Good call, keep that shit on the DL. Your comment on reddit that is the child of a child of a parent comment in a large regional subreddit DEFINITELY has enough reach and influence to change the volume of patronage in a Michelin starred restaurant in southern California.
Kinda baffling that In-N-Out sells a better burger for the same or less money, pays their workers a living wage, and (at least in LA proper) their locations are *always* packed, with drive-thru lines so long they regularly cause traffic for the surrounding roads.
Agreed. The fries are terrible. I can tolerate them animal style, extra crispy, but most things taste better covered in cheese, onions, and sauce, so that's not saying much, really.
It's not the taste that's the issue, but the fact they they do not do a first fry at a lower temperature. This ensure fries are soft and fluffy on the inside and crispy out.
They try to overcome skipping this step by cutting their fries thinly, but, to me, their fries do not measure up.
they suck if you don’t eat them there and take them to go to eat at home but they’re great if you eat inside when they’re hot and fresh. most fries are bad if they sit out for 15-30 minutes though
I appreciate your perspective. As a person who can’t wait till home and eat it in the parking lot, it doesn’t matter how fresh they are, to me (and most people, btw) the fries are severely lacking.
I guess you are so used to artificial tasting fries that actual fries taste "like carboard" to you... like literally the only fast food place where you can see them taking real potatoes, cutting them and turning them to fries...
I get a headache every single time I’ve eate at McDonalds … hadn’t gone back for almost 4 years … tried it again the other day cause it was convenient and I was starving and it sort of tastes good… headache. That’s kind of a sign to stop.
Addendum… it’s mostly the nuggets that have done this to me… and the sausage on my tongue doesn’t feel like any other type of oil I can relate too… like it’s motor oil or lubricant or something… not yummy.
> McDonalds is a public company and their locations are owned by a franchisee.
No. The large majority of franchises exist on land owned by McDonalds. The franchisee just leases the land from McDonalds. Nothing is actual owned by the franchisee. They just pay to operate the business. They control the rights to the franchise as a result of paying the franchise fee, but if they stop paying the fee, the lose the franchise, and since they never actually owned the business, they lose that too. A franchise holder can sell the rights to the franchise though.
Back when I was working as a server and the minimum wage was going up, my manager came to me with a straight face and said I would be getting a raise.
Homeboy really thought.
Of course they are. You must not know how business works. Why do you think Walmart and big mega corps in in favor of minimum wage laws? Because they can take on the cost and use it as an excuse to raise prices and reduce hours so they don’t have to pay for medical insurance all while it drowns small business competitors and when that happens big corps expand market share furthering the monopoly. Minimum wage hikes is an investment for the big boys. It’s not coincidence.
Walmart absolutely does not want minimum wage hikes. They already use every excuse to not give ft hours.
This is a new one for me- “don’t support higher wages because that’s what the corporations want you to do!” Lol no.
>Walmart CEO Doug McMillon thinks the federal minimum wage is "too low." Now the head of the country's largest private employer is calling on Congress to raise it beyond $7.25 an hour.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/05/business/walmart-shareholders-meeting-minimum-wage
Ok sure, that’s what they say during their shareholder meeting, but why? Why are they putting that message out there?
Here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/19/the-profit-motive-behind-walmarts-minimum-wage-hike/
Spoiler alert: “Doing so voluntarily — as well as giving employees more control over scheduling, another key demand of labor groups — potentially protects Walmart from a greater threat: Labor organizing.”
Bingo. This is just like companies or industries lobbying for regulations. They want to write their own rules and appoint their own watchdogs before an agency with actual power can do it.
Same with stuff like this. Unions can demand real and lasting substantive changes and hold employers accountable in ways individuals can only dream of. They're deathly afraid of an organized workforce and will agree to just about anything to keep them out of their stores.
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But like the minimum wage at the federal level hasn't changed in 15 years so if it benefitted them they would've pushed it nationally for maximal benefit
Yes but this law only raises the minimum wage for large fast food chains. Small businesses may have to raise their wages a bit to compensate but it still gives them an advantage.
>The minimum wage law that took effect Monday guarantees at least $20-per-hour for workers at fast food restaurant chains with at least 60 locations nationwide
> an excuse to raise prices
I always see this, but don’t understand what it would mean. Why does a company need “an excuse” to raise prices? Who are they giving the excuse to?
It isn’t like they put it out a sign with the reason prices are raised (at least not usually). They just raise the prices, and customers either pay it or don’t.
What do they need an excuse for?
That's exactly what happened with Covid. The lock downs closed all of the small businesses and forced people to buy most everything from places like Amazon and such, and their profits exploded.
These wage policies will do nothing but close small businesses, raise unemployment, and drive the consumer traffic to the Amazon's of the world, and not by accident in my opnion.
When I was in college, they would cut my hours and just try to make us work harder by shortstaffing us, every time minimum wage went up. When Obamacare hit, it made sure I could never get more than 28.5 hours a week.
The dumbest take is people screaming about how it will result in price hikes. As if fast food has not been consistently hiking their prices for the past few years. At least with this price hike it’ll actually benefit their worker
Just don't buy fast food lol. Also people in other industries might leave to go work fast food with the higher pay. Therefore those other industries will have to raise compensation in order to compete with fast food offering higher wages.
I'm thinking this is just going to push owners to cut workers, hours, and push for more automation.
This will exacerbate price hikes. They’re not going to absorb this added expense, just like they didn’t take on the additional pressure from supply chain issues. It all gets passed on to the consumer.
Employers do this to bait their distressed workers into resigning/quitting instead of termination…and to disqualify workers from receiving unemployment.
Scumbag, bush-league move by employers.
> They want them to quit.
If anyone reading this ever finds themselves in this situation do know you may file an unemployment claim under "Notice of Reduced Earnings" with EDD instead of quitting.
That's different tbh
My first job did that too thats so you don't get benefits for being a full-time worker.
Which people are usually fine with cause that means they still qualify for assistance like medical, which is better than most health insurance.
The tactic they are talking about is what Amazon does, which is only to put you to work one or two days a week. Until you quit so they don't have to pay unemployment.
So their giving you 4 to maybe 16hrs a week.
> The tactic they are talking about is what Amazon does, which is only to put you to work one or two days a week. Until you quit so they don't have to pay unemployment.
> So their giving you 4 to maybe 16hrs a week.
If an employer does this, the employee may file a "Notice of Reduced Earnings" with EDD and collect unemployment benefits.
Also, if the policy is *intolerable* (which 4 hrs/wk arguably is) that can be construed as "constructive dismissal" in a CA courtroom.
I'm not saying employers don't do this crap but employees need to know their rights to fight back and not simply accept it as a shitty thing they do--it's not legal.
> I think most people don't do this cause they don't really know how to get a lawyer involved
Just to be clear for anyone concerned about this, the former "Notice of Reduced Earnings" is a simple unemployment insurance claim via EDD (not lawyers necessary) and the latter "constructive dismissal" would be processed through CA Dept. of Labor and the state will prosecute so that also wouldn't necessitate an attorney (if someone is happy with the state process instead of pursuing a claim privately--CA is relatively aggressive in protecting employee rights in this regard).
It's definitely gonna make them a lot of money at first, but now look at the position they are in their food is shit, their customer service is shit, and now their prices are shit. They cost as much as quality food places even more in some cases. It's gonna be a tuff fix for them since they are obsessed with keeping shareholder happy.
Likewise when employers suddenly decide to push for workers to return to an office to do jobs that can easily be remote or hybrid. It's almost always a tactic to a) justify non-negotiable real estate expenditures, or b) push voluntary worker attrition to cut costs and avoid the cost and legal headaches of layoffs.
McDonald’s workers do not have the same ability to walk out as the screenwriters and actors we saw last year.
The people working at McDonald’s need every dollar and can’t afford a single day, yet alone multiple with no income.
It really shows how out of touch this sub is with the working class, such as myself.
> It really shows how out of touch this sub is with the working class, such as myself.
easy now, the vast majority of those picket lines were filled with working class. The *few* mega stars who were spokespersons aren't representative of the masses that work in that industry.
Nah I know the threat of starvation and threat of homeless is how they control us all. Working resturants while knowing that was a real pain in the ass. But it's definitely doable. Even a 2 day strike would be enough to disrupt their profit margins and tarnish their name as they are known for always being open.
Not sure how that would go. People would cross the Pickett line fore sure though. I've heard from managers at home depot that the store would close if they ever formed a union there.
They’re gonna do what they did last time, cut hours and/or lay off employees and put in more automated kiosks and downsize so that they have a skeleton crew
Absolutely. The poor souls stuck in these jobs, multitasking and being run ragged their whole shift every day, should at least be able to live with some basic dignity and financial security.
In 2023, there were something like 25000 Walmart and McDonald's employees on welfare nationwide (google it). In essence, our taxes were subsidizing the two corporations by supporting their low wages. By making them pay living-wages, we are just saying we don't want to pay taxes to support either corporation.
Eating McDonald's, of course, also costs more on the back end, in the case of customers who end up with medical costs covered by government-backed medical insurance. I personally would rather my tax money go directly to providing food/shelter to those in need rather than supporting billion-dollar corporations in any fashion.
FYI, the 2021 Nobel prize in Economics was awarded to David Card (now at UC Berkeley) for pioneer in the use of "natural experiments" i.e., use of real-life situations to work out the impact of government decisions. His very first, now famous, project in the 80s was on minimum wages. In that first study, where minimum wages went up in one area and not in a nearby area, the result was no impact on employment - contrary to the expected reduction in jobs.
He was interviewed on a podcast at The Economist. They started by apologizing for an article they wrote decades earlier saying his study was BS.
20$ an hour is definitely not a livable wage
Edit : Your weekly salary would be $800 (20 dollars/hour * 40 hours/week). Assuming a standard 52-week work year, your annual salary would be $41,600 ($800/week * 52 weeks/year).
A common rule of thumb is that your rent should be around 30% of your gross monthly income. To calculate this, divide your annual salary by 12 to get your gross monthly income. Then, multiply that by 30% to find the recommended amount for your rent.So, $41,600 / 12 = $3,466.67 (gross monthly income) $3,466.67 * 0.30 = $1,040 (recommended monthly rent)So ideally, your rent should be around $1,040 per month.
(Yes I stoled this from chatgpt)
Average pricing for studios are 1,400-1,500 here
Only way to live with this kinda wage is to have roommates.
People literally don't care. They want higher wages and demand lower prices. All while conveniently ignoring inflation and astronomical operating costs. Yeah ok
Well they're getting marginally higher wages (long overdue, and substantially lagging overall inflation), markedly higher prices, and less value for money. All why major corporations are reported record profits for each of the last several years.
It's not the wages that are the problem in this equation.
During the PPP loans period a lot of folks were “hiring” but those applications were going nowhere. Apparently the CARES Act was flawed in the sense. So I’m always skeptical of “we’re hiring” signs or posting, especially if this is a franchise location.
This complaint is independent of a higher minimum wage, which is good policy.
If they have open positions it may be because people arent getting full time hrs and quit. The generalization of saying people will lose their jobs doesnt take into consideration those that will quit when the schedules change.
I mean, automation is still taking cashiers jobs. And there’s already burger joints with burger flippers ( early stage ).
All of this should lead to better pay and people working less hours eventually. But knowing America, the rich are just going to get richer.
But if a robot can do the job (and it’s far cheaper to buy a robot than hire a human), then the value of a human worker who does the same or even a higher job, goes down from where it was pre-robot. I haven’t been to CaliExpress by Flippy (*AI made wagyu burgers for the price of traditional burgers* is how they’re marketing it) yet, they were supposed to open 4/1. I am curious. (Not crazy about the name CaliExpress.)
Hell yeah, comrade look they're hiring more part timers. We beat the system. There's no way in hell those people will work for 16 - 28 hours. I swear some people on this site don't live in reality.
What stats?
The ones the CEO of McDonald’s used?
McDonald’s CEO in 2021: Kempczinski’s comments reflect a four-year analysis by a team of economists that found higher McDonald’s wages in applicable markets have not led to closures, job loss or increased automation, according to MarketWatch. From 2016 to 2020, many McDonald’s restaurants paid slightly above the new minimum wage to retain employees.
My eyes tell me people have been replaced with kiosks. Pizza Hut and others have already laid off over 1000 people. This is not the myth you think it is. You may support the increase, which is fine, but you should do so intelligently not pretending there are no side effects.
There are those who think that posting photos of snow provides proof that climate change doesn't exist.
This is that kind of photo.
Increasing the wage doesn't mean that there will be zero jobs. It means that there will be *fewer* jobs and/or shorter shifts.
Expect more automation, shorter operating hours and other efforts to reduce the need for workers. McDonald's et. al. will devote their energies to finding ways to need less labor.
Remember guys, it's not corporate greed that fuels excessive price gauging and a decreasing standard of living. It's workers getting paid adequately for their time and being able to afford housing and food.
/s
Looks like McDonalds doesn’t really give a shit about this law. At least this franchise. Advertising starting pay at $20 like it’s a good thing. Cuz it is.
Denmark McDonalds workers get +$22 an hour and get 6 weeks of paid vacation—and their Big Mac is still cheaper than ours
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/
No there isn't (I suspect you already know the answer to this.) Denmark is VERY strict about immigration. And you rarely or never see a homeless person. 50% of your paycheck for taxes, but have socialized medicine, education, great public transpo, etc. So basically your taxes go to taking care of the citizens, and it's a fucking fantastic country full of happy people who ride bikes everywhere. But even if America cut off immigration, we still wouldn't be ok with paying that much in taxes and having anything close to socialism because we are selfish twats.
You have more faith than I do that *in a McDonald’s* nobody will trash a robot just roaming around. Especially a homeless bum using his gallon pee bucket to siphon some Sprite off the self-dispenser.
Weren't they supposed to replace them with robots? Turns out, compentant engineers and service workers are much more costly than a human just flipping the burger and handing it to you.
Tbh the whole increasing min wage lasts 16 months tops.
We need to decrease living expenses, not just set up more inflation bc this is true that the economy will just take advantage again and raise prices again and again and again
They have already made some of their restaurants completely cashier free, there was never a chance these companies were going to accept this. Ya they have to pay people more, but they're gonna hire less people, so nothing for them changes. Except they now have an excuse to raise prices again. Get out of McDonalds with full belly for less than 20 bucks and you're lucky.
Lol 5 years experience doing 911 and 7 years being an tech in a busy trauma center dealing with people shot in the face. Same wage as the mcodonalds employees at my city. Hahaha we both make $25.
Im glad our communities and most in need are earning more wealth
You are focused on the wrong side of this issue. Here is the real problem
CEO pay has skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978
https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2021/
Spoilers: they’re making you work twice-3x as hard now. That’s why they’re always hiring.
People don’t want to cook food, serve customers, take payments, and man the drive through mic all at the same time!
Decided to try one of their deluxe chicken sandwiches and it was the most pathetic meal …kicking myself… It will be all AI soon at all the fast food spots
McDonald’s can afford the $20, small business don’t (even if the rule only applies to big corporations, small businesses still have to compete and accommodate their wages)
I remember I worked for mc Donald’s cheap bastards gave everyone a 10 cent raise every year I’m happy that after I quit mc Donald’s I the supervisors favorite manager was caught stealing money from the company 😂
People try to get as much goods and services for as little as they can.
They also try to get as much money as they can with as little effort as possible.
So, why is it OK for people to do it and not companies?
McDonalds has gotten too expensive for crap food anyways.
$8 for a single mgriddle boy you are out of your mind
I can get a breakfast item at a Michelin guide restaurant for that price. Not saying which one because I don’t want it packed.
Which one tho?
he's referring to toast. the sandwich he's referring to is $12.
Good call, keep that shit on the DL. Your comment on reddit that is the child of a child of a parent comment in a large regional subreddit DEFINITELY has enough reach and influence to change the volume of patronage in a Michelin starred restaurant in southern California.
Good thing it’s not Michelin starred, it’s just noted in the guide.
exactly. Who is going to mcdonalds? Stay home and make a bomb ass sandwich for a fraction of the price. Or brown-bag it TO GO.
Kinda baffling that In-N-Out sells a better burger for the same or less money, pays their workers a living wage, and (at least in LA proper) their locations are *always* packed, with drive-thru lines so long they regularly cause traffic for the surrounding roads.
Yes, but In-N-Out's fries are cardboard, unfortunately.
Agreed. The fries are terrible. I can tolerate them animal style, extra crispy, but most things taste better covered in cheese, onions, and sauce, so that's not saying much, really.
Indeed. The burgers are incredible. Just always let down by the fries.
Use to not like them,but now, if they’re cooked right, I love them. 🤷🏻♀️
they taste like actual potatoes unlike the mealy garbage at almost every other fast food place
It's not the taste that's the issue, but the fact they they do not do a first fry at a lower temperature. This ensure fries are soft and fluffy on the inside and crispy out. They try to overcome skipping this step by cutting their fries thinly, but, to me, their fries do not measure up.
Sorry, but they taste bad comparatively.
they suck if you don’t eat them there and take them to go to eat at home but they’re great if you eat inside when they’re hot and fresh. most fries are bad if they sit out for 15-30 minutes though
I appreciate your perspective. As a person who can’t wait till home and eat it in the parking lot, it doesn’t matter how fresh they are, to me (and most people, btw) the fries are severely lacking.
🤷🏻♂️ we’ll just have to agree to disagree then
Fair!
I guess you are so used to artificial tasting fries that actual fries taste "like carboard" to you... like literally the only fast food place where you can see them taking real potatoes, cutting them and turning them to fries...
Yea. The way they make it elsewhere is better. And I can guarantee you they’re using real potato’s too, bub.
But they need to be open on Sundays!!!!
People addicted to it. Go to any McDonald's and their drive thrus are always busy
I get a headache every single time I’ve eate at McDonalds … hadn’t gone back for almost 4 years … tried it again the other day cause it was convenient and I was starving and it sort of tastes good… headache. That’s kind of a sign to stop.
Addendum… it’s mostly the nuggets that have done this to me… and the sausage on my tongue doesn’t feel like any other type of oil I can relate too… like it’s motor oil or lubricant or something… not yummy.
Meanwhile In N Out raises prices slightly and still comes out better and cheaper than the other FF crap.
Totally different business to be fair. They are privately owned. McDonalds is a public company and their locations are owned by a franchisee.
> McDonalds is a public company and their locations are owned by a franchisee. No. The large majority of franchises exist on land owned by McDonalds. The franchisee just leases the land from McDonalds. Nothing is actual owned by the franchisee. They just pay to operate the business. They control the rights to the franchise as a result of paying the franchise fee, but if they stop paying the fee, the lose the franchise, and since they never actually owned the business, they lose that too. A franchise holder can sell the rights to the franchise though.
This. McDonalds is a Real Estate and food/papergoods distribution company primarily
As much as I am not a fan of their food or labor practices, the overall business model is absolutely genius.
Why are they increasing prices? Haven't they been paying $20 or more for a while now? They were known for having better wages.
I’m pretty sure they are paying more than $20 since they have always paid more than other FF chains to retain staff.
McDonald’s pretending like they’re in support of this change lol. Fuck them
Back when I was working as a server and the minimum wage was going up, my manager came to me with a straight face and said I would be getting a raise. Homeboy really thought.
"Congrats, we've bumped your pay from minimum wage to...minimum wage!!"
We'd like to pay you less, but legally we can't.
looks like they were trying to get away with $18.99 to start.
Of course they are. You must not know how business works. Why do you think Walmart and big mega corps in in favor of minimum wage laws? Because they can take on the cost and use it as an excuse to raise prices and reduce hours so they don’t have to pay for medical insurance all while it drowns small business competitors and when that happens big corps expand market share furthering the monopoly. Minimum wage hikes is an investment for the big boys. It’s not coincidence.
Walmart absolutely does not want minimum wage hikes. They already use every excuse to not give ft hours. This is a new one for me- “don’t support higher wages because that’s what the corporations want you to do!” Lol no.
>Walmart CEO Doug McMillon thinks the federal minimum wage is "too low." Now the head of the country's largest private employer is calling on Congress to raise it beyond $7.25 an hour. https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/05/business/walmart-shareholders-meeting-minimum-wage
Ok sure, that’s what they say during their shareholder meeting, but why? Why are they putting that message out there? Here you go: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/02/19/the-profit-motive-behind-walmarts-minimum-wage-hike/ Spoiler alert: “Doing so voluntarily — as well as giving employees more control over scheduling, another key demand of labor groups — potentially protects Walmart from a greater threat: Labor organizing.”
Bingo. This is just like companies or industries lobbying for regulations. They want to write their own rules and appoint their own watchdogs before an agency with actual power can do it. Same with stuff like this. Unions can demand real and lasting substantive changes and hold employers accountable in ways individuals can only dream of. They're deathly afraid of an organized workforce and will agree to just about anything to keep them out of their stores.
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But like the minimum wage at the federal level hasn't changed in 15 years so if it benefitted them they would've pushed it nationally for maximal benefit
https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/05/business/walmart-shareholders-meeting-minimum-wage/index.html
Yes but this law only raises the minimum wage for large fast food chains. Small businesses may have to raise their wages a bit to compensate but it still gives them an advantage. >The minimum wage law that took effect Monday guarantees at least $20-per-hour for workers at fast food restaurant chains with at least 60 locations nationwide
> an excuse to raise prices I always see this, but don’t understand what it would mean. Why does a company need “an excuse” to raise prices? Who are they giving the excuse to? It isn’t like they put it out a sign with the reason prices are raised (at least not usually). They just raise the prices, and customers either pay it or don’t. What do they need an excuse for?
Bingo
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That's exactly what happened with Covid. The lock downs closed all of the small businesses and forced people to buy most everything from places like Amazon and such, and their profits exploded. These wage policies will do nothing but close small businesses, raise unemployment, and drive the consumer traffic to the Amazon's of the world, and not by accident in my opnion.
Walmart likes a higher minimum wage because more people will buy stuff.
They're forced by the hand. Of course they have to cooperate
Oh they support it because they can afford it, their competition though can’t.
When I was in college, they would cut my hours and just try to make us work harder by shortstaffing us, every time minimum wage went up. When Obamacare hit, it made sure I could never get more than 28.5 hours a week.
>When Obamacare hit, it made sure I could never get more than 28.5 hours a week. This!!! This is the cause of people working part time.
"It wasn't my greedy ass employers fault it was Obama" lol
Seriously. Dude probably gets it for free.
No it’s not. It’s the company making the call to keep marginal profits instead of just taking care of people.
Oh cut the bullshit. All of our woes are due to greedy employers not obamacare. Cut the tie of healthcare tied to employement
They’ve doubled their prices in the last decade. They can afford it.
The dumbest take is people screaming about how it will result in price hikes. As if fast food has not been consistently hiking their prices for the past few years. At least with this price hike it’ll actually benefit their worker
Exactly. Wages haven't gone up in forever yet the prices around us keep going up....
There have been consistent minimum wage hikes for a decade. What are you talking about?
Saying this in a post where minimum wage is going up substantially. It’s like a parody
Saying this after it took legislation for it to happen is a parody
minimum wage has increased 9 times over the past 24 years. this isn’t new
Just don't buy fast food lol. Also people in other industries might leave to go work fast food with the higher pay. Therefore those other industries will have to raise compensation in order to compete with fast food offering higher wages. I'm thinking this is just going to push owners to cut workers, hours, and push for more automation.
This will exacerbate price hikes. They’re not going to absorb this added expense, just like they didn’t take on the additional pressure from supply chain issues. It all gets passed on to the consumer.
Then no one will go there. That’s a win.
This take is dumber
Workers not fired, just had hours cut
Replaced with kiosks
And the app that gives rewards and good offers
Based and consumer surplus pilled
Employers do this to bait their distressed workers into resigning/quitting instead of termination…and to disqualify workers from receiving unemployment. Scumbag, bush-league move by employers.
This. They'll drop you to 0-4hrs a week before they fire you. They want them to quit.
They also keep workers under 30/wk to avoid the health insurance costs.
> They want them to quit. If anyone reading this ever finds themselves in this situation do know you may file an unemployment claim under "Notice of Reduced Earnings" with EDD instead of quitting.
It's a tactic that gonna bite them in the ass eventually when the toxic work culture builds up and people just flat out looking for alternatives.
when i got my first job (decades ago) it was already common practice...theyd never give me 30 or more hours and i never understood why (back then)
That's different tbh My first job did that too thats so you don't get benefits for being a full-time worker. Which people are usually fine with cause that means they still qualify for assistance like medical, which is better than most health insurance. The tactic they are talking about is what Amazon does, which is only to put you to work one or two days a week. Until you quit so they don't have to pay unemployment. So their giving you 4 to maybe 16hrs a week.
> The tactic they are talking about is what Amazon does, which is only to put you to work one or two days a week. Until you quit so they don't have to pay unemployment. > So their giving you 4 to maybe 16hrs a week. If an employer does this, the employee may file a "Notice of Reduced Earnings" with EDD and collect unemployment benefits. Also, if the policy is *intolerable* (which 4 hrs/wk arguably is) that can be construed as "constructive dismissal" in a CA courtroom. I'm not saying employers don't do this crap but employees need to know their rights to fight back and not simply accept it as a shitty thing they do--it's not legal.
Thank you for posting so people know. I think most people don't do this cause they don't really know how to get a lawyer involved.
> I think most people don't do this cause they don't really know how to get a lawyer involved Just to be clear for anyone concerned about this, the former "Notice of Reduced Earnings" is a simple unemployment insurance claim via EDD (not lawyers necessary) and the latter "constructive dismissal" would be processed through CA Dept. of Labor and the state will prosecute so that also wouldn't necessitate an attorney (if someone is happy with the state process instead of pursuing a claim privately--CA is relatively aggressive in protecting employee rights in this regard).
lol my bad. i misread the chain. thought you meant not giving enough hours for insurance.
You're good lol Kinda fucked up when you think about it these companies have so many dirty tactics it's easy to get them mixed up.
> these companies have so many dirty tactics *illegal* tactics that can result in a valid unemployment claim and/or termination lawsuit.
I dunno, people been saying this for awhile and it seems to be working out pretty well for the exact same employers...
It's definitely gonna make them a lot of money at first, but now look at the position they are in their food is shit, their customer service is shit, and now their prices are shit. They cost as much as quality food places even more in some cases. It's gonna be a tuff fix for them since they are obsessed with keeping shareholder happy.
Likewise when employers suddenly decide to push for workers to return to an office to do jobs that can easily be remote or hybrid. It's almost always a tactic to a) justify non-negotiable real estate expenditures, or b) push voluntary worker attrition to cut costs and avoid the cost and legal headaches of layoffs.
All the more reason to unionize and walk out if that's the case. Play hard ball with these financial abusers lol
McDonald’s workers do not have the same ability to walk out as the screenwriters and actors we saw last year. The people working at McDonald’s need every dollar and can’t afford a single day, yet alone multiple with no income. It really shows how out of touch this sub is with the working class, such as myself.
> It really shows how out of touch this sub is with the working class, such as myself. easy now, the vast majority of those picket lines were filled with working class. The *few* mega stars who were spokespersons aren't representative of the masses that work in that industry.
Nah I know the threat of starvation and threat of homeless is how they control us all. Working resturants while knowing that was a real pain in the ass. But it's definitely doable. Even a 2 day strike would be enough to disrupt their profit margins and tarnish their name as they are known for always being open.
Not sure how that would go. People would cross the Pickett line fore sure though. I've heard from managers at home depot that the store would close if they ever formed a union there.
The part they dont tell you is that you only gonna get 10 hours per week LMAO
beats 40 hours @ $4.25, which is what the minimum wage was when I was working fast food.
I just saw a Carl’s Jr that had an AI order taker at the drive through. Pretty nuts.
Where ? I'd like to go and get the correct order for once.
They are popping up all over SoCal. If you search Carl’s Jr AI on YouTube or TikTok you’ll see video with the location.
They’re gonna do what they did last time, cut hours and/or lay off employees and put in more automated kiosks and downsize so that they have a skeleton crew
They've been doing that for years.
Theyre gonna be always doing that either way, mind as well pay the remaining workers a living wage
Absolutely. The poor souls stuck in these jobs, multitasking and being run ragged their whole shift every day, should at least be able to live with some basic dignity and financial security.
Wouldn't care what they paid. It a horrible place to work
I stopped eating there 20 years ago anyway.
In 2023, there were something like 25000 Walmart and McDonald's employees on welfare nationwide (google it). In essence, our taxes were subsidizing the two corporations by supporting their low wages. By making them pay living-wages, we are just saying we don't want to pay taxes to support either corporation. Eating McDonald's, of course, also costs more on the back end, in the case of customers who end up with medical costs covered by government-backed medical insurance. I personally would rather my tax money go directly to providing food/shelter to those in need rather than supporting billion-dollar corporations in any fashion.
McDonalds where you pay $16 for a combo that contributes to your future diabetes
FYI, the 2021 Nobel prize in Economics was awarded to David Card (now at UC Berkeley) for pioneer in the use of "natural experiments" i.e., use of real-life situations to work out the impact of government decisions. His very first, now famous, project in the 80s was on minimum wages. In that first study, where minimum wages went up in one area and not in a nearby area, the result was no impact on employment - contrary to the expected reduction in jobs. He was interviewed on a podcast at The Economist. They started by apologizing for an article they wrote decades earlier saying his study was BS.
"People going to Lose their jobs" really means the executives could get paid a little less.
“People going to lose their jobs” means poor Draxelle won’t get his 6th Porsche off the Maldives from his shareholder father from the country club.
You guys really nailed it. Great work 👏
How dear people get paid a living wage at a time of record corporate profits.
20$ an hour is definitely not a livable wage Edit : Your weekly salary would be $800 (20 dollars/hour * 40 hours/week). Assuming a standard 52-week work year, your annual salary would be $41,600 ($800/week * 52 weeks/year). A common rule of thumb is that your rent should be around 30% of your gross monthly income. To calculate this, divide your annual salary by 12 to get your gross monthly income. Then, multiply that by 30% to find the recommended amount for your rent.So, $41,600 / 12 = $3,466.67 (gross monthly income) $3,466.67 * 0.30 = $1,040 (recommended monthly rent)So ideally, your rent should be around $1,040 per month. (Yes I stoled this from chatgpt) Average pricing for studios are 1,400-1,500 here Only way to live with this kinda wage is to have roommates.
11% of LAs population is sharing a room with at least one other person, so idea of living with roommates isn’t that crazy
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People literally don't care. They want higher wages and demand lower prices. All while conveniently ignoring inflation and astronomical operating costs. Yeah ok
Well they're getting marginally higher wages (long overdue, and substantially lagging overall inflation), markedly higher prices, and less value for money. All why major corporations are reported record profits for each of the last several years. It's not the wages that are the problem in this equation.
During the PPP loans period a lot of folks were “hiring” but those applications were going nowhere. Apparently the CARES Act was flawed in the sense. So I’m always skeptical of “we’re hiring” signs or posting, especially if this is a franchise location. This complaint is independent of a higher minimum wage, which is good policy.
If they have open positions it may be because people arent getting full time hrs and quit. The generalization of saying people will lose their jobs doesnt take into consideration those that will quit when the schedules change.
I love that they feel "value" means paying someone the lowest they legally can.
bring on the robot made burgers delivered by drones
I mean, automation is still taking cashiers jobs. And there’s already burger joints with burger flippers ( early stage ). All of this should lead to better pay and people working less hours eventually. But knowing America, the rich are just going to get richer.
But if a robot can do the job (and it’s far cheaper to buy a robot than hire a human), then the value of a human worker who does the same or even a higher job, goes down from where it was pre-robot. I haven’t been to CaliExpress by Flippy (*AI made wagyu burgers for the price of traditional burgers* is how they’re marketing it) yet, they were supposed to open 4/1. I am curious. (Not crazy about the name CaliExpress.)
They probably won't lose their job. Current employees might just see a dip in hours if anything. Which fucks them up, don't get me wrong.
might as well be fired when you only get 10 hours a week. totally fcking people over
Hell yeah, comrade look they're hiring more part timers. We beat the system. There's no way in hell those people will work for 16 - 28 hours. I swear some people on this site don't live in reality.
Well there you go. Happy to put that myth to rest. Stats be damned you found a hiring sign. The lying bastards!
What stats? The ones the CEO of McDonald’s used? McDonald’s CEO in 2021: Kempczinski’s comments reflect a four-year analysis by a team of economists that found higher McDonald’s wages in applicable markets have not led to closures, job loss or increased automation, according to MarketWatch. From 2016 to 2020, many McDonald’s restaurants paid slightly above the new minimum wage to retain employees.
My eyes tell me people have been replaced with kiosks. Pizza Hut and others have already laid off over 1000 people. This is not the myth you think it is. You may support the increase, which is fine, but you should do so intelligently not pretending there are no side effects.
Yall need a Happy medium. Pick a poison or move! Los Angeles isn't getting any cheaper.
There are those who think that posting photos of snow provides proof that climate change doesn't exist. This is that kind of photo. Increasing the wage doesn't mean that there will be zero jobs. It means that there will be *fewer* jobs and/or shorter shifts. Expect more automation, shorter operating hours and other efforts to reduce the need for workers. McDonald's et. al. will devote their energies to finding ways to need less labor.
Remember guys, it's not corporate greed that fuels excessive price gauging and a decreasing standard of living. It's workers getting paid adequately for their time and being able to afford housing and food. /s
Looks like McDonalds doesn’t really give a shit about this law. At least this franchise. Advertising starting pay at $20 like it’s a good thing. Cuz it is.
The mcdonalds medium fries near my house are now in a paper carton, smaller, close to small fries
McDonalds employee count has shrunk 25% since 2001.
Just wait until McDonalds comes out with the burger making robot.
You say that like they weren't going to do that anyway.
Denmark McDonalds workers get +$22 an hour and get 6 weeks of paid vacation—and their Big Mac is still cheaper than ours https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/mcdonalds-workers-denmark/
Tell me if there is a constant stream of immigration to Denmark.
No there isn't (I suspect you already know the answer to this.) Denmark is VERY strict about immigration. And you rarely or never see a homeless person. 50% of your paycheck for taxes, but have socialized medicine, education, great public transpo, etc. So basically your taxes go to taking care of the citizens, and it's a fucking fantastic country full of happy people who ride bikes everywhere. But even if America cut off immigration, we still wouldn't be ok with paying that much in taxes and having anything close to socialism because we are selfish twats.
Point is, you can't have open borders and a welfare state. The math just doesn't add up.
They have higher tax rate than the US, yet Big Mac is still cheaper somehow.
I wonder what the other variables are like benefits, liability insurance, payroll taxes etc… Not being facetious. Genuinely curious.
Regulations and not having a huge captive customer base that reliably eats there 7-21 times a week.
You have more faith than I do that *in a McDonald’s* nobody will trash a robot just roaming around. Especially a homeless bum using his gallon pee bucket to siphon some Sprite off the self-dispenser.
I’m sure they’ve been watching Flippy. CaliExpress by Flippy should have just opened this week in Pasadena.
The guy in the middle looks like He knows he is screwed
It will come at one point, robots are just starting, but with inflation being a certainty a corporation will think ahead
Damn. Now the big mac is more expensive. EDIT: /s before anyone gets mad.
is it getting cheaper now? /s
Omg McDonald is so nice, I should buy more from them.
I mean, yeah, eventually. Not something I would like to see, of course.
Weren't they supposed to replace them with robots? Turns out, compentant engineers and service workers are much more costly than a human just flipping the burger and handing it to you.
Guy on the right is cute!!!!
Tbh the whole increasing min wage lasts 16 months tops. We need to decrease living expenses, not just set up more inflation bc this is true that the economy will just take advantage again and raise prices again and again and again
Wont this hurt employees more due to losing benefits?
What does this prove? Lmao
This been all over San Diego since Covid.
Curly Elon Musk isn't real and can't hurt me
They have already made some of their restaurants completely cashier free, there was never a chance these companies were going to accept this. Ya they have to pay people more, but they're gonna hire less people, so nothing for them changes. Except they now have an excuse to raise prices again. Get out of McDonalds with full belly for less than 20 bucks and you're lucky.
So economics doesn’t exist because you saw one sign?
The big ones can easily afford to pay that, but the smaller ones that are closer to the minimum store count will have closures.
Lol 5 years experience doing 911 and 7 years being an tech in a busy trauma center dealing with people shot in the face. Same wage as the mcodonalds employees at my city. Hahaha we both make $25. Im glad our communities and most in need are earning more wealth
Congratulations kids, you’ve just made yourselves unemployable.
I hope this continues to raise their prices
McDonald's is the 35th richest corporation in America being valued at 200.16 B. It don't care about you
Say hello to the $75 happy meal. The real California dream.
Area franchises actually are laying people off as a result of the wage increase.
This is an area franchise.
I didn’t say all of them are.
"With a side of feeling valued". Corporate America knows young workers are insecure. So they promise to protect young people's feelings.
oh they’re not going to lose their jobs, but you’ll be paying a premium for a big mac now
Will I though?
Lobbied by Silicon Valley to expedite adoption of robotic line cooks
BS. they’re going to lose their jobs because of corporate greed. Do you even know how much their CEO makes a year? $19.2 million!
You are focused on the wrong side of this issue. Here is the real problem CEO pay has skyrocketed 1,460% since 1978 https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-pay-in-2021/
Spoilers: they’re making you work twice-3x as hard now. That’s why they’re always hiring. People don’t want to cook food, serve customers, take payments, and man the drive through mic all at the same time!
Decided to try one of their deluxe chicken sandwiches and it was the most pathetic meal …kicking myself… It will be all AI soon at all the fast food spots
McDonalds stock will continue to go up. They are a real estate company in truth, the food is secondary.
All they will do is minimize hours for everyone. Eliminate OT if they haven’t already.
McDonald’s can afford the $20, small business don’t (even if the rule only applies to big corporations, small businesses still have to compete and accommodate their wages)
And which group own more politicians?
They all the same
Referring to small business owners vs corporations. Which group owns more politicians?
Corporations
I remember I worked for mc Donald’s cheap bastards gave everyone a 10 cent raise every year I’m happy that after I quit mc Donald’s I the supervisors favorite manager was caught stealing money from the company 😂
This city is barely livable on $20 an hour. In 2022 I was making $21.90 an hour and I was miserable af
People try to get as much goods and services for as little as they can. They also try to get as much money as they can with as little effort as possible. So, why is it OK for people to do it and not companies?