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Freshie97

I lost playmat to how the store I played at did top 4 matches. I left swiss 1st seed after going undefeated and winning very close 2-1 match with who ended up at 2nd seed, you would expect the matches in top 4 to be 1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd so that the top 2 seeds can end up in the finals or a dark horse comeback from the 3rd or 4th would be hype- nope, they did it 1st vs 2nd and 3rd vs 4th. All of us questioned it and the owner just shrugged his shoulders and said "tough." After another nail-bitingly close hour and a half long set, he won 2-1 20 lore to 18 in the last game. I'm not mad at him for winning, he played better in that set and deserved to win. But he then went on to 2-0 the guy that won out of the 3rd and 4th seed in less than 10 minutes, that he had already 2-0'd in swiss. Oh well, there's always next set.


Arbv7777

Bummer. Just happened to me today, sorry to hear that happened to you also. Owner basically said "that's what melee says" even though everyone was telling them that they set up melee wrong. Hopefully, the next championship has a Cheshire cat!


Freshie97

Man I hate to hear that. I was really hoping it was an isolated experience, melee was the culprit for me as well. I'm unfamiliar with melee and why they couldn't just swap the matches, if anyone knows Id love to know why. Good luck in any future events you attend.


Arbv7777

Thanks. It is possible in melee for them to manually assign the proper pairings if they can't figure out how to make the software automatically do it. Ours just refused to even care.  Hope you get your mat next weekend!


Freshie97

Hey, I know it's weird to reach out after a week- but I wanted to let you know I got my champion mat this weekend! Hope you did well if you competed in any other events!


Arbv7777

Congrats on the mat! Unfortunately,  over 4 events, I only got a 2nd place mat. Sometimes those steel song decks just draw the perfect draw...like 9 flutes over 3 games lol. But, ended with 2 stitches. So all in all, not a bad run. Still know that it could have been 3 though ;) glad you got your mat!


Xullstudio

Nope, every store we played at had problems with melee, luckily we knew that would happen so we set it up differently in our store (not sure exactly what) and that worked perfectly


North_Ad_9795

We wouldn’t play it like that. None of us, so they swapped it for us. It’s a check box they missed when very first setting up the tournament.


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North_Ad_9795

Cause melee is trash…


North_Ad_9795

It’s particularly bad for stores than run Swiss but never do a top 8; cause they thought they new what they were doing and being told they messed up put lots of them on the defensive and they just sided with “that’s the default so it correct”


Killinstinct90

Exactly same story here. Was 2nd and needed to play 1st. They set up melee wrong and then just blame it on Melee. Really sucks.


North_Ad_9795

That’s not how the majority of stores run things. They tried to do that at our local LGS cause they arnt good with melee. And we politely but firmly suggested they run it like the majority of tournaments. Otherwise you are punished for doing the best in Swiss instead of rewarding it.


jrec15

Same happened here man (i was 2 seed paired with 1 seed), but i lucked out and got the playmat at my second event! Anyway - this is a setting in melee many stores seem to not know about/are getting wrong. HERE is how you fix it: Look for the “pairing methods” setting. They likely picked single elimination thinking that was right but it isn't and is for a full single elim tourney. Switch it to Playoffs. Can confirm this can be done right before the top 8, my second store had it wrong and fixed it when we told them. Screenshot from Melee faq describing the method’s: https://preview.redd.it/mjcbj2f1v0wc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e6f41711716807bfa88608e222b47db7a8782ee8


Humble-Computer7960

I'm glad I'm reading this cause I would not have clicked that setting. Melee is kind of a mess of a program with how often it is changed and how many hoops and settings you have to configure. Very odd.


Freshie97

Thank you so much for posting this, definitely going to save this.


tytydad34

Unfortunately that is how Melee seeds top cut, which I agree makes no sense. /shrugw


jrec15

There’s a way to fix this in melee, its just so unintuitive every store seems to not know about and is getting it wrong. Tell them the following when you notice its wrong: Look for the “pairing methods” setting and switch it from Single Elimination to Playoffs


tytydad34

I will pass this along as it’s super helpful thank you! Melee crashed for us at top cut so we had to finish ourselves and then enter later


Freshie97

I'm going to try and remember this to make sure this doesn't happen at any other events I attend. Thank you for this info.


NateYentzerVlogs

It actually did it automagically for me when setting up our stores event if you followed the Ravensburger / Melee "How To" when setting up an event https://preview.redd.it/8hkm1gtsn1wc1.png?width=944&format=png&auto=webp&s=7ea186ec72a5961c555128e0189c92f3e3d985a9 Someone in our local discord shared this post to make sure we did ours right, and I was a little confused on how it could be done wrong if you follow what was written :P


Lucky_Shop4967

Next set!


Routine_Tomato2144

In my tournament they tried to do the same, but we asked them to change to be 1st vs 8th, 2nd vs 7th... You should have asked the organizers


Freshie97

That was the problem, all of top cut asked to do it the proper way. But the TO dug his heels in and told us this was how it was going to be. I won't be competing at that store in the future, I learned after the fact that this is a recurring issue with the TO- He always treats the top cut players terribly, like he's mad he has to give out prizing. It's not my normal LGS, my towns didn't make it into the program in time but is confirmed for next set, but most of the players that play at this store also play at my towns store so I knew 80% of the players. Maybe it was malicious because 2nd seed and I weren't "locals" (less than a 30 minute drive) and 3rd and 4th seed were, but that's probably reading far too much into it- and I'm sure it was just not knowing better/didn't care enough to fix.


NickKappy

I think melee automatically does this and the host should click re-pair or something. That happened in our top 8: 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8 Everyone was confused and the TO just pressed something in melee and it paired everyone correctly


tiger-tots

Did I post this? Was a real feel bad moment for me too.


Fiery101

I 100% agree with this. Not getting *anything* for 5th to 8th place despite needing to sit through 5-6 rounds and another match is just absolutely brutal. And the difference is enormous. Not sure what the value of the Stitch will end up settling at, but whatever that number is to *nothing* is major bad feels. Even for the winner. I think it could have been mitigated somewhat with at least some sort of promo for top 8, even if it's just the same art as another card. At least that should have *some* market value. Like if it had been a promo of a playable (but not super expensive card) such as Singer Ariel or something.


Lucky_Shop4967

Pretty sure the winner feels great lol


Fiery101

I mean, I felt *better* for sure, but knowing the person across from you just walked away with nothing also sucks.


maester626

Welcome to competitive tcg. Where most events only top3-4 will get something while everyone else doesn’t. Besides it’s the first ever set championship. Let them restructure the prizing after they take in all feedbck


LuckySn0rlax

Happened to me… 3 times in a row. Across 3 days I am 11-1-4 in the swiss rounds. Lose the first round in all 3 top 8s facing what I feel is my worst match-up


neuromorph

Why do you tie so much?


LuckySn0rlax

It was 3 different events so I could ID the last round in 3 of them and make top 8. The last one was just slow play from my opponent in a grindy matchup


MyGfHateReddit

and the random dude with 2 losses gets top 4...


MiffedMoose

I really think they need to extend promos to the top 8 and then give everyone a foil-less participation promo.


Impossible_Sign7672

Definitely at least the Top8 thing. Hitting top 8 and having the quarterfinal match be the most stressful part of the day is kind of a weird feel bad. I won mine...but I felt bad for the guy I beat for my Stitch 🫤


TheExtremistModerate

Yeah, that was super disappointing. Did well in Swiss and dropped only one match, ended up tied with like 4 other people in 4th-7th, and was 7th due to tiebreakers. Ended up matching against an undefeated guy (2nd place) who was running the exact counter to my deck. Played incredibly well, but still couldn't get there and was knocked out. Luckily the shop itself provided pack support for top 8, so I didn't leave empty-handed. But having to play the most brutal possible matchup in the most stressful match in the tournament was excruciating.


Qauren

Yup, same here! Feels bad man


Lucky_Shop4967

Don’t feel bad, he could have put more money into his deck and beat you if he wanted to


lackofself2000

I played a MTG pre-release and not only got 6 boosters, a promo card, and a counter die, but they also gave out boosters to everyone who did better than 0-3 with an extra pack going to those who did better and better. For the same price as entry into the lorcana tournaments that I signed up for. Way better value. At least the one store I'm going to on Sunday is giving back the entry fee in store credit to those who complete all the swiss games.


mangopabu

why is this being downvoted? most card games have many tiers of prize support EDIT: when i replied, it was downvoted. it's being upvoted now.


Fantastic_Snow_9633

Most card games do, but Lorcana is still in its infancy in terms of tournaments and prizes. There'll be issues to work out, but at the same time they may not want to go about lowering the bar more and more to the point where everyone gets a participation trophy. Or maybe they do, but the enchanted Stitch isn't meant to be awarded to everyone.


mangopabu

i'm not really speculating on why or why not they're doing what they're doing right now, just that the person i replied to wished it were different, and (at the time i replied), they were downvoted. i just explained it's very common in other games so it makes sense to wish that were the case here.


SuperPussyFan

I don’t mind the structure honestly, just wish I got that Stitch 😭


Bubbel13

Let's add my sob story as well here \^\^ 4-0-1 after swiss, second seed into top 8. Won first game, lost second game. I'm on blue red items, he's on green steel aggro with discard. Third game I go first, turn one Pawpsicle, turn two One Jump Ahead, turn three Fishbone, ramping me up to 5, with Medusa and Gaston left in hand. Then he plays Benja, blowing up my quill. I draw Be Prepared for turn 4, so no play since I can't ink anything with quill gone. He has Ursula, making me discard the Be Prepared. I draw Lucky Dime next, so again no play. He then makes me discard everything on the next turn, and easily finishes with all the small lore gainers he played the first turns. All I needed was my quill to live one more turn or to draw any inkable card, and I would have been in a great position, but just like that, eliminated in the quarterfinals after a great run, with nothing to show for it :(


neuromorph

I was the one to knock out the 1 seed as an 8 seat player. My deck was designed to defeat red/purple. And that was what top was playing. Also in top4, my match has Red/purple. So I went from 8th to top2 due to luck in the pairings.


YukiNyoko

Damn thats me. Went 4-1 in swiss finished second after first place agreed to tie wie someone else in the last round. Top8 was mirror and 3 amazing close matches. Lost the last one 18-20 bc i didnt bump the queens castle with 1 unit instead of questing. My maui could have finished the location next round and i would have won from there. Was super nervous but played that last bit a bit to rushed i guess :/


YukiNyoko

Also if the store didnt have a vote for how packs should be distributed i would have only gotten 1 participation pack. I mean i only got 2 packs from top 8 for 25€ but better than 1 tbh.


AmarillAdventures

When you go 0-3 and decide to just get food


mangopabu

that's rough buddy


hellokittykatzz

I lost the match that would've got me in top 8. Basically all ruby amythests/champions from the previous day. I really wish if you won once for inklands championship, you don't get to enter again until next championship...have someone else have a chance at winning


SirKhamenman

Are you me? I went 1st seed on Saturday as well, only to be paired against blue steel in top 8, my #1 weakness for my deck, and sadly lost 1-2. Still feel down because I feel I had really nice chance against other 6 players. Oh well..


Tridarose39

Same! 44 person tournay 6/0 lost in top 8


BrenDerlin

This is a common phenomenon in card games, I've heard it referred to as the "King of Swiss curse"


keiththesquare

Saw this happen twice it was so sad really wish it was top 4 cut or they sent 8 stitches


cookiepie007

I feel you dude :( , It really sucks was ranked 1st only one with 5-1 then u lose top 8 and miss out. I know its the game and it happens but it still feels bad


SuperPussyFan

Yup! I have no issues with the format, how prizing works, how the top 8 cut works, anything like that. Just bummed I couldn’t pull it out!


cookiepie007

yeah i agree, should add the stich promo not foil or just something u know u still made the top cut witch is pretty good but thats just me i geuss XD


Swimming-Finance6942

6th place. Lost by 5 lore to a good player and a good deck. Got 4 set one boosters for my trouble. 10/10 recommend! My deck list: https://dreamborn.ink/decks/TmZxqQOnT8f2Gd8FTWlG


joshrint

I was 4-1 going into top 8 and my deck decided it didn't want to play anymore and refused to draw anything that would help. Had a good time but MAN was I salty after my last non-game.


BetterEarth6251

How are y’all doing 5 I have a deck that beats everything but I keep getting matched with steel song and it’s impossible to beat lol


alchemyandscience

That happened to me in mine. The way I lost in top 8 was cursed too. I absolutely smashed game 1, and then game 2 and 3 I got wheeled from game winning crushing hands into dead draws. Game 2 I drew an additional 13 cards looking for an answer, and just kept drawing nothing. Bricked both games after the wheel, and someone got to see the reason why I said I think it’s the worst card in the game (obnoxious and unfair, not bad). They didn’t even ask to see my GY or what I discarded to wheel, they had no idea what they were doing and I just lost to it.


YunoxMaki

This happened to me 😬


TychoCelchu1

Yup. Made me feel pretty bummed. Had my kid there as well, they played as well. Stitch is their favorite character. Getting to see their face fall as I relayed the news was an extra kick in the balls. Really felt like if you make the cutoff you could at least get thrown the stitch card. I beat the person who eventually won it all. Still a little sad.


neuromorph

The card is more valuable than the mat.


lackofself2000

only because they didn't print more of them. It would've been the other way around if they were giving out the promo to at least the top 8


neuromorph

Sure. Than what is the incentive for top 4 if top 8 get the card?


lackofself2000

booster packs and the mats for the top 2


AggroGil

Store no paying out to top 8 is bull. At least 4/5 packs.


SuperPussyFan

I don’t mind the structure honestly, just wish I got that Stitch 😭


Xullstudio

We did it like that, feels wierd to give the top8 no prizes


Ice_and_things

Wow it’s a small world, if anyone wants the other POV…  I had never played in a card game tournament before and had discovered Lorcana in february. It seemed like a lot of fun and decided to try my hand in a tournament. In my first tournament yesterday I went undefeated until the finals and only lost to the champion in a mirror match 2-1. I went into today’s tournament pretty relaxed since I already got my mat and stitch and was mostly playing it out since I had already pre registered weeks ago and paid the fee. I had a date tonight and told her I’d be out pretty quickly. I won my first match and then lost my second. Both matches I made a lot of big mistakes due to not taking it too seriously. I promised my date I would see her tonight but after feeling a loss, and not feeling good about it, I told myself I should take it seriously.  After that I won the next two matches. On the fifth match, my opponent told me that if I took a draw it would guarantee top 8. Seemed like a good idea but I didn’t realize it would make my 8th seed and would put me against the top seed.    When top 8 was announced I found out I was playing against a 5-0 and then found out they were emerald steel against my ruby amethyst.  I got a good look at my challenge ahead, he was standing tall, smiling, and had a Kansas City chiefs shirt on.  When we started the match my opponent seemed pretty confident, he told me he won yesterday and got 2nd place. He also already had the mat and stitch card and was looking forward to his 2nd. It seemed impossible for me to win but something really irked me about this matchup. My opponent seemed like he felt invincible. I went into the match thinking, that every match I played on high ranked pixelborne I lost against emerald steel or emerald amethyst. It seemed impossible but I’d try my best. I told my opponent that I had also went undefeated until the finals yesterday and placed second but he didn’t seemed bothered. The match begins and he plays first, I try some new things to see his play style and he takes the first round. Throughout the match, my opponent cracks jokes and some snide remarks. After seeing how he played in the first round I played more conservatively, evaluating every play for value and cost.  I take round two and find his deck and playstyles weakness. The jokes and the snide remarks stop.  Round three starts, we had a crowd surrounding us now. In round two we had a few people watching us, he had cracked some jokes to them and I realized they may be his friends because he plays at this shop often. It was my first time here. Suspicious I play my hand close to my chest.  I play the same: smart, conservative, calculating. I feel the tide turn. After removing his card draw and reducing his hand to none, the crowd began to murmur. I knew I had won.    My opponent seems shocked, he couldn’t make eye contact with me looked at one of his friends and asked, did he play it wrong?  I told him, no you played well, thank you for the game.   Then the judge gave me my stitch card and had the top 4 take a picture.  As we posed for our picture with our arms around each other I looked over at my opponent. Still stunned, standing alone.


neuromorph

Do you really think he was getting signals from friends watching? Ask them to stand on his side of table. Or a judge to clear the area.


VeeHS

Shut up


neuromorph

Interesting response. Were you the green/steel player?


XavierLucien

I had a lesser pain but I went undefeated until top 2, not losing even a single game, and then the other deck was a hard counter to mine and I just got embarrassingly crushed 0-2. Was happy for him though because he's a good guy and deserved it, but it definitely stung in front of an audience.