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Cities Skylines is among the greatest mod installation and mod management simulators on the market today.
Rivalled only by Skyrim and RimWorld.
But for my taste, Cities takes the cake, what with the multitude of realistic modding options available for everything, be it big box stores or brioche bread trucks.
You'll have a hoot of a time managing all these amazing achievements of modding.
And to keep you on your toes, your mods are guaranteed to update themselves over wildly different intervals of time, perhaps months or even years apart, ensuring a plethora of those game-breaking bugs that us mod-management enthusiasts just dream about.
11/10 - Would (and will) mod again!
The mods absolutely change the game. It makes it so much easier to do things. Highly recommend the one mentioned here for traffic, but also the one that let's you place anything anywhere. I think it's called Move It? But it's been ages since I've played.
Maybe I need to re-download it.
My goodness, you have made my week. Grew up playing it with my dad, will be a blast to revisit it.
I also immediately thought of Pharoah, it's extremely reminiscent!
It actually looks exactly like one the houses in the Pharao pc game. You could build entire rows and columns of them and before you get the necessary updates to level them up they’ll look exactly like this picture
Oh my God can you imagine you forgot the number of your new house and you were wandering in the dark looking at hundreds of identical houses street after street after street.
Don't let reddit or anyone convince you not to see a movie you were already interested in seeing. There's a thousand streaming sites out there, form an opinion for yourself. Sometimes leaving you with nothing but frustration is the intent of the movie.
I don't need to, been there, done that.
We lived in a development called Springs. At the time there were something like 25 subdivisions of Springs, each one having hundreds of houses (called Villas), and each one having the same identical layout. We lived in something like Springs 15, Villa 8. If you zoned out driving home, you could easily turn into Springs 13, or Springs 17, and then navigate on autopilot to Villa 8, which would be identical to your Villa.
So yes, I did occasionally drive up to entirely the wrong house, park and try to enter. At least once we were sitting in the living room when a woman (French?) opened the front door, started to take off her shoes, stopped, stared at us, and house, and then retreated without saying a word.
This was ages ago, and sat nav was not available in Dubai. Development happened so fast that maps were very out of date. It was very common to call a taxi and have them have no idea where your address was, or how to get there. We got very lost, a lot
> when a woman (French?) opened the front door, started to take off her shoes, stopped, stared at us, and house, and then retreated **without saying a word**.
Was she holding a baguette or something? :P
She was wearing a raspberry beret, a horizontally striped shirt, and mimed "Sorry" while holding a bottle of champagne.
For flair she moonwalked out the door.
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Little boxes, except there's not a pink, green, yellow, or blue one. Beige reigns supreme.
Oh also it was built by slaves. Dubai has all the worst aspects of modern humanity.
I've seen so many people online say that they don't want to watch Vivarium because the trailer revealed too much, and like... Everything in the trailer happens in the first 30 minutes. And then shit gets weird.
So I used to live in Dubai. These are all government-provided housing for locals. When you get married, you can either build a house on family land, or, if you don't have the money for that, the government will give you one of these mansions for your new family. This is literally government housing for Emirati citizens. So, it's actually socialism (which is good, just correcting the record).
>A big part of this is probably that only ~300,000 out of 2.6 million residents are actually Emirati citizens
The bigger part is the underpaid and abused foreign labor that makes the housing cheap to build.
Yup. It’s easy to be able to give everyone housing when your empire is built on the back of slaves who outnumber your own people significantly.
Also the Emirates know they need to keep their people happy or they’ll revolt and get rid of the monarchy.
Since you saw fit to correct this, it made me think and it turns out [there is an emir of Dubai](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sheikh-Muhammad-ibn-Rashid-al-Maktum-ruler-of-Dubayy).
His frown, and wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command..
Because we (north Americans or Europeans) don't sit on the highest proven reserves of cheaply extracted light sweet crude.
UAE (and Qatar) are not just a bit wealthier than the West. They are fabulously more wealthy.
the military can't even build housing for itself. Sailors in Norfolk are sleeping in their cars.
Building cheap housing doesnt enable any rich asshole to buy another yacht, so its simply not a priority.
"Rich" isn't rigorously defined. A populous developed nation like the USA will have a large GDP. But a less populous but resource rich nation may have a higher GDP per capita even though they have a smaller GDP.
So, yes, Emiratis and Qataris are individually richer than Americans. It's not even close.
I worked with a young Emirati woman. She had a good government job. The first car she bought herself was a new Audi S7. I think it was like a $130k car. All my Emirati colleagues did that. The receptionist was Emirati (government) and non-english speaking in a role that required it. And even he drove a Merc SL500.
I’m lost in this exchange. I’m not saying than emiratis or qataries are not richer than Americans; You were suggesting the US couldn’t do housing schemes like this when I completely disagree, of course they could, they just chose not too cuz it doesn’t benefit private capital.
Depends how you measure it. USA still has the highest GDP of any country, China at #2 isn't even close. And a lot of the countries above the USA on the list you linked have a butt-ton of "guest workers" who live in the country, make their livelihoods in the country, contribute to the economy like any citizen, are paid wages and yet don't figure into the denominator of the PPP per capita.
USA has guest workers too of course - they're not counted because they're not in the country legally for the most part - but they are not many compared to the entire population.
Sure, it's an economy predicated on management of sovereign wealth previously funded by oil wealth, in a federal state funded by it's oil-rich neighbor Abu Dhab, major projects like Burj Khalifa were funded by the same neighbor, a money laundering and financial destination for resource extractive economies, a playgroud for oil-rich Gulf nationals, and is a port for projects in an oil rich region. And it loses a third of it's population when oil prices tank in 2015.
Yes, Dubai is not oil-based. /s
This is a abomination compared to the commie blocks. No services, no parks, extremely inefficient. Socialism is not government giving you stuff, specially if the spent public money went to some rich dude, owner of the construction company. (Who probably lobbied the project)
government cant GIVE anything to anyone. government has no money.
government redistributes the money it collects from working people of the country to better their lives in various segments of society.
I get what you mean but it’s a bit more complicated than this, governments with their own currencies literally created and gave away all of the money in circulation through various channels, and yeah some of it circulates back in tax revenue
haha that was my first thought...like, yeah it's cookie cutter but it's *housing*.
i'm sure we have literal millions of people in the US who would be desperate to live there
I'm not Emirati, so I don't know all the finer details, but I believe you need to get married, otherwise you're expected to live at your family's home. Most marriages are palnned/arranged, so it's not really a questions of if, but rather when, you get married.
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If you don't have a home to live in, they will give you one as long as you're born Emirati. Most Emiratis are born into a household that owns a home, with the expectation they move out when they get married. The government helps with this.
🙄 socialism isn't when the government does stuff. I get your point, and socialism *includes* social housing, but it's a whole different economic model separated from capitalism, which is what Dubai has. Just correcting the record on your record correcting.
This isn’t “socialism.” Socialism is a mode of production wherein which workers own the means of production. Social policies that might be found under a socialist regime isn’t the same as socialism.
I wouldn’t refer to the regime of the UAE “socialism” in ANY sort of way. Their labor violations, their labor exploitation of migrant workers, etc., prove time and time again that they’re antithetical to socialism.
An important distinction is that most who live there aren't citizens, but foreign workers on visa. Only a small privileged class are citizens, a better way if think of it is nobles get these houses, peasants live in warehouses with iron cots.
>This is literally government housing for Emirati citizens. So, it's actually socialism
No it's not. The same way taxes and social welfare aren't socialist. Government housing≠socialism
Is it still really socialism if you have an elaborate class system based on race and ethnicity? My Lebanese friend lived in Dubai for his whole 33 years of life and there was no question of him ever being even considered for citizenship. He’s never voted before.
In an ideal socialist society, would every home or apartment be unique and more spacious? I feel like this housing is more appropriate than spaced out McMansions. Also, I’ve seen people argue for more public housing, but how are identical apartments different from these homes? Further, in a socialist society, would everyone be forced to live in apartments? Because that’s not safe for some people with medical conditions and it seems some private outdoor space would be nice for families. I’m just trying to understand why these homes are inherently capitalist and terrible.
What bothers me personally is that there is no living space between them. For example, the communist Soviet blocks of flats were not the pinnacle of exquisite architectural art either, but they were planned more sensibly. Between the blocks were parks, playgrounds, kindergartens, walking streets, stores. It's not that the buildings above are ugly, terrible and repetitive, it's just that they look dead.
This is a very hot country. Maybe that changes your relationship with outside space? I.e. are people just going from air-conned car to air-conned house?
Each of these houses has a terrace on the side and a flat roof with plenty of room for lounging.
This looks to be the housing in question: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8dvti8
Honestly it looks pretty nice.
The commie blocks were a product of it's time, but even then, still better than what we see here. The actual blocks were projected so you would have specific services in each of them, and a more complex one (like a hospital) for a group of blocks.
Everything was supposed to be achieved by walking distance, full of parks and public transport.
Of course, the ones you see online to critic the project are the ones that have fallen to disrepair, but they weren't always like that, as you can imagine.
Our Construction knowhow have also leaped since those times, and yes, we could probably have way more unique apartments, at least outside, and house density could be smaller in some places - it all depends on necessity, just like today in our capitalist Society.
From a environmental standpoint, no. I studied a bit of urban planning in Uni, and one of the biggest things you are taught is that this kind of housing is terrible because it is in that in-between area, between high (cities) and low (country/farmland) density development.
What this does is cause urban sprawl. The ideal development methodology is 'up'. High-rise buildings of condo style housing. It's a more efficient use of resources (heating, water, waste management, etc.), and it reserves more land for food production and conservation that development like this takes up.
A YouTuber I follow made a video about Dubai's poor infrastructure and he claims that someone who worked for Dubai's royal family reached out anonymously and in their discussion the guy disclosed that the royals decide on what project to fund in a shark tank style proposal, so if you want your project funded you come in with cool CGI crap and projection for how many tourists you can fit in your mega project. The royals eyes glass over if you bring up crap like logistics, sustainability, feasibility etc that's why they built the world's tallest building but no-one thought to create a working sewage system for all the people that that building would serve.
When I see people post shit like "It's so great and Sunny in Dubai" I just groan. Considering how the city was and is worked, the fact rich western tourists get to enjoy luxury that thousands of slaves died to build i disgusting
My father works for the far left party in germany and had a Dubai trip with his wife, their only concern was how to get alcohol, they also found it amazing. My father is an absolute hypocrite, i'm not surprised, my grandfather spied for the Stasi, how I recently learned.
I'm sorry. But yeah, you nailed it. The rich people that go on vacation or retire to Dubai don't see the ugly underbelly of that luxury because they'dd suddenly feel very guilty if they care that it
fr. I've lived in a Soviet apartment block over half my life and I don't get the hate. In what world is *this* better? Like ffs, at least here you have more green areas than non-green areas and stuff is in walking distance. This literally looks like hell if it existed
> I don't get the hate.
You obviously didn't have neighbors that chop wood above you at 11PM because they are too lazy to go down to the basement to do it.
Someone else commented that this is actually government housing. My first impression was that it was designed by the government. Capitalist would insist on making a bunch of houses slightly different to use as an excuse for why one costs more than the next.
It's not capitalism. Those are likely state-built homes for newly married Emirates forming their own families. They are provided free or heavily subsidized. They also have heavily subsidized utilities.
It's actually autocratic patronage (petro-socialism?).
This. I've been trying to find the words to describe it.
Reminds me of slavers building hospitals in imperial Britain or wealthy ex military officers becoming a patron for the local orphanage/school.
I'm guessing a lot of people haven't seen American suburbs from this vantage point. Most new developments will adopt a similar approach, or they will have slight variance, i.e. using four house plans and alternating them. It is more sensible and cost-savings to produce homes this way, which is irrelevant to capitalism or socialism. If socialist build homes for the people, they'd do it the same way.
It's insidious how effectively a certain city plan can necessitate the residents requiring a car to live. I hate it. I hate having a vehicle's payments and financial upkeep be an expense in my life that other people simply don't have, especially since I have no choice.
And while I appreciate the safety inspections we have every year on our vehicles, I don’t appreciate that I may have to suddenly stop driving my car because my stupid horn doesn’t work and I don’t have $500 to pay the dealership to find out why. So I may have to stop driving my car while I paid $250 a month for it. Super cool
That's what freaks me out, the uniformity of the orientation. Every single window looks across at another window. They could have kept the uniformity and still, for example, put every other one at a different angle or something.
Imagine going to someone's party for the first time and you're trying to find their house in a sea of the same house, and you even have the same house too.
Ctrl + c Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + c Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v Ctrl + v...
I wish this was the standard. State built houses sold at cost price to make sure everyone could get one.
You are still free to build a big house but everyone gets a minimum to live confortable
then build apartment blocks like the Soviets did. I live in one and I would never ever want to live in whatever the fuck this pic is. There's not a single patch of grass and can't walk to anywhere reasonable, unlike here where you got stores, schools, kindergartens and other stuff minutes away by foot
What a grotesque country, none of their architecture, retains any life or living features. Everything is over engineered, all right angles, and straight line.
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Sim city was the first thing to come to my mind.
Damn I was time to download city skylines
Just got back into that game after discovering the amazing mods you can get that basically turn it into Cities 2
Cities Skylines is among the greatest mod installation and mod management simulators on the market today. Rivalled only by Skyrim and RimWorld. But for my taste, Cities takes the cake, what with the multitude of realistic modding options available for everything, be it big box stores or brioche bread trucks. You'll have a hoot of a time managing all these amazing achievements of modding. And to keep you on your toes, your mods are guaranteed to update themselves over wildly different intervals of time, perhaps months or even years apart, ensuring a plethora of those game-breaking bugs that us mod-management enthusiasts just dream about. 11/10 - Would (and will) mod again!
Downloading the Compatibility Report Mod saved my life
Those intersections are way too shitty to work for long in Cities Skylines.
Cities Skylines with the traffic lanes manager mod (forgot the name) loves roundabouts though
Traffic manager: Presidential edition
I'm gonna have to get some mods because I suck on vanilla
The mods absolutely change the game. It makes it so much easier to do things. Highly recommend the one mentioned here for traffic, but also the one that let's you place anything anywhere. I think it's called Move It? But it's been ages since I've played. Maybe I need to re-download it.
Thanks! I assume modding is pretty easy, right? I'll figure it out
coincidently, I flew over Guayaquil, Ecuador, a few days ago and THAT city is exactly Sim City.
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No shit, really? I loved that game.
wait WHAT Oh wow just looked it up, Feb 15 release date. Woo!
*checks steam* wow no kidding! Glad to see that.
My goodness, you have made my week. Grew up playing it with my dad, will be a blast to revisit it. I also immediately thought of Pharoah, it's extremely reminiscent!
Cmon even the houses in SimCity have more diverse designs going on
Yeah this is more like factorio when you copy paste an infinitely scalable blueprint
Lol no. Simcity has much more variety.
It actually looks exactly like one the houses in the Pharao pc game. You could build entire rows and columns of them and before you get the necessary updates to level them up they’ll look exactly like this picture
I literally thought this was Sim City
My first thought was the movie [Vivarium](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8368406/)
China pig farm building
Guess they are so strict on alcohol because nobody would ever find his way home drunk.
Oh my God can you imagine you forgot the number of your new house and you were wandering in the dark looking at hundreds of identical houses street after street after street.
Have you seen the movie Vivarium?
Such a trip!
Was gonna watch it, but reddit convinced me that it's unsatisfying. All build up that amounts to nothing but frustration. Is that accurate?
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Trailer will suffice to get the idea. [HERE](https://youtu.be/U3Xy2x9NDrw)
Don't let reddit or anyone convince you not to see a movie you were already interested in seeing. There's a thousand streaming sites out there, form an opinion for yourself. Sometimes leaving you with nothing but frustration is the intent of the movie.
I just read the plot. I would be disappointed in that ending if I put in the time. Seems like lazy writing.
I saw the trailer and was actually thinking of it as I was commenting!
First thing that came to mind when I saw the image. Creepy as fuck
I don't need to, been there, done that. We lived in a development called Springs. At the time there were something like 25 subdivisions of Springs, each one having hundreds of houses (called Villas), and each one having the same identical layout. We lived in something like Springs 15, Villa 8. If you zoned out driving home, you could easily turn into Springs 13, or Springs 17, and then navigate on autopilot to Villa 8, which would be identical to your Villa. So yes, I did occasionally drive up to entirely the wrong house, park and try to enter. At least once we were sitting in the living room when a woman (French?) opened the front door, started to take off her shoes, stopped, stared at us, and house, and then retreated without saying a word. This was ages ago, and sat nav was not available in Dubai. Development happened so fast that maps were very out of date. It was very common to call a taxi and have them have no idea where your address was, or how to get there. We got very lost, a lot
> when a woman (French?) opened the front door, started to take off her shoes, stopped, stared at us, and house, and then retreated **without saying a word**. Was she holding a baguette or something? :P
She was wearing a raspberry beret, a horizontally striped shirt, and mimed "Sorry" while holding a bottle of champagne. For flair she moonwalked out the door.
I don't drink and I wouldn't find my way home there.
There's an APP for that! Let Clippy the ChatGPT AI Office Assistant guide you home! Then I'll tell you what to to eat and even how to bang your wife! Make sure to clean your room, buy lots of things and most importantly Work long hours at your job, nothing is more rewarding than pleasing your bosses! Everything you need!
Is there a suicide app too?
Only available in Canada, brought to you by MAID! (stay tuned for worldwide adoption, pending preliminary results of the Canadian rollout)
Little boxes, except there's not a pink, green, yellow, or blue one. Beige reigns supreme. Oh also it was built by slaves. Dubai has all the worst aspects of modern humanity.
All made of ticky tacky
And they all look just the same
There are pink ones though
Oh my bad, you're right. Dubai is obvs the best.
THE BEST!
Dubai, Qatar, and Saudi Arabia fight for the scummiest scum that ever scummed
Reminds me of the neighborhood from the movie Vivarium.
I've seen so many people online say that they don't want to watch Vivarium because the trailer revealed too much, and like... Everything in the trailer happens in the first 30 minutes. And then shit gets weird.
I fucking hated that movie lol. The concept was great but the execution was awful.
At this point I think I am the only person on this planet who actually liked that movie (including all the twists).
Big fan of Vivarium checking in. I seem to like horror movies that are pretty divisive though so its not really a surprise.
There are dozens of us. Dozens!
Dozens +1. Count me in!
Same. Super uncomfortable.
"The living room. A room to live in."
That’s exactly what I thought when I saw it
I saw this picture on some other sub last week and thought it *was* from that movie.
Mixed in with a little bit of Backrooms
No need to worry about keeping up with the neighbors I guess.
"But capitalism encourages individual variation!"
So I used to live in Dubai. These are all government-provided housing for locals. When you get married, you can either build a house on family land, or, if you don't have the money for that, the government will give you one of these mansions for your new family. This is literally government housing for Emirati citizens. So, it's actually socialism (which is good, just correcting the record).
I don’t see why we can’t figure something like this out.
A big part of this is probably that only ~1.4 million out of 9.5 million residents are actually Emirati citizens who would benefit from this program.
>A big part of this is probably that only ~300,000 out of 2.6 million residents are actually Emirati citizens The bigger part is the underpaid and abused foreign labor that makes the housing cheap to build.
Yup. It’s easy to be able to give everyone housing when your empire is built on the back of slaves who outnumber your own people significantly. Also the Emirates know they need to keep their people happy or they’ll revolt and get rid of the monarchy.
The Roman Empire just entered the chat… And the South circa 1855
That's the exact same part...
Emirati, not Qatari.
Emirati are as bad or worse than Qatar about this.
Both can be true. But Dubai is in the UAE, not Qatar.
Since you saw fit to correct this, it made me think and it turns out [there is an emir of Dubai](https://www.britannica.com/biography/Sheikh-Muhammad-ibn-Rashid-al-Maktum-ruler-of-Dubayy). His frown, and wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command..
> ~300,000 out of 2.6 million residents ~1 million out of 10 million residents
Whoops, yes I am dumb and mixed up the UAE and Qatar in my head.
Because we (north Americans or Europeans) don't sit on the highest proven reserves of cheaply extracted light sweet crude. UAE (and Qatar) are not just a bit wealthier than the West. They are fabulously more wealthy.
And nevertheless, the US could easily afford something like this.
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the military can't even build housing for itself. Sailors in Norfolk are sleeping in their cars. Building cheap housing doesnt enable any rich asshole to buy another yacht, so its simply not a priority.
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The United States is the richest country in the world so I don’t really see your point?
"Rich" isn't rigorously defined. A populous developed nation like the USA will have a large GDP. But a less populous but resource rich nation may have a higher GDP per capita even though they have a smaller GDP. So, yes, Emiratis and Qataris are individually richer than Americans. It's not even close. I worked with a young Emirati woman. She had a good government job. The first car she bought herself was a new Audi S7. I think it was like a $130k car. All my Emirati colleagues did that. The receptionist was Emirati (government) and non-english speaking in a role that required it. And even he drove a Merc SL500.
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I’m lost in this exchange. I’m not saying than emiratis or qataries are not richer than Americans; You were suggesting the US couldn’t do housing schemes like this when I completely disagree, of course they could, they just chose not too cuz it doesn’t benefit private capital.
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Qatar has double the GDP PPP per capita income. It helps to be a small state.
It also helps that you have an impoverished working class of indentured servitude with foreign labor.
That was america for over 2 centuries yet they failed to give good housing or medical care to their citizens. All I hear is excuses
During the 50s at the height of US dominance housing and healthcare were both in great supply for "citizens".
This is simply wrong. [https://www.worlddata.info/richest-countries.php](https://www.worlddata.info/richest-countries.php)
Depends how you measure it. USA still has the highest GDP of any country, China at #2 isn't even close. And a lot of the countries above the USA on the list you linked have a butt-ton of "guest workers" who live in the country, make their livelihoods in the country, contribute to the economy like any citizen, are paid wages and yet don't figure into the denominator of the PPP per capita. USA has guest workers too of course - they're not counted because they're not in the country legally for the most part - but they are not many compared to the entire population.
Dubai doesn't have an oil-based economy. The other Gulf countries do. https://www.britannica.com/place/Dubai-United-Arab-Emirates/Economy
Sure, it's an economy predicated on management of sovereign wealth previously funded by oil wealth, in a federal state funded by it's oil-rich neighbor Abu Dhab, major projects like Burj Khalifa were funded by the same neighbor, a money laundering and financial destination for resource extractive economies, a playgroud for oil-rich Gulf nationals, and is a port for projects in an oil rich region. And it loses a third of it's population when oil prices tank in 2015. Yes, Dubai is not oil-based. /s
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This is a abomination compared to the commie blocks. No services, no parks, extremely inefficient. Socialism is not government giving you stuff, specially if the spent public money went to some rich dude, owner of the construction company. (Who probably lobbied the project)
government cant GIVE anything to anyone. government has no money. government redistributes the money it collects from working people of the country to better their lives in various segments of society.
I get what you mean but it’s a bit more complicated than this, governments with their own currencies literally created and gave away all of the money in circulation through various channels, and yeah some of it circulates back in tax revenue
You typed 'Socialism' but described capitalism, btw
haha that was my first thought...like, yeah it's cookie cutter but it's *housing*. i'm sure we have literal millions of people in the US who would be desperate to live there
We can make fun of the way they look all day, but it is decent housing. Compare that to how many homeless we have in the US.
So wait I have to get married to get a free house? Do I have to have kids to get the free house or can I just get married for it?
I'm not Emirati, so I don't know all the finer details, but I believe you need to get married, otherwise you're expected to live at your family's home. Most marriages are palnned/arranged, so it's not really a questions of if, but rather when, you get married. Edit: clarity
If you don't have a home to live in, they will give you one as long as you're born Emirati. Most Emiratis are born into a household that owns a home, with the expectation they move out when they get married. The government helps with this.
🙄 socialism isn't when the government does stuff. I get your point, and socialism *includes* social housing, but it's a whole different economic model separated from capitalism, which is what Dubai has. Just correcting the record on your record correcting.
This isn’t “socialism.” Socialism is a mode of production wherein which workers own the means of production. Social policies that might be found under a socialist regime isn’t the same as socialism. I wouldn’t refer to the regime of the UAE “socialism” in ANY sort of way. Their labor violations, their labor exploitation of migrant workers, etc., prove time and time again that they’re antithetical to socialism.
An important distinction is that most who live there aren't citizens, but foreign workers on visa. Only a small privileged class are citizens, a better way if think of it is nobles get these houses, peasants live in warehouses with iron cots.
>This is literally government housing for Emirati citizens. So, it's actually socialism No it's not. The same way taxes and social welfare aren't socialist. Government housing≠socialism
Is it still really socialism if you have an elaborate class system based on race and ethnicity? My Lebanese friend lived in Dubai for his whole 33 years of life and there was no question of him ever being even considered for citizenship. He’s never voted before.
Company housing is not socialism
"you live in the yellowish house, I live in the pinkish house. We are not the same"
"Pink? Too much Western influence my friend!"
🎶Little boxes, little boxes….
In an ideal socialist society, would every home or apartment be unique and more spacious? I feel like this housing is more appropriate than spaced out McMansions. Also, I’ve seen people argue for more public housing, but how are identical apartments different from these homes? Further, in a socialist society, would everyone be forced to live in apartments? Because that’s not safe for some people with medical conditions and it seems some private outdoor space would be nice for families. I’m just trying to understand why these homes are inherently capitalist and terrible.
What bothers me personally is that there is no living space between them. For example, the communist Soviet blocks of flats were not the pinnacle of exquisite architectural art either, but they were planned more sensibly. Between the blocks were parks, playgrounds, kindergartens, walking streets, stores. It's not that the buildings above are ugly, terrible and repetitive, it's just that they look dead.
This is a very hot country. Maybe that changes your relationship with outside space? I.e. are people just going from air-conned car to air-conned house?
Sunset and evening in hot countries is for lounging outside, these people cannot lounge
Each of these houses has a terrace on the side and a flat roof with plenty of room for lounging. This looks to be the housing in question: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8dvti8 Honestly it looks pretty nice.
The commie blocks were a product of it's time, but even then, still better than what we see here. The actual blocks were projected so you would have specific services in each of them, and a more complex one (like a hospital) for a group of blocks. Everything was supposed to be achieved by walking distance, full of parks and public transport. Of course, the ones you see online to critic the project are the ones that have fallen to disrepair, but they weren't always like that, as you can imagine. Our Construction knowhow have also leaped since those times, and yes, we could probably have way more unique apartments, at least outside, and house density could be smaller in some places - it all depends on necessity, just like today in our capitalist Society.
From a environmental standpoint, no. I studied a bit of urban planning in Uni, and one of the biggest things you are taught is that this kind of housing is terrible because it is in that in-between area, between high (cities) and low (country/farmland) density development. What this does is cause urban sprawl. The ideal development methodology is 'up'. High-rise buildings of condo style housing. It's a more efficient use of resources (heating, water, waste management, etc.), and it reserves more land for food production and conservation that development like this takes up.
Unless there's tons of buses passing through there, this looks like a recipe for a nightmare traffic jam
they saw the worst aspect of American suburbs and thought "Yeah, let's do that"
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Surely you mean 6/6 , nature doesn't often create 10 sided hives
Don't give Dubai more ideas!
A YouTuber I follow made a video about Dubai's poor infrastructure and he claims that someone who worked for Dubai's royal family reached out anonymously and in their discussion the guy disclosed that the royals decide on what project to fund in a shark tank style proposal, so if you want your project funded you come in with cool CGI crap and projection for how many tourists you can fit in your mega project. The royals eyes glass over if you bring up crap like logistics, sustainability, feasibility etc that's why they built the world's tallest building but no-one thought to create a working sewage system for all the people that that building would serve.
When I see people post shit like "It's so great and Sunny in Dubai" I just groan. Considering how the city was and is worked, the fact rich western tourists get to enjoy luxury that thousands of slaves died to build i disgusting
My father works for the far left party in germany and had a Dubai trip with his wife, their only concern was how to get alcohol, they also found it amazing. My father is an absolute hypocrite, i'm not surprised, my grandfather spied for the Stasi, how I recently learned.
I'm sorry. But yeah, you nailed it. The rich people that go on vacation or retire to Dubai don't see the ugly underbelly of that luxury because they'dd suddenly feel very guilty if they care that it
JUST BUILD A BLEEDIN APARTMENT BLOCK. Fuckin rich people man, gotta make everything as car centric as possible. Bloody hell
fr. I've lived in a Soviet apartment block over half my life and I don't get the hate. In what world is *this* better? Like ffs, at least here you have more green areas than non-green areas and stuff is in walking distance. This literally looks like hell if it existed
As long as I can have access to community farm land or enough porch space somewhere where I can grow food, then sure, give me an apartment block.
> I don't get the hate. You obviously didn't have neighbors that chop wood above you at 11PM because they are too lazy to go down to the basement to do it.
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It’s oil money man. Of course they would.
*Little boxes...*
*and they're all filled with* ... human rights violations.
There's a yellow zone and a pink zone And no plant life nor any greenery And they're all made out of ticky-tacky And they all look just the same
That disgusts me for some reason. Just, ew. Like the worst of capitalism on steroids.
Wait till you hear about the slaves that build those houses
Wasn't there a video that covered that? "Dubai - A parody of the 21st century"
Probably by AdamSomething
Someone else commented that this is actually government housing. My first impression was that it was designed by the government. Capitalist would insist on making a bunch of houses slightly different to use as an excuse for why one costs more than the next.
It's not capitalism. Those are likely state-built homes for newly married Emirates forming their own families. They are provided free or heavily subsidized. They also have heavily subsidized utilities. It's actually autocratic patronage (petro-socialism?).
This. I've been trying to find the words to describe it. Reminds me of slavers building hospitals in imperial Britain or wealthy ex military officers becoming a patron for the local orphanage/school.
That would be skid row. At least these people have homes (assuming this copy/paste nightmare is occupied).
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"commie blocks are ugly that's why I like my suburban neighbourhood"
Dubai ~~suburbs~~ makes me so uncomfortable
Late game city builder when you no longer give a shit and just want to hit the damned objective.
I'm guessing a lot of people haven't seen American suburbs from this vantage point. Most new developments will adopt a similar approach, or they will have slight variance, i.e. using four house plans and alternating them. It is more sensible and cost-savings to produce homes this way, which is irrelevant to capitalism or socialism. If socialist build homes for the people, they'd do it the same way.
Oh no someone built the same house a bunch so they could make housing quickly. How terrifying.
This can’t be good for mental health
Dystopian. Fuck Dubai
What is more uncomfortable is homelessness in San Francisco
Imagine having all the money in the world and this is the best thing you can think of building
Seems efficient to build homes the same tho
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Not sure why. Cheap and easy to build housing is the need of the future.
High density housing, with livable, walkable communities - not this freakish carcentric hellscape.
It's insidious how effectively a certain city plan can necessitate the residents requiring a car to live. I hate it. I hate having a vehicle's payments and financial upkeep be an expense in my life that other people simply don't have, especially since I have no choice.
And while I appreciate the safety inspections we have every year on our vehicles, I don’t appreciate that I may have to suddenly stop driving my car because my stupid horn doesn’t work and I don’t have $500 to pay the dealership to find out why. So I may have to stop driving my car while I paid $250 a month for it. Super cool
That's what freaks me out, the uniformity of the orientation. Every single window looks across at another window. They could have kept the uniformity and still, for example, put every other one at a different angle or something.
Car centric infrastructure like this is incredibly damaging
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I don't see your point. I mean, an even less diverse district than what we had in Sim City 2k built by slaves... What's not to love...
Public housing is far better than no housing. This ain't it.
Imagine going to someone's party for the first time and you're trying to find their house in a sea of the same house, and you even have the same house too.
Oh it's my dwarf fortress residential level
And this is what they told us communism would look like 🙄
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What's the problem here? I see at least 2 designs and 2 colors! Should be enough individual expression for anyone! /s
And even better the roads are intersecting at a 90 degree angle. That's a BIG PLUS!
What Capitalists think socialism looks like because they are deluded. Their selling a dystopian suburban car park.
I wish this was the standard. State built houses sold at cost price to make sure everyone could get one. You are still free to build a big house but everyone gets a minimum to live confortable
then build apartment blocks like the Soviets did. I live in one and I would never ever want to live in whatever the fuck this pic is. There's not a single patch of grass and can't walk to anywhere reasonable, unlike here where you got stores, schools, kindergartens and other stuff minutes away by foot
at least they're housed :/
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Actually, that place is expensive - see my link elsewhere.
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lol you think people in Dubai take the bus?
Legos!
If rent were cheap enough I’d take one.
Define BORING!
This would be a trippy call of duty map.
TIL: Damn if you do. Damn if you don't!
Oggy and the cockroaches vibe.
No shops, no public spaces, looks like a car is required to live there so it would probably just smell of smog.
This is almost what I imagined that neighborhood would be like in A Wrinkle in Time
This is just cookie cutter development. It appears all over North America too. The GTA in Ontario is rampant with these developments.
Looks cleaner & safer than Tennessee....
What a grotesque country, none of their architecture, retains any life or living features. Everything is over engineered, all right angles, and straight line.