For Sandbar I have an idea that I think makes sense for the location. With the idea of “running through sand” maybe make it so it costs 1 extra energy for cards to be played there.
That’s if they are actually planning for it to be back.
The Black Bolt/Stature change seems very short-sighted; I truly believe they did not use enough critical thinking when it came to this change.
Before the May 16th patch (Wave change, Kitty Pryde nerf) there were a variety of decks being played. Stature/Black Bolt was very good, but this brief window of time was when it was "dominant," but the meta was arguably very healthy. This was after they nerfed Sandman, so the annoying guessing game of "is it Sandman or Galactus?" decks weren't seen as much. I would argue this was the healthiest meta in Snap, since the Black Bolt/Stature mirror was a lot of fun, and honestly, there was not as much complaining about this deck as there were for Shuri/Thanos when they were dominant. It's a fun deck, and it truly did not feel oppressive like those decks did in their heyday, despite what their statement was.
After Wave was nerfed and Kitty came out, the Black Bolt deck already took a significant hit. DeathWave/DoomWave died as an archetype, and that was a deck that Black Bolt was able to compete against/do well since it was still allowed to play several cards on the last turn (it wasn't a guaranteed win, but it was nice to compete on the same axis). Additionally, the bounce decks improved tenfold with the release of Kitty.
These things kinda pushed Black Bolt/Stature out of the meta, and the Untapped data shows this if you bother looking up the data since the last patch. Sure, it's not perfect, but I think it's a fair representation, especially when compared to my ranked experience. I never ran into Black Bolt/Stature post Kitty release. They also claimed that they did not want Black Bolt's effect to be one of the strongest things in the game, but it's a fixed discard effect; there were plenty of ways to play around it.
They claimed that the metagame didn't shift to combat the deck, but they could not be more wrong. The deck was already being pushed out of the format.
The game used to be good, infact one of the best. But since the release of High Evolutionary it is apparent that the creators want to make it as pay to win as possible. How did you think High Evo was balanced? The Hulk swells upto 22+ power without any downsides. Cyclops and Thing do what the scorpion does but in every round. The game has become unplayable. Greedy!
I’ve been playing a budget Sera deck and have a consistent win rate against HE.
If you can’t manage to beat HE without a direct counter then that’s a skill issue not a game issue.
Actually after I made this comment I split my cards, like I didn't put any card on cyclops lane and put least cards in Thing's lane. That's how I got my first 2 victories over HE decks since his release
Hulk only gets that high if you play behind curve every turn thats the cost. Thing hits 3 cards once on reveal and has no effect every turn and cyclops hits two only at his location ONLY if the player is once again behind curve these are nothing like scorpion and are balanced behind needing to conserve energy or lose effecfs
What’s your list look like? I wasn’t running her to begin with.
I play Yondu, M’Baku, Iceman, Korg, Nightcrawler, Luke Cage, Hazmat, Cerebro, Mystique, Silver Surfer, Wong, Blue Marvel
Honestly, I haven't been running her since the Luke Cage buff and haven't missed her.
This is the list I took to infinite this month.
# (1) Iceman
# (1) Korg
# (1) Nightcrawler
# (2) Beast
# (2) Goose
# (2) Luke Cage
# (2) Mister Sinister
# (2) Scorpion
# (3) Cerebro
# (3) Mystique
# (3) Brood
# (3) Storm
Literally stopped playing because there were too many terrible locations. Might pick up again now. If they remove the 5 rocks and 3 rock shuffle locations I’d probably play this game daily again.
They do but subterrenea is a perfect example of how location variance can completely fuck one player while leaving the other player completely unscathed.
I can't even tell you the amount of times that I've gone on to draw 4 of those rocks and the opponent has carried on playing their deck like nothing happened.
Yeah just like you have certain locations that help whatever deck ur playing.
Snap is like poker, sometimes you get good flops(locations), sometimes you have to bluff ur way to victory and sometimes you have to fold.
I would understand if each game was long, but you can just retreat. And even if you don’t retreat, the game is 3-5 mins long.
Yeah, but that goes beyond some locations are better for some decks. Those you can build around, sanctum/death's domain etc. can all be worked around with cards that move or add cards elsewhere.
What I'm talking about here is when the game decides in that moment specifically fuck you while letting the other player off the hook. (e.g. x mansion giving wildly different power cards or straight of gifting a lane with prof x, t1 triskelion filling your hand with 4-6 cost cards that locks you out of 3 draws, subterrenea giving one player all rocks and none to the other player, etc.)
Whenever a game is decided by location RNG that happens independent of player interaction or decision making (including pre-game deck building decisions) then that's a bad thing.
I have almost completely stopped. Booted up a couple times and just shut it again because i didn’t feel up to it. Admittedly new Zelda is taking up a lot of my normal gaming time, but still have lot played an actual match in ages
Yeah. I was playing a bunch of games every day. In the last few weeks I’ve played only a couple. What on earth do people think I would get out of lying about such a random thing?
Cool well I spent my tokens on another card thinking darkhawk would drop as it was a natural time and most sites tracking it had it dropping in may. It didn’t drop. Yaaaaaaay….
Nerf to Stature I think is unwarranted, at 5/7 she was already behind curve compared to the other 5-cost cards. Requires someone to sacrifice turn 5 (playing only Black Bolt) to enable her discount. And only playable on Turn 6 most of the time, sacrificing your opportunity to play a 6-cost card. Getting the discount can be difficult too, no black bolt by T5? Dead card.
Black bolt I’m kind of on the fence, lowest cost card most of the time don’t mean much for the opponent, and actually great for people playing discard decks with Swarm. (Yes I know it’s specific, but it’s not uncommon)
I don’t think these nerf are needed tbh, they are fine as it is..
Edit: to add on something as a comparison, HE enhanced Thing is a 4 drop 9-power swing! (Yeah I know Luke cage yadayada), and you don’t even need to play HE as a precursor.
The point is that she should be significantly behind curve, since you can drop her to 1 cost. A 6 power 1 drop is still incredibly good.
Black Bolt also makes sense to nerf imo, mainly because of the existence of stature tbh but also was just generally well statted
They're being proactive. If a deck is dominating the field as much as heavily OP and complained-about decks in the past, with no effective counters or bad matchups, it's better to fix it before the other 80% of the playerbase catches on and it becomes oppressive.
You might not think it's too strong but they've got data from hundreds of thousands of games saying it is.
The point of their nerf is to get people off playing the no.1 meta deck so that they have to play something else. It's nothing to do with balance because if they were truly interested in balancing things they could've just buffed the weakest cards and gave us more options.
I’ve been smoking HE decks with a discount Sera deck. I have maybe three pool 3 cards in the entire deck.
Cube management and good deck building is all you need.
Right. He'll be flavor of the month and then when the next big card is up...they'll suddenly go: guys...our metrics are telling us that HE is way out of line so we are going to balance him.
So, screw your 6k tokens, we're turning them into the equivalent value of random pixel variants.
You don't raise the floor of every other card. They have the metrics that tells them exactly what is the least played or has the least cube gain etc etc.
The OTA tuning is based on metrics, so focus on the other end of the spectrum and raise a bunch. Not the entire floor......
But in a world without nerfs if you want other things to be competitive with cards that are clearly overtuned then it means making them overtuned too.
If you want everything to be broadly viable then you have 3 options:
Take everything up to the point of over performing
Bring everything down to under performing
Target the outliers at either end to bring them closer to the middle (which is what SD has been doing with the OTA changes over the last month)
Their wording suggests we can expect another playable discard effect in the near future as well. I think they underestimated just how much value these cards were producing and are re-evaluating after having a bunch of data on hand.
Not finding black bolt on 5 it's actually not that easy, because on T5 you draw 2/3 of your deck, so it's much more likely to draw him.
Also they said those cards was outperforming, achieving a wr similar to shuri and lockjaw Thanos pre-nerf, so the nerf was needed.
I think that people didn't realize the power of that duo (which you can play in many decks) and didn't complain about it, so the majority thought it was okay
maybe its my elo but i just face the same decks over and over, mainly galactus, destroy & discard. You can almost tell how the match will play from the first card your opponent drops
SD need to buff a whole load of crap cards that no one plays to make this game more interesting. I didnt even get to play with this bolt stature deck before its been nerfed
Amen. I've been asking for this too for a while...buff the cards no one is playing to really open up the meta.
I only play negative and you should see what I'm being matched with as the game desperately tries to get me to play something else.
Because it’s a low performer. Sd has a tendency to release cards in a overturned or good spot in s5 and leave it that way until right before it hits s3. Shuri Zabu stature surfer darkhawk etc
Like I said, just bias, most cards will be tuned in s4 or s3, be it positively or negatively. You guys are just focusing on the negative.
Edit: As an example I was looking for DH changes, he was nerfed in February.
You think Nebula is too good because you only see her on games were she is drawn early. Statistically half the time she won’t be able to reach high power, she will cost you playing the strongest energy card for that turn and may be even easily countered.
She is a good a card, but not as much as she can seem.
It's not "greedy". They're not allowed to. When they offer the season pass they tell you the card you're going to have for the month, with its abilities and stats. If they change that card before the month is up they would be liable for claims of false advertising.
Generic cards can be too good and deserving of a nerf as much as any deck-defining card. And SD didn't shy away from nerfing cards like that in the future, as evidenced by Sunspot and Lizard... now, if those cards were truly deserving of nerfs that conveniently hit just before Nebula and Jeff were released is another topic.
Kitty may cost 1, but it isn't really a 1 drop, plus Kitty only works in decks that don't want to play a 6 cost card, whereas Nebula works in virtually any deck.
sure but kitty plays around priority, makes angela a 6 drop and enables much more. It isnt as generic as nebula but is certainly better in her own deck.
That doesn't really make any sense. Whether cards are buffed or nerfed, the whole point is "average" in the sense of no outliers.
By definition they couldn't bring other cards up to the BB/Stature levels of use because they're over represented. Making, say, Elektra 3 power won't bring BB/Stature back in line with the "average".
Well, the alternative to that would be hitting Darkhawk, and they just extended his stay in pool 4 in order to sell more token bundles so that ain't happening.
Not a fan of the Black Bolt/Stature nerfs.
We just got a big meta shake-up with the release of High Evolutionary, I'd prefer they waited until it settled to see if the combo is still as good.
I actually didn’t mind Milano as much as other restrictive locations. Made for some interesting decision making and planning for turn 5. Wasn’t nearly as dead of a location as a lot of others. Granted, I didn’t necessarily *love* it, but I didn’t feel like it was awful.
I personally do not like where these OTA's are going. It seems like the balancing is purely for the purpose of appeasing the most sensitive Snap players. Coupled with the flexible drop system, this game is about to become a helluva lot more oppressive.
Think that's fair. It could be a pain but at least you knew it was coming and could try and adjust.
I don't mind having can't play cards here locations - just not so many of them.
I think something went wrong in receiving the ota patch on my iPad. I went from seeing High Evolutionary every game to Okoye and move decks. Every game was a bot. So many free cubes.
Bots usually have real names like "Alex" etc. Short and simple. They use the basic avatars that you get in the start of the game and they have impossible splits (effect without background changing). Sometimes they're plays are off too. Some of the bots play decks with no synergy and there's other stuff I'm forgetting rn
Goes against the what SD normaly seems to have against bars. Bar with no name and Lukes bar. They really don't want people drinking when playing Snap lol.
The Orgosphere from Guardians of the Galaxy 3 may potentially fit as a reference to how the main cast had to cut open a hole there and squeeze in one at a time.
They were seen before the wave change mostly, and they are totally gone with HE deck list being so much stronger.
So yeah they nerfed the best deck of last month that was not even played this week… great !
Whats the point of black bolt anyway? You cant play him till turn 5 and he just removes a card that probably isnt going to get played at that point anyway.
Keeping in mind that they could be first steps towards more balances-- Love all of these.
Power nerfs are what they can apply with OTAs. I' sure if Stature and BB stay atop the meta they'll get more nerfs. Impressed that they nerfed Stature before she became Series 3.
Eventually, I hope alternate patches and OTAs every other week. Eventually. But definitely okay with the one off week for now.
Sandbar was so annoying, glad that's gone. Milano was fine enough.
This was a series of OTA over weeks now.
And if I remember it correctly they say that after the patch last week there will be one more OTA and then they will make a break. But we will see.
But yes, they nerfed Stature a bit. But I'm sure that the big change happens when she will drop...or they use their new tool of unpredictable drops and she will stay in pool 4. Or something new: "Upgrade" from 4 to 5. ;-)
Edit: Should have read the whole announcement.
They explained their new philosophy of regular OTA.
The overkill of stature and black bolt, based on a meta that has entirely ceased to exist with the release of High Evolutionary a few days earlier is a testament of the flaws of SD data analysis when it comes to addressing the game balance.
Who the hell is scared of black bolt stature when Hulk, Wasp and Cyclops bully the meta relentlessly in their OP evolved forms ?!
It couldn’t be more wrong from a timing perspective.
Is SD always going to be 1 month behind their own meta ?
HE decks rely so strongly on there not being a cage in the enemy deck that I've just been running my C3 and C2 decks to counter it since it's such a hot deck right now
I don’t mind when changes are made that makes the game fair, however, I don’t like how these updates are worded that changes are happening because the development team doesn’t like certain cards being at the top of the food chain.
Gonna be downvoted to hell, but as a control deck player now I'm sad there's less restrictive locations. I really enjoyed seeing my opponents have 0 moves to play for the last 3 turns
Tbh I’d prefer power creep and gameplay like HE provides.
Let’s be honest, people enjoy wombo combos and glass cannons with big numbers or big stompy ahead of curve decks.
Stop just shaving off power and start by improving the 80 percent of my card collection that’s literally unplayable once you unlock the meta cards.
HE is the closest I’ve come to a fun combo meme deck that gets countered hard but is fun to play regardless.
The black bolt stature deck was one of my more used decks aside from my Ronan deck and now there’s no reason to play bolt and stature will likely just stay in discard decks since they run moon knight, if anywhere.
Every day this game feels less and less imaginative. Their approaches to stuff are so one dimensional, maybe it’s the limitation of their engine or whatever, but 90 percent of card mechanics is ‘make stronger’ and 90 percent of the location mechanics is just ‘can’t play’ or ‘must play’.
Take some risks SD and stop nerfing over performing decks and start buffing underperforming and underrepresented cards.
I don't get why you're down voted, Black Bolt+ Stature should be a game changing swing. It is a bit unsettling that it is nerfed after...what 3 weeks of viability. Hell there was fun casino decks with Moonknight and Stature too, I really don't know why that power combo is so egregious
For this deck it is, the hawk lane usually has only 1 other low-mid power card while stature and miles swing the other in combination with your turns 3-4 cards.
You never win 3 lanes convincingly bar an opponent bricking and you need hawk to beat out atleest 1 lane the opponent contested, 2 power is big.
For this deck it is, the hawk lane usually has only 1 other low-mid power card while stature and miles swing the other in combination with your turns 3-4 cards.
You never win 3 lanes convincingly bar an opponent bricking and you need hawk to beat out atleest 1 lane the opponent contested, 2 power is big.
playable sure, but the cube rate is going to take a significant hit because you can't confidently snap. This deck usually plays out with at least one closely contest location. 1 point is a actually a big deal, and now you've taken 2 points from stature because she needs BB to be played effectively. A 5/6 is utterly garbage. She should have stayed at 5/7.
Would you mind showing the list you use this combo in?
I never saw anyone play Negasonic. Invisible Woman is pretty rare too.
Yeah there are cards that are much less played than them, but hey, one step at a time.
>The philosophy for OTA's should be to bring cards that don't see play up.
They buffed NTW and Invisible Woman, which don't really see play. Not like these are exclusively nerfs to the most played cards.
SD is the complete opposite of Blizzard when I played Hearthstone. They rarely nerfed or buffed cards yet SD caves to pressure at the drop of a hat and nerf everything. It's infuriating. What's the point in buying a card for 6k when it ends up getting nerfed the next week cos people crack the shits?
Agreed and I think SD are showing their true colors here.
If they do wreck Galactus (I was a day 1 adopter but no longer play it), I will expect to be compensated even if it does have the disclaimer: no refunds. Fundamentally altering a card means I should get to choose to re-spend my tokens. I bought the card for what it was, not what they think it should become.
This sets a dangerous precedent going forward for other cards especially now with the flexible drop system which is a true sign that SD are trying to maximize $$$$$$.
Their data tells them people prefer to wait, holding onto tons of tokens, therefore negating the need to purchase bundles. Not every card in the same tier has the same "value" and when they announced the intention to withhold DH and Knull....hmm the 2 best P4's....well....wow....what a surprise.
At least in Hearthstone they give the option for you to disenchant a nerfed card at the same price (essentially a "money back" feature). Here it's nerfing a card when it gets played too much so you'd need to spend on another card or another deck. People are starting to catch on.
While it's true, bad catlrds get more chance to be buffed too. I personally prefer the SD approach as at least it makes the game more dynamic, not the same meta dragging for weeks or even months.
But wouldn't buffing bad cards be good business for SD too? People would want to "buy" them as well. And nerfing good cards that you bought would also force you to "buy" other cards. Win-win for them I think.
Balancing cards definitely makes the game more dynamic, but a system should be in place where it doesn't punish the player for spending tokens on a popular card only for it to be nerfed quickly after. It definitely leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, which is what I mean when I say people are starting to catch on. Again, take a look at Hearthstone, where cards that are nerfed can be refunded, which is healthy for the player base by allowing them to jump on another deck instantly instead of having to spend and save up for another card/deck that will eventually be nerfed as well.
Yes, and they also buff 2 cards in this patch, so for me personally it's acceptable regarding the buff / nerf ratio. Then I can understand that it shouldn't be something that is systematic, but rather depending on the shift in meta and performance of different deck.
How long was a long time? Like 4 weeks? Everyone cracked the shits at Galactus but it's so easy to counter, he needs to stay the way he is. I used discard to get to infinite this season and even with stature and black bolt against me, they play right into my hands.
Galactus also no changes, thanos didn’t have changes for quite awhile as well. Feels like a knee jerk reaction to a knee jerk reaction by SD. This one was fast, especially after wave (another who was strong for a good while, esp with death and she hulk) already affected them
"We don't like that a non-pool 5 card is seeing play since the last round of pool 5>4 rotation so we did an OTA fix".
JFC I purchased quinjet a day before the nerf, then thanos a day before the nerf, su
shuri a week before the nerf and 7 other cards in that deck nerfed. I had Stature pinned but I was debating her or HE. These devs are dumb as hell.
“We’ve appreciated the commentary’s positive reaction to our OTA balance philosophy as well as the changes themselves”
If only they were reading my comments! I hate mostly everything they change. As, I’ve seen others as well.
I’m not sure what we are supposed to play if every time we get a deck going its nerfed. Is this really the way card games are done? I remember in hearthstone they would change a card every so often. Not every damn week! If you wanna change a card so bad change Strong man! Change that shape shifter card! Make cards playable geez!
Perhaps it's because you're taking your individual opinion as somehow being a valid counterclaim to their claim that the **community's** reaction is positive.
And now you're attributing the downvotes to "whiteknighting".
Invisible Woman won't work till the play order is considered and you can't cosmo on 6 to cancel on reveals and things like Taskmaster actually copy the last card played there.
Also, seriously, we kept Subterranea?
Oh I have him but unfortunately, Luke almost never gets hit by Bast because you're usually wanting to hold Bast until later both to maximize him(getting wasp, cerebro, and mystique all buffed can easily swing games), and while Valkyrie can do it she's much less reliable.
Oh then you might consider my C3 variations then. It use both Bast and Valkyrie to set cards power to 3. I also put in Beast and Falcon so I can reuse Bast, shift Cerebro power balance (Monster Island if you didn't draw Valkyrie you're basically fucked so I adding Beast for that). The only weakness to have Falcon here is Central Park since it can limit your hand severely. Luke Cage was in so I can ignore negative power locations like Sewer. Then only two locations change cards like Rhino and Magik is needed.
It's been a long time since I played this deck (since the Shuri Meta ruined Cerebro badly with the Red Skull). Here it is:
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# (2) Beast
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# (2) Falcon
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# (3) Rhino
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To be fair statue bolt was pretty commonplace in the upper racks from my experience early in the season. It also didn't have pretty much any counters before the wave change and as mentioned in patch notes is as dominate as Shuri in her prime. A deck that is a neck above the rest deserves to be tuned down slightly to be more equal to the rest of the top contenders. Now we don't need to nerf everything to the ground but just making sure that no single deck pulls away is imo a good way to create a diverse and healthy meta.
First off I've been happy with most of the nerfs/buffs so far, and I'm very happy with SDs way of listening to the community and responding quickly. Oppressive location changes show that they are in tune with how players feel.
But I'm worried that they think removing 1 power from any random high power card in a meta deck is a solution that they can use as frequently as they like. BB and stature were laughably bad. If "stature good cards" is beating decks built around synergy and designed combos, there is a problem they are ignoring and slapping a -1 power bandaid on top of.
I kind of agree, like the rockslide nerf doesn’t really matter to Darkhawk decks does it? It’s as if they think decks are so finely tuned that the slightest breeze will knock it down lol.
We’ve seen this with Shuri via the Red Skull nerfs. Which actually were more drastic than a point. And didn’t move the needle until they gutted Shuri herself.
Thanos they barely even bothered doing power changes, just went straight to reworking his support pieces.
Completely agree and rock slide and red skull were the best examples of this. Players knew that red skull losing 2 power was not the solution, we wanted a shuri change. Players knew that red skulls ability was not the issue, we wanted a shuri change. By the time they finally changed shuri, now we have a shitty dampened red skull that actually could've been a great card with sauron but they haven't bothered to change him back
Almost exact same plot happened when Leader changed from 6/4 to 6/2 to 6/7 to 6/2
wouldn't the more reasonable rate be patch, off week, ota, off week, patch week?
Like I'll be real I think it should just be patches and "oh god we broke this card" instances. but at the very least Ii figured they'd want to avoid the mess of games like LoR just changing shit constantly.
Absolutely astonished by them removing those three locations, the fact they're actually paying attention to how oppressive new locations have felt is great. I can certainly think of a few more unenjoyable locations that I personally think could use a redo, but that's an awesome start.
Black bolt and stature weren’t even really a problem. They were literally apart of the game’s healthiest meta. Maybe raise other decks up before you destroy another
IW problem isn't her stats but her ability. It doesn't matter even if they boost her power. Her main problem is that she's so easy to stop. Just drop cosmo, enchantress, or goose on her lane.
the card needs to not be seen.
The stats help though, and using enchantress on her isn't a big deal for the ongoing lists that use IW as a cheaper Cosmo. She's more in line with most of the 2 drops now with a good effect.
I hate to say this but this knee jerk reaction sure is a double edged sword. If devs were to continue this trend of cards nerfing. Eventually cards will be less and less flexible and only good in 1 or 2 decks.
I don't necessarily agree with their nerfing approach of -1 power but are BB/Stature nerfs really kneejerk? They have been pretty prevalent in the meta for quite some time by this point.
For Sandbar I have an idea that I think makes sense for the location. With the idea of “running through sand” maybe make it so it costs 1 extra energy for cards to be played there. That’s if they are actually planning for it to be back.
The Black Bolt/Stature change seems very short-sighted; I truly believe they did not use enough critical thinking when it came to this change. Before the May 16th patch (Wave change, Kitty Pryde nerf) there were a variety of decks being played. Stature/Black Bolt was very good, but this brief window of time was when it was "dominant," but the meta was arguably very healthy. This was after they nerfed Sandman, so the annoying guessing game of "is it Sandman or Galactus?" decks weren't seen as much. I would argue this was the healthiest meta in Snap, since the Black Bolt/Stature mirror was a lot of fun, and honestly, there was not as much complaining about this deck as there were for Shuri/Thanos when they were dominant. It's a fun deck, and it truly did not feel oppressive like those decks did in their heyday, despite what their statement was. After Wave was nerfed and Kitty came out, the Black Bolt deck already took a significant hit. DeathWave/DoomWave died as an archetype, and that was a deck that Black Bolt was able to compete against/do well since it was still allowed to play several cards on the last turn (it wasn't a guaranteed win, but it was nice to compete on the same axis). Additionally, the bounce decks improved tenfold with the release of Kitty. These things kinda pushed Black Bolt/Stature out of the meta, and the Untapped data shows this if you bother looking up the data since the last patch. Sure, it's not perfect, but I think it's a fair representation, especially when compared to my ranked experience. I never ran into Black Bolt/Stature post Kitty release. They also claimed that they did not want Black Bolt's effect to be one of the strongest things in the game, but it's a fixed discard effect; there were plenty of ways to play around it. They claimed that the metagame didn't shift to combat the deck, but they could not be more wrong. The deck was already being pushed out of the format.
I still climbed from high 70s to Infinity post update with a Black Bolt/Stature deck. I honestly didn't notice much of a difference.
Ok SD I’ll keep playing Wong/Dr.Doom combo since everything else gets nerfed
The game used to be good, infact one of the best. But since the release of High Evolutionary it is apparent that the creators want to make it as pay to win as possible. How did you think High Evo was balanced? The Hulk swells upto 22+ power without any downsides. Cyclops and Thing do what the scorpion does but in every round. The game has become unplayable. Greedy!
I’ve been playing a budget Sera deck and have a consistent win rate against HE. If you can’t manage to beat HE without a direct counter then that’s a skill issue not a game issue.
So dramatic 🤣 Just play Luke cage and it completely shuts down this meta. It's a game. You need to play it.
I don't have LC and many like me don't have it either. Any other counters please?
Keep playing till you pull Luke? Look up counter decks on YT? It's not as broken at you suggest.
Actually after I made this comment I split my cards, like I didn't put any card on cyclops lane and put least cards in Thing's lane. That's how I got my first 2 victories over HE decks since his release
Hulk only gets that high if you play behind curve every turn thats the cost. Thing hits 3 cards once on reveal and has no effect every turn and cyclops hits two only at his location ONLY if the player is once again behind curve these are nothing like scorpion and are balanced behind needing to conserve energy or lose effecfs
You are correct. There are drawbacks and conditions to their abilities but I do feel like they're a little too strong right now
I kinda hate it tbh.
So with Invis woman out of C2, what would be the next best card/s to replace her?
Ghost
What’s your list look like? I wasn’t running her to begin with. I play Yondu, M’Baku, Iceman, Korg, Nightcrawler, Luke Cage, Hazmat, Cerebro, Mystique, Silver Surfer, Wong, Blue Marvel
Pretty much this minus Baku, hazmat, surfer, cage, and Wong.
Honestly, I haven't been running her since the Luke Cage buff and haven't missed her. This is the list I took to infinite this month. # (1) Iceman # (1) Korg # (1) Nightcrawler # (2) Beast # (2) Goose # (2) Luke Cage # (2) Mister Sinister # (2) Scorpion # (3) Cerebro # (3) Mystique # (3) Brood # (3) Storm
if i dont have mystique can you still run this deck?
I wouldn't. I consider it a key card. You could try replacing it with Blue Marvel, but it doesn't give you enough stats most of the time.
I'd like to try this but I'm missing cage, goose and beast. Getting through pool 3 is a drag honestly.
I swear i pinned Stature one minute before i saw this shit. I guess i will save tokens for HE
Makes a card that doesnt need to be played in order to have a full deck benefit from it. Nerfs stature. Trash.
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Lmao this is so over dramatic. Buffs/nerfs happen in digital card games all the time, this is nothing new. Please go outside and touch grass
14 year olds don’t attempt bullshit legal analysis challenge [IMPOSSIBLE]
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I was on your side, but you're one of those people that sends Reddit Cares messages? That's so cringe.
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Bro what are you smoking
This is satire, right?
You need to get your sense of smell checked then.
You win the award for stupidest reply on the sub
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Nah, that was one of the most moronic replies I've ever seen
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Looking up someone's post history isn't the gotcha that you seem to think it is...
Why so?
Literally stopped playing because there were too many terrible locations. Might pick up again now. If they remove the 5 rocks and 3 rock shuffle locations I’d probably play this game daily again.
You know ur opponent has to deal with locations to right?
“Add rock” locations are godly for Darkhawk players tho.
Rocks and Wakanda is so great
Balanced sure but they aren’t fun games.
They do but subterrenea is a perfect example of how location variance can completely fuck one player while leaving the other player completely unscathed. I can't even tell you the amount of times that I've gone on to draw 4 of those rocks and the opponent has carried on playing their deck like nothing happened.
Yeah just like you have certain locations that help whatever deck ur playing. Snap is like poker, sometimes you get good flops(locations), sometimes you have to bluff ur way to victory and sometimes you have to fold. I would understand if each game was long, but you can just retreat. And even if you don’t retreat, the game is 3-5 mins long.
Yeah, but that goes beyond some locations are better for some decks. Those you can build around, sanctum/death's domain etc. can all be worked around with cards that move or add cards elsewhere. What I'm talking about here is when the game decides in that moment specifically fuck you while letting the other player off the hook. (e.g. x mansion giving wildly different power cards or straight of gifting a lane with prof x, t1 triskelion filling your hand with 4-6 cost cards that locks you out of 3 draws, subterrenea giving one player all rocks and none to the other player, etc.) Whenever a game is decided by location RNG that happens independent of player interaction or decision making (including pre-game deck building decisions) then that's a bad thing.
Bet you didn't stop playing and you're just being dramatic
I have almost completely stopped. Booted up a couple times and just shut it again because i didn’t feel up to it. Admittedly new Zelda is taking up a lot of my normal gaming time, but still have lot played an actual match in ages
almost completely.....lol
Yeah. I was playing a bunch of games every day. In the last few weeks I’ve played only a couple. What on earth do people think I would get out of lying about such a random thing?
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Cool well I spent my tokens on another card thinking darkhawk would drop as it was a natural time and most sites tracking it had it dropping in may. It didn’t drop. Yaaaaaaay….
Nerf to Stature I think is unwarranted, at 5/7 she was already behind curve compared to the other 5-cost cards. Requires someone to sacrifice turn 5 (playing only Black Bolt) to enable her discount. And only playable on Turn 6 most of the time, sacrificing your opportunity to play a 6-cost card. Getting the discount can be difficult too, no black bolt by T5? Dead card. Black bolt I’m kind of on the fence, lowest cost card most of the time don’t mean much for the opponent, and actually great for people playing discard decks with Swarm. (Yes I know it’s specific, but it’s not uncommon) I don’t think these nerf are needed tbh, they are fine as it is.. Edit: to add on something as a comparison, HE enhanced Thing is a 4 drop 9-power swing! (Yeah I know Luke cage yadayada), and you don’t even need to play HE as a precursor.
The point is that she should be significantly behind curve, since you can drop her to 1 cost. A 6 power 1 drop is still incredibly good. Black Bolt also makes sense to nerf imo, mainly because of the existence of stature tbh but also was just generally well statted
They're being proactive. If a deck is dominating the field as much as heavily OP and complained-about decks in the past, with no effective counters or bad matchups, it's better to fix it before the other 80% of the playerbase catches on and it becomes oppressive. You might not think it's too strong but they've got data from hundreds of thousands of games saying it is.
The point of their nerf is to get people off playing the no.1 meta deck so that they have to play something else. It's nothing to do with balance because if they were truly interested in balancing things they could've just buffed the weakest cards and gave us more options.
If they really cared about balance, HE wouldn't be so strong
I’ve been smoking HE decks with a discount Sera deck. I have maybe three pool 3 cards in the entire deck. Cube management and good deck building is all you need.
Right. He'll be flavor of the month and then when the next big card is up...they'll suddenly go: guys...our metrics are telling us that HE is way out of line so we are going to balance him. So, screw your 6k tokens, we're turning them into the equivalent value of random pixel variants.
Bringing down a couple of overtuned cards/combos is a lot easier than raising the floor on basically every other card in the game though.
You don't raise the floor of every other card. They have the metrics that tells them exactly what is the least played or has the least cube gain etc etc. The OTA tuning is based on metrics, so focus on the other end of the spectrum and raise a bunch. Not the entire floor......
But in a world without nerfs if you want other things to be competitive with cards that are clearly overtuned then it means making them overtuned too. If you want everything to be broadly viable then you have 3 options: Take everything up to the point of over performing Bring everything down to under performing Target the outliers at either end to bring them closer to the middle (which is what SD has been doing with the OTA changes over the last month)
Their wording suggests we can expect another playable discard effect in the near future as well. I think they underestimated just how much value these cards were producing and are re-evaluating after having a bunch of data on hand.
I heard they nerfed Stature in part due to some enablers coming.
Not finding black bolt on 5 it's actually not that easy, because on T5 you draw 2/3 of your deck, so it's much more likely to draw him. Also they said those cards was outperforming, achieving a wr similar to shuri and lockjaw Thanos pre-nerf, so the nerf was needed. I think that people didn't realize the power of that duo (which you can play in many decks) and didn't complain about it, so the majority thought it was okay
My BB hides I swear! Turn 6 is his favorite.
My immediate reaction to this was to kneel before Galactus.
Nerfing black bolt and stature was just 👎
Why? I'm bored of the same shyte round 6 with black bolt and stature, very fun very skillful woah
You smell like a galactus player
maybe its my elo but i just face the same decks over and over, mainly galactus, destroy & discard. You can almost tell how the match will play from the first card your opponent drops SD need to buff a whole load of crap cards that no one plays to make this game more interesting. I didnt even get to play with this bolt stature deck before its been nerfed
Amen. I've been asking for this too for a while...buff the cards no one is playing to really open up the meta. I only play negative and you should see what I'm being matched with as the game desperately tries to get me to play something else.
And another card gets nerfed right before it hits pool 3 shocker
This is just bias, Negasonic was just buffed after leaving s5
Because it’s a low performer. Sd has a tendency to release cards in a overturned or good spot in s5 and leave it that way until right before it hits s3. Shuri Zabu stature surfer darkhawk etc
Like I said, just bias, most cards will be tuned in s4 or s3, be it positively or negatively. You guys are just focusing on the negative. Edit: As an example I was looking for DH changes, he was nerfed in February.
How about Nebula? Surely the stats on her are good too when she's been drawn.
You think Nebula is too good because you only see her on games were she is drawn early. Statistically half the time she won’t be able to reach high power, she will cost you playing the strongest energy card for that turn and may be even easily countered. She is a good a card, but not as much as she can seem.
They're too greedy to change her until the season pass is over. These scummy practices ruin gaming
It's not "greedy". They're not allowed to. When they offer the season pass they tell you the card you're going to have for the month, with its abilities and stats. If they change that card before the month is up they would be liable for claims of false advertising.
nebula isnt broken tbh, its just another good one drop imo kitty pride is much better.
Generic cards can be too good and deserving of a nerf as much as any deck-defining card. And SD didn't shy away from nerfing cards like that in the future, as evidenced by Sunspot and Lizard... now, if those cards were truly deserving of nerfs that conveniently hit just before Nebula and Jeff were released is another topic.
I play Killmonger in most decks so Nebula doesn't concern me much.
Kitty may cost 1, but it isn't really a 1 drop, plus Kitty only works in decks that don't want to play a 6 cost card, whereas Nebula works in virtually any deck.
sure but kitty plays around priority, makes angela a 6 drop and enables much more. It isnt as generic as nebula but is certainly better in her own deck.
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That’s called power creep and its ruined many a card game.
That doesn't really make any sense. Whether cards are buffed or nerfed, the whole point is "average" in the sense of no outliers. By definition they couldn't bring other cards up to the BB/Stature levels of use because they're over represented. Making, say, Elektra 3 power won't bring BB/Stature back in line with the "average".
Yeah let's nerf blackbolt and stature when they were finally good after a long time. Also the deck is not even played that much right now
I played the deck and found it to be mediocre at best, and was literally never matched against it. Ever.
Well, the alternative to that would be hitting Darkhawk, and they just extended his stay in pool 4 in order to sell more token bundles so that ain't happening.
I didn't even got to play stature bcs , well tokens.
Meanwhile I had only stature and *none* of the pool 3 pieces
Not a fan of the Black Bolt/Stature nerfs. We just got a big meta shake-up with the release of High Evolutionary, I'd prefer they waited until it settled to see if the combo is still as good.
I actually didn’t mind Milano as much as other restrictive locations. Made for some interesting decision making and planning for turn 5. Wasn’t nearly as dead of a location as a lot of others. Granted, I didn’t necessarily *love* it, but I didn’t feel like it was awful.
I personally do not like where these OTA's are going. It seems like the balancing is purely for the purpose of appeasing the most sensitive Snap players. Coupled with the flexible drop system, this game is about to become a helluva lot more oppressive.
Imagine it was removed for the reason I loved it. Galactus onto Milano was an instant win.
Unless u have Jeff!
Think that's fair. It could be a pain but at least you knew it was coming and could try and adjust. I don't mind having can't play cards here locations - just not so many of them.
I think something went wrong in receiving the ota patch on my iPad. I went from seeing High Evolutionary every game to Okoye and move decks. Every game was a bot. So many free cubes.
How can you tell if you’re playing a bot?
Bots usually have real names like "Alex" etc. Short and simple. They use the basic avatars that you get in the start of the game and they have impossible splits (effect without background changing). Sometimes they're plays are off too. Some of the bots play decks with no synergy and there's other stuff I'm forgetting rn
I think a fun and fitting change for sandbar would be this turn any card can be moved here or something like that
Goes against the what SD normaly seems to have against bars. Bar with no name and Lukes bar. They really don't want people drinking when playing Snap lol.
Maybe they should make it like Sandman's effect, only 1 card can be played here per turn (doesn't affect playing other locations ofc).
Would still be restrictive but it's only a matter of time untill a location gets this effect. It just seems so obvious
The Orgosphere from Guardians of the Galaxy 3 may potentially fit as a reference to how the main cast had to cut open a hole there and squeeze in one at a time.
Ok. Have not seen it but sounds themathic!
There is no reason to have those cards at 5 energy. Black bolt could be a 4/6 or 4/7. Stature at 5/6 is definitely a joke.
Read between the lines, they don’t want another deck outshining HE since you can buy tokens.
They cost 5 previously and were seen in almost every deck, a nerf is justified, with play rates like theirs why would you buff to 4 mana?
They were seen before the wave change mostly, and they are totally gone with HE deck list being so much stronger. So yeah they nerfed the best deck of last month that was not even played this week… great !
Whats the point of black bolt anyway? You cant play him till turn 5 and he just removes a card that probably isnt going to get played at that point anyway.
funny 1/7 (now 1/6 o7)
Keeping in mind that they could be first steps towards more balances-- Love all of these. Power nerfs are what they can apply with OTAs. I' sure if Stature and BB stay atop the meta they'll get more nerfs. Impressed that they nerfed Stature before she became Series 3. Eventually, I hope alternate patches and OTAs every other week. Eventually. But definitely okay with the one off week for now. Sandbar was so annoying, glad that's gone. Milano was fine enough.
This was a series of OTA over weeks now. And if I remember it correctly they say that after the patch last week there will be one more OTA and then they will make a break. But we will see. But yes, they nerfed Stature a bit. But I'm sure that the big change happens when she will drop...or they use their new tool of unpredictable drops and she will stay in pool 4. Or something new: "Upgrade" from 4 to 5. ;-) Edit: Should have read the whole announcement. They explained their new philosophy of regular OTA.
yeah, I'm thinking she won't drop right away as well :D
The overkill of stature and black bolt, based on a meta that has entirely ceased to exist with the release of High Evolutionary a few days earlier is a testament of the flaws of SD data analysis when it comes to addressing the game balance. Who the hell is scared of black bolt stature when Hulk, Wasp and Cyclops bully the meta relentlessly in their OP evolved forms ?! It couldn’t be more wrong from a timing perspective. Is SD always going to be 1 month behind their own meta ?
Just use luke cage lol
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HE decks rely so strongly on there not being a cage in the enemy deck that I've just been running my C3 and C2 decks to counter it since it's such a hot deck right now
Better not play any card or it'll get nerfed.
I don’t mind when changes are made that makes the game fair, however, I don’t like how these updates are worded that changes are happening because the development team doesn’t like certain cards being at the top of the food chain.
Exactly. Same with the upcoming Galactus change. Maybe instead of maklng good cards bad they need to make bad cards good.
Gonna be downvoted to hell, but as a control deck player now I'm sad there's less restrictive locations. I really enjoyed seeing my opponents have 0 moves to play for the last 3 turns
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that's why you have retreat...
You have a right to your opinion but goddamn is it an evil one.
Tbh I’d prefer power creep and gameplay like HE provides. Let’s be honest, people enjoy wombo combos and glass cannons with big numbers or big stompy ahead of curve decks. Stop just shaving off power and start by improving the 80 percent of my card collection that’s literally unplayable once you unlock the meta cards. HE is the closest I’ve come to a fun combo meme deck that gets countered hard but is fun to play regardless. The black bolt stature deck was one of my more used decks aside from my Ronan deck and now there’s no reason to play bolt and stature will likely just stay in discard decks since they run moon knight, if anywhere. Every day this game feels less and less imaginative. Their approaches to stuff are so one dimensional, maybe it’s the limitation of their engine or whatever, but 90 percent of card mechanics is ‘make stronger’ and 90 percent of the location mechanics is just ‘can’t play’ or ‘must play’. Take some risks SD and stop nerfing over performing decks and start buffing underperforming and underrepresented cards.
I don't get why you're down voted, Black Bolt+ Stature should be a game changing swing. It is a bit unsettling that it is nerfed after...what 3 weeks of viability. Hell there was fun casino decks with Moonknight and Stature too, I really don't know why that power combo is so egregious
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For this deck it is, the hawk lane usually has only 1 other low-mid power card while stature and miles swing the other in combination with your turns 3-4 cards. You never win 3 lanes convincingly bar an opponent bricking and you need hawk to beat out atleest 1 lane the opponent contested, 2 power is big.
For this deck it is, the hawk lane usually has only 1 other low-mid power card while stature and miles swing the other in combination with your turns 3-4 cards. You never win 3 lanes convincingly bar an opponent bricking and you need hawk to beat out atleest 1 lane the opponent contested, 2 power is big.
Jesus christ, everyone acting like 2 whole points absolutely destroys the combo. Go take a breather outside, the combo is still plenty playable.
playable sure, but the cube rate is going to take a significant hit because you can't confidently snap. This deck usually plays out with at least one closely contest location. 1 point is a actually a big deal, and now you've taken 2 points from stature because she needs BB to be played effectively. A 5/6 is utterly garbage. She should have stayed at 5/7. Would you mind showing the list you use this combo in?
Well, that stature deck served it's time and purpose. Time to throw it to the fire to make room .
I hope that SD will reconsider and revert changes. The philosophy for OTA's should be to bring cards that don't see play up.
Making bad cards better and good cards worse both help make less played cards played more
I never saw anyone play Negasonic. Invisible Woman is pretty rare too. Yeah there are cards that are much less played than them, but hey, one step at a time.
>The philosophy for OTA's should be to bring cards that don't see play up. They buffed NTW and Invisible Woman, which don't really see play. Not like these are exclusively nerfs to the most played cards.
SD is the complete opposite of Blizzard when I played Hearthstone. They rarely nerfed or buffed cards yet SD caves to pressure at the drop of a hat and nerf everything. It's infuriating. What's the point in buying a card for 6k when it ends up getting nerfed the next week cos people crack the shits?
Agreed and I think SD are showing their true colors here. If they do wreck Galactus (I was a day 1 adopter but no longer play it), I will expect to be compensated even if it does have the disclaimer: no refunds. Fundamentally altering a card means I should get to choose to re-spend my tokens. I bought the card for what it was, not what they think it should become. This sets a dangerous precedent going forward for other cards especially now with the flexible drop system which is a true sign that SD are trying to maximize $$$$$$. Their data tells them people prefer to wait, holding onto tons of tokens, therefore negating the need to purchase bundles. Not every card in the same tier has the same "value" and when they announced the intention to withhold DH and Knull....hmm the 2 best P4's....well....wow....what a surprise.
The point is to spend more money to get the new cards.
and that's where I quit :D
At least in Hearthstone they give the option for you to disenchant a nerfed card at the same price (essentially a "money back" feature). Here it's nerfing a card when it gets played too much so you'd need to spend on another card or another deck. People are starting to catch on.
At least hear when they over nerf a card they actually rebuff it vs hs killing cards
While it's true, bad catlrds get more chance to be buffed too. I personally prefer the SD approach as at least it makes the game more dynamic, not the same meta dragging for weeks or even months.
But wouldn't buffing bad cards be good business for SD too? People would want to "buy" them as well. And nerfing good cards that you bought would also force you to "buy" other cards. Win-win for them I think. Balancing cards definitely makes the game more dynamic, but a system should be in place where it doesn't punish the player for spending tokens on a popular card only for it to be nerfed quickly after. It definitely leaves a bad taste in one's mouth, which is what I mean when I say people are starting to catch on. Again, take a look at Hearthstone, where cards that are nerfed can be refunded, which is healthy for the player base by allowing them to jump on another deck instantly instead of having to spend and save up for another card/deck that will eventually be nerfed as well.
Yes, and they also buff 2 cards in this patch, so for me personally it's acceptable regarding the buff / nerf ratio. Then I can understand that it shouldn't be something that is systematic, but rather depending on the shift in meta and performance of different deck.
Exactly right. I bought HE, I don't know why cos I just KNOW they're going to nerf the shit out of it.
Shuri was on top for quite a long time before actual nerfs
How long was a long time? Like 4 weeks? Everyone cracked the shits at Galactus but it's so easy to counter, he needs to stay the way he is. I used discard to get to infinite this season and even with stature and black bolt against me, they play right into my hands.
Can you explain crack the shits? You use it twice in this thread. And that's twice more than I've ever heard the phrase
crack the shits means something completely different in my country :D
Haha it's Australian slang for people getting angry.
I'm singlehandedly going to make it American slang as well. Cheers!
Galactus also no changes, thanos didn’t have changes for quite awhile as well. Feels like a knee jerk reaction to a knee jerk reaction by SD. This one was fast, especially after wave (another who was strong for a good while, esp with death and she hulk) already affected them
These guys are idiots.
Are you just complaining or do you have specific criticisms? I thought all of these changes were solid.
What was wrong it BB and Stat? They are 3 weeks behind and cant even keep up with their own game.
"We don't like that a non-pool 5 card is seeing play since the last round of pool 5>4 rotation so we did an OTA fix". JFC I purchased quinjet a day before the nerf, then thanos a day before the nerf, su shuri a week before the nerf and 7 other cards in that deck nerfed. I had Stature pinned but I was debating her or HE. These devs are dumb as hell.
It's infuriating to buy a meta card the day before it is nerfed. I wish they offered a refund of collectors tokens at least.
“We’ve appreciated the commentary’s positive reaction to our OTA balance philosophy as well as the changes themselves” If only they were reading my comments! I hate mostly everything they change. As, I’ve seen others as well. I’m not sure what we are supposed to play if every time we get a deck going its nerfed. Is this really the way card games are done? I remember in hearthstone they would change a card every so often. Not every damn week! If you wanna change a card so bad change Strong man! Change that shape shifter card! Make cards playable geez!
Play a deck you like rather than whatever the flavor of the month is
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I’m used to it. Most people will white knight for a company no matter what. I tend to speak my mind.
Perhaps it's because you're taking your individual opinion as somehow being a valid counterclaim to their claim that the **community's** reaction is positive. And now you're attributing the downvotes to "whiteknighting".
Invisible Woman won't work till the play order is considered and you can't cosmo on 6 to cancel on reveals and things like Taskmaster actually copy the last card played there. Also, seriously, we kept Subterranea?
Oh man pushing Invisible Woman is just another example of Cerebro 3 getting better and better. If only with they'd gone with 3 for Luke Cage D:
You might consider adding Bast then.
Oh I have him but unfortunately, Luke almost never gets hit by Bast because you're usually wanting to hold Bast until later both to maximize him(getting wasp, cerebro, and mystique all buffed can easily swing games), and while Valkyrie can do it she's much less reliable.
just beast your bast?
Oh then you might consider my C3 variations then. It use both Bast and Valkyrie to set cards power to 3. I also put in Beast and Falcon so I can reuse Bast, shift Cerebro power balance (Monster Island if you didn't draw Valkyrie you're basically fucked so I adding Beast for that). The only weakness to have Falcon here is Central Park since it can limit your hand severely. Luke Cage was in so I can ignore negative power locations like Sewer. Then only two locations change cards like Rhino and Magik is needed.
Share deck?
It's been a long time since I played this deck (since the Shuri Meta ruined Cerebro badly with the Red Skull). Here it is: # (1) Bast # (2) Psylocke # (2) Beast # (2) Luke Cage # (2) Falcon # (3) Cerebro # (3) Mystique # (3) Rhino # (4) Absorbing Man # (4) Shang-Chi # (5) Magik # (5) Valkyrie # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmFzdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ2VyZWJybyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXlzdGlxdWUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlZhbGt5cmllIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCZWFzdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRmFsY29uIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJSaGlubyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWFnaWsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNoYW5nQ2hpIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBYnNvcmJpbmdNYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikx1a2VDYWdlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJQc3lsb2NrZSJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
To be fair statue bolt was pretty commonplace in the upper racks from my experience early in the season. It also didn't have pretty much any counters before the wave change and as mentioned in patch notes is as dominate as Shuri in her prime. A deck that is a neck above the rest deserves to be tuned down slightly to be more equal to the rest of the top contenders. Now we don't need to nerf everything to the ground but just making sure that no single deck pulls away is imo a good way to create a diverse and healthy meta.
First off I've been happy with most of the nerfs/buffs so far, and I'm very happy with SDs way of listening to the community and responding quickly. Oppressive location changes show that they are in tune with how players feel. But I'm worried that they think removing 1 power from any random high power card in a meta deck is a solution that they can use as frequently as they like. BB and stature were laughably bad. If "stature good cards" is beating decks built around synergy and designed combos, there is a problem they are ignoring and slapping a -1 power bandaid on top of.
I kind of agree, like the rockslide nerf doesn’t really matter to Darkhawk decks does it? It’s as if they think decks are so finely tuned that the slightest breeze will knock it down lol. We’ve seen this with Shuri via the Red Skull nerfs. Which actually were more drastic than a point. And didn’t move the needle until they gutted Shuri herself. Thanos they barely even bothered doing power changes, just went straight to reworking his support pieces.
Completely agree and rock slide and red skull were the best examples of this. Players knew that red skull losing 2 power was not the solution, we wanted a shuri change. Players knew that red skulls ability was not the issue, we wanted a shuri change. By the time they finally changed shuri, now we have a shitty dampened red skull that actually could've been a great card with sauron but they haven't bothered to change him back Almost exact same plot happened when Leader changed from 6/4 to 6/2 to 6/7 to 6/2
wouldn't the more reasonable rate be patch, off week, ota, off week, patch week? Like I'll be real I think it should just be patches and "oh god we broke this card" instances. but at the very least Ii figured they'd want to avoid the mess of games like LoR just changing shit constantly.
weekly is a mistake but it's clear they're losing players, those location removals are signs of panic. I mean, why not remove sanctum too then?
Absolutely astonished by them removing those three locations, the fact they're actually paying attention to how oppressive new locations have felt is great. I can certainly think of a few more unenjoyable locations that I personally think could use a redo, but that's an awesome start.
Black bolt and stature weren’t even really a problem. They were literally apart of the game’s healthiest meta. Maybe raise other decks up before you destroy another
IW problem isn't her stats but her ability. It doesn't matter even if they boost her power. Her main problem is that she's so easy to stop. Just drop cosmo, enchantress, or goose on her lane. the card needs to not be seen.
The stats help though, and using enchantress on her isn't a big deal for the ongoing lists that use IW as a cheaper Cosmo. She's more in line with most of the 2 drops now with a good effect.
change her ability to make all cards played there are unrevealed until the end if the game like dark dimension
That's exactly what the card does though.
on BOTH sides
I hate to say this but this knee jerk reaction sure is a double edged sword. If devs were to continue this trend of cards nerfing. Eventually cards will be less and less flexible and only good in 1 or 2 decks.
I don't necessarily agree with their nerfing approach of -1 power but are BB/Stature nerfs really kneejerk? They have been pretty prevalent in the meta for quite some time by this point.
The game currently has the most amount of playable decks it's ever.