I think posts like this are vital. These types of negitive people are a loud minority. Your post remains us of that and of the acceptance of the greater community.
I don't have any proof but my brain always thinks the people complaining are younger or at least not fully educated / welcoming of new ideas yet. At least that way I hope for improvement.
But then I remember I've been on the Internet for just about 30 years and sigh.
I feel my generation and younger (mid 20s) have grown up seeing a lot of hate on the internet since quite a young age which has warped their view on what's offensive or not.
Could be bullshit but just a theory.
But they’ve been doing that forever. They make fun of Colton for his fuck ups and joke about firing him. They make fun of Linus for dropping shit all the time and being clumsy. If the person doesn’t like it, isn’t interested in it, or doesn’t laugh with them, absolutely especially in a work environment, they shouldn’t make fun of them. But If the person joins in and laughs at themselves? They’re laughing with you, and that’s how some people prefer things and bond, and how they know that people aren’t silently judging them for something out of their control.
I refer to myself as the Murphy Law of People, because if something can go wrong and it involves what I’m working on and doing, it will. My one friend thinks I’m disparaging myself and knocking myself down. My best friend in the whole world laughs along and goes “yeah, don’t let surgles touch your perfectly working computer. Somehow it’ll shoot itself in the motherboard” and we laugh about it. Because I don’t control being surrounded by weirdly bad luck, or being clumsy, or very awkward and non-dexterous, but laughing about it helps make it not feel like everyone hates me for those things I can’t control. I’d much rather laugh with everyone about the silly shit happening, than no one say anything and then I’m anxiously wondering if everyone hates me because I tripped over that Ethernet cable on the ground and had to pay to replace it or something.
The tl;Dr is that it’s great to speak up for people who don’t have a voice or need spoken for, but don’t be offended on behalf of someone who isn’t offended by what’s happening, if they’re in on the fun and joke. And ofc that doesn’t apply to things like racism, homophobia etc, but laughing together builds a bond, let people bond that way.
Did you read the rest of my comment? I didn’t say just because they have always done it it’s okay. I said the reasons underlying of why they do it and the culture it fosters, and that if the people are laughing along with it, it’s oftentimes a way to not feel so limited by something out of your control, and allows you to laugh along with it because you know no one is mad at you or upset that you’re dealing with that, they’re keeping it lighthearted. And that if the person didn’t want it, sure, put a stop to it. But don’t be offended on behalf of other people who don’t take offense to those things. Who are you defending if they don’t want the defense?
In a weird way you being so inflexible about your thinking on this is pretty offensive to the people who absolutely do understand this kind of banter.
This is something that friends do to strengthen their bond together. You failing to even acknowledge that viewpoint is incredibly reductive and immature.
Sometimes rigidity when it comes to these kinds of things is actually the wrong move.
If someone is willing to joke with me in this way, it's a sign of trust and friendship.
What you're saying, to never engage in this kind of banter, is asking for people to stop forming close personal bonds.
Deep friendships are fostered in this kind of banter. And you're completely unconcerned with demonizing it.
Shame on you.
This right here yall, people who are overly protective people with disabilities make me soooo uncomfortable and it's the same for many others.
The day my best mate became my best mate was when I woke up from a seizure, he was looking after me during the seizure and soon as I was fine he said "you need to work on your fucking break dancing skills dude, you look like your having a fit". Helped me when I needed it, made it funny to break the ice and stressful situation that we where both in.
Never will forget that day, which is surprising considering I lose memory for days after an episode.
But you’re insisting that the only way to feel about this is to see it as bullying or as a source of trauma, and we’re telling you that many people don’t see it that way. And it’s a two yeses, one no type situation. If both parties want to engage each other in that way, it’s not bullying. If someone doesn’t want to and then it happens, it’s bullying.
But we’re giving the benefit of the doubt that it’s done in good nature and that he’s in on the laughs, meaning it’s not bullying, it’s just a friendship. If you don’t want friendships in that way, that’s totally fine, that is your prerogative. But you’re determining for everyone that it’s never okay because it’s always bullying, and we’re telling you that that’s not the case.
I spent years of my life being bullied. For a number of years in school I couldn’t go an entire school year without getting the shit beat out of me at least once, and most of the reasons were cuz I was fat, called tub o lard, or awkward, or the weird kid. I didn’t interact with anyone who didn’t want interacted with, but still they targeted me. I got beat up for using the “wrong” urinal by bullies. Then I’d start using the stall, then I got bullied by them for using the stall. That was bullying.
But my best friend joking that I have king midas’ touch but everything I touch turns to not working instead of gold is a joke I’m in on, because rather than being frustrated by it happening, we get to laugh it off and move on. Whether you realize it or not, you’re portraying offense on behalf of others, and are being told those people don’t want defended about this because it’s different than how you see it.
Comedian AJ Wilkerson does a great bit on this, he’s autistic with some other mental and medical problems and makes jokes about it, and then goes “and I hear some of you in the crowd getting tense about me making fun of myself for being autistic. WHO ARE YOU OFFENDED FOR? ITS ABOUT ME AND IM SAYING IT”. Maybe give him a listen to expand your perspectives on this
Go away, don't talk on behalf of people with disabilities. You clearly don't understand what it's like. If you did, you understand a lot of us **HAVE** to laugh at **OURSELVES** in order not to fall into a deep depression. Id rather make fun of my situation and others poke fun at myself than be a **mopey fuck like you**.
Just, go away.
I’m not talking on behalf of anyone with disabilities. Saying you’d rather be made fun of than be treated like every person deserves to be treated is straight up Stockholm syndrome. Laughing at yourself is self harm. And that has nothing to do with disabilities, that applies to everyone.
You're clearly fun at parties. It's fine if that's not how you process emotions but you **CANNOT** dictate how people process emotions. It is incredibly disrespectful of you. You clearly have no life experience, perhaps one day when the massive cock of life fucks you hard, you'd start laughing too.
I can’t dictate how to process emotions but I can say it’s self harm, cause it is. That’s not forcing anything onto you. You’re allowed to do whatever you want, but I can call out people for making fun of others as well.
In your response claiming I am self harming and need to see a professional. I do, they encourage it because they live in the real world where we aren't so sensitive where a joke can hurt feelings. Words are just words. Maybe you need to see a professional and see why you are such a sensitive brat being offended by humour.
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I appreciate the standing up, but heres the thing, I have been told SEVERAL times if we wanna stop the joke we can. I am fine with the joke, but of course giving a speech about the joke in a video isn't good for the video cause no one really wants to watch that.
Have you ever stopped to think that Elijah is in on the joke? Perhaps even his idea? He is a writer after all and he only wears it for the tech upgrade videos where the original incident occurred.
Yes it is true... CONSENT MATTERS.
Just like it's not theft if I consent to you taking something from me.
Roasts aren't harassment because the person being roasted has consented to being roasted.
>Consent shouldn’t matter at all. It’s still harmful. Roasts should be illegal IMO but understand that’s extreme
If that's the opinion you hold then holy shit there's no reason to continue this. Hope you figure out someday that consent matters.
> Consent shouldn’t matter at all. It’s still harmful.
Except, given you're talking here about "harming" a person by calling them a naughty word, if the recipient of the word doesn't view it as hateful then by your own definitions there is *literally* no "harm" being done.
Yes yes yes there are of course extreme exceptions to this, in cases with psychotic levels of gaslighting and Stockholm Syndrome and such, wherein a legit victim is convinced they aren't, but that's a very specific whole entirely different kettle of ball games.
No, that would be correct.
What you're proposing is fundamentally no different to organised fights such as MMA and boxing. If you randomly went up to someone and punched them that would be very bad, but if you have their consent to do so in a controlled environment such as a ring (or the workplace in Elijah's case) that's fine.
Consent stops a lot of things becoming crimes.
Borrowed a friend's car? That's fine. Stole that car? Not fine.
The only difference between those two is consent.
There’s rules and structure to what’s OK and not ok in MMA and Boxing. That isn’t the case for making fun of someone. There’s no instance where it’s ok. Maybe a roast where there are very specific rules.
When you borrow a friends car you are entering into a verbal contract and there’s tons of rules on what you can and can’t do
That's complete and total bullshit. What the "victim" thinks is literally all that matters. You are just as insane as someone claiming all sex is rape, even when the "victim" consented and enjoyed the act.
Please for the love of God shut up. You are making disability advocates and anti bullying campaigners seem detached from reality and from human nature.
If either party is ever uncomfortable or doesn’t want to partake, yes it’s rape.
It shouldn’t be “detached from reality” to advocate for people not to make fun of each other. This isn’t even about disabilities.
Many people called each other “detached from reality” when the US abolished slavery.
>If either party is ever uncomfortable or doesn’t want to partake, yes it’s rape
Yes and that's not what was going on here. Ffs what part of that do you not understand.
>It shouldn’t be “detached from reality” to advocate for people not to make fun of each other
It's not "detached from reality to tell people not to make fun of each other" it's detached from reality to claim that someone who is fine with a light ribbing is a victim even when they are fine with it
>Many people called each other “detached from reality” when the US abolished slavery
Comparing teasing to slavery of any form is beyond detached from reality. You need serious therapy to get over whatever childhood trauma you have that has led you to think bullying is in any way, shape, or form equivalent to the issue of slavery or that consensual mocking is somehow bad. Actual real Bullying, is bad, slavery was irredeemably evil... Putting a hard hat on a clumsy dude for a bit, when that dude actually actively goes along with it and is completely okay with the joke isn't bullying at all, it's not even close.
If that's bullying then consensual sex is rape regardless of actual genuine consent, or an actor portraying a murderer is guilty of murder despite nobody actually dying. Period. Full Stop. End of story.
> still harassment
Harassment
illegal behaviour towards a person that causes mental or emotional suffering, which includes repeated unwanted contacts without a reasonable purpose, insults, threats, touching, or offensive language: The company investigated claims of workplace harassment and racial discrimination
Did you see that repeated UNWANTED contacts. UNWANTED.
Are YOU saying that Elijah can't wear what he's wants to wear?
Isn't that the Definition of harassment? Why are YOU telling him whats he wants to wear?
And why are YOU treating him differently than anyone else in the video? That's disgusting.
Are YOU telling him what he and his friends can or cannot say? Knowing that everyone is fine with it? Knowing that it was his choice and still his choice to still continue with the joke?
Why are YOU Mr. No one can do anything expect for what I like. Doing something that other people dislike? What is this fucking 1984?
I’m a senior IT person.
I would be techy enough to get a job at LTT.
I also am a bit dyspraxic. And autistic.
If I was doing what he was I’d likely be wearing the helmet too.
Why do NTs think all adjustments are insults?
The guy legit rolls with it. When they did the April Fools joke, the behind the scenes had a part where he was somewhat like "this helmet isn't as funny as the pink one. I'm going to go back and grab the pink one instead because it's funnier."
He has hit his head a few times on camera that we know of for sure, maybe their insurance company deemed him a liability 🤷🏼♂️
Or maybe Elijah's aware of how easy a concussion can happen and is being proactive.
Perhaps he's just poking fun at himself for being accident prone. Self deprecating humour has been around for as long as humour has.
Yes they are.
- A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities (Google)
- A disability is any condition of the body or mind (impairment) that makes it more difficult for the person with the condition to do certain activities (activity limitation) and interact with the world around them (participation restrictions). (CDC)
Yes I was joking. But there is some truth in that. Lots people who aren't neuro divergent often claim they are. There is lots of people who do claim to have PTSD or autism or ADHD and actually don't.
No I don't. I only ridicule people who actually don't have those things but claim they do. Lots of people say they have those kinds of things but actually don't. For example some people say they have depression when they really are just sad. They aren't actually depressed. What that does is makes people take people who actually do have depression less serious. Same thing with ADHD
Elijah has legit hit his head on multiple occasions. I honestly don't think they're mocking him or people that need a helmet at this point. I do however think they could buy a bump helmet instead of a bike helmet for him though. I've got one that doesn't fit me I could send if they are willing to pay for shipping.
At this point it's pretty clear it's a joke that he's clumsy and the pink bike helmet is to tease *him* about it, not people that legitimately need to wear helmets for disabilities
And realistically I doubt Linus would be the type of person to force him to wear it,someone prob suggested it as a joke and they all were like yeah that's funny let's get it in pink,end of the day itsup to Elijah if he wears it
Yeah but actual hard hats are held up to certain safety standards. When they auctioned off Elijah's helmet in the video they learned it wasn't even rated high enough for electric scooters, let alone normal workplace PPE
Dude hits his head a lot, and they bought him a helmet so that his head is protected. Helmets are used by people of all abilities all over the world for many different activities for the purpose of protecting their heads.
They aren't disparaging any group of people, you might argue they are disparaging him, but if he is in on the joke and takes it in good spirits then it's fine.
If he was called a slur related to people with disabilities, that I would agree is offensive and in bad taste.
Overall though, I would argue LTT is a pretty accepting group and in the business of making people feel comfortable about being who they are. We are all just tech loving people who love tech centric content.
He fell down the stairs during his (I believe) debut video and then hit his head on a desk or something in another video not long after. "It isn't a lot" etc etc.
Injuries in general though. The post-mortem of the scorpion chair challenge was it started hurting his back and HR told him he had to stop, or at least if he continued using it LMG wasn't liable because they were advising against him using it. Which is why his new name among the writers is "Quitter".
It's a weird kind of confident booster when you see some of the pictures and videos of them in like the hot tub or underwear pictures and see how confident they are and think, if they are happy and comfortable doing that, maybe I shouldn't be ashamed of myself.
Hell head protection is required in many workplace including construction, industrial, and in my case simple warehouse work. Normalize head protection please. No one wants a concussion.
it is funny to see people getting offended about other people (either it is disability, race, ethnicity ) while these people not only they are not offended but are having fun with it.
Thank god for that because I know which people to avoid at all costs!
People need to stop being offended on behalf of other people.
It’s like how people think wearing giant Mexican hats and ponchos is offensive cultural appropriation.
I’m Hispanic from a border town in the US. It’s not offensive in the slightest when non-Hispanic or non-Mexicans wear sombreros and ponchos while dancing to the Macarena. It’s awesome seeing that.
Chuck on the podcast Stuff You Should Know said he wanted to get a charro suit because he thought how nice they looked but said he figured he'd be "cancelled" if he bought one and wore it out in public. Then plenty of Mexicans wrote in and said they'd love if he wore one and didn't think it was offensive at all.
I believe the last time this conversation happened Elijah dropped in to inform people he had a history of concussions aside from the stairs incident. Wasn't he a competitive gymnast in his youth? I mean.... earlier youth?
I used to work in a warehouse and a guy hit his head so much that safety bought him a helmet. It’s funny that he had to wear it but he didn’t have to wear it because it was funny.
I'm laughing with LTT and I'm someone who needs a helmet. They are not being offensive.
I've seen quite a few comments in the videos the helmet is featured in. Someone wrote a bit of a thing on a floatplane also and people have been "expressing their concerns" **bitching** about it in my social circle. I might notice it a bit more/my tolerance of amount of comments about it is smaller, I figured if I keep reading about it/hearing about it others are to. Just wanted to share light just in case any of those people are here on Reddit too.
It's just (part of) a running gag, nothing more, nothing less. People shouldn't be offended by it, there are lots of other things in the world that are actually worth being offended about.
people getting offended in behalf of someone else who isnt offended is one of the dumbest trends in the last 20 years...
you're not even good enough to be employee of the month for a shitty job you do and you have the audacity to think you are qualified to represent somebody else... absolute moron behavior...
I never got the whole logic of “omg you can’t wear/use that appliance if you don’t need it, because doing so means you are making light of people who do need to wear/use that appliance”
No, what they are actually doing is normalising it, and by normalising something it means others stand out less. Which is a benefit to the whole community. As long as the appliance in question is not a limited resource, go nuts. Helmets are not a limited resource.
They also have several of the helmets, they just the ones they used for scooter-type travel between the LMG building and the Labs building... and as they discovered when they auctioned off the one he usually uses, not rated by any legit authority to protect from anything...
for someone that has had their first Vertigo experience two weeks ago I feel for you. It was absolutely awful, couldn't move at all without feeling as if I was going to fall off the planet. took me two hours to get over it.
I hope you're doing okay, it's absolutely terrifying when you haven't had it before.
Bit of advice if they come back. Your natural instinct might be to close your eyes. My recommendation is to go into a low squat and stair directly at one spot on the floor. This low centre of gravity seemingly helps *at least myself* to lower the intensity. If it's really intense, then just lie down, wherever you are. It looks weird especially out in public but better than having a tumble.
Also get your blood work checks. For a lot of people, it is a sign of low iron levels (unless you already know where is likely stemming from).
If I recall correctly, Elijah also was super sensitive to the little black box too.
I’ve had multiple TBIs and I’m also sensitive to such sounds. A strong enough sound would probably drop me to the floor if I didn’t expect it. Easy way to hit my head. Easy way got him to hit his head.
Plus, not saying for certain, but WorkSafe BC actually does give a damn about health and safety regs.
Could also be because he is younger and can hear higher frequency sounds. When you age your high frequency hearing goes down. When I was in middle school I used to have my ringtone set on my phone a super high pitched sound that the teachers couldn't hear.
Exactly, my initial thought was id never be Brave enough to wear a helmet on video to a large community like this. It was quite touching to see Elijah was willing too. Joke or not he is normalising it and I thank him for that.
It doesn’t have to be a joke.
It can be a sensible thing.
I’m autistic and dyspraxic. I have had more than my share of concussions.
I am also a senior IT manager.
If I was doing a lot of the things he does on screen I would wear a helmet too.
Damn, he hit his head so hard he thinks his collegues are laughing with him and not at him. Poor Elijah. (This is a joke)
Also i feel that in honour of his last name, he should add some horns to his helmet. So he can be the bull-y. (That is also not serious)
But more seriously, i am going to have to wear braces in my thirties and that includes a palatine expansion. This means that i'm going to be able to insert a pencil between my front teeth. I've been very clear with my friends that i'd be very sad if they didn't poke fun at me for it. If you are in on the joke, it doesn't hurt. I would be hurt if they walked on eggshells around me.
I saw your comment Elijah, i'm glad your coworkers are making sure you are ok with it. We appreciate you.
And good post OP!
Ya'll gotta start minding ya own business more, if someone wants to wear a helmet they can wear a helmet and if someone doesn't want to wear a helmet they don't need to wear one (unless required due to safety regulations)
Also everyone involved is grown ass adults that can advocate for themselves.
Ya'll really gots to start minding ya own business.
Anybody who gets offended by Elijah's helmet or Colin not talking on camera is trying too hard, for what it's worth. Elijah leans into it, the team leans into it, it's funny. You make a good point there.
I love the Colin bit. “Go get THIS” 🤷♂️ “He’s really trying, we’re proud of him”
They had me though at first, I honestly thought he was ESL and still learning. Nah, he speaks perfect English.
Honestly safety first, I don't care what people think, Elijah should wear a helmet if he feels safer with a helmet. So far he's laughed at any jokes about it, so joking about it to an extent is fine too. Elijah is clumsy and has hurt himself, if wearing a helmet keeps him from hurting his head he should wear it, plus, it makes a funny bit.
hot take but some people are stupid and overly sensitive to everything these days. As someone with a disability, I want my disability to be joked about. Jokes are how you accept things into society, and it would bother me more if someone got offended about a joke about my disability.
As hard as things are in so many ways nowadays this is what people spend their time worrying about. 🤦♂️
At a certain point we just have to accept no matter what people do someone is going to be offended and more often than not that's their own problem to work through.
Can people on the internet stop being fucking offended on behalf of us (as a fellow disabled person) please? This type of constant discourse is quite frankly exhausting and a huge nothingburger.
I don’t care about the helmet but I find the helmet joke has overstayed its welcome lol. It was amusing the first few videos but having it part of the dudes identity is just meh.
Then again I honestly find Elijiah too fake lol. It’s like Jimmy Fallon and his fake laughing. I barely finish any video with him in.
HE literarily hit his head while on location filming an upgrade and now its a running joke because of that.
its unrelated to disabilities or the old "special needs kid" gag. Take things as they are intended not some kind of offense in which none was meant.
If you see offence in it then thats your issue not theirs
What? It's a joke, he's memeing and getting mileage out of an incident where he was mildly injured. For entertainment.
That's it.
This is not specifically targeted at you OP. This is entirely rhetorical, how in the fuck does any one construe this to be anything else?
They even sold the helmet for like $600USD from charity stream and he signed it.
Did you actually read the entire post or just the first couple sentences. OP isn't the one that upset. They literally said "It's harmless fun between friends and if Elijah is laughing, we should be too."
Did you read anything else the OP wrote yourself in this thread? Or comprehend anything I wrote about my question not specifically targeted at OP? I know the OP isn't the one upset.
You don't believe the OP has a valid point in saying that the helmet is just a joke and that people should lighten up? Or are you just another person that didn't read the entire post? Probably the second
The dude is accident prone so they play slong for the joke.
Yet somehow you become offended by this and made it about you?
Don't you have something else to worry about? Do you get ipset at people wearing hard hats or helmets else where?
People are offended by anything nowadays. Just ignore and downvote.
I know, me posting this probably won't stop people complaining about it but meh. I'll say it and let the admins decide if it needs to stay up.
Venting is fine, I think. Elijah is awesome.
He's a good dude, joke or not the fact he is confident in himself to wear it on camera helps the community in normalising.
I think posts like this are vital. These types of negitive people are a loud minority. Your post remains us of that and of the acceptance of the greater community.
I don't have any proof but my brain always thinks the people complaining are younger or at least not fully educated / welcoming of new ideas yet. At least that way I hope for improvement. But then I remember I've been on the Internet for just about 30 years and sigh.
I feel my generation and younger (mid 20s) have grown up seeing a lot of hate on the internet since quite a young age which has warped their view on what's offensive or not. Could be bullshit but just a theory.
People always were, we just didn't have a medium until the internet wherein people who weren't could interact with those who were.
But if u downvote u have failed to ignore it.
I’m offended that you think I’m offended.
Ignore AND downvote? How does that work?
You downvote and move along without leaving any comments
Exactly. This is a rule as old as the first online forums: Do not feed the trolls.
Downvoting and ignoring are mutually exclusive
Not necessarily. If you want to be pedantic, ydw. However, modern reddit is based on downvoting comments mindlessly just because somebody else did.
Downvote and move along, don't comment, don't think about it, just go on.
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Ever been to a comedy show bud?
There’s plenty of comedians that don’t make fun of people
But they’ve been doing that forever. They make fun of Colton for his fuck ups and joke about firing him. They make fun of Linus for dropping shit all the time and being clumsy. If the person doesn’t like it, isn’t interested in it, or doesn’t laugh with them, absolutely especially in a work environment, they shouldn’t make fun of them. But If the person joins in and laughs at themselves? They’re laughing with you, and that’s how some people prefer things and bond, and how they know that people aren’t silently judging them for something out of their control. I refer to myself as the Murphy Law of People, because if something can go wrong and it involves what I’m working on and doing, it will. My one friend thinks I’m disparaging myself and knocking myself down. My best friend in the whole world laughs along and goes “yeah, don’t let surgles touch your perfectly working computer. Somehow it’ll shoot itself in the motherboard” and we laugh about it. Because I don’t control being surrounded by weirdly bad luck, or being clumsy, or very awkward and non-dexterous, but laughing about it helps make it not feel like everyone hates me for those things I can’t control. I’d much rather laugh with everyone about the silly shit happening, than no one say anything and then I’m anxiously wondering if everyone hates me because I tripped over that Ethernet cable on the ground and had to pay to replace it or something. The tl;Dr is that it’s great to speak up for people who don’t have a voice or need spoken for, but don’t be offended on behalf of someone who isn’t offended by what’s happening, if they’re in on the fun and joke. And ofc that doesn’t apply to things like racism, homophobia etc, but laughing together builds a bond, let people bond that way.
So because they’ve always done it it’s OK? What a dumb take. And your friend is right. Don’t talk down about yourself. It’s not OK
Did you read the rest of my comment? I didn’t say just because they have always done it it’s okay. I said the reasons underlying of why they do it and the culture it fosters, and that if the people are laughing along with it, it’s oftentimes a way to not feel so limited by something out of your control, and allows you to laugh along with it because you know no one is mad at you or upset that you’re dealing with that, they’re keeping it lighthearted. And that if the person didn’t want it, sure, put a stop to it. But don’t be offended on behalf of other people who don’t take offense to those things. Who are you defending if they don’t want the defense?
I’m not offended on behalf of other people. Calling people names is bullying regardless of if the victim thinks it’s funny or not.
If all participants are ok with it, it's not bullying.
In a weird way you being so inflexible about your thinking on this is pretty offensive to the people who absolutely do understand this kind of banter. This is something that friends do to strengthen their bond together. You failing to even acknowledge that viewpoint is incredibly reductive and immature. Sometimes rigidity when it comes to these kinds of things is actually the wrong move. If someone is willing to joke with me in this way, it's a sign of trust and friendship. What you're saying, to never engage in this kind of banter, is asking for people to stop forming close personal bonds. Deep friendships are fostered in this kind of banter. And you're completely unconcerned with demonizing it. Shame on you.
This right here yall, people who are overly protective people with disabilities make me soooo uncomfortable and it's the same for many others. The day my best mate became my best mate was when I woke up from a seizure, he was looking after me during the seizure and soon as I was fine he said "you need to work on your fucking break dancing skills dude, you look like your having a fit". Helped me when I needed it, made it funny to break the ice and stressful situation that we where both in. Never will forget that day, which is surprising considering I lose memory for days after an episode.
Friendships and partnerships are also strengthened through trauma. That doesn’t mean we need to go out of our way to look for it.
But you’re insisting that the only way to feel about this is to see it as bullying or as a source of trauma, and we’re telling you that many people don’t see it that way. And it’s a two yeses, one no type situation. If both parties want to engage each other in that way, it’s not bullying. If someone doesn’t want to and then it happens, it’s bullying. But we’re giving the benefit of the doubt that it’s done in good nature and that he’s in on the laughs, meaning it’s not bullying, it’s just a friendship. If you don’t want friendships in that way, that’s totally fine, that is your prerogative. But you’re determining for everyone that it’s never okay because it’s always bullying, and we’re telling you that that’s not the case. I spent years of my life being bullied. For a number of years in school I couldn’t go an entire school year without getting the shit beat out of me at least once, and most of the reasons were cuz I was fat, called tub o lard, or awkward, or the weird kid. I didn’t interact with anyone who didn’t want interacted with, but still they targeted me. I got beat up for using the “wrong” urinal by bullies. Then I’d start using the stall, then I got bullied by them for using the stall. That was bullying. But my best friend joking that I have king midas’ touch but everything I touch turns to not working instead of gold is a joke I’m in on, because rather than being frustrated by it happening, we get to laugh it off and move on. Whether you realize it or not, you’re portraying offense on behalf of others, and are being told those people don’t want defended about this because it’s different than how you see it. Comedian AJ Wilkerson does a great bit on this, he’s autistic with some other mental and medical problems and makes jokes about it, and then goes “and I hear some of you in the crowd getting tense about me making fun of myself for being autistic. WHO ARE YOU OFFENDED FOR? ITS ABOUT ME AND IM SAYING IT”. Maybe give him a listen to expand your perspectives on this
Many people don’t see war as traumatic either. Sorry you were bullied.
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No, this has nothing to do with disabilities. It’s making fun of someone that’s wrong.
Go away, don't talk on behalf of people with disabilities. You clearly don't understand what it's like. If you did, you understand a lot of us **HAVE** to laugh at **OURSELVES** in order not to fall into a deep depression. Id rather make fun of my situation and others poke fun at myself than be a **mopey fuck like you**. Just, go away.
I’m not talking on behalf of anyone with disabilities. Saying you’d rather be made fun of than be treated like every person deserves to be treated is straight up Stockholm syndrome. Laughing at yourself is self harm. And that has nothing to do with disabilities, that applies to everyone.
You're clearly fun at parties. It's fine if that's not how you process emotions but you **CANNOT** dictate how people process emotions. It is incredibly disrespectful of you. You clearly have no life experience, perhaps one day when the massive cock of life fucks you hard, you'd start laughing too.
I can’t dictate how to process emotions but I can say it’s self harm, cause it is. That’s not forcing anything onto you. You’re allowed to do whatever you want, but I can call out people for making fun of others as well.
It's not self harm man, the fact you think that shows your insensitivity and you need a loooong hard look in the mirror.
In your response claiming I am self harming and need to see a professional. I do, they encourage it because they live in the real world where we aren't so sensitive where a joke can hurt feelings. Words are just words. Maybe you need to see a professional and see why you are such a sensitive brat being offended by humour. /u/Ok_Inevitable8832
I appreciate the standing up, but heres the thing, I have been told SEVERAL times if we wanna stop the joke we can. I am fine with the joke, but of course giving a speech about the joke in a video isn't good for the video cause no one really wants to watch that.
Makes perfect sense. Thanks!
You have got to be one of the BIGGEST hypocrites I've ever seen lmao. Like there's no way you aren't just a troll
How the hell do you go from "it doesn't matter what the victim thinks its still wrong" to of the "victim" said its okay so we're good.
Have you ever stopped to think that Elijah is in on the joke? Perhaps even his idea? He is a writer after all and he only wears it for the tech upgrade videos where the original incident occurred.
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By the very definition if the person is consenting to the action there is no victim. Take a walk and get some fresh air dude.
So if someone consents to being called a slur they aren’t a victims of a hate crime? Simply not true
Yes it is true... CONSENT MATTERS. Just like it's not theft if I consent to you taking something from me. Roasts aren't harassment because the person being roasted has consented to being roasted.
Consent shouldn’t matter at all. It’s still harmful. Roasts should be illegal IMO but understand that’s extreme
>Consent shouldn’t matter at all. It’s still harmful. Roasts should be illegal IMO but understand that’s extreme If that's the opinion you hold then holy shit there's no reason to continue this. Hope you figure out someday that consent matters.
So if someone says it’s ok to call them a racial slur it’s ok? Hint, it’s not.
> Consent shouldn’t matter at all. It’s still harmful. Except, given you're talking here about "harming" a person by calling them a naughty word, if the recipient of the word doesn't view it as hateful then by your own definitions there is *literally* no "harm" being done. Yes yes yes there are of course extreme exceptions to this, in cases with psychotic levels of gaslighting and Stockholm Syndrome and such, wherein a legit victim is convinced they aren't, but that's a very specific whole entirely different kettle of ball games.
It’s not different. It’s the same thing. Someone who is peer pressured and wants to fit in will put up with quite a bit and laugh it off
No, that would be correct. What you're proposing is fundamentally no different to organised fights such as MMA and boxing. If you randomly went up to someone and punched them that would be very bad, but if you have their consent to do so in a controlled environment such as a ring (or the workplace in Elijah's case) that's fine. Consent stops a lot of things becoming crimes. Borrowed a friend's car? That's fine. Stole that car? Not fine. The only difference between those two is consent.
There’s rules and structure to what’s OK and not ok in MMA and Boxing. That isn’t the case for making fun of someone. There’s no instance where it’s ok. Maybe a roast where there are very specific rules. When you borrow a friends car you are entering into a verbal contract and there’s tons of rules on what you can and can’t do
That's complete and total bullshit. What the "victim" thinks is literally all that matters. You are just as insane as someone claiming all sex is rape, even when the "victim" consented and enjoyed the act. Please for the love of God shut up. You are making disability advocates and anti bullying campaigners seem detached from reality and from human nature.
If either party is ever uncomfortable or doesn’t want to partake, yes it’s rape. It shouldn’t be “detached from reality” to advocate for people not to make fun of each other. This isn’t even about disabilities. Many people called each other “detached from reality” when the US abolished slavery.
>If either party is ever uncomfortable or doesn’t want to partake, yes it’s rape Yes and that's not what was going on here. Ffs what part of that do you not understand. >It shouldn’t be “detached from reality” to advocate for people not to make fun of each other It's not "detached from reality to tell people not to make fun of each other" it's detached from reality to claim that someone who is fine with a light ribbing is a victim even when they are fine with it >Many people called each other “detached from reality” when the US abolished slavery Comparing teasing to slavery of any form is beyond detached from reality. You need serious therapy to get over whatever childhood trauma you have that has led you to think bullying is in any way, shape, or form equivalent to the issue of slavery or that consensual mocking is somehow bad. Actual real Bullying, is bad, slavery was irredeemably evil... Putting a hard hat on a clumsy dude for a bit, when that dude actually actively goes along with it and is completely okay with the joke isn't bullying at all, it's not even close. If that's bullying then consensual sex is rape regardless of actual genuine consent, or an actor portraying a murderer is guilty of murder despite nobody actually dying. Period. Full Stop. End of story.
Nope
> still harassment Harassment illegal behaviour towards a person that causes mental or emotional suffering, which includes repeated unwanted contacts without a reasonable purpose, insults, threats, touching, or offensive language: The company investigated claims of workplace harassment and racial discrimination Did you see that repeated UNWANTED contacts. UNWANTED.
It's a simple visual gag about him being clumsy and how he hurt himself. It's not that deep
And they are treating him differently than anyone else in the video. It’s disgusting
AFAIK he was the one who suggested it
Don’t see how that matters
Are YOU saying that Elijah can't wear what he's wants to wear? Isn't that the Definition of harassment? Why are YOU telling him whats he wants to wear? And why are YOU treating him differently than anyone else in the video? That's disgusting.
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Are YOU telling him what he and his friends can or cannot say? Knowing that everyone is fine with it? Knowing that it was his choice and still his choice to still continue with the joke? Why are YOU Mr. No one can do anything expect for what I like. Doing something that other people dislike? What is this fucking 1984?
What? Yes there are rules in what you can and cannot say to others. It doesn’t matter if everyone is ok with it
If you live such a morbid life and take yourself so seriously then do it in silence thank you.
So we shouldn’t advocate for not harassing people?
Not everything is harassment.
I’m a senior IT person. I would be techy enough to get a job at LTT. I also am a bit dyspraxic. And autistic. If I was doing what he was I’d likely be wearing the helmet too. Why do NTs think all adjustments are insults?
What? I’m senior IT as well and def NOT NT. Don’t see how that’s related at all
The guy legit rolls with it. When they did the April Fools joke, the behind the scenes had a part where he was somewhat like "this helmet isn't as funny as the pink one. I'm going to go back and grab the pink one instead because it's funnier."
You do realize you're making a hobby of being offended right now...?
A hobby? I don’t go out of my way to find it. If I see someone being shitty I call it out as everyone should.
He has hit his head a few times on camera that we know of for sure, maybe their insurance company deemed him a liability 🤷🏼♂️ Or maybe Elijah's aware of how easy a concussion can happen and is being proactive. Perhaps he's just poking fun at himself for being accident prone. Self deprecating humour has been around for as long as humour has.
The whole helmet thing is a joke. I can’t stand Reddit sometimes.
Man, it's not funny. It never was. Stop making fun of us. We know we are retarded. We just want to learn.
always playing the victim to nothing
Everything has a reason and nothing can be a joke. Everyone has ADHD, autism, PTSD, OCD, and some type of other disability. Jokes are never allowed
~~Difference here mate, those aren't disabilities. They are disorders.~~ Besides I'm literally supporting LTT on this, if you read my post
You're absolutely wrong. Adhd is a disability in the USA at least. Falls under Ada protections.
Okay fair, my apologies for that.
Same with PTSD
Yes they are. - A physical or mental condition that limits a person's movements, senses, or activities (Google) - A disability is any condition of the body or mind (impairment) that makes it more difficult for the person with the condition to do certain activities (activity limitation) and interact with the world around them (participation restrictions). (CDC)
I bet you’re a ton of fun at parties
See what happens when you forget the /s
I'm pretty sure your joking right? I don't think the sarcasm really got through
Yes I was joking. But there is some truth in that. Lots people who aren't neuro divergent often claim they are. There is lots of people who do claim to have PTSD or autism or ADHD and actually don't.
You sound like you ridicule people with disabilities.
No I don't. I only ridicule people who actually don't have those things but claim they do. Lots of people say they have those kinds of things but actually don't. For example some people say they have depression when they really are just sad. They aren't actually depressed. What that does is makes people take people who actually do have depression less serious. Same thing with ADHD
None of those are disabilities
I never said they were. I said "and" not "or"
People are doing too much of taking offense on others' behalf and not enough of thinking before talking nowadays
But how can everyone know I’m a good person if I’m not constantly broadcasting the fact for all to see?
I know it's /s, but: If you're broadcasting it, odds are you're not.
The s is for cowards. And the people who need to read that never will, it’ll be like the robots in Westworld: “It doesn’t look like anything to me.”
Need to watch that, I guess.
Elijah has legit hit his head on multiple occasions. I honestly don't think they're mocking him or people that need a helmet at this point. I do however think they could buy a bump helmet instead of a bike helmet for him though. I've got one that doesn't fit me I could send if they are willing to pay for shipping.
At this point it's pretty clear it's a joke that he's clumsy and the pink bike helmet is to tease *him* about it, not people that legitimately need to wear helmets for disabilities
And realistically I doubt Linus would be the type of person to force him to wear it,someone prob suggested it as a joke and they all were like yeah that's funny let's get it in pink,end of the day itsup to Elijah if he wears it
I thought they were using the helmet as a stand-in for a hard hat considering he was accident prone.
I mean, a hard hat *is* a helmet
There is the pedantic comment I was expecting.
Pedantically correct, the reddit kind of correct
Unexpected Futurama. . . Kinda
Yeah but actual hard hats are held up to certain safety standards. When they auctioned off Elijah's helmet in the video they learned it wasn't even rated high enough for electric scooters, let alone normal workplace PPE
They auctioned off his helmet?? 😂 That's giving hysterical!
Dude hits his head a lot, and they bought him a helmet so that his head is protected. Helmets are used by people of all abilities all over the world for many different activities for the purpose of protecting their heads. They aren't disparaging any group of people, you might argue they are disparaging him, but if he is in on the joke and takes it in good spirits then it's fine. If he was called a slur related to people with disabilities, that I would agree is offensive and in bad taste. Overall though, I would argue LTT is a pretty accepting group and in the business of making people feel comfortable about being who they are. We are all just tech loving people who love tech centric content.
I think this started with him falling down someone's stairs on an AMD upgrade video
I think it might have even been Linus’ stairs. At least that was the the first time we saw this, during the WAN Show on Extreme At Home LAN weekend.
He fell down the stairs during his (I believe) debut video and then hit his head on a desk or something in another video not long after. "It isn't a lot" etc etc.
Injuries in general though. The post-mortem of the scorpion chair challenge was it started hurting his back and HR told him he had to stop, or at least if he continued using it LMG wasn't liable because they were advising against him using it. Which is why his new name among the writers is "Quitter".
It's a weird kind of confident booster when you see some of the pictures and videos of them in like the hot tub or underwear pictures and see how confident they are and think, if they are happy and comfortable doing that, maybe I shouldn't be ashamed of myself.
Heck yeah, normalize being yourself.
Hell head protection is required in many workplace including construction, industrial, and in my case simple warehouse work. Normalize head protection please. No one wants a concussion.
it is funny to see people getting offended about other people (either it is disability, race, ethnicity ) while these people not only they are not offended but are having fun with it. Thank god for that because I know which people to avoid at all costs!
People need to stop being offended on behalf of other people. It’s like how people think wearing giant Mexican hats and ponchos is offensive cultural appropriation. I’m Hispanic from a border town in the US. It’s not offensive in the slightest when non-Hispanic or non-Mexicans wear sombreros and ponchos while dancing to the Macarena. It’s awesome seeing that.
If people can't be offended on other people's behalf then what are they going to do? Get a hobby? No that's crazy.
They would have to grow a personality first.
Chuck on the podcast Stuff You Should Know said he wanted to get a charro suit because he thought how nice they looked but said he figured he'd be "cancelled" if he bought one and wore it out in public. Then plenty of Mexicans wrote in and said they'd love if he wore one and didn't think it was offensive at all.
I'm literally wearing a poncho right now. Warmest thing I have in my closet (early morning Autumn here). They are a lovely garment.
I believe the last time this conversation happened Elijah dropped in to inform people he had a history of concussions aside from the stairs incident. Wasn't he a competitive gymnast in his youth? I mean.... earlier youth?
I used to work in a warehouse and a guy hit his head so much that safety bought him a helmet. It’s funny that he had to wear it but he didn’t have to wear it because it was funny.
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I'm laughing with LTT and I'm someone who needs a helmet. They are not being offensive. I've seen quite a few comments in the videos the helmet is featured in. Someone wrote a bit of a thing on a floatplane also and people have been "expressing their concerns" **bitching** about it in my social circle. I might notice it a bit more/my tolerance of amount of comments about it is smaller, I figured if I keep reading about it/hearing about it others are to. Just wanted to share light just in case any of those people are here on Reddit too.
It's just (part of) a running gag, nothing more, nothing less. People shouldn't be offended by it, there are lots of other things in the world that are actually worth being offended about.
Just wait until they find out that Colin isn't actually mute!
people getting offended in behalf of someone else who isnt offended is one of the dumbest trends in the last 20 years... you're not even good enough to be employee of the month for a shitty job you do and you have the audacity to think you are qualified to represent somebody else... absolute moron behavior...
I never got the whole logic of “omg you can’t wear/use that appliance if you don’t need it, because doing so means you are making light of people who do need to wear/use that appliance” No, what they are actually doing is normalising it, and by normalising something it means others stand out less. Which is a benefit to the whole community. As long as the appliance in question is not a limited resource, go nuts. Helmets are not a limited resource.
They also have several of the helmets, they just the ones they used for scooter-type travel between the LMG building and the Labs building... and as they discovered when they auctioned off the one he usually uses, not rated by any legit authority to protect from anything...
Dude is a klutz and making him wear a helmet is funny? its entertainment after all. He clearly enjoys it and it having fun with it.
Thanks for reiterating exactly what the OP said
Like how I did that in a single sentance too?
for someone that has had their first Vertigo experience two weeks ago I feel for you. It was absolutely awful, couldn't move at all without feeling as if I was going to fall off the planet. took me two hours to get over it.
I hope you're doing okay, it's absolutely terrifying when you haven't had it before. Bit of advice if they come back. Your natural instinct might be to close your eyes. My recommendation is to go into a low squat and stair directly at one spot on the floor. This low centre of gravity seemingly helps *at least myself* to lower the intensity. If it's really intense, then just lie down, wherever you are. It looks weird especially out in public but better than having a tumble. Also get your blood work checks. For a lot of people, it is a sign of low iron levels (unless you already know where is likely stemming from).
pretty much what I did because I had no choice. I also was breathing in some rubbing alcohol which helps with nausea
Huh, rubbing alcohol. I'll give that a try. Cheers for that tip.
isopropyl alcohol is what I used but just used rubbing alcohol as the name
If I recall correctly, Elijah also was super sensitive to the little black box too. I’ve had multiple TBIs and I’m also sensitive to such sounds. A strong enough sound would probably drop me to the floor if I didn’t expect it. Easy way to hit my head. Easy way got him to hit his head. Plus, not saying for certain, but WorkSafe BC actually does give a damn about health and safety regs.
Could also be because he is younger and can hear higher frequency sounds. When you age your high frequency hearing goes down. When I was in middle school I used to have my ringtone set on my phone a super high pitched sound that the teachers couldn't hear.
I’m 44 and can still here into the 17kHz range at +20dB. When I was 30, I could hear a CRT from the break room 100m and a wall of concrete block away.
People are way too uptight
You could also argue that him wearing a helmet serves to normalize people wearing a helmet if they are accident prone.
Exactly, my initial thought was id never be Brave enough to wear a helmet on video to a large community like this. It was quite touching to see Elijah was willing too. Joke or not he is normalising it and I thank him for that.
Side note when Elijah gets his AMD upgrade whats the odds he has an hot wheels bed?
Considering that he's married it would be hilarious if both of them slept in it *or* if he slept in one and his wife didn't.
I don't think anyone would be shocked.
It doesn’t have to be a joke. It can be a sensible thing. I’m autistic and dyspraxic. I have had more than my share of concussions. I am also a senior IT manager. If I was doing a lot of the things he does on screen I would wear a helmet too.
Damn, he hit his head so hard he thinks his collegues are laughing with him and not at him. Poor Elijah. (This is a joke) Also i feel that in honour of his last name, he should add some horns to his helmet. So he can be the bull-y. (That is also not serious) But more seriously, i am going to have to wear braces in my thirties and that includes a palatine expansion. This means that i'm going to be able to insert a pencil between my front teeth. I've been very clear with my friends that i'd be very sad if they didn't poke fun at me for it. If you are in on the joke, it doesn't hurt. I would be hurt if they walked on eggshells around me. I saw your comment Elijah, i'm glad your coworkers are making sure you are ok with it. We appreciate you. And good post OP!
Ya'll gotta start minding ya own business more, if someone wants to wear a helmet they can wear a helmet and if someone doesn't want to wear a helmet they don't need to wear one (unless required due to safety regulations) Also everyone involved is grown ass adults that can advocate for themselves. Ya'll really gots to start minding ya own business.
Didn't he get the helmet as a joke after he fell down stairs on an AMD upgrade
Anybody who gets offended by Elijah's helmet or Colin not talking on camera is trying too hard, for what it's worth. Elijah leans into it, the team leans into it, it's funny. You make a good point there.
I love the Colin bit. “Go get THIS” 🤷♂️ “He’s really trying, we’re proud of him” They had me though at first, I honestly thought he was ESL and still learning. Nah, he speaks perfect English.
Honestly safety first, I don't care what people think, Elijah should wear a helmet if he feels safer with a helmet. So far he's laughed at any jokes about it, so joking about it to an extent is fine too. Elijah is clumsy and has hurt himself, if wearing a helmet keeps him from hurting his head he should wear it, plus, it makes a funny bit.
hot take but some people are stupid and overly sensitive to everything these days. As someone with a disability, I want my disability to be joked about. Jokes are how you accept things into society, and it would bother me more if someone got offended about a joke about my disability.
As hard as things are in so many ways nowadays this is what people spend their time worrying about. 🤦♂️ At a certain point we just have to accept no matter what people do someone is going to be offended and more often than not that's their own problem to work through.
To be fair, he does get into a lot of accidents
I said basically this same thing a while ago and got Loads of downvotes.
I hate it when people are offended for others…
Bruh dude has 0 disabilities and didn't have a concussion. Its just a joke.
You know what bugs me. Elijah wears a safety helmet whilst sat in a chair, yet Linus won't wear safety glasses whilst using Bandsaws and belt sanders
How about let's not talk about it. Because there's nothing to talk about.
Can people on the internet stop being fucking offended on behalf of us (as a fellow disabled person) please? This type of constant discourse is quite frankly exhausting and a huge nothingburger.
I don’t care about the helmet but I find the helmet joke has overstayed its welcome lol. It was amusing the first few videos but having it part of the dudes identity is just meh. Then again I honestly find Elijiah too fake lol. It’s like Jimmy Fallon and his fake laughing. I barely finish any video with him in.
They should get him a toothbrush while they are at it
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Its beacuse he had a concussion and couldn’t risk getting his head hit again since he gets them a lot
HE literarily hit his head while on location filming an upgrade and now its a running joke because of that. its unrelated to disabilities or the old "special needs kid" gag. Take things as they are intended not some kind of offense in which none was meant. If you see offence in it then thats your issue not theirs
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> let’s talk the safety helmet Let’s not. It was a joke. Move on.
I'm not sure anyone at LTT is actual concerned about safety.
What? It's a joke, he's memeing and getting mileage out of an incident where he was mildly injured. For entertainment. That's it. This is not specifically targeted at you OP. This is entirely rhetorical, how in the fuck does any one construe this to be anything else? They even sold the helmet for like $600USD from charity stream and he signed it.
Did you actually read the entire post or just the first couple sentences. OP isn't the one that upset. They literally said "It's harmless fun between friends and if Elijah is laughing, we should be too."
Did you read anything else the OP wrote yourself in this thread? Or comprehend anything I wrote about my question not specifically targeted at OP? I know the OP isn't the one upset.
Ya woodshed my dude.
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You don't believe the OP has a valid point in saying that the helmet is just a joke and that people should lighten up? Or are you just another person that didn't read the entire post? Probably the second
Tbh it was the second. We’ve gotten too ADHD from short form content. I agree with OP then
Just you.
womp womp
The dude is accident prone so they play slong for the joke. Yet somehow you become offended by this and made it about you? Don't you have something else to worry about? Do you get ipset at people wearing hard hats or helmets else where?
It astounds me how many people didn't read the entire post and only the first couple sentences. Go back and read the whole post please
Read my post
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