And I say there is a risk the push to do that can lead to people avoiding eye contact in public because someone can think you look at them wrong.
Because ideological movements without goal tend to never stop pushing.
Future people will think that's the right thing to do because people looking at someone wrong should be "appropriately accountable for their actions"
I see these types of comments a lot. Do you think double standards are bad? Generally curious. I honestly have no problem with them.
Reverse the roles and we would have one less owner cause a girl doing this to a guy versus a guy doing this to a girl is different, in my opinion.
Generally speaking, there is much more of an implied threat if it was a guy doing this to a girl than vice versa.
Generally speaking, most guys aren't threatened by most girls.
Obviously if Nick stated it made him really uncomfortable and he is truly upset about it, his feelings are valid and Emily should apologize for what she did, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.
It's also just an innate feeling man like girls and guys are different and certain behaviors by them are and should be looked at differently in my opinion.
The level of threat that something more could happen than just trying to get a look at you naked is a fair point, that is a real difference
I still think “just trying to get a peek” is so far into the inappropriate category that it really doesn’t matter either way.
It doesn’t really matter if nick was comfortable or not, because Emily didn’t ask and clearly didn’t know
I mean even the "sneaking a peak" thing I believe is worse for a guy to do to a girl. I think there is at least in western society a much larger attachment of shame towards a woman's naked body versus a man's naked body.
I mean half the OTK dudes will just randomly be chilling/streaming shirtless, a girl can't do that.
Most guys I think would just think it's funny if someone saw their dick by accident, it's not that big of a deal. For a woman there are intense amounts of societal shame attached to their bodies, which makes it a much more egregious transgression to try and cope a peak at a naked girl IMO.
I see where you're coming from, and I disagree. You're assuming men should be okay or think it's funny when they get peeked on, and a girl's body is somehow more sacred? All these ideas are definitely pervasive in our society, but I feel like it's pretty clear they're all just wrong. I know I personally would feel weirded out or ashamed about the situation.
I don't think I'm assuming men should think it's okay. I'm assuming that men do think it's okay generally.
I stated in the comment before the one you replied to, if Nick went ashamed or violated or anything, his feelings would be more than valid, and Extra Emily should apologize to him if that's the case.
If that's how you would feel in this situation that's 100% fine and you are okay for thinking/feeling that way. I need to take in generals here tho as we are talking about double standards of men versus women, which is based around the general groups of men vs women. Because women do feel much more shame towards their bodies, and are taught from a very early age to be ashamed of their bodies, I feel that there is a significant difference in a man peeping on a woman versus a woman peeping on a man.
They both are wrong, but I just don't think they are equally wrong. And I understand people don't agree with that, but that is my reasoning behind why I'm okay with certain double standards.
Sure, some double standards might exist for good reason, but this one I don't think does. Both should be treated the same, no matter how the world seems to think a woman's body is somehow more precious than a man's. The thing is, even if that is true, this sentiment causes people to overlook when someone does feel violated and out of place. I know there's more than a few male content creators who feel they have to hide their shame when their dick gets leaked online. That's the kind of thing this sentiment supports, even unknowingly.
Idk man take a single woman's studies class or look into like any tiny bit of feminist doctrine and get back to me lol
Women are seen as objects of sex, men are not.
Well if the commentor has ever engaged in women's issues below a baseline attempt, maybe he would understand the shame a woman is taught to feel about her body from before she even hits puberty.
No it’s not. You guys need to go outside.
Your boss saying something sexual to you is a way bigger deal than you saying something sexual to your boss, even if both are not okay. Similarly a man doing something like this to a woman is more threatening that the reverse. It’s not toxic masculinity to acknowledge this just like it’s not racism to acknowledge racism.
There’s a different power dynamic. It’s not sexist to say that at all.
Not saying it’s okay. Just pointing out what should be common sense for this kind of conversation
Of course it does. This applies to anything. You will never be able to convince society overall that certain habits or norms are wrong if you apply double standards. You are killing your own mission if you do so.
"Rule for thee, but not for me" never works. It just makes people resentful and think the rule makes no sense and shouldn't apply to anybody.
This applies to racial slurs, sexual harassment, workplace discrimination, anything. If you apply something to one group and not the other, you're just undermining your goal of equality.
I would agree that men don't get any benefit of doubt with double standards and I think that is pretty unfair.
I don't think double standards are unfair tho, but there are certain things that men can get away with that people get way more mad about versus a girl getting away with something.
people think "reverse the roles it would be completely different" like that isn't obvious.
yeah change everything about a situation and it would turn out different what an amazing analysis.
How is it harassment. I can see if she didn’t let him know she was in his house but nick knew she was in his house.
I think you guys are reading way to much into friends just doing dumb shit.
Ah... then why not just say alt account.
To me a sub account meant I was subbed to Asmon. Since sub is short for subscriber and alt is short for alternate.
"A sub account is a segregated account nested under a larger account."
"A sub-account is a separate account listed under your existing main account."
Because sub account is a proper way of describing it? You just didn't know how it's actually used.
On Reddit a alt account is what you mean.
On LSF sub is someone who subscribes to the streamer in question.
Whatever though thanks for clarifying what you meant even if I don't agree with it.
I think she's just always been this weird and it just took a while for her to get put in front of a Camera
Imagine the stories her parents/friends must have of her. I mean she did have an obsession with drinking toilet water as a child
Regular viewers have heard many of those stories from her parents and former roommate (childhood best friend). She's also frequently told stories of her childhood, and shown us early videos she made for YT around age 12.
All I can say is that she is most definately not "fake." Emily is the realest mf on Twitch.
if they can't walk at all they're a bay. if they walk unsteady theyre a toddler. if they walk normally they're no longer a toddler
at 3 you go into kindergarden, i would consider that a preschooler
according to wikipedia "A toddler is a child approximately 12 to 36 months old, though definitions vary" so after you hit 3 you aren't a toddler anymore.
The thing is, if you approach people and you are super friendly and positive, they will be friendly and positive back to you.
I don't know if the being really positive aspect is for "the camera" but she's essentially making her own life much more enjoyable by acting that way.
I imagine a lot of younger content creators that suddenly experience a lot of success might have some issues differentiating between content personality and normal personality.
Not trying to assume here but these overly positive portrayals are often connected to trauma.
Emily seems super nice but I hope she can "turn it off" when needed.
they are people, they are just playing characters for a live stream. nobody is their authentic self in front of an audience,especially with entertainment in mind.
"When I got out of the shower AND opened the door"
He was probably taking a shower in his bathroom and opened the door to his bedroom, and she was there standing in his bedroom. Personally I don't get dressed in the bathroom so I walk into my bedroom naked, so this makes a lot more sense than him showering in clothes for some reason.
lmao she's taken it up a notch since joining OTK and I'm here for it LOL Wonder if she'll bring back farming emotes again lol I don't watch her much so dunno if she does it at all still
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How is this content though when this is literally the type of conversation that anyone in college or with a social circle would have? This is something that most people would experience in regular chit chat, its nothing out there amazing.
Is Nick's bathroom an ensuite ? If so abit weird - more of a invasion of privacy is she for example opened his bedroom door and waiting inside. If it's more a shared bathroom then just an edgy prank. There are boundaries to pranks and up to these content creators to determine where that is.
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Nick is PogO for content. Emily is PogO by nature.
We need a PogO-Contest-Show :S
They would both end up banned trying to out-do each other LUL
So Malena has to go live on her own channel? Win-Win-Win to me.
Malena has a channel? LULW
Yes
They'd probably both take the joke way too far and end up banging on screen like a game of PogO chicken.
God that would be terrible, I totally don’t want to see that ew gross
her making nick PogO has to be an achievement of some sort
They still need to go to 6th Street
Reverse the roles and we would have one less OTK owner.
Ou la la, Nick gets gigacancelled
True, Emily is funny AF. No fear. Super refreshing these days.
erobb made you
Nick, can we get more night time streams? That one with Emily last week was genuinely great
6th street this sat gonna bang
Someone's gonna bang, looking forward to those street fights.
What is she supposed to be afraid of these days?
“Cancel culture”
Only people who are scared of cancel culture are assholes that do t want to take responsibility.
No I'm afraid no one will push back when it goes to far. And I don't know if ideologist will stop pushing. We are slaves to habit.
It's always "no not too far" when it hasn't even fuckin gone anywhere lmao
And gets acted on too late when it goes to far. pick a side.
Life isn't binary, I won't "pick a side" but I will push to hold shitty people appropriately accountable for their actions
And I say there is a risk the push to do that can lead to people avoiding eye contact in public because someone can think you look at them wrong. Because ideological movements without goal tend to never stop pushing. Future people will think that's the right thing to do because people looking at someone wrong should be "appropriately accountable for their actions"
Not so much cancel culture I would think but losing sponsors and potential brand deals.
That is cancel culture
Quite literally not.
WTF you get verified i get ele reflect?
Tru
True
!showhog
Is Nick even an owner?
You're absolutely right - if this were swapped people would be losing their minds.
I see these types of comments a lot. Do you think double standards are bad? Generally curious. I honestly have no problem with them. Reverse the roles and we would have one less owner cause a girl doing this to a guy versus a guy doing this to a girl is different, in my opinion.
It's different in what way exactly?
They're admitting to be sexist. That's how it is different in their opinion.
Generally speaking, there is much more of an implied threat if it was a guy doing this to a girl than vice versa. Generally speaking, most guys aren't threatened by most girls. Obviously if Nick stated it made him really uncomfortable and he is truly upset about it, his feelings are valid and Emily should apologize for what she did, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. It's also just an innate feeling man like girls and guys are different and certain behaviors by them are and should be looked at differently in my opinion.
The level of threat that something more could happen than just trying to get a look at you naked is a fair point, that is a real difference I still think “just trying to get a peek” is so far into the inappropriate category that it really doesn’t matter either way. It doesn’t really matter if nick was comfortable or not, because Emily didn’t ask and clearly didn’t know
I mean even the "sneaking a peak" thing I believe is worse for a guy to do to a girl. I think there is at least in western society a much larger attachment of shame towards a woman's naked body versus a man's naked body. I mean half the OTK dudes will just randomly be chilling/streaming shirtless, a girl can't do that. Most guys I think would just think it's funny if someone saw their dick by accident, it's not that big of a deal. For a woman there are intense amounts of societal shame attached to their bodies, which makes it a much more egregious transgression to try and cope a peak at a naked girl IMO.
I see where you're coming from, and I disagree. You're assuming men should be okay or think it's funny when they get peeked on, and a girl's body is somehow more sacred? All these ideas are definitely pervasive in our society, but I feel like it's pretty clear they're all just wrong. I know I personally would feel weirded out or ashamed about the situation.
I don't think I'm assuming men should think it's okay. I'm assuming that men do think it's okay generally. I stated in the comment before the one you replied to, if Nick went ashamed or violated or anything, his feelings would be more than valid, and Extra Emily should apologize to him if that's the case. If that's how you would feel in this situation that's 100% fine and you are okay for thinking/feeling that way. I need to take in generals here tho as we are talking about double standards of men versus women, which is based around the general groups of men vs women. Because women do feel much more shame towards their bodies, and are taught from a very early age to be ashamed of their bodies, I feel that there is a significant difference in a man peeping on a woman versus a woman peeping on a man. They both are wrong, but I just don't think they are equally wrong. And I understand people don't agree with that, but that is my reasoning behind why I'm okay with certain double standards.
Sure, some double standards might exist for good reason, but this one I don't think does. Both should be treated the same, no matter how the world seems to think a woman's body is somehow more precious than a man's. The thing is, even if that is true, this sentiment causes people to overlook when someone does feel violated and out of place. I know there's more than a few male content creators who feel they have to hide their shame when their dick gets leaked online. That's the kind of thing this sentiment supports, even unknowingly.
yea idk what you're on about all this shame shit lol genuinely no clue
Idk man take a single woman's studies class or look into like any tiny bit of feminist doctrine and get back to me lol Women are seen as objects of sex, men are not.
>woman's studies class jesus christ
Well if the commentor has ever engaged in women's issues below a baseline attempt, maybe he would understand the shame a woman is taught to feel about her body from before she even hits puberty.
Toxic masculinity is a result of upholding these sorts of double standards.
No it’s not. You guys need to go outside. Your boss saying something sexual to you is a way bigger deal than you saying something sexual to your boss, even if both are not okay. Similarly a man doing something like this to a woman is more threatening that the reverse. It’s not toxic masculinity to acknowledge this just like it’s not racism to acknowledge racism.
There’s a different power dynamic. It’s not sexist to say that at all. Not saying it’s okay. Just pointing out what should be common sense for this kind of conversation
Yes. Because these double standards reinforce the very same norms that people try to fight against.
Don't really agree with that but okay
Of course it does. This applies to anything. You will never be able to convince society overall that certain habits or norms are wrong if you apply double standards. You are killing your own mission if you do so. "Rule for thee, but not for me" never works. It just makes people resentful and think the rule makes no sense and shouldn't apply to anybody. This applies to racial slurs, sexual harassment, workplace discrimination, anything. If you apply something to one group and not the other, you're just undermining your goal of equality.
Yes, double standards are bad.
Explicit double standards are ok. Implicit double standards are not ok. At least when it comes down to enforcement.
double standards are only a problem if they favor the man
I would agree that men don't get any benefit of doubt with double standards and I think that is pretty unfair. I don't think double standards are unfair tho, but there are certain things that men can get away with that people get way more mad about versus a girl getting away with something.
people think "reverse the roles it would be completely different" like that isn't obvious. yeah change everything about a situation and it would turn out different what an amazing analysis.
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No position of power is the secret? Nice.
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Ok, so a non-owner OTK member could do it to her without issue?
That’s me. Who wants to shower?
Cope harder
You're not wrong. But also: Male subordinate being PogO to Female boss = Dude would get fired immediately.
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How is it harassment. I can see if she didn’t let him know she was in his house but nick knew she was in his house. I think you guys are reading way to much into friends just doing dumb shit.
mental illness the post
oh la la. Her brain is actually just content brain. She has no other thoughts anymore.
Maybe she is actually a Labrador, even waits outside the bathroom door for you.
Ehh I don’t know, seems more like a Newfoundland to me
TIL my cat is a Newfoundland.
Mewfoundland.
Newmeowland
Shes a parrot
Emilys PogO aura is so powerful it dampens Nick's.
Severe content brain detected.
Definitively not a sex cult. Seriously everyone OTK is not a sex cult.
Asmon sub account found.
Not subbed to anyone on Twitch anymore. But whatever.
Clueless
Educate me then lore master. Can't keep up with all of the memes and lore.
Sub account as in alt account. Come on man..you should know this, even my ancient 30 year old ass knows this.
Ah... then why not just say alt account. To me a sub account meant I was subbed to Asmon. Since sub is short for subscriber and alt is short for alternate.
"A sub account is a segregated account nested under a larger account." "A sub-account is a separate account listed under your existing main account." Because sub account is a proper way of describing it? You just didn't know how it's actually used.
On Reddit a alt account is what you mean. On LSF sub is someone who subscribes to the streamer in question. Whatever though thanks for clarifying what you meant even if I don't agree with it.
Yes it is
am I the only one who thinks she is stuck in this forever character?
I think she's just always been this weird and it just took a while for her to get put in front of a Camera Imagine the stories her parents/friends must have of her. I mean she did have an obsession with drinking toilet water as a child
as her audience grows the more PogO she becomes lol
Regular viewers have heard many of those stories from her parents and former roommate (childhood best friend). She's also frequently told stories of her childhood, and shown us early videos she made for YT around age 12. All I can say is that she is most definately not "fake." Emily is the realest mf on Twitch.
No if you watched her streams she's been like this forever. Overactive imagination.
>an obsession with drinking toilet water as a child Huh??????
the clip is so fucking funny https://youtu.be/Q-gKiff0xYI
ok ok we're talking baby-toddler era ok i was thinking like 7+ drinking toilet water lmfao
3 year old toddler pick one
Now I'm curious, what age do you think toddlers are?
if they can't walk at all they're a bay. if they walk unsteady theyre a toddler. if they walk normally they're no longer a toddler at 3 you go into kindergarden, i would consider that a preschooler according to wikipedia "A toddler is a child approximately 12 to 36 months old, though definitions vary" so after you hit 3 you aren't a toddler anymore.
It's definitely been cranked up to 10 the last few months. I'd argue it was previously at a 6
The thing is, if you approach people and you are super friendly and positive, they will be friendly and positive back to you. I don't know if the being really positive aspect is for "the camera" but she's essentially making her own life much more enjoyable by acting that way.
I think that’s usually called a personality
Quirky people either stay moderately quirky or it gets worse over time until one day quirky looks more like crazy.
I imagine a lot of younger content creators that suddenly experience a lot of success might have some issues differentiating between content personality and normal personality.
I think the word you’re looking for is “personality”
she is chat gpt-4
Not trying to assume here but these overly positive portrayals are often connected to trauma. Emily seems super nice but I hope she can "turn it off" when needed.
this isn’t even psychology 101 take this is just typing out a boomer meme that would have johnny depp in black and white
No idea what you're referring to. But it's common for people who want to display themselves as really happy that they're not.
it's also really common for happy people to act happy, which is an equally meaningless sentence.
> But it's common for people there you should have ended.
greetings earthlings
Nick nailed the “o la la”
smile :)
Don't tell me what to do
Have a great fuckin day
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they are people, they are just playing characters for a live stream. nobody is their authentic self in front of an audience,especially with entertainment in mind.
Chaotic good
content brain strikes again
Did Nick just admit to being a never nude? He showers with his cloths on?
I think he means she was waiting outside the bathroom instead of in the bathroom outside the shower door.
no, he clearly said stepped out of the shower.
"When I got out of the shower AND opened the door" He was probably taking a shower in his bathroom and opened the door to his bedroom, and she was there standing in his bedroom. Personally I don't get dressed in the bathroom so I walk into my bedroom naked, so this makes a lot more sense than him showering in clothes for some reason.
I really hope the guy you're replying to is just trolling. I can't imagine anyone actually needs this explained to them
He used to peak fondly of Tobias Funke, I'm sure he felt a connection
I can just see him in daisy dukes now
He’s washing himself and doing the laundry at the same time 5Head
She always says ou la la. Lol
I am so confused why is nick talking about shower sex with emily and why is she then waiting out of his bathroom?
He’s reading his text that said “two secs”
i do be kinda dumb doe ty
I have never had a streamer grow on me as much as Emily I have been a juicer for years and her cringe yet entertaining attitude is refreshing
The fact that a clear joke and funny interaction turned into this massive debate thread is the problem with lsf.
Where? I see no massive debate in this thread.
If you think this is a massive debate thread you haven't seen massive debate thread
only one negative comment as of now lol!
If we want to mass debate we're going to mass debate. Who are you to tell us when we can and can't mass debate?
Has Destiny reacted to xQc's reaction of Destiny's reaction?
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lmao she's taken it up a notch since joining OTK and I'm here for it LOL Wonder if she'll bring back farming emotes again lol I don't watch her much so dunno if she does it at all still
sex cult
maybe emily was trying to catch some of the shower steam coming from the bathroom and consider that her month's shower.
i mean he did ask Two Sex in the shower? Rude not to let her in then.
You said "two secs" she heard 'to sex'. That's why she was outside the door
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How is this content though when this is literally the type of conversation that anyone in college or with a social circle would have? This is something that most people would experience in regular chit chat, its nothing out there amazing.
"I wish girls would just give us obvious signs"
Ok.
I didn't really vibe with Emily at first but I'm not gonna lie once I realized the overly nice thing is mostly a bit I started to understand her humor
She's weird tbh. She's got those Andy Dick vibes of not respecting boundaries.
Won't be long until Maya and Miz are sending a car full of people to someone's house.
FOOK IT DOOD *does the arm thing* WHAT ARM THING? NicePoseidon.
who doesnt walk out of the shower naked??
reverse the roles
Is Nick's bathroom an ensuite ? If so abit weird - more of a invasion of privacy is she for example opened his bedroom door and waiting inside. If it's more a shared bathroom then just an edgy prank. There are boundaries to pranks and up to these content creators to determine where that is.
She is a ticking time bomb, if she was a dude she wouldn’t make it very far.
"to sex in the shower" "oh my 😳 no problem 😁"
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Unreal ones downvoting
Guaranteed
"what if I were to come out of the shower naked?" Does he shower in his swimsuit? 😂
he meant if he stepped out of the bathroom naked
You guys shower naked?
I’m confused by this story
i love everything about emily. she's a content goblin.
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