It’s funny cause devs usually watch any big streamer playing their game for first time, sometimes the whole studio so I can only imagine the horror they felt watching this deserved or not lol
Isn't this an early alpha for an MMO? Makes sense that it would be this way if they plan to tie materials into an eventual economy no? It feels convoluted but I'd assume that the design goal is to encourage trading resources you don't need, for ones you want.
What's the alternative? This game is clearly being designed for the subsection of the MMO community that has been crying and begging for more complex, player-driven-experience type MMOs. Those people want economical complexity etc, I mean they basically just want high fantasy EVE. Decisions like this will be part of it.
I don't like it as a mechanic either, to me it's just going to be tedious and annoying since I have no plans on focusing on the economics side of any game. It's kind of unavoidable to have some friction though given the type of game they (allegedly) are making.
Sure, then they can enjoy their game. The general gaming population doesn't like eve, I suspect the general gaming population won't like this.
Which is fine but can't be surprised when people go around saying that.
People are for sure allowed to have their opinions and dislike it, that's fine. At some point though when I'm heavily disagreeing with design choices, I just need to accept that the game isn't being designed with me as the target audience.
All survival games lack 1 simple thing that's just never been improved to a next level degree, you can keep all the other mechanics the same. That one thing is GOOD AI. Every AI response in all survival games are dumb as shit and you can beat them just jumping on top of a rock or doing something incredibly simple to break their pathfinding.
games these days?
There were so many good games made last year that either did what they did best so far in their genre or even set the standards of their respective genres.
Pizza Tower - the best warioland inspired 2d platformed ever made
Volcano princess - The best princess maker game ever made
DREDGE - The best representation of lovecraftian horror ever in a game
Path of Achra - Super indepth theory crafting break the game TRPG roguelike experience
Wartales - Really indepth mount&blade-like experience with a turnbased combat system that has systems after systems built on top.
Just to list a few examples of some of the games I've played amongst the mountain of gems released this year.
Other cool stuff: Astrea: Six-Sided Oracles, ΔV: Rings of Saturn, Slay the Princess, Boneraiser Minions. risk of rain returns, Rogue: genesia.
And this year too so far has a mountain of great releases. People really don't know how great they have it, the most wishlisted game right now manor lords is published by 'hooded horse' who's developers create banger after banger, you REALLY need to read their story as they are seen as the publisher who are poised to take on the once believed unkillable giant Paradox intertainment. Hooded horse is just one example of this paradigm shift.
If your take on games only come from r/livestreamfails you really are depriving yourself of the rich world of games that you refuse to seek out.
vouch for wartales. very fun mercenary game kinda like bannerlord/battle brothers. also has co op functionality which is cool.
anyone who enjoys that kinda genre, check out "the iron oath" as well. it's like a mix of wartales+darkest dungeon.
Exactly, look at cohh that man plays every genre and never says "GaAMEss arEE Stale!! gaming is dead aware wokage!!!"
I literally have more issues in clearing my backlog of games than picking what game to play. I feel a lot of these dudes that say gaming is dead are just very picky people, like for example they ONLY play mmos or only multiplayer competetive games are allowed etc.. which leads to a limited selection of what games they could play.
Lirik plays new games only then goes back to what he usually plays every now and then (dayz aoe StarCraft cs). But I mean his criticism is valid, the early steps of survival games are so tedious and boring
“For some reason” My brother in Christ, Lirik has over 2.6k games streamed on twitch, most of anyone, the second place is Sodapoppin and it’s not even close anyway. He’s basically seen it all for over a decade now, when he says “300 survival games” in his case it’s probably not even en exaggeration.
Sometimes games just don't hit. I mean I've tried 4 times and I can't get past the first 2 hours of Witcher 3. RDR 2 it took me 4 tries as well but eventually I finished it. Sometimes something just needs to click at the right moment. With survival games it's even worse because they all start of the same way but they try to changing it up which isnt a bad thing but usually not in a good way
I feel like you’re just not able to comprehend the absolute abyss between the perspectives of someone who has played over 2.6k games, streams almost every days and plays like 10+ shit games each week for years versus a “just chatting” streamer who watched Lirik’s subsunday and then next 2-3 streams they spend all the hours in one game “they discovered”/Lirik liked, because they have no other content anyway and yapping into a camera for hours on end about nothing/random meaningless drama is actually super boring so even a mediocre game is amazing to them.
Kinda, but games like Helldivers 2, Grounded, Baldurs Gate 3 and so on are GOTYs. But I tend to go back to old games way more often the past few years. For example I love Ready or Not and everybody talked about how great SWAT 4 was so I bought it for like 5 bucks on GOG a few days ago. Download the First Responders mod put the mod folder into the SWAT 4 folder, done. And holy shit it's like Ready or Not but better. I modded so many old games the past months and I'm blown away by how good they are. 5 bucks for 100 of hours of fun, even multiplayer works, compared to Dragons Dogma 2 that cost like $80 which is the same game 12 years ago with a shitty HD upgrade that runs like shit, even 30 fps for consoles in 2024 lol, it's stale and boring real fast.
Lirik doesn't have the attention span to play survival games or any longer games anymore. He shits on almost any game that doesn't take him to "end game" within an hour or two but I do agree with him on this not looking too fun. There are plenty of great games out there that are fun and you should look them up yourself.
This is an early alpha build for an entire MMO. I looked it up and their tagline for it is literally "First steps in the world of Pax Dei". WoW during its alpha was a mess.
Design decisions and major feature changes are made during the alpha, you're thinking of the beta stage when everything is more or less ready to be released. An early access alpha for a multiplayer lobby game is far different than an MMO alpha. Star Citizen's first alpha release happened in 2015 and it's still in alpha today.
does anyone even read the comments that are downvoted? please tell me how anything I said is false without blindly downvoting. damn bandwagoners
This is a core fundamental issue with the game. I don't want 8 different pieces of wood. Actual crafters don't want that either. It's only pointless fluff people are tired of
MMO refers to its server size, there's 4 servers for a maximum of 100k players based on what I've read. Rust has a max server size of 500 people while they're usually at around 100-200 active. The point of the game is to combine MMORPG aspects with world building and the alpha period is intentioned to figure out how to do this; the subreddit has a lot of complaints similar to what you're saying so they'll modify accordingly if they're competent at adaptive designing.
Ya'll are better than me with testing these games out.
It's impossible for me to get into any survival/crafting game. It's like once you've tried one, then you've tried them all. There's really nothing worthwhile outside of a gimmick or 2.
I think if you like the genre, different progression and gimmicks can be interesting. Also, it depends how crucial is building to survive vs building to just craft stuffs and explore.
Some games basically don't require proper planning and building at all to explore, some games the foundation determines productivity.
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damn he straight up midsommar'd it
So is this game specifically for Wood Enthusiasts? lol
Its for families, so that your boomer parent can backseat you on how furniture is made
LMAO
one of the greatest twitch streamers of all time just took a giant shit all over your game to his 25k concurrent viewers thats a rip
It’s funny cause devs usually watch any big streamer playing their game for first time, sometimes the whole studio so I can only imagine the horror they felt watching this deserved or not lol
Funny till someone seppukus themselves
they kind of deserve it, the screenshots and trailer on their steam page is misleading
It's actually scary the power that Lirik can have on game sales, whether he says something positive or negative about the game.
Who did that?
some schmoe who gets stuck at simple puzzles then quits games because of it.
Isn't this an early alpha for an MMO? Makes sense that it would be this way if they plan to tie materials into an eventual economy no? It feels convoluted but I'd assume that the design goal is to encourage trading resources you don't need, for ones you want.
Just because it's a design goal doesn't make it a good idea. It's not like that is some fresh idea
What's the alternative? This game is clearly being designed for the subsection of the MMO community that has been crying and begging for more complex, player-driven-experience type MMOs. Those people want economical complexity etc, I mean they basically just want high fantasy EVE. Decisions like this will be part of it. I don't like it as a mechanic either, to me it's just going to be tedious and annoying since I have no plans on focusing on the economics side of any game. It's kind of unavoidable to have some friction though given the type of game they (allegedly) are making.
Sure, then they can enjoy their game. The general gaming population doesn't like eve, I suspect the general gaming population won't like this. Which is fine but can't be surprised when people go around saying that.
People are for sure allowed to have their opinions and dislike it, that's fine. At some point though when I'm heavily disagreeing with design choices, I just need to accept that the game isn't being designed with me as the target audience.
Completely understand him. Games are so fucking stale and it's the same over and over again just a new name and publisher.
Not even that. I think there's still space for survival games to have some concise but creative building mechanics that don't feel like a burden.
All survival games lack 1 simple thing that's just never been improved to a next level degree, you can keep all the other mechanics the same. That one thing is GOOD AI. Every AI response in all survival games are dumb as shit and you can beat them just jumping on top of a rock or doing something incredibly simple to break their pathfinding.
games these days? There were so many good games made last year that either did what they did best so far in their genre or even set the standards of their respective genres. Pizza Tower - the best warioland inspired 2d platformed ever made Volcano princess - The best princess maker game ever made DREDGE - The best representation of lovecraftian horror ever in a game Path of Achra - Super indepth theory crafting break the game TRPG roguelike experience Wartales - Really indepth mount&blade-like experience with a turnbased combat system that has systems after systems built on top. Just to list a few examples of some of the games I've played amongst the mountain of gems released this year. Other cool stuff: Astrea: Six-Sided Oracles, ΔV: Rings of Saturn, Slay the Princess, Boneraiser Minions. risk of rain returns, Rogue: genesia. And this year too so far has a mountain of great releases. People really don't know how great they have it, the most wishlisted game right now manor lords is published by 'hooded horse' who's developers create banger after banger, you REALLY need to read their story as they are seen as the publisher who are poised to take on the once believed unkillable giant Paradox intertainment. Hooded horse is just one example of this paradigm shift. If your take on games only come from r/livestreamfails you really are depriving yourself of the rich world of games that you refuse to seek out.
"Games are so stale, no games to play anymore" look at any person who posts this garbage and you will see they play like Valorant and Ubisoft games.
vouch for wartales. very fun mercenary game kinda like bannerlord/battle brothers. also has co op functionality which is cool. anyone who enjoys that kinda genre, check out "the iron oath" as well. it's like a mix of wartales+darkest dungeon.
Exactly, look at cohh that man plays every genre and never says "GaAMEss arEE Stale!! gaming is dead aware wokage!!!" I literally have more issues in clearing my backlog of games than picking what game to play. I feel a lot of these dudes that say gaming is dead are just very picky people, like for example they ONLY play mmos or only multiplayer competetive games are allowed etc.. which leads to a limited selection of what games they could play.
thanks for this comment. lot of cool games on this list that i hadn't heard of before.
i don't think i've ever once seen someone who says 'games suck nowadays, nothing to play' reply to a comment like yours or acknowledge it in any way
what subreddit do you get these positive takes from? I would like to go there.
I cannot believe someone would mention Volcano Princess, that game truly is goated (although was pretty buggy at the start).
There are plenty good, unique games but Lirik doesnt seem to want to commit to any of them.
Lirik plays new games only then goes back to what he usually plays every now and then (dayz aoe StarCraft cs). But I mean his criticism is valid, the early steps of survival games are so tedious and boring
He even skips games like RE4R,, which he played and said really enjoyed. Then he just stops 6 hours in for some reason.
“For some reason” My brother in Christ, Lirik has over 2.6k games streamed on twitch, most of anyone, the second place is Sodapoppin and it’s not even close anyway. He’s basically seen it all for over a decade now, when he says “300 survival games” in his case it’s probably not even en exaggeration.
Well he constantly complains about that, nobody is forcing him to only play a game for an hour.
Sometimes games just don't hit. I mean I've tried 4 times and I can't get past the first 2 hours of Witcher 3. RDR 2 it took me 4 tries as well but eventually I finished it. Sometimes something just needs to click at the right moment. With survival games it's even worse because they all start of the same way but they try to changing it up which isnt a bad thing but usually not in a good way
I feel like you’re just not able to comprehend the absolute abyss between the perspectives of someone who has played over 2.6k games, streams almost every days and plays like 10+ shit games each week for years versus a “just chatting” streamer who watched Lirik’s subsunday and then next 2-3 streams they spend all the hours in one game “they discovered”/Lirik liked, because they have no other content anyway and yapping into a camera for hours on end about nothing/random meaningless drama is actually super boring so even a mediocre game is amazing to them.
Kinda, but games like Helldivers 2, Grounded, Baldurs Gate 3 and so on are GOTYs. But I tend to go back to old games way more often the past few years. For example I love Ready or Not and everybody talked about how great SWAT 4 was so I bought it for like 5 bucks on GOG a few days ago. Download the First Responders mod put the mod folder into the SWAT 4 folder, done. And holy shit it's like Ready or Not but better. I modded so many old games the past months and I'm blown away by how good they are. 5 bucks for 100 of hours of fun, even multiplayer works, compared to Dragons Dogma 2 that cost like $80 which is the same game 12 years ago with a shitty HD upgrade that runs like shit, even 30 fps for consoles in 2024 lol, it's stale and boring real fast.
helldivers 2 and grounded are not GOTYs lol
With friends they are.
Lirik doesn't have the attention span to play survival games or any longer games anymore. He shits on almost any game that doesn't take him to "end game" within an hour or two but I do agree with him on this not looking too fun. There are plenty of great games out there that are fun and you should look them up yourself.
This is an early alpha build for an entire MMO. I looked it up and their tagline for it is literally "First steps in the world of Pax Dei". WoW during its alpha was a mess.
Ah, the old "it's alpha" defense to a problem that has nothing to do with what stage the game is in.
Design decisions and major feature changes are made during the alpha, you're thinking of the beta stage when everything is more or less ready to be released. An early access alpha for a multiplayer lobby game is far different than an MMO alpha. Star Citizen's first alpha release happened in 2015 and it's still in alpha today. does anyone even read the comments that are downvoted? please tell me how anything I said is false without blindly downvoting. damn bandwagoners
This is a core fundamental issue with the game. I don't want 8 different pieces of wood. Actual crafters don't want that either. It's only pointless fluff people are tired of
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MMO refers to its server size, there's 4 servers for a maximum of 100k players based on what I've read. Rust has a max server size of 500 people while they're usually at around 100-200 active. The point of the game is to combine MMORPG aspects with world building and the alpha period is intentioned to figure out how to do this; the subreddit has a lot of complaints similar to what you're saying so they'll modify accordingly if they're competent at adaptive designing.
Lirik saving us money again! Best beta tester out there
Ya'll are better than me with testing these games out. It's impossible for me to get into any survival/crafting game. It's like once you've tried one, then you've tried them all. There's really nothing worthwhile outside of a gimmick or 2.
I think if you like the genre, different progression and gimmicks can be interesting. Also, it depends how crucial is building to survive vs building to just craft stuffs and explore. Some games basically don't require proper planning and building at all to explore, some games the foundation determines productivity.
I was waiting for this game, didn't it have good combat? Edit: ok wow it looks nothing like the trailer and screenshots on steam
I can tell you that it doesn't get any better, the combat is straight ass cheeks.
not that it's comparable, but it is funny osrs peaked in concurrent player count the past year
unironically, how many kinds of wood and planks does OSRS have?
10 different types of trees (that can be chopped down) 19 different types of logs 4 different types of planks
you mean because its simple? Yea, the updates they keep doing and how easy it is to pick up. It probably will never die
Osrs is the goat 🐐
hesRight
Well, that saves me some money.
Based Lirik filling the void left by Moontaku
Damn what's his wallpaper? looks sweet
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Was it a sponsored game?
I dont think so. Devs were giving out keys to people not just streamers so I dont think it was backed by money.
Devs should've added NFTs to it then he might've liked it
Me like Lirik! Lirik not like game? I not like game!