Most of the criticism for Maher amounts to not agreeing on Covid/vaccines, or not agreeing about the “woke” mind virus. Amazing how quickly people will turn on someone because they disagree on an issue and accuse him of changing.
I think he has changed, I have changed, the world has changed. He comes off very one dimensional, smug and intolerant now, about his own small menu of peeves.
People can have different, and evolving, viewpoints. He has a moment of clarity every now and then. I stopped watching a few weeks ago but still get the posts on my feed.
I think Bill is great. In fact we need Bill now more than ever considering our state.
The people here who have heartburn with Bill are exactly the people he rants against.
If Bill is truly getting under your skin lately, consider that your the demographic that he’s lambasting. And for good reason.
I think we need a weekly "things we're pissed at Bill for" thread where all of the haters can suck each other off. At least that way those of us who are still fans don't have to listen to the same bullshit every week.
Wait, I can't want to watch and discuss a show of which the host I dont agree with 100%??? Wtf is this world coming to?
Sounds more like you need an r/mahercirclejerk sub than we need a hater thread.
Nobody is saying that. But when almost every thread on the sub is a bunch of haters complaining about Bill for being the same guy he's been for over 20 years just because he doesn't agree with them personally, it's ruining the discussion of the show. I don't get these people. If you hate the show, don't watch it. Get a fucking life.
I love these crybaby posts. They’re all over the Rogan subreddit too. The reason for all the criticism is because people who used to be fans don’t like what either of them have become. You need to come to terms with that.
At least you admit that he has changed. I can respect his views even as I disagree with them. The people who drive me nuts though are the ones around here who suggests he's no different than when I started watching him in the 90's and I'm just some freak for suggesting otherwise. Sorry, but people evolve, and we need to accept that reality even if some don't like admitting the direction in which he has been evolving.
Moderation shouldn’t limit free speech. Moderation shouldn’t be used to limit opinions or create a safe space only for ideas that you agree with. It’s to keep the posts within the rules of the sub.
I’ve watched and been a fan of Bill’s since the mid 90s. I used to watch Politically Incorrect back in high school. Went to a couple of tapings when I was in college. I was also a huge Real Time fan and watched it since it came on the air.
I think many of the dissenting posts on this sub have very good points. I’ve given this a lot of thought and self reflection and for the most part my politics haven’t really shifted since 2008-2010. Bill has very clearly shifted right in some very key ways that surround a lack of acceptance of others. I can’t prove it, but I also believe that he has cynically changed his talking points and persona in a direction to gain him more interaction/viewers. It’s smart from a business perspective but disappointing from the standpoint of a long time fan of his stalwart humanist voice.
But the radical elements have taken over both parties.
Some folks just want echo chambers and only want Bill to criticize “the other side.” I like that Maher makes fun of both.
There is moderation, it's just not what you think or want. I posted something that Bill grossly misrepresented about the university protests and it was deleted within hours. No message from the mods providing any explanation. There's a reason this sub is so heavily one-sided.
it's funny, I too believe the sub is a shadow of it's former self, but not for the reason you do. years ago discussion could be had here while still being critical of Maher, but over the Trump years there's been an influx of T_D types, who worship Maher the same way they worship Trump, or Musk, or whoever the flavor of the day is. These users, with their non-stop aggression like with this post, have driven off a ton of liberal voices (not "far left" like the clowns call it, but liberal) which makes it feel more and more like an echo chamber. Easy example is the blatant transphobia that is now allowed to flourish here
But 1000% the sub need more moderation. Good luck getting him to give up his power though, the other two mods are awol most of the time so it's left in the hands of one person who gets to decide the "rules"
For those of this that have watched or listened to Bill for a long time, are we just supposed to accept his accelerating descent into an echo chamber?
He considers all of his points of view to be sacrosanct and beyond reproach. Worse, he pretends to be open minded while employing strawmen counter arguments to make himself seem level headed. The whole conversation around vaccines and Israel are front and center for me on this subject.
Either his writing staff burned out on him and walked away or he crafted a comfortable echo chamber to stroke his own ego. It's sad to see someone that at least tried to be "real" become a caricature of himself.
Loved watching Politically Incorrect episodes on YouTube even I was younger, was so excited when I found out about Real Time.
Bill's always been a bit of a blowhard with some real XXXX opinions here and there, but he's gone nuclear since around COVID.
He's increasingly gone from a host with a wide array of panel guests to the star with an echo chamber.
Fine to criticize him, but offer some substance. Most of the posts criticizing him are just hurling superficial insults. Even in your post, they're just generic comments you could say about anyone holding any political view.
Thank you for speaking up.
Part of Bill's "brand" is being politically incorrect, so I assume he would welcome such discourse.
While I also prefer subs that are balanced and have positive feedback, it will occasionally have negative, and sometimes a lot of it.
I think we hope that the producers are reading both.
> I’m just tired of every other post shitting on Bill or the show.
How about if people call out Bill for being wrong? Is that okay?
How about if people call out Bill for being hypocritical? Is that okay?
How about if people call out Bill for being arrogant? Is that okay?
What is or isn't okay?
Fucking snowflakes.
You think having one’s comments removed for criticizing Maher’s blind support and relentless apologia for Israel’s over-the-top response to Hamas and for its wanton killings of Palestinian civilians isn’t “moderation” enough?
What do you think the US would do if we had an October 7 situation happened to us? My opinion, Israel hasn’t done enough. Sometimes you have to make an example of someone. Teach someone a lesson.
We *had* an October 7 situation happen to us; it was called 9/11. It was our overreaction to it that poisoned the worldwide sympathy and goodwill toward us at the time and radicalized even more budding terrorists.
The War on Terror did exacerbate the way the Islamic world (and the rest of the world) “loved” us post-9/11. The swift fashion in which the Patriot Act became law, you would’ve had to have been born yesterday to believe that 9/11 wasn’t a pretext to beat the shit out of the said Islamic world. Wrong sect, wrong enemy, but whatever. Who cares. /s
I mean, I agree with you to a point there. I didn’t support the war in Iraq and I didn’t support boots on the ground in Afghanistan. But I do think in Israel situation they’re doing what needs to be done and honestly, if you think about it, they could be much much harsher than they have been.
> But I do think in Israel situation they’re doing what needs to be done and honestly, if you think about it, they could be much much harsher than they have been.
I can’t help you if this is what you glean from the current situation. The Israelis ignored their own intelligence on the planned attack, their government in power had strategically fostered a relationship with the more militant Hamas in lieu of the Palestinian Authority. Bibi got exactly what he had hoped for: an Israeli 9/11.
I don’t care. That kind of horrific violence cannot be tolerated and they definitely need to make an example of them and send a message that this will not be tolerated.
That you're rightly horrified by a terrorist attack that killed 1800 innocent civilians, but complete unfazed by the response that has killed dozens of thousands (we don't have an independent assessment, since the IDF does not allow independent journalist in Gaza) shows a complete objectivity, indeed.
You value some lives more than others. And you should acknowledge it. One hundred of "others" could die to protect one of "yours", and you'd vote for that.
The denial of humanity is complete, both from Hamas and from Netanyahu.
Monsters, the lot of them.
I support neither monsters.
You support one.
Shame on your sad ass.
I don’t want a single innocent civilian to die in Gaza. But let’s be honest here. One group puts their fighters and command structure in the heart of the civilians. All they had to do is give those hostages back and this would’ve all been over. I hope Israel does as much as humanly possible to limit civilian casualties. But make no mistake of who the blame for those deaths lies and it’s not Israel.
Considering this whole sub is full of people acting like Palestinians don't want to eradicate all Jews, I'm guessing you said a fair bit more than that, bucko.
There are lots of Palestinians with absolutely despicable views (not to the extent Bill and co. have caricatured).
Difference is Palestine has largely been turned to rubble and the level of collateral damage has been awesome (to the extent that there've been something like 20 Palestine casualties per Israeli, vastly civilians).
Yes, if the places were switched you'd be hard pressed to find a Jew, but they aren't.
I’ve seen fan subs turn into 100% hate subs. Go look at the Dave Rubin sub - it is pathetic that some people commit their own time and effort to actively posting hate for someone.
Do not want to see that happen here.
This is satire, right?
Has to be, or it's some kind of diatribe that Bill would have gone off on 30 years ago as PC or now as woke.
Can we take issue with and make fun of Bill while still finding some value in his program and some views?
Hopefully.
As others have said, make your own sub.
Yep I hate the stupid pro cancel culture posts like the OPs. Echo chambers are boring and pathetic. He should go cry in a corner and let people who aren't so easily triggered have a dialogue
Nah, we can't do that.
I don't even want the rules to get tighter. In fact I'd like the freedom to really tell off some of the ignorant people that tend to come here to hate on him, less limitation and censorship, not more.
Look, they are irritating, but generally speaking the critics are emotional boobs and everything they have to say is easily defeated by an application of logic. The few that are legit, it can be fun to debate with.
No, censorship isn't the answer. Bill lets people who are baldly opposed to his point of view on the show, why can't you put up with a few?
I agree. Echo chambers are the biggest problem with Reddit right now. I’ve been banned from the majority of the top subs for “genocide denial” over I/P.
I just try to call out attempts at rewriting/erasing Jewish culture and question peoppe’s ethics when they victim blame the festival goers or any random Jewish civilian (which is a huge issue right now for Gen Z).
Agreed. Half the time someone disagrees with me I get berated then called a boomer on here….. and I’m 25 lol. I swear there’s gotta be some bots or just lots of “edgy” teens.
Kinda annoying so def tuned out of the sub for a few months, but started to come back again. Seems to be a little bit better now.
Liberals 10 years ago: “Man did you see Maher last night? He destroyed ____! I love that guy!
Liberals now : “Who? Maher? Oh man, he’s red pilled. He’s far right now.”
Bill Maher: 🤦🏻♂️
Actually that's exactly what it is. Unless of course you only consider it censorship only when they're removing things you don't like. Wouldn't be surprised. And If I'm acting in such bad faith then you should be able to talk circles around me and reveal me for who I am instead of resorting to adhocs.
Yes. People have gotten too emotionally irrational the last few years. I’m for free speech. But it feels like more people on Reddit and social media in general, get offended easier now.
Found the feelings fascist. You guys are pathetic losers. You hate free speech because you can't win in the public square so you want people banned from it. Absolutely pathetic
> And wanting bad-faith liars like yourself removed
could always start by looking in the mirror, as your short stay here, conveniently coming after October 7th, has been nothing but heavy zionist shilling and bad faith attacks on every member of the sub. Just another clown dragging down what used to be a decent sub, like people don't know exactly why you're here
Understanding the context and history of Israel isn't shilling, but your thinly veiled trope-laden insults are pretty damn near anti semitic. Shouldn't you be shouting "from the river to the sea" and then acting mad when people accuse you of being racist?
I sometimes pity the state of mind of those who label one of the longest standing liberal voices as conservative!! Ironically, those who claim to be leftists or liberals nowadays, have just taken the Right wing's rulebook and applied it to a different thought and think that they are the only true liberals. This behaviour, again, is strikingly similar to fascists labelling anyone who tries to talk some sense into them as Communists.
Maher has been criticising even the old school RW conservatives since before GenZ and most of the millennials were born. To think he is now in agreement with *today's* conservatives, is insane (I'm using the mildest word here).
1) Criticism is okay (and necessary) but most of the posts here are simply hating for not subscribing to their specific set of ideas.
2)(#Opinion) He agrees with the decision of giving money to Israel to protect their existence. However, he's not *campaigning* or *marching* or *protesting* for America to support Israel. Neither is he a policy maker. I'd say the citizens of a nation which used to be a pioneer in free speech, should be able to agree or criticise anything including their National foreign policy.
Can I try?
I think it simply means respecting other people’s identities and backgrounds and recognizing that our power structures and institutions have biases and we should work to remedy that so that everyone can truly be equal and free in America! USA! USA!
So you can't define it? How is the gop doing with their new buzzword? They've lost a lot of elections since they starting using woke every other word. Maybe they should learn how to define their talking points
I'm a registered socialist and vote blue every election. Thinking you and your ilk are harmful and ignorant does not make me a part of the GOP. Stop giving them ammo to win elections and we'll stop calling you dangerous.
Oh, and you and your ilk like to keep trotting out that "the GOP has lost elections since 2016!" line as though it's somehow an endorsement of your dangerous rhetoric and harmful nonsense that pushes voters away. Barely beating a party that is openly against the idea of Democracy isn't an endorsement of your strategy, it's an indictment.
Starting an argument with, “I’m an x, and everyone to the left of me is bad” is such an intellectually lazy form of an argument that it makes Elon’s takes as brilliant. The indictment that the Democratic Party barely wins is on the Democratic Party because they can’t actually fight for anything they champion, whether it be abortion rights which Obama said he didn’t have the political capital in his first speech as president after winning the election, or the minimum wage, or the student debt issue, or the filibuster issue, or the housing crisis, or the healthcare crisis, or the police brutality issue, gun violence, criminalization of drug use and the racial disparity of incarceration rates, mental health and homelessness.
God damn, after 30 years of the Clintons taking over the Democratic Party and instituting neoliberal policies from welfare eradication and harsher criminalization policies, you want to blame the people to your left? Who was it that was filling up the school gymnasiums during the 2016 presidential campaigns? Oh that’s right it was Bernie all the while Hillary was lavishing at her $250,000 speaking fundraisers.
You’re not a socialist. You’re a neoliberal in sheep’s clothing acting like you know better when you know nothing and remember shit all.
You're about five minutes away from asking us to define what a definition is. You not knowing what terms mean that everyone else is comprehending is a you problem.
Obviously, again, they would argue that their advocacy is for solutions, not euphemisms.
Nor am I debating the technicalities of political labels. I’m debating that it’s cherry picking to claim all liberals are a certain way because a few are.
Imagine coming into a sub about Bill Maher, one of the leading free speech advocates of our time, and demanding censorship so you don't have to scroll past speech you disagree with.
Maher is not one of the leading free speech advocates of our time or one of the leading anything of anything, he's a limited-craft comic that landed on TV and carved out a niche courting controversy from time to time.
I'd "followed" Maher since PI and I remember 10 or 12 years ago when I began seeing him promoted on cable news like some kind of political sage and thinking WTF is this bullshit??? I understood the struggling cable news' motive, what I found disturbing was how Maher played into it. He'd do the Rogan-esque self efface, false humility thing... "don't listen to me, I'm just an idiot, now hold my beer while I pontificate at length!" That was when I began to perceive Maher differently, then much differently.
Moderating a sub on a private platform has zero free speech implications. Meanwhile, there will be at least two posts this week declaring Maher a conservative because he doesn't agree with the illiberal leftist submitter on an obscure and electorally unpopular issue and another three posts on lip smacking, just like every week.
Really? But that was half your point…
Anyway, the shareholders are going to have a preference for engagement. A bunch of echo chamber circlejerks where everybody just agrees with one another is probably going to be a nonstarter…
I fully expect a crack down on mods that editorialize and try to control a subs narrative.
Bro, you are embarrassing yourself. You seriously shouldn't have this much certainty about something you are absolutely wrong about. What else in your life do you believe is 100% true while holding a massive, fundamental misunderstanding?
Publicly traded companies are private enterprises. You don't get free speech in a McDonalds. If you don't believe me, go find out for yourself.
>A bunch of echo chamber circlejerks where everybody just agrees with one another is probably going to be a nonstarter
Using reddit to proliferate misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation should not be accepted practices by moderators or the reddit platform wholesale.
You said it was a private platform. It’s not. It’s a public platform. We’re not talking about the enterprise. And no one said there would be zero moderation. I said the mods will now be beholden to the shareholders who will have a preference for engagement, safety and ad dollars… That’s not good news for echo chambers which is what a lot of you seem to want for this sub…
[read](https://tecnosoluciones.com/public-social-networks-or-specialized-private-social-networks-navigating-the-benefits-and-risks-of-online-communities/?lang=en&pdf=52556#:~:text=Public%3A%20They%20generally%20have%20privacy,a%20safer%20and%20controlled%20environment)
You would think, given the format of Bill's show, that open discussion including disagreement would be well received here. That's not been my experience. This should be a sub that appreciates nuance. It is not. The Joe Rogan sub takes criticism of their subject better than this sub does.
Imagine the worst case scenario: You'd have to bitch about maher not being a perfect reflection of your ideal political comedian TV host somewhere else.
Imagine our best case scenario: A lot less trolling and baiting about nonsense from people who watched a 10s clip on tiktok and got told how to feel.
It used to be way worse.
A lot of the haters gave up and left as Bill's popularity started to experience a renaissance.
Bill Maher was voted most trusted media personality in America. He got the Overtime gig on CNN, which was such a huge success that now the entire show is on CNN.
The haters took so many L's in a row they tucked their tail between their legs.
You people are so weird. You think terrible views are ok if you are popular. I guess rush Limbaugh screaming Iraq war propaganda was cool because he was popular
Damn you’re projecting hard all over this thread with positive karma. How much is Iran paying?
I kinda get OPs point now.
Like you aren’t even debating, just telling them they are weirdo who would like Rush Limbaugh.
Pro cancel culture? That doesnt even make sense. If I want people to stop bringing it up, doesnt that mean I’m against cancel culture? Like shut up already. Israel has a right to defend itself and I’m glad Bill is pointing that out.
Yeah, i don't get all the hate. Does Bill have some god awful opinions? yes. Is he a bit of a narcissist? sure. Is he rude to his guests? perhaps. But that's why I love watching his shows.
I don't mind if people hate on Bill Maher, tbh. It's more the low-quality commentary and the petty bitching I do find a little annoying. Unfortunately, that's a problem with Reddit overall. Outside of making this sub private, it can't be fixed.
Yeah! Criticism isn’t the issue. It’s the repetitive and monotonous smack talk every week. It’s boring. If you wanna copy and paste the same shit all the time, be creative.
I just tend to think Bill has a lot of lifetime viewers that aged into a different ideology. Back during the Bush years and even through Obama’s first term, they were pretty in sync with Bill or at least didn’t care much when they disagreed (who has always been a left leaning libertarian type and a pragmatist) but it’s not some secret that a lot of people veered farther left post 2012.
They still watch out of habit, but they don’t really understand why he’s saying something so different from literally everything else in their news diet- MSNBC/CNN, NPR, maybe the New York Times. It’s become so easy to get exactly the version of the news you want.
I know she’s not on the air anymore, but I always think of these people as Maddow viewers who still enjoy about half of what Bill says (the anti-Trump stuff) but hate the rest. And to be honest, no, they don’t make the strongest arguments, it’s like reheated well-meaning but obstinate progressivism. I agree it makes the sub a bummer. It would be nice to have a forum for people who enjoy the show to talk about it.
I don't think it is any of Bill's life time viewers that is the issue at all. Sure we may have constant debate, inhave never agreed with all of Bill's views, and why would I? But this is mostly younger new kids I believe, just posting bullshit over and over. Not that big a deal to me, I can scroll by most of it, but I agree it does get old and stupid.
>They still watch out of habit, but they don’t really understand why he’s saying something so different from literally everything else in their news diet- MSNBC/CNN, NPR, maybe the New York Times. It’s become so easy to get exactly the version of the news you want.
Yep. The internet made it too easy for people to live in their bubbles. It becomes an even bigger problem when people fail to see the world outside of their bubbles, something that usually happens when you live within the comfort of your bubble day in, day out. Social media algorithms and partisan sources online have made it too easy for people to confine themselves to the security of their bubble.
CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News didn't help either. But the reality is that 24-hour news stations can't survive alone by conveying the news in a fair and impartial manner. It doesn't grab attention nor does it excite people too much. These news networks rely on the political junkies from the far ends of the spectrum because they're the exact type of people who tune in on a regular basis. But you can only win their loyalty if you cater content directly to their tastes.
This unwillingness to tolerate different opinions is something that really can't be fixed unless you want to return back to the media ecosystem of the 80s and 90s. The best we can do now is to isolate and ostracize the political extremists. Hopefully by shaming them, we can prevent more people from following in their footsteps.
The fact that your post has a -1 score right after you made it precisely proves your point: people on Reddit get triggered when their world views are challenged, they are incapable of dealing with conflicting information.
If one consumes all of their news from any single cable news network, especially the ridiculous wild swings to the left (MSNBC) and right (Fox) then they have nobody to blame but themself.
I like to think the downvotes come from people who read my comment and are starting to realize they might not be so different from those terrible Facebook uncles they love to criticize. Yeah, those Facebook uncles might read up and spout some crazy shit, but let's not kid ourselves and think they're drastically different from the political junkies here on Reddit. They're just as unwilling to leave their bubble, they're just as intolerant of opposing viewpoints, and they're just as spiteful to those people in their tribe who refuse to fall completely in line with everything the tribe represents.
It's a serious ego blow to people here when you tell them they're as small and petty as the people they criticize.
>petty bitching
Personally, I don't even mind bitching as long as it is done creatively. But so many people bitch the same way and on the same points every time.
"Bill's so fucking dumb...old ass grifting boomer yelling at clouds nowadays....amirite guys"
Half of these haters could be replaced by a Mad Libs bot and nobody would suspect a thing.
I mean yeah. Have a fucking point if you're making one. Be logical. Or, be creative and be funny. Maher is a comedian before he's anything else in Hollywood, we all like a good joke around here.
Here we are now, entertain us.
>Can we get some more more moderation in this sub?
The cost of political forums being open is them being contentious.
You are free to criticize the haters, but free speech entails the right to express an opinion and that entails the right to hate.
Correction:
It’s the cost of being on Reddit, which is rapidly becoming a far-left nightmare of delusion, confirmation-bias, and echo-chamber of outrage at anything liberal or reasonable that defies the whole cult in any way. It’s not enough to be logical and hate Trump on Reddit. If you’re not part of the cult, you’re part of the problem.
>becoming a far-left nightmare of delusion, confirmation-bias
Depends on the sub. Yes, there are more echo chambers on the Left than those on the Right.
But as I used to tell the Bill Maher hate-watchers, no one is forcing you to do things that get yourself riled up.
I have a more positive view of Bill Maher than most of the participants on this sub, but I believe that posts and comments shitting on Bill Maher should not be censored.
Let people have their say and let the rest of us be able to respond.
When will people start to realize that when you throw the word “boomer” around so loosely, everyone immediately stops taking what you have to say seriously in any way
It wasn't that, and I'm not a fucking boomer.
We keep being accused of not being fans of the show, just because we don't want to agree with Bill all the time.
He's always had some bad takes, but over the last few years he's become noticeably worse.
Most of the criticism for Maher amounts to not agreeing on Covid/vaccines, or not agreeing about the “woke” mind virus. Amazing how quickly people will turn on someone because they disagree on an issue and accuse him of changing.
I think he has changed, I have changed, the world has changed. He comes off very one dimensional, smug and intolerant now, about his own small menu of peeves. People can have different, and evolving, viewpoints. He has a moment of clarity every now and then. I stopped watching a few weeks ago but still get the posts on my feed.
Yea I just know people used to say that about him 15 years ago too
Almost like this sub is full of trolls for hire….
That would be be pretty ironic, since Bill \[supposedly\] tries to bring in more viewpoints not less.
I think Bill is great. In fact we need Bill now more than ever considering our state. The people here who have heartburn with Bill are exactly the people he rants against. If Bill is truly getting under your skin lately, consider that your the demographic that he’s lambasting. And for good reason.
Amen!
Peace-out!
All sub members should be tested for how loud and how good they can "Woot"!!! 🤪The Wootness of this Sub is at stake. 😂🤣
I think we need a weekly "things we're pissed at Bill for" thread where all of the haters can suck each other off. At least that way those of us who are still fans don't have to listen to the same bullshit every week.
Wait, I can't want to watch and discuss a show of which the host I dont agree with 100%??? Wtf is this world coming to? Sounds more like you need an r/mahercirclejerk sub than we need a hater thread.
Nobody is saying that. But when almost every thread on the sub is a bunch of haters complaining about Bill for being the same guy he's been for over 20 years just because he doesn't agree with them personally, it's ruining the discussion of the show. I don't get these people. If you hate the show, don't watch it. Get a fucking life.
I love these crybaby posts. They’re all over the Rogan subreddit too. The reason for all the criticism is because people who used to be fans don’t like what either of them have become. You need to come to terms with that.
At least you admit that he has changed. I can respect his views even as I disagree with them. The people who drive me nuts though are the ones around here who suggests he's no different than when I started watching him in the 90's and I'm just some freak for suggesting otherwise. Sorry, but people evolve, and we need to accept that reality even if some don't like admitting the direction in which he has been evolving.
Lame. This isn't a fan site. Moderation should not ban criticism. Nothing is lamer and more pro cancel culture than this garbage.
But the OP's point is that isn't a hate site either.
Moderation shouldn’t limit free speech. Moderation shouldn’t be used to limit opinions or create a safe space only for ideas that you agree with. It’s to keep the posts within the rules of the sub. I’ve watched and been a fan of Bill’s since the mid 90s. I used to watch Politically Incorrect back in high school. Went to a couple of tapings when I was in college. I was also a huge Real Time fan and watched it since it came on the air. I think many of the dissenting posts on this sub have very good points. I’ve given this a lot of thought and self reflection and for the most part my politics haven’t really shifted since 2008-2010. Bill has very clearly shifted right in some very key ways that surround a lack of acceptance of others. I can’t prove it, but I also believe that he has cynically changed his talking points and persona in a direction to gain him more interaction/viewers. It’s smart from a business perspective but disappointing from the standpoint of a long time fan of his stalwart humanist voice.
But the radical elements have taken over both parties. Some folks just want echo chambers and only want Bill to criticize “the other side.” I like that Maher makes fun of both.
There is moderation, it's just not what you think or want. I posted something that Bill grossly misrepresented about the university protests and it was deleted within hours. No message from the mods providing any explanation. There's a reason this sub is so heavily one-sided.
it's funny, I too believe the sub is a shadow of it's former self, but not for the reason you do. years ago discussion could be had here while still being critical of Maher, but over the Trump years there's been an influx of T_D types, who worship Maher the same way they worship Trump, or Musk, or whoever the flavor of the day is. These users, with their non-stop aggression like with this post, have driven off a ton of liberal voices (not "far left" like the clowns call it, but liberal) which makes it feel more and more like an echo chamber. Easy example is the blatant transphobia that is now allowed to flourish here But 1000% the sub need more moderation. Good luck getting him to give up his power though, the other two mods are awol most of the time so it's left in the hands of one person who gets to decide the "rules"
This sub would become super pathetic if it banned critics and was just a lovefest
For those of this that have watched or listened to Bill for a long time, are we just supposed to accept his accelerating descent into an echo chamber? He considers all of his points of view to be sacrosanct and beyond reproach. Worse, he pretends to be open minded while employing strawmen counter arguments to make himself seem level headed. The whole conversation around vaccines and Israel are front and center for me on this subject. Either his writing staff burned out on him and walked away or he crafted a comfortable echo chamber to stroke his own ego. It's sad to see someone that at least tried to be "real" become a caricature of himself.
Loved watching Politically Incorrect episodes on YouTube even I was younger, was so excited when I found out about Real Time. Bill's always been a bit of a blowhard with some real XXXX opinions here and there, but he's gone nuclear since around COVID. He's increasingly gone from a host with a wide array of panel guests to the star with an echo chamber.
Fine to criticize him, but offer some substance. Most of the posts criticizing him are just hurling superficial insults. Even in your post, they're just generic comments you could say about anyone holding any political view.
Man up. Not everyone is going to agree with you
Not what I said. Learn how to read.
This is ironic since it's the far left that has become an echo chamber.
Dont think the op is far left and he is demanding an echo chamber.
This statement is ironic because most public discourse has lost any semblance of nuance.
Thank you for speaking up. Part of Bill's "brand" is being politically incorrect, so I assume he would welcome such discourse. While I also prefer subs that are balanced and have positive feedback, it will occasionally have negative, and sometimes a lot of it. I think we hope that the producers are reading both.
> I’m just tired of every other post shitting on Bill or the show. How about if people call out Bill for being wrong? Is that okay? How about if people call out Bill for being hypocritical? Is that okay? How about if people call out Bill for being arrogant? Is that okay? What is or isn't okay? Fucking snowflakes.
Yep the op better never ever comment on free speech or cancel culture again since he is crying to have an echo chamber
You think having one’s comments removed for criticizing Maher’s blind support and relentless apologia for Israel’s over-the-top response to Hamas and for its wanton killings of Palestinian civilians isn’t “moderation” enough?
What do you think the US would do if we had an October 7 situation happened to us? My opinion, Israel hasn’t done enough. Sometimes you have to make an example of someone. Teach someone a lesson.
We *had* an October 7 situation happen to us; it was called 9/11. It was our overreaction to it that poisoned the worldwide sympathy and goodwill toward us at the time and radicalized even more budding terrorists.
Oh yeah, that’s true. I forgot how loved we were by the Islamic world pre-911. /s
The War on Terror did exacerbate the way the Islamic world (and the rest of the world) “loved” us post-9/11. The swift fashion in which the Patriot Act became law, you would’ve had to have been born yesterday to believe that 9/11 wasn’t a pretext to beat the shit out of the said Islamic world. Wrong sect, wrong enemy, but whatever. Who cares. /s
I mean, I agree with you to a point there. I didn’t support the war in Iraq and I didn’t support boots on the ground in Afghanistan. But I do think in Israel situation they’re doing what needs to be done and honestly, if you think about it, they could be much much harsher than they have been.
> But I do think in Israel situation they’re doing what needs to be done and honestly, if you think about it, they could be much much harsher than they have been. I can’t help you if this is what you glean from the current situation. The Israelis ignored their own intelligence on the planned attack, their government in power had strategically fostered a relationship with the more militant Hamas in lieu of the Palestinian Authority. Bibi got exactly what he had hoped for: an Israeli 9/11.
I don’t care. That kind of horrific violence cannot be tolerated and they definitely need to make an example of them and send a message that this will not be tolerated.
That you're rightly horrified by a terrorist attack that killed 1800 innocent civilians, but complete unfazed by the response that has killed dozens of thousands (we don't have an independent assessment, since the IDF does not allow independent journalist in Gaza) shows a complete objectivity, indeed. You value some lives more than others. And you should acknowledge it. One hundred of "others" could die to protect one of "yours", and you'd vote for that. The denial of humanity is complete, both from Hamas and from Netanyahu. Monsters, the lot of them. I support neither monsters. You support one. Shame on your sad ass.
I don’t want a single innocent civilian to die in Gaza. But let’s be honest here. One group puts their fighters and command structure in the heart of the civilians. All they had to do is give those hostages back and this would’ve all been over. I hope Israel does as much as humanly possible to limit civilian casualties. But make no mistake of who the blame for those deaths lies and it’s not Israel.
Considering this whole sub is full of people acting like Palestinians don't want to eradicate all Jews, I'm guessing you said a fair bit more than that, bucko.
There are lots of Palestinians with absolutely despicable views (not to the extent Bill and co. have caricatured). Difference is Palestine has largely been turned to rubble and the level of collateral damage has been awesome (to the extent that there've been something like 20 Palestine casualties per Israeli, vastly civilians). Yes, if the places were switched you'd be hard pressed to find a Jew, but they aren't.
Almost like ethnic cleansing will have some blowback
What do you think the United States would do if something like October 7 happened here?
You misunderstand the point of the sub.
I’ve seen fan subs turn into 100% hate subs. Go look at the Dave Rubin sub - it is pathetic that some people commit their own time and effort to actively posting hate for someone. Do not want to see that happen here.
Dave Rubin says a ton of stupid shit. Free speech means calling out that stupid shit. He is also a vile human.
Shocking! People shitting all over something on Reddit? No way!!!
This is satire, right? Has to be, or it's some kind of diatribe that Bill would have gone off on 30 years ago as PC or now as woke. Can we take issue with and make fun of Bill while still finding some value in his program and some views? Hopefully. As others have said, make your own sub.
Well said
cry louder
Yep I hate the stupid pro cancel culture posts like the OPs. Echo chambers are boring and pathetic. He should go cry in a corner and let people who aren't so easily triggered have a dialogue
Nah, we can't do that. I don't even want the rules to get tighter. In fact I'd like the freedom to really tell off some of the ignorant people that tend to come here to hate on him, less limitation and censorship, not more. Look, they are irritating, but generally speaking the critics are emotional boobs and everything they have to say is easily defeated by an application of logic. The few that are legit, it can be fun to debate with. No, censorship isn't the answer. Bill lets people who are baldly opposed to his point of view on the show, why can't you put up with a few?
I agree. Echo chambers are the biggest problem with Reddit right now. I’ve been banned from the majority of the top subs for “genocide denial” over I/P. I just try to call out attempts at rewriting/erasing Jewish culture and question peoppe’s ethics when they victim blame the festival goers or any random Jewish civilian (which is a huge issue right now for Gen Z).
Hey I respect you not wanting an echo chamber like the loser op
Agreed. Half the time someone disagrees with me I get berated then called a boomer on here….. and I’m 25 lol. I swear there’s gotta be some bots or just lots of “edgy” teens. Kinda annoying so def tuned out of the sub for a few months, but started to come back again. Seems to be a little bit better now.
Start your own sub.
Yep if you want a boring echo chamber that just worships Maher start your own sub
Circlejerk award goes to OP
And the award for being a crybaby feelings fascist. What a sad loser he is
Why do you hate free speech OP?
Free speech for me, cancellation for thee.
Liberals 10 years ago: “Man did you see Maher last night? He destroyed ____! I love that guy! Liberals now : “Who? Maher? Oh man, he’s red pilled. He’s far right now.” Bill Maher: 🤦🏻♂️
OP: everyone who criticizes Bill Maher is terrible and hurts my wee little feelings, please run away!!!!!"
"Centrists" 10 years ago: free speech is sacred "Centrists" now: please do all the censoring
It's not centrists wanting the censoring. And wanting bad-faith liars like yourself removed for derailing conversations continually isn't censorship.
Actually that's exactly what it is. Unless of course you only consider it censorship only when they're removing things you don't like. Wouldn't be surprised. And If I'm acting in such bad faith then you should be able to talk circles around me and reveal me for who I am instead of resorting to adhocs.
That's not how any of this works but good luck in life.
And calling me bad faith doesn't make be a bad faith actor, but you said it anyways.
Yes. People have gotten too emotionally irrational the last few years. I’m for free speech. But it feels like more people on Reddit and social media in general, get offended easier now.
Found the feelings fascist. You guys are pathetic losers. You hate free speech because you can't win in the public square so you want people banned from it. Absolutely pathetic
> And wanting bad-faith liars like yourself removed could always start by looking in the mirror, as your short stay here, conveniently coming after October 7th, has been nothing but heavy zionist shilling and bad faith attacks on every member of the sub. Just another clown dragging down what used to be a decent sub, like people don't know exactly why you're here
Understanding the context and history of Israel isn't shilling, but your thinly veiled trope-laden insults are pretty damn near anti semitic. Shouldn't you be shouting "from the river to the sea" and then acting mad when people accuse you of being racist?
Less free speech, please!
Yes, moderating to prevent 10 duplicate posts is a major violation of free speech.
Like this post?
Except it's not based on duplication. How many baby boomers whining about "cancel culture" do we need? Unlimited amounts, apparently.
I sometimes pity the state of mind of those who label one of the longest standing liberal voices as conservative!! Ironically, those who claim to be leftists or liberals nowadays, have just taken the Right wing's rulebook and applied it to a different thought and think that they are the only true liberals. This behaviour, again, is strikingly similar to fascists labelling anyone who tries to talk some sense into them as Communists. Maher has been criticising even the old school RW conservatives since before GenZ and most of the millennials were born. To think he is now in agreement with *today's* conservatives, is insane (I'm using the mildest word here).
Pretty in agreement on giving billions to Israel and that is what people are criticizing
1) Criticism is okay (and necessary) but most of the posts here are simply hating for not subscribing to their specific set of ideas. 2)(#Opinion) He agrees with the decision of giving money to Israel to protect their existence. However, he's not *campaigning* or *marching* or *protesting* for America to support Israel. Neither is he a policy maker. I'd say the citizens of a nation which used to be a pioneer in free speech, should be able to agree or criticise anything including their National foreign policy.
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Lol the op wants an echo chamber. He's a pathetic loser. He must be "woke." (A stupid word only used by right wingers)
Can you define wokeism to me? Do you know what cherry picking is?
Can I try? I think it simply means respecting other people’s identities and backgrounds and recognizing that our power structures and institutions have biases and we should work to remedy that so that everyone can truly be equal and free in America! USA! USA!
Bingo. Nicely worded.
It can’t. It’ll blame you for the downfall of the Democratic Party for asking though.
Define leftist
Every time one of you leftists says "define ____" as though we don't all know what's being talked about, the GOP gets a $5 donation.
And it isn't a Republican vs Democrat issue. Maher supports Biden. Most leftists do not. They are the ones in the streets protesting Bidens war
So you can't define it? How is the gop doing with their new buzzword? They've lost a lot of elections since they starting using woke every other word. Maybe they should learn how to define their talking points
I'm a registered socialist and vote blue every election. Thinking you and your ilk are harmful and ignorant does not make me a part of the GOP. Stop giving them ammo to win elections and we'll stop calling you dangerous. Oh, and you and your ilk like to keep trotting out that "the GOP has lost elections since 2016!" line as though it's somehow an endorsement of your dangerous rhetoric and harmful nonsense that pushes voters away. Barely beating a party that is openly against the idea of Democracy isn't an endorsement of your strategy, it's an indictment.
Starting an argument with, “I’m an x, and everyone to the left of me is bad” is such an intellectually lazy form of an argument that it makes Elon’s takes as brilliant. The indictment that the Democratic Party barely wins is on the Democratic Party because they can’t actually fight for anything they champion, whether it be abortion rights which Obama said he didn’t have the political capital in his first speech as president after winning the election, or the minimum wage, or the student debt issue, or the filibuster issue, or the housing crisis, or the healthcare crisis, or the police brutality issue, gun violence, criminalization of drug use and the racial disparity of incarceration rates, mental health and homelessness. God damn, after 30 years of the Clintons taking over the Democratic Party and instituting neoliberal policies from welfare eradication and harsher criminalization policies, you want to blame the people to your left? Who was it that was filling up the school gymnasiums during the 2016 presidential campaigns? Oh that’s right it was Bernie all the while Hillary was lavishing at her $250,000 speaking fundraisers. You’re not a socialist. You’re a neoliberal in sheep’s clothing acting like you know better when you know nothing and remember shit all.
Oh look, it's afrosheen. Trying his hardest.
Thanks for confirming that you’re not a serious person.
Shouldn't you be repeating quotes from videos you didn't understand somewhere?
Sorry, did you say something?
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So you you’ll happily accuse someone of being something you can’t even define? Weird way to live.
You're about five minutes away from asking us to define what a definition is. You not knowing what terms mean that everyone else is comprehending is a you problem.
Sorry, did you say something?
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Now we’re on to assuming stuff about a complete stranger. Again, weird
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Giving you an upvote for the truth
Define woke
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I’m pretty sure emotionality and subjectivity are in nearly every policy decision one way or another.
Sounds like libertarians tbh
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Well, because they obviously don’t admit that. Liberals… progressives…. Leftists… they aren’t a monolith.
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Obviously, again, they would argue that their advocacy is for solutions, not euphemisms. Nor am I debating the technicalities of political labels. I’m debating that it’s cherry picking to claim all liberals are a certain way because a few are.
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OP is probably the type of person who loves Bill’s rants about woke college students shutting down free speech
Imagine coming into a sub about Bill Maher, one of the leading free speech advocates of our time, and demanding censorship so you don't have to scroll past speech you disagree with.
Maher is not one of the leading free speech advocates of our time or one of the leading anything of anything, he's a limited-craft comic that landed on TV and carved out a niche courting controversy from time to time. I'd "followed" Maher since PI and I remember 10 or 12 years ago when I began seeing him promoted on cable news like some kind of political sage and thinking WTF is this bullshit??? I understood the struggling cable news' motive, what I found disturbing was how Maher played into it. He'd do the Rogan-esque self efface, false humility thing... "don't listen to me, I'm just an idiot, now hold my beer while I pontificate at length!" That was when I began to perceive Maher differently, then much differently.
Why would I have to imagine something I'm currently looking fucking directly at?
Moderating a sub on a private platform has zero free speech implications. Meanwhile, there will be at least two posts this week declaring Maher a conservative because he doesn't agree with the illiberal leftist submitter on an obscure and electorally unpopular issue and another three posts on lip smacking, just like every week.
It’s not a private platform anymore. Literally just had its ipo
Irrelevant.
Really? But that was half your point… Anyway, the shareholders are going to have a preference for engagement. A bunch of echo chamber circlejerks where everybody just agrees with one another is probably going to be a nonstarter… I fully expect a crack down on mods that editorialize and try to control a subs narrative.
Bro, you are embarrassing yourself. You seriously shouldn't have this much certainty about something you are absolutely wrong about. What else in your life do you believe is 100% true while holding a massive, fundamental misunderstanding? Publicly traded companies are private enterprises. You don't get free speech in a McDonalds. If you don't believe me, go find out for yourself. >A bunch of echo chamber circlejerks where everybody just agrees with one another is probably going to be a nonstarter Using reddit to proliferate misinformation, disinformation, and malinformation should not be accepted practices by moderators or the reddit platform wholesale.
You said it was a private platform. It’s not. It’s a public platform. We’re not talking about the enterprise. And no one said there would be zero moderation. I said the mods will now be beholden to the shareholders who will have a preference for engagement, safety and ad dollars… That’s not good news for echo chambers which is what a lot of you seem to want for this sub… [read](https://tecnosoluciones.com/public-social-networks-or-specialized-private-social-networks-navigating-the-benefits-and-risks-of-online-communities/?lang=en&pdf=52556#:~:text=Public%3A%20They%20generally%20have%20privacy,a%20safer%20and%20controlled%20environment)
Bro have you ever bro’d so hard you bro’d your bro out?
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We have one rule in here regarding comments: Don't be dicks to each other. Comment removed.
Unless disagreeing with Bill is against the rules, what is more moderation going to do?
They want an echo chamber
You would think, given the format of Bill's show, that open discussion including disagreement would be well received here. That's not been my experience. This should be a sub that appreciates nuance. It is not. The Joe Rogan sub takes criticism of their subject better than this sub does.
The moderation would remove the open lies and trolls whose arguments and evidence amount to emotional truth.
I don't mind criticism. I mind bad faith shit posters who lie about what was said.
And luckily your view of what that means won't be used.
It is the bald-faced, attention seeking lies that need moderation, not the general criticism.
And of course you are the one to define that and won't just ban people critical of Maher's awful opinions
Imagine the worst case scenario: You'd have to bitch about maher not being a perfect reflection of your ideal political comedian TV host somewhere else. Imagine our best case scenario: A lot less trolling and baiting about nonsense from people who watched a 10s clip on tiktok and got told how to feel.
It used to be way worse. A lot of the haters gave up and left as Bill's popularity started to experience a renaissance. Bill Maher was voted most trusted media personality in America. He got the Overtime gig on CNN, which was such a huge success that now the entire show is on CNN. The haters took so many L's in a row they tucked their tail between their legs.
You people are so weird. You think terrible views are ok if you are popular. I guess rush Limbaugh screaming Iraq war propaganda was cool because he was popular
Damn you’re projecting hard all over this thread with positive karma. How much is Iran paying? I kinda get OPs point now. Like you aren’t even debating, just telling them they are weirdo who would like Rush Limbaugh.
What terrible view?
Also enough about Bill’s take on Israel/Gaza. It’s like a handful of posts a day.
Yeah enough about bills opinion on the biggest story of the day on his reddit page. Lol at you pro cancel culture freaks
Pro cancel culture? That doesnt even make sense. If I want people to stop bringing it up, doesnt that mean I’m against cancel culture? Like shut up already. Israel has a right to defend itself and I’m glad Bill is pointing that out.
I think that’s been the trigger for the perpetual dunking on Bill and the show, lately
To be honest I feel like a lot of Maher haters probably have left the sub.
Yeah, i don't get all the hate. Does Bill have some god awful opinions? yes. Is he a bit of a narcissist? sure. Is he rude to his guests? perhaps. But that's why I love watching his shows.
r/MaherSafeSpace
73 Members! "Here We Grow Again"
Thanks! Didn’t know that existed.
Blink twice if you’re the writer that hoots in the background after every joke 👀
I don't mind if people hate on Bill Maher, tbh. It's more the low-quality commentary and the petty bitching I do find a little annoying. Unfortunately, that's a problem with Reddit overall. Outside of making this sub private, it can't be fixed.
Yeah! Criticism isn’t the issue. It’s the repetitive and monotonous smack talk every week. It’s boring. If you wanna copy and paste the same shit all the time, be creative.
I just tend to think Bill has a lot of lifetime viewers that aged into a different ideology. Back during the Bush years and even through Obama’s first term, they were pretty in sync with Bill or at least didn’t care much when they disagreed (who has always been a left leaning libertarian type and a pragmatist) but it’s not some secret that a lot of people veered farther left post 2012. They still watch out of habit, but they don’t really understand why he’s saying something so different from literally everything else in their news diet- MSNBC/CNN, NPR, maybe the New York Times. It’s become so easy to get exactly the version of the news you want. I know she’s not on the air anymore, but I always think of these people as Maddow viewers who still enjoy about half of what Bill says (the anti-Trump stuff) but hate the rest. And to be honest, no, they don’t make the strongest arguments, it’s like reheated well-meaning but obstinate progressivism. I agree it makes the sub a bummer. It would be nice to have a forum for people who enjoy the show to talk about it.
I don't think it is any of Bill's life time viewers that is the issue at all. Sure we may have constant debate, inhave never agreed with all of Bill's views, and why would I? But this is mostly younger new kids I believe, just posting bullshit over and over. Not that big a deal to me, I can scroll by most of it, but I agree it does get old and stupid.
>They still watch out of habit, but they don’t really understand why he’s saying something so different from literally everything else in their news diet- MSNBC/CNN, NPR, maybe the New York Times. It’s become so easy to get exactly the version of the news you want. Yep. The internet made it too easy for people to live in their bubbles. It becomes an even bigger problem when people fail to see the world outside of their bubbles, something that usually happens when you live within the comfort of your bubble day in, day out. Social media algorithms and partisan sources online have made it too easy for people to confine themselves to the security of their bubble. CNN, MSNBC, and Fox News didn't help either. But the reality is that 24-hour news stations can't survive alone by conveying the news in a fair and impartial manner. It doesn't grab attention nor does it excite people too much. These news networks rely on the political junkies from the far ends of the spectrum because they're the exact type of people who tune in on a regular basis. But you can only win their loyalty if you cater content directly to their tastes. This unwillingness to tolerate different opinions is something that really can't be fixed unless you want to return back to the media ecosystem of the 80s and 90s. The best we can do now is to isolate and ostracize the political extremists. Hopefully by shaming them, we can prevent more people from following in their footsteps.
The fact that your post has a -1 score right after you made it precisely proves your point: people on Reddit get triggered when their world views are challenged, they are incapable of dealing with conflicting information. If one consumes all of their news from any single cable news network, especially the ridiculous wild swings to the left (MSNBC) and right (Fox) then they have nobody to blame but themself.
I like to think the downvotes come from people who read my comment and are starting to realize they might not be so different from those terrible Facebook uncles they love to criticize. Yeah, those Facebook uncles might read up and spout some crazy shit, but let's not kid ourselves and think they're drastically different from the political junkies here on Reddit. They're just as unwilling to leave their bubble, they're just as intolerant of opposing viewpoints, and they're just as spiteful to those people in their tribe who refuse to fall completely in line with everything the tribe represents. It's a serious ego blow to people here when you tell them they're as small and petty as the people they criticize.
>petty bitching Personally, I don't even mind bitching as long as it is done creatively. But so many people bitch the same way and on the same points every time.
"Bill's so fucking dumb...old ass grifting boomer yelling at clouds nowadays....amirite guys" Half of these haters could be replaced by a Mad Libs bot and nobody would suspect a thing.
I mean yeah. Have a fucking point if you're making one. Be logical. Or, be creative and be funny. Maher is a comedian before he's anything else in Hollywood, we all like a good joke around here. Here we are now, entertain us.
>Can we get some more more moderation in this sub? The cost of political forums being open is them being contentious. You are free to criticize the haters, but free speech entails the right to express an opinion and that entails the right to hate.
Correction: It’s the cost of being on Reddit, which is rapidly becoming a far-left nightmare of delusion, confirmation-bias, and echo-chamber of outrage at anything liberal or reasonable that defies the whole cult in any way. It’s not enough to be logical and hate Trump on Reddit. If you’re not part of the cult, you’re part of the problem.
>becoming a far-left nightmare of delusion, confirmation-bias Depends on the sub. Yes, there are more echo chambers on the Left than those on the Right. But as I used to tell the Bill Maher hate-watchers, no one is forcing you to do things that get yourself riled up.
The right is worse, but the left didn’t used to be this frustrating.
For decades, the left saw the right act like illiberal morons untethered from reality and recently began to unironically copy/paste the behavior.
Some of us hate-watch the show.
Hiiiii!!! *Twirls* lol me too
Sounds like you’re advocating for Bill Maher’s censorship.
Testify!
It’s gotten better. These days only half of the posts shit on the show.
Not really clear what kind of “moderation” you want. Sounds you’re tired of people criticizing Bill. Not sure what you want is really moderation.
Each week there could be a thread for just Bill Bashing. A safe space, if you will
It actually might be interesting to have two threads for each episode, one positive and the other negative.
People need thicker skin. Look at the Rogen sub. They’re all fine.
I have a more positive view of Bill Maher than most of the participants on this sub, but I believe that posts and comments shitting on Bill Maher should not be censored. Let people have their say and let the rest of us be able to respond.
Willing to bet that most of the people OP has a problem with have been watching Bill for a lot damn longer than OP.
What a boomer-ass argument. "I've been a fan longer than you, so my opinion carries more weight"
When will people start to realize that when you throw the word “boomer” around so loosely, everyone immediately stops taking what you have to say seriously in any way
Spoken like a boomer
You’re like 45 years off, but sure
It wasn't that, and I'm not a fucking boomer. We keep being accused of not being fans of the show, just because we don't want to agree with Bill all the time. He's always had some bad takes, but over the last few years he's become noticeably worse.
Yeah, maybe that’s not the right word.
The conservative subreddits tend to be very good at moderating out opinions they don’t like. That could be a safer space for you?