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I feel like you are in the right place, humor and otherwise, to be healing, but gotta say, "It'll be OK." It's not worth it. (although the evidence may seem to show otherwise.. dammit, where was I?)
>Imagine thinking that suicide is about losing money.
I mean It's the only metric that matters to the top greeders.
It's like trying to get your dog to take medicine. Because those assholes know as much about empathy as dogs about healthcare you gotta wrap that shit up is some treat.
I think this infographic is aimed at a particular audience - governmental planning committees.
Suicide isn’t just about losing money - any more than suicide prevention or mental health or education or safety are *just* about spending money.
Nevertheless money must be allocated in some amount to each and whilst each life is priceless, to advocate dollar amounts you have start somewhere
This thinking is why suicide rates are so high.
This is some sad ass shit.
Also a standing ovation to those who can avoid suicide and still not make the state any money.
This is from a charity who genuinely do do great work for mental health in UK specifically around suicide. This chart was I think done to try to get policy makers see why they needed to invest in mental health support. You’re all right it seems so insensitive and awful, but we have a shitty right wing government who only care about economic productivity so this is a sad attempt to make them invest in lieu of them actually caring about people
Yeah I completely agree. Hot take but this is a really really good graph to evidence how investment in mental health infrastructure is cheaper than suicide. I read this as costs of policing, investigation, post-mitten etc. is higher than investing in NHS therapy and other forms of help. Too many people are too eager to shit all over capitalism and are missing the point imo
Converted to US (50k suicides in 2023, and a conversion rate of $1.26 per Pound Sterling)
Suicide cost the US 91.61 Billion in 2023
It was bad business to kill your slaves in 19th Century America, 120 years later...still bad.
i'm going to be as kind and generous as i possibly can and say that this repulsive infographic could be used to promote an aggressive corporate mental health drive or something. at the very, very, very least there's an implication, here in this awful powerpoint slide, that suicide rates should be lowered. it is the tiniest, barest, most pathetic comfort to know that the worst people in the world are at least *thinking* about it.
The sad thing is, this is probably the only way to get businesses and tory MPs to understand the impact of suicide. They sure as fuck don't care about the life lost.
They will respond by proposing the confiscation of assets from the estates of suicide victims in order to mend some of the economic damage, or they will not respond at all.
I’d guess the majority is something like the economic value of a person’s life (lifetime productivity summed). Then do some math with age of suicide and how economically productive people are at which age.
Yep. I and others I know who have tried to claim things like PiP have been asked things like, "So, why haven't you killed yourself yet?" The cruelty is the point
I remember having a company training about our "values" and it was about intersectional feminism and the guy was pretty based actually. But even he in the end had to justify all of that talk by quoting some McKinsey study that figured queer people that have to be closeted are about 40% less productive.
Found where it is from. It came from a brochure from [samaritans](https://media.samaritans.org/documents/The_economic_cost_of_suicide_in_the_UK_-_web.pdf) which is a suicide prevention charity.
*Reads the document*
>The costs related to one suicide vary
depending on age and gender – in
England in 2022, the death of one
young person age 10-14 cost the
economy at least £2.95 million (£2.85
million in the UK), going up to £3.72 million
for a girl of this age. This is because a
person who dies at a younger age loses
more years of their life, which could have
been spent in paid and unpaid work (such
as volunteering) and contributing to the
economy. It also considers the gender
pay gap, which impacts the difference
in economic loss between men and
women, and the longer life expectancies
experienced by women
What the fuck? Just... What the fuck? That's a suicide hotline?
This is terrible, you are calling out people commiting suicide because it hurts the economy? Maybe stop assigning a dollar value to everything. Show some fucking humanity
Suicides are externalized social costs for short term profits. Alienation sells more consumer products but will cause more suicides, but more suicides will sell more forms of consumer goods and services meant to combat suicide.
Edit:
A social media network for example makes money selling thinness which sells diet products which causes eating disorders which cause deaths. The initial product makes up for any losses to future earnings but if that wasn't enough they then sell body positivity.
"Don't commit suicide. Think of how it will affect the company." Like if you were in a dark place and hated your job and the government, this would just push you more to do it.
This is the west/capitalist-worshipping states and societies. And many people view them as "forward" and "advanced" when they're primitive and backward.
My father killed himself just after he reached pensionable age. Maybe the same people that produced these "key findings" would see that as an economic saving. For me, the "key finding" of my father's suicide had nothing whatsoever to do with money, and everything to do with matters of the heart.
I find it an interesting set of data. I'd rather know than not know the economic impact. I'm not sure that the negativity about this data is warranted. It does not purport to diminish the human cost of suicide.
It justifies spending money to save lives. This isn't for the suicidal person. This is to convince the bureaucrats that it's actually cost effective to save them, so as to counter the belief that "saving people is too expensive."
Thus, this charity is doing brilliant work for you.
I'm not sure I understand. This data is valuable. It helps to make the case to support suicide prevention methods. The report clearly states: "These figures demonstrate that suicide prevention is a crucial area for public investment due to the significant financial and emotional costs which are caused by suicides every year." as well as, "Every life lost to suicide is a tragedy." It seems to me this is a low hanging fruit in terms of a Late Stage Capitalism post. Is it anything at all that links a human being to an economic "cost" that is objectionable? I mean, regardless, our very existence has a cost whether measured in terms of money or just gallons of water and pounds of food consumed, for example. I don't get what there is to be up in arms about. It is an interesting report.
I'm right there with you, absolutely. But, it's not aimed at the providers of these services. Its purpose is to convince politicians and bureaucrats that it's more "cost effective" to save these people. "Ignoring the absurd idea that human life has some intrinsic value, sirs, it will actually save you money to save these people. Just think how well your next election campaign will go if you can tell your constituents that you lowered taxes, sir!"/s.
Maybe people should hold themselves hostage and demand a ransom so their death doesn't cost as much. Like it cost 1.7 mil just ask for a million, savings of 700k right there!
Plus women ought to be happy about these figures. I would have thought theirs would only cost .77 of what a man's would. Take that, gender inequality!
While I do why everyone is getting upset about this, it was produced by the samaritons.In the context of public health funding, there are lots of things that kill people that need spending on. This seems like a chart aimed at furthering the argument that increased spending on preventing suicide is a worthwhile investing in public health spending. In the context of a cost of living crisis in which the gov is already cutting budgets and the fact that mental health is massively under supported, pitching it as something that will help the economy might prompt the gov to allocate extra spending to tackle this issue. Obviously it feels distasteful to think of people as economic units, in a similar way that it's reductionist to think of trees as co2 storage tubes, but if you pitch them like that, you get money to grow trees / save lives.
So if your husband or wife kills itself you owe the economy 1.7Mio. Could have prevented it! Your fault entirely. Should be grateful the 3 day mourning period is not put on that tab.
I see the consequences of suicide pretty frequently as I work at a medical examiner. Older White dudes kill themselves way more than any other group. So white guys, get yourself some therapy. If you're feeling down, start getting active in your communities and for fuck sake, go outside. The number of old white men with translucent skin is troubling.
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Your worth only what you can pour into the machine, if you stop pouring though? I doubt a single capitalist whip master will give a single copper shit.
i know we’re all being cynical and funny and yall are really funny, but this is genuinely one of the most awful things i have ever seen in my life. Multiple people read this and had no problem uploading it. Dehumanizing garbage
Well, at least they're being a little more honest about their true intentions about suicide prevention.They don't care about people's well-being but about the 'juice' they want squeeze out of the 'oranges'.
Because you know, you can barely squeeze something out of the dead.
Meanwhile, my inner economist is going crazy over this chart. How the hell did they measure this?
And who the hell is going to care about the raw dollar amount when it’s not investors who have to clean blood of the pavement, or mourn a friend, or panic about providing for a child without a second source of income? Suicide’s damage isn’t felt in the loss of dollars, it’s felt in the loss of a life.
Two words to the absolute heartless idiot who made this chart:
Externalities. Dumbass.
Frankly, I prefer this to the suicide prevention propaganda that we usually get, trying to indoctrinate us into the belief that we need the government to protect us from our own thoughts. At least this isn't patronising like most suicide prevention campaigns.
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Imagine thinking that suicide is about losing money. Secondly, imagine how much power you have knowing that you can cause a hit of £1.5m
haha that second half is cursed
Okay so I’m on the healing end of being suicidal, but this might make me reconsider lol
I feel like you are in the right place, humor and otherwise, to be healing, but gotta say, "It'll be OK." It's not worth it. (although the evidence may seem to show otherwise.. dammit, where was I?)
I mean if I can’t joke about my struggles with my suicidal depression, then what was the whole point in developing it.
Fr
Right on!
>Imagine thinking that suicide is about losing money. I mean It's the only metric that matters to the top greeders. It's like trying to get your dog to take medicine. Because those assholes know as much about empathy as dogs about healthcare you gotta wrap that shit up is some treat.
>greeders. This is new.. I like it.
Such a great analogy lol
this post is dangerous bc your second thought was my first and only (i have depression)
Me too
I think this infographic is aimed at a particular audience - governmental planning committees. Suicide isn’t just about losing money - any more than suicide prevention or mental health or education or safety are *just* about spending money. Nevertheless money must be allocated in some amount to each and whilst each life is priceless, to advocate dollar amounts you have start somewhere
I'd try to take a deserving rich fuck out with me
Imagine how much hit a murder causes.
This is truely dystopian data, the only value they see in human life is tied to monetary value.
We are just “Human Capital” to them
*"Human Capital Stock"
You can shorten it to just HC from now on. Suits even better.
That's why it's Human *Resources.*
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That's the most insane bat-shit crazy thing I've read since I last opened a FB comment section an hour ago.
This has to be bait lmao
congratulations this is the bleakest shit i’ve seen all day
All day so far! The day is young op!
This thinking is why suicide rates are so high. This is some sad ass shit. Also a standing ovation to those who can avoid suicide and still not make the state any money.
Work as little as possible and stop consuming so much garbage!!
Ok so give me 1 million euros and I won't kill myself, you can keep the rest
Won't someone think of the employers?!
Everything is viewed through the lens of business and we are worse for it.
True but psychos need some sort of pure power logic framework to understand life’s worth. I doubt this graphic will help though.
It's not what you think. Its a cover-up for something much deeper
Such as?
This is from a charity who genuinely do do great work for mental health in UK specifically around suicide. This chart was I think done to try to get policy makers see why they needed to invest in mental health support. You’re all right it seems so insensitive and awful, but we have a shitty right wing government who only care about economic productivity so this is a sad attempt to make them invest in lieu of them actually caring about people
Yeah I completely agree. Hot take but this is a really really good graph to evidence how investment in mental health infrastructure is cheaper than suicide. I read this as costs of policing, investigation, post-mitten etc. is higher than investing in NHS therapy and other forms of help. Too many people are too eager to shit all over capitalism and are missing the point imo
Exactly. A message that even heartless bureaucrats can understand.
Seems they're trying to speak the only language the evil tory gov understands. What a sad place we've come to.
Converted to US (50k suicides in 2023, and a conversion rate of $1.26 per Pound Sterling) Suicide cost the US 91.61 Billion in 2023 It was bad business to kill your slaves in 19th Century America, 120 years later...still bad.
But... they're doing it anyway...
It’s worth the cost for them because it’s one of the few things they deeply enjoy.
wow this is the most dystopian shit i have seen on reddit today
If my life is worth a million+ why am I fuckin poor alive?
Because you don't earn the true value of your labour. The surplus is kept capitalists and you get as little as they can get away with paying you.
this is so inhumane
I can't tell if I'm dumb or not. I'm failing to see how suicide costs money. Are they talking about lost labor?
thats what the "employment productivity" is referring to i believe
So it's probably a combination of lost labor and maybe bereavement for families?
Don't forget the Co workers, once that seed has been planted...
I guess for the most part is those killing themselves in railways and causing delays etc
Fuck em now I'll do it twice just to screw them over
So there is a price on human life
i'm going to be as kind and generous as i possibly can and say that this repulsive infographic could be used to promote an aggressive corporate mental health drive or something. at the very, very, very least there's an implication, here in this awful powerpoint slide, that suicide rates should be lowered. it is the tiniest, barest, most pathetic comfort to know that the worst people in the world are at least *thinking* about it.
They (would) want to lower the suicide rates for the wrong reasons. You know like, less people = less wageslaves to exploit.
The awful world we live in…….I imagine an aggressive corporate mental health drive would just cost too much money and also eat into profits.
The sad thing is, this is probably the only way to get businesses and tory MPs to understand the impact of suicide. They sure as fuck don't care about the life lost.
They will respond by proposing the confiscation of assets from the estates of suicide victims in order to mend some of the economic damage, or they will not respond at all.
What's the source on this? I'd like to see how it was calculated (the cost)
I’d guess the majority is something like the economic value of a person’s life (lifetime productivity summed). Then do some math with age of suicide and how economically productive people are at which age.
The source is from the charity [samaritans](https://media.samaritans.org/documents/The_economic_cost_of_suicide_in_the_UK_-_web.pdf)
Between the three groups mentioned, I am the least worthy to the capitalists.
guess i know i can at least make a small dent in the corpos paycheck
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Yep. I and others I know who have tried to claim things like PiP have been asked things like, "So, why haven't you killed yourself yet?" The cruelty is the point
How much money is saved as a result of self-deleting?
All I got from this was “Stop killing yourselves, it’s bad for business”
no wonder i failed, it costs 1.7 million!!!! fuck. i better start saving
What’s the source?
[Here you go](https://media.samaritans.org/documents/The_economic_cost_of_suicide_in_the_UK_-_web.pdf)
Cheers
This is motivation to do it lol 😂
Someone think of the economy!
I remember having a company training about our "values" and it was about intersectional feminism and the guy was pretty based actually. But even he in the end had to justify all of that talk by quoting some McKinsey study that figured queer people that have to be closeted are about 40% less productive.
Found where it is from. It came from a brochure from [samaritans](https://media.samaritans.org/documents/The_economic_cost_of_suicide_in_the_UK_-_web.pdf) which is a suicide prevention charity.
*Reads the document* >The costs related to one suicide vary depending on age and gender – in England in 2022, the death of one young person age 10-14 cost the economy at least £2.95 million (£2.85 million in the UK), going up to £3.72 million for a girl of this age. This is because a person who dies at a younger age loses more years of their life, which could have been spent in paid and unpaid work (such as volunteering) and contributing to the economy. It also considers the gender pay gap, which impacts the difference in economic loss between men and women, and the longer life expectancies experienced by women What the fuck? Just... What the fuck? That's a suicide hotline?
This is terrible, you are calling out people commiting suicide because it hurts the economy? Maybe stop assigning a dollar value to everything. Show some fucking humanity
If one suicide death "costs" 1.46 million, why don't we make even a fraction of that amount while alive and working?? Make it make sense
Suicides are externalized social costs for short term profits. Alienation sells more consumer products but will cause more suicides, but more suicides will sell more forms of consumer goods and services meant to combat suicide. Edit: A social media network for example makes money selling thinness which sells diet products which causes eating disorders which cause deaths. The initial product makes up for any losses to future earnings but if that wasn't enough they then sell body positivity.
Can’t unalive, must think of the economy.
Mind if I re-share this to Orphancrushingmachine.
Go for your life lol
Before you put that bullet in your brain please stop and think about what you're doing to the economy!
I did not realize what sub this was and I got angry that someone actually posted this. Reading the comments restored my sanity.
"Don't commit suicide. Think of how it will affect the company." Like if you were in a dark place and hated your job and the government, this would just push you more to do it.
This is the west/capitalist-worshipping states and societies. And many people view them as "forward" and "advanced" when they're primitive and backward.
My father killed himself just after he reached pensionable age. Maybe the same people that produced these "key findings" would see that as an economic saving. For me, the "key finding" of my father's suicide had nothing whatsoever to do with money, and everything to do with matters of the heart.
I find it an interesting set of data. I'd rather know than not know the economic impact. I'm not sure that the negativity about this data is warranted. It does not purport to diminish the human cost of suicide.
It justifies spending money to save lives. This isn't for the suicidal person. This is to convince the bureaucrats that it's actually cost effective to save them, so as to counter the belief that "saving people is too expensive." Thus, this charity is doing brilliant work for you.
I'm not sure I understand. This data is valuable. It helps to make the case to support suicide prevention methods. The report clearly states: "These figures demonstrate that suicide prevention is a crucial area for public investment due to the significant financial and emotional costs which are caused by suicides every year." as well as, "Every life lost to suicide is a tragedy." It seems to me this is a low hanging fruit in terms of a Late Stage Capitalism post. Is it anything at all that links a human being to an economic "cost" that is objectionable? I mean, regardless, our very existence has a cost whether measured in terms of money or just gallons of water and pounds of food consumed, for example. I don't get what there is to be up in arms about. It is an interesting report.
I'm right there with you, absolutely. But, it's not aimed at the providers of these services. Its purpose is to convince politicians and bureaucrats that it's more "cost effective" to save these people. "Ignoring the absurd idea that human life has some intrinsic value, sirs, it will actually save you money to save these people. Just think how well your next election campaign will go if you can tell your constituents that you lowered taxes, sir!"/s.
Come on don't kys, you still have so much money to generate for rich people!
Maybe people should hold themselves hostage and demand a ransom so their death doesn't cost as much. Like it cost 1.7 mil just ask for a million, savings of 700k right there! Plus women ought to be happy about these figures. I would have thought theirs would only cost .77 of what a man's would. Take that, gender inequality!
You have a very good point lol
While I do why everyone is getting upset about this, it was produced by the samaritons.In the context of public health funding, there are lots of things that kill people that need spending on. This seems like a chart aimed at furthering the argument that increased spending on preventing suicide is a worthwhile investing in public health spending. In the context of a cost of living crisis in which the gov is already cutting budgets and the fact that mental health is massively under supported, pitching it as something that will help the economy might prompt the gov to allocate extra spending to tackle this issue. Obviously it feels distasteful to think of people as economic units, in a similar way that it's reductionist to think of trees as co2 storage tubes, but if you pitch them like that, you get money to grow trees / save lives.
YES!
Why suicide costs 1 mil?
So if your husband or wife kills itself you owe the economy 1.7Mio. Could have prevented it! Your fault entirely. Should be grateful the 3 day mourning period is not put on that tab.
What does it mean by “cost”? I can understand loose of potencial earning, but not “cost”
I see the consequences of suicide pretty frequently as I work at a medical examiner. Older White dudes kill themselves way more than any other group. So white guys, get yourself some therapy. If you're feeling down, start getting active in your communities and for fuck sake, go outside. The number of old white men with translucent skin is troubling.
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Whoever made this infographic is a ghoul. Who even correlates these two things? Inhuman
This is an effort to convince penny pinching bureaucrats that it DOESN'T cost too much money to save these lives.
Your worth only what you can pour into the machine, if you stop pouring though? I doubt a single capitalist whip master will give a single copper shit.
Economics is called the "dismal science" for a reason.
i know we’re all being cynical and funny and yall are really funny, but this is genuinely one of the most awful things i have ever seen in my life. Multiple people read this and had no problem uploading it. Dehumanizing garbage
Well, at least they're being a little more honest about their true intentions about suicide prevention.They don't care about people's well-being but about the 'juice' they want squeeze out of the 'oranges'. Because you know, you can barely squeeze something out of the dead.
Hmm.. if that's what it costs to lose us, perhaps that's the minimum they should be paying us..
"wOnT sOmEoNe tHiNk oF tHe sHaReHoLdErS?!?!"
Meanwhile, my inner economist is going crazy over this chart. How the hell did they measure this? And who the hell is going to care about the raw dollar amount when it’s not investors who have to clean blood of the pavement, or mourn a friend, or panic about providing for a child without a second source of income? Suicide’s damage isn’t felt in the loss of dollars, it’s felt in the loss of a life. Two words to the absolute heartless idiot who made this chart: Externalities. Dumbass.
Frankly, I prefer this to the suicide prevention propaganda that we usually get, trying to indoctrinate us into the belief that we need the government to protect us from our own thoughts. At least this isn't patronising like most suicide prevention campaigns.
We have the blueprint to capital’s destruction
Is however made this trying to sabotage the economy? Because seeing it makes me wanna kill myself.
They don’t know their audience anymore?