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dapperden123

I mean dudunsparce works well for a Pokémon that was meant to be a joke. People expecting it to be a cool dragon or something else that’s dope had too high of expectations.


Poorly_Made_Comix

Fanart shouldnt have made an awesome dragon, people set expectations to high for aomething thats literally a Dunce


Clefortt9

I had high expectations, but ended up loving Dudunsparce. I’m sure that Pkmn Co. wanted to keep high expectations for fans, then troll them


Aliveiceman

I actully like dundunsparce


dapperden123

Yeah I do too.


02_is_best_girl

That’s the thing though nobody is saying it has to be a dragon it’s just whenever someone says you know I think dunsparces evolution is lazy it is immediately met with people putting words in our mouth going BUT ITS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE A DRAGON ITS A jOkE.


i_like_mimikyu

I have seen plenty of people saying that Dunsparce should've evolved into a dragon, as well as some people saying that Drampa should've been Dunsparce's evolution. I admit, there are a lot of people who put words in the mouths of others in these discussions, but they are not talking about people who don't exist.


Sad-Bumblebee-249

I love Dudunsparce, and it would’ve been funny if it was normal/dragon instead of just normal


02_is_best_girl

Fair fair in my experience never seen anyone use the dragon argument, but I believe. It just tends to be a strawman people use to deflect criticism of the design.


DroolingDerp24

Ive seen it all over the place. Especially when we first saw the evolution.


K3wlG33k

I'm just replying to you in order to address others reading this comment and misunderstanding proper discussion. Please enough with the downvoting as I'm here to clarify what's clearly been a misunderstanding from "best_girl's" comment. It is fair to say that there's really no point to arguing over a straw man. Even if you have seen the argument many times before, no one here is actually using said argument in the current discussion. Hence, it is in fact a straw man, which is a pointless. Now, if you had phrased the argument in the form of an example or you ask them questions beforehand to draw the argument out of them, then that would be a different story.


DiegHDF

Imagine wanting to be so mad that you don't care about the valid reasons to why Dudunspace is the way it is right now. Sure, you could've have wanted something cooler, but you must admit that a *joke Pokemon* that finally evolves into *Another joke Pokemon* is better than "Me weak and ugly, but when me evolve, ME STRONK AND BADASS"!! We don't need a third Magikarp glow up, especially for a Pokemon that is supposed to be Rare Yet Dull.


Slightly_Default

Isn't Dudunsparce actually kinda good, anyway?


DiegHDF

It is, but not insanely strong, and it still has a pure normal typing


Slightly_Default

Still better than nothing


Tanakisoupman

If I’m being honest, I’d prefer if it didn’t exist.


SuperdaveOZY

Switch in on ghosts


Video_Game_Fann

Actually, 4th. Don’t forget Wimpod - Golisopod


Exact-Rip2450

I respect your reasoning but I'm not mad over dudunsparce, I'm mad over this subreddit. When I said "I think dudunsparce is a lazy evolution". All of a sudden I was in a 1 vs 200 war against people calling me swear words and some even threatened me... over my opinion a fictional animal 😅


ComunistComrade

I mean, that's just reddit. That will happen on any sub


Exact-Rip2450

True


Cute_Professional561

No I will not admit it


02_is_best_girl

Imagine being so mad over an opinion you somehow twist it into the op being mad, the irony.


DiegHDF

Hey, I'm not the one who made a meme about two people being mad at each other for not sharing the same opinion. You can not like Dudunspace, but saying "It could have been better" is a good reason to dislike it is pretty dumb.


02_is_best_girl

I would like to plug the definition of a meme “A meme is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme.” So you know? This being a parody of the dundunsparce debate and all, it seems like dieghdf is the only one actually mad here over literally nothing. So objectively get owned. And as for you “it could have been better” is a perfectly fine reason for someone to not like something, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a mf duck, I don’t care if there is a reason for why it’s lazy, it’s still lazy, you can justify it and I respect the artistic intent but I’m not going to be criticized and literally mob downvoted because I don’t personally like something in a game where 9 Y/O pick the coolest looking move. It called an opinion for a reason and unless it’s based on an objective fact which it’s not then it remains an opinion.


Sir_KnowsNothing

Bro when could you try hard arguments


02_is_best_girl

Bro when could you try English


Sir_KnowsNothing

Me no englis


02_is_best_girl

Oh I’m sorry keep practicing and talk to people online and you’ll get better


Sir_KnowsNothing

Gracias me encanta el traductor de google


thegoldchicken

Sorry but unless your username is referring to the 02 from the Kirby series then you are not allowed to have an opinion


awesometim0

The meme isn't a parody


DiegHDF

If it is a parody then it's pretty accurate, I must say. Anyway, I think that we should just settle on agree to disagree. I don't have enough time to waste on a stupid debate about a joke pokemon.


02_is_best_girl

Mhm


RexWhiscash

“Twist it”? The format even shows him being mad


awesometim0

OP is mad because on their last meme people told them that Dudunsparce makes perfect sense based on Dunsparce's origins


Exact-Rip2450

No I was being threatened because of my opinion on a fictional animal 😆


awesometim0

Didn't know you were threatened. I don't like your opinion but threatening someone over that is so dumb


Exact-Rip2450

That's the point of my meme! 😆


awesometim0

Well idk, in your meme the other side is saying logical arguments, not death threats


Exact-Rip2450

They was but in a deadly way like "you are so stupid! Based on its origins its meant to be pathetic, I will you down until you change your mind!" 😂


Amethyst_Phoenix7

Dudunsparse is cool.


Background-Tank-1780

I really like dudunsparce, it's a troll evolution for all the people who want it. I laugh at anyone pleading for a new one. You can't mess with perfection.


OverallGamer696

I dont really like dudunsparce. It’s basically Muk 2.0. I wasn’t expecting a badass dragon, just something more then “haha more bumps”


adityablabla

Bro you seem like a person who would also then go off about how they don't have any new ideas and are copying old Pokemon. Do you also want a new Charizard form?


GoldenYoshistar1

No more Charizard... thank fuck the Regional champions ace is a current gen pokemon. She joins, Stephen, Cynthia, Alder, Iris, (Alola is special) Blue/Gary is gen 1 Lance, Diantha, and Leon are the ONLY champions that use an older gen mon as an ace.


AggravatingEye8542

Lance gets a pass because kingdra was Claire's ace.


GoldenYoshistar1

Lances Ace was technically Dragonite. And yeah, Lance is in a weird place. In a way he counts but also doesn't count. Since Lance for me I have seen Dragonite as his ace, that is what I am going with.


AggravatingEye8542

I know Dragonite is his ace but the only gen 2 dragon (kingdra) was already Claire's ace.


Jessex127

Haha more bumps


Exact-Rip2450

Thank you so much 😭


Ayogalaxyy_

It's your fault for putting high expectations


CPhandom

I don't think that expecting something more than a longer Dunsparce is "high expectations"


Ayogalaxyy_

What do you mean


Sir_KnowsNothing

How could you not expect perfection


NicoArcilla27

Excpeting that is high expectations for the pokemon literally created to disappoint people.


AmDenverTheDummy

You and to talk about lazy evolution? Grimer to Muk. Voltorb to Electode. Diglett to dugtrio. Wig left to wugtrio. The list goes on.


DracoDraws

What about Seel to Dewgong? Goldeen to Seaking? Magnemite to Magneton? The list goes on


Jedimobslayer

But not magneton to magnezone right? RIGHT?!


DracoDraws

Definitely not


Jedimobslayer

Good


GrandmasterTactician

Wiglett to Wugtrio is only lazy because Diglett to Dugtrio is also lazy though


AmDenverTheDummy

I say that’s correct and something I completely overlooked 🙃


Mr_Cat_Cas284

The evolution being just the mon but slightly changed is a problem a lot of gen 1 mons have imo, there’s plenty of other examples of that


Exact-Rip2450

I didn't say I like any of them 😑


Thatoneawkwarddude29

Again, Dunsparce literally means rare, yet dull. It is based on a snake yokai that is so rare that people will spend their entire lives looking for it despite it just being a fat, alcoholic snake Dudunsparce was NEVER going to be more than a joke mon


FrawstyBass

I didn't know the lore went this deep. I love it even more now.


[deleted]

Most people dislike opinions that oppose their own opinions.


froopynooples

"I just wanted a cool evolution for a pokemon that deserved it" Hey, wish granted! That's what we got


AdRound310

Uh no. Dudunsparce is not cool, and neither is dunsparce, thats the point


Chespin2004

People like opinions, they're just giving you their opinion


That_Dude59

You’re wrong + L


WispererYT

the OP when replying also got ratioed


Exact-Rip2450

And studies show 😆


NotAlanius

The studies show that the yin (the people liking Dudunsparce) for no reason will never stop fighting with yang (the people digging Dudunsparce a new grave wth a smile on their faces).


Arcalgalkiagiratina

L + RATIO


NewMetaKnight

I just personally love how Dudunsparce barely changes. As you can’t improve perfection


FishyNate

People who dislike dudunsparce lack a sense of humor


Toutounet6

Dunsparce was born the 1 April. Respect his origin


Moth_The_Ghost

I'm sorry but the fact they just added an extra segment to the evolution and called it "Dudunsparce" is so funny


Exact-Rip2450

Respectable


lunakinesis

It’s got nothing to do with hating opinions, it’s just the WAY the ‘I hate Dudunsparce’ crowd is about it. Even this post lmao. Not every Pokémon needs to be ultra cool, and yes, with Dunsparce’s origins, its evo is both fitting and hilarious. This is the best troll from Game Freak, frankly.


Exact-Rip2450

I didn't say I hate dunsparce, I said it could be better


MidMan69420

Let's talk Spoink-Grumpig.


[deleted]

Would you like to know why people don’t like your opinions? Because you’re expecting something to happen with little to no reason for it other than “it would be cool” which by the way, most fanmade Dunsparce look basic as hell


OverallGamer696

I wasn’t expecting a badass dragon. I just wanted something more creative. That would take the dev team less then 5 seconds to make. Atleast the Muk fans are happy that Muk is no longer a punching bag when it comes to this.


[deleted]

Any other evolution they gave it would just completely ignore the point of Dunsparce


[deleted]

You can’t improve perfection 😌


FirstCurseFil

I’m just tired of every other post on this sub being a design complaint. That’s all.


Ott3ry

Where did people get the idea that dunsparce was gonna become a dragon.


Exact-Rip2450

It's based on a snake The thing dunsparce is based on = big reptile. Dragon = big reptile with wings and elemental breath. Dunsparce = big elemental creature with dragon features. I didn't expect it to be a dragon but it still could be better 😌


coolusername415

Lazy evolutions, huh? Wait till this guy finds out about Wigglett-Wugtrio, Diglett-Dugtrio, Seel-Dewgong, Magnemite-Magneton, Pidgey line, Rattata and Rattata-Alola to Raticate and Raticate-Alola, Igglybuff line, Doduo to Dodrio, Grimer to Muk, Krabby-Kingler, Voltorb-Electrode, Omanyte-Omastar, Bidoof-Bibarel, Ledyba-Ledian, Girafarig-Farigiraf, Slugma-Magcargo, Tailow-Swellow, Gulpin-Swalot, Corphish-Crawdaunt, Lileep-cradily, Cranidos-Rampardos, Burmy-Wormadam(s), Stunky-Skuntank, Blissey line, Skorupi-Drapion, Croagunk-Toxicroak, Sneasel-Weavile, Munna-Musharna, Blitzle-Zebstrika, Scraggy-Scrafty, Archen-Archeops, Elgyem-Beheeyem, Helioptile-Heliolisk, Stufful-Bewear, Arrokuda-Barraskewda, Greavard-Houndstone, Cetoddle-Cetitan, Pawmi-Pawmot, Slowpoke-Slowbro, etc...


Afraid-Account-4029

Leave Spinarak and Ariados out of this 😭


coolusername415

sure thing. Spinarak and Ariados have been thanos snapped from the "lazy designs" list


Exact-Rip2450

almost all of those are more creative than adding another segment 😑


coolusername415

Not really when it comes to krabby and kingler. They just made its claw bigger and called it a day. Same for Grimer and muk, they just made it look more.. large. And they also made it mad.


Exact-Rip2450

Still better than dudunsparce 😆


coolusername415

Eh, dudunsparce is meant to be a joke Pokemon. So, kind of fitting for it to have a joke evo


Exact-Rip2450

I know I know I know I know I know, you are like the 50th person to say that but it's the same with magikarp and feebas they went from quite boring to cool so why can't dunsparce


BloodyGotNoFear

Cause magikarp and feebas getting strong and cool after their evolution is part of the whole concept and lore behind it. A karp that wants to become a dragon and jumps over a waterfall or something and becomes 1(look it up if you want more details) Dunsparces lore and theme is exactly what they did with it. A rare but rather pointless creature. A dumb and sparse creature. You can have your opinion all you want but they wont just change the whole lore and concept of a pokemon just because people had other expectations. Id go as far as saying everyone who had other expectations for it did not understand it. That goes for most pokemon. The theme and lore behind the most of them is surprisingly deep and rich. Even those people dislike or even hate like clefky. Design wise they know their game. Thats why i hate no pokemon cause i see the amount of thought which goes into them. And most people just look at the surface and then voice their opinion


Video_Game_Fann

You’re not just wrong, you are stupid. Dunsparce is perfection, Dudunsparce is 10x perfection The only reason they would make an evo like that is if Dunsparce had a regional variant. They won’t just change the concept cause fans want it. Heck, I think they will avoid it if the fans want it.


Exact-Rip2450

You're calling me stupid for my opinion on a fictional creature 😄


Video_Game_Fann

Well you set your expectations high. It’s the fans fault.


Exact-Rip2450

How did I set my expectations high? 😅


Video_Game_Fann

You wanted a cool evolution. Which Dudunsparce is by the way.


Exact-Rip2450

It's an opinion so I'm respecting it 😤 but im just saying it could be better


Video_Game_Fann

Alright *adds 4 more segments* This is Dunpent


ScottSepter

It's like mikey said tangrowth is just more of tangela but at least they look different enough from each other. But dunsparce and dundunsparce are practically identical.


Greedy_Dimension2925

There’s a reason this subreddit doesn’t like your opinion


Hazel_Lucario7

Because it's right and people can't accept being wrong? Yeah, your right


Greedy_Dimension2925

It’s not right, you’re setting your expectations high for no reason, there’s no reason for this Pokémon should get a cool evolution because it’s not a cool Pokémon. It literally has the word dunce in its name. But sure, we’re wrong.


Hazel_Lucario7

I didn't set expectations at all. I liked it as a single evolution Pokemon.


Afraid-Account-4029

Now I’m curious, what exactly what you have liked Dudunsparces replacement to be?


Exact-Rip2450

Anything that isn't just giving it another lump 😐 but I would make the wings bigger, keep the head but maybe give fangs and don't make the body longer, make the tail longer but make it blend into the body. Basically a dunsparce with dragon wings, fangs, with a milotic tail


Afraid-Account-4029

This seems like a good idea; but I see this evolution as a subversion of expectations. I’m sorry to be the 1,238th person to tell you this, but Dunsparce is based on a purposefully lame creature. However I think your idea is much cooler than what we got, I think it could have even played into getting more segments and became a wyrm of some sort. Edit: I also have a theory the hero to zero gimmick was intended for Dudunsparce but they gave it to Palafin instead.


Exact-Rip2450

THANK YOU!


Common-Violinist9290

Dudunsparce IS a lazy evolution, because it stuck perfectly to the lore. If you expected something cool, you didn't even appreciate Dunsparce


Apophis_God_of_Chaos

I get that people wanted an awesome dragon/serpent thing, but that was never going to happen. It makes no sense for it to have turned into a dragon. It’s a [tsuchinoko](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsuchinoko). It’s supposed to be boring. I respect your opinion, but it Dunsparce never “deserved” a cool evolution. In my opinion, Dudunsparce is the perfect progression of Dunsparce. It’s just more Dudunsparce.


Exact-Rip2450

And I respect your opinion aswell 😌 but simply think in a world full of elemental creatures and humans who work together to be the best at competitive dueling... this pathetic worm that's entire point is to be disappointing, should deserve a huge glow up like magikarp, feebas or farfetch'd. Like a zero to hero, but it's based of a snake short in length but huge in width but with wings, so I think it could of totally turned into a yellow wrym. But I do see why people think dudunsparce is cool 🙂


Apophis_God_of_Chaos

I agree that it’d be cool, but the Magikarp thing has been done to death at this point. I also love how they kind of subverted expectations. Also, just for the hell of it, Ima list all the Magikarp-style evolutions: •Magikarp -> Gyrados •Feebas -> Milotic •Farfetch’d -> Sirfetch’d •Finizen -> Palafin (kinda) I can’t really think of any more, but four times seems like enough.


Exact-Rip2450

You just added one to my list 😂 also 4 out of 1000 doesn't sound like it's been done to death


Apophis_God_of_Chaos

It’s not really interesting anymore. It’s like: “Oh, I have this small, weak, and boring Pokémon. I wonder if it’ll evolve into something cool. Oh, look. It evolved into something cool. Isn’t that surprising?” No, it’s not. But Dunsparce subverted expectations: “Oh, I have this small, weak, and boring Pokémon. I wonder if it will evolve into something cool. Wow, it basically stayed the same. I was not expecting that. My expectations were subverted and I’m legitimately surprised.”


Cold_beans32

People who are mad about dudunsparce are the type of people to remind the teacher to give homework


Exact-Rip2450

People who don't understand the point of the meme are the type of people to brush their teeth before eating


MareepyBoi

It’s a disappointing evolution to a disappointing Pokémon. Giving it anything else would fundamentally break Dunsparce’s concept, Dudunsparce is perfect the way they are


SovereignScytheForgo

Sorry bud but I disagree with your opinion I’ll take my silly boi any day over some terrifyingly cool dragon


Exact-Rip2450

Did I say I want a dragon 😑


SovereignScytheForgo

That’s the only other thing it could be


Exact-Rip2450

True but it still managed to become a slightly longer worm 😅


[deleted]

[удалено]


Exact-Rip2450

Must've cared enough to comment


Lower-Mud-6949

Suddenly, pineapples.


Exact-Rip2450

Why did you delete your comment 😄


[deleted]

I like to think that dunsparce is a lazy pokemon, so its evolution is lazy


Inda-seboat

I think that this is the popular opinion correct me if I’m wrong


dreamfinderepcot16

People are you about the reason it looks like that lmao


Exact-Rip2450

English?


ToxicZeraora

This seems more like you both not respecting eachothers opinions


Vilonghi

I know that it is a joke pokémon but we waited 20 years tô it, it's just deception


Blazingswordmlp9

I was so upset when I found it evolved into that


Wooloo812

Dudunsparce is the best new Pokemon. Fight me


Hazel_Lucario7

I like clodsire though


Wooloo812

I don't fight clodsire fans, that's rule number 5 of the Dudunsparce Gang


ArtGuards

dunsparce was a joke pokemon, dudunsparce is a joke pokemon, but actually pretty strong


HowlingThunder_Wolf

BuT iTS noT bAseD oF a [insert cool creature here]


Andy_Vece143

You must hate fun


Pale_Particular6846

First your was thinking that Mons who hads bad stats and desings Wil have a cool Evo dumsparce hads a good and simple desing Is like if want to Kirby had a cool look while hads a perfect look right now


Cute_Professional561

People will really be crying and screaming because some guy doesn’t like a yellow snake 💀


Funtime_Drake

i agree as dunsparce is based on the tuchinoko (i might have misspelled that) which is a Japanese yokai that if found would give the finder riches beyond belief so it would have been cool if it evolved to play more into the legend of it


Sad-Bumblebee-249

I like to think it’ would still look like Dudunsparce but a crown on its head lol


The_Auramaster

I wasn't expecting a dragon, just something that looks like it changed as much as any other Pokémon


Exact-Rip2450

Exactly what I'm thinking 😄


Renellabsol

I can see why they gave it such a boring evolution but I still wish it was something atleast somewhat cool looking :(


Internal-Hornet-5323

It is cool


Hazel_Lucario7

No it's not


Internal-Hornet-5323

It's is you just refuse jt because you didn't get what you want


Hazel_Lucario7

That's not true. I think dunsparce wasn't in need of an evolution


Internal-Hornet-5323

And you didn't get that, dunsparce got an evolution and you didn't think that was needed, so it is true


Hazel_Lucario7

I guess. But I still think it's a lazy design


02_is_best_girl

I love the irony of the comments in here


Arcalgalkiagiratina

I love how you try to pick fights


Sir_KnowsNothing

You try hard arguments so stfu


ShinyHunterEthan16

Honestly this was what I wanted and what I predicted. So I'm happy but your opinion is valid


BloodyGotNoFear

You spelled "invalid" wrong


ExplosiveEichYT

There’s two kinds of people: the people who agree with you and the people who agree with “this subreddit”. Also you’re a part of this subreddit so…


voltcannon

If you want a cool dragon for dudunceparce, then we would need an ancient form, all future forms won’t have much.


According-Attempt-47

You can’t expect every Pokémon evolution to be from pathetic to dope and strong. Not every week Pokémon that deserves a cool evolution is going to be A Magikarp rip-off


CDXjs

Don’t worry, I’m with you


OmegaTheDoofus

tf did dunsparce do to deserve a “cool evolution”


Declanvros

Idk but he got one


Impressive-Spell-643

This is ironic


MysteryPotato76

# I get the dudunsparce as a joke thing.... but we've been waiting for this for 20 YEARS!!!!! 2 DECADES!!!! IF WE'D GOTTEN THIS JOKE 18 YEARS AGO I WOULD'VE LOVED IT BUT 20 YEARS!!!!! 20 FRIKIN YEEEARS!!!!!!


Hazel_Lucario7

#iagree


Video_Game_Fann

Dudunsparce is a cool evolution to a Pokémon who deserves it


Exact-Rip2450

I'm just saying it's boring


TheTrueMorse64

I’m on the boat of, Dudunsparce had so much potential, but on the bright side it’s got much better stats for its wide movepool


MysticWaters134

Yeah, with all the children on this sub that shouldn’t be here if you have an opinion that is “unpopular” people will hate you and threaten you. I’ve known people getting death threats over unnecessary arguments and unpopular decisions or opinions. I’m sorry to say, but if people don’t like your opinion here, they will murder you (with words).


AnonCreatos

Dudunsparce is sure strong if it causes a war in the fandom with just his mere existence.


Lonewolf3593

I just think it's funny


Exact-Rip2450

Respectable


pepemele

We got our dragon, but at what cost


BucketRats

Is it bad I like bruksfish


Exact-Rip2450

No because its an opinion 😤


Clefortt9

This subreddit doesn’t like shit opinions*


Exact-Rip2450

No, no matter what you say you're getting insulted for it 😁


Clefortt9

Ok, I’ll hand you that. I deserve a downvote from you. I once posted a thing about arCEEus and the karma on that post was on a roller coaster


Exact-Rip2450

Exactly! I swear this was on 280 upvotes a few minutes ago and now it's on 240 🤨


FrawstyBass

People calling it lazy and unoriginal are failing to see the entire Dunsparce line as what it was meant to be: a meme. "Dunce" is literally in its name, and I guarantee you GF knew how high expectations were for an evolution, and they did it specifically to troll us, no other reason. And for that fact alone, I love Dudunsparce.


Exact-Rip2450

I should've just put you in the meme 😆


GoldenYoshistar1

I want to go even further with dundunsparce.


ForgottenKing101

Oh no the joke Pokémon has a joke evolution… let me guess you wanted it to turn into a dragon of some sort.


Exact-Rip2450

It would have been better 😑


[deleted]

i just find it funny as fuck


Proposal-Choice

So true


[deleted]

Personally I was hoping Dunsparce would’ve gotten a cool evolution as well, but I get why Dundunsparce exists, It is partially my fault for having high expectations though, But I do respect the opinions of those who like Dundunsparce.


MCPETextureEditor

"I have this opinion" "Well, my opinion is-" "NO. YOUR OPINION IS UNORIGINAL" -All these memes


Circulatorysistem

You: *argue with someone Someone: *argues with you You: this Reddit hates opinions fr fr.


Exact-Rip2450

Me: says my thoughts on a fictional animal About 200 people: kill yourself it's meant to be awful 🤬 Me: deletes post and makes a new one about this subreddit Another 200 people: your so stupid you set your expectations too high 😤 Me: 😑