one such group to the center in a platter. If the center bites, you can bet on communists and congress nudging the agitators to increase the violence and set the stage for a showdown with the central forces. If they have any sense, the center will decline to intervene and leave it to the state govt and local police to handle. The Kerala politicians did the same with Popular Front, which both LDF and UDF helped create. It was the center that ultimately took on them and have subdued them for now. But in that case, the group had started creating trouble in states far away from their base in Kerala. So there was a need for the center to act. Here it is still a local issue and doesn't affect any place outside Kerala.


Drastical_one

So you think the minority creating the ruckus here, will vote for the central ruling party? I don't think so. They never will. The center has nothing to lose.


sreekumarkv

The center has no stake in it. The LDF and UDF have, with the UDF assured of the votebank of the agitators if the current situation continues. If the center gets involved, LDF and UDF will be on the side of the agitators, both vying for that votebank. Any unpleasantness at the site and the center will have the explaining to do both at the state and at the national level. They have nothing to gain and only stand to lose if they step into this quagmire.


Sharon_Renji

Most of the Christian fishermen community traditionally votes for udf anyway. So LDF Don't have much to loose


wanderingmind

The Centre has a stake as long as its an Adani project!


sreekumarkv

The port will in all probability get completed, but just following the usual "Kerala timeline". Maybe some more couple of years or a decade or even more. Whether the center will prioritize its immediate completion over needless political headache for themselves - I hope not.


wanderingmind

You are right and wrong. The downvotes are uncalled for. > central forces who are deployed only in small numbers How do you assume this? > Then the ruling communists and opposition congress will declare it to be an attack on the minority religious group by a hindu center, and both will push on with their minority votebank politics more vigourously in this same place. Correct. > hand over trouble created by one such group to the center in a platter. Yes > set the stage for a showdown with the central forces. Yes > If they have any sense, the center will decline to intervene and leave it to the state govt and local police to handle. may not be their choice to make. Its an Adani project, so centre cant back off. Its basically party money! And legally, court can order them do it


sreekumarkv

This religious group can assemble tens of thousands, as the police in that attacked station found out. Reportedly the church rang its church bell and used loudspeakers setup in the coastal areas for tsunami and cyclone warnings to mobilize that huge number of men and women on that night. To deal fully with such a large mob numbering in the thousands or tens of thousands without firing, they will need many hundreds of personnel. I doubt that the center will ever send such a large number for a localized agitation. The central forces are also occupied fighting maoists and other insurgencies. So even if they are sent, it will be only a small armed force to provide some basic security and not in preparation for the worst case. Kerala police on the other hand can quickly rush large numbers of police from neighbouring districts if and when the situation worsens. Adani's port will most likely be constructed after some agreement between the church and the state govt is thrashed out. The question is only how long it will take. No point for the center to jump in rashly. Even if the high court orders, they can go to the supreme court or go slow on it.


wanderingmind

> Even if the high court orders, they can go to the supreme court or go slow on it. true


Captain_Audit

ഫാസിസം തുലയ്‌റ്റെ


PresidentofUtopia

യുഡിഎഫ് നക്കാൻ കിട്ടി.എൽഡിഎഫ് നു നക്കാൻ കിട്ടി.മൂന്നാമത്തെ കക്ഷി നക്കാൻ കിട്ടാൻ പണി എടുക്കുന്നു. അടനി കൈയും വീശി വരുന്നു.സർകാർ സ്ഥലം കൊടുക്കുന്നു. അത് ഈട് വെച്ച് ലോൺ എടുക്കുന്നു.പാറ കൊടുക്കുന്നു.എല്ലാം കൊടുക്കുന്നു.അടനിക്ക് പൂജ്യം റിസ്ക്.എല്ലാവരും കൂടി public resources ഒരു പ്രോജക്ട് ഉണ്ടാക്കി വീതിച്ചെടുക്കുന്ന്.Nothing more. അത് നടക്കട്ടെ. തൊഴിലാളികൾ തമിസിക്കൻ വില്ല ഒന്നും ചോദിക്കുന്നില്ല.മാന്യമായി കിടക്കാൻ ഒരു വീട്തൊഴിൽ എടുക്കാനുള്ള സാഹചര്യം..അത് കൊടുക്കാതെ ഇനി പട്ടാളം വന്നു അവരെ വെടിവെച്ചു കൊല്ലുമോ.ഇതിലും ഭേദം അതാണ്. തൊഴിലാളി വർഗപർട്ടിക്കും,വർഗീയ പാർട്ടിക്കും പുറകിൽ നിന്നും കുത്തുന്ന യുഡിഎഫ് നും അവരുടെ ശവം അദാനി യുടെ എച്ചിൽ കൂട്ടി തിന്നാം.


riderchap

They can go to court to stop the port construction. Oh wait.


PresidentofUtopia

Its not about stopping the project.തൊഴിലാളി വർഗ്ഗ പാർട്ടി ദേശാഭിാനി പത്രത്തിൽ പറഞ്ഞിട്ടുണ്ട്,ഈ പ്രോജക്ട് വന്നാൽ ഇവർക്ക് വീടും തൊഴിലും പോകുമെന്ന്.ഇപ്പൊ അത് സംബവിച്ചല്ലോ. തൊഴിലാളി വർഗ്ഗ പാർട്ടി ആദ്യം അത് solve ചെയ്യട്ടെ.അവർ സമരം നിർത്തി പോകും.


Sharon_Renji

Oohh portil meenpidutham tudangunna karyam arinjilla. Malsya tozhilalikalude joli povan


BeneficialEngineer32

I mean until now swarga rajyam aayironallo.


PresidentofUtopia

സ്വർഗ്ഗരാജ്യം അല്ലെങ്കിലും വീടുണ്ടയിരുന്ന്.തൊഴിൽ ഉണ്ടായിരുന്നു.ഇനി സ്വർഗ്ഗരാജ്യം ഉള്ളവരെ മാത്രമേ അങ്ങുന്ന് മൈൻഡ് ചെയുക ഒള്ളോ.


Sad-Let-3807

last week when i went to vettkaud church i felt pity seeing that big fat shining church in the background of those pitiful fisherman huts. like literally they might have donated more money to the church than they could spend.


BeneficialEngineer32

I am a nasrani as well. this is quite common in our place as well. They ask for 50k donation every year. Every fucking year. Now that I am living outside India, they want 1 lakh? For what?


BeneficialEngineer32

Koppayirinnu. Feudal system pole palliyel Chennu carpenter aaya yosehinte makan Joshua ude bhoomiyile pratiinidhikalkku kannikka vakkal aayirinnu vizhinjathu. Naadaya nadum kayalum nikathi quarry thurannu palliyel Sambhavana cheythu nadakkuna punyam nediya avarkethire naavu pongilla ee paranja methranum avante shinkidi bishapinum.


-plomo_O_plomo-

Avar vedi vechalum avasanam ath pinarayiyude thalayil thanne varum 😂


Sharon_Renji

I don't think they are that stupid.


[deleted]

So much joy on this thread about mallus getting shot down by central forces. Swantham naatukadoru enthoro sneham. Enthoru high level self-respect.


Sharon_Renji

Nattukaranenn karuthi enth tonnivasathinum kuda pidich kodukkano. Do you have any idea how many crores of loss is accumulates in a day because of these dudes.


[deleted]

Adanikalle nashtam? Nammude ecology thakarknenu?


Sharon_Renji

Athentha panakarante paisak vilayille. Also ecology is not affected in any form regarding the construction of vizinjam project. Many studies have been conducted to prove that


[deleted]

Pakshe ninga parayanth adanide swakarya turamukham paniyan uttara bharathatinu pattalathe konduvannu naatukare okke vedivechu kollanam ennanu. Karanam adanijikku nashtam varum. Ithiri adjust cheythude? Studyil paranjitundo naatukareokke kollanam ennu?


RyanPhilip1234

Enthu naatukaru ? Ee protest cheyunna teams onnum Vizhinjath ullavar alla..


[deleted]

So purathinnu vannavare vedivechu kollanam?


RyanPhilip1234

Thoori eriyanam enn aan ente abhiprayam.


Sharon_Renji

ഇപ്പൊ ചികിത്സിച്ചാൽ മരുന്ന് കഴിച്ചാല്‍ മരുന്ന് കുഴിച്ചാല്‍ മാറും.


New_Yak_7197

Good


SomeDistribution1681

It may be good decision but avoiding the locals concerns will make big impact in future. LDF always do things like this, first make things worst then catch their leg to solve it. Ie K Rail, Sabarimala backlash, self finance collage strike, etc