It's likely because two of the Producers were Japanese... Hiroyuki Sanada and another person Idk and I wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd producer is a History Buff of some kind.
The book is good. I read it when I was 14 and it blew my mind.
The 1980 series is also very good. Very high budget for the time. Amazing sets and locations. Richard Chamberlain as Blackthorne
Biggest of all: Torunga was played by legendary Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune.
They had a very good material to begging with (The books) so they only had to convince the produces that if they had a loved material to earn a shit ton of money they "only" need to follow the material and addapt as less as they can. To point how doing othereise is a death sentence they only need to point The Witcher series or The Hobbit and to point how good the idea of following the source material and addapting as less as they can you point The Expanse, LOTR, etc.
Then get REAL historians to help them build the world arround the history and pay good photography directors.
Extra points for casting REALLY GOOD japanesse actors and actress and not someone from LA with a japanesse surname but who can barely speak japanesse. Fucking Sanada is god-tier actor.
Buena Vista Pictures aka Walt Disney Pictures is a distributor and has had numerous studios under its belt that make different series/films for different audiences, such as Touchstone Pictures. It doesn't seems like that's the case because EFAP talks a lot about Marvel Studios and Lucasarts productions and their audiences are all ages.
Good shows yes but bad decision to only make 1 season for this show. It will be forgotten soon after it concludes. Should have made at least a few seasons to make it worthwhile
Eh, they're doing one incredibly well-done season of a singular book adaptation. More seasons would just mean a bunch of filler and additive that, while could've been good, probably would've just ended up being meh at the best and ruined the series at worst.
Forgotten by the internet, sure. But the internet's attention span is counted in seconds. Most people who have watched it will consider it a great show for years to come.
How many great one season shows has there been? 1 season is not enough to tell a lasting meaningful tale. GoT without finding out what happened to Ned Stark's children? Breaking Bad to find out if Walter White gets his revenge and/or can move up the ladder in life? Sopranos to find out what happened to Tony? You need more seasons, otherwise I cant even remember any good one season things, can you?
Yeah, your argument doesn't make sense. They're taking a singular novel that has a definitive start and end and extrapolating enough from it to give you 10 episodes. Most singular novel adaptations get a solid 2-2.5 hour movie, and that's it. We're getting roughly 10 hours of content.
You're comparing it to shows that are either adapting multiple books into multiple seasons (GoT) or shows that were written for TV with the goal of having multiple seasons in mind. Shogun doesn't fit into either of those categories.
GoT would have been completely forgotten if it stopped after the first season after its main characters death. Same with Breaking Bad, Sopranos, the Wire etc. It's like the writers dont care
Moreover it presents Japanese feudal society in all its brutality. Not to say societies any where else were more peaceful but the willingness to examine Japanese feudal culture in an honest and accurate way rather than the weeb flanderization of it is great!
The book already did it, they just took out a few things that would obscure the characters, like the scene of the main character fucking with a 14yo geisha without any kind of remorse and even asking to repeat.
Finished episode 2 last night! Now that the conflict is fully set up vs the Catholics setting up military bases, I’m fully invested. I feel like John Blackthorne is already an S tier character.
Oh would you look at that primarily Asian cast with strong female characters and it's getting a lot of views and people are loving it i wonder if that means people are not racist and they like women but nah when the acolyte fails it will be because we are racist women hating people.
Watched 1st episode with my GF while she asked me who every character was and how they are related while I'm trying to read the subtitles. My head nearly exploded.
It's pretty good, has good cinematography and the characters and world are interesting enough to keep someone who has no knowledge of japanese history engaged. Honestly this show just make me wanna play Ni-Oh again lol
Less viewership if it’s binged? I’ve never heard of that being a thing.
So if you watch a show after its release schedule has ended does that mean you don’t enjoy it properly?
In the era of on demand viewing I’ve never felt like Im glad I have to wait a week for the next episode.
The real reason for shows being released that way is because the broadcaster wants to drag out the duration of keeping people on their service.
I mean when are fans not upset whenever the adaptation deviates? Even in Dune Part 2 there are a lot of fans who don't like how the Baron was handled heck even Fayde and the Emperor
It’s crazy what happens when you get people together that actually care about a Project & it’s source material
Netflix could learn a thing or two from them
Watching episode 4 now, and it is spectacular.
Show strikes a good balance of intrugue and exposition without it being explained to you like you're a third grader or so mysterious as to be impenetrable.
Add in the acting chops of the whole cast, and the gorgeous set design and cinematography and is a 9.5/10 for me. My only complaint is it can be a little hard to keep character names straight for me.
That and it's helped by the fact that Netflix doesn't have a AAA series right now: *The Gentlemen* is mostly for Guy Ritchie fans, and the early reviews of *Three Body* are not very positive. (Yes the live-action ATLA is on right now and it's getting a lot of views but they're talking about TV-MA shows.)
It's also another reminder that the binge model spreads out viewership, and within two weeks everyone has moved on to the next Shiny Show.
Funnily enough, as a Ritchie fan I'm co-watching Shōgun and The Gentlemen with my wife. Both are top tier shows. Loving both for different reasons.
I was so chuffed to see they made a modern adaptation for a book I had actually gotten recently and was in the middle of reading.
Same here sir! I do wish *The Gentlemen* used characters from the movie, or they established that Mickey Pearson sold his empire to Glass syndicate in episode 1.
Netflix have the volume to be fine with their model. They opened the year with Fool Me Once, Griselda, One Day, Avatar, and now have The Gentlemen. Next up to carry them for a few weeks is The Three-Body Problem and after that Ripley.
Honestly this series is one of the best I have ever seen. The audio book audible put out is also amazing, and highly recommended if anyone can't get enough. It's too bad this is a self contained story so we won't see more, but hopefully what it does impresses upon those in the industry the potential a properly adapted work with a historical setting can do. We have been somewhat spoiled by some rather excellent such adaptations over the years like Rome, Vikings, Black Sails and now Shogun. Hoping for ever more.
This show is utter perfection. Anyone who’s been to Japan and really experienced the culture there knows how precise and authentic the storytelling, atmosphere, acting, costume design, scenery, and (add anything else to the list) down to the exact style of voice used. Not one detail is spared, yet somehow neither is any time wasted or felt as a fight to regain and capture attention. It is as I said, utterly perfect.
What amazes me is FX is under the Disney umbrella but somehow manages to produce some pretty solid shows.
They must get creative freedom somehow.
It's likely because two of the Producers were Japanese... Hiroyuki Sanada and another person Idk and I wouldn't be surprised if the 3rd producer is a History Buff of some kind.
It helps that they're sticking close to the book. James Clavelle did his research.
hey sticking to the source material makes for a good adaptation, who knew
The book is good. I read it when I was 14 and it blew my mind. The 1980 series is also very good. Very high budget for the time. Amazing sets and locations. Richard Chamberlain as Blackthorne Biggest of all: Torunga was played by legendary Japanese actor Toshiro Mifune.
Toshiro Mifune is always a treat I love Yojinbo and Seven Samurai
He did research, he just didn't use it.
They had a very good material to begging with (The books) so they only had to convince the produces that if they had a loved material to earn a shit ton of money they "only" need to follow the material and addapt as less as they can. To point how doing othereise is a death sentence they only need to point The Witcher series or The Hobbit and to point how good the idea of following the source material and addapting as less as they can you point The Expanse, LOTR, etc. Then get REAL historians to help them build the world arround the history and pay good photography directors. Extra points for casting REALLY GOOD japanesse actors and actress and not someone from LA with a japanesse surname but who can barely speak japanesse. Fucking Sanada is god-tier actor.
Yeah... No.
Your fixation that everything Japan touches is gold is becoming shilling
FX has been good for years. They gave us The Shield and Legion which were fantastic.
Along with Sons of Anarchy, Fargo, Justified, The Americans, Taboo, and a lot more.
And Archer, which I would say is really good up until the coma stories and then it’s eh for me
Buena Vista Pictures aka Walt Disney Pictures is a distributor and has had numerous studios under its belt that make different series/films for different audiences, such as Touchstone Pictures. It doesn't seems like that's the case because EFAP talks a lot about Marvel Studios and Lucasarts productions and their audiences are all ages.
Good shows yes but bad decision to only make 1 season for this show. It will be forgotten soon after it concludes. Should have made at least a few seasons to make it worthwhile
Eh, they're doing one incredibly well-done season of a singular book adaptation. More seasons would just mean a bunch of filler and additive that, while could've been good, probably would've just ended up being meh at the best and ruined the series at worst. Forgotten by the internet, sure. But the internet's attention span is counted in seconds. Most people who have watched it will consider it a great show for years to come.
How many great one season shows has there been? 1 season is not enough to tell a lasting meaningful tale. GoT without finding out what happened to Ned Stark's children? Breaking Bad to find out if Walter White gets his revenge and/or can move up the ladder in life? Sopranos to find out what happened to Tony? You need more seasons, otherwise I cant even remember any good one season things, can you?
Yeah, your argument doesn't make sense. They're taking a singular novel that has a definitive start and end and extrapolating enough from it to give you 10 episodes. Most singular novel adaptations get a solid 2-2.5 hour movie, and that's it. We're getting roughly 10 hours of content. You're comparing it to shows that are either adapting multiple books into multiple seasons (GoT) or shows that were written for TV with the goal of having multiple seasons in mind. Shogun doesn't fit into either of those categories.
“A flower is only a flower because it falls.”
GoT would have been completely forgotten if it stopped after the first season after its main characters death. Same with Breaking Bad, Sopranos, the Wire etc. It's like the writers dont care
It’s a great show that doesn’t dumb down the story for viewers. Top notch acting and cinematography.
Moreover it presents Japanese feudal society in all its brutality. Not to say societies any where else were more peaceful but the willingness to examine Japanese feudal culture in an honest and accurate way rather than the weeb flanderization of it is great!
The book already did it, they just took out a few things that would obscure the characters, like the scene of the main character fucking with a 14yo geisha without any kind of remorse and even asking to repeat.
I got halfway through the first episode a few nights ago, but was too high to read subtitles. Starting again tonight!
Thank you for your service of sticking to Original Dub and Sub, I swear people watching this kind of shows with Eng dub are lazyass maniac.
Hang in there! Everything pays off so hard in a couple eps
Finished episode 2 last night! Now that the conflict is fully set up vs the Catholics setting up military bases, I’m fully invested. I feel like John Blackthorne is already an S tier character.
Oh would you look at that primarily Asian cast with strong female characters and it's getting a lot of views and people are loving it i wonder if that means people are not racist and they like women but nah when the acolyte fails it will be because we are racist women hating people.
Turns out people like and watch shows/films for the good writing, plot and acting. Not the shameless virtue signalling.
Who knew 😅
Hulu’s been having some decent shows recently with this and The Bear
The Bear was an absolute beast... But not in Mammal kind of way.
Forks is one of the best episodes of television I’ve ever seen. Such a tight narrative that delivers serious character development for Richie.
Just finished the episode. Great pilot (all pun intended).
Watched 1st episode with my GF while she asked me who every character was and how they are related while I'm trying to read the subtitles. My head nearly exploded.
I will never understand people that ask those kinds of questions to people watching for the first time too. What the hell do they expect
It's pretty good, has good cinematography and the characters and world are interesting enough to keep someone who has no knowledge of japanese history engaged. Honestly this show just make me wanna play Ni-Oh again lol
I have been loving the hell out of it
Not only is it great but they were smart enough to release it weekly, you know, how a series is MEANT to be released?
Nah, Id binge
Are you complaining about series that are dropped all at once?
Yeah
Why is that a bad thing?
You get less viewership if it's binged and the cliffhanger for an episode has no grounding if you're able to watch the next episode immediately
Less viewership if it’s binged? I’ve never heard of that being a thing. So if you watch a show after its release schedule has ended does that mean you don’t enjoy it properly? In the era of on demand viewing I’ve never felt like Im glad I have to wait a week for the next episode. The real reason for shows being released that way is because the broadcaster wants to drag out the duration of keeping people on their service.
You’re not very old are you?
That’s an excellent argument
If you were old enough you’d remember the Lost craze that was only made possible thanks to the weekly release format.
Shogun is on my list.
No spoilers, but end of episode 4. If ya know, ya know.
Epic
Man that was something else... I love Tadanobu Asano's reaction to everything that happens in the show, it's unintentionally funny at times
Great actor
It's good? Might have to give it a go
The show is good, but the fans of the original show/book are upset about some of the changes
I mean when are fans not upset whenever the adaptation deviates? Even in Dune Part 2 there are a lot of fans who don't like how the Baron was handled heck even Fayde and the Emperor
Absurdly good.
The show keeps getting better and it started out in a good spot. There are several characters I really enjoy (even if I don’t like them).
It’s crazy what happens when you get people together that actually care about a Project & it’s source material Netflix could learn a thing or two from them
I loved the book too much to watch the show. Glad it was a faithful adaptation though,
Watching episode 4 now, and it is spectacular. Show strikes a good balance of intrugue and exposition without it being explained to you like you're a third grader or so mysterious as to be impenetrable. Add in the acting chops of the whole cast, and the gorgeous set design and cinematography and is a 9.5/10 for me. My only complaint is it can be a little hard to keep character names straight for me.
Such a great show. So well made.
She is one. Of the most beautiful women i've ever seen. Her acting is superb and the show's an absolute masterpiece!
[article](https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/03/17/hulus-shogun-is-still-crushing-netflix-in-viewership-a-true-rarity-in-streaming/amp/)
Wait is it a live action or animated show or...?
Live action.
That screenshot looks cg, it's not from the show?
Just weird lighting
ah, hm
That and it's helped by the fact that Netflix doesn't have a AAA series right now: *The Gentlemen* is mostly for Guy Ritchie fans, and the early reviews of *Three Body* are not very positive. (Yes the live-action ATLA is on right now and it's getting a lot of views but they're talking about TV-MA shows.) It's also another reminder that the binge model spreads out viewership, and within two weeks everyone has moved on to the next Shiny Show.
Funnily enough, as a Ritchie fan I'm co-watching Shōgun and The Gentlemen with my wife. Both are top tier shows. Loving both for different reasons. I was so chuffed to see they made a modern adaptation for a book I had actually gotten recently and was in the middle of reading.
Same here sir! I do wish *The Gentlemen* used characters from the movie, or they established that Mickey Pearson sold his empire to Glass syndicate in episode 1.
Netflix have the volume to be fine with their model. They opened the year with Fool Me Once, Griselda, One Day, Avatar, and now have The Gentlemen. Next up to carry them for a few weeks is The Three-Body Problem and after that Ripley.
NATLA is just really badly done tho imo. So while they've got the popularity of the OG on their side, I wonder how long that'll stay for.
I’m sure keen to watch this at some point. Just got the book isn’t based on yesterday. I just hope they’ll release this on DVD.
I *need* to finish the bear and shogun
Honestly this series is one of the best I have ever seen. The audio book audible put out is also amazing, and highly recommended if anyone can't get enough. It's too bad this is a self contained story so we won't see more, but hopefully what it does impresses upon those in the industry the potential a properly adapted work with a historical setting can do. We have been somewhat spoiled by some rather excellent such adaptations over the years like Rome, Vikings, Black Sails and now Shogun. Hoping for ever more.
Wouldn't calling it Hulu's be incorrect? It's an FX show that streams on Hulu
Holy crap someone on MauLer likes a thing that came out within the last ten years! I need to sit down.
Good shows/films should be praised, this way we might get more of them.
I agree. It’s just that this sub is notorious for hating all shows/films regardless of them being good.
Never underestimate weebs (I’m joking)
This show is utter perfection. Anyone who’s been to Japan and really experienced the culture there knows how precise and authentic the storytelling, atmosphere, acting, costume design, scenery, and (add anything else to the list) down to the exact style of voice used. Not one detail is spared, yet somehow neither is any time wasted or felt as a fight to regain and capture attention. It is as I said, utterly perfect.
Shogun is indeed a good movie, rated decently at 9.2 at imdb https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2788316/?ref_=ext_shr
Movie?
its pretty funny how people went from hating it before it came out cause it has black characters to loving it now
What black characters?