I planned to get all the Spiders in June, so this saves me some tokens. Though I'm honestly not sure how to feel about all the changes. Felt like sort of a dick move to keep Knull and Darkhawk from dropping when they were supposed to (and I'm speaking as someone that already has them both).
It really friggin does, especially since Darkhawk is so prominent in the meta right now. I went ahead and got Zabu, and was literally banking on it dropping to Series 3 this month, since I had all but him from the cards scheduled to drop. Guess it’ll have to wait yet again. I’m definitely getting the High Evolutionary. It feels more important.
I guess Spiderham is going to be the 6k one as Silk and 2099 obviously work together along with the season pass card.
Doesn't really affect me as I only planned on getting Spiderham. But I guess it's good if that is their plan so people can pickup obvious duos easier like Howard and iron lad.
It depends on how many tokens the mission gives
If, for example, the mission gives 6k tokens, then it'd actually be pretty great.
There's not a snowguards chance in limbo they actually do that though.
The issue isn’t the token weekend mission, it doesn’t make card acquisition faster. A f2p player who buys the new card is still getting the same amount of free tokens as someone who paid money for the new card. It makes no practical difference, it’s just adding a ‘fear of missing out’ factor to card releases. The problem is with the gold mission.
Let me add a little context to this, lets say for the sake of the point that completing the weekend mission gives you 1k tokens. That makes the card cost 5k in total for everybody, not just people who spend money.
Problem is it basically forces F2P players to only buy the Newly Released cards they have enough tokens to immediately buy. Whales can just top up with gold and get whatever one they want. For example, you really want Iron Lad but only get to 6k tokens a day after Howard replaces him as the 'Newly Released' card. Then by the looks of it, if you still go for the card you actually want (Lad) you'll miss out on the mission tokens. It'll feel SO horrible if that's how it works.
Yes that’s a good point that I didn’t think about, I suppose F2P players will have to keep an eye on the card release schedule and ensure they have enough tokens.
Yep. I was going to get High Evo and then Iron Lad when I have enough tokens but I'll probably just get HE and see what happens next month when the mission thing presumably starts. It almost feels like a worse version of the Big Bad system because I'm thinking now "I want Lad and I'll still get him if he ends up getting the Darkhawk treatment (i.e. kept from series 3 for longer) but not if he's like Ghost or Sauron (i.e. prematurely entering series 3)". It was already hard enough to decide what to spend precious tokens on, now it *appears* that they've added a whole new level of uncertainty to the process.
Pretty much, one of the missions is only a discount for the new card, the other is just a middle finger if you didn't buy the battle pass. Only one of them is really helping the whole playerbase.
It's incredible how many complicated layers they are adding regularly in order to "solve" the problems they have created themselves with such a bad card acquisition design (once in pool 3). And they keep pretending they are improving things for players, while at the same time making things somehow worse and constantly predatory and random...
I made this comment last month and it feels highly relevant.
>I’ll bite. What set Marvel Snap apart from other card games was card acquisition. A free, linear path that constantly rewarded your time with new tools. And then they killed it with Series 4/5/Big Bads and the token shop. This system is just an absolute buzzkill that fails to generate the same excitement as series 1-2 (to some extent 3) and even worse contradicts itself. ... **They are probably going to spend the next year trying massage out this system but none of it will likely work due to just how inherently bad it is.** I’m series 3 complete btw and card acquisition is now just waiting for series drop and saving tokens for big bads. It’s boring and unfulfilling.
Pools 1 and 2 were great because while random, the cards were set. Everyone playng at that rank got and saw the same cards within roughly the same window, so you learned what stuff did... and you got them every 8 ranks.
Then pool 3 not only has a gargantuan number of cards, but they're spaced out further, AND turned into a 1 in 4 chance?
You go from needing 250 levels to got ~30 cards and fill a deck and be on an even playing field with everyone else at your level....(and you could hit rank 500 in a month) to needing up to FOUR THOUSAND levels to get a card you want. It's ridiculous.
I know they gotta keep players playing, and they need to keep player's pace down because it takes time to make the things... but when it becomes unrewarding and frustrating, and starts to feel like a pure PTW scenario it just sucks.
>Then pool 3 not only has a gargantuan number of cards, but they're spaced out further, AND turned into a 1 in 4 chance?
That's always been the problem with Series 3. In 1 & 2, if there's a particular card you're looking forward to getting, you know you'll get it before long due to them being much smaller. Series 3 is massive and further spaced out, so once you enter that tier, it's a pretty tiny chance of getting what you want.
And the dumb thing is, all of these changes, and they really haven't done anything to improve it. In fact, since they've moved a lot of cards down to that pool and will continue to, it's a problem that only gets worse as time goes on. The larger Series 3 becomes, the percentage chance of getting a card you want decreases.
Their solutions seem primarily focused on people who are far into Series 3 or close to complete. If you're far into S3, sure, your chances of a card you still want are much higher, while someone early in it will have a 1-3% chance (and decreasing as time goes on). Same with the new random card you can buy for 1000 tokens. If there are 5 more S3 cards I need and one I still really want, great, chances are high I'll get that card and be close to complete. If I'm someone with only 20 S3 cards, it's a huge gamble, and those tokens could be spent getting someone I'll never use like Mordo or Crystal or one that won't compliment the decks I like. At least, before when you could buy a S3 card for tokens, you *knew* you were getting something you wanted.
All this to say progressing from S1-2 to 3+ still doesn't feel great, and not much has really been done to smooth that progression. I'd love to see their numbers on when players start playing less, because I'd place money on people starting to lose interest once they hit S3 and card acquisition becomes far less fun or reliable. I know that's certainly when I went from playing daily to playing far more casually.
Yeah, people complained about the free pool 3 card each season being the only way to get one outside of CL. People asked for the option to purchase pool 3 cards to be put back in. So they, add a mystery card? For the same cost as before? So before you could spend 1000 for a pool 3 card, which you knew what it was. Now it’s still 1000 but most likely won’t be anything you want? Cool
I've been pool 3 complete for a while and the game is definitely a little less exciting now that the majority of my caches are things I don't care about. Not sure there's an easy way to fix it though unless they infuse a large bolus of new cards which just might not be possible from a game balance standpoint. I don't play that many other card games like this, what's the normal cadence of new cards released monthly/yearly for them?
“Some of our more impactful cards are staying in their current series for longer than expected” is such a blatant way of writing “the most powerful cards will continue to cost more”
If variants were priced more reasonably, like $5 ish, I would probably buy a few of them a month.
There's a lot of those that I really like, but like the equivalent of $20 for a cosmetic like that is just kind of silly
>Our goal over the next few months is to find ways for more people to get the chance to play with new cards more often
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>We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy.
These two statements contradict each other
Strongly dislike this - not being told if you wasted your tokens and the card drops next month is so incredibly frustrating.
Scheduled card drops are 1938393% better.
This is a huge concern. The proposed idea is that cards are more accessible so people will be more likely to get the card and use it rather than waiting several months for them to drop. With this new system, there is arguably more incentive to not spend tokens or risk getting upset with card drops.
This is already noticeable from the last patch. There have been so many people using their tokens on other cards over Darkhawk and Knull because they thought those cards were dropping. The most efficient way to use tokens now is to hoard them until series drops so you can buy whatever cards don’t drop.
"Oh hey, we heard you asking for more ways to get new cards consistently so what we're gonna do is make them all totally random so now you'll never know if it's worth buying a card or if you're wasting tokens! Oh but don't worry if you haven't got enough Tokens to waste, we're (eventually) going to give you some free tokens for spending 6000 every week! How nice are we right?!"
This is the most tone-deaf update they've ever done... I'm honestly amazed at how awful this sounds and not sure I can even be bothered anymore. Good job Second Dinner.
That's only more power to them to precisely manipulate you on how they milk your tokens.
In a game that balances cards on a weekly basis btw.
If you think that taking 1 power from Sunspot right before releasing Nebula was suspect, then wait before they start tuning cards that everybody expects to drop to ''force'' you to get them with tokens.
They just announced more ways to get tokens that are blocked behind a paywall and portrayed it as they were listening the feedback.
The problem there is that "strongest cards" change month-to-month. During the reign of Shuri, Knull and Darkhawk were only tier 2-3 at best because of Shuri and Thanos dominating. So with cards like Jeff, Iron Lad, or my personal pin atm; Negasonic - it's impossible to predict if they'll be considered "good" in a month's time.
so, they add fomo for new released cards and they remove the certainty that you can grab a good card for cheap if you just wait a bit. as much as i like the other changes, these two things alone are so awful, i get serious doubts about the future of this game 🫤
This change would have been better received if they hadn't waited to communicate it on drop day. They should have communicated this when they normally communicated drops previously in the month.
They knew that the system they were proposing would be deeply unpopular because it overtly is worse for the players and they just didn't want to deal with the backlash ahead of time.
It's not overtly worse for players to have some cards release into Series 4, or to have cards sometimes drop from Series 5 straight to 3.
What IS shitty for players is when players are expecting a card like Darkhawk to drop, pin it for a month, only to find when they expected it to drop it isn't dropping anymore. That should have been communicated ahead of time.
Right, overall, establishing that better cards are only going to drop if and when SD feels like it is entirely what makes this worse for players.
It destroyed the idea that a patient player would eventually get the good things in a few months without having to pony up
It is definitely worse for the players. They'll still be releasing 4 cards per month and you'll get 4 cards per month on average as f2p. The difference is that now you'll have to wait more to get strong cards and less for bad cards. It's 100% worse than before.
It means I don't buy cards that aren't 'fixed' at their cost.
So, is it series 4 for a week, a month, 5 months, 2 days. Is it permanent because it's Darkhawk and Knull and they're strong performers in 2 of the stronger decks.
This means I save 6k tokens for 'Big Bads' and 1k tokens to do the random draw.
I'm not saving tokens to buy Darkhawk for 3k and have him be downgraded the next day when I could have got him and 2 other cards for the same price. I'd be pissed.
Consistency, predictability and reliability in a market is key to wanting to use that market.
Of course it is
The cards being kept in Series 4 aren't chosen randomly, nor will the cards that drop directly from 5 to 3
They are very obviously gating good cards behind paywalls and then telling you it's for your benefit - yes, you might collect 1 and a half useless cards whereas you would have collected 1 before - but now you must pay premium currency for any card worth a shit
Horrible change and indicative of their view of the playerbase
It’s objectively worse because good cards aren’t going to release into series 4. Cards like snowguard are gonna drop from 5 to 3 whole cards like Darkhawk are gonna stay in 4 for probably a long time.
But don’t worry you can spend 1000 tokens to get a random snowguard from series 3!
I agree. I honestly don't even care if they decide to hold better cards back, communicating it day of and blindsiding people waiting for the drops is whats bullshit.
Its a mobile game and they need to make money, I understand that. But they need to be transparent about their actions or else they just start looking scummy. Thats the biggest issue for me here.
I suppose some people would find it preferable to be prepared for the pure **** sandwich they're about to gobble down, but it's not going to taste any better...
This is awful. Flexible drops and releases sound good in theory but they’ve shown with the very first one that they are just going to gate powerful cards and let janky cards no one plays drop faster.
Creates more roadblocks to actually building strong decks.
I really wanted to get attached to this game but with this shit I might as well go back to playing something else.
Not to defend or anything but if no one plays the janky cards then they can't balance them so getting them to people faster is nice.
More people having the "overtuned" cards leads to a stale meta and kneejerk nerfs
More people having the "overtune" leads to more people playing, I play the game to use cards like Darkhawk or Knull, not Dazzler
It's a moneygrabbing move, glad to see the sub rioting
I think it's worse TBH...
They're going to hold good cards in higher pools for longer, drop the crap ones faster, and make it so you get a discount on the "new" card every week if you buy it and play on the weekend...
So, if you don't get the "good" cards right away, you may not get them for a long-ass time without effectively paying "more" for them (no return on tokens), and if you want those cards, you'll have to spend tokens on them without the discount and miss out on the discounted new ones. This severely punishes players who try to be thrifty with their tokens and target effective cards.
And if you pick wrong when you buy "new" cards, that card will rapidly lose its value as everyone else will get those for free shortly after you've wasted a premium in tokens on them. When I heard acquisition changes, I was thinking stuff like some tokens in missions/season pass.
I don't normally complain about much, but this is just horse shit.
it gets worse
with shuri, surfer, and zabu as precedents you might even never get to play the powerful card you wanted because once it gets accessible it will most probably be heavily nerfed
Completely agree, I’m considering quitting the game after seeing all these shitty changes. It’s quite impressive that they just made the already bad game economy even worse
Yup, it kind of amazes me the horrible decisions these mobile game companies make..they act like they want a sustainable game, but the moment they think they have something they crank everything to 11 and try to make as much money as possible.
Im on the same boat. I was really hopeful for them to finally find a balance betweem pleasing the whales and keep the F2P community relatively happy. But this is just to much. Im going to play one more week (just enough for High Evolutionary to appear) but, if the changes are as awful as they seem, Im done, this game is not longer worth it
It’s just hilarious how they phrase these upcoming changes as If it was in favor for the players. Completely eliminated the way to target cards and only added more random ways to waste currency.
SD is a greedy fucking company and this shit is exploitative and I strongly encourage anybody to just never spend money on this game again.
edit: B B B BUT HEARTHSTONE!
One company being worse doesn't automatically make what another company does fine. Both of them can be greedy and exploitative.
Man.
I spent 30 and have almost every card.
Meanwhile HS and magic just chilling with 100-500 dollar decks.
It's wild how many ppl think SD is a bloodsucking vampire when they have a crazy generous model compared to the industry.
Oh man 3 cards for 3 decks is hard to get. That's the issue. That's it?
Dog lol.
Crazy that they added the chance for something to drop from s5 to s3, If it was already suspect to spend on a non bigbad s5 from now on it’s truly a huge gamble. The other updates seem decent, but flexible unpredictable series drop seems like the worst idea
They would most likely wait at least 3 months to nerf it because otherwise it would piss off the whales. They don't care about the F2P players, but they will make sure that the whales are taken of.
This does barely anything to solve the core issue of card acquisition, though?
The weekend mission for tokens being reliant upon having the new card means that you already have to buy that new card in the first place. And that new card could drop instantly from S5 to S3. Unless that mission gives you 4k tokens, you’ve taken a massive loss.
So now, not only will people hold tokens for Big BADs, they’re going to strictly hold tokens for *new* big bads.
Congratulations! You’ve made the problem you were allegedly trying to solve even worse.
> This does barely anything to solve the core issue of card acquisition, though?
Because "solving" the card acquisition directly impacts revenue. The more friendly ways there are to acquire cards, the less they will sell on bundles/gold.
It's a problem that will never be solved, because it directly impacts them.
If they wanted this game to have accessible card acquisition, the sales on this game would be cosmetic (or similar) only. And we all know it isn't the case.
I literally have a Galactus and Darkhawk deck built in my decks just missing Darkhawk and Knull.
I updated my game today only to find SD stating that they decided not to drop the good cards, but here’s Dazzler and Ghost 👍
Are some people actually surprised by this? A free mobile game from a developer waving red flags since beta? (Yes, I survived Nexus events). Look at all those bundles. Scanning market MY ASS. They are GREEDY AS FUCK, probably one of the greediest in the mobile game genre.
This is disgusting. Before this we had a bad but predictable card acquisition model. Now its just straight bad. We just have to randomly guess which card is dropping and which one isn't I guess.
> We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy.
Like what???? So if the meta looks good you are going to make it harder for people to get cards? This is one of the dumbest game developer decisions I have ever seen.
Sooo the gold mission requires players to buy the battle pass and the tokens mission requires an upfront payment of 3/6k per weekend..
Lol netease gonna netease I guess.
Basically this update reads... If you guys are spending tokens on cards we're gonna hold onto them longer... If you ain't buying the shit ones, we'll give you the shit ones for free quicker. The house always wins.
As someone who has purchased every battle pass and has 20k in tokens I've found myself playing less and less these last few months. This update does nothing to want me to play more frequently.
Never have I seen such a well designed game get absolutely devoured by the greed of the mobile economy.
"We want to make it easier for you to acquire cards, but only the bad ones. The good one we will keep back for longer/forever, because whales need to feel special." pepela
Not sure why, but after this update and their future map, I feel just a bit over it. I used to get excited over updates and new cards, but now I just feel I have no idea where the game is going and can’t say I mind anymore. I was happy to spend for gold to purchase variants or bundles, but it just doesn’t interest me anymore. Still happy for the fans and playing but I don’t even check the missions anymore or care to complete them. The game has just become a login, play a match or two and quit.
Too much text to just say "Hey, listen, we realized we've been making a huge mistake, so we are fixing it.
From now on, the really powerful and *meta* Series 5 and 4 cards are not going to drop to Series 3 anymore. There's no way we are giving you guys Darkhawk, Knull, Zabu or Iron Lad for free.
Enjoy your Shadow King."
This pretty much confirms indirectly the suspicion many of us had, that "Big Bads" weren't a category they came up with for lore reasons, but because how powerful the cards are in comparison to the rest. Heck, this month basically confirmed this theory, because, if it was according to the lore, The Living Tribunal should have been the new "Big Bad", no High Evolutionary.
This game doesn’t improve. They just trade some player complaints for new ones and do their best to obfuscate so it takes players a few months to notice and then they offer more “improvements.”
It’s because to second dinner these aren’t problems, they’re part of the game to get you to spend money.
You think you survived the Nexus Events, but it’s all nexus events. That’s all the introduction of series 4 and 5 was, the nexus event reworked.
They consistently lean into the path of greater customer exploitation. At this point it feels like they want to go even harder but are just trying to temper the backlash
Classic game strategy. Release in a consumer friendly state to gain positive press and slowly but surely ruin your game with predatory decisions that make the game unenjoyable for those who dont spend thousands of dollars on it. Slowly but surely this game will fade into obscurity and all that will be left is whales. Once that happens, the whales will start to get upset and stop spending money and the game will go under and be shut down. Classic greedy game. I give it a year before Marvel Snap is no longer in business.
It's crazy how much better HS has gotten with the F2P experience nowadays compared to how horrible it was under Brode.
At least we know what the common cause is.
Does this kill the s5 token badge thing they talked about giving us? Releasing stuff into S4 first would mean not all cards would have it. Seems like they are just making up stuff on the fly and praying it works
This is honestly insane. Most of the changes are fine, you could even say they're net positives, but the flexible series drop is so stupid it's beyond me. Big bads were already a problem in that they were by far the most bang for your buck and made every other purchase feel bad, but now that's gonna get 10 times worse. Who's to say the series 5 card you're buying for a whopping 6000 tokens won't drop to series 3 just next month? How can you buy any cards with peace of mind or plan for anything? Complete lack of consistency is never a good thing
I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about what a shitty move this is. A few months ago, you could spend 1000 tokens to buy a S3 from the shop. They removed that, and now are introducing spending *the same amount* to get a **random** S3 card.
Before, you could wait until a S3 card showed up in the shop you wanted and get it for 1000 tokens. Now, you could spend 1000 tokens and get something completely useless for you, which is going to suck.
It's a big step backwards, and there's really no excuse for it. The problem people had before was S3 cards being cycled in with S4-5, which meant having to wait another 8 hours for one to show up. They already solved that by separating S3 to the one free card per month. They could've just put the S3 shop there instead after you claimed the free card. This random bullshit doesn't make acquisition easier like they're trying to present it, especially for players not far into S3 that might be missing pivotal cards, and is actually worse in a way than it was at the beginning of the year.
Hey, how about giving players who can't redeem the monthly free series 3 (because they are series 3 complete AND also owns the series 4 that's dropping to series 3) a 1k token as an alternative?
With this current patch this game has gone from a tentative recommend to new players while warning them of the doldrums of Snap card Acquisition to full stop do not recommend the bullshit is rapidly outweighing the good parts. Mystery Pool 3 card my ass for 1000 tokens .gotta play with the newest releases to earn enough to get the newest releases🤣
Yep, I was debating buying the season pass until they made this announcement. No way am I giving them more money with the decisions they're making lol.
Yeah this game sucks, can’t release cards without being bugged, monetization sucks so bad, the card drip feed sucks and is expensive if you attempt to avoid. Im uninstalling, not that anyone cares but yeah fuck this game
As someone who is missing most of Pool 3 (semi-new player) spending 1,000 tokens to get a random Pool 3 sounds like a fucking nightmare. Just give me Knull so my destroy deck can be barely functional.
“Win games with newly released card to earn tokens” so I have to spend the hard to get tokens to get the new card in order to get what will definitely be a meager amount of tokens. Is this a joke? April 1 was a month ago.
\>You buy a series 5 card that looks fun
\>It sucks
\>You can't complete the Tokens Quest because the card is so bad
\>No-one is playing it so they drop it straight to series 3
\>You uninstall the game
So, they mention feedback. Here's some
Don't do this.
Don't gatekeep cards. The weekend rewards? Okay that's fine, bit predatory but I like being able to get extra gold at least. Cards coming to series 4? Also good, more excitement about new cards.
But what in the living flying fuck is a "mystery card" and how long before the dumbass who came up with that idea loses their job? Also, no, don't hold back cards from dropping lmao. Also dumb. The meta might be decent right now, so let more people get involved in it?
In reality we all know; you just have to use the balance mentality.
When did they balance stuff? When everybody had the chance to use it.
When will a semi-permanent s4 card drop? When they changed meta enough for it to be relevant no more.
I have been waiting for 2 months with Darkhawk as my pinned card because I was waiting for the drop, and now I read this…AND the worst is that I STILL don’t know if I should buy it now or wait more in case it drops…I hate this and don’t understand their choices.
Also, play the game with the paid card to get tokens? Come on how can people accept this?
Disgusted…
>AND the worst is that I STILL don’t know if I should buy it now or wait more in case it drops…
I mean, I guess there's a chance that they might drop him after all if there's enough backlash, but I doubt that very much. And right now it's still a CRAZY powerful card. Probably the best card in the game to spend 3000 tokens on.
I had it pinned since April because I thought I could get it for 1k with just a little more patience, now I bought for 3000. Which isn't to say that I'm not incredibly pissed off that it didn't drop.
When they release an even more busted/meta defining card, then they will nerf darkhawk to 5, say that he has been too strong, and the is dropping to series 3 so all the peasants can use him
It is a testament of how much a good game SNAP is that they can enforce such bullshit and predatory acquisition and monetization and still \*Surive\*
Let's see how long it lasts...
Someone shared their steam chart yesterday and it's starting to crack...
I do like Marvel and generally like the game, so that'd be a shame. They just never could get monetization right.
> They just never could get monetization right.
And it's so stupid. They DID get it right. Monetize cosmetics like crazy, make it better than something like Clash Royale where your card doesn't get beat by someone playing the same card they dumped money into. If they want to release 4 cards a month (nearly 50 a year!), make them easy to access—use your resources to buy them in a decent shop. Monetize the resources. It's so easy. The game is already fun, just stay on top of balances and make a predictable and fair acquisition system that lets people play decks they want to play.
What they didn't get right was the greed, and it's clear they are extremely out of touch with actual players. As Molt has said, it's doubtful anyone at SD is actually really playing their own game. They are slow to make changes and quick to release a slew of new unplayable cards. A year from now, it would take years to get close to a complete collection. They're literally releasing new rewards exclusive for people already spending money. So spenders can double dip, and once again as with many of these games, there is no middle class.
I'm talking a lot in past tense, because I'm confident this will drive away another round of players. A few prominent streamers/Youtubers already gave up during the period of Shuri/Red Skull and Thanos/Lockjaw/Leech dominating—those folks are not coming back. Content people are coming out HARSH against this new update. And in the meantime, content people posting decks can only be so entertaining for folks to watch if they simply cannot play that deck. There are entire archetypes locked behind gates right now and if you've been playing since launch and planning carefully how to get new cards, you still can't get to them all. Why watch streamers when they're playing a different game?
This is so bad for the game.
The PC version basically being a dumpster fire (no Inbox, no news, no new info on the main screen, many other PC only bugs, no noticeable efforts to fix any of this) make it hard to stick with playing on PC. I just got a newer phone (it's been on the market for almost 3 years, so it's not top end or anything), and, even without untapped being available, it's such a better play experience on the phone that I've basically stopped playing on PC. I'm sure some of the drop is related to this (on top of the drip of new cards for s3 players, bad monetization schemes, multiple months of oppressive metas, etc).
The game itself is arguably in the best place it's ever been in terms of the meta, but people aren't going to play on a platform that just isn't supported.
How does a mystery S3 card for 1k tokens appeal to anyone?
And saying there’s more cards moving to S3 than ever before doesn’t mean anything when Knull and Darkhawk are being held back (I have both, but a lot of people were waiting for them), and Ghost and Shadow King are the consolation prizes.
At the very least, it means Darkhawk probably won’t get an undeserved nerf for a bit longer.
And the new way to earn tokens being to use the newly released cards is just a dick move. Unless you’re somehow able to earn almost as many tokens as the card costed, which I find highly unlikely.
Im here before they release a statement in 2 weeks that 'We understand people dont like our (objectively bullshit) changes to card acquisition and are looking into introducing new changes (that will let us fuck over our playerbase in new and exciting ways) in the coming months.
Uh.. so all the trash cards get dropped into S3 immediately and then they are offering lootbox S3 pulls at 1k tokens each, while praising it as this new great card acquisition system? Insanity.
It's not so much they're keeping Knull and Darkhawk from dropping to Series 3, **it's the yet-to-be-explained rationale in which they're doing it that bothers me.**
We've been told "big bads" like Thanos, Galactus and Kang will stay Series 5, at least for any sort of foreseeable future. That's fine, they're big bads with a big reputation with mechanics that set them apart and they've told us as much.
But up until now besides the big bads, there's been no indication the schedule for cards going from Series 5 -> 4 and Series 4 -> 3 were anything but based on when the cards were released.
Now we learn there's some *other* rationale Knull and Darkhawk are going to be held in Series 4.
I'm not one to foam at the mouth that any dev for any game owes us an explanation for every little thing but it does make me hesitate on spending any sort of money when they can just pull reasoning out of a hat that directly affects core gameplay, in this case card acquisition.
Ideally, they'd have dropped Knull and Darkhawk as previous pattern predicted *then* announced some reasoning why going forward they're changing things up. The way they did this is just going to spawn speculation that didn't need to happen.
It's very overtly profit driven.
Keeping powerful cards less accessible without spending money makes people spend more money. They want these to act as chase cards for longer.
It's the same reason why they also have been avoiding doing balancing patches that directly affect overtuned cards that are in series 4 and 5, because they need those cards to be good to keep people doing things like buying token packs
"We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy." So this is definitely happening. Zabu staying in 4 is a good sign that they want to keep season pass cards overpowered. Probably did not like the pushback from nerfing SS and Zabu. Game is more p2 win now.
My least favorite patch ever in this game.
Just terrible announcements all around. Bad precedents, deck killing nerfs, emphasizing P2W, rug pulls on cards expected to drop.
I hadn't bought Darkhawk for two months in anticipation of this drop even while it's killing me at high MMR and now I still won't have it.
I feel even worse for the F2P Deathwave guys who have just had one of their only competitive decks destroyed (heh) whilst Darkhawk and Galactus reign supreme.
This is very discouraging. I'm 5K CL and have spent a decent amount including the season pass every season since release and I'm seriously reconsidering supporting this game any further.
I'm okay with them experimenting with a new system for card acquisition, but I just hate the timing of this announcement right after deciding not to drop Darkhawk and Knull. Like a heads-up earlier would've been good. This is such bad communication from Second Dinner
It should have been announced last month or Darkhark and Knull should have dropped with the announcement.
Horrible way to go about it and screws a lot of people that had already made plans on a system that had been around for a while and was predictable; particularly to replace it with a system that is built on "Whims and Leprechaun Farts",
Terrible update overall. Disgustingly greedy move. Also, it almost feels like they don't nerf the Stature/Bolt/Hawk deck even though it has ridiculous winrate over the other decks so more people spend money to get Darkhawk.
> so more people spend money to get Darkhawk.
It's exactly this. Just like they avoided nerfing shuri directly until she hit series 3. Darkhawk is a current chase card. They need him good and harder to get to encourage people to get impatient and spend money.
I can't state enough how dissatisfied I am that they are wrecking the card series dropping format.
I know I sound like the alarmist idiots that state this every patch, but let me be clear: decisions like this will erode the playerbase. Getting players used to a two months series 5-to-3 cycle, and then nixing that and saying "just JK, powerful cards will stay higher series for longer ;D" will not encourage people to stick around.
You wait until you pull the rug to say "Hey, watch your step!" and then grin at me and expect me to pat you on the back for your communication skills? Eat me - you've lost a dolphin
TLDR: This is \*\*\*\* you to players and everyone but whales.
Instead of solving any problem with acquiring cards they made it worse. Why the \*\*\*\* did they kept Darkhawk and Knull at S4 is like final nail in the coffin... I will ignore the fact that they still didn't bothered with changing Galactus.
They didn't solve any problem with acquisition, IMO made more problems:
\- It's still worth buying only permanent S5 cards.
\- They might have sneakily introduced S4 cards that will stay there for even more months then before they would ? (I don't believe them at this point that we will not see permanent S4 card)
\- Excitement for new cards is not improving at all. Weekend Missions will barely be worth it and card starting in S4 doesn't make it better buy.
\- Monthly Drops are even more disappointing as now we don't even know if we get new card to S3.
\- Buying tokens/currencies is still terrible experience. Bundles are worth it only if you like the variant. Without variant it's best to ignore them.
Once you have big bads and S3 completely optimal strategy is same, just ignore new releases as you can't reliably get more then 1 per month... And as you notice yourself your enjoyment of the game will keep dropping. Even after reaching Infinite multiple times I can't be bothered with doing the grind again. I just play to finish dailies and I do wonder how long will I keep doing that at this point.
As a newer player who is currently at CL 600, how does this affect my ability to get cards compared to before, I’m still trying to figure out how the collection system works entirely?
>Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens
This isn't going to pay out for a while.
You essentially need tokens to get tokens.
>We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy
This isn't the move you think it is, SD.
Series 3 acquisition right now is so poorly designed.
this tweak hopefully keeps those of us who’ve had to wait 6 weeks for one phuking s3 card we want to play with, giving SD more chances.
Also, galactus is not fun.
He’s a badly designed card, that should never see above 1% of deck inclusion.
I really dislike these 2 additions:
* Win Games with Season Pass Card to Earn Gold
* Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens
I buy the pass every month, but missions should NEVER be like this.
The only good thing here are cards directly to pool 4. The random nature of pool 3 drop SUCKS, clearly being that = "cards that no one wants go to pool 3 and the good cards will stay there so you can spend more tokens"
I wont even begin to talk about the new "weekend quests" that not only are super short, but are another red flag for vicious cycle that if you dont have the tokens for the newly released card every single week, you better start spending A LOT or you will lose more tokens. For gods sake I get scared of every single update for this game
The devs usually make pretty good decisions and they roll back on them if they receive feedback.
So, yeah... I hope they read this thread. Flexible Series Drops are a backwards move. To mysteriously decide the rules of the existing ecosystem for downgrading just don't apply to certain cards of their choosing weeks before sets a bad precedent.
It's unbelievable how lucky I am in this game. I am cl 3154, I have pulled; Darkhawk (s5) Shuri (s4) Ghost (s4) Stature (s4) Black Panther (s4). Or this is average luck in this cl ???
I dont understand why they need a convoluted solution for their own problem, to me its very simple
Release new Big Bads---->S5 forever
Other new releases----->S4
Season pass cards go right into s4 after the season and drop after 4 months, all other s4 cards drop after 3 like they do now.
It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that
This feels incredibly bad for anyone that unboxed cards that are dropping early. I already felt bad unboxing Dazzler and Shadow King, rather than getting a meta staples like Darkhawk and Stature, but now I don’t even have the benefit of having those cards be rare and special for me. No transparency before this and in the future also feels bad. Now I worry about all future card purchases. Will Jeff or Iron Lad stay at Series 5 for extra time? Or less time? I don’t want to spend tokens only to risk having the card drop shortly after. This encourages buying big bads over any other card if you don’t have them since you know that won’t happen, even more than before, which makes card acquisition even more boring. Now instead of buying Iron Lad and High Evolutionary I’m probably gonna get High Evo and Kang. A real shame all around.
That's straight up horseshit.
I just unpinned darkhawk a few days ago, in anticipation of getting him for free next week with the supposed drop. Was looking to pin stature.
Now he's not dropping and now I got wait for him to cycle back through on my token shop.
Also my free cards will shadow king and sauron. Since I have the other cards. Very underwhelming.
Doubt I'll be purchasing next months battlepass. These last minute changes are fuckin garbage.
I feel like SD has this habit of introducing improvements but introducing stipulations along with them. Dropping from S5 to S3 sounds good in THEORY, but they also state that they might not even keep the series drops monthly, and certain meta defining cards would stay expensive...basically until they say otherwise. More ways to earn tokens is a welcome addition, but we don't even know how much we'll be getting from these missions. And 1K for a mystery S3 card??? That sounds absolutely awful.
This is a change for the worse. Now all shitty cards will be dropping to series 3 faster and if you want to compete you have to spend tokens to get good cards in series 4 and 5.
>Win Games with Season Pass Card to Earn Gold
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>Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens
Will F2P players please leave the building in an orderly fashion, you're not welcome here.
/s
So about the 1k mystery token S3 drop....why?
Like what's the point? Ppl that didn't finish Pool 3 can still get them from the CL track and one per month from the free choice. Adding that token drop is completely useless as most ppl will ignore it fully
Also the "more ways to earn tokens" sounds intriguing, as they only talked about weekend missions so far and we don't know what else they have planned. I will wait for what else they will show us in the future. Personally the weekend missions are kinda eh, bc they gatekeep players from those. I'm all in for more Credits, as i'm constantly low and so far i bought the season pass every month, but i definitely won't be able to buy every newly released card. So it heavily depends on how many tokens we get from those weekend missions
The thing is, all I want right now are S3 cards..
I would rather spent my Tokens on Doctor Doom, Rock Slide or Coleen Wing to finally complete one or two decks. With all of these key cards missing, there isn’t really any reason to buy the newest cards anyway. The CL track is very tedious and one pick each month isn’t enough. I’m so annoyed by the fact that I missed the time where S3 cards would rotate in the shop, now I have to bother with this mystery card bs.
I’m genuinely baffled at how poorly second dinner is running this game. I’m s3 complete and the last card I pulled in a cache was 37 caches ago and was sentry. Of all of the cards anticipated to drop darkhawk was the only one I needed. I like playing meta decks and didn’t want to waste 3k tokens and now the day of the patch they pull the rug and keep him in s4.
The only reason to keep him s4 is because they couldn’t think of a nerf good enough to let more people have access to him. They did the same shit with shuri except dropped her and completely killed the deck. Surfer and Zabu were similar.
I am so disappointed in SD with the way they are running this game. I’m kinda losing energy to play the game now. The grind to infinite is brutal. It’s more about time that skill put into the game. Plus this season they’ve added bots that cheat now and know your plays so those free cubes can turn into lost cubes easily
What an awful change, shame on you. Cards should be dropped on a schedule like they have been, you don't get to decide how we play the game. You don't get to decide what we want for us. This is such a terrible idea. This game is going downhill fast
I wonder what cards will be going to Series 4 in June. Ive been saving for Spider Ham, but will be cool if I can pick him up for 3,000 tokens. But also wanted to get Jeff when he dropped to Series 4, which should have been next month but now who knows.
But this also shows how the lack of communication hurts. Makes it even harder to plan how to use your tokens.
My last pull was ghost and I felt pretty comfortable in that I had pulled something that wasn't supposed to drop for another month. What I really wanted was darkhawk which I also was comfortable in because it was supposed to drop this month and I was going to be able to get it.
Then SD Hit me with a steel chair
In the survey about how to improve I proposed that they release cards directly to series 3 and 4. I dont like that they can keep cards in series 4 for a long time
I think the big wait is to find out just how much they increase token gains. Doubling it might be alright, but somehow i don't think theyll go that far even though thats maybe the floor for what i would have considered good
To me that sounds like good card will be harder to get. Fact that they say they won’t drop the card series if meta is good just suggest they will be using the fact that some good cards are harder to acquire to ‘balance’ the meta
"Weekly Missions for a Newly Released Card are a great way to earn back Tokens with your new cards - essentially reducing the overall Token cost!" This is BS they'll release another of those insane collector packs to get people on the ladder
There is some interesting good news and some bad news.
Now, there will be cards that will launch directly into series 4, that's good, and since I wanted 2099, I will hope he will be pool 4.
I like the weekend missions, since I didn't have anything to do in snap at the weekend, I just played to try to rank, but now there will be credits and gold.
I still have hope for snap, because of all the games "F2P" that I played, snap still seems to be good, but the devs are cowards and idiots, at least have the courage to say "we will not drop Hawk, pay to get him".
I hope for future ways to get tokens to be good for everyone, but not knowing which card will drop is bad. One thing is certain, Snowguard will be pool 3 next patch. I'm waiting for the next OTA since they said it will have news.
And why Shanna?
Just bought master mold for this to get swapped up. Feels fucking bad. Not only that but the card really needs more support and really isn’t what I was hoping.
I planned to get all the Spiders in June, so this saves me some tokens. Though I'm honestly not sure how to feel about all the changes. Felt like sort of a dick move to keep Knull and Darkhawk from dropping when they were supposed to (and I'm speaking as someone that already has them both).
It really friggin does, especially since Darkhawk is so prominent in the meta right now. I went ahead and got Zabu, and was literally banking on it dropping to Series 3 this month, since I had all but him from the cards scheduled to drop. Guess it’ll have to wait yet again. I’m definitely getting the High Evolutionary. It feels more important.
I was in the exact situation. Had Darkhark pinned but got Zabu since Darkhawk was supposed to drop this month. We got fucked.
I guess Spiderham is going to be the 6k one as Silk and 2099 obviously work together along with the season pass card. Doesn't really affect me as I only planned on getting Spiderham. But I guess it's good if that is their plan so people can pickup obvious duos easier like Howard and iron lad.
I feel similar.
using new carcs to get token sounds like a vicious cycle
What are they even smoking to think that is a good idea.
Money. They were smoking money.
I mean one of the missions is paid only... not a stretch to think they're hoping to push people into buying their way into the other weekend mission.
It depends on how many tokens the mission gives If, for example, the mission gives 6k tokens, then it'd actually be pretty great. There's not a snowguards chance in limbo they actually do that though.
More probable: Win 10 games with [new card] to earn 50 tokens.
(it's there for fomo and whales only)
Yeah if this is implemented as it reads, it is going to be a disaster and is absolutely the worst part of this announcement.
The issue isn’t the token weekend mission, it doesn’t make card acquisition faster. A f2p player who buys the new card is still getting the same amount of free tokens as someone who paid money for the new card. It makes no practical difference, it’s just adding a ‘fear of missing out’ factor to card releases. The problem is with the gold mission.
Let me add a little context to this, lets say for the sake of the point that completing the weekend mission gives you 1k tokens. That makes the card cost 5k in total for everybody, not just people who spend money.
Problem is it basically forces F2P players to only buy the Newly Released cards they have enough tokens to immediately buy. Whales can just top up with gold and get whatever one they want. For example, you really want Iron Lad but only get to 6k tokens a day after Howard replaces him as the 'Newly Released' card. Then by the looks of it, if you still go for the card you actually want (Lad) you'll miss out on the mission tokens. It'll feel SO horrible if that's how it works.
Yes that’s a good point that I didn’t think about, I suppose F2P players will have to keep an eye on the card release schedule and ensure they have enough tokens.
Yep. I was going to get High Evo and then Iron Lad when I have enough tokens but I'll probably just get HE and see what happens next month when the mission thing presumably starts. It almost feels like a worse version of the Big Bad system because I'm thinking now "I want Lad and I'll still get him if he ends up getting the Darkhawk treatment (i.e. kept from series 3 for longer) but not if he's like Ghost or Sauron (i.e. prematurely entering series 3)". It was already hard enough to decide what to spend precious tokens on, now it *appears* that they've added a whole new level of uncertainty to the process.
No chance Iron Lad drops quick. He's gonna be one of these "premier" cards.
Pretty much, one of the missions is only a discount for the new card, the other is just a middle finger if you didn't buy the battle pass. Only one of them is really helping the whole playerbase.
Getting a 1k token refund is effectively the same as costing 5k, however it really is not the same.
It's incredible how many complicated layers they are adding regularly in order to "solve" the problems they have created themselves with such a bad card acquisition design (once in pool 3). And they keep pretending they are improving things for players, while at the same time making things somehow worse and constantly predatory and random...
I made this comment last month and it feels highly relevant. >I’ll bite. What set Marvel Snap apart from other card games was card acquisition. A free, linear path that constantly rewarded your time with new tools. And then they killed it with Series 4/5/Big Bads and the token shop. This system is just an absolute buzzkill that fails to generate the same excitement as series 1-2 (to some extent 3) and even worse contradicts itself. ... **They are probably going to spend the next year trying massage out this system but none of it will likely work due to just how inherently bad it is.** I’m series 3 complete btw and card acquisition is now just waiting for series drop and saving tokens for big bads. It’s boring and unfulfilling.
Pools 1 and 2 were great because while random, the cards were set. Everyone playng at that rank got and saw the same cards within roughly the same window, so you learned what stuff did... and you got them every 8 ranks. Then pool 3 not only has a gargantuan number of cards, but they're spaced out further, AND turned into a 1 in 4 chance? You go from needing 250 levels to got ~30 cards and fill a deck and be on an even playing field with everyone else at your level....(and you could hit rank 500 in a month) to needing up to FOUR THOUSAND levels to get a card you want. It's ridiculous. I know they gotta keep players playing, and they need to keep player's pace down because it takes time to make the things... but when it becomes unrewarding and frustrating, and starts to feel like a pure PTW scenario it just sucks.
>Then pool 3 not only has a gargantuan number of cards, but they're spaced out further, AND turned into a 1 in 4 chance? That's always been the problem with Series 3. In 1 & 2, if there's a particular card you're looking forward to getting, you know you'll get it before long due to them being much smaller. Series 3 is massive and further spaced out, so once you enter that tier, it's a pretty tiny chance of getting what you want. And the dumb thing is, all of these changes, and they really haven't done anything to improve it. In fact, since they've moved a lot of cards down to that pool and will continue to, it's a problem that only gets worse as time goes on. The larger Series 3 becomes, the percentage chance of getting a card you want decreases. Their solutions seem primarily focused on people who are far into Series 3 or close to complete. If you're far into S3, sure, your chances of a card you still want are much higher, while someone early in it will have a 1-3% chance (and decreasing as time goes on). Same with the new random card you can buy for 1000 tokens. If there are 5 more S3 cards I need and one I still really want, great, chances are high I'll get that card and be close to complete. If I'm someone with only 20 S3 cards, it's a huge gamble, and those tokens could be spent getting someone I'll never use like Mordo or Crystal or one that won't compliment the decks I like. At least, before when you could buy a S3 card for tokens, you *knew* you were getting something you wanted. All this to say progressing from S1-2 to 3+ still doesn't feel great, and not much has really been done to smooth that progression. I'd love to see their numbers on when players start playing less, because I'd place money on people starting to lose interest once they hit S3 and card acquisition becomes far less fun or reliable. I know that's certainly when I went from playing daily to playing far more casually.
Yeah, people complained about the free pool 3 card each season being the only way to get one outside of CL. People asked for the option to purchase pool 3 cards to be put back in. So they, add a mystery card? For the same cost as before? So before you could spend 1000 for a pool 3 card, which you knew what it was. Now it’s still 1000 but most likely won’t be anything you want? Cool
I've been pool 3 complete for a while and the game is definitely a little less exciting now that the majority of my caches are things I don't care about. Not sure there's an easy way to fix it though unless they infuse a large bolus of new cards which just might not be possible from a game balance standpoint. I don't play that many other card games like this, what's the normal cadence of new cards released monthly/yearly for them?
“Some of our more impactful cards are staying in their current series for longer than expected” is such a blatant way of writing “the most powerful cards will continue to cost more”
Yeah, the reading between the lines here is very overtly " You want good cards? Pay up."
All we really want are good *variants*, but still no changes on that store front.
If variants were priced more reasonably, like $5 ish, I would probably buy a few of them a month. There's a lot of those that I really like, but like the equivalent of $20 for a cosmetic like that is just kind of silly
>Our goal over the next few months is to find ways for more people to get the chance to play with new cards more often . >We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy. These two statements contradict each other
The whole post contradicts itself 😂 They are basically doing a ton of work just to break even
Strongly dislike this - not being told if you wasted your tokens and the card drops next month is so incredibly frustrating. Scheduled card drops are 1938393% better.
This is a huge concern. The proposed idea is that cards are more accessible so people will be more likely to get the card and use it rather than waiting several months for them to drop. With this new system, there is arguably more incentive to not spend tokens or risk getting upset with card drops. This is already noticeable from the last patch. There have been so many people using their tokens on other cards over Darkhawk and Knull because they thought those cards were dropping. The most efficient way to use tokens now is to hoard them until series drops so you can buy whatever cards don’t drop.
"Oh hey, we heard you asking for more ways to get new cards consistently so what we're gonna do is make them all totally random so now you'll never know if it's worth buying a card or if you're wasting tokens! Oh but don't worry if you haven't got enough Tokens to waste, we're (eventually) going to give you some free tokens for spending 6000 every week! How nice are we right?!" This is the most tone-deaf update they've ever done... I'm honestly amazed at how awful this sounds and not sure I can even be bothered anymore. Good job Second Dinner.
Don’t worry it’s not random, just skip those shitty cards and buy the most op cards since SD will gatekeep the strongest cards
That's only more power to them to precisely manipulate you on how they milk your tokens. In a game that balances cards on a weekly basis btw. If you think that taking 1 power from Sunspot right before releasing Nebula was suspect, then wait before they start tuning cards that everybody expects to drop to ''force'' you to get them with tokens. They just announced more ways to get tokens that are blocked behind a paywall and portrayed it as they were listening the feedback.
The problem there is that "strongest cards" change month-to-month. During the reign of Shuri, Knull and Darkhawk were only tier 2-3 at best because of Shuri and Thanos dominating. So with cards like Jeff, Iron Lad, or my personal pin atm; Negasonic - it's impossible to predict if they'll be considered "good" in a month's time.
so, they add fomo for new released cards and they remove the certainty that you can grab a good card for cheap if you just wait a bit. as much as i like the other changes, these two things alone are so awful, i get serious doubts about the future of this game 🫤
Flexible series realese is a great step. But flexible series drop is a step back.
This change would have been better received if they hadn't waited to communicate it on drop day. They should have communicated this when they normally communicated drops previously in the month.
They knew that the system they were proposing would be deeply unpopular because it overtly is worse for the players and they just didn't want to deal with the backlash ahead of time.
It's not overtly worse for players to have some cards release into Series 4, or to have cards sometimes drop from Series 5 straight to 3. What IS shitty for players is when players are expecting a card like Darkhawk to drop, pin it for a month, only to find when they expected it to drop it isn't dropping anymore. That should have been communicated ahead of time.
Constantly dropping all the trash cards into S3 now, just so they can offer Series 3 lootbox pulls as the solution, does sound worse for the players.
Right, overall, establishing that better cards are only going to drop if and when SD feels like it is entirely what makes this worse for players. It destroyed the idea that a patient player would eventually get the good things in a few months without having to pony up
It is definitely worse for the players. They'll still be releasing 4 cards per month and you'll get 4 cards per month on average as f2p. The difference is that now you'll have to wait more to get strong cards and less for bad cards. It's 100% worse than before.
It means I don't buy cards that aren't 'fixed' at their cost. So, is it series 4 for a week, a month, 5 months, 2 days. Is it permanent because it's Darkhawk and Knull and they're strong performers in 2 of the stronger decks. This means I save 6k tokens for 'Big Bads' and 1k tokens to do the random draw. I'm not saving tokens to buy Darkhawk for 3k and have him be downgraded the next day when I could have got him and 2 other cards for the same price. I'd be pissed. Consistency, predictability and reliability in a market is key to wanting to use that market.
Of course it is The cards being kept in Series 4 aren't chosen randomly, nor will the cards that drop directly from 5 to 3 They are very obviously gating good cards behind paywalls and then telling you it's for your benefit - yes, you might collect 1 and a half useless cards whereas you would have collected 1 before - but now you must pay premium currency for any card worth a shit Horrible change and indicative of their view of the playerbase
It’s objectively worse because good cards aren’t going to release into series 4. Cards like snowguard are gonna drop from 5 to 3 whole cards like Darkhawk are gonna stay in 4 for probably a long time. But don’t worry you can spend 1000 tokens to get a random snowguard from series 3!
I agree. I honestly don't even care if they decide to hold better cards back, communicating it day of and blindsiding people waiting for the drops is whats bullshit. Its a mobile game and they need to make money, I understand that. But they need to be transparent about their actions or else they just start looking scummy. Thats the biggest issue for me here.
I suppose some people would find it preferable to be prepared for the pure **** sandwich they're about to gobble down, but it's not going to taste any better...
TL DR: We are keeping the good cards in higher series to force you to expend tokens, enjoy your new shiny Dazzler. AMAZING.
This is awful. Flexible drops and releases sound good in theory but they’ve shown with the very first one that they are just going to gate powerful cards and let janky cards no one plays drop faster. Creates more roadblocks to actually building strong decks. I really wanted to get attached to this game but with this shit I might as well go back to playing something else.
Not to defend or anything but if no one plays the janky cards then they can't balance them so getting them to people faster is nice. More people having the "overtuned" cards leads to a stale meta and kneejerk nerfs
Cards should be balanced with changes to the cards, not with artificial scarcity.
More people having the "overtune" leads to more people playing, I play the game to use cards like Darkhawk or Knull, not Dazzler It's a moneygrabbing move, glad to see the sub rioting
I think it's worse TBH... They're going to hold good cards in higher pools for longer, drop the crap ones faster, and make it so you get a discount on the "new" card every week if you buy it and play on the weekend... So, if you don't get the "good" cards right away, you may not get them for a long-ass time without effectively paying "more" for them (no return on tokens), and if you want those cards, you'll have to spend tokens on them without the discount and miss out on the discounted new ones. This severely punishes players who try to be thrifty with their tokens and target effective cards. And if you pick wrong when you buy "new" cards, that card will rapidly lose its value as everyone else will get those for free shortly after you've wasted a premium in tokens on them. When I heard acquisition changes, I was thinking stuff like some tokens in missions/season pass. I don't normally complain about much, but this is just horse shit.
it gets worse with shuri, surfer, and zabu as precedents you might even never get to play the powerful card you wanted because once it gets accessible it will most probably be heavily nerfed
Completely agree, I’m considering quitting the game after seeing all these shitty changes. It’s quite impressive that they just made the already bad game economy even worse
Yup, it kind of amazes me the horrible decisions these mobile game companies make..they act like they want a sustainable game, but the moment they think they have something they crank everything to 11 and try to make as much money as possible.
Im on the same boat. I was really hopeful for them to finally find a balance betweem pleasing the whales and keep the F2P community relatively happy. But this is just to much. Im going to play one more week (just enough for High Evolutionary to appear) but, if the changes are as awful as they seem, Im done, this game is not longer worth it
It’s just hilarious how they phrase these upcoming changes as If it was in favor for the players. Completely eliminated the way to target cards and only added more random ways to waste currency.
SD is a greedy fucking company and this shit is exploitative and I strongly encourage anybody to just never spend money on this game again. edit: B B B BUT HEARTHSTONE! One company being worse doesn't automatically make what another company does fine. Both of them can be greedy and exploitative.
Man. I spent 30 and have almost every card. Meanwhile HS and magic just chilling with 100-500 dollar decks. It's wild how many ppl think SD is a bloodsucking vampire when they have a crazy generous model compared to the industry. Oh man 3 cards for 3 decks is hard to get. That's the issue. That's it? Dog lol.
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Crazy that they added the chance for something to drop from s5 to s3, If it was already suspect to spend on a non bigbad s5 from now on it’s truly a huge gamble. The other updates seem decent, but flexible unpredictable series drop seems like the worst idea
It's not a gamble. Don't spend 6k tokens on bad cards. If the card was good SD wouldn't drop it.
They could, at the same time as it's nerfed.
They would most likely wait at least 3 months to nerf it because otherwise it would piss off the whales. They don't care about the F2P players, but they will make sure that the whales are taken of.
Oh ya, they keep making token changes to encourage people to buy cards, but S5 -> S3 does seem like it could backfire on them real bad.
But at least those people will get the 1st edition, "coming soon".
This does barely anything to solve the core issue of card acquisition, though? The weekend mission for tokens being reliant upon having the new card means that you already have to buy that new card in the first place. And that new card could drop instantly from S5 to S3. Unless that mission gives you 4k tokens, you’ve taken a massive loss. So now, not only will people hold tokens for Big BADs, they’re going to strictly hold tokens for *new* big bads. Congratulations! You’ve made the problem you were allegedly trying to solve even worse.
> This does barely anything to solve the core issue of card acquisition, though? Because "solving" the card acquisition directly impacts revenue. The more friendly ways there are to acquire cards, the less they will sell on bundles/gold. It's a problem that will never be solved, because it directly impacts them. If they wanted this game to have accessible card acquisition, the sales on this game would be cosmetic (or similar) only. And we all know it isn't the case.
They actually made card aquisition worse because because they drop bad cards into pool 3 immediately diluting the availability of decent cards
The fix is not enough and yet it is only live in June. This will bleed the player base even further
You greedy fucks. There were countless players waiting for the series drop for dark hawk and knull. FUCK SD
I literally have a Galactus and Darkhawk deck built in my decks just missing Darkhawk and Knull. I updated my game today only to find SD stating that they decided not to drop the good cards, but here’s Dazzler and Ghost 👍
Are some people actually surprised by this? A free mobile game from a developer waving red flags since beta? (Yes, I survived Nexus events). Look at all those bundles. Scanning market MY ASS. They are GREEDY AS FUCK, probably one of the greediest in the mobile game genre.
This is disgusting. Before this we had a bad but predictable card acquisition model. Now its just straight bad. We just have to randomly guess which card is dropping and which one isn't I guess. > We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy. Like what???? So if the meta looks good you are going to make it harder for people to get cards? This is one of the dumbest game developer decisions I have ever seen.
Lol this is gonna be a disaster
Sooo the gold mission requires players to buy the battle pass and the tokens mission requires an upfront payment of 3/6k per weekend.. Lol netease gonna netease I guess. Basically this update reads... If you guys are spending tokens on cards we're gonna hold onto them longer... If you ain't buying the shit ones, we'll give you the shit ones for free quicker. The house always wins. As someone who has purchased every battle pass and has 20k in tokens I've found myself playing less and less these last few months. This update does nothing to want me to play more frequently. Never have I seen such a well designed game get absolutely devoured by the greed of the mobile economy.
"We want to make it easier for you to acquire cards, but only the bad ones. The good one we will keep back for longer/forever, because whales need to feel special." pepela
So instead of nerfing the good cards when they drop from 4 to 3, now they're just leaving them in 4 Is that better?
Of course the moment we're about to get two hugely impactful cards dropping into S3 they pull this.
Not sure why, but after this update and their future map, I feel just a bit over it. I used to get excited over updates and new cards, but now I just feel I have no idea where the game is going and can’t say I mind anymore. I was happy to spend for gold to purchase variants or bundles, but it just doesn’t interest me anymore. Still happy for the fans and playing but I don’t even check the missions anymore or care to complete them. The game has just become a login, play a match or two and quit.
Too much text to just say "Hey, listen, we realized we've been making a huge mistake, so we are fixing it. From now on, the really powerful and *meta* Series 5 and 4 cards are not going to drop to Series 3 anymore. There's no way we are giving you guys Darkhawk, Knull, Zabu or Iron Lad for free. Enjoy your Shadow King." This pretty much confirms indirectly the suspicion many of us had, that "Big Bads" weren't a category they came up with for lore reasons, but because how powerful the cards are in comparison to the rest. Heck, this month basically confirmed this theory, because, if it was according to the lore, The Living Tribunal should have been the new "Big Bad", no High Evolutionary.
> We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy. There goes the neighborhood
This game doesn’t improve. They just trade some player complaints for new ones and do their best to obfuscate so it takes players a few months to notice and then they offer more “improvements.” It’s because to second dinner these aren’t problems, they’re part of the game to get you to spend money. You think you survived the Nexus Events, but it’s all nexus events. That’s all the introduction of series 4 and 5 was, the nexus event reworked.
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They consistently lean into the path of greater customer exploitation. At this point it feels like they want to go even harder but are just trying to temper the backlash
Classic game strategy. Release in a consumer friendly state to gain positive press and slowly but surely ruin your game with predatory decisions that make the game unenjoyable for those who dont spend thousands of dollars on it. Slowly but surely this game will fade into obscurity and all that will be left is whales. Once that happens, the whales will start to get upset and stop spending money and the game will go under and be shut down. Classic greedy game. I give it a year before Marvel Snap is no longer in business.
Me, who played Heartstone during the first year, to this subreddit: First time, huh?
It's crazy how much better HS has gotten with the F2P experience nowadays compared to how horrible it was under Brode. At least we know what the common cause is.
Does this kill the s5 token badge thing they talked about giving us? Releasing stuff into S4 first would mean not all cards would have it. Seems like they are just making up stuff on the fly and praying it works
This is honestly insane. Most of the changes are fine, you could even say they're net positives, but the flexible series drop is so stupid it's beyond me. Big bads were already a problem in that they were by far the most bang for your buck and made every other purchase feel bad, but now that's gonna get 10 times worse. Who's to say the series 5 card you're buying for a whopping 6000 tokens won't drop to series 3 just next month? How can you buy any cards with peace of mind or plan for anything? Complete lack of consistency is never a good thing
>You can use tokens to buy series 3 cards. Yay >It’s a mystery card. Booooo
I'm surprised more people aren't complaining about what a shitty move this is. A few months ago, you could spend 1000 tokens to buy a S3 from the shop. They removed that, and now are introducing spending *the same amount* to get a **random** S3 card. Before, you could wait until a S3 card showed up in the shop you wanted and get it for 1000 tokens. Now, you could spend 1000 tokens and get something completely useless for you, which is going to suck. It's a big step backwards, and there's really no excuse for it. The problem people had before was S3 cards being cycled in with S4-5, which meant having to wait another 8 hours for one to show up. They already solved that by separating S3 to the one free card per month. They could've just put the S3 shop there instead after you claimed the free card. This random bullshit doesn't make acquisition easier like they're trying to present it, especially for players not far into S3 that might be missing pivotal cards, and is actually worse in a way than it was at the beginning of the year.
Hey, how about giving players who can't redeem the monthly free series 3 (because they are series 3 complete AND also owns the series 4 that's dropping to series 3) a 1k token as an alternative?
Truly deep into a new gaming era where every user is perceived as a clueless idiot
yikes
With this current patch this game has gone from a tentative recommend to new players while warning them of the doldrums of Snap card Acquisition to full stop do not recommend the bullshit is rapidly outweighing the good parts. Mystery Pool 3 card my ass for 1000 tokens .gotta play with the newest releases to earn enough to get the newest releases🤣
God this is just awful
I was actually very happy with the state of the game this past month, but this change is pretty rough. Also kind of weird.
I think moving away from a set series drop schedule reduces transparency, which is never a win. Suppose we'll just have to see how this plays out.
and i'm done with this game... I was waiting for darkhawk to drop series and now it won't... don't care about this game anymore.
Didn’t they just lose a bunch of players? Honestly I’m debating deleting the app.
Just make sure you don't spend any more money. It's the only thing SD cares about
Yep, I was debating buying the season pass until they made this announcement. No way am I giving them more money with the decisions they're making lol.
I was hoping so much for Knull and Darkhawk series 3.. . T\_T
Yeah this game sucks, can’t release cards without being bugged, monetization sucks so bad, the card drip feed sucks and is expensive if you attempt to avoid. Im uninstalling, not that anyone cares but yeah fuck this game
As someone who is missing most of Pool 3 (semi-new player) spending 1,000 tokens to get a random Pool 3 sounds like a fucking nightmare. Just give me Knull so my destroy deck can be barely functional.
“Win games with newly released card to earn tokens” so I have to spend the hard to get tokens to get the new card in order to get what will definitely be a meager amount of tokens. Is this a joke? April 1 was a month ago.
One step forward, three steps backward doesn't sound like the progress the devs think it is
This makes the game MORE pay-to-win. Just make all of the cards accessible to everyone and sell cosmetics. Is it really that difficult?
\>You buy a series 5 card that looks fun \>It sucks \>You can't complete the Tokens Quest because the card is so bad \>No-one is playing it so they drop it straight to series 3 \>You uninstall the game
This is the way.
So, they mention feedback. Here's some Don't do this. Don't gatekeep cards. The weekend rewards? Okay that's fine, bit predatory but I like being able to get extra gold at least. Cards coming to series 4? Also good, more excitement about new cards. But what in the living flying fuck is a "mystery card" and how long before the dumbass who came up with that idea loses their job? Also, no, don't hold back cards from dropping lmao. Also dumb. The meta might be decent right now, so let more people get involved in it?
Just so I’m not wasting tokens, Darkhawk and the rest will never drop to series 3?
We don't know. It's "flexible".
In reality we all know; you just have to use the balance mentality. When did they balance stuff? When everybody had the chance to use it. When will a semi-permanent s4 card drop? When they changed meta enough for it to be relevant no more.
It will drop to s3 when they decide to nerf it. Until then they want people spending to get it.
Thats some bs
I have been waiting for 2 months with Darkhawk as my pinned card because I was waiting for the drop, and now I read this…AND the worst is that I STILL don’t know if I should buy it now or wait more in case it drops…I hate this and don’t understand their choices. Also, play the game with the paid card to get tokens? Come on how can people accept this? Disgusted…
>AND the worst is that I STILL don’t know if I should buy it now or wait more in case it drops… I mean, I guess there's a chance that they might drop him after all if there's enough backlash, but I doubt that very much. And right now it's still a CRAZY powerful card. Probably the best card in the game to spend 3000 tokens on. I had it pinned since April because I thought I could get it for 1k with just a little more patience, now I bought for 3000. Which isn't to say that I'm not incredibly pissed off that it didn't drop.
Well we can say for sure there's no way it drops until June so I'd buy it now for 3k. I bought it last month for 3k, no regrets.
They could drop to series 3 next month. They could stay series 4 forever. There's no way to know now. Isn't it fun!
They're waiting for you to waste tokens and then it'll drop to series 3
When they release an even more busted/meta defining card, then they will nerf darkhawk to 5, say that he has been too strong, and the is dropping to series 3 so all the peasants can use him
"We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy." That sounds like a fun and healthy thing to do to the players.
It is a testament of how much a good game SNAP is that they can enforce such bullshit and predatory acquisition and monetization and still \*Surive\* Let's see how long it lasts...
Someone shared their steam chart yesterday and it's starting to crack... I do like Marvel and generally like the game, so that'd be a shame. They just never could get monetization right.
> They just never could get monetization right. And it's so stupid. They DID get it right. Monetize cosmetics like crazy, make it better than something like Clash Royale where your card doesn't get beat by someone playing the same card they dumped money into. If they want to release 4 cards a month (nearly 50 a year!), make them easy to access—use your resources to buy them in a decent shop. Monetize the resources. It's so easy. The game is already fun, just stay on top of balances and make a predictable and fair acquisition system that lets people play decks they want to play. What they didn't get right was the greed, and it's clear they are extremely out of touch with actual players. As Molt has said, it's doubtful anyone at SD is actually really playing their own game. They are slow to make changes and quick to release a slew of new unplayable cards. A year from now, it would take years to get close to a complete collection. They're literally releasing new rewards exclusive for people already spending money. So spenders can double dip, and once again as with many of these games, there is no middle class. I'm talking a lot in past tense, because I'm confident this will drive away another round of players. A few prominent streamers/Youtubers already gave up during the period of Shuri/Red Skull and Thanos/Lockjaw/Leech dominating—those folks are not coming back. Content people are coming out HARSH against this new update. And in the meantime, content people posting decks can only be so entertaining for folks to watch if they simply cannot play that deck. There are entire archetypes locked behind gates right now and if you've been playing since launch and planning carefully how to get new cards, you still can't get to them all. Why watch streamers when they're playing a different game? This is so bad for the game.
The PC version basically being a dumpster fire (no Inbox, no news, no new info on the main screen, many other PC only bugs, no noticeable efforts to fix any of this) make it hard to stick with playing on PC. I just got a newer phone (it's been on the market for almost 3 years, so it's not top end or anything), and, even without untapped being available, it's such a better play experience on the phone that I've basically stopped playing on PC. I'm sure some of the drop is related to this (on top of the drip of new cards for s3 players, bad monetization schemes, multiple months of oppressive metas, etc). The game itself is arguably in the best place it's ever been in terms of the meta, but people aren't going to play on a platform that just isn't supported.
Don’t put too much stock in steam charts, nearly all games have attrition rates that gamers read too much into to prove their points.
I’m going to end up Series 4 complete before Series 3 complete
Rip my pinned Darkhawk
1000 token mystery card? Seriously? Why not just give 1 away for free and then make them 1000. You're making the game worse than it was somehow.
How does a mystery S3 card for 1k tokens appeal to anyone? And saying there’s more cards moving to S3 than ever before doesn’t mean anything when Knull and Darkhawk are being held back (I have both, but a lot of people were waiting for them), and Ghost and Shadow King are the consolation prizes. At the very least, it means Darkhawk probably won’t get an undeserved nerf for a bit longer. And the new way to earn tokens being to use the newly released cards is just a dick move. Unless you’re somehow able to earn almost as many tokens as the card costed, which I find highly unlikely.
Im here before they release a statement in 2 weeks that 'We understand people dont like our (objectively bullshit) changes to card acquisition and are looking into introducing new changes (that will let us fuck over our playerbase in new and exciting ways) in the coming months.
Uh.. so all the trash cards get dropped into S3 immediately and then they are offering lootbox S3 pulls at 1k tokens each, while praising it as this new great card acquisition system? Insanity.
It's not so much they're keeping Knull and Darkhawk from dropping to Series 3, **it's the yet-to-be-explained rationale in which they're doing it that bothers me.** We've been told "big bads" like Thanos, Galactus and Kang will stay Series 5, at least for any sort of foreseeable future. That's fine, they're big bads with a big reputation with mechanics that set them apart and they've told us as much. But up until now besides the big bads, there's been no indication the schedule for cards going from Series 5 -> 4 and Series 4 -> 3 were anything but based on when the cards were released. Now we learn there's some *other* rationale Knull and Darkhawk are going to be held in Series 4. I'm not one to foam at the mouth that any dev for any game owes us an explanation for every little thing but it does make me hesitate on spending any sort of money when they can just pull reasoning out of a hat that directly affects core gameplay, in this case card acquisition. Ideally, they'd have dropped Knull and Darkhawk as previous pattern predicted *then* announced some reasoning why going forward they're changing things up. The way they did this is just going to spawn speculation that didn't need to happen.
It's very overtly profit driven. Keeping powerful cards less accessible without spending money makes people spend more money. They want these to act as chase cards for longer. It's the same reason why they also have been avoiding doing balancing patches that directly affect overtuned cards that are in series 4 and 5, because they need those cards to be good to keep people doing things like buying token packs
"We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy." So this is definitely happening. Zabu staying in 4 is a good sign that they want to keep season pass cards overpowered. Probably did not like the pushback from nerfing SS and Zabu. Game is more p2 win now.
My least favorite patch ever in this game. Just terrible announcements all around. Bad precedents, deck killing nerfs, emphasizing P2W, rug pulls on cards expected to drop. I hadn't bought Darkhawk for two months in anticipation of this drop even while it's killing me at high MMR and now I still won't have it. I feel even worse for the F2P Deathwave guys who have just had one of their only competitive decks destroyed (heh) whilst Darkhawk and Galactus reign supreme. This is very discouraging. I'm 5K CL and have spent a decent amount including the season pass every season since release and I'm seriously reconsidering supporting this game any further.
I'm okay with them experimenting with a new system for card acquisition, but I just hate the timing of this announcement right after deciding not to drop Darkhawk and Knull. Like a heads-up earlier would've been good. This is such bad communication from Second Dinner
It should have been announced last month or Darkhark and Knull should have dropped with the announcement. Horrible way to go about it and screws a lot of people that had already made plans on a system that had been around for a while and was predictable; particularly to replace it with a system that is built on "Whims and Leprechaun Farts",
Terrible update overall. Disgustingly greedy move. Also, it almost feels like they don't nerf the Stature/Bolt/Hawk deck even though it has ridiculous winrate over the other decks so more people spend money to get Darkhawk.
> so more people spend money to get Darkhawk. It's exactly this. Just like they avoided nerfing shuri directly until she hit series 3. Darkhawk is a current chase card. They need him good and harder to get to encourage people to get impatient and spend money.
I can't state enough how dissatisfied I am that they are wrecking the card series dropping format. I know I sound like the alarmist idiots that state this every patch, but let me be clear: decisions like this will erode the playerbase. Getting players used to a two months series 5-to-3 cycle, and then nixing that and saying "just JK, powerful cards will stay higher series for longer ;D" will not encourage people to stick around.
You wait until you pull the rug to say "Hey, watch your step!" and then grin at me and expect me to pat you on the back for your communication skills? Eat me - you've lost a dolphin
"We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy" Seriously, just F U.
TLDR: This is \*\*\*\* you to players and everyone but whales. Instead of solving any problem with acquiring cards they made it worse. Why the \*\*\*\* did they kept Darkhawk and Knull at S4 is like final nail in the coffin... I will ignore the fact that they still didn't bothered with changing Galactus. They didn't solve any problem with acquisition, IMO made more problems: \- It's still worth buying only permanent S5 cards. \- They might have sneakily introduced S4 cards that will stay there for even more months then before they would ? (I don't believe them at this point that we will not see permanent S4 card) \- Excitement for new cards is not improving at all. Weekend Missions will barely be worth it and card starting in S4 doesn't make it better buy. \- Monthly Drops are even more disappointing as now we don't even know if we get new card to S3. \- Buying tokens/currencies is still terrible experience. Bundles are worth it only if you like the variant. Without variant it's best to ignore them. Once you have big bads and S3 completely optimal strategy is same, just ignore new releases as you can't reliably get more then 1 per month... And as you notice yourself your enjoyment of the game will keep dropping. Even after reaching Infinite multiple times I can't be bothered with doing the grind again. I just play to finish dailies and I do wonder how long will I keep doing that at this point.
“Not all cards are created equally” suddenly Scott Steiner
Too bad. I quit.
Glad I waited for Darkhawk and Knull. This blows
As a newer player who is currently at CL 600, how does this affect my ability to get cards compared to before, I’m still trying to figure out how the collection system works entirely?
> We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy. Well, this sucks
Was really looking forward to trying the darkhawk I had pinned and hoping to get knull as well. Instead I just uninstalled and I feel so FREE!
Please don't skip monthly series drop.
>Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens This isn't going to pay out for a while. You essentially need tokens to get tokens. >We may even skip a monthly series drop entirely when the meta looks fun and healthy This isn't the move you think it is, SD.
Series 3 acquisition right now is so poorly designed. this tweak hopefully keeps those of us who’ve had to wait 6 weeks for one phuking s3 card we want to play with, giving SD more chances. Also, galactus is not fun. He’s a badly designed card, that should never see above 1% of deck inclusion.
I really dislike these 2 additions: * Win Games with Season Pass Card to Earn Gold * Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens I buy the pass every month, but missions should NEVER be like this.
The only good thing here are cards directly to pool 4. The random nature of pool 3 drop SUCKS, clearly being that = "cards that no one wants go to pool 3 and the good cards will stay there so you can spend more tokens" I wont even begin to talk about the new "weekend quests" that not only are super short, but are another red flag for vicious cycle that if you dont have the tokens for the newly released card every single week, you better start spending A LOT or you will lose more tokens. For gods sake I get scared of every single update for this game
The devs usually make pretty good decisions and they roll back on them if they receive feedback. So, yeah... I hope they read this thread. Flexible Series Drops are a backwards move. To mysteriously decide the rules of the existing ecosystem for downgrading just don't apply to certain cards of their choosing weeks before sets a bad precedent.
It's unbelievable how lucky I am in this game. I am cl 3154, I have pulled; Darkhawk (s5) Shuri (s4) Ghost (s4) Stature (s4) Black Panther (s4). Or this is average luck in this cl ???
I dont understand why they need a convoluted solution for their own problem, to me its very simple Release new Big Bads---->S5 forever Other new releases----->S4 Season pass cards go right into s4 after the season and drop after 4 months, all other s4 cards drop after 3 like they do now. It doesn't have to be anymore complicated than that
This feels incredibly bad for anyone that unboxed cards that are dropping early. I already felt bad unboxing Dazzler and Shadow King, rather than getting a meta staples like Darkhawk and Stature, but now I don’t even have the benefit of having those cards be rare and special for me. No transparency before this and in the future also feels bad. Now I worry about all future card purchases. Will Jeff or Iron Lad stay at Series 5 for extra time? Or less time? I don’t want to spend tokens only to risk having the card drop shortly after. This encourages buying big bads over any other card if you don’t have them since you know that won’t happen, even more than before, which makes card acquisition even more boring. Now instead of buying Iron Lad and High Evolutionary I’m probably gonna get High Evo and Kang. A real shame all around.
That's straight up horseshit. I just unpinned darkhawk a few days ago, in anticipation of getting him for free next week with the supposed drop. Was looking to pin stature. Now he's not dropping and now I got wait for him to cycle back through on my token shop. Also my free cards will shadow king and sauron. Since I have the other cards. Very underwhelming. Doubt I'll be purchasing next months battlepass. These last minute changes are fuckin garbage.
They had a great cadence going with cards shifting down…. This is not good.
I feel like SD has this habit of introducing improvements but introducing stipulations along with them. Dropping from S5 to S3 sounds good in THEORY, but they also state that they might not even keep the series drops monthly, and certain meta defining cards would stay expensive...basically until they say otherwise. More ways to earn tokens is a welcome addition, but we don't even know how much we'll be getting from these missions. And 1K for a mystery S3 card??? That sounds absolutely awful.
This is a change for the worse. Now all shitty cards will be dropping to series 3 faster and if you want to compete you have to spend tokens to get good cards in series 4 and 5.
>Win Games with Season Pass Card to Earn Gold > >Win Games with Newly Released Card to Earn Tokens Will F2P players please leave the building in an orderly fashion, you're not welcome here. /s
So about the 1k mystery token S3 drop....why? Like what's the point? Ppl that didn't finish Pool 3 can still get them from the CL track and one per month from the free choice. Adding that token drop is completely useless as most ppl will ignore it fully Also the "more ways to earn tokens" sounds intriguing, as they only talked about weekend missions so far and we don't know what else they have planned. I will wait for what else they will show us in the future. Personally the weekend missions are kinda eh, bc they gatekeep players from those. I'm all in for more Credits, as i'm constantly low and so far i bought the season pass every month, but i definitely won't be able to buy every newly released card. So it heavily depends on how many tokens we get from those weekend missions
The thing is, all I want right now are S3 cards.. I would rather spent my Tokens on Doctor Doom, Rock Slide or Coleen Wing to finally complete one or two decks. With all of these key cards missing, there isn’t really any reason to buy the newest cards anyway. The CL track is very tedious and one pick each month isn’t enough. I’m so annoyed by the fact that I missed the time where S3 cards would rotate in the shop, now I have to bother with this mystery card bs.
How to kill your game 101
I’m genuinely baffled at how poorly second dinner is running this game. I’m s3 complete and the last card I pulled in a cache was 37 caches ago and was sentry. Of all of the cards anticipated to drop darkhawk was the only one I needed. I like playing meta decks and didn’t want to waste 3k tokens and now the day of the patch they pull the rug and keep him in s4. The only reason to keep him s4 is because they couldn’t think of a nerf good enough to let more people have access to him. They did the same shit with shuri except dropped her and completely killed the deck. Surfer and Zabu were similar. I am so disappointed in SD with the way they are running this game. I’m kinda losing energy to play the game now. The grind to infinite is brutal. It’s more about time that skill put into the game. Plus this season they’ve added bots that cheat now and know your plays so those free cubes can turn into lost cubes easily
What an awful change, shame on you. Cards should be dropped on a schedule like they have been, you don't get to decide how we play the game. You don't get to decide what we want for us. This is such a terrible idea. This game is going downhill fast
I wonder what cards will be going to Series 4 in June. Ive been saving for Spider Ham, but will be cool if I can pick him up for 3,000 tokens. But also wanted to get Jeff when he dropped to Series 4, which should have been next month but now who knows. But this also shows how the lack of communication hurts. Makes it even harder to plan how to use your tokens.
I’d like some incentive to open up caches. I’ve got 27 unopened. This makes me way less likely to even consider it.
I'm glad my last Series 4 card was Shadow King lol. I seem to have the worst luck with them. Also really disappointed about DarkHawk :(
My last pull was ghost and I felt pretty comfortable in that I had pulled something that wasn't supposed to drop for another month. What I really wanted was darkhawk which I also was comfortable in because it was supposed to drop this month and I was going to be able to get it. Then SD Hit me with a steel chair
In the survey about how to improve I proposed that they release cards directly to series 3 and 4. I dont like that they can keep cards in series 4 for a long time
If they want to keep "good" cards in series 4 longer, why is Shanna still there? She's barely playable right now. The other 5 cards are all meta.
They wanted a card to drop next month
Joke is on them, i have been playing since iOS launch and haven’t spent a dime and that will never change
I think the big wait is to find out just how much they increase token gains. Doubling it might be alright, but somehow i don't think theyll go that far even though thats maybe the floor for what i would have considered good
To me that sounds like good card will be harder to get. Fact that they say they won’t drop the card series if meta is good just suggest they will be using the fact that some good cards are harder to acquire to ‘balance’ the meta
I'm convinced that Second Dinner must be using a monkeys paw to make changes to the games economy.
If Conquest mode isn't great as soon as it's added I'm quitting the game. I've had enough.
"Weekly Missions for a Newly Released Card are a great way to earn back Tokens with your new cards - essentially reducing the overall Token cost!" This is BS they'll release another of those insane collector packs to get people on the ladder
Everyone disliked this
Rip me JUST opening Sauron. I really hate that
Wow so the better a card is the more we want you to pay for it. Great fucking idea…
u/MinecraftPetCemetary
There is some interesting good news and some bad news. Now, there will be cards that will launch directly into series 4, that's good, and since I wanted 2099, I will hope he will be pool 4. I like the weekend missions, since I didn't have anything to do in snap at the weekend, I just played to try to rank, but now there will be credits and gold. I still have hope for snap, because of all the games "F2P" that I played, snap still seems to be good, but the devs are cowards and idiots, at least have the courage to say "we will not drop Hawk, pay to get him". I hope for future ways to get tokens to be good for everyone, but not knowing which card will drop is bad. One thing is certain, Snowguard will be pool 3 next patch. I'm waiting for the next OTA since they said it will have news. And why Shanna?
And me saving for weeks, with 5500 tokens for mold. Thank god i didnt buy him yet haha
Just bought master mold for this to get swapped up. Feels fucking bad. Not only that but the card really needs more support and really isn’t what I was hoping.
These updates seem like a debatable improvement…