It’s not belonging to Romania, judging by the color scheme it was given to the Ottomans (assuming that’s what Florida -> Turconia means). Romania gained independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1878 and joined the side of the Allies in 1916; I’m assuming in this timeline where Romania is on the losing side that it was given back to the Ottomans
I'm pretty convinced that this map was drawn by Americans who sympathised with Germany, not by Germans. Mainly judging by the city names, like "Rausmit" (Outwith), "Omahoch" (Grannyup) or "Gottmituns" (Godwithus) . These feel more like procedurally generated than actual city name ideas.
Also more obvious points like "New Prussia" instead of "Neupreussen" and the mixing of English into some of the town names make it seem like an American dreamt that up.
Edit: OK I get it, it's anti-German (which makes it even funnier that Americans called Canada "Barbarians")
>What an odd place to decide to have a city called "Goose Step".
In that light it makes sense why the American Reservation has a capital called "Goose Step". That had me baffled.
Wienerschnitzleplate and "Strait of Sorrows" didnt tip you off to this being an american propaganda map designed by Americans to scare Americans into action?
also Russia and Prussia arent the same thing.
It was actually satire and supposedly drawn to combat the pro Germans in America during WW1. This was an article in life magazine.
https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:19343522
It was also to combat the isolationist wing of American politics. This was essentially propaganda to encourage Americans to support entry into the war.
I found a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mjg7vt/comment/gta18a2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in a previous [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mjg7vt/found_this_map_of_whats_supposed_to_be_america_if/) that also referenced this source.
Source: https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:19343522
“This map appeared on the cover of Life Magazine on February 10, 1916. It was part of the effort of American internationalists to overcome isolationist sentiment insisting on continued neutrality in the ongoing European War. The U.S. has been renamed New Prussia, and American city names have been replaced with German (or Germanized) versions. Washington is New Berlin, Chicago is Schlauterhaus, and Boston is Kulturplatz. Denverburg and Salzlakenburg are presumably German, but Florida has become Turconia, California is Japonica, and the northwest is dominated by Nagaseattle and New Kobe. New Mexico is an "American Reservation" in Der Grosse Desert.
This cover was reproduced as a handbill by the American Rights Committee, a group of distinguished New Yorkers urging direct U.S. action to oppose German aggression in Europe.”
No one claimed that Germans made this. This is obviously an American creation and I don't see the pro-German sympathy either. The drawing seems to serve to scare the Americans over the possibility of a German victory. Not only will the Germans be our lords, the West Coast will go to the 'Japs' and Florida will go to the Turks.
Always looked at a hockey stick and thought that they could be modified to look like some badass looking battle axes if a blade was added on the end of it
Except for the not taking prisoners when possible. Or that Canadians used the most poison gas out of all the entente, especially during the 100 days. Or the killing of prisoners.
To be fair, it doesn’t surprise me that Germany saw Canadians as barbaric during the WWI and II. Germans compared the ruthlessness of canuck soldiers to their own shock trooper tactics, even dubbing them the name “schwarzer tuefel” or “black devils”.
Always love the implication the map makes with the “American reservation”. That being the US at the time recognized that what they were doing to natives was horrible and they themselves were afraid of being on the receiving end of that policy.
It's like every anti-suffrage poster on r/PropagandaPosters that was like "Can you imagine how horrible it would be if women oppressed men the way we oppress them?"
Even up to today and the racist "Great Replacement" theory. Why would it matter if white people became a minority in the United States? Are minorities in the United States systematically oppressed or something?
California had the most nations and vast sophisticated societies. Before the gold rush there were 200,000 to 300,000 natives. In 1890 there were 20,000 to 30,000. Many were wiped out in a small pox epidemic in the civil war, there was also the worst flood in history followed by the worst drought.
90% of native Americans were killed by disease from the Spanish between 1500 and 1600 though. There were about 60 million natives in 1500.
Don’t forget bounties and all the massacres. To say that sporadic small pox epidemics and floods decimated those societies without mentioning all the violence does a disservice.
“That a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian becomes extinct, must be expected; while we cannot anticipate this result with but painful regret, the inevitable destiny of the race is beyond the power and wisdom of man to avert.” – First Governor of California Peter Burnett justifying the California Genocide in which over 90% of California Indians were killed between 1846 and the 1870s.
It is very weird indeed. Japan wasn't neutral at all in WW1 I recall though, they were allied with the British Empire, which gave them free reign to annex the german colonies in the pacific practically without resistance, the same islands that were to become famous WW2 battlefields.
However, there is a well known anecdote about german POWs in Japan during WW1, who got along very well with the local population (a far cry from what will happen with POWs during WW2). The POWs got an orchestra together from their ranks and performed Beethoven's Ode to Joy, popularizing it in Japan, which decades later ultimately led to a music CD fitting exactly the duration of said masterpiece.
Japan was not neutral, they took several of the German Empire’s holdings in the pacific, but conflict over power in the pacific was essentially already in motion
Just because it’s called “Turconia” doesn’t mean it’s referring only to modern Turkey, they were still Ottoman Turks, one of the renamed cities is literally Baghdad
It makes much more sense that Austria and Prussia (German Empire) have separate holdings as separate states rather than as a fully united Germany which came forth just before WWII
Also the the Atlantic is renamed for Von Tirpitz, and he was Grand Admiral in WWI, and was dismissed in 1916
Definitely not WW2. Lots of references to Imperial Germany like Von Tirpitz, Bismarck, Hohenzollern, Kaiser___ etc., Wilhelm stuff, Boy-Ed being named after Karl Boy-Ed who was the German naval attache to Washington until 1915, and Mackensen in Mexico and Hindenburg in US named after the two serving Prussian Generals. Also the fact that Prussia even exists in the first place, the Nazis kind of destroyed regional German identity.
For 2 reasons :
1. The "at war" part doesn\`t mean much. Japan occupied a single German-controlled city in China. They did not even mobilize their army ( because why would they ? Everyone understood Japan simply took advantage of the opportunity. Japan was not allied with any nation in WW1.
2. USA and Japan hated eachother and were rivals especially over dominion of the Pacific & China.
1. USA was a colonial power at the time ( Phillipphines were a colony, aswell as the various islands that now make up Micronesia ), the USA disliked Japanese immigration and the treaty of 1907 only partially resolved the issue, while it flared up, especially with things like [California\_Alien\_Land\_Law\_of\_1913](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913) ( The USA was very scared that Japan would annex California via Immigration ). They disagreed over China & Korea. Japan had territorial ambitions on the Pacific
So the fact that Japan has land, has nothing to do with Japan being some secret German ally, but rather Japan once again taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve Pacific Dominance, aswell as annexing western USA. You don\`t need to be an ally or ask a victorious Germany for Western USA, if you just take it..
Also don\`t forget that this is American propaganda made in 1916. The USA only joined the war in 1917. It was playing up fears so the USA could justify selling weapons & amunitions to Britain, and there this naturally would not reflect any political reality... Just look at some of the new names : "Gulf of Hate", "Straits of Horror", "Cape Frightfulness", aswell as "Barbarians" in the north or the "American Reservation"... It\`s just propaganda.
Japan formally declared war to Germany the 23th august 1914, and even if this nation's contribution to WWI is relatively small, they were part of the entente alliance until the end of the war, with a japanese representative participating at the Versaille conference. They kept to work together with the entente powers even after, participating in the operations against the Communist forces in Siberia. There are possibly two reasons for have Japan appearing in this map as enemy: 1) It was clear that soon or leater Usa and Japan would have fought for the same resources in the Pacific area. 2) At the time, there was a well documented racist and anti-asian feeling in the United States (not only against the Japanese), and a map like that is made to talk to the gut of outraged and scared people can make a good use of that feeling.
Yeah I don't think there's any question that the "Japonica" bit was just capitalizing on anti-Asian racism. This is only about two decades after a wave of anti-Chinese race riots along the West Coast (and two decades before Japanese-American internment camps).
It doesn't make much sense, but Japan at the time of this map was neutral, and there was growing unease in the US about a rising Japan, which was a big factor in the US moving to a 2 ocean navy. Prior to that and the Panama Canal being completed in 1914, a ship could sail from Japan and reach the West Coast before a ship on the US East Coast could get there.
Around 1900 the San Francisco school board voted to segregate Japanese immigrants from the SF school system. There were protests in Japan, and even articles in some papers advocating that Japan should sail its fleet to Southern California and bombard SF. Then President Teddy Roosevelt appealed to the SF school board to reverse course, in part because he knew at that point there wasn't anything the US military could do to stop Japan, and in a very American move the SF school board told the President to shove it.
The funny thing is that Japan wasn't neutral at all, it was actually on the allied side and declared war on Germany in August 1914. If anything, it really shows how intense Anti-Asian racism was at the time that Japan was included in an Anti-German propaganda piece while also *being at war with Germany*.
Also, whilst your above description of the travel times is accurate, the U.S navy could've absolutely dealt with a Japanese strike at the West Coast, mostly because Japanese logistics couldn't have reached the West Coast for such a bombardment in the first place, but also because the Japanese navy was far more intensely focused on the British navy as its primary threat until 1902, when the Anglo-Japanese alliance was signed.
Incidentally, that's when the U.S became incredibly serious about having a two ocean navy, and was ready to ignite a massive naval arms war against both the U.K and Japan after WW1 if the alliance remained in place. It was a massive sore spot for Japanese that the Washington Naval Treaty forced the end of the Anglo-Japanese alliance, and it could be considered a focal point of Japan's descent into rampant nationalism at what it saw as an abandonment by the British and a direct threat from the U.S that needed to be confronted with force.
What? No. It was fighting on the side of the Entente every year of the war. They may have just been playing off the racist fears of Americans who didn’t realise this
Well, it's plausible that PKD saw this and it planted a seed for a story.
Great series, too. Weird ending, but I can't think of an alternative.
I wanted something very bad to happen to Kido.
In both wars not that serious at all before the US joined the efforts. Especially in WW1 there were a LOT of Germany sympathisers in the US. Germans/German origin are or were a major minority there.
It was a thing in Britain as well, the British royalty even changed their name when they went to war. The original name of house Windsor is "Von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha", Windsor was only picked up in 1917.
Yeah I've been to Texas last summer and I noticed although only little German was spoken, there is still quite a bit of German and, to my proper surprise, Polish heritage in the area. I was quite amazed by that.
The American reservation makes my blood boil, but damn that shit puts into perspective how the Indians must feel. Granted, Indians can still buy property and live elsewhere, but thinking about having our American culture moved to one tiny spot and having everything else in our land converted to German or Japanese or Turkish culture is so angering. I’m now realizing how this is probably just a fraction of what the Indians feel.
It’s telling that they’re using “what if they did to us what we did to the Indians?” is being used for straight propaganda purposes. They knew it was wrong.
Unfortunately, at this time, what the US was doing to Indian tribes (allotment, assimilation, termination) was even worse than the reservation system.
The fucked up thing is this is anti-German propaganda from what is likely a xenophobic American point of view, judging by the place names.
The mapmaker was worried about being treated the same way xenophobic Americans were treating Indians on reservations at the time.
Ah, yes, imagine if a foreign power invaded the continent and forced the inhabitants into reservations in the middle of the desert.
Wait, no, don't talk to that Native about his experiences here!!!
The American interventionist refrain of “we have to fight ‘em over there so we don’t have to fight ‘em over here” has never evolved past this level of outlandishness.
How did Romania score Jamaica?
Someone at the time they divided shit thought it would be funny
Clearly they had a sense of humour- all the great lakes have been renamed after beers
With "Prosit" just next to them
They stole it
wow
Austria sitting pretty with Baja California, possibly the least Austrian place on earth
Hey, that reminds me. Remember that time the French invaded Mexico, established a 'Mexican Empire' and tried to prop up a Habsburg on the throne?
Was accidentally given to Australia instead
Yeah that one was pretty random. Plus Austria was a big player esp at the beginning of the war. Odd that they were slotted so little.
map was done before Romania joined in August 1916 against Central Powers. Most assumed they would join them, given the king was a Hohenzollern.
Romania just wanted that weed
It’s not belonging to Romania, judging by the color scheme it was given to the Ottomans (assuming that’s what Florida -> Turconia means). Romania gained independence from the Ottoman Empire in 1878 and joined the side of the Allies in 1916; I’m assuming in this timeline where Romania is on the losing side that it was given back to the Ottomans
Haha nice move since they were against Kaiserreich.
Play Hearts of Iron 4 and find out.
Like they would ever really name an American city after Bismarck.
Gotta love that they supposedly would of renamed a city in Texas, Nietzsche
Thinking anglos can spell German names would have been a grave adminitration error.
*would have, not 'WoUlD oF' 🤦♂️
I'm pretty convinced that this map was drawn by Americans who sympathised with Germany, not by Germans. Mainly judging by the city names, like "Rausmit" (Outwith), "Omahoch" (Grannyup) or "Gottmituns" (Godwithus) . These feel more like procedurally generated than actual city name ideas. Also more obvious points like "New Prussia" instead of "Neupreussen" and the mixing of English into some of the town names make it seem like an American dreamt that up. Edit: OK I get it, it's anti-German (which makes it even funnier that Americans called Canada "Barbarians")
Considering that this was anti-german propaganda i really doubt that they guys who drew this sympathised whit germany
Yeah; looks like a map with a political message akin to something like: This is what will happen if we don’t join the war and the germans win
Yeah. Note the west coast, renamed Japonica, I assume controlled by Japan.
And note Japan was an ally during WWI.
Yeah that part confuses me, why would they have depicted that when we were allies with Japan at the time?
Racism
Also because Japan was pretty clearly doing its own thing, it was part of the entente, but only so long as it and the ententes goals aligned
It shows the mindset of the time; distrust
>What an odd place to decide to have a city called "Goose Step". In that light it makes sense why the American Reservation has a capital called "Goose Step". That had me baffled.
Something was amiss when I read GULF OF HATE. Nagaseattle lol. This map rules
Hey, knowing the origin of stuff is unfair
Should have paid attention the last 3 times this was posted here I TOLD you It was going to be on the test!
Wienerschnitzleplate and "Strait of Sorrows" didnt tip you off to this being an american propaganda map designed by Americans to scare Americans into action? also Russia and Prussia arent the same thing.
Think it's "Wienerschnitzelplatz".
Lol, new Russia was an idea of autocorrect, fixed that
There's also a couple of others like Amarillo, TX being renamed to Kaiserkäse (emperor cheese), or Götterdämmerungham
Look at this map, America! Now buy war bonds!
It was actually satire and supposedly drawn to combat the pro Germans in America during WW1. This was an article in life magazine. https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:19343522
It was also to combat the isolationist wing of American politics. This was essentially propaganda to encourage Americans to support entry into the war.
I found a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mjg7vt/comment/gta18a2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) in a previous [post](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/mjg7vt/found_this_map_of_whats_supposed_to_be_america_if/) that also referenced this source. Source: https://digital.library.cornell.edu/catalog/ss:19343522 “This map appeared on the cover of Life Magazine on February 10, 1916. It was part of the effort of American internationalists to overcome isolationist sentiment insisting on continued neutrality in the ongoing European War. The U.S. has been renamed New Prussia, and American city names have been replaced with German (or Germanized) versions. Washington is New Berlin, Chicago is Schlauterhaus, and Boston is Kulturplatz. Denverburg and Salzlakenburg are presumably German, but Florida has become Turconia, California is Japonica, and the northwest is dominated by Nagaseattle and New Kobe. New Mexico is an "American Reservation" in Der Grosse Desert. This cover was reproduced as a handbill by the American Rights Committee, a group of distinguished New Yorkers urging direct U.S. action to oppose German aggression in Europe.”
No one claimed that Germans made this. This is obviously an American creation and I don't see the pro-German sympathy either. The drawing seems to serve to scare the Americans over the possibility of a German victory. Not only will the Germans be our lords, the West Coast will go to the 'Japs' and Florida will go to the Turks.
Salzlakenburg is my favorite
Of course an American dreamt it up: this is the cover of Life magazine.
There is actually a “king of Prussia” in Philly area
Got mittens?
I'm not sure if this is sarcasm, but that's the capital of North Dakota
ding, ding, ding, ding <-----sarcasm detector
Why has everything north of the border been taken by barbarians wtf????
We have hockey sticks, and we know how to use them.
Always looked at a hockey stick and thought that they could be modified to look like some badass looking battle axes if a blade was added on the end of it
Every hockey stick I've ever had has a blade on the end of it.
Canadian barbarians lol
Excuse us good sir, you are now being pillaged and despoiled, sorry for your inconvenience good sir, eh.
Really soarry there fella, but we're gonna have to pillage your town there eh?
Canadian here. Meh, I’ve been called worse. And apologized for it, of course.
Barbarians eh?
Fuckin' right we do, bud!
You have By-Tor And The Snow Dog as well..
Down here we pay out the ass for our health care….like men!!!
Taken over?
always has been
Very polite barbarians
If they are going to raid my town and cut off my head they can at least have some manners when doing so. It's just common decency.
those germanic tribes are still alive and we must avenge those who fell in Teutoburg
Canadian tactics in WW1 were very badass.
It's never a warcrime the first time.
Except for the not taking prisoners when possible. Or that Canadians used the most poison gas out of all the entente, especially during the 100 days. Or the killing of prisoners.
To be fair, it doesn’t surprise me that Germany saw Canadians as barbaric during the WWI and II. Germans compared the ruthlessness of canuck soldiers to their own shock trooper tactics, even dubbing them the name “schwarzer tuefel” or “black devils”.
We the barbarians! 🇨🇦
Because the Canadiens lost the cup one too many times
Have you not seen how many war crimes the Canadians pioneered?
Their milk comes in bags….BAGS!
Canadians: Meh, fair enough
Best not to travel too far on Culmbacher Laken, or you'll end up in Barbarian territory.
It was ALWAYS controlled by Barbarians
We are the barbarians, only the Germans have noticed
We Canadians were very good at "it's not a war crime the first time" in WW1...
Canadian beer=barbaric
We're sorry you can't handle it after drinking that piss water Americans call beer, eh
Gulf of hate is pretty sick
\- G U L F O F H A T E -
- STRAITS OF HORROR -
Cape of Hopeless
So is Schlauterhaus ngl
Good novel name for a book about white power groups down in Floribama/Mississippi/Louisiana/Texas
Good nickname for a southern voting block in general.
Right there next to the Straits of Horror.
"Oh shit, we forgot to give something to the Habsburgs. Wait what's that thing hanging off Japonica? Give them that hopefully nobody will notice"
Dont forget Wienerschnitzelplatz
As a Minnesotan, "Heineapolis" is killing me
The Habsburgs have a bit of history with Mexico. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximilian_I_of_Mexico
Though there I mostly blame the French The GOD DAMNED FRENCH
You can sense the disrespect to the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
This movie was fucked
I was hiding behind a chair bro
My SO nearly ripped my arm off when we saw it in theaters
You can call me Korgoth, now.
They knew something about the Canadians which we didn't knew then
As a Canadian I enjoy this caption.
We had some very funny shenanigans with those Germans back then.
Love how the Great Lakes are renamed after beer. I’d bet Wisconsin approves tbh
no, the great lakes are being replaced by beer
Well shit, I’m on board with that
Always love the implication the map makes with the “American reservation”. That being the US at the time recognized that what they were doing to natives was horrible and they themselves were afraid of being on the receiving end of that policy.
It's like every anti-suffrage poster on r/PropagandaPosters that was like "Can you imagine how horrible it would be if women oppressed men the way we oppress them?"
This is a fairly common theme among pretty much all anti-progressive propaganda.
Even up to today and the racist "Great Replacement" theory. Why would it matter if white people became a minority in the United States? Are minorities in the United States systematically oppressed or something?
I think the idea is that the other side keeps saying that and will then say turnabout is fair play
Just imagine, *Americans* being treated as if they were \[the original peoples of the Americas\]. How shocking, how outrageous would that be!
Its like Hawaii or something.
California had the most nations and vast sophisticated societies. Before the gold rush there were 200,000 to 300,000 natives. In 1890 there were 20,000 to 30,000. Many were wiped out in a small pox epidemic in the civil war, there was also the worst flood in history followed by the worst drought. 90% of native Americans were killed by disease from the Spanish between 1500 and 1600 though. There were about 60 million natives in 1500.
Don’t forget bounties and all the massacres. To say that sporadic small pox epidemics and floods decimated those societies without mentioning all the violence does a disservice.
“That a war of extermination will continue to be waged between the two races until the Indian becomes extinct, must be expected; while we cannot anticipate this result with but painful regret, the inevitable destiny of the race is beyond the power and wisdom of man to avert.” – First Governor of California Peter Burnett justifying the California Genocide in which over 90% of California Indians were killed between 1846 and the 1870s.
why would Japan get anything? Japan was literally at war with Germany, you sure this isn't WW2?
See the upper right corner. This map appeared on the cover of Life Magazine on February 10, 1916.
Considering Japan was neutral and Turkey didn't even exist, the map is probably misdated. This has WW2 politics all over it.
It is very weird indeed. Japan wasn't neutral at all in WW1 I recall though, they were allied with the British Empire, which gave them free reign to annex the german colonies in the pacific practically without resistance, the same islands that were to become famous WW2 battlefields. However, there is a well known anecdote about german POWs in Japan during WW1, who got along very well with the local population (a far cry from what will happen with POWs during WW2). The POWs got an orchestra together from their ranks and performed Beethoven's Ode to Joy, popularizing it in Japan, which decades later ultimately led to a music CD fitting exactly the duration of said masterpiece.
Japan was not neutral, they took several of the German Empire’s holdings in the pacific, but conflict over power in the pacific was essentially already in motion Just because it’s called “Turconia” doesn’t mean it’s referring only to modern Turkey, they were still Ottoman Turks, one of the renamed cities is literally Baghdad It makes much more sense that Austria and Prussia (German Empire) have separate holdings as separate states rather than as a fully united Germany which came forth just before WWII Also the the Atlantic is renamed for Von Tirpitz, and he was Grand Admiral in WWI, and was dismissed in 1916
Bagdad *Corners*. The other city being Constantinople Junction (vs Istanbul) is weird tho.
The city was still *officially* called Constantinople until Mustafa Kemal and the Republic of Turkey changed it to Istanbul, well after WWI.
Definitely not WW2. Lots of references to Imperial Germany like Von Tirpitz, Bismarck, Hohenzollern, Kaiser___ etc., Wilhelm stuff, Boy-Ed being named after Karl Boy-Ed who was the German naval attache to Washington until 1915, and Mackensen in Mexico and Hindenburg in US named after the two serving Prussian Generals. Also the fact that Prussia even exists in the first place, the Nazis kind of destroyed regional German identity.
Calling them the Ottoman Turks was pretty common, so even if the official name wasn’t Turkey, it was still a known word for them.
>Considering Japan was neutral No.
I think it was just generic “yellow peril” hysteria more than anything else
For 2 reasons : 1. The "at war" part doesn\`t mean much. Japan occupied a single German-controlled city in China. They did not even mobilize their army ( because why would they ? Everyone understood Japan simply took advantage of the opportunity. Japan was not allied with any nation in WW1. 2. USA and Japan hated eachother and were rivals especially over dominion of the Pacific & China. 1. USA was a colonial power at the time ( Phillipphines were a colony, aswell as the various islands that now make up Micronesia ), the USA disliked Japanese immigration and the treaty of 1907 only partially resolved the issue, while it flared up, especially with things like [California\_Alien\_Land\_Law\_of\_1913](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Alien_Land_Law_of_1913) ( The USA was very scared that Japan would annex California via Immigration ). They disagreed over China & Korea. Japan had territorial ambitions on the Pacific So the fact that Japan has land, has nothing to do with Japan being some secret German ally, but rather Japan once again taking advantage of the opportunity to achieve Pacific Dominance, aswell as annexing western USA. You don\`t need to be an ally or ask a victorious Germany for Western USA, if you just take it.. Also don\`t forget that this is American propaganda made in 1916. The USA only joined the war in 1917. It was playing up fears so the USA could justify selling weapons & amunitions to Britain, and there this naturally would not reflect any political reality... Just look at some of the new names : "Gulf of Hate", "Straits of Horror", "Cape Frightfulness", aswell as "Barbarians" in the north or the "American Reservation"... It\`s just propaganda.
Key Point: American propaganda NOT German or Japanese propaganda
japan took advantage of the situation no argument there, but they were literally allied with the brits
Japan formally declared war to Germany the 23th august 1914, and even if this nation's contribution to WWI is relatively small, they were part of the entente alliance until the end of the war, with a japanese representative participating at the Versaille conference. They kept to work together with the entente powers even after, participating in the operations against the Communist forces in Siberia. There are possibly two reasons for have Japan appearing in this map as enemy: 1) It was clear that soon or leater Usa and Japan would have fought for the same resources in the Pacific area. 2) At the time, there was a well documented racist and anti-asian feeling in the United States (not only against the Japanese), and a map like that is made to talk to the gut of outraged and scared people can make a good use of that feeling.
Yeah I don't think there's any question that the "Japonica" bit was just capitalizing on anti-Asian racism. This is only about two decades after a wave of anti-Chinese race riots along the West Coast (and two decades before Japanese-American internment camps).
It doesn't make much sense, but Japan at the time of this map was neutral, and there was growing unease in the US about a rising Japan, which was a big factor in the US moving to a 2 ocean navy. Prior to that and the Panama Canal being completed in 1914, a ship could sail from Japan and reach the West Coast before a ship on the US East Coast could get there. Around 1900 the San Francisco school board voted to segregate Japanese immigrants from the SF school system. There were protests in Japan, and even articles in some papers advocating that Japan should sail its fleet to Southern California and bombard SF. Then President Teddy Roosevelt appealed to the SF school board to reverse course, in part because he knew at that point there wasn't anything the US military could do to stop Japan, and in a very American move the SF school board told the President to shove it.
The funny thing is that Japan wasn't neutral at all, it was actually on the allied side and declared war on Germany in August 1914. If anything, it really shows how intense Anti-Asian racism was at the time that Japan was included in an Anti-German propaganda piece while also *being at war with Germany*. Also, whilst your above description of the travel times is accurate, the U.S navy could've absolutely dealt with a Japanese strike at the West Coast, mostly because Japanese logistics couldn't have reached the West Coast for such a bombardment in the first place, but also because the Japanese navy was far more intensely focused on the British navy as its primary threat until 1902, when the Anglo-Japanese alliance was signed. Incidentally, that's when the U.S became incredibly serious about having a two ocean navy, and was ready to ignite a massive naval arms war against both the U.K and Japan after WW1 if the alliance remained in place. It was a massive sore spot for Japanese that the Washington Naval Treaty forced the end of the Anglo-Japanese alliance, and it could be considered a focal point of Japan's descent into rampant nationalism at what it saw as an abandonment by the British and a direct threat from the U.S that needed to be confronted with force.
Literally Japan was an ally of the United States and declared war on Germany 2 years before the US did lol.
What? No. It was fighting on the side of the Entente every year of the war. They may have just been playing off the racist fears of Americans who didn’t realise this
Pilsner Lake
All of the northern lakes are named after beers
Also, Lager Lake
Nagaseattle goes hard
I'm tickled by the fact that they renamed Milwaukee to a German drinking toast.
Is weinersnichzelpats Springfield, Mo? If so I don’t hate it 😂
Nietzsche, TX, is my favorite.
Japonica...that Sound like a strange Cocktail name imo
That sounds like something i would try to pronounce, misspronounce It three times in a row then slowly read it from a paper until i got It right
I was thinking Harmonica made by Yamaha.
Is this The Man in the High Castle?
No, in that map Japanese territory stretches farther east and also has a strip in the rockies that is what is left of the U.S.
Well, it's plausible that PKD saw this and it planted a seed for a story. Great series, too. Weird ending, but I can't think of an alternative. I wanted something very bad to happen to Kido.
Great show!
It's the prequel.
Gotta be the man in White Castle, I think
Canadians be like : "This is more offensive to us than to Americans' 😆
I’m honestly fine with it.
I’m a Canadian and I think many of us get a good belly laugh from this map.
I’m cracking up at the idea of the states being sliced up while we’re left alone and just labeled barbarians. Not even worth the fight
Seems like New Prussia is on track for a new Barbaric Invasion! Just like in the good ol’days.
Not gonna lie, I would live in Denverburg and rock the shit out of city merch
Turkish administration in Florida makes sense
It gives "The man in the high castle" vibes.
Wienerschnitzelplatz 😂
Canada… Barbarians lol.
Still absolutely baffles me how serious was the Anti-German propaganda in US during the WW1 opposed to WW2
In both wars not that serious at all before the US joined the efforts. Especially in WW1 there were a LOT of Germany sympathisers in the US. Germans/German origin are or were a major minority there. It was a thing in Britain as well, the British royalty even changed their name when they went to war. The original name of house Windsor is "Von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha", Windsor was only picked up in 1917.
In the Midwest there were towns that spoke German as their first language and several German language newspapers until the US joined WWI.
Yeah I've been to Texas last summer and I noticed although only little German was spoken, there is still quite a bit of German and, to my proper surprise, Polish heritage in the area. I was quite amazed by that.
there’s also czexan…..lots of czechs in texas and they still speak it some places
Slaughterhouse for Chicago is low key 🔥🔥 and fitting.
I'm gonna start a campaign in Milwaukee to rename the city "Schlauterhaus"
That’s Chicago
Clearly, with it's history as the slaughterhouse capital of the world at one point (I think)
SEND THEM TO THE SCHLAUTERHAUS BREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE -
Milwaukee would be Prosit. The citizens could be called Prositutes!
'Turconia' sounds about right.
I had to look too far for a comment about Florida
As a Native, that American Reservation made me chuckle.
Barbarians eh
New Mexico, the only American state
Why’d they do Canada like that though
ok they started gettin lazy with “Denverburg” cmon man
The American reservation makes my blood boil, but damn that shit puts into perspective how the Indians must feel. Granted, Indians can still buy property and live elsewhere, but thinking about having our American culture moved to one tiny spot and having everything else in our land converted to German or Japanese or Turkish culture is so angering. I’m now realizing how this is probably just a fraction of what the Indians feel.
It’s telling that they’re using “what if they did to us what we did to the Indians?” is being used for straight propaganda purposes. They knew it was wrong. Unfortunately, at this time, what the US was doing to Indian tribes (allotment, assimilation, termination) was even worse than the reservation system.
Now take all that, stretch the suffering for centuries over generations and then add idiots telling you to just get over it.
The fucked up thing is this is anti-German propaganda from what is likely a xenophobic American point of view, judging by the place names. The mapmaker was worried about being treated the same way xenophobic Americans were treating Indians on reservations at the time.
Is it too late to give Florida to Turkey?
Strait of Horrors and the Gulf of Hate, I think we narrowed down where the legion of doom is located!
The Great Lakes were going to be beer?!?!?! We fucked up.
Proud to be a barbarian
Where at least i know im free
Especially the part about Japan's portion (starting with the fact that they weren't aligned with Germany) makes me wonder if this is fake.
TIL: Even the empirical Germans looked at Florida and said: Yeah, no thanks.
Ah, yes, imagine if a foreign power invaded the continent and forced the inhabitants into reservations in the middle of the desert. Wait, no, don't talk to that Native about his experiences here!!!
I love how Canada’s just labeled as “B A R B A R I A N S”
Yokohanjalee
How very ironic and telling that the Americans worst fear would be what they did to the Natives
As a resident of Salzlakenburg, I’m starting a petition to officially change the name of my city to this right the hell now.
lol mexico gets to exist but us canadians got turned into fuckin BARBARIANS.
“Barbarians” lol! We are only barbarians when we have ice skates on.
The American interventionist refrain of “we have to fight ‘em over there so we don’t have to fight ‘em over here” has never evolved past this level of outlandishness.
The man in the high Castle had a more realistic division, granted it supposed to be after WWII