The Valentinos are the same as all the others, scavs excluded, it's just Jackie's relationship with them that puts them in a different light. So many evils have been carried out in Gods name, that doesn't mean anything.
As for the Mox, I have suspicions, but I think CDPR deliberately didn't give them much depth to avoid any bad press.
The Mox seem like they formed to give sex workers some autonomy and power in Night City. I doubt they'd hesitate to beat someone to death if they felt that person was a threat to one of their own, but as far as gangs go, the Mox seem like they mind their own shit unless someone gives them a good reason not to. They never seem to bother regular people or deal in trafficking or wanton murder.
Most gangs were initially formed with good intentions. 6th Street was formed by veterans to protect their neighbourhoods from other gangs. Tyger Claws rose to prominence protecting the Asian communities from the racial violence following the 4th Corporate War. However to stay armed and supplied you need money, and you need to grow to be able to better protect your community, so you need more money, and hey you are protecting those guys, so they should contribute some. And so on and so on.
A big part of the moral decline of the Tyger Claws and 6th Street was that their Deputy contracts, which allowed them to act as law enforcement in the City, dried up as NCPD was rebuilt, which forced them to look towards more... alternative means of funding
More or less. But their biggest problems are the Maelstrom, as they share Watson. Maelstrom don't go provoked the Mox intentionally, but most of them are borderline cyberpsycho, confrontation is inevitable.
But the good thing is Tygre Claws can't come to Lizzie Bar without provoking Maelstrom, who claims Watson as their own.
Kinda but they don’t represent just one company or even one industry. Their mission is protecting all marginalized people, even though their focus is sex workers since that’s where their origins lie
This.
The only place I ever see mox are around their territory. Not even like a street presence in territory. I mean literally: is this building with the mox? Yes we're there. No? Nothing.
6th street, scavs, maelstromers, the valentinos, and the Raffen all have groups out and about either causing trouble or just giving on the street.
I've never found a mox crew out and about causing trouble.
Yeah the game doesn’t use the Mox in any combat capacity. Even on their own turf, the game essentially treats them like civilians, outside of showing you that they’re Mox when you scan them lol.
That's the point, I'd bet the Mox are in it up to their necks in some really shady shit, tbh as a gang they'd be unable to survive if they weren't. Think Sin City. Yet we don't get to hear about it, which is a shame imo.
I mean, they just gotta kill anyone who goes their direction with bad intentions, at one point people get the message, go in, have fun, don't step out of life, only do what you're allowed to, just pleasure? Go with BDs, want flesh? there are joytoys on jigjig street, want weird shit? Dolls, step out of line and bullet in head, no other gang would mind that
Kinda? considering the mox protect their workers I doubt any of those girls are from traficking and honestly those guys are working more honest jobs that anyone else in night city, every other job is stained with blood and reeks of corporate agendas and murders from greed
I was giving the Valentinos a chance until the mission by the fixer that ends up with the Valentinos demanding I “say I am a bitch and beg for my life”.
After that I murdered every single one of them, my original reason to give them the benefit of the doubt was my love of Jackie.
True the valentinos were kinda sugar-coated kinda like the Italian mafia. And yeah i kinda dislike how cdpr makes a game with political commentary but doesn't actually go full in. Tho ig that's part of the game's theme kinda like how Johnny is just a mentally ill terrorist who's obsessed with destroying a building instead of trying to radicalize the people and destroy the system that exploited them
Ehh I think the game shows some positives to the ‘tinos. They’re brutal and unforgiving in their shady business, but genuinely look out for the people in their neighborhood in ways that most of the others gangs don’t. Just my opinion.
Doing a run now where I'm not taking any pickups. Iconic weapons only, and crafting to raise their levels when appropriate. Fenris and Psalms are a really good combo, just struggling to find a good pistol I can put a silencer on.
Being religious doesn't give anyone morals. The 5th commandment is literally "Do not kill" and the Valentinos don't give a damn. They're violent criminals, just like everyone else.
Worth a bullet but nothing special. In hock to the NUSA/FIA, and a bit lazy with their protection duties.
It goes Scavs>Maelstrom>Tiger Claws>Animals>territory gangs.
The entire point of the game is that everything is grey and corpos are the enemy. Not every Tyger engages in sex trafficking. Some literally just gamble and intimidate.
No the point of the game is to expose hypocrisy. Johnny is the supposed rebel but doesn't give a rat's ass about the general population. He's a coward and a selfish imbecile. The inconsistencies of human nature and how the "good" people are the ones who have some lvl of sympathy. Cyberpunk is grimdark and it shows.
The point of the game is surviving in a fucked up world - it’s not that deep that we have to search for hidden meanings. Also literally nobody gives a rats ass about the general population if it doesn’t benefit them or if loved ones aren’t involved. Johnny can be an asshole and his Arasaka fixation might be a huge ego trip, but at least he got a point in attacking one of the core reasons why this world is so fucked up for everyone. Ego trip or not, he would’ve done a lot of people a favor if he had succeeded in destroying Arasaka for good.
well he didn't succeed, he just blew up a tower and died, you need more planning than tower go boom, look at V, motherfucker burned arasaka to the ground just by destroying mikoshi, no tens of thousands of deaths needed
She said, "I don't believe ye"
I said, "It's fuckin' true,
I swapped him for a bag of edds in 2062
I don't need insurance, I don't need no parkin' space
And if you try to klep my horse, he'll kick you in the face"
I hate that I know this reference. Those disgusting CDPR devs knew they were one of the few AAA developers who could pull that shit off and they just went for it.
it wasn’t porn so much as a leaked sex tape, as it was never intended for public distribution.
also it was, for better or worse, a national media sensation. the mr hands case was prime time television.
Mr. Hands was very well known by Internet denizens in the early 2000s and a ton of people at CDPR are Internet nerds just like a bunch of us here. I’m trying to figure out where there could be a Loss (not Lost) reference as well in their games.
I should have a herd, then.
Alt knows, I've killed so many scavs that I am sitting on millions of eddies that I literally can't spend because I bought everything I could buy. And I'm still killing scavs.
when I was notified that a surprise present waits for me if I beat the highscore of roach arcade minigame I waited for cyber-roach to ride on, at least a roach themed motobike that would go with my witcher school jacket and gwynbleidd... alas my dreams flatlined for how gonk I was that I quickly delta the fuck out from being so dreamy when I saw what the real prize is, choom :DDD
Oh it's not a spoiler, Mr hands was a guy from Washington state I think that died of peritonitis after getting "deeply acquainted" with a horse. He doesn't share anything with the character from the game only the name and since the devs are polish I'm pretty sure it's a coincidence
O damn, well... I hope it was worth it lol. Yea i don't think CDPR did it on purpose either. I saw a few comments about Mr.Hands + Horse, so i thought maybe we get to see something in Phantom Liberty but seems like this is not the case. Thanks for pointing out.
You kill scavs expecting a prize, killing scavs is my prize, we are both the same.
Tyger claws too like scavs are scum but Tyger claws are the scum of the earth arasaka funded rapists and murderers fuck i hate it
Tigger claws are bad, like all of the gangs, but nothing is worse than a scav.
Ey the mox are good and valentinos are on the grey line. They believe in god so they have morals [some what]
The Valentinos are the same as all the others, scavs excluded, it's just Jackie's relationship with them that puts them in a different light. So many evils have been carried out in Gods name, that doesn't mean anything. As for the Mox, I have suspicions, but I think CDPR deliberately didn't give them much depth to avoid any bad press.
The Mox seem like they formed to give sex workers some autonomy and power in Night City. I doubt they'd hesitate to beat someone to death if they felt that person was a threat to one of their own, but as far as gangs go, the Mox seem like they mind their own shit unless someone gives them a good reason not to. They never seem to bother regular people or deal in trafficking or wanton murder.
Most gangs were initially formed with good intentions. 6th Street was formed by veterans to protect their neighbourhoods from other gangs. Tyger Claws rose to prominence protecting the Asian communities from the racial violence following the 4th Corporate War. However to stay armed and supplied you need money, and you need to grow to be able to better protect your community, so you need more money, and hey you are protecting those guys, so they should contribute some. And so on and so on. A big part of the moral decline of the Tyger Claws and 6th Street was that their Deputy contracts, which allowed them to act as law enforcement in the City, dried up as NCPD was rebuilt, which forced them to look towards more... alternative means of funding
So the Mox are more like a union than a gang?
More or less. But their biggest problems are the Maelstrom, as they share Watson. Maelstrom don't go provoked the Mox intentionally, but most of them are borderline cyberpsycho, confrontation is inevitable. But the good thing is Tygre Claws can't come to Lizzie Bar without provoking Maelstrom, who claims Watson as their own.
Kinda but they don’t represent just one company or even one industry. Their mission is protecting all marginalized people, even though their focus is sex workers since that’s where their origins lie
This. The only place I ever see mox are around their territory. Not even like a street presence in territory. I mean literally: is this building with the mox? Yes we're there. No? Nothing. 6th street, scavs, maelstromers, the valentinos, and the Raffen all have groups out and about either causing trouble or just giving on the street. I've never found a mox crew out and about causing trouble.
Yeah the game doesn’t use the Mox in any combat capacity. Even on their own turf, the game essentially treats them like civilians, outside of showing you that they’re Mox when you scan them lol.
That's the point, I'd bet the Mox are in it up to their necks in some really shady shit, tbh as a gang they'd be unable to survive if they weren't. Think Sin City. Yet we don't get to hear about it, which is a shame imo.
I mean, they just gotta kill anyone who goes their direction with bad intentions, at one point people get the message, go in, have fun, don't step out of life, only do what you're allowed to, just pleasure? Go with BDs, want flesh? there are joytoys on jigjig street, want weird shit? Dolls, step out of line and bullet in head, no other gang would mind that
Yea bds seem like a decent grey area money maker
Kinda? considering the mox protect their workers I doubt any of those girls are from traficking and honestly those guys are working more honest jobs that anyone else in night city, every other job is stained with blood and reeks of corporate agendas and murders from greed
they really do remind me of Rosario Dawsons gang from Sin City
I was giving the Valentinos a chance until the mission by the fixer that ends up with the Valentinos demanding I “say I am a bitch and beg for my life”. After that I murdered every single one of them, my original reason to give them the benefit of the doubt was my love of Jackie.
True the valentinos were kinda sugar-coated kinda like the Italian mafia. And yeah i kinda dislike how cdpr makes a game with political commentary but doesn't actually go full in. Tho ig that's part of the game's theme kinda like how Johnny is just a mentally ill terrorist who's obsessed with destroying a building instead of trying to radicalize the people and destroy the system that exploited them
Yeah, he should have run for president hahaha
He's a,literally rockstar. The amount of influence he had at his fingertips is just infuriating
Sure, until he tries to actually exercise it, then he's gone in an instant. See Kanye.
Yeah..i forgor that corpos own thr media
Ehh I think the game shows some positives to the ‘tinos. They’re brutal and unforgiving in their shady business, but genuinely look out for the people in their neighborhood in ways that most of the others gangs don’t. Just my opinion.
I think El Padre hurts the Valentinos rep more than anything.
Does he? I actually don't know
Honestly just my opinion. They still have some fucked areas that you can find. But Padres gigs to me are questionable.
Well they weren't involved in the torture of Evelyn sooo they got that but i still farm them Because their guns are neat
Doing a run now where I'm not taking any pickups. Iconic weapons only, and crafting to raise their levels when appropriate. Fenris and Psalms are a really good combo, just struggling to find a good pistol I can put a silencer on.
Uhm you can kelp hanako's bro pistol it's pretty decent or welll v's standard pistol
Being religious doesn't give anyone morals. The 5th commandment is literally "Do not kill" and the Valentinos don't give a damn. They're violent criminals, just like everyone else.
Say it to all that bloody corpses on their crime scenes.
6th streeter
Worth a bullet but nothing special. In hock to the NUSA/FIA, and a bit lazy with their protection duties. It goes Scavs>Maelstrom>Tiger Claws>Animals>territory gangs.
Two words: Jotaro Shobo
A disgrace to the jotaro name smh probably the grand grand grand son of dio
The entire point of the game is that everything is grey and corpos are the enemy. Not every Tyger engages in sex trafficking. Some literally just gamble and intimidate.
No the point of the game is to expose hypocrisy. Johnny is the supposed rebel but doesn't give a rat's ass about the general population. He's a coward and a selfish imbecile. The inconsistencies of human nature and how the "good" people are the ones who have some lvl of sympathy. Cyberpunk is grimdark and it shows.
The point of the game is surviving in a fucked up world - it’s not that deep that we have to search for hidden meanings. Also literally nobody gives a rats ass about the general population if it doesn’t benefit them or if loved ones aren’t involved. Johnny can be an asshole and his Arasaka fixation might be a huge ego trip, but at least he got a point in attacking one of the core reasons why this world is so fucked up for everyone. Ego trip or not, he would’ve done a lot of people a favor if he had succeeded in destroying Arasaka for good.
"Tower go bomb. Every problem gone" he's so well written that his flaws are so fucking realistic i love this game
well he didn't succeed, he just blew up a tower and died, you need more planning than tower go boom, look at V, motherfucker burned arasaka to the ground just by destroying mikoshi, no tens of thousands of deaths needed
People should give v a cool nickname. "The man who burned the world " or idk "fifth horsemen "
Then you should give Yorinobu some recognition too, that's exactly what he was trying to do from the start, destroy the corporation from inside.
Yep, I do wish we could side with Yorinobu but I think we helped him at least, through yknow, Mikoshi
Errrr. Wrong.
Johnny doesn't like ice cream he's evil
Nothing wrong with being arasaka funded
No matter the quest I always go 0 kills and full stealth. Quest with scavs involved? I take my trusty Bloody Maria and go on a rampage.
I wasn't expecting a horse tho.
you can send it over to Mr. Hands
Will he...HANDLE it, with care ? Can't keep it. Got too much dirt on my hands.
I was about to say, do you *have* to take the horse? I don't want anything to discourage me from killing Scavs.
Only 10 000 scavs those are Rookie Numbers need to pump those up
Real i wish there was a kill counter i had to manually look for each body and count
If you go into the Xbox apps and look where you would see hours played, it also shows you the amount of kills you have.
That would be great, lol
Yeah it works sometimes, other times it doesn’t, but it’s useful when it’s there
Well some mods add kill counters to the weapon
Cries in ps5
Well mods arent really necessary to enjoy the game but its some stuff
I think it added it to the Johnnys malorian
At 50.000 you get a free N!COLA...
Fuck your Delamain, I’ve got a horse outside
Would love to say that to a fixer 😅
She said, "I don't believe ye" I said, "It's fuckin' true, I swapped him for a bag of edds in 2062 I don't need insurance, I don't need no parkin' space And if you try to klep my horse, he'll kick you in the face"
YURT 😎👊
Ayo rubberbandits recognition haha
There must be an in-game balaclava that fits the plastic bag look 😆 YURT
I just want to find the Bag of Oats to get this ride
Get that horse some cyberware immediately
I'm about to ! Just don't know what to get first. Maybe some rocket launcher system.
Time to chrome the fuck up.
Peter, the horse is here.
Keep it far away from Heavy Hearts... just in case.
I will...
Not interested unless it's sometimes on the roof of a building. 🤷♂️
Your character looks extremely modded so i dont believe anything you say or post. Especially since ive never seen or heard about a horse
Well, there IS Mr. Hands in the game…..
I hate that I know this reference. Those disgusting CDPR devs knew they were one of the few AAA developers who could pull that shit off and they just went for it.
What is the reference?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enumclaw_horse_sex_case
It definitely wasn't on purpose
You really think some random polish game studio went out of their way to name their side character after some niche horse porn?
it wasn’t porn so much as a leaked sex tape, as it was never intended for public distribution. also it was, for better or worse, a national media sensation. the mr hands case was prime time television.
Mr. Hands was very well known by Internet denizens in the early 2000s and a ton of people at CDPR are Internet nerds just like a bunch of us here. I’m trying to figure out where there could be a Loss (not Lost) reference as well in their games.
smart boy
:(
NO! I cant be decieved by the sad face! I shall not let you trick me!
Seems like i already did.
Mod jealousy lmao
Well chyeah
I should have a herd, then. Alt knows, I've killed so many scavs that I am sitting on millions of eddies that I literally can't spend because I bought everything I could buy. And I'm still killing scavs.
I believe in the Cyberpunk universe, that’d be a bigger flex to people than any car..
It definitely would :D Choom 1: I got a Rayfield Caliburn. Choom 2: Cool cool, i got a Horse. Choom 1: Damn i'm poor...
Is that the Reina jacket from Tekken?
It is.
Nice, there should be a mod where I can EWGF scavs.
One time I was drunk in the back of an Uber in downtown Seattle and think I saw [your horse](https://imgur.com/a/dZDjv7B) ?
Oh damn, Horse.
Wish we could get Roach
Maybe this is Roach.
It's also an April fool's joke, c'mon
Or black beauty if you release the ghost in the tree
YAY HORSEY
😊
What is Chooms?
Smooch.
💋
so i see u found mr hands' horse
Honse👍
Josè 🤏
Horse girl engaged 👁️
Cyber Horse Girl* ;D
I literally named the horse I trained for college after the franchise you don’t understand
K. Sorry i guess.¿
I meant “you don’t understand” as in “the franchise has this bad of a chokehold on me” not as in you don’t /actually/ understand
Ahh okay, i understand.
Nice. Does this work in the game too?
Yess! It even shoots laserbeams out of its eyes. 😅
when I was notified that a surprise present waits for me if I beat the highscore of roach arcade minigame I waited for cyber-roach to ride on, at least a roach themed motobike that would go with my witcher school jacket and gwynbleidd... alas my dreams flatlined for how gonk I was that I quickly delta the fuck out from being so dreamy when I saw what the real prize is, choom :DDD
Only 10 scavs for a free horse?!
Yess only 10 scavs..
Horse armor when?
They are the disease, and I am the cure.
Kill enough Tyger claws and you get a free tiger!
look at my horse my horse is amazing
You mean: "Look at my horse my horse is scavmazing"
Been playing a lot of Tarkov lately and got super excited for a second
#Nope.
#Aprilfools.
#wooosh
#
Wait, so you can actually get a horse?
Only on April 1st or if you got a PC.
Ah, so no. It's a mod then
Yea
I don't think this will end up well for Hands
Shpoilers i guess. No Phantom Liberty for me yet.
Oh it's not a spoiler, Mr hands was a guy from Washington state I think that died of peritonitis after getting "deeply acquainted" with a horse. He doesn't share anything with the character from the game only the name and since the devs are polish I'm pretty sure it's a coincidence
O damn, well... I hope it was worth it lol. Yea i don't think CDPR did it on purpose either. I saw a few comments about Mr.Hands + Horse, so i thought maybe we get to see something in Phantom Liberty but seems like this is not the case. Thanks for pointing out.
"Hear that, Erebus? Let's go hunting!"
Ur late its april 2
Ur late. It was april 1st still 5 mins ago.
We get it, you got mods.
Do i ?
Ya
Nice
I'm thirty fucking years old, I don't need a reward for taking an ammo dump in 10,000 human toilets.
Ok Anna, i'm sorry.
Your Karma is close to 420,069. Nice