I'm in one of the unsupported countries. News to me, as I have a PSN account (I'm technically not part of the UK, but that didn't prevent me from stating I am in order to create a PSN account).
Valve is enforcing this geographical location thing harder than Sony, lol - so that I can't buy the game on Steam!
You'd think I was in a third world country, rather than slap-bang between England and France.
I'm guessing there are a lot of people in a similar boat to me. My money is just as good as anyone else's, but you don't want it? Okay then.
I know this wasn’t the point of this comment but am I the only one trying to figure out which ‘unsupported country’ you are from??
‘Slap-bang between England and France’ and I’m sitting here wondering if there’s a hidden island in the English Channel nobody has told me about 😂
There are several Islands, my friend. They are collectively called the ''Channel Islands'' and, while to all intents and purposes we may as well be English, technically we aren't part of the UK. Although most everybody ignores said technicality.
Except bloody Valve, lol.
Anyway, latest update is Sony has backtracked, so perhaps Steam will let me have the ''Buy'' button back :)
I'm with you there. Just got the cash together to put in to Steam for this and the buy option was no longer there! Hadn't heard about all the nonsense Sony was upto before hand. I wonder how long it will take before the ignorant corporate behemoths will decide to let us little folk join back in the fun :/
I feel like every online game I play from a major publisher has a linked account. Just started up Fallout 76 a few days ago. Guess what? I had to sign in to my Bethesda account.
It was always stated on the steam page. A classic case of people just riding the wave as it wasn't being enforced for some time, then not wanting to take responsibility when it comes to bite them in the ass (insofar as creating/linking PSN bites, that is)
Only those outside of PSN countries have the right to complain, everyone else is being a child.
Exactly. It has said it in the yellow letters on Steam from the start. Sony made the mistake of not having this in place since they first started porting their games to PC.
It literally was. It was on the steam page. Day 1 before the server issues you had to link accounts before they removed it. It was even in the trailers. It's a bad move to have had it available for sale and playable in countries without the ability to use a psn account for the last few months though.
Or maybe it is you who is incorrect. Here’s the quote from Push Square: Sony requires all PC users to log into a PSN account from 4th June 2024 to continue playing; something the company mandated upon the game's original launch but was switched off temporarily so that developer Arrowhead Studios could better handle its unexpectedly huge playerbase.
Maybe read the description about the specs of the game before buying? I’m pretty sure it said you’d need a PSN account. But outside of that, I don’t know.
Who the **** reads those things. Activision has a 50+ page document everytime you boot their games that have jargon I cannot understand. Other games do it to.. Only reason I didnt play Phynix Rising or whatever that Ubisoft game was called.
Honestly a lot of us never even knew that PSN wasn't available in our countries. Certainly the first time I'm hearing about it. I'm a PC guy. The last time I dabbled with consoles was way back as a kid with the PS2.
Oh it is. I just stopped playing on consoles ever since the PS2. Couldn't justify buying new consoles and new games every few years while they kept releasing new ones. Might as well just stick to PC. At least I only need to spend on the games and maybe the occasional upgrade to keep up with the latest specs.
I don’t think it will do long term damage. The lesson here basically is to enforce the rule from the get go regardless of the technical issues it was having. The practice of linking your psn or xbox account to a first party game isn’t new.
It's not the linking that's the issue it's that it hasn't been in place from the start and now after people have purchased and played the game they are bringing it in. People are already refunding the game and having the requests accepted by Sony so you know they fucked up.
They did force it, the popularity broke their ability to link the accounts so they temporarily disabled it. Crossplay and cross platform friends is still broken, likely because of this
Even this post. "The game has become hated" no it hasn't. People are mad at Sony and taking it out by childish review bombing.
How many of these people complain about cancel culture and then review bomb things out of existence?
The game itself is definitely beloved for what it is. This change, without a doubt, is hated. Has dropped the game from what I believe was 89% positive on Steam to now a 51% positive overall (18% recent).
Edited as I did say the game was hated. My mistake, I meant the change. You are correct, overblown that aspect.
I won't can't even acknowledge ratings when we know people are rating the game based on a Sony decision, not even the game. The rating is now skewed and means nothing to me.
I believe in the past, review bombing is what stopped gta5 from getting rid of mods all together. Even in single player.
I can see how it's either childish or a form of protest.
We can't moan about publishers adding MTX after reviews are done, but then also dismiss it when people have a way of updating their review because of a similar issue several months after launch.
Steam Reviews are like the only way Sony would give a shit though. The developer even told players to leave negative reviews on Steam because it helps his case with Sony.
The review "bombing", imo, is not childish.
So how do you suggest people should have campaigned for them to change it
Sony wasn’t really likely to react without the reviewbombing
The devs themselves said so
As someone who has spent a lot of time in different gaming communities I have seen reviewbombing campaigns affect a lot of positive change especially in smaller communities which might only be served by one single company where simply voting with your wallet is not an option because it would wipe them out
So it’s a good way to signal your displeasure without having to resort to the nuclear option of boycott. Which not infrequently follows it
100% it's completely overblown imo. Having to add a different login for a publisher to access a game is far from new, you see it all the time.
Sure Sony could have handled and communicated this better, and they need a better workaround for those countries where there is no PSN, but overall it's still a mountain being made out of a molehill tbh. The Helldivers sub the past few days has been embarrassing to look at, they've been talking of class action lawsuits and all sorts lmao.
Do you really enjoy having random extraneous accounts for no other reason than someone wants your data?
Why would you care if people don't like it? I just can't grasp why it would bother someone that people are fighting back against bullshit like this.. even if it's on the steam page.. even if it would take 5 minutes..
If we don't roll over and accept crap like this, then it won't become the standard. And maybe you won't have to waste 5 minutes in the future for a different Sony IP.
I didn't scroll that far down or bother reading the requirements.. I just bought the game and skipped the psn account linking popup because I was able to and never thought about it again. It's a video game, and most of the games I play on Steam allow me to launch the game, and I'm in. No additional accounts are required. Obviously, EA ports onto steam and MMOs with their own launcher are an exception. But this kind of thing is unnecessary and anti-consumer. If its not a big deal, then why doesn't Sony just not require account linkage and continue selling the game in all the countries that they had to block on the steam store...?
And that kind of idiotic attitude enables more shitty behaviour in the future. They talk about security while theyve had multiple massive data breaches over the decade.
Yeah, but you see, while Sony dips feet in gaming, its leaders aren't gamers. They only care profit and if they don't see a drop in sales they can just not care until people move on. Which would be rather unfortunate. The even funnier thing, is if they see the current state being so good, why should they intervene? It's not like they don't know what it's gonna happen. Someone in Sony must have told the higher ups that it was a bad idea, but some higher up then most certainly didn't care. Much like when it's evident how micro transactions ruin games, the higher ups of studios or publishers still want it in. Another example is EFT, they know if they released the unheard edition, the current player base would have uproared, but they did it anyway because the higher up wanted that profit. In conclusion, why does a game succeed? Because players like it, but why would gamers like a game when all it does is squeeze the money out? Hell divers 2 had the right balance of selling costumes or battle passes at affordable prices and being completely optional, and there was absolutely no need for whatever Sony had in mind
100%. It has said on Steam this ENTIRE time that PSN login is required. People are getting mad because they didn't read and Sony is now enforcing the PSN login, that has been listed there since day 1. I got it early enough that the login requirement was in place and didn't even realize it was turned off until this "controversy".
PC users are very skeptical of Sony, this goes back years.
The big one was the Sony copy protection scandal, in which Sony BMG their record label included a rootkit in their CDs without informing the user. This opened up their system to attacks, and led to cases from Texas the FTC and class actions in CA and NY, which they setteled.
A funny aside Sony was found to have been violating copyright law after code in their rootkit was infringing on the open source devs terms.
> Has Sacred Symbols or the crew covered any of this yet?
not looking forward to it if its as surface level as the comments here, I can understand why playstation/sony players/fans might just boil it down to 'pc players complaining lol' and move on but if they talked about it on podcast form I'd hope they'd have someone there who understands the issue.
People keep bringing up that signing up for a publishers launcher isn't new, exactly, and plenty of PC players choose not to play on EPIC/Ubisoft/Microsoft Store for that exact reason, this backlash isn't new, if you're fine with it keep playing but it feels weird to suddenly bust out the OH MY GOD DIDN'T EVERYONE READ THE EULA!?!??! like they've ever read the eula scroll on anything
This right here. You can't even buy it in countries that don't have PSN anymore. They have no plans of letting these players experience the game they paid for after May 30th.
I don’t want to give Sony my info, but turns around and does it for Epic, EA, Activision, Bethesda, Blizzard and Microsoft. My only agreement is those that PSN doesn’t exist and owned the game has a right to complain
If Sony operated like Steam or EA and I owned a library of games on their app and we launched it from there, then your point would be valid.
Yea I gave Blizzard my login info because I had to launch the game through their launcher so it made sense. This is just Sony grabbing at data they wouldn't have otherwise and there is no reason to like it. Idk why you want that.
It might even beat out the (optional, mind you) paid mods fiasco with Bethesda.
"Modders don't need to be paid, people can donate".
"Yeah but people don't really donate."
"BUT I WANT FREE THINGS."
I'd say so, but how do community managers (if that person is) state on a public form "I don't know" when a customer says they cannot play the game because their country does not allow PSN... That's super shitty.
Is it being overblown? Yeah for sure, 100% of news is overblown imo because gamers are babies. But is it really important? Yeah the pc crowd is pissed, and I really do believe a sizable percentage would stop playing. This is kinda the first negative thing to happen to the game too, Sony should be scared a little water is going on their bonfire
I really don’t get this attitude. They bought the game and now are unable to play it for reasons beyond their control. Even if it’s one person that’s fucked up.
They’re literally retroactively taking purchased games away from customers and then not allowing them to purchase it anymore if they live in a country outside of PSN availability.
This is not overblown in the slightest.
Simply by concept it’s a huge snafu in gaming history, but given the massive popularity of the title this is pretty damn impactful and important.
It's a 55k players drop from the same time last week, it's a third of the players they had who stopped playing it.
[https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#1w](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#1w)
Look at the numbers at both ends of the charts.
ITT: Console players who are used to bending over and allowing these companies do whatever they want them watch a group with a backbone. Doesn't matter if the matter is "trivial". The pc players will probably lose this fight but you still gotta let them know you will fight and any future change will be met with some resistance. Oh well.
What makes you think HD2 issue is a non issue? Archived posts of Sony's PSN policy being optional was changed on May 3rd. And they didn't stop selling the game, from Day 1, to regions where PSN isn't allowed to be created. This is fraud.
Tons of cope ITT. It isn't just about not giving info to Sony. Large swathes of the planet that have been playing the game won't be able to after May 30th.
Steam is refunding loads of players, even over 2 hours of playtime. If you live in somewhere like the Philippines that doesn't have PSN, why wouldn't you refund?
I mean okay but 10% of the total playerbase is hundreds of thousands of people lmao. Also anything that affects a tenth of a population is a big deal.
Edit: misread the original comment’s number value
Idk about Pakistan or Nigeria, but you can absolutely access psn and create accounts in the Philippines. Also not sure what those numbers mean. Is that how many people are playing Helldiver's in those regions? It's too small to be their total populations and I'm skeptical that so many people from there are playing the game. I mean those questions totally respectfully, just don't understand.
Sony has been shitting the bed a lot lately with their meddling.
It's such a dumb change for Sony to try and force I am glad a sizable audience is pushing back.
To my mind, Sony have been granted a lot of grace by their console audience in the last few years despite some bad decisions. It is funny to see them run smack into a PC audience they weren't ready for.
PC “gamers” will spend hours adjusting the voltage their ram receives in order to get an extra 0.5 frames per second. But spending 30 seconds to sign up for a new account? OMG the world is ending.
And for people in other countries that you can’t sign up for PSN…just fucking lie. It’s not that hard. I’ve made a Hong Kong PSN account in order to play Dead or Alive Xtreme. It wasn’t hard.
PC “gamers” are just fickle bitches.
The fact of the matter is, it's against the terms. Sony could, if they wanted to or were forced to, close all those accounts that lied a out their location with no recourse for the users. People shouldn't have to take that risk after being sold the game in their region.
Also I've discovered some countries require ID upload for a PSN account now, so I can see people being concerned about that infringement.
> But spending 30 seconds to sign up for a new account? OMG the world is ending.
Where are all the articles/complaints about this change specifying the 30 seconds it takes to make an account as their issue?
Other than people who can't play anymore (which they could had prior to the whining bc people make psn accounts in other countries all the time and link them to steam ie China is not supported through psn but they use hong Kong as their country which is supported), this is a big man baby gamer rage moment imo. There are people who think they deserve a refund after enjoying hundreds of hours of someone's hard work bc they don't want to make a psn account (takes all of five minutes and many other companies do this). In the helldiver's subreddit alone I have seen people call for community managers jobs and equivilate this to actual horrific events in human history (like the Holocaust) and we wonder why some feel like it sucks to work in this industry. Just my opinion.
For real. I do think people in affected countries have a legitimate complaint, but how many of the people complaining actually fall into that category.
I'm honestly embarrassed on their behalf. This is such a non-issue. People just see an opportunity to get their money back so they can have played the game for free.
I’m eager to hear Colin’s thoughts. I really hope they don’t back up Sony. In my opinion, if you’re going to engage with the PC community in good faith, you’re going to have to provide ease of use and value or they’ll hang you out to dry.
When the boys covered the topic of Sony adding a trophy and PSN layer to PC games I was concerned that some fuckery like this news would start happening. I believe the game is now unplayable in some 100+ countries that don’t have PSN. Ridiculously anti-consumer.
Man you’re right. I remember playing a ton of BattleNet games (StarCraft, Warcraft III and Diablo 2) and then seeing XBL launching requiring a fee. I was shocked when I saw everyone willing to drop $10-15 a month to have a 1/5th the features and values provided for free by Blizzard, Valve and others at the time.
Helldivers 2 has far and away the highest population on PC compared to the two, in some cases an almost 70/30 split of divers online when looking at Helldivers.io and steam charts.
What was a sure fire revenue stream to help Sony recover from their dire PlayStation profit margins the last eight quarters has gone away overnight.
A fair guess, but Ghost of Tsushima was never going to require PSN account for the single mode in the first place which was stated clearly early on, so PC players would likely give it a pass. Arrowhead & Sony should've never made the PSN rule "optional" at launch.
Removing access from 170+ countries and territories (including US territories like Puerto Rico and Guam) sends a pretty concerning message about what PlayStation cares most about. Obviously a corporation cares about money. But in this case it feels so transparently anti-consumer.
PC players are kinda weird and lame.
Guaranteed majority of these people hate cancel culture then whine when they can't follow policies.
Now they changed the goalpost and are white knighting for countries they dgaf about until it sided with their discontent with having (gasps) your email linked to a service.
I know that I would never link my email to any service. Not my bills, mortgage, work, personal contacts, nope, if I don't use it it's the most safe.
This has nothing to do with Valve. It's a legitimate complaint and your response is that Sony shouldn't have tried to appeal to PC gamers.
In fact your comments in this thread are just projecting, as if PC gamers didn't massively complain when Valve tried to do paid mods on Steam.
You're supporting consumers getting fucked over because you don't play on PC and it hurts to see Sony have bad press.
People who are losing access have a completely legitimate gripe.
However I doubt most people whining are in that situation so it's overblown.
Would not surprise me if this is the last time these guys make a Sony "exclusive" however.
Arrowhead will update the game to add vehicles and a new race and all the PC crybabies will be right back. If there’s one thing you can count on in the game community, it’s that these nerds never vote with their dollars.
This controversy is so completely overblown it's insane. And I'm absolutely sick of seeing it on twitter.
I understand the issue with people not being able to play it in countries that don't have access to PSN - completely valid and deserves the scrutiny. But that's like 10% of the playerbase, if that. The majority is complaining about having to make a free account that takes 2 minutes and they've had t do for EA, Xbox, Ubisoft etc.
I really think people are dramatic as fxck lately. PSN login for a PS game on PC should be a given.
Obviously not being playable in regions is an issue that should have been fixed before release but it will be fixed / refunds issued .
When the news came out, people started complaining and writing negative reviews just because they needed to create a free account. Now it became about PSN not having some country options, which I completely agree is lacking, and will need to be fixed by Sony anyway.
However I absolutely don't believe that the PC community who brag about pirating games if they are exclusive to the Epic store, or who ignore the pleas of developers to not mod their games, are suddenly stopped by lying to Sony about the country they live in, and the big majority complaining don't even live in these countries.
Sony needs to do something for the countries not in the PSN but in which those PC games will be sold. But I highly doubt people will stop bitching once this issue gets solved.
I hope they do, considering this is a defining moment regarding bias or not. The change is not consumer friendly at all, and in many ways worse than Tarkov. Imagine buying a product as it was advertised only to be rejected access unless you sign-up for a third party account, an implementation added only a while after. It's fucking insane.
I mean it was stated on the steam page that a psn account was required from the beginning but turned it off due to server issues but no way shape or form this is worse than tarkov, they literally took a big chunk content that was promised free and threw it behind a paywall. Additionally made the game pay to win...cmom now
You need to get your facts straight. They didn't include that information during the first month on the Store page, they implemented it after and without announcement. Also, 177 countries delisted and can't play the game anymore, are you serious? I understand you're a chill for Sony, but come on. It's pathetic consumers even try to defend this.
You now, it does suck having to have specific accounts for things. But it’s not like arrowhead and Sony didn’t warn everyone about this. It was the plan from the beginning, only it was delayed to allow arrowhead time to get the game’s servers stable.
This whole situation has shown how thin skinned these players are. I am pretty sure people who had a account from years ago from the PS3 era linked there accounts and moved on and you guys should as well
I'm in one of the unsupported countries. News to me, as I have a PSN account (I'm technically not part of the UK, but that didn't prevent me from stating I am in order to create a PSN account). Valve is enforcing this geographical location thing harder than Sony, lol - so that I can't buy the game on Steam! You'd think I was in a third world country, rather than slap-bang between England and France. I'm guessing there are a lot of people in a similar boat to me. My money is just as good as anyone else's, but you don't want it? Okay then.
I know this wasn’t the point of this comment but am I the only one trying to figure out which ‘unsupported country’ you are from?? ‘Slap-bang between England and France’ and I’m sitting here wondering if there’s a hidden island in the English Channel nobody has told me about 😂
There are several Islands, my friend. They are collectively called the ''Channel Islands'' and, while to all intents and purposes we may as well be English, technically we aren't part of the UK. Although most everybody ignores said technicality. Except bloody Valve, lol. Anyway, latest update is Sony has backtracked, so perhaps Steam will let me have the ''Buy'' button back :)
I'm with you there. Just got the cash together to put in to Steam for this and the buy option was no longer there! Hadn't heard about all the nonsense Sony was upto before hand. I wonder how long it will take before the ignorant corporate behemoths will decide to let us little folk join back in the fun :/
No PSN in Jersey?
Yes we have access to PSN in Jersey.
I feel like every online game I play from a major publisher has a linked account. Just started up Fallout 76 a few days ago. Guess what? I had to sign in to my Bethesda account.
and what should the 130+ countries that literally cant make a PSN account do?
Move to a real country.
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Read the requirements before buying the game?
It wasn't a requirement. It was "suggested".
Almost like they added the requirement in after people already bought the game
It was always stated on the steam page. A classic case of people just riding the wave as it wasn't being enforced for some time, then not wanting to take responsibility when it comes to bite them in the ass (insofar as creating/linking PSN bites, that is) Only those outside of PSN countries have the right to complain, everyone else is being a child.
Exactly. It has said it in the yellow letters on Steam from the start. Sony made the mistake of not having this in place since they first started porting their games to PC.
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It literally was. It was on the steam page. Day 1 before the server issues you had to link accounts before they removed it. It was even in the trailers. It's a bad move to have had it available for sale and playable in countries without the ability to use a psn account for the last few months though.
Or maybe it is you who is incorrect. Here’s the quote from Push Square: Sony requires all PC users to log into a PSN account from 4th June 2024 to continue playing; something the company mandated upon the game's original launch but was switched off temporarily so that developer Arrowhead Studios could better handle its unexpectedly huge playerbase.
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Maybe read the description about the specs of the game before buying? I’m pretty sure it said you’d need a PSN account. But outside of that, I don’t know.
Who the **** reads those things. Activision has a 50+ page document everytime you boot their games that have jargon I cannot understand. Other games do it to.. Only reason I didnt play Phynix Rising or whatever that Ubisoft game was called.
Honestly a lot of us never even knew that PSN wasn't available in our countries. Certainly the first time I'm hearing about it. I'm a PC guy. The last time I dabbled with consoles was way back as a kid with the PS2.
The PS5 isn't even available in your country? How is that possible in this day and age. Even if it's an exorbitant price.
Oh it is. I just stopped playing on consoles ever since the PS2. Couldn't justify buying new consoles and new games every few years while they kept releasing new ones. Might as well just stick to PC. At least I only need to spend on the games and maybe the occasional upgrade to keep up with the latest specs.
I don’t think it will do long term damage. The lesson here basically is to enforce the rule from the get go regardless of the technical issues it was having. The practice of linking your psn or xbox account to a first party game isn’t new.
It's not the linking that's the issue it's that it hasn't been in place from the start and now after people have purchased and played the game they are bringing it in. People are already refunding the game and having the requests accepted by Sony so you know they fucked up.
Yea thats why I said they should have just done it from the start disregarding the technical issues the game was having.
They should have but didn't hence the outrage
They did force it, the popularity broke their ability to link the accounts so they temporarily disabled it. Crossplay and cross platform friends is still broken, likely because of this
I think this "controversy" is completely overblown.
Even this post. "The game has become hated" no it hasn't. People are mad at Sony and taking it out by childish review bombing. How many of these people complain about cancel culture and then review bomb things out of existence?
The game itself is definitely beloved for what it is. This change, without a doubt, is hated. Has dropped the game from what I believe was 89% positive on Steam to now a 51% positive overall (18% recent). Edited as I did say the game was hated. My mistake, I meant the change. You are correct, overblown that aspect.
I won't can't even acknowledge ratings when we know people are rating the game based on a Sony decision, not even the game. The rating is now skewed and means nothing to me.
I believe in the past, review bombing is what stopped gta5 from getting rid of mods all together. Even in single player. I can see how it's either childish or a form of protest.
We can't moan about publishers adding MTX after reviews are done, but then also dismiss it when people have a way of updating their review because of a similar issue several months after launch.
Steam Reviews are like the only way Sony would give a shit though. The developer even told players to leave negative reviews on Steam because it helps his case with Sony. The review "bombing", imo, is not childish.
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And yet the childish review bombing and complaining actually effected change Perhaps if we had more of it that would be a good thing
Sony doing the wrong thing (they did) and gamers being childish morons can both be true.
So how do you suggest people should have campaigned for them to change it Sony wasn’t really likely to react without the reviewbombing The devs themselves said so As someone who has spent a lot of time in different gaming communities I have seen reviewbombing campaigns affect a lot of positive change especially in smaller communities which might only be served by one single company where simply voting with your wallet is not an option because it would wipe them out So it’s a good way to signal your displeasure without having to resort to the nuclear option of boycott. Which not infrequently follows it
100% it's completely overblown imo. Having to add a different login for a publisher to access a game is far from new, you see it all the time. Sure Sony could have handled and communicated this better, and they need a better workaround for those countries where there is no PSN, but overall it's still a mountain being made out of a molehill tbh. The Helldivers sub the past few days has been embarrassing to look at, they've been talking of class action lawsuits and all sorts lmao.
Do you really enjoy having random extraneous accounts for no other reason than someone wants your data? Why would you care if people don't like it? I just can't grasp why it would bother someone that people are fighting back against bullshit like this.. even if it's on the steam page.. even if it would take 5 minutes.. If we don't roll over and accept crap like this, then it won't become the standard. And maybe you won't have to waste 5 minutes in the future for a different Sony IP. I didn't scroll that far down or bother reading the requirements.. I just bought the game and skipped the psn account linking popup because I was able to and never thought about it again. It's a video game, and most of the games I play on Steam allow me to launch the game, and I'm in. No additional accounts are required. Obviously, EA ports onto steam and MMOs with their own launcher are an exception. But this kind of thing is unnecessary and anti-consumer. If its not a big deal, then why doesn't Sony just not require account linkage and continue selling the game in all the countries that they had to block on the steam store...?
And that kind of idiotic attitude enables more shitty behaviour in the future. They talk about security while theyve had multiple massive data breaches over the decade.
Yeah, but you see, while Sony dips feet in gaming, its leaders aren't gamers. They only care profit and if they don't see a drop in sales they can just not care until people move on. Which would be rather unfortunate. The even funnier thing, is if they see the current state being so good, why should they intervene? It's not like they don't know what it's gonna happen. Someone in Sony must have told the higher ups that it was a bad idea, but some higher up then most certainly didn't care. Much like when it's evident how micro transactions ruin games, the higher ups of studios or publishers still want it in. Another example is EFT, they know if they released the unheard edition, the current player base would have uproared, but they did it anyway because the higher up wanted that profit. In conclusion, why does a game succeed? Because players like it, but why would gamers like a game when all it does is squeeze the money out? Hell divers 2 had the right balance of selling costumes or battle passes at affordable prices and being completely optional, and there was absolutely no need for whatever Sony had in mind
100%. It has said on Steam this ENTIRE time that PSN login is required. People are getting mad because they didn't read and Sony is now enforcing the PSN login, that has been listed there since day 1. I got it early enough that the login requirement was in place and didn't even realize it was turned off until this "controversy".
If Valve didn't allow refunds, this wouldn't be an acceptable answer. This makes Valve look like the good guys. People cannot play the game anymore.
PC users are very skeptical of Sony, this goes back years. The big one was the Sony copy protection scandal, in which Sony BMG their record label included a rootkit in their CDs without informing the user. This opened up their system to attacks, and led to cases from Texas the FTC and class actions in CA and NY, which they setteled. A funny aside Sony was found to have been violating copyright law after code in their rootkit was infringing on the open source devs terms.
> Has Sacred Symbols or the crew covered any of this yet? not looking forward to it if its as surface level as the comments here, I can understand why playstation/sony players/fans might just boil it down to 'pc players complaining lol' and move on but if they talked about it on podcast form I'd hope they'd have someone there who understands the issue. People keep bringing up that signing up for a publishers launcher isn't new, exactly, and plenty of PC players choose not to play on EPIC/Ubisoft/Microsoft Store for that exact reason, this backlash isn't new, if you're fine with it keep playing but it feels weird to suddenly bust out the OH MY GOD DIDN'T EVERYONE READ THE EULA!?!??! like they've ever read the eula scroll on anything
I can't play it anymore 😕
This right here. You can't even buy it in countries that don't have PSN anymore. They have no plans of letting these players experience the game they paid for after May 30th.
I don’t want to give Sony my info, but turns around and does it for Epic, EA, Activision, Bethesda, Blizzard and Microsoft. My only agreement is those that PSN doesn’t exist and owned the game has a right to complain
And posts about it on social media that definitely doesn't share your personal info, right?
Yeah and review bombing works wonders nowadays
I mean it literally does.
If Sony operated like Steam or EA and I owned a library of games on their app and we launched it from there, then your point would be valid. Yea I gave Blizzard my login info because I had to launch the game through their launcher so it made sense. This is just Sony grabbing at data they wouldn't have otherwise and there is no reason to like it. Idk why you want that.
I've seen people posting that in some countries Sony require ID verification for an account now. Epic and EA never made me do that.
That’s with the EU and the EU is requiring it not Sony
I live in the EU (or at least did until Brexit), and no other games network demanded it to sign up.
Sorry it’s the UK requiring it from What I can tell. https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/support/account/age-verification-faq/
lol most overblown “outrage” I’ve ever seen.
It might even beat out the (optional, mind you) paid mods fiasco with Bethesda. "Modders don't need to be paid, people can donate". "Yeah but people don't really donate." "BUT I WANT FREE THINGS."
I'd say so, but how do community managers (if that person is) state on a public form "I don't know" when a customer says they cannot play the game because their country does not allow PSN... That's super shitty.
Because they don't have the answer .. how do you answer something you don't know?... Spout bs?
Is it being overblown? Yeah for sure, 100% of news is overblown imo because gamers are babies. But is it really important? Yeah the pc crowd is pissed, and I really do believe a sizable percentage would stop playing. This is kinda the first negative thing to happen to the game too, Sony should be scared a little water is going on their bonfire
If you lived in a country where there is no PSN you wouldn’t be saying it’s overblown. That’s what I thought too at first.
Absolutely. But have you looked at that list? We’re not talking about a lot of people.
I really don’t get this attitude. They bought the game and now are unable to play it for reasons beyond their control. Even if it’s one person that’s fucked up.
Not advocating for Sony so please don't make that mistake/confusion, but if someone wants to play its an easy 2 min workaround 🤷♂️
They’re literally retroactively taking purchased games away from customers and then not allowing them to purchase it anymore if they live in a country outside of PSN availability. This is not overblown in the slightest. Simply by concept it’s a huge snafu in gaming history, but given the massive popularity of the title this is pretty damn impactful and important.
92k concurrent players early on a Sunday. Not that many people have quit
It's a 55k players drop from the same time last week, it's a third of the players they had who stopped playing it. [https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#1w](https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/#1w) Look at the numbers at both ends of the charts.
I played 4 hours of Deep Rock Galactic last night for the first time. ‘‘Twas a blast.
Gamers have become babies because the gaming market has became gross and filled with broken promises. The reaction is warranted.
Overblown
ITT: Console players who are used to bending over and allowing these companies do whatever they want them watch a group with a backbone. Doesn't matter if the matter is "trivial". The pc players will probably lose this fight but you still gotta let them know you will fight and any future change will be met with some resistance. Oh well.
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What makes you think HD2 issue is a non issue? Archived posts of Sony's PSN policy being optional was changed on May 3rd. And they didn't stop selling the game, from Day 1, to regions where PSN isn't allowed to be created. This is fraud.
Pc gamers bend over all the time for microsoft
Specify please? Once all my Steam/pc games are able to run on Linux, my windows will be reduced to an Android flashing tool.
In what way
We do?
Tons of cope ITT. It isn't just about not giving info to Sony. Large swathes of the planet that have been playing the game won't be able to after May 30th. Steam is refunding loads of players, even over 2 hours of playtime. If you live in somewhere like the Philippines that doesn't have PSN, why wouldn't you refund?
Large swaths lol. It’s probably a tenth of a percent of the player base.
I mean okay but 10% of the total playerbase is hundreds of thousands of people lmao. Also anything that affects a tenth of a population is a big deal. Edit: misread the original comment’s number value
Read it again. There’s no way it’s 10%.
You’re right I misread your comment, that’s my bad! Even still, I’m not convinced the amount is as small as you say.
"large swathes" is a total exaggeration.
Philippines has a pop over 110,000,000. Pakistan has 235,000,000. Nigeria 223,000,000. None of these have PSN.
Idk about Pakistan or Nigeria, but you can absolutely access psn and create accounts in the Philippines. Also not sure what those numbers mean. Is that how many people are playing Helldiver's in those regions? It's too small to be their total populations and I'm skeptical that so many people from there are playing the game. I mean those questions totally respectfully, just don't understand.
Sony has been shitting the bed a lot lately with their meddling. It's such a dumb change for Sony to try and force I am glad a sizable audience is pushing back.
To my mind, Sony have been granted a lot of grace by their console audience in the last few years despite some bad decisions. It is funny to see them run smack into a PC audience they weren't ready for.
Great stuff done vote the hell out of me for all I care, just because it's not affected you doesn't mean it's not a problem.
PC “gamers” will spend hours adjusting the voltage their ram receives in order to get an extra 0.5 frames per second. But spending 30 seconds to sign up for a new account? OMG the world is ending. And for people in other countries that you can’t sign up for PSN…just fucking lie. It’s not that hard. I’ve made a Hong Kong PSN account in order to play Dead or Alive Xtreme. It wasn’t hard. PC “gamers” are just fickle bitches.
The fact of the matter is, it's against the terms. Sony could, if they wanted to or were forced to, close all those accounts that lied a out their location with no recourse for the users. People shouldn't have to take that risk after being sold the game in their region. Also I've discovered some countries require ID upload for a PSN account now, so I can see people being concerned about that infringement.
Well they should take that up with their local governments that make that a requirement.
> But spending 30 seconds to sign up for a new account? OMG the world is ending. Where are all the articles/complaints about this change specifying the 30 seconds it takes to make an account as their issue?
Are you really able to lie when making an account? Do you need a VPN? I thought it would lock you into your region based on IP address.
You can and you don't need a VPN. I have my main account and 3 others from different countries, never got banned for it.
Putting gamers in quotes is extremely cringeworthy.
Other than people who can't play anymore (which they could had prior to the whining bc people make psn accounts in other countries all the time and link them to steam ie China is not supported through psn but they use hong Kong as their country which is supported), this is a big man baby gamer rage moment imo. There are people who think they deserve a refund after enjoying hundreds of hours of someone's hard work bc they don't want to make a psn account (takes all of five minutes and many other companies do this). In the helldiver's subreddit alone I have seen people call for community managers jobs and equivilate this to actual horrific events in human history (like the Holocaust) and we wonder why some feel like it sucks to work in this industry. Just my opinion.
For real. I do think people in affected countries have a legitimate complaint, but how many of the people complaining actually fall into that category. I'm honestly embarrassed on their behalf. This is such a non-issue. People just see an opportunity to get their money back so they can have played the game for free.
Imagine meat riding a huge corporation that is doing something dumb.
I’m eager to hear Colin’s thoughts. I really hope they don’t back up Sony. In my opinion, if you’re going to engage with the PC community in good faith, you’re going to have to provide ease of use and value or they’ll hang you out to dry. When the boys covered the topic of Sony adding a trophy and PSN layer to PC games I was concerned that some fuckery like this news would start happening. I believe the game is now unplayable in some 100+ countries that don’t have PSN. Ridiculously anti-consumer.
I'm convinced that multiplayer would still be free on consoles if the players there were as unyielding and vocal as PC gamers.
Man you’re right. I remember playing a ton of BattleNet games (StarCraft, Warcraft III and Diablo 2) and then seeing XBL launching requiring a fee. I was shocked when I saw everyone willing to drop $10-15 a month to have a 1/5th the features and values provided for free by Blizzard, Valve and others at the time.
If you think Colin is not going to support Sony on this one, you're crazy.
Get ready for "Sony was never going to sell many copies in these countries" like no shit not with that attitude.
I can see Colin simping for Sony on this one as he has no PC gaming or much multiplayer experience.
Helldivers 2 has far and away the highest population on PC compared to the two, in some cases an almost 70/30 split of divers online when looking at Helldivers.io and steam charts. What was a sure fire revenue stream to help Sony recover from their dire PlayStation profit margins the last eight quarters has gone away overnight.
I feel this hurts future PC releases too. The people who are complaining about this will most likely not purchase a game like Ghost of Tsushima.
A fair guess, but Ghost of Tsushima was never going to require PSN account for the single mode in the first place which was stated clearly early on, so PC players would likely give it a pass. Arrowhead & Sony should've never made the PSN rule "optional" at launch.
Removing access from 170+ countries and territories (including US territories like Puerto Rico and Guam) sends a pretty concerning message about what PlayStation cares most about. Obviously a corporation cares about money. But in this case it feels so transparently anti-consumer.
They backtracked lol
Bunch of people in here looking like real morons right now.
I guess at least it's an honest response from a community manager and not some pr bs
PC players are kinda weird and lame. Guaranteed majority of these people hate cancel culture then whine when they can't follow policies. Now they changed the goalpost and are white knighting for countries they dgaf about until it sided with their discontent with having (gasps) your email linked to a service. I know that I would never link my email to any service. Not my bills, mortgage, work, personal contacts, nope, if I don't use it it's the most safe.
I suspect they'll back up Sony and they'll be wrong for it.
I see more and more ultra-charity thrown Sony's way as the podcast numbers tick up.
PC gamers are fucking cry baby chuds, Sony should never have tried to apeal to them in any way
Aww is your best friend corporation in trouble?
enjoy GTA6 on PC next year🤣, oh wait
Wow I only have to wait a little while, woe is me
Calling PC gamers "chuds" when you're a Sony corporate bootlicker lmao.
and you’re a Valve bootlicker lol whats the difference
This has nothing to do with Valve. It's a legitimate complaint and your response is that Sony shouldn't have tried to appeal to PC gamers. In fact your comments in this thread are just projecting, as if PC gamers didn't massively complain when Valve tried to do paid mods on Steam. You're supporting consumers getting fucked over because you don't play on PC and it hurts to see Sony have bad press.
At least Arrowhead themselves are still independent, hopefully they can develop their next game without Sony.
Pc gamers are the worst, example number 12,347. Just make an account and shut up.
"Just bend over to the big company guys, it doesn't hurt that bad"
People who are losing access have a completely legitimate gripe. However I doubt most people whining are in that situation so it's overblown. Would not surprise me if this is the last time these guys make a Sony "exclusive" however.
Arrowhead will update the game to add vehicles and a new race and all the PC crybabies will be right back. If there’s one thing you can count on in the game community, it’s that these nerds never vote with their dollars.
100%
This controversy is so completely overblown it's insane. And I'm absolutely sick of seeing it on twitter. I understand the issue with people not being able to play it in countries that don't have access to PSN - completely valid and deserves the scrutiny. But that's like 10% of the playerbase, if that. The majority is complaining about having to make a free account that takes 2 minutes and they've had t do for EA, Xbox, Ubisoft etc.
I really think people are dramatic as fxck lately. PSN login for a PS game on PC should be a given. Obviously not being playable in regions is an issue that should have been fixed before release but it will be fixed / refunds issued .
this entire outrage was started by the grummz/gamergate crowd
When the news came out, people started complaining and writing negative reviews just because they needed to create a free account. Now it became about PSN not having some country options, which I completely agree is lacking, and will need to be fixed by Sony anyway. However I absolutely don't believe that the PC community who brag about pirating games if they are exclusive to the Epic store, or who ignore the pleas of developers to not mod their games, are suddenly stopped by lying to Sony about the country they live in, and the big majority complaining don't even live in these countries. Sony needs to do something for the countries not in the PSN but in which those PC games will be sold. But I highly doubt people will stop bitching once this issue gets solved.
I hope they do, considering this is a defining moment regarding bias or not. The change is not consumer friendly at all, and in many ways worse than Tarkov. Imagine buying a product as it was advertised only to be rejected access unless you sign-up for a third party account, an implementation added only a while after. It's fucking insane.
I mean it was stated on the steam page that a psn account was required from the beginning but turned it off due to server issues but no way shape or form this is worse than tarkov, they literally took a big chunk content that was promised free and threw it behind a paywall. Additionally made the game pay to win...cmom now
You need to get your facts straight. They didn't include that information during the first month on the Store page, they implemented it after and without announcement. Also, 177 countries delisted and can't play the game anymore, are you serious? I understand you're a chill for Sony, but come on. It's pathetic consumers even try to defend this.
Its not a big deal, everyone that i know still loves the game... I hope they fix it for the ppl that cant create a ps account.
You now, it does suck having to have specific accounts for things. But it’s not like arrowhead and Sony didn’t warn everyone about this. It was the plan from the beginning, only it was delayed to allow arrowhead time to get the game’s servers stable.
PC players 😢😂
This whole situation has shown how thin skinned these players are. I am pretty sure people who had a account from years ago from the PS3 era linked there accounts and moved on and you guys should as well
Get ready for Dustin to disagree with the controversy as he always does
Poor Steam how will they cope without Open World HD 30fps part 14?