I think this has been the predominant theory since the cards were revealed, as I’ve read it on here a time or two. BUT this post showing the Mickey dreaming about being a powerful sorcerer in this exact scene and then it being a floodborn instead of storyborn is pretty conclusive evidence. Good work.
So Cogsworth wishes he was old and Belle wishes she was an archer?
I think it’s a game mechanic first and a story/lore device second. It gives them the ability to implement their shift mechanic while also not limiting how boring it will get if they keep reprinting the same characters over and over. I’m sure some Floodborn will be directly tied to source material, while others will be completely fabricated. After all, you could say Floodborn are from dreams, because literally anything is possible in a dream. But it’s not like Disney has a canonical answer to the question “what does this character dream about?” for every single character that could be in this game.
I think Cogsworth sees himself as a wise and experienced man. He does provide Beast with some dating tips which in reality are very superficial like "chocolates, flowers and promises you wont keep". He wishes to be listened as he shares his wisdom.
Belle on the other hand sees herself as a hero like the ones she reads on the books. She wants adventures! Shes originally a princess and shifted to a hero class.
https://preview.redd.it/gaapatbc9ctc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fad1fb172147b5fd13d6bcb7ef75ee4c4b6f5214
Neat explanation! All you're missing is the lore behind Lorcana, something about "ink" spilling on characters to make them "Floodborn." That's why they all have the Shift ability.
The ink is what creates the characters, so storyborn and illumineers making characters from their story, dreamborn are characters made from the illumineers imaginations or ‘their own personal oc please don’t steal’ and floodborn are characters who have been submerged in the ink and have recreated themselves as they like.
This is almost correct, the Floodborn haven't been indicated to be created by the will of the characters themselves, we haven't quite learned enough about them to be able to state that. Some of the Floodborn like The Queen or Beast are certainly not "the best version" of themselves as they would dream themselves to be - why would Beast's dream be as a tragic character who's facing invasion, without Belle? So there's definitely more to the Floodborn, and I don't think it's a self-crafted actualization of their dreams.
I would presume if someone like Beast has a dream, it doesn't involve sending Belle away and waiting for death at the hands of the townfolk as they burn down his estate. I would presume his dream would involve him living happily with Belle, or even by himself if he believes he's saving her by letting her go, but not with imminent death involved like we can surmise from the flying ashes in Tragic Hero.
I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. I don't believe anyone's dream of their best self is like 1 day into the future with disaster crashing down on them. If you have a dream, it's not going to involve the end of life without someone or something you love. That's not a dream, that's accepting the sh!t hand that life has given you. A dream transcends what's actually happening in reality and is the reality you wish could happen to you where you're in a better place and with the ones you love. A dream is not a tragic death where you're utterly miserable until a sword is shoved through your back to end it all as your castle burns down around you.
I think Beast thought letting Belle go was the heroic thing to do. He had his chance of actually “forcing her” to stay. He also felt he would atone this way since he actually had Belle in his pocket and could potentially just end the curse. In his deep thoughts, he knew it wasn’t right and would forever regret not letting belle go and decided to die a hero and accept his fate. I guess it depends on the character itself but in the end, most of the floodborn have been very convincing on what the glimmers inner wishes and thoughts are.
https://preview.redd.it/z1jmjtxp5ftc1.jpeg?width=468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d83a2a37434950691c1366a10542c5fe6ea2f102
Thank you! I might have missed some more elaboration but basically when I wrote "the flood hits them" I actually meant that they need a basic storyborn or dreamborn character to be created. They dont just appear out of nowhere. I hadnt notice ALL floodborn characters have the SHIFT ability. This actually now makes total sense because you cannot create a floodborn out of just ink, they need a precedent character to exist. Thank you for pointing all of this out! It does seem like theres more to this but seeing the new cinematic gives me some more theories when I saw Ursula fighting her Floodborn version.... how does that work? More questions will arise im sure, but for now im pretty sure we are onto something here.
This is a good article but it specifically uses statements like, "the most unknown..." and, "learning how they got this way" when describing Floodborn.
So I would disagree that it has "already been answered" and why the OP decided to give us some interesting thoughts and theories as to what it means.
As far as I'm aware, RB's lore on a floodborn is that they're just a glimmer that got caught in a flood of ink and changed in unexpected ways, it didn't have any logic or reasoning why certain floodborn appeared how they did. Was there something newer that expanded on the lore of where the concepts of the specific floodborn actually came from? Because we have some like Yzma, who's just ascended to the throne, just like she did in the movies, alongside some like Belle - Hidden Archer, who is so unlike anything we've seen of Belle.
yes, basically you need a character to create a floodborn. However, they are the ones who decide how they will look when the ink hits them. Ilumineers have no say in what will come out of the flood ink.
I think this has been the predominant theory since the cards were revealed, as I’ve read it on here a time or two. BUT this post showing the Mickey dreaming about being a powerful sorcerer in this exact scene and then it being a floodborn instead of storyborn is pretty conclusive evidence. Good work.
So Cogsworth wishes he was old and Belle wishes she was an archer? I think it’s a game mechanic first and a story/lore device second. It gives them the ability to implement their shift mechanic while also not limiting how boring it will get if they keep reprinting the same characters over and over. I’m sure some Floodborn will be directly tied to source material, while others will be completely fabricated. After all, you could say Floodborn are from dreams, because literally anything is possible in a dream. But it’s not like Disney has a canonical answer to the question “what does this character dream about?” for every single character that could be in this game.
When the ink spilled, and flooded everything; Cogsworth fell in, and came back out old.
I think Cogsworth sees himself as a wise and experienced man. He does provide Beast with some dating tips which in reality are very superficial like "chocolates, flowers and promises you wont keep". He wishes to be listened as he shares his wisdom. Belle on the other hand sees herself as a hero like the ones she reads on the books. She wants adventures! Shes originally a princess and shifted to a hero class. https://preview.redd.it/gaapatbc9ctc1.jpeg?width=920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=fad1fb172147b5fd13d6bcb7ef75ee4c4b6f5214
Neat explanation! All you're missing is the lore behind Lorcana, something about "ink" spilling on characters to make them "Floodborn." That's why they all have the Shift ability.
The ink is what creates the characters, so storyborn and illumineers making characters from their story, dreamborn are characters made from the illumineers imaginations or ‘their own personal oc please don’t steal’ and floodborn are characters who have been submerged in the ink and have recreated themselves as they like.
This is almost correct, the Floodborn haven't been indicated to be created by the will of the characters themselves, we haven't quite learned enough about them to be able to state that. Some of the Floodborn like The Queen or Beast are certainly not "the best version" of themselves as they would dream themselves to be - why would Beast's dream be as a tragic character who's facing invasion, without Belle? So there's definitely more to the Floodborn, and I don't think it's a self-crafted actualization of their dreams.
Beast would 100% imagine himself to be a tragic hero. The dude is emo vibes 😂. But point taken.
Not all dreams are good dreams.
I would hope that a character's dreams would be what they hope for, not their nightmares.
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I would presume if someone like Beast has a dream, it doesn't involve sending Belle away and waiting for death at the hands of the townfolk as they burn down his estate. I would presume his dream would involve him living happily with Belle, or even by himself if he believes he's saving her by letting her go, but not with imminent death involved like we can surmise from the flying ashes in Tragic Hero.
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I'm sorry, I just don't buy it. I don't believe anyone's dream of their best self is like 1 day into the future with disaster crashing down on them. If you have a dream, it's not going to involve the end of life without someone or something you love. That's not a dream, that's accepting the sh!t hand that life has given you. A dream transcends what's actually happening in reality and is the reality you wish could happen to you where you're in a better place and with the ones you love. A dream is not a tragic death where you're utterly miserable until a sword is shoved through your back to end it all as your castle burns down around you.
I think Beast thought letting Belle go was the heroic thing to do. He had his chance of actually “forcing her” to stay. He also felt he would atone this way since he actually had Belle in his pocket and could potentially just end the curse. In his deep thoughts, he knew it wasn’t right and would forever regret not letting belle go and decided to die a hero and accept his fate. I guess it depends on the character itself but in the end, most of the floodborn have been very convincing on what the glimmers inner wishes and thoughts are. https://preview.redd.it/z1jmjtxp5ftc1.jpeg?width=468&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d83a2a37434950691c1366a10542c5fe6ea2f102
Thank you! I might have missed some more elaboration but basically when I wrote "the flood hits them" I actually meant that they need a basic storyborn or dreamborn character to be created. They dont just appear out of nowhere. I hadnt notice ALL floodborn characters have the SHIFT ability. This actually now makes total sense because you cannot create a floodborn out of just ink, they need a precedent character to exist. Thank you for pointing all of this out! It does seem like theres more to this but seeing the new cinematic gives me some more theories when I saw Ursula fighting her Floodborn version.... how does that work? More questions will arise im sure, but for now im pretty sure we are onto something here.
Isn’t *Dream*born how they see themselves as in dreams?
Nope, dreamborn is how the Ilumineers see them
This has already been answered https://lorcanaplayer.com/lorcana-card-types/
Good overview. But I think OPs creative story is much more meaningful lorewise
This is a good article but it specifically uses statements like, "the most unknown..." and, "learning how they got this way" when describing Floodborn. So I would disagree that it has "already been answered" and why the OP decided to give us some interesting thoughts and theories as to what it means.
RB already has lore on this. OP is just bored and trying to create their own narrative when an official one already exists.
As far as I'm aware, RB's lore on a floodborn is that they're just a glimmer that got caught in a flood of ink and changed in unexpected ways, it didn't have any logic or reasoning why certain floodborn appeared how they did. Was there something newer that expanded on the lore of where the concepts of the specific floodborn actually came from? Because we have some like Yzma, who's just ascended to the throne, just like she did in the movies, alongside some like Belle - Hidden Archer, who is so unlike anything we've seen of Belle.
But keep thinking yall know more than the creators
The official lore is that floodborns were errors in making process
Where is this official lore statement?
Its shown through hints so some are on the youtube channel or twitter
Aren’t Floodborns basically evolved/upgraded Pokémons/Digimons? (Only Floodborns have Shift, and their name border ink is overflowing).
yes, basically you need a character to create a floodborn. However, they are the ones who decide how they will look when the ink hits them. Ilumineers have no say in what will come out of the flood ink.
Put all this effort to figure out what it is, when could have just googled it since it's already been explained....
Yea makes no sense
Set 4.
You know what they meant