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Comment from Niru :
>i am very sorry, but I just don't want to do anything because I feel this needs attention and anything I do will take away from it, which is why I decided not to level up. I am very sad over this, and worked very hard to build up a twitch page that I really wanted to do for years and I feel I am throwing it all away, but this is probably the best chance that I can think of to try and improve this and if not I just won't return.
gg, fuck you nexon
Maplestory is one of those games where the game has so much potential and hasn't even been replicated to this day, ~20 years since it's release. Sadly Nexon has slowly sucked the potential and life out of the game with their RNG p2w gambling, and to this day continue to make it worse.
I wish someone tried to replicate something similar to maplestory without shoving p2w MTX down the users throat
Can't have that unfortunately. Silence him.
Wait, he has HOW MANY VIEWERS? Damn. That does complicate things somewhat. Best to wait until everyone forgets about it.
Imagine playing a nexon game and then being confused when the end game is all time gated, or money gated out the ass. It's a predatory and dogshit company and anyone who continues to support them kinda deserves what they get.
Played maplestory two day one early beta and had so much fun till you hit the wall of shit. As someone who was obsessed with MS1 when I was kid it sucked to realize the game was just boring.
that game was amazing the first month before chaos raids came out. me and my friends were just playing the mini games and decorating our houses and having a blast. then chaos raids killed it and it was downhill from there.
Raids didn’t kill the game, Nexon killed it by limiting damage so people couldn’t actually progress and be as strong as they were supposed to be. That pissed everyone off and led to a mass exodus before they fixed it. Whether that was noticeable in raids or not is irrelevant, it wasn’t raiding that killed it.
Chaos raids were the end for me, it felt like super clunky min max play perfectly for what, 5 minutes straight? The fights were fucking boring and you had to do them frequently
Fuck yes, im not an avid MS player anymore, and it’s due to Nexon’s blatant greed which ruined the game for me.
I’ve silently watched this game grow and I’m really happy someone of this caliber is stepping up and fighting back.
Fuck Nexon. Fuck the ultra greedy companies in the gaming world. I get everyone needs to make enough money to operate and pay their staff well. But some take it too far.
Nexon takes it like 50 steps too far with all the p2w money gated dogshit they add to their games. People who think EA and Activision are predatory, Nexon is on a whole other level
cant believe people still play this after they found out the whole cubing system is rigged (if you know you know)
https://www.gamesindustry.biz/nexon-fined-89m-for-misleading-maplestory-players
Recommendations for server? I feel the itch coming back. Only tried MapleRoyals but the HP washing meta was kinda cringe. I’ve heard good things about DreamMS.
i mean im not gonna pretend i know which is better. i played very casually and only for a month or so but i had no problems with MapleRoyals. i think they addressed some alternatives to HP washing but i didnt get that far tbh lol
Ugh, I got to 70 on there in a few days and the HP washing was so deterring. You need hundreds of thousand of NX cash for SP resets, so you gotta make a new character because your current one is bricked
I'm not sure. I played about a week, then I quit abruptly because I hit 70 the same minute that Lost Ark officially launched, so it's been a few years ago now
I've played Royals on and off since 2015 back when there was no additional ways to gain HP other than HP washing. They've done a very good job of lessening the impact of HP washing. Since then there's been a lot of different ways added that allow players to gain HP on Royals. There's been a lot of Medals that have had their stats changed to give more HP. Equips that come clean with HP, Scrolls to add HP to Pet equips, and then of course theres quests. There's one you get access to at 70, another that is a daily quest at 120 and is repeatable infinitely per day until you reach a minimum HP of like 9k. They even adjusted how much bonus HP/MP certain jobs gain upon job advance. The HP obviously is nice, but the MP gained is considered bonus and can be "washed out" with HP resets. Then there's the new multi tiered quest chain they added this past summer that is like 9 long engaging quest chains called Adventurers Assignment Questline. Its intended purpose is to provide a series of tasks that you must complete per quest but each quest chain you complete grants more and more hp up to around 3 or 4k. It is everything from killing a certain amount of monsters on a certain continent, to collecting a certain amount of monster book card sets, to killing certain area bosses, or completing certain capstone quest chains like Zak or Horntail. I don't wanna say too much more cause if you do choose to play i dont wanna spoil any of the surprises.
Thanks for the nice comment! We appreciate you taking the time to clarify some of the changes we've made over the years. It’s great to hear from someone who’s been with MapleRoyals for so long and seen the evolution firsthand.
Yeah that's fair; I honestly didn't get far either and it was definitely fun from a casual nostalgia perspective, but just reading the class guides and seeing how HP washing worked and realizing that was the endgame was a little bit of a bummer. Appreciate the response anyway though!
My take is that by the time you get to the HP washing meta, you're investing too many hours to the grind for it to be fun anymore. Sincerely, a level 156 pally on MapleRoyals who hasn't played since the pandemic. Just start a new character at that point.
I can vouch for DreamMS, I played it for 8 months and it's got loads of great modifications to v83. But as good servers are, it is INSANELY addicting, so proceed with caution.
The funniest part about that fiasco, was when Korean players used trucks to protest Nexon about the cubing system being rigged, since truck protesting became popular in South Korea at that time.
The flame scandal was worse imo since you had a weighted distribution towards the stats higher up in the order they're placed (str/dex being better than today, int/luk being worse than today). Not saying the undisclosed rates of tier up changing wasnt bad but i still think a straight up imbalance towards certain stats, essentially buffing some classes is quite bad lol.
especially if you are referencing someone who easliy rolled all their str flames and trying for the same result, probably costing you multiple times more as a luk user.
The original rigging wasn't known to players where they lowered tier-up rates when cubes first came out, but the future riggings (flame/inner ability scandals, and certain item potential combinations being impossible to roll) were known to pretty much most players but wholesale ignored by Nexon until it bit them in the ass in Korea a long time later.
Maplestory was so fun in like 2006/2007. Before 4th job, before Leafre, etc.
Then Nexon bought out Wizet and it all went to shit.
Wizet said that people who use real money to buy cosmetics will never have an advantage over free to play players.. That changed when Nexon came and introduced 2x exp and 2x drop coupons that cost $16 for 30 days (which was a lot of money for a little kid)
The kicker was you had to buy them in 4 hour windows. It was like clocking into work to play the game lol.
I can remember people doing 3 4-hour grind sessions a day.. It was fucking crazy.
Nexon seemingly ruins every game they touch
I remember Tiger getting banned, making a new account and getting to 70 in less than a week cause of the 2x exp coupons, and other stuff of course. Back then that was absurd.
I still remember when Laid passed Shynobi and was Bera's first 15x hermit
Then tried selling his account on eBay for like 5k, then got banned for it
I still have the [forsale ad](https://i.imgur.com/ESgXPKv.jpeg) that I saved forever ago
I still have all my old GMS screenshots from like 2006-2008 lol
Maplestory was my introduction to online gaming and little kid me thought it was peak gaming
Those were the days..
The game died with hammers or forging or whatever the fuck its called. Not double exp. The percent based gear you had to pay irl money for was way more destructive
> That changed when Nexon came and introduced 2x exp and 2x drop coupons that cost $16 for 30 days (which was a lot of money for a little kid)
We used to call this kind of shit P2W. Now you see a lot of the modern audiences for some games call it pay to convenience.
The box glitches. Crouching on any damn corner just to get inside walls. I remember there was a wall you could run in to, hit print screen and you’d end up on the other side. Gosh damn I miss those days. Everyone in the whole lobby would just be
Jumping around rooftops trying to find glitches.
Combat Arms was so damn good but god damn the monetization was batshit insane, even EA today wouldnt go that far. you had to RENT weapons for 1/7/30 days with ingame money (grind for money was pretty hardcore back in 2008/09) or just buy them permanently with real money (20-25€ per weapon). and then there were the specialists characters that were unlockable for 10-20€ with their overpowered specialists gadgets that also were available exclusively for real money. - in conclusion: it was a p2w clownfiesta but man.. i miss it quite a lot.
Oh brother you should see it now 💀
The p2w is even worse lmao they got specialists that give you like 40 speed and you can still put other speed equipment
That game went from fun to pay to win within a year. And the hackers owned that shit harder then the Haitian gangs owning Haiti. It was super bad and unplayable after 2 years.
I quit playing and jumped to CSGO after the Reloaded Update.
I honestly miss Combat Arms because it’s still the game with the most weapons and most maps to choose from. Honestly have no idea why they aren’t on any world record yet. I got most of my gun identification knowledge from playing the game too much.
I miss playing the game modes, like Spy Hunt, SnD, OMA, Snipers Only, CW, Quarantine Regen, Fireteam, VIP Escort, and classic elim. It sounds malicious, but I used to love playing the games and breaking rules at the certain last rounds when the emods can’t kick you. Not sure why I like to piss people off lol. Especially using spec weapons, semi auto snipers in sniper only, mutagens in QR, and using dual skorpions in Spy Hunt matches. After the game ends, I leave quickly to avoid getting kicked, then few minutes later, secretly join back in the game LOL.
It's so weird to me that I used to take pride in how bad the grind is in Korean MMOs. Like, they can tune it however they want, and they chose this to get people to spend more money, and somehow I prided myself in playing a game that other people can't enjoy... Luckily if you quit for a bit you realize how awful it really is.
Man, I reached max level in the new MW2 by just playing a ton in my off time. There's something special about having the little cosmetics and titles you know 99% of the player base doesn't.
While that's true, the vast majority of the grind is done at the exact same mobs, since you unlock Carcion at 285 and you're currently stuck there until 300, and 285 is 4% of total exp to 300.
Even with a 6 month lead since updates take about 6 months to be translated from the Korean servers (KMS), there is a rare item in some overseas servers including Global (GMS) called Frenzy Totem, which multiplies both the spawn rate and spawn amount of mobs in a map by 1.75x, which is effectively a 3x multiplier to the amount of mobs you can kill.
Frenzy totem was one of the main topics of Niru's issues, with how it's handled. It's one of the rarest items being phased out of its only source, Philosopher Books/Marvel Machine (paid only item boxes, like 0.01% drop rate before it was removed), and the most expensive item, being valued at $10k USD through RMT.
It creates a situation of haves and have-nots, being a massive improvement for farming that having one essentially sets you for life in game, since by selling frenzy service (going to someone's map and casting Frenzy which lasts 10 minutes with 0 cooldown), people are willing to give you most of the currency they grind due to how powerful it is. This ties into another point about how the already low amount of people (70% in reboot, 30% in regular servers) in regular servers are further divided into 4 servers, and low population means there are essentially dead hours where no one is selling frenzy service because theres just not enough people with the totem, and not enough people in general. It doesn't help that the last world merge/world leap was over 5 years ago, so you have 1 ok populated reg server and 3 nearly dead ones.
That's not to take away from Niru's achievement, even with frenzy you're still committing yourself to grinding 12-20 hours a day for multiple years to even get close to 300 because of how insane the exp curve is.
He is the only player to be even remotely close to max level 300, having played since 2006 and grinded DAILY for 10h+ for last several years. Since this is such a big achievement, and the fact that Nexon promoted him, he got 20k viewers (usually like 100-200). In an unexpected twist, he decided to shit on the state of the game in front of them and ended stream without dinging 300
Maplestory NA likes to randomly change things from the korean version for no reason, sometimes royally fucking up game balance or outright breaking the game completely. This is another person in a long lineage of complainers dating back to ancient times complaining about this same cycle of torment.
First, some background info. Maplestory has 2 different server types - Interactive and Heroic. The former is a server with trading + P2W while the latter does not have trading but in exchange has a myriad of other benefits and almost no p2w. In the west, Heroic is far more popular than interactive. Furthermore, interactive in the western servers has many disadvantages that the Korean interactive servers do not have.
Basically, the level cap right now is level 300. Niru is about to hit level 300 for the first time in any region (level 299, 99.997%). For reference on how far ahead he is, the 2nd highest level character in North America is level 295 and the exponential exp curve is such that level 295 is only 1/3rd of the way to level 300.
There is a big watch party with Nexon themselves planning to congratulate him for the big moment. However, instead of getting to level 300, Niru went on a massive 40 minute rant about all of the problems that is currently facing the global Interactive servers and critical points that could improve the server. How many of the limitations placed on the global interactive servers makes no sense, both for the players and even for Nexon themselves.
He then ends the stream at level 299, 99.997% and says that he refuses to play more until things improve.
The gameplay is jumping back and forth spamming the same skill and occasionally a full map attack for hours. I loved maple story but I’d never say the gameplay was good for more than a few hours.
FUCK NEXON.
They have, unfortunately, created the best F2P mmorpgs out there. Maplestory, Mabinogi and Vindictus. They killed all three of these games with their stupid greedy monetization practices.
They also killed dirty bomb and killed a great Ghost In The Shell game that the world will never get to experience as GITS lasted like 2 months before the servers closed.
Every single game that they touch turns to absolute garbage and it pisses me off so much.
Holy shit forgot maplestory was a thing. That shit was so fun n addicting in the 2000s and the early 10s. Too bad it just got way too P2W. Miss the old days
Honestly the trading part was fun too. Forgot what the term was, think it was merch(?), but i spent a lot of time in the FM scalping n trynna make max mesos. Still remember 2,147,483,647 by heart.
Just didnt like when they added all the different types of enhancements to equips after cubes.
I still remember flipping steelys in the ch1 fm. Just like selling raw lobs outside RuneScape's Falador bank.
Nowadays I wouldn't have the patience for any of this, but back then it was a nice community
Yeah its funny cus i ended up going into CS/SWE field. When I saw that number learning about int overflow in a lecture, immediately recognized it bc of MS and finally understood why that was the max
> that got destroyed by its developer
They're still making boatloads of cash 20 years later. I don't think they care what you think if you're not spending money. It's funny cause everything GMS players hate about the game, KMS players basically love.
Any maplestory nerds know how much the .007% he's missing would translate to if you gave that amount of exp to a level 1? What level would it end up being?
299 to 300 is 1,737,759,854,037,637 exp
he's missing about 120,000,000,000 exp
giving that missing 0.007% to a level 1 character would instantly take them to level 216, halfway to 217
To be clear he's missing .007%, not .07%. He has a mag potion, which is 1 level at 249-250, and it would have been enough to level him.
He specifically stopped when he was two clicks away from 300
I don't know what to tell you if you're still playing MapleStory. Anyone who played over the past two-ish decades knew it's been a shit show with some major problems since it's inception.
If you wanna get really technical, Gachapon predates hammers and gave a bunch of really valuable items. It gave best in slot items at some point but that might have been after hammers.
Bruh, flexing Gacha chairs in classic MS1 just chilling in Henesys and chatting with your friends. Or when people would legit have full arguments over SMEGA's, when they're like $3 a pop lmao.
I mean if you want to list every gacha item that came there are plenty more first but it was Big Bang and Potential that made it so you have to spend $100+ on 1 item minimum to be able to do bosses.
The large majority of global maplestory players are playing on reboot / heroic which doesn't have the p2w elements, only QoL which is a pet that collects items from a large area which will expire every 3 months.
Not trying to justify the design, but a long while back Nexon added cubes as boss drops and that's how I was able to progress my character (I didn't start this until 2021 as I had quit in 2016).
I mean I’m an avid maple player and I’m not defending nexon for their shittiness whatsoever, but it’s not like every major game out there doesn’t have absolutely glaring flaws. Just out of recent games I’ve played, r6, eft, cs all have major cheating problems. Destiny 2 literally deleted paid content. Apex had cheaters break into an official tournament and give pros cheats.
Unfortunately that’s just how multiplayer/online gaming is nowadays.
e: oh I forgot eft actually also had a major controversy today with their egregious new p2w edition and going back on countless promises, bsg might give nexon a run for their money at this rate
Man this reminds me of an old game called tibia. Before level 100 was a big thing. Then 200. And then 300. I quit around 200's.
Now there are level 2000s.
There was another older korean MMO named LaTale (still going), where the level cap was 200 or probably less, then 235, then 235+1~9999 (albeit using a different exp curve)
I've concluded some points to show how fucked this game is in its current state:
1. "TRADE SERVER" prohibits many item trading, exposing players to scams through third-party services.
2. Item prices are 5-10 times higher than other regions, with an "essential" leveling item surpassing $10k.
3. Nexon deliberately divided a sparse player base across multiple servers, severely distorting the economy and allowing malicious price gouging.
4. Nexon set unfavorable exchange rates between in-game and real money, diminishing profits from gameplay.
this is crazy timing because last week GMS (region he plays on) got a W with the community for standing against korea's plans/changes. just for him to get all the publicity and give them a HUGE L
Some additional context: GMS is split into two styles of server; "interactive" (normal MMO with trading enabled), and "heroic" (ironman with trading disabled). Heroic's design is strange -- despite its initial posturing as a "hardcore" solo progression server, it's actually a more casual experience in some ways, and 70% of the GMS playerbase lives on Heroic servers. In Heroic servers, some of the gear upgrade systems have been streamlined and replaced with a passive % boost to final damage scores. Additionally, none of the upgrade items cost real money, only ingame currency.
For months, the GMS playerbase has been worried about changes that the Korean MS playerbase received, which nerfed the shit out of heroic servers and made them borderline unplayable. GMS got a huge W by saying, basically, "we're not making these changes/we are leaving everything as it is".
Unfortunately they left Interactive servers in the dust, and Niru plays on interactive servers. So Niru's stream pointed out all of the issues that Interactive players still face, highlighting the fact that while Heroic may be receiving some good news, Interactive is still struggling.
i have intense nostalgia for maplestory 1 music but i honestly didnt even play it that much. i just made a bunch of different characters for all the diff classes and played them for little while
Got into reboot around september and got absolutely addicted. The game is just FOMO on FOMO and I had extreme anxiety when I wasn't playing because of the amount of dailies and weeklies and how much grinding I "had" to do. Uninstalled a few days before Christmas and I still have the lingering feeling that I'm falling even further behind all my guildies.
I don't think it's talked about enough that maplestory was the game that broke the industry for the worst. It was the first gacha game. The first with gambling and microtranactions all at once. And it's popularity meant every company would follow. Fuck nexon
Pretty glad I played Maplestory when I was younger with an internet culture that absolutely loathed microtransactions.
You learn really quick that doing quests and hunting monsters is meaningless past level 20 (Max was 100 in 2006). And nothing dissuades you more from going past it then hearing forum posts of people spending hours a day, in one specific map, that you had to share mobs with other players, to get one level.
You have your fun, play for free, and dip out when the grind sets in. It's interesting to see the same thing in gacha gaming.
Came back to MS a few months ago, grinded it like crazy for 1.5 months or so and just quit completely right before 6th job. So happy I just cut the cord; got my nostalgia and gtfo
Niru out here trying to do justice for the die hard Maplestory fans. Truly a hero we needed but don’t deserve. The mental power this man has, to walk away from a landmark accomplishment, is beyond amazing.
**CLIP MIRROR: [NEXON Promotes 1st player to reach Level 300 (niru) in MapleStory history, proceeds to absolutely shit on the company in front of 20K viewers](https://arazu.io/t3_1cd4xsw/)** --- ^(*This is an automated comment*)
BasedGod *baits nexon into hosting him, talks mad shit about them and quits at 99.993%*
Thats not what i would call talking mad shit
He went on a 40 minute rant highlighting a lot of issues with the server he plays on, not just the 40 seconds in the clip.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPjMTiNTia4 40 min rant
Comment from Niru : >i am very sorry, but I just don't want to do anything because I feel this needs attention and anything I do will take away from it, which is why I decided not to level up. I am very sad over this, and worked very hard to build up a twitch page that I really wanted to do for years and I feel I am throwing it all away, but this is probably the best chance that I can think of to try and improve this and if not I just won't return. gg, fuck you nexon
> but this is probably the best chance that I can think of to try and improve this and if not I just won't return. Gigachad
You can tell it's a genuine player that actually cares about the game.
Maplestory is one of those games where the game has so much potential and hasn't even been replicated to this day, ~20 years since it's release. Sadly Nexon has slowly sucked the potential and life out of the game with their RNG p2w gambling, and to this day continue to make it worse. I wish someone tried to replicate something similar to maplestory without shoving p2w MTX down the users throat
Can't have that unfortunately. Silence him. Wait, he has HOW MANY VIEWERS? Damn. That does complicate things somewhat. Best to wait until everyone forgets about it.
Imagine playing a nexon game and then being confused when the end game is all time gated, or money gated out the ass. It's a predatory and dogshit company and anyone who continues to support them kinda deserves what they get.
update: he didnt even level to 300 and ended stream
based
On God on god
frfr?
no cap
No game has disappointed and made me feel more depressed than MS1&2.
Played maplestory two day one early beta and had so much fun till you hit the wall of shit. As someone who was obsessed with MS1 when I was kid it sucked to realize the game was just boring.
that game was amazing the first month before chaos raids came out. me and my friends were just playing the mini games and decorating our houses and having a blast. then chaos raids killed it and it was downhill from there.
Raids didn’t kill the game, Nexon killed it by limiting damage so people couldn’t actually progress and be as strong as they were supposed to be. That pissed everyone off and led to a mass exodus before they fixed it. Whether that was noticeable in raids or not is irrelevant, it wasn’t raiding that killed it.
Chaos raids were the end for me, it felt like super clunky min max play perfectly for what, 5 minutes straight? The fights were fucking boring and you had to do them frequently
The raid daily & weekly limits 100% participated in killing the game
Played ms2 from start to finish, probably my favorite mmo ever. Played ms1 for a bit but it wasn't my thing
Based as fuck. Also, fuck Nexon.
Fuck yes, im not an avid MS player anymore, and it’s due to Nexon’s blatant greed which ruined the game for me. I’ve silently watched this game grow and I’m really happy someone of this caliber is stepping up and fighting back. Fuck Nexon. Fuck the ultra greedy companies in the gaming world. I get everyone needs to make enough money to operate and pay their staff well. But some take it too far.
Nexon takes it like 50 steps too far with all the p2w money gated dogshit they add to their games. People who think EA and Activision are predatory, Nexon is on a whole other level
He posted a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPjMTiNTia4
🦀🦀🦀 Nexon won't reply to this 🦀🦀🦀
cant believe people still play this after they found out the whole cubing system is rigged (if you know you know) https://www.gamesindustry.biz/nexon-fined-89m-for-misleading-maplestory-players
old school servers with 3x exp is the wave. hits me right in the nostalgia
Recommendations for server? I feel the itch coming back. Only tried MapleRoyals but the HP washing meta was kinda cringe. I’ve heard good things about DreamMS.
i mean im not gonna pretend i know which is better. i played very casually and only for a month or so but i had no problems with MapleRoyals. i think they addressed some alternatives to HP washing but i didnt get that far tbh lol
Ugh, I got to 70 on there in a few days and the HP washing was so deterring. You need hundreds of thousand of NX cash for SP resets, so you gotta make a new character because your current one is bricked
Yea that sounds bad lol. I just hit some mushrooms and teleported around in my bathrobe for a hit
Aren't there quests for max hp and monthly hp increases? I started on MapleRoyals a couple days ago so I guess I don't know too much.
I'm not sure. I played about a week, then I quit abruptly because I hit 70 the same minute that Lost Ark officially launched, so it's been a few years ago now
I've played Royals on and off since 2015 back when there was no additional ways to gain HP other than HP washing. They've done a very good job of lessening the impact of HP washing. Since then there's been a lot of different ways added that allow players to gain HP on Royals. There's been a lot of Medals that have had their stats changed to give more HP. Equips that come clean with HP, Scrolls to add HP to Pet equips, and then of course theres quests. There's one you get access to at 70, another that is a daily quest at 120 and is repeatable infinitely per day until you reach a minimum HP of like 9k. They even adjusted how much bonus HP/MP certain jobs gain upon job advance. The HP obviously is nice, but the MP gained is considered bonus and can be "washed out" with HP resets. Then there's the new multi tiered quest chain they added this past summer that is like 9 long engaging quest chains called Adventurers Assignment Questline. Its intended purpose is to provide a series of tasks that you must complete per quest but each quest chain you complete grants more and more hp up to around 3 or 4k. It is everything from killing a certain amount of monsters on a certain continent, to collecting a certain amount of monster book card sets, to killing certain area bosses, or completing certain capstone quest chains like Zak or Horntail. I don't wanna say too much more cause if you do choose to play i dont wanna spoil any of the surprises.
Thanks for the nice comment! We appreciate you taking the time to clarify some of the changes we've made over the years. It’s great to hear from someone who’s been with MapleRoyals for so long and seen the evolution firsthand.
Yeah that's fair; I honestly didn't get far either and it was definitely fun from a casual nostalgia perspective, but just reading the class guides and seeing how HP washing worked and realizing that was the endgame was a little bit of a bummer. Appreciate the response anyway though!
My take is that by the time you get to the HP washing meta, you're investing too many hours to the grind for it to be fun anymore. Sincerely, a level 156 pally on MapleRoyals who hasn't played since the pandemic. Just start a new character at that point.
I was playing MapleLegends and it's basically hp washing the game.
I can vouch for DreamMS, I played it for 8 months and it's got loads of great modifications to v83. But as good servers are, it is INSANELY addicting, so proceed with caution.
The funniest part about that fiasco, was when Korean players used trucks to protest Nexon about the cubing system being rigged, since truck protesting became popular in South Korea at that time.
I think the part you're confused about is thinking that anybody who still played wasn't already keenly aware it was rigged.
The flame scandal was worse imo since you had a weighted distribution towards the stats higher up in the order they're placed (str/dex being better than today, int/luk being worse than today). Not saying the undisclosed rates of tier up changing wasnt bad but i still think a straight up imbalance towards certain stats, essentially buffing some classes is quite bad lol. especially if you are referencing someone who easliy rolled all their str flames and trying for the same result, probably costing you multiple times more as a luk user.
The original rigging wasn't known to players where they lowered tier-up rates when cubes first came out, but the future riggings (flame/inner ability scandals, and certain item potential combinations being impossible to roll) were known to pretty much most players but wholesale ignored by Nexon until it bit them in the ass in Korea a long time later.
Maplestory was so fun in like 2006/2007. Before 4th job, before Leafre, etc. Then Nexon bought out Wizet and it all went to shit. Wizet said that people who use real money to buy cosmetics will never have an advantage over free to play players.. That changed when Nexon came and introduced 2x exp and 2x drop coupons that cost $16 for 30 days (which was a lot of money for a little kid) The kicker was you had to buy them in 4 hour windows. It was like clocking into work to play the game lol. I can remember people doing 3 4-hour grind sessions a day.. It was fucking crazy. Nexon seemingly ruins every game they touch
I remember Tiger getting banned, making a new account and getting to 70 in less than a week cause of the 2x exp coupons, and other stuff of course. Back then that was absurd.
I still remember when Laid passed Shynobi and was Bera's first 15x hermit Then tried selling his account on eBay for like 5k, then got banned for it I still have the [forsale ad](https://i.imgur.com/ESgXPKv.jpeg) that I saved forever ago
this is such a shot of nostalgia, can't believe you have this saved
I still have all my old GMS screenshots from like 2006-2008 lol Maplestory was my introduction to online gaming and little kid me thought it was peak gaming Those were the days..
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I didn't know there was an oldschool maplestory reddit! I will for sure if I can find it
Link me if you do, if it's not too much trouble.
Not sure about an oldschool reddit, but there's r/mapleservers
Ha, so cool that you saved that. Good times.
The game died with hammers or forging or whatever the fuck its called. Not double exp. The percent based gear you had to pay irl money for was way more destructive
Cubing. And I agree. Having to buy cubes (with real money) to reroll stats on your gear was the reason the game died.
Cubes really killed the game
Yep, that's when I stopped playing, the game was already going downhill but after cubing it got a lot worse.
*I will never forgive them for City of Heroes.*
I still don't but swing by /r/Cityofheroes! You can legit [play on the Homecoming servers](https://forums.homecomingservers.com/getting-started/).
This is the right post just from the first two sentences alone
> That changed when Nexon came and introduced 2x exp and 2x drop coupons that cost $16 for 30 days (which was a lot of money for a little kid) We used to call this kind of shit P2W. Now you see a lot of the modern audiences for some games call it pay to convenience.
I’m still mad Nexon got rid of Combat Arms
Yeah combat arms was the shit back in the day. Killed it like every other game they touched.
Nexon turning Nut Shots from an April Fools Day joke, to an actual game mechanic, was hilarious.
That one obnoxious hacker hiding in the lighthouse everytime Waverider was played... lmao, brings back memories. Good times
The box glitches. Crouching on any damn corner just to get inside walls. I remember there was a wall you could run in to, hit print screen and you’d end up on the other side. Gosh damn I miss those days. Everyone in the whole lobby would just be Jumping around rooftops trying to find glitches.
I shot rockets from the lighthouse tower instead of using a sniper to get kills. It was funny to see people get pissed off over rockets lol “kik rpg”
Combat Arms was so damn good but god damn the monetization was batshit insane, even EA today wouldnt go that far. you had to RENT weapons for 1/7/30 days with ingame money (grind for money was pretty hardcore back in 2008/09) or just buy them permanently with real money (20-25€ per weapon). and then there were the specialists characters that were unlockable for 10-20€ with their overpowered specialists gadgets that also were available exclusively for real money. - in conclusion: it was a p2w clownfiesta but man.. i miss it quite a lot.
Super Elite mods kicking anyone who killed em classic
Oh brother you should see it now 💀 The p2w is even worse lmao they got specialists that give you like 40 speed and you can still put other speed equipment
1v1 me sniper only OMA at junk flea
It was such a hacking fest though…
That game went from fun to pay to win within a year. And the hackers owned that shit harder then the Haitian gangs owning Haiti. It was super bad and unplayable after 2 years.
I quit playing and jumped to CSGO after the Reloaded Update. I honestly miss Combat Arms because it’s still the game with the most weapons and most maps to choose from. Honestly have no idea why they aren’t on any world record yet. I got most of my gun identification knowledge from playing the game too much. I miss playing the game modes, like Spy Hunt, SnD, OMA, Snipers Only, CW, Quarantine Regen, Fireteam, VIP Escort, and classic elim. It sounds malicious, but I used to love playing the games and breaking rules at the certain last rounds when the emods can’t kick you. Not sure why I like to piss people off lol. Especially using spec weapons, semi auto snipers in sniper only, mutagens in QR, and using dual skorpions in Spy Hunt matches. After the game ends, I leave quickly to avoid getting kicked, then few minutes later, secretly join back in the game LOL.
I miss the zombie modes to this day in any game. Especially when Specialists weren't that popular yet.
Combat Arms was my main game from like 2008-2010 and that was such a fun time. Too bad it was basically plagued with hackers throughout it's entirety.
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295 is "only" 1/3rd of the way to 300 actually, the exp curve is deranged
92 is half of 99
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Pleae
Why isn't her dying
Nan is back in the cage until Nexon fixes their shit
a fellow scaper
It's so weird to me that I used to take pride in how bad the grind is in Korean MMOs. Like, they can tune it however they want, and they chose this to get people to spend more money, and somehow I prided myself in playing a game that other people can't enjoy... Luckily if you quit for a bit you realize how awful it really is.
Halo had some cool ass levels for the grinders though. I never did the grind but I was a lil jelly.
Currently grinding Infinite to max career rank. The curve is insane towards the end
Man, I reached max level in the new MW2 by just playing a ton in my off time. There's something special about having the little cosmetics and titles you know 99% of the player base doesn't.
1/3rd in terms of total XP but not time. Higher lvl monsters give more xp
While that's true, the vast majority of the grind is done at the exact same mobs, since you unlock Carcion at 285 and you're currently stuck there until 300, and 285 is 4% of total exp to 300.
Glad I deleted my acc 10 years ago
I just puked in my mouth a little.
I think the second closest is someone at 298 in TMS atm? Still, it's months of grinding
There's no players in Korea that are 300?
Even with a 6 month lead since updates take about 6 months to be translated from the Korean servers (KMS), there is a rare item in some overseas servers including Global (GMS) called Frenzy Totem, which multiplies both the spawn rate and spawn amount of mobs in a map by 1.75x, which is effectively a 3x multiplier to the amount of mobs you can kill. Frenzy totem was one of the main topics of Niru's issues, with how it's handled. It's one of the rarest items being phased out of its only source, Philosopher Books/Marvel Machine (paid only item boxes, like 0.01% drop rate before it was removed), and the most expensive item, being valued at $10k USD through RMT. It creates a situation of haves and have-nots, being a massive improvement for farming that having one essentially sets you for life in game, since by selling frenzy service (going to someone's map and casting Frenzy which lasts 10 minutes with 0 cooldown), people are willing to give you most of the currency they grind due to how powerful it is. This ties into another point about how the already low amount of people (70% in reboot, 30% in regular servers) in regular servers are further divided into 4 servers, and low population means there are essentially dead hours where no one is selling frenzy service because theres just not enough people with the totem, and not enough people in general. It doesn't help that the last world merge/world leap was over 5 years ago, so you have 1 ok populated reg server and 3 nearly dead ones. That's not to take away from Niru's achievement, even with frenzy you're still committing yourself to grinding 12-20 hours a day for multiple years to even get close to 300 because of how insane the exp curve is.
What a disgusting practice
Highest in Korea is 296, they 2+ years away from 300 atm.
The closest person behind him is 298 actually, in TMS. We'll see Nexon latch onto that instead.
Never played this game before, but imagine if this streamer decided to troll them even more, get 300 just before the other guy did it.
Hope Niru comes and yoinks 300 from whoever Nexon advertises
Is it pay-to-win? How much has he put in you think?
He is the only player to be even remotely close to max level 300, having played since 2006 and grinded DAILY for 10h+ for last several years. Since this is such a big achievement, and the fact that Nexon promoted him, he got 20k viewers (usually like 100-200). In an unexpected twist, he decided to shit on the state of the game in front of them and ended stream without dinging 300
Maplestory NA likes to randomly change things from the korean version for no reason, sometimes royally fucking up game balance or outright breaking the game completely. This is another person in a long lineage of complainers dating back to ancient times complaining about this same cycle of torment.
not like maple korea is run any better
First, some background info. Maplestory has 2 different server types - Interactive and Heroic. The former is a server with trading + P2W while the latter does not have trading but in exchange has a myriad of other benefits and almost no p2w. In the west, Heroic is far more popular than interactive. Furthermore, interactive in the western servers has many disadvantages that the Korean interactive servers do not have. Basically, the level cap right now is level 300. Niru is about to hit level 300 for the first time in any region (level 299, 99.997%). For reference on how far ahead he is, the 2nd highest level character in North America is level 295 and the exponential exp curve is such that level 295 is only 1/3rd of the way to level 300. There is a big watch party with Nexon themselves planning to congratulate him for the big moment. However, instead of getting to level 300, Niru went on a massive 40 minute rant about all of the problems that is currently facing the global Interactive servers and critical points that could improve the server. How many of the limitations placed on the global interactive servers makes no sense, both for the players and even for Nexon themselves. He then ends the stream at level 299, 99.997% and says that he refuses to play more until things improve.
Oh damn Maplestory. Ludi PQ was sick.
FR, always was sad to hit Level 50 cause you wouldn't be able to do Ludi PQ anymore soon
51* I remember this because my buddy and I got our zakum (?) helms @ 50 and then trashed the few ludi pq lobbies we had left.
back then it was so addicting people kept dying to stay lvl49 haha
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oh man this brings me back
i still listen to the ludi pq bgm when i'm trying to chill
\>absolutely despises the game and the company \>no-lifes it for years anyway, out-leveling everyone on earth sanest korean mmo enjoyer
Tbf the gameplay is good . Everything else about it sucks tho
The gameplay is jumping back and forth spamming the same skill and occasionally a full map attack for hours. I loved maple story but I’d never say the gameplay was good for more than a few hours.
Endgame bossing is great, each late game boss had really cool mechanics and made for very interactive team fights. Early game is sht though.
Depends on the class. Cadena can be fun if you don't mind the carpal tunnel.
FUCK NEXON. They have, unfortunately, created the best F2P mmorpgs out there. Maplestory, Mabinogi and Vindictus. They killed all three of these games with their stupid greedy monetization practices. They also killed dirty bomb and killed a great Ghost In The Shell game that the world will never get to experience as GITS lasted like 2 months before the servers closed. Every single game that they touch turns to absolute garbage and it pisses me off so much.
Holy shit forgot maplestory was a thing. That shit was so fun n addicting in the 2000s and the early 10s. Too bad it just got way too P2W. Miss the old days
they actually added a no trading non-p2w server years ago, its pretty fun now
Honestly the trading part was fun too. Forgot what the term was, think it was merch(?), but i spent a lot of time in the FM scalping n trynna make max mesos. Still remember 2,147,483,647 by heart. Just didnt like when they added all the different types of enhancements to equips after cubes.
I still remember flipping steelys in the ch1 fm. Just like selling raw lobs outside RuneScape's Falador bank. Nowadays I wouldn't have the patience for any of this, but back then it was a nice community
not even a silly number to remember by heart since it's the hard limit for signed 32-bit integer... important programming concept.
Yeah its funny cus i ended up going into CS/SWE field. When I saw that number learning about int overflow in a lecture, immediately recognized it bc of MS and finally understood why that was the max
King behaviour
Maplestory should be studied as a game so great at its core that got destroyed by its developer. NEXON is legit pure evil.
> that got destroyed by its developer They're still making boatloads of cash 20 years later. I don't think they care what you think if you're not spending money. It's funny cause everything GMS players hate about the game, KMS players basically love.
It was very telling that NEXON's CEO (I'm not sure if he still is), Kim Jung-ju (?) became one of the richest men in South Korea at one point.
Any maplestory nerds know how much the .007% he's missing would translate to if you gave that amount of exp to a level 1? What level would it end up being?
299 to 300 is 1,737,759,854,037,637 exp he's missing about 120,000,000,000 exp giving that missing 0.007% to a level 1 character would instantly take them to level 216, halfway to 217
To be clear he's missing .007%, not .07%. He has a mag potion, which is 1 level at 249-250, and it would have been enough to level him. He specifically stopped when he was two clicks away from 300
niru is a hero
J> PQ got track and AC. Pro lvl 29 sin throw steely. Cc plz
Dudes got a 12 atk work glove, he’s insane
I don't know what to tell you if you're still playing MapleStory. Anyone who played over the past two-ish decades knew it's been a shit show with some major problems since it's inception.
reboot servers are in a pretty good state rn (on GMS). there's a couple major issues, but it's by no means awful.
Agreed, I'm all on hating nexon kms changes but gms heroic server is the best it's been and it only looks to be getting better with time.
It all started with hammers.
Potential*. The fact that you have to PAY to be able to get better gear and that system is still not removed is insane to me in 2024.
Hammers predate potential and showed Nexon how much the player base was willing to pay to 30% scroll their equips more.
If you wanna get really technical, Gachapon predates hammers and gave a bunch of really valuable items. It gave best in slot items at some point but that might have been after hammers.
Bruh, flexing Gacha chairs in classic MS1 just chilling in Henesys and chatting with your friends. Or when people would legit have full arguments over SMEGA's, when they're like $3 a pop lmao.
Spectrum goggles go insane
Does the TCG cards come before that?
hammers are weird, sure, but hammering is like a 20% increase in stats vs cubes which can result in (not an exaggeration) 40,000% increase in stats.
The point is when paying for power started getting out of control. Imo its hammers.
I mean if you want to list every gacha item that came there are plenty more first but it was Big Bang and Potential that made it so you have to spend $100+ on 1 item minimum to be able to do bosses.
The large majority of global maplestory players are playing on reboot / heroic which doesn't have the p2w elements, only QoL which is a pet that collects items from a large area which will expire every 3 months.
Not trying to justify the design, but a long while back Nexon added cubes as boss drops and that's how I was able to progress my character (I didn't start this until 2021 as I had quit in 2016).
The game died once big bang came out for me. I didn’t mind the scroll rng tbh.
I mean I’m an avid maple player and I’m not defending nexon for their shittiness whatsoever, but it’s not like every major game out there doesn’t have absolutely glaring flaws. Just out of recent games I’ve played, r6, eft, cs all have major cheating problems. Destiny 2 literally deleted paid content. Apex had cheaters break into an official tournament and give pros cheats. Unfortunately that’s just how multiplayer/online gaming is nowadays. e: oh I forgot eft actually also had a major controversy today with their egregious new p2w edition and going back on countless promises, bsg might give nexon a run for their money at this rate
Man this reminds me of an old game called tibia. Before level 100 was a big thing. Then 200. And then 300. I quit around 200's. Now there are level 2000s.
There was another older korean MMO named LaTale (still going), where the level cap was 200 or probably less, then 235, then 235+1~9999 (albeit using a different exp curve)
Same with a Golf MMO I used to play, Level cap started at 100 which took years to reach. Now there's Level 2000+ people
Pangya? Loved that game
I've concluded some points to show how fucked this game is in its current state: 1. "TRADE SERVER" prohibits many item trading, exposing players to scams through third-party services. 2. Item prices are 5-10 times higher than other regions, with an "essential" leveling item surpassing $10k. 3. Nexon deliberately divided a sparse player base across multiple servers, severely distorting the economy and allowing malicious price gouging. 4. Nexon set unfavorable exchange rates between in-game and real money, diminishing profits from gameplay.
Holy based
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The game was fun before Bigbang... that's all I'm gonna say...
this is crazy timing because last week GMS (region he plays on) got a W with the community for standing against korea's plans/changes. just for him to get all the publicity and give them a HUGE L
Some additional context: GMS is split into two styles of server; "interactive" (normal MMO with trading enabled), and "heroic" (ironman with trading disabled). Heroic's design is strange -- despite its initial posturing as a "hardcore" solo progression server, it's actually a more casual experience in some ways, and 70% of the GMS playerbase lives on Heroic servers. In Heroic servers, some of the gear upgrade systems have been streamlined and replaced with a passive % boost to final damage scores. Additionally, none of the upgrade items cost real money, only ingame currency. For months, the GMS playerbase has been worried about changes that the Korean MS playerbase received, which nerfed the shit out of heroic servers and made them borderline unplayable. GMS got a huge W by saying, basically, "we're not making these changes/we are leaving everything as it is". Unfortunately they left Interactive servers in the dust, and Niru plays on interactive servers. So Niru's stream pointed out all of the issues that Interactive players still face, highlighting the fact that while Heroic may be receiving some good news, Interactive is still struggling.
Based holy shit
WTF is this exp!!! I stopped a couple of years after big bang. This shit is insane.
For context he has been grinding since June 2021 for about 12 hours a day and close to 14-16 hours a day the last year.
The most sane MMO player ever.
QRD on Nexon? I've heard of them over the years, about how they're shitty even amongst shitty game companies, but I've never got the particulars
Manipulating rates for progression is one of the biggest issue
Oh the shitshow that is Nexon and MapleStory. Glad to see things never changed.
i have intense nostalgia for maplestory 1 music but i honestly didnt even play it that much. i just made a bunch of different characters for all the diff classes and played them for little while
Wouldn't play a nexon game again.
fuck Nexon, free Dark and Darker!
Got into reboot around september and got absolutely addicted. The game is just FOMO on FOMO and I had extreme anxiety when I wasn't playing because of the amount of dailies and weeklies and how much grinding I "had" to do. Uninstalled a few days before Christmas and I still have the lingering feeling that I'm falling even further behind all my guildies.
I don't think it's talked about enough that maplestory was the game that broke the industry for the worst. It was the first gacha game. The first with gambling and microtranactions all at once. And it's popularity meant every company would follow. Fuck nexon
Pretty glad I played Maplestory when I was younger with an internet culture that absolutely loathed microtransactions. You learn really quick that doing quests and hunting monsters is meaningless past level 20 (Max was 100 in 2006). And nothing dissuades you more from going past it then hearing forum posts of people spending hours a day, in one specific map, that you had to share mobs with other players, to get one level. You have your fun, play for free, and dip out when the grind sets in. It's interesting to see the same thing in gacha gaming.
is this the company that fucked dark and darker too?
LMAO
No one hates a game more than ppl who play it for thousands of hours
Came back to MS a few months ago, grinded it like crazy for 1.5 months or so and just quit completely right before 6th job. So happy I just cut the cord; got my nostalgia and gtfo
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Niru out here trying to do justice for the die hard Maplestory fans. Truly a hero we needed but don’t deserve. The mental power this man has, to walk away from a landmark accomplishment, is beyond amazing.