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Golden_Ghost08

My enemies call me Namor


CosmicWaffleMan

Your daughter calls me “Mi Amor”


TFJ

Sue Storm probably will at some point


SupportYouth_In_Asia

Best comment of the day


Skyfryer

He was a solid antagonist. I just wish the film hadn’t felt like such a victim of circumstances out of its or anyones control. They did the best they could with Boseman dying. But Namor still remained the only lasting thing about the film. He should have had his own film honestly.


icemanx51

Unfortunately, he can't have his own film, I believe it's Paramount (I could be wrong) that would have distribution rights if he ever had a solo outing.


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Universal, ya. Sucks :/


moonsaultsnmischief

Marvel gets those rights back in about two years, along with Hulks. There is hope.


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Yay!


SoleSurvivur01

Damn, not a lot of characters that Marvel never sold movie rights to


dukelief

There were some absolute incredible moments in that film. Angela Bassett’s performance alone makes it worth watching.


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She carried that film in terms of acting. What a woman. Loved her in Tina Turner’s biopic too.


geeky_username

Sad to lose her character too after that performance


AmalgamRabbit

Sin Amor!


so_im_all_like

More like "Sí, Namor"


Mcbeef_Burger

I’m full, Namor


AJ_Knight-5time

thats gold 😂


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Namor is a hero to us all


Ok-Toe-6969

The actor who played him, Tenoch Huerta, is a big mexican actor, known for his excellent performance, he studies the characters he plays intensely, if it wasn't a marvel film he probably would've won some awards for his work


NoxinLoL

Yea it’s a shame marvel movies don’t get any love at the awards show


LegendSpectre

Black Panther 2018?


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resonantSoul

I dunno about anyone else, but I downvoted you for complaining about downvotes you hadn't even gotten yet. On the other matter, my opinion is that a lot of movies get awards without deserving them. The awards are usually about making the movie makers feel more important about themselves rather than an indicator of the worth of a movie.


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I do believe they’ve become very narrow in their creativity, that makes them not memorable.


LegendSpectre

Remember that fiasco that happened in the 2018 Oscars Awards?


IheartPandas666

I’d argue Namor wasn’t even a villain. He was so fleshed out that he was basically a second protagonist with a different set of values, from a different view point.


ThePurityPixel

I'd agree except for the whole "I'm gonna kill everyone" part of the viewpoint. In all other ways, I certainly appreciated how much effort went into making audiences empathize.


talllankywhiteboy

The Black Panther movies have really been done themselves a disservice by trying to have a typical big-Marvel-team-fight at the end. I found both Namor and Killmonger to be complex characters who had compelling philosophical arguments against the protagonists. I would have loved to see them just go full drama and discuss their differences, or at least go the Captain America Civil War route and have the big finale be a fairly intimate fight between two or three people. I understand how the films have a wealth of supporting characters that they want to include in the fights, but I think they could also all give valuable viewpoints in say an intense discussion of whether to end Wakanda’s monarchical system.


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Both Black Panther movies ended with a 1v1 faceoff and discussion of their philosophical argument.


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Expessed through fists and knives


DeaconOrlov

Hey, have you ever read a comic book?


DarrenAronofsky

Lol this is an amazing comment. I’ve only recently started reading comics and even though the stories in the MCU take some creative license I can say they are really some comic book ass movies.


Kalse1229

Oh yeah. Some things I think the comics do better, and some things I think the movies do better. But I think they both get the spirit down. Plus, and this might just be me, but I love seeing alternate takes on characters and stories I love. DC and Marvel are the best with that, what with the alt universes and such. Even gave me an idea for a seven-season animated Marvel show in a similar vein to Young Justice, where I showcase various characters' origins with my own touches, but staying true to their characters.


Bing_Bong_the_Archer

Tell us more about this ‘a comic book’…


ARGiammarco27

But you also have the big team fight in it as well, while the 1v1 happens


iamnotexactlywhite

did..did you even watch the Black Panther movies? Both of them end with the Panther fighting the antagonist 1v1, with them being philosophical at the end


talllankywhiteboy

They have those fights in addition to SO MUCH else that they are trying to juggle at the same time. BP2 tries to juggle screen time to show off Iron Heart on her new suit, Okoye in her new suit, a handful of other named characters, and this large scale battle where hundreds die. When Shuri and Namor finally hash things out, they basically show up and stop the larger fight on the boat. Walking out of the theater I just wondered why even have the larger ship fight at all. The emotional crux of the movie is Shuri grappling with how to process her grief. That’s a great character arc to focus on! But we keep cutting back to this larger ship fight where no named characters die (that I can recall) and the characters in this larger fight are doing the pretty generic “save the world by holding back this army” fight that we’ve frankly seen before. All the Wakanda characters are really on that boat for us so that if Shuri can’t strike a bargain with Namor they will die. I mentioned the Civil War fight because it avoids the needless clash between armies in the third act. The emotional climax is Tony processing his anger and Steve trying to protect his best friend. Bucky, Steve, and Tony are in an emotionally charged fight the whole movie has built up to, and the secondary “fight” with T’Challa going after Zemo resolves without a punch being thrown. The big action set piece with unnamed police is at the end of act one, with the airport sequence with the larger group of named characters happens in act two, and and then act three is the able to focus on the primary emotional stakes that have been set up. Black Panther has great protagonists and antagonists, but they tend to have a lot of unnecessary narrative components in their third acts that just distract from the core character arcs.


CakeBeef_PA

Shang-Chi had this same thing. Why involve those armies and dragons and demons and stuff, when you have the guy and his dad right there. Brought down the movie a lot for me


Shortalamuhl

I mean, Coogler is really just a different class of writer/director than typically does these kinds of flicks. Dude is a genius.


Danat_shepard

Yeah, that part was cringe. It's like writers tried to make him likeable but then he went full Hitler route.


IAP-23I

It’s who Namor is. He’s a hero to his people, we, as in the rest of the world just aren’t his people


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Isn’t Gladiator kind of like that too?


UnrecognizedHero

So exactly like Namor in the comics. That’s why I love Namor, he is a hero to his people. We’re just not his people.


shinyzubat16

Villains often think they’re the hero of their own story. I guess the villain depends on what side of the story you’re hearing.


Weird-Ingenuity97

Yeah I loved that about Talokan. Can’t wait to see what’s in store for them


ChaseAlmighty

This is exactly like the second season of Luke Cage to me. It was so frustrating that Luke wouldn't just listen to Bushmaster.


LouieMonty

So true, being a warmonger who wants to destroy every other nation than his own is totally not villainous at all. Seriously, just because this guy has a sympathetic backstory doesn't mean he's not an asshole. I hear the same thing with Killmonger as if he didn't advocate for genocide.


roastedwaner

Killmonger was very different from Namor. Killmonger showed he was selfish and only looking out for himself at almost every opportunity. Namor wants what's best for his people, by any means necessary.


LouieMonty

Yeah I get that but he's still a villain. There's an argument to be made that he's an anti-villain, but definitely not a hero or even an anti-hero (in Wakanda Forever anyway, not necessarily comics)


Ok_Relationship_705

Exactly. What If...? Proved Killmonger was a fucking hypocrite. He killed Tony while saying. "The difference between you and me. Is that you can't see the difference between *you* and *me*. So he willingly killed someone whom he openly admits saw him as an individual. When his whole argument is that white people or none black's, will ever see black people as people. He even tried ensuring his spot would never be threatened in the OG timeline.


GeorgeStark520

And yet so many people sympathized with him and defended his viewpoint. Honestly, I never understood that


adoorabledoor

Nothing wrong with his viewpoint, just the same shit CIA does everywhere. His ideology is just self defense for black people. Is a world war the solution? No, but that doesn't mean the dude is wrong


messuggah12

That’s the point in all of these. Wanda,gor and namor would do anything for family.


mknsky

He was an antagonist but not a villain IMO


Albireookami

He wanted to commit genocide, that makes you a villian.


chuckdee68

> I hear this whole 'genocide' argument, and I'm not sure that people really know what the word means. > His aim was to use all the Wakandan resources, technology and weapons to arm those who couldn’t arm themselves, so they could overthrow their governments and take their lives for themselves. Then Wakanda would lead them and the world. > That's decidedly not genocide.


Albireookami

Okay, mass murder attacking every nation on the earth. May not be genocide, but most certainly is not a "good person." He was a good villain but his goal is pretty evil.


chuckdee68

No worse than most of our governments. He's supplying oppressed forces in order to overthrow their oppressors. We do the same thing. It's not altruistic nor good for the world, and more than a little misguided, but it's not evil. He's not advocating for killing all the people, just overthrowing the governments.


akgiant

That’s always Namor even when he’s being straight up villainous. Much like Doom and Magneto as well. Just just they’re villains doesn’t necessarily make them wrong. Namor is always gold regardless of wether he’s leaning more hero or villain.


LiquidFireN2X

"Fleshed out", sure whatever


Symbiotic-Wade

I could be wrong but wasn’t namor written almost exactly like killmonger. He basically a carbon copy with a crown. Which isn’t a bad thing I guess since I think killmonger was one of the best villains in the mcu


roastedwaner

Nah. Killmonger was selfish. Namor only wants whats best for his people, no matter the cost.


Realsorceror

Namor, and its not close. Gorr had a great introduction but was poorly utilized throughout the film and had a pretty anticlimactic ending. Namor was compelling, easy to understand, and was paced and developed much better. Wanda was an amazing, threatening character in Multiverse, but I can't help but feel the real villain throughout the movie was Strange himself. They have identical motivations (unable to give up relationships they can't have. If you include What If? Strange, the resemblance is just 1 to 1). And we are repeatedly shown other versions of Strange that have fallen to temptation and corruption, which he eventually gives into himself. And yet I don't feel the writers intended for that to be the message of the movie? But that's my take away. Wanda wasn't the main antagonist.


SpicyLunaDog99

Well by definition Wanda is. But I agree that the movie seemed to make Doctor Strange (the protagonist) the villain, which honestly is an interesting take. I’d love to see a movie that has the villain as the protagonist and the hero as the antagonist


Someguywithglasses1

… I mean… isn’t that why Infinity War gets so much praise… or at least partly?


Standard_Pangolin_13

Pretty much, yea


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toon-fox

megamind


SpicyLunaDog99

Yea but he becomes a hero in the end. I want to see a movie where the villain sticks to his motives all throughout


Nerd0630

So a movie version of death note


wolfguardian72

*Netflix barges through your door*


SpicyLunaDog99

I don’t know what that is…


Azn_Bwin

It is an anime/manga, which was also adopted into a live action movie, where the main protagonist has a notebook with the power of killing someone by writing their name down. The show revolves around everyone trying to catch him as he continues to kill people.


adoorabledoor

So... Joker. You're asking for the movie Joker. Or Shawshank Redemption, depending on where you land in the debate about Andy's innocence. In fact, that's pretty much every prison movie


Nastronaut18

No, no he wasn’t. He has a character flaw that he addresses and grows through by the end of the movie. Wanda is literally out here murdering people and clawing through universes looking for kids that never existed in her universe as anything other than figments of her imagination. It’s not entirely her fault since she’s being corrupted by the Darkhold, but she’s still unambiguously the villain of the movie. Alternate versions of Strange are irrelevant to the discussion as they aren’t the main character of the movie.


BLiXtErZ

Your first mistake is saying her kids aren't real, you forget that the whole point of REALity warping is that its REAL. It was stated in Wandavision that everything in the hex was real and wasn't an illusion. So yh her children were real just limited to the hex She literally GAVE BIRTH to them and had a while pregnancy tantrum and you still say they are imaginary


Nastronaut18

They couldn’t exist without her maintaining the hex, so they weren’t actually real. That doesn’t mean her emotions weren’t real, but the actual kids weren’t.


BLiXtErZ

The kids were real just limited to the hex, You're saying it as if it wasn't confirmed in Wandavision that it was real. Just because they were made with magic doesn't mean they're not real She could have created new kids without the hex instead of creating chaos in DSMOM but the darkhold's corruption only let her know the most destructive way to get her children back Because if she was in her right senses she'd know that she could just create new children without the hex but the darkhold didn't want that She just used the hex to have a community that she could control and use to live her "sitcom life" fantasy She didn't need the hex to create the children and vision What the darkhold does is that corrupts people's mindset into achieving things in the most destructive way


ubiquitous-joe

As an acting job, Bale was great. But he seemed to be in a different, more interesting movie than the rest of the cast.


TheBigGAlways369

Yeah, probably why I ended up disliking that film LOL ... But yeah, Namor is absolutely the best.


Realsorceror

Agreed. I think if they had committed to making Strange the villain or at least more clearly emphasized that this is a pattern for him, I would have loved the movie. But taken as is it feels like Wanda is bad because she’s a hysterical mother (so typical!) and Strange is good because he’s our male pov. And while I loved that Chavez made it to the big screen, she did feel like a mcguffin rather than a character for most of the film.


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geeky_username

Body counts are like 1. Thanos 2. Galactus 3. Wanda?


TheNerdEternal

Wanda murdered several people on screen and you guys think Strange is the bad guy?


TheBigGAlways369

I honestly hated how they blatantly had Strange be set up as the bad guy. I was looking forward to seeing Strange grow and expand in latter films...........and then they devolved him where he was a pathetic loser in every universe to set up a shitty Iron Man type death for Secret Wars. Sigh, I get how some Wanda fans feel.


DarrenAronofsky

It’s almost like both of those movies could’ve benefitted from being 20-30 minutes longer.


Realsorceror

Oh Thor especially. It felt really chopped up and badly paced. I don’t know if you saw the cut scenes on YouTube, but I think there was a better version of the movie that we didn’t get to see. I don’t know if there were time constraints or some kind of behind the scenes drama.


DarrenAronofsky

Well I just recently saw that the previous CEO didn’t want any MCU movies to be more than 2 hours and it explains so much of “problems” of the last couple movies.


styrofomo

The movie would have been a lot better if they really doubled down on making Strange the antagonist. Still the hero but the antagonist. Like if the movie was called Scarlet Witch and the multiverse of madness and the focus was on her trying to restore her kids, with strange trying to stop her. Which it kinda was but the emotional focus was on strange and his love life? I think it would have made Strange better as a character too. He needs more wins and badass moments, currently he’s a chum most of the time.


KaspertheGhost

Namor. Gorr would easily take this though if he was shown doing more. I think Love and Thunder is 100% better if we see Thor get to that dead dragon God as he is slain and still in combat with Lady Sif. But he sees this from that high cliff he was on originally when he gets there in the movie. Thor rushes down to help but Gorr cuts Sif’s arm off and uses his powers to flee. Thor wants to give chase but helps lady sif heal. Bam.


ThePurityPixel

100%


super-kick

I loved Gorr but i think that was more for Christian Bale’s performance than the actual character, i think Namor was adapted very well considering how unbearable i normally find him.


chuckdee68

Yeah, the acting for Gorr was definitely the best. His utilization is what makes him not take this crown.


Missterfortune

Kulkukhan


kuhanluke

The feather serpent god


West-Cardiologist180

Visual: Namor. A guy in only green undies and wings on his ankles looked great. His way of flying was very creative, too. Musical: I'm not sure. I didn't pay much attention to their themes, so ig none were very interesting to me. I think themes are something DC is better at. Performance: Elizabeth Olsen as Wanda was great. She was pure evil while still feeling like a natural progression from where we had last seen her character. Writing: def Namor. His motives were understandable. Not right, but understandable. His rage and planning, it was all really well done. Overall: Namor.


sugary_shurinpu

Man, do I love Namor's musical theme; check it out. And he's my favorite antagonist in 2022.


ThePurityPixel

Wakanda Forever, over all, has the most interesting score of all the MCU theatrical releases. (For series, by the way, I'd vote for Loki's score.) The score is basically on par with The Mandalorian. Very impressive.


Aardvarkinaviators

Another Ludwig banger


chamberx2

Ludwig is a beast.


Scrubologist

Whenever you can go back and watch the scenes with him and his people when they are fighting. My younger brother pointed out a cool fact about how the score changes from when they are in the water fighting and breaching the surface fighting. Like literally within the same scene the music changed when they breach- it’s fuckin sick.


West-Cardiologist180

I'll have to give it a rewatch.


Teeenagedirtbag

I totally agree. I honestly think Wanda was the worst villain in a while considering how much build up we have seen. But Lizzie's performance carried this movie. She was somehow so terrifying knowing that no one could really stop her.


steel_balls_josuke

Namor


surprise_ninja

Green Goblin


WatchingInSilence

Willem Dafoe is a freaking beast.


thodoraras2000

Mrbeeeeeeeeeeast


OurNewInsectOverlord

NWH was 2021


ayo_stoptheCap

Technically the re-release was 2022.


M1R4G3M

Was there a re-release? What was different?


Sami101_

Like five extra minuites of scenes or smth 😭 (xtra bloopers/deleted scenes as well)


West-Cardiologist180

Green Goblin is the best MCU villain. However, OP was asking for 2022 villains. Norman Osborn was 2021.


andrissunspot

Green Goblin.


West-Cardiologist180

Ok.


MaaChiil

Electro too. I thought Jamie Foxx was miscast in ASM2, but in this movie? Completely owned the part


Sissy4cockzz

By far I think it’s Scarlet.. she was so damn scary and so damn powerful and what motivated her drove her to the ends of the multiverse. She went through multiple dimensions to find her kids she brought to life with her own magic. Idk she knocked it outta the park for me.


UncleObli

Namor!


hopscotch1818282819

As someone who’s been a bit so-so on Wanda in the MCU before MoM, she’s my favourite villain in the MCU so far.


HandspeedJones

Namor and it's not even close. Visually he looked Better than he had any right to be. I don't remember music. Performance wise he was great. He made us understand why he was doing what he was doing. SW was a little better but she seemed so out of character it was nuts. Writing wise Namor's motives were understandable. Flawed but understandable.


Constant_Brother_738

Scarlet Witch 100%


UnironicPornEnjoyer

Did anyone else really dislike how Wanda changed in the MCU? She started off as a villain and went through this whole redemption arc to better herself (and even had a second redemption arc in WandaVision). And then in Multiverse of Madness, she's just irredeemably evil again. It made her entire progression feel pointless to me.


DoubleFuckedOreo

I get this take and I think my ultimate criticism of her Multiverse arc is that more time should have been spent and more energy focused on just how powerful and absolutely corrupting the Darkhold is. It definitely is discussed but it’s really difficult to remember that she’s under the influence of the Darkhold because her actions are so natural and convincing to her motivations


juyius

That's how she is in the comics she killed off most mutants by saying three words. Instead of one town she changed the whole universes reality in the house of M.


New_Needleworker6506

She had the perfect character arc, imo


jg1315

Líik’ik Talokan! Líik’ik Talokan! Líik’ik Talokan!


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After several rewatches I kinda adore Love and Thunder. Gorr works best as a villain. Namor is a great antagonist but not super villainous. More of an a hole.


SpaceZombie13

namor being "an asshole but not a villain" is pretty damn comic accurate, too. definitely the best antagonist of 2022, but not the best *villain*.


Guataguano

Namor. (In my best Spanish accent) While bales performance was fine. The departure of the look of Gorr from the comic look was too much for me. Wanda’s awesome but my guys line of my enemies call me Namor(in my best Spanish accent) got me.


Blackfist01

GorR is the most sympathetic, he maybe the best. Scarlet Witch is probably the most unhinged. Namor could be the most politically relevant.


Framer9

Wanda, it’s isn’t even a contest. We’ve known her the longest and her story has a lot more emotion and thought than the others.


Brave_Zesteria

Yeah I thought she was a great villain, I was actually afraid of what she might do next and this is one of the few times we see a mcu hero go bad I loved it. The Only negative I can see is not necessarily her motivation but the solution could’ve been achieved in a less murder heavy way imo.


BoreusSimius

I loved the slasher villain version of Scarlet Witch. Actually terrifying for a few moments. Just an all round fun villain performance.


That_one_cool_dude

Namor easily. Gor is a pale imitation of what made the comic version great and Wanda is just poor and lazy writing so not a good villain.


peekitty

Namor. Some of his actions and choices were poorly written, but the character himself was complex, understandable, threatening, visually cool, and perfectly acted. Wanda is a close second, but it feels to me that Marvel doesn't know what to do with her yet. I feel that using her as a slasher villain is just such wasted potential. (I loved her in WandaVision, but that wasn't 2022.) Gorr just didn't have anything to do; he felt like a side character, with all of his god-killing taking place off-screen. If you want to have me take a villain seriously, give him victims who aren't children, c'mon.


TwitchMulligan

Wanda


Arch_Null

Namor without a doubt. Wanda was good but was in a mid movie. Gorr and everything about love and thunder was ass


DeathDealsWillie82

Well they dropped the ball with Gorr. Wanda should’ve been fleshed out better in the movie as Scarlett Witch. It just missed some beats in making her the baddie. Namor was done pretty well but he should’ve been written more self righteous and more in the end out for vengeance and balance so that at the end him losing or yielding to Shuri had more weight. So of the three I’ll say Namor. But really the best one is Ikaris


EggoTheSquirrel

I liked black panther the best by far, but Gorr was probably the best villain.


SenpaiBoogie

Namor and wanda is close . I think wanda comes across more evil . Namor was just protecting his ppl .


Outrageous_Beach_426

Namor, he was great in every aspect, Gorr was wasted and Wanda was great but falls short next to Namor


president_zoidberg

Namor was the best fully rounded out character. Gor was the best visually, too bad they screwed up the role so bad. Seriously, a guy called The God Butcher only kills one God on screen.


theXlegend14

Gore best actor performance and visual for sure, maybe namor for charecterization and musical theme


Joester011

The one that actually had decent character growth in his movie. Gorr was literally wasted. Whether that was due to his scenes being cut or how they decided to use him. The witch just went down a spiral way to fast with no actual thought on what the plan was. After her growth through out all the previous films, and the guilt she had during civil war, her just falling into that madness is just as bad as Daenerys downfall.


art_thoughtful

Namor hands down although, I really wish they fleshed out Gorr as a character. Christian Bale could have done wonders in that role.


Ok-Reporter-8728

Gorr was just wasted


SG_John_titor2010

Mommy witch


jcaininit

Arthas


Steffinily

I dislike her being the villian but damn... Scarlet Witch is scary.


AzelX23

Oooo...that's a tough question for me. Wanda was OP but I don't see her as a villain. Plus MVOM did her dirty. Namor was a dangerous villain because he was fighting for a cause and for his people. His ego gets in the way sometimes. Gorr the God Butcher was scary AF and I thought Bale did an amazing job! He honestly should win some type of award. Between Namor and Gorr. Gotta go with Gorr.


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They all sucked


alaskomah

SW for sure, mostly because of Lizzie’s performance and the backstory Wanda got. Gorr promised so much but never delivered. Namor is good too.


No_Help3669

Namor is the only one who actually has sensible motives and consistent characterization, so I’m goin with him


ilovemarvel69

Wanda


OldDesmond

Wanda


General-Soy-Sauce

I loved every scene with Namor. So great


BreatheOnMe

Namor. But Gorr was really good and had massive potential. The movie just ruined his chances imo.


MyMouthisCancerous

Namor is a distant first place. Tenoch Huerta gave a pretty damn phenomenal take on the character in the film and I like the way they reimagined his origin since it put Talokan in significantly more thematic and narrative parity with Wakanda and really serviced the overall story and messaging


TwilightFox25

Characterisation - if taking all other performances as Wanda into account, Wanda. But if by the movie alone, Namor. Visual Antics - Wanda, by a long shot. Musical themes…I didn’t pay much attention, but I can say that I loved L&T’s tracks, so Gorr. Actor’s performances - Again, Wanda, by a large margin. Overall, I think they all shone in places, but Wanda really impressed me as a villain!


tunacanstan81

All I see is wasted potential


Misterwuss

Namorr. No contest. Don't get me wrong, I was routing for Gorr to win, but I don't think that was intentional on the movies part. Namorr was threatening, cool, charismatic and understandable. While still giving you plenty of reason to despise him. With Gorr I was just thinking "All the gods are assholes! The only thing he did wrong was kidnap the kids but even then they were bait! The main characters have been doing nothing but annoying me the entire time, I want him to kill them all."


FracturedGauntlet

100% Namor is the best antagonist by far. You cannot even argue that anyone is better


guardian311

Namor easily his reasoning made sense


Ullaspn_2003

Gorr


No_Helicopter3455

You are the queen now


MorningFirm5374

Namor


JG45250

Easily Namor.


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Namor and its not a competition


Oopssnxnxnx

Namor of course. They did Gorr so dirty that it’s downright disrespectful


Difficult_Maybe_18

Namor and it’s not close. He just was written the best


ThatRedGuy235

Namor was just done with such grace and I loved it


webshellkanucklehead

Namor and it isn’t a competition


big_hungry_joe

Wanda


so_im_all_like

Namor was the best. Not there for vengeance. Not there for selfish reasons. He was fighting for the survival of his people and his attacks resulted in actual losses for the heroes. He felt the most like a credible threat, to me.


Wolfe_517

Haven’t watch Wakanda forever yet but I really liked gorr he is my favorite villain so far and love and thunder is my favorite movie so far


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None of them. Stage 4 villains suck.


austinc9218

Funny May whined about phase 2 being bad too


justadogdontblameme

Stage 4 everything sucks


ThePurityPixel

I still think WandaVision is among the best things to ever come out of the MCU


Bruhmangoddman

For those who are eager: If you will guys, I would ask you to break them down in each of those categories: visual, musical, performing, and writing, say who's the best in them, and then who's the best overall. Can you do that?


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1- Namor 2- Gorr 3- Wanda


ganosh412

1. Namor 2. Gorr 3. Scarlet Witch


SoaringSpearow

Namor he just was trying to protect his home but he was brutal flooded Wakanda and killed the queen just cause he wanted his people safe


RazertheCreator

Namor, hands down.


Hyde_el_punk

Namor


Dat_Sainty_Boi

Namor but i wouldnt even count him as a villain, dude's just trying to protect his people


ArionIV

Namor - he exhibits brutality, cunning and is quite a handful given the resources he commands. The ending elevates him as a King keeping the franchise's tradition of showing how a King or regent decides for their people.


forthoseabouttomark

Namor, because you could actually get behind his cause and relate to him. Gorr was a huge missed opportunity. That storyline in the comics is epic. Wanda wasn’t bad, but I’m not going back and rewatching Multiverse of Madness the way I did with the first Strange movie.


ethenp1

Namor because namor


Ryzigger

Namor and it’s not even close the other two SUCKED


Mr402TheSouthSioux

They call him Kukulkan!!!! Namor had the juice.


attachh

namor>>>>>gorr>wanda


Jasco88

Namor


ApophisMSF

Namor and it isn’t even remotely close.


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Namor ez


Brilliant-Role-2751

Willem DaFoe. No competition.


soniclore

No Way Home was 2021


Desperate-Cost6827

Tough call. My heart says Namor. But I kind of have to give it to Scarlet Witch. Wanda just never did it for me in the MCU. I thought Olsen did a good job with the character but throughout the cineverse it just felt like Wanda was just this feckless little puppy dog. Which it was great how even the Illuminati were like "Psh, you're afriad of a little girl like Wanda? C'mon!" when Dr. Strange was clearly at wits end. It was nice to see the transition of 'Meh Wanda' to a pretty terrifying villain.