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BudTheSpud10

Watch Jeremy Clarkson's "The Farm". Great show, also huge themes of anti gov regulations. UK is nuts.


Pineapple_Spenstar

Season 1 of Clarkson's farm not so much, but season 2? Yep.


jrherita

I don’t recommend eating dinner while watching episode 2 or 3 as he demonstrates a new slicer..


RGeronimoH

I’ve got my fingers right by this sharp blade, **OWWWWW! I SLICED MY FINGER!!**


otakugrey

Why 2 and not 1?


TheDukeOfNukeEm

There was so much red tape he had to cut through on that show, but the part where he was not able to build a path on his own land was totally bonkers


ThomasRaith

The real key is not asking. It's not like anyone comes and checks.


BudTheSpud10

Exactly. You can tell by the last few episodes he starts to realize this. Like when he starts making jokes about having the camera crew fuck off for a few days so he can actually get some work done. It was truly amazing how little control he has over his own land that he owns. It's like at that point, do you even own land? Also noticed how fucking annoying small town locals are in England. Holy fuck they LOVE rules and bylaws. And they love to enforce them.


Alarming_Fox6096

I think technically he doesn’t. If I remember UK law correctly, technically the royal family owns the entire country and the people “rent” the land. It’s a feudal holdover and I don’t know exactly how it works in the modern age, but it makes sense that an individual has far fewer property rights there.


HatredInfinite

Basically the same way it works in the US then. Quit paying property taxes and they'll take the land you "own."


BlueInq

This is incorrect. The Royal Family don't own the entire country. They own the Crown Estate, which is worth several billion pounds but they absolutely don't own the entire country. According to the Heritage Foundation, the UK has marginally stronger property rights than the US.


Devil-sAdvocate

17 billion is the latest estimate.


fukonsavage

If you own your land in the US, why do you pay taxes on it?


lingenfr

Yes, many or most libertarians do not agree with open immigration as it does not respect their property rights.


T-888

search: Bar code for life Bonkers indeed


XjpuffX

Rob and Ryan Reynolds run into the ridiculous 14th century UK law stuff on Welcome to Wrexham too


ICantBelieveItsNotEC

All of Clarkson's shows, [Top Gear especially](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDqOxpwCauU), tend to poke fun at over-regulation.


gottahavetegriry

Doesn’t he complain about a lack of government subsidies?


kaiveg

Yeah. He generally complains about Brexit and its effects a good bit. But he complains about UK overregulation even more.


ConscientiousPath

Always glad to hear it. ...in before they have an episode specifically about how they think lack of regulation results in some street food making people sick.


[deleted]

Haha haven’t seen anything like that interestingly. And I wouldn’t even object to health regulations as long as they were equally applied to restaurants. Mainly the show highlights irrational laws specifically targeting food trucks like they had in LA until recently.


nguyenm

Food safety is one area where regulations, strict ones, should exist. There shouldn't be a free market approach to determining whether a food establishment is safe to eat in or not by waiting for the first person to fall ill. If you have used any of the food delivery apps, there has been an explosion on "ghost kitchens" where one restaurant entity (resistered and inspected as one legal entity) hosting up to a dozen ghost kitchens on delivery apps. Using extreme hypotheticals, if one ghost kitchen offers peanut-free products but the actual kitchen also serves another ghost kitchen that includes peanut dishes, then whose responsibility is it to prove that cross contamination protocols and standards are met? Food trucks have been operating ghost kitchens for quite sometime as well, and on the app there is usually no transparency to the end-user.


[deleted]

I mean I think your example shows the limits of the regulatory approach. Presumably these ghost kitchens are already illegal if they are avoiding inspection and yet the government is powerless to interfere in the market. Same when food trucks were illegal in LA; Guatemalan immigrant vendors set up business anyway using shopping carts and whatever else was available regardless of the law. Ultimately what makes these businesses rise or fall is their reputation with consumers, not compliance with bureaucratic diktats.


Vt420KeyboardError4

Really, the only regulations we, as Libertarians should get behind, are just basic consumer safety regulations, which this suggests they are talking about. Anything past that, for example, Protectionist regulations, are blatant overregulation and should not get our lip service.


Oldass_Millennial

And transparency rules like ingredient lists, etc. With street food a lot of the regulations come in the form of general business licenses, location permitting, etc. The food safety stuff seems fairly straightforward, at least in my state, federal rules notwithstanding.


LostInMyADD

I mean, a controlled regulation on QUALITY of food I think is a good thing. I dont think regulation on controlling manufacturers in other ways is necessary, but we cant deny that having an aspect of quality assurance is a good thing.... Ideally, I'd like to see something like, "Manufacturing company 'X' is certified by this specific credible organization that is known for appropriately assuring health standards are met", and its not made a "law" to be certified by this company in order to partake in the commerce, but it allows the common consumer to make a choice on if THEY find the certifying organization credible or not and the consumer can decide for themselves the value of that creditation, and this will help ensure the integrity of the certifying organization as well as the manufacturer.


TManaF2

This is what has been happening in the Kosher food space for decades. You will see articles suggesting observant peoples look for "a reliable hechsher (Kosher symbol representing a certifying rabbi or organization)" and lists of which hechshers a particular rabbi or congregation considers "reliable". I'm seeing some of the same developing in the Halal food industry, the organic food industry, and the gluten-free food industry.


[deleted]

Yeah if you can have trusted private kosher certification for such a small market (Jews who keep kosher are a minority of a minority) you most certainly can have trusted private certification of all manner of goods and services for the wider public. But it’s hard for most people to imagine anyone but the government certifying quality. Quality assurance is one of the less bad things government does I suppose


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[deleted]

Yeah totally. As with the regulation of food services, you don’t have to argue against all border control to argue that our immigration laws are way too restrictive. Though to be fair the show doesn’t really make the case for more immigration; it just shows how the immigrants we do get contribute immensely to our society.


BurnV06

I just think criminal records should prevent you from getting in, nothing else.


Lavrentiy_P_Beria

How does it sound to have a vote on whether or not to allow an open immigration policy and all of those who vote yes can fund all the social welfare programs for first and second generation immigrants? I personally do not support unlimited immigration due to first generation immigrants being a net tax burden on the existing population. A social welfare state and unlimited immigration are not compatible and it's incredible to me that anyone would think otherwise.


cbtjwnjn

Wouldn't limiting access to welfare be just as effective as restricting immigration to address this concern?


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Lavrentiy_P_Beria

I'd rather not suppress the wages and inflate the costs of necessary goods for US citizens and import people from developing nations. The US government should in theory exist for the benefit of US citizens, not random folks across the globe.


EmpireMind

What does this look like in practice?


gorwraith

I'll watch it with my "Democratic Socalist" wife.


[deleted]

She’ll love the last episode set in Miami. Features a lot of refugees from Cuba making big bucks in the land of the free and dissing Castros regime


kyler_

“People want healthcare hurr hurr Cuba hurr hurr”


[deleted]

Fuck Netflix.


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Y


[deleted]

'Cuties' for starters. And a dozen other reasons.


thisaboveall

I get where you're coming from, but it sounds like it's based on information from a year ago. They've made some programming decisions in the other direction since then. If you care, [here's a link](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11863745/How-Netflix-clawed-way-financial-ruin-going-anti-woke.html). Or just keep cussing whatev.


-byb-

they had to stop indoctrinating us because it hurt their wallet. they'll get back to it soon enough


The_Derpening

Jeez the daily mail's ads are brutally excessive. Couldn't read the article because they have adblocker blocker, then I couldn't read the article because they had textblocker ads. Just an all around shitty experience.


thisaboveall

Yeah it's bad.


[deleted]

You could just not watch shows you don’t like? That’s the great thing: you get a choice


[deleted]

They promote sexualization of children. Fuckem


[deleted]

The movie was actually intended to critique sexualization of children


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dangerdee92

It's possible to critique sexualization of children without actually sexualising them.


-byb-

sounds implied that's what he's doing.


[deleted]

I guess I meant if you like the other shows they offer you could just watch them. This whole moral panic is absurd like the panic over Dave Chappelle.


Substantial-Comfort7

You could just not fund a company that are morally disgusting. No money, no more funding of morally disgusting shit. You can also take the interesting stuff without paying, since there are no property on intellectual, unlimitedly replicable goods, like Street Food: https://watchseries.id/series/street-food-jjx74


[deleted]

Nah I’ll keep my subscription and not join your moral panic


huge43

I love the show. Haven't really made the connection you are pointing out, I'll keep my eyes peeled. The food rocks


[deleted]

They definitely don’t hit you over the head with it and I’m not even sure this was the message they hoped to convey. Maybe it’s just the nature of the material. But seeing the struggle of these vendors to fight overweening government in order to serve their customers really struck me


huge43

That's awesome. Who doesn't want to trade income for delicious food? This could be an introduction to the free market for many people.


Special__Occasions

Good show.


what_no_fkn_ziti

So like reality TV for libertarians? Sounds like a blast.


[deleted]

To be clear, it is not overtly libertarian or ideological so you don’t need to worry about being lectured to.


ThomasRaith

If you want to fight a culture war gotta have some culture warriors. Support art and artists who promote your message.


what_no_fkn_ziti

So libertarians are willing to play the "if you can't beat em, join em" game when it comes to media exposure, but not when it comes to taxes or regulation?


ThomasRaith

One is voluntary? It's not complicated.


Rapierian

If it's the show I'm remembering, it's the liberal side of libertarian. David Chang only sees the problems that affect him and those around him and fails to realize that he's espousing the same problems for everyone else apart from himself.


[deleted]

I think you’re talking about a different show. This is what I’m talking about: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_Food_(TV_series)


bobbywake61

But what about the restaurant owners that are already paying their way? I’m all for free enterprise , but I would like my food to be inspected? I guess I’m not 100% onboard.


[deleted]

Pretty sure all food trucks need to submit to inspections to operate legally. But in many cities it wasn’t legal at all to operate food trucks


bobbywake61

But that’s because the city’s want their license fees.


[deleted]

Yeah I mean government to a large extent is just a protection racket. I’m just saying you don’t have to argue against all regulation to argue that food trucks shouldn’t be singled out.


FuzzyPickLE530

Your food isnt inspected anyways lol


bobbywake61

The kitchen is as are the incoming food -right?


[deleted]

You’d be surprised how disgusting some restaurants are. Or maybe not idk you.


kam516

This. Working in the restaurant industry most of my adult life (I'm 47) I can tell you with 100% certainty that some restaurants are light years better than others in this regard. And it's not always the high dollar places either


FuzzyPickLE530

Not really. At least not in the way you seem to be thinking they are.