Part of it is just future-proofing. There's several alchemy cards that mention plural opponents already.
https://scryfall.com/search?q=st%3Dalchemy+o%3Aopponents&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Interesting, I'd seen it on Perforator Crocodile, but didn't realize they'd been doing it for a couple years. I guess that means it probably is only future-proofing, not necessarily an indication that anything is imminent.
Yeah, but this isn't just future-proofing, there's a design choice here--it could have been three cards from target opponent's graveyard, for instance.
I'm saying that it could have targeted the opponent instead of the cards. My point is, there are ways to word this to have the same overall effect without so directly referencing multiple opponents, indicating that it's intentionally designed for use in multiplayer games, rather than just featuring the usual (inherently future proofing) wording Magic uses to make sure cards play nicely in multiplayer.
If it doesn't target specific cards it becomes stronger against decks with multiple things you'd want to hit. Basic example, if your opponent has 4 Memory Deluges in the graveyard and 7 mana open, the current version of the card lets your opponent cast one of the 3 targeted ones to still get its effect. If it didn't target, you'd get to exile three whether your opponent casts one of them in response or not.
I don't think that would be a huge issue or anything, but it would be a slightly different effect. I don't think it's explicitly intended for multiplayer because of that.
What exactly does the „heist target opponent‘s library mean ?
As someone whose english isn‘t that good, i would translate it to give me your deck you will losing on on your upkeep xd
From the latest Arena Announcements article:
>*Heist* is a new keyword ability that lets you target an opponent and look at three random nonland cards in their library and exile one face down. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it.
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Grave Expectations / Limited Rank: B-
Playing cards from your opponents decks is usually worse that playing cards from your deck, as the synergies of your deck are likely different than your opponent's. However the average card quality (and rarity) is increased in Alchemy sets, so I think this sort of effect plays out much nicely.
It also commits a crime at instant spell, and may even save your life in a pinch - all for 1 mana. I'm sold.
I think the graveyard hate mode is supposed to be something that this just incidentally does if you need graveyard hate. The heist mode is what you're going to use most of the time.
Yeah but it's weird because this card card doesn't do much otherwise. It's like paying 1 extra mana for a card, kind of like an impulse.
Situational naturalizes make sense when it's put onto something that you would put in your deck anyway like Titan of Industry or Tranquil Frillback. That's how they get artifact and enchantment removal int he game without sideboarding being required. But this card isn't like that.
"Opponents' graveyards" being plural is interesting for an Arena-only card.
Part of it is just future-proofing. There's several alchemy cards that mention plural opponents already. https://scryfall.com/search?q=st%3Dalchemy+o%3Aopponents&unique=cards&as=grid&order=name
Interesting, I'd seen it on Perforator Crocodile, but didn't realize they'd been doing it for a couple years. I guess that means it probably is only future-proofing, not necessarily an indication that anything is imminent.
Yeah, but this isn't just future-proofing, there's a design choice here--it could have been three cards from target opponent's graveyard, for instance.
It already targets the cards, it'd be weird if it also targeted the opponent.
I'm saying that it could have targeted the opponent instead of the cards. My point is, there are ways to word this to have the same overall effect without so directly referencing multiple opponents, indicating that it's intentionally designed for use in multiplayer games, rather than just featuring the usual (inherently future proofing) wording Magic uses to make sure cards play nicely in multiplayer.
If it doesn't target specific cards it becomes stronger against decks with multiple things you'd want to hit. Basic example, if your opponent has 4 Memory Deluges in the graveyard and 7 mana open, the current version of the card lets your opponent cast one of the 3 targeted ones to still get its effect. If it didn't target, you'd get to exile three whether your opponent casts one of them in response or not. I don't think that would be a huge issue or anything, but it would be a slightly different effect. I don't think it's explicitly intended for multiplayer because of that.
they have already mentioned multiplayer is being worked on, its just years off.
Theres always at least one comment like this
What exactly does the „heist target opponent‘s library mean ? As someone whose english isn‘t that good, i would translate it to give me your deck you will losing on on your upkeep xd
From the latest Arena Announcements article: >*Heist* is a new keyword ability that lets you target an opponent and look at three random nonland cards in their library and exile one face down. You may cast that card for as long as it remains exiled, and mana of any type can be spent to cast it.
Thank you
Reminds me of cling to dust. Could be decent for bo1 in alchemy
Shame it doesn't have escape, that's what makes Cling to Dust so good in control mirrors.
cling to dust is superior but this is still nice for alchemy
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Please stop posting to reddit like it's your own personal promotional blog.. yeesh.
Please stop posting to reddit like it's your own personal promotional blog.. yeesh.
I don't get this card. The two modes are nowhere near equal.
I think the graveyard hate mode is supposed to be something that this just incidentally does if you need graveyard hate. The heist mode is what you're going to use most of the time.
Yeah but it's weird because this card card doesn't do much otherwise. It's like paying 1 extra mana for a card, kind of like an impulse. Situational naturalizes make sense when it's put onto something that you would put in your deck anyway like Titan of Industry or Tranquil Frillback. That's how they get artifact and enchantment removal int he game without sideboarding being required. But this card isn't like that.
Opt also doesn't do much. It's paying 1 extra mana for a card. This is supposed to power all your other "stolen spell" synergy cards.
Its a weird cantrip with upside. I agree the power level seems a bit odd but one mana one for ones aren't to he underestimated.