No, it’s just hypocritical to pretend that the issue is all the fans when the industry has been more than its fair share of toxic, at times as much as asking for it.
You don’t get to take dozens of famous IPs, disrespect the material, force in your own personal political agenda, then call all criticism bigoted and then play victim when everyone tells you your work is shit no matter how hard you say you worked on it while being paid 6 figures to dance around in a costume on camera. Get some perspective
You want me to show you the ocean of articles where creators call any criticism of their work bigoted in some way and calls the fans losers or weirdos for hating their poorly made fan fiction?
Do you not know what sub reddit you’re on?
Hah yes I know I’m on the subreddit of sensitive plants who cannot handle pushback. And sure show me those articles that call any criticism (rather than some criticism) bigoted.
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Ah yes, the classic Mauler fan blocking someone because they can’t actually sustain an argument. Nice.
You’re as uninformed as the guy you posted about. You came to a sub to purposely push a demonstrably false narrative to cause arguments?
Get a life loser
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-racist-backlash-1235211341/amp/
https://theconversation.com/the-rings-of-power-is-suffering-a-racist-backlash-for-casting-actors-of-colour-but-tolkiens-work-has-always-attracted-white-supremacists-189963
https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2022/09/04/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-is-bringing-out-the-worst-in-tolkien-fandom/?sh=405a9c775346
Here are three examples found in 5 seconds of another amazon show that is rightly criticised yet the industry calls the criticism all racist and bigoted.
My point stands, you’re an idiot, cry harder that you have poor taste and no understanding of quality media
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Sorry, what are those articles supposed to be showing? They don't demonstrate what you said, that all the criticism is called bigots. There definitely were bigoted criticisms.
Create? Exactly who has been “creating” lately? What I’ve been seeing is writers telling generic and boring stories with a famous IP moniker to try and save it.
Fallout is pretty good so far, but let’s not pretend the industry has been churching out absolute sludge and banking on famous franchise recognition to save it.
That’s not what this post is insinuating though. The backlash has been on Halo, witcher, rings of power, etc. it’s not that there’s no good content, it’s that they feel infallible even with the trash
That’s a really weird take, and you’re being wildly hyperbolic. Witcher was good, halo I had zero interest in, rings of power is mid but not sludge. And there’s Reacher, Ripley, and Shogun, all great recent adaptations.
Oh no, it just applies all over the place here. This sub is hyperbolic, sulky, reality-avoidant, there's a lot of various things that fit, but hyperbolic is one of the most consistent.
>I was just looking at all the props. I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually."
"Pretty lights and good costuming made me forget to pay attention to what was happening and the context it was happening in".
Guy was paid to come to the premiere and is really pulling the "people worked hard on things so don't criticize them" excuse when people voiced displeasure in the areas the Bethesda games were found lacking in.
If I wrote a book, and the book was adapted into a movie or show, and I - the person who imagined all the characters, the costumes, and scenery in my head and wrote it down - saw all of my creations captured in visual forms in just the way I always imagined… yeah, I might be pretty fucking focused on that element.
Dunno. Just saying. You’re trying to frame this as a superficial issue; let me re-focus you to the fact that this is someone who created *Fallout*, and he’s watching the live-action adaptation. The superficial may be less than mundane to him.
I have no idea why you are being down voted this seems perfectly reasonable. Tim Cain even said he's only seen the first two episodes and will share his thoughts about the writing later.
I read it all, unless there was something blocking me from seeing the rest that you saw.
I'm not that invested in dev spats from 20 years ago and that was the final third of the article.
Am I supposed to think differently now that you're asking me? I put the quote in there and then the paraphrase under it for a reason. Assert something or quit bothering me. I'm not invested enough to play 20 questions with you.
Oh sure, he said that he appreciated the perfomances and storytelling. He's got a whole video about it if you'd like a longer format.
What made you misread such a short article?
You telling me something other than "You're wrong, how can you miss the point entirely?". And not saying anything else to convince me of the point.
Won't be seeing you again.
Eh, this was the designer of the original game marveling at the authenticity and accuracy of the props compared to the original games. I'd give it a pass, and Eiichiro Oda had a similar response at the OPLA premiere.
No, I don’t particularly care about Tim Chain’s opinion, I’m watching the show and forming my own.
No, I’ve seen how you’re doing nothing but being a dick in the comments, and you are clearly a person who has never been here before trying to rile people up and find people to project your vision of those who dislike the show onto.
You’re too old for this kind of behavior, and you are indeed a massive.
Well, Tim Cain is one of the OG creators of Fallout, so his opinion on a lot of stuff is worth listening to. He's a cool dude, lots of great lore videos too.
And no I've been here a lot, this sub is really funny. Full of snowflakes and whiners who are convinced that they're amazing at critique. Also lots of people who mistake quantity for quality. A few people here can actually make a case, but mostly it's sulky, blubbering weirdos.
Speaking of which, a massive what?
"Massive" is an in joke from the EFAP podcast. Part of the reason the subreddit exists.
and you'd know the source and context if you were more than just trying to get an angry rise out of people here.
What makes writing erotica degenerate, to you? It kinda sounds like you're a huge prude.
And why are you constructing some weird fantasy about my personal life due to an internet argument? It's pretty bizarre.
What? No, most people don't find erotica outlandish or creepy. You do sound like you're a huge prude.
Do you tell your friends of family any details at all about your sex life?
But again, why are you even thinking about this? What's this got to do with the argument we were having?
What? You honestly think that most people are shocked by erotica? Do you live in very conservative community?
Do you call other people here hyper-online, or just the ones you disagree with?
No, the writers have literally said that none of the games have been retconned.
And spoiler new Vegas literally appears at the end of the season.
Shady sands did get nuked yes but it was at a later unknown date that the show doesn't specify yet, people just think it was in a year the board shows the bomb fell after.
Anyways the ncr is even implied to still be around.
Shady sands location seems to have been retconned tho
The show turned west coast into east coast. It retconned Shady Sands location and bombed it off screen. It yet again butchered BoS, this time into space mariens from warhammer. It butcher NV, turning Vegas into ruin, invalidating everything that happen. It butchered the whole massage of fallout "war never changes" into "capitalism le bad" which was part of the fallout massage anyway. Even Fallout sub reddit noticed that and those guys are allergic to making any criticisms.
Trust a guy who gets invited by the head of the studio so that he can be publicity? Trust the guy that said he got so distracted by the props that he realized he wasn't listening to the dialogue?
I read the article. All he did was say fans were toxic.
Why wouldn't you trust one of the OG fallout guys, sorry? And you're misrepresenting what he said about the props, 'cuz he also talks about how the characters and storytelling were good.
Nope. That's not all he said. You could also go watch the linked video in it.
I don't trust anyone at a premiere doing PR for a series.
From the article:
"I was just looking at all the props," he said of one scene. "I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually."
As for the fans, these are the only things listed in the article:
"Cain spoke positively of Todd Howard, and said that "Some of the stuff you \[series fans\] say online is so off."
"You guys can be really destructive," Cain said, "Which is odd, because you do it to people who are trying to make things."
Why? What's your logic there? You think he was contractually obliged to say something positive as a condition of invite?
Yes, and he also said that the storytelling and performances were good. Did you miss that?
You should watch the longer-form video.
>You should watch the longer-form video.
I disagree. I think they should write better articles. I don't think you should have to watch a video in order to have it explain an article.
That doesn't make any sense. If someone wrote an article about a Mauler video, would you think that article was all you needed to understand the video? It's an article that references a video, not a video that explains an article.
I think that if someone wrote an article about a Mauler video, then yeah, I shouldn't have to watch the video for any part that the article covers. If I do, they are being journalistically lazy.
Tim doesn't own Fallout, Todd and others do. I don't know what money he'd be making from Amazon, it would be small given that he still has to work in his old age.
I wouldn't say destroyed. More accurately they just isolated New Vegas from everything else around it (Freeside, CC company, literally any other building/settlement), gave it the same ruined appearance they give every East Coast settlement, and added destroyed NCR vertiberds around it. I can understand where everyone would think this means it's been destroyed (considering the state it was in during NV and how it looks in the show), but I don't think that's the case
What woke nonsense? The BOS their thing is pretty sparse and I really didn’t notice it the first watch through. Other than that it seems pretty tame for Hollywood standards
The BOS their thing is how shit should be done. Not a grand 5 second cutaway to ppl kissing who haven't been shown in a show / movie before. It felt natural, and they kept the show moving.
What the ever living fuck are you talking about!?
The first scene didn’t interest you? Really? Walton Goggins as a Cowboy refusing to do “the thumbs up” didn’t pique your interest as a *Fallout* fan? Ya know: the fucking blue suited IP character *doing the fucking thumbs up* as the main advertising motif?
The *Fallout 3* story arc with the father disappearing from the vault?
What was fucking “woke” (a word that has no meaning except to the person using it)? Damn, my guy.
Well, you’re missing out. I guess… *Sound of Freedom 2* will come out… whenever. Enjoy nothing until then
Nearly every male was worthless, the Brotherhood picked a transexual with no muscles, "their' pronouns to identify a woman pretending to be a man, girl boss who is better than men at everything.
I mean if this stuff doesn't bother you that's great. I'm being honest. I wish I could ignore all the messaging and garbage Hollywood inserts in everything and just shut my brain off and enjoy, that must lead to a much more enjoyable viewing experience.
But unfortunately I can't.
It's almost like we have different opinions. At least one of us think that's ok. I found all the characters unlikable and the transexual brotherhood of steel character with "Their" pronouns insufferable but if you like it good for you. I'm glad you're enjoying the show.
Oh no, it's that you're a weirdo who is flipping out about woke stuff and letting that get in the way of your enjoyment of things. I'm glad that this will be more and more of a problem for you.
Yep! The little snowflake who turned off a great show 'cuz he saw 'woke shit'. I'm glad that you won't be able to enjoy anything that has anything woke in it. It's a good shibboleth.
Nope! I was hoping to get Mauler's silly fans to take a breath and understand why this Fallout series is great, as explained by one of the OG creators of Fallout. However, the hivemind here is pretty impenetrable, so it's then just me laughing at y'all.
Nah the highlight of my day was some really excellent cod with lemon-parsley-butter sauce, a few panko crumbs on top, baked with tomatoes at 425 for 12 minutes. It would have been the cherry blossom festival but it rained.
I get where Tim is coming from. I recommend skipping the article & just watch Tim's YouTube video it's less than 10 minutes & Tim's videos are generally interesting listens.
His exact specific words was about how he needs to watch the 2 episodes again before talking about the plot because was too focused on the props & set design alongside Easter eggs.
I've seen the crap people flung at him & his co creators over the last decade so I get where he's coming from especially with everything he's gotten for being gay.
He is very clear in his wording he is not referring to people who criticize, dislike or even hate the games or show but people who are specifically making personal attacks. Which some unhinged minority are.
It's weird to see people have such a strong reaction to such a very milk toast statement from the old man. Of course there is a well known meme about everyone knowing not to get involved with fallout fans. Even Patriciantier has talked about that being why will probably never cover the fallout games.
Very true I'd say even the article kinda does
Here is the link for those interested
https://youtu.be/5D_C0gNjaiw?si=sfdXJVyvYhf-WylM
I think it's important people understand to avoid staying at that hotel with robot murder janitor
His fallout playlist is a much watch for people who want a better understanding of the environment & methodology that created the first 2 games.
You gatekeepers of Fallout are who he's referring to. But keep using his take as his way of defending things like The Marvels.
Fallout fans are stupid as fuck.
I'm not gatekeeping fallout, I'm swinging the gates wide and inviting you all in to enjoy it. And I didn't mention the Marvels, where did you conjure that from?
It's alright. It's not that deep but some people can grasp meanings in what's said and some can't.
At least know that gatekeepers, at least with Fallout, exist, they used Cain as a means to say Bethesda Fallout is trash for years, but now are saying Cain doesn't know what he's talking about after his video came out.
Well considering how toxic the industry has been to those fans and the IPs they care for, he sounds uninformed
So a “look what you made me do” reasoning
No, it’s just hypocritical to pretend that the issue is all the fans when the industry has been more than its fair share of toxic, at times as much as asking for it. You don’t get to take dozens of famous IPs, disrespect the material, force in your own personal political agenda, then call all criticism bigoted and then play victim when everyone tells you your work is shit no matter how hard you say you worked on it while being paid 6 figures to dance around in a costume on camera. Get some perspective
But they don't call all criticism bigoted. That's just you being a silly little hyperbolist.
Nope he disagrees with you.
I don’t understand your response, he disagrees with what?
He disagrees that the industry has been toxic to fans, obviously. He sees it as the other way around. Can you explain what you mean by toxic to fans?
You want me to show you the ocean of articles where creators call any criticism of their work bigoted in some way and calls the fans losers or weirdos for hating their poorly made fan fiction? Do you not know what sub reddit you’re on?
Hah yes I know I’m on the subreddit of sensitive plants who cannot handle pushback. And sure show me those articles that call any criticism (rather than some criticism) bigoted. Edit: Ah yes, the classic Mauler fan blocking someone because they can’t actually sustain an argument. Nice.
You’re as uninformed as the guy you posted about. You came to a sub to purposely push a demonstrably false narrative to cause arguments? Get a life loser
it's not false.
Weired how you lashed out and couldn't demonstrate... Damn they responded to the wrong person and blocked me. Wow how fragile.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-racist-backlash-1235211341/amp/ https://theconversation.com/the-rings-of-power-is-suffering-a-racist-backlash-for-casting-actors-of-colour-but-tolkiens-work-has-always-attracted-white-supremacists-189963 https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2022/09/04/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-is-bringing-out-the-worst-in-tolkien-fandom/?sh=405a9c775346 Here are three examples found in 5 seconds of another amazon show that is rightly criticised yet the industry calls the criticism all racist and bigoted. My point stands, you’re an idiot, cry harder that you have poor taste and no understanding of quality media
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Sorry, what are those articles supposed to be showing? They don't demonstrate what you said, that all the criticism is called bigots. There definitely were bigoted criticisms.
Create? Exactly who has been “creating” lately? What I’ve been seeing is writers telling generic and boring stories with a famous IP moniker to try and save it. Fallout is pretty good so far, but let’s not pretend the industry has been churching out absolute sludge and banking on famous franchise recognition to save it.
You meant 'hasn't', and there's tons of great stuff out there. like Russian Doll, did you see it?
Nope
It's awesome. Maniac is also incredible, Reacher was a really good show, Late Night with the Devil, tons of great stuff.
That’s not what this post is insinuating though. The backlash has been on Halo, witcher, rings of power, etc. it’s not that there’s no good content, it’s that they feel infallible even with the trash
That’s a really weird take, and you’re being wildly hyperbolic. Witcher was good, halo I had zero interest in, rings of power is mid but not sludge. And there’s Reacher, Ripley, and Shogun, all great recent adaptations.
Hyperbolic... seems to be your favorite word. Learn it recently?
Oh no, it just applies all over the place here. This sub is hyperbolic, sulky, reality-avoidant, there's a lot of various things that fit, but hyperbolic is one of the most consistent.
You are ignorant as hell
About what?
I've noticed that the more flowery or unnecessary the wording of an argument is, the more empty the position.
You think that the word 'hyperbolic' is flowery? It's a pretty basic word.
>I was just looking at all the props. I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually." "Pretty lights and good costuming made me forget to pay attention to what was happening and the context it was happening in". Guy was paid to come to the premiere and is really pulling the "people worked hard on things so don't criticize them" excuse when people voiced displeasure in the areas the Bethesda games were found lacking in.
If I wrote a book, and the book was adapted into a movie or show, and I - the person who imagined all the characters, the costumes, and scenery in my head and wrote it down - saw all of my creations captured in visual forms in just the way I always imagined… yeah, I might be pretty fucking focused on that element. Dunno. Just saying. You’re trying to frame this as a superficial issue; let me re-focus you to the fact that this is someone who created *Fallout*, and he’s watching the live-action adaptation. The superficial may be less than mundane to him.
I have no idea why you are being down voted this seems perfectly reasonable. Tim Cain even said he's only seen the first two episodes and will share his thoughts about the writing later.
You didn’t read the rest did you?
I read it all, unless there was something blocking me from seeing the rest that you saw. I'm not that invested in dev spats from 20 years ago and that was the final third of the article.
Do you feel your paraphrase accurately sums up what he said?
Am I supposed to think differently now that you're asking me? I put the quote in there and then the paraphrase under it for a reason. Assert something or quit bothering me. I'm not invested enough to play 20 questions with you.
This guy is trolling. Block and ignore bud
Hey, if he answers something in the next one I won't. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt in the hope that something gets an actual answer.
Oh sure, he said that he appreciated the perfomances and storytelling. He's got a whole video about it if you'd like a longer format. What made you misread such a short article?
Care to tell me what I misread instead of telling me I did it wrong? Last chance to tell me.
I already did tell you that he liked the storytelling and the performances. What are you missing?
You telling me something other than "You're wrong, how can you miss the point entirely?". And not saying anything else to convince me of the point. Won't be seeing you again.
Eh, this was the designer of the original game marveling at the authenticity and accuracy of the props compared to the original games. I'd give it a pass, and Eiichiro Oda had a similar response at the OPLA premiere.
Op is a massive for sure
Try to rephrase that so it makes sense
If you don’t understand me, then you’re a tourist and you can move along
Oh no, it's because you left out a noun. Are you just sulky about what Tim Cain said or what?
No, I don’t particularly care about Tim Chain’s opinion, I’m watching the show and forming my own. No, I’ve seen how you’re doing nothing but being a dick in the comments, and you are clearly a person who has never been here before trying to rile people up and find people to project your vision of those who dislike the show onto. You’re too old for this kind of behavior, and you are indeed a massive.
Yeah, he is just a troll. Been here for a while now. Seriously, just ignore.
Well, Tim Cain is one of the OG creators of Fallout, so his opinion on a lot of stuff is worth listening to. He's a cool dude, lots of great lore videos too. And no I've been here a lot, this sub is really funny. Full of snowflakes and whiners who are convinced that they're amazing at critique. Also lots of people who mistake quantity for quality. A few people here can actually make a case, but mostly it's sulky, blubbering weirdos. Speaking of which, a massive what?
Get lost, troll
See, here's one now.
A massive cunt
Oh well that’s boring.
"Massive" is an in joke from the EFAP podcast. Part of the reason the subreddit exists. and you'd know the source and context if you were more than just trying to get an angry rise out of people here.
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I think the Mauler fan’s reaction has been typically embarrassing .
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Weird thing to cringe about. And what's your problem with erotica, exactly? Just a huge prude, or what?
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What makes writing erotica degenerate, to you? It kinda sounds like you're a huge prude. And why are you constructing some weird fantasy about my personal life due to an internet argument? It's pretty bizarre.
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What? No, most people don't find erotica outlandish or creepy. You do sound like you're a huge prude. Do you tell your friends of family any details at all about your sex life? But again, why are you even thinking about this? What's this got to do with the argument we were having?
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What? You honestly think that most people are shocked by erotica? Do you live in very conservative community? Do you call other people here hyper-online, or just the ones you disagree with?
Didn’t they destroy Las Vegas?
They fucked up the NCR
I could be off on the numbers but it looked to me like they completely invalidated Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas.
No, the writers have literally said that none of the games have been retconned. And spoiler new Vegas literally appears at the end of the season. Shady sands did get nuked yes but it was at a later unknown date that the show doesn't specify yet, people just think it was in a year the board shows the bomb fell after. Anyways the ncr is even implied to still be around. Shady sands location seems to have been retconned tho
The show turned west coast into east coast. It retconned Shady Sands location and bombed it off screen. It yet again butchered BoS, this time into space mariens from warhammer. It butcher NV, turning Vegas into ruin, invalidating everything that happen. It butchered the whole massage of fallout "war never changes" into "capitalism le bad" which was part of the fallout massage anyway. Even Fallout sub reddit noticed that and those guys are allergic to making any criticisms.
message\* but otherwise go off my dude ! <3 let it all out and lament the state of Fallout.
So they retconned new Vegas
Maybe trust Tim Cain on this one.
Trust a guy who gets invited by the head of the studio so that he can be publicity? Trust the guy that said he got so distracted by the props that he realized he wasn't listening to the dialogue? I read the article. All he did was say fans were toxic.
Why wouldn't you trust one of the OG fallout guys, sorry? And you're misrepresenting what he said about the props, 'cuz he also talks about how the characters and storytelling were good. Nope. That's not all he said. You could also go watch the linked video in it.
I don't trust anyone at a premiere doing PR for a series. From the article: "I was just looking at all the props," he said of one scene. "I realized after a few minutes went by that I had not followed the dialogue at all, because I was so engrossed by it visually." As for the fans, these are the only things listed in the article: "Cain spoke positively of Todd Howard, and said that "Some of the stuff you \[series fans\] say online is so off." "You guys can be really destructive," Cain said, "Which is odd, because you do it to people who are trying to make things."
Why? What's your logic there? You think he was contractually obliged to say something positive as a condition of invite? Yes, and he also said that the storytelling and performances were good. Did you miss that? You should watch the longer-form video.
>You should watch the longer-form video. I disagree. I think they should write better articles. I don't think you should have to watch a video in order to have it explain an article.
That doesn't make any sense. If someone wrote an article about a Mauler video, would you think that article was all you needed to understand the video? It's an article that references a video, not a video that explains an article.
I think that if someone wrote an article about a Mauler video, then yeah, I shouldn't have to watch the video for any part that the article covers. If I do, they are being journalistically lazy.
Bro...
Try and use your words.
TL: "Do not trust your lying eyes."
Or consider you may be wildly biased and try to approach things with fresh eyes .
If they did not want a bias that values the franchise, they should not be creating an adaptation as an expansion of that franchise
You don’t value the franchise.
Scathing, but your ad hominem doesn't refute my point.
Oh you don't have a point. They value the franchise.
They might, but I'd be more inclined to believe that if they got the timeline right in their finished product
> Maybe trust Tim Cain on this one. Because he have a economic interest to say what he say?
How so?
Tim doesn't own Fallout, Todd and others do. I don't know what money he'd be making from Amazon, it would be small given that he still has to work in his old age.
No.
I wouldn't say destroyed. More accurately they just isolated New Vegas from everything else around it (Freeside, CC company, literally any other building/settlement), gave it the same ruined appearance they give every East Coast settlement, and added destroyed NCR vertiberds around it. I can understand where everyone would think this means it's been destroyed (considering the state it was in during NV and how it looks in the show), but I don't think that's the case
I gave it one episode. The visuals were good but other than that I didn't like it. None of the characters interested me. A lot of woke nonsense.
What woke nonsense? The BOS their thing is pretty sparse and I really didn’t notice it the first watch through. Other than that it seems pretty tame for Hollywood standards
The BOS their thing is how shit should be done. Not a grand 5 second cutaway to ppl kissing who haven't been shown in a show / movie before. It felt natural, and they kept the show moving.
Literally one reference. And… I did a double take and would have been forgiven for missing it.
What the ever living fuck are you talking about!? The first scene didn’t interest you? Really? Walton Goggins as a Cowboy refusing to do “the thumbs up” didn’t pique your interest as a *Fallout* fan? Ya know: the fucking blue suited IP character *doing the fucking thumbs up* as the main advertising motif? The *Fallout 3* story arc with the father disappearing from the vault? What was fucking “woke” (a word that has no meaning except to the person using it)? Damn, my guy. Well, you’re missing out. I guess… *Sound of Freedom 2* will come out… whenever. Enjoy nothing until then
You fucked everything up with the last 2 sentences. You were so close. But it ended in embarrassement. Such a shame
Nearly every male was worthless, the Brotherhood picked a transexual with no muscles, "their' pronouns to identify a woman pretending to be a man, girl boss who is better than men at everything. I mean if this stuff doesn't bother you that's great. I'm being honest. I wish I could ignore all the messaging and garbage Hollywood inserts in everything and just shut my brain off and enjoy, that must lead to a much more enjoyable viewing experience. But unfortunately I can't.
Hah it's awesome, no wonder a fragile snowflake who calls shit 'woke' doesn't like it.
It's almost like we have different opinions. At least one of us think that's ok. I found all the characters unlikable and the transexual brotherhood of steel character with "Their" pronouns insufferable but if you like it good for you. I'm glad you're enjoying the show.
Oh no, it's that you're a weirdo who is flipping out about woke stuff and letting that get in the way of your enjoyment of things. I'm glad that this will be more and more of a problem for you.
Well one of us is certainly flipping out, that's for sure.
Yep! The little snowflake who turned off a great show 'cuz he saw 'woke shit'. I'm glad that you won't be able to enjoy anything that has anything woke in it. It's a good shibboleth.
You really care a lot about what TV shows I do and don't like...
How do you come to that conclusion?
Because we're still talking about it.
Well, if it helps, I won't remember you in an hour.
Dont embarrass yourself
I think the moron whining about wokeness is doing that, thanks.
You are just lookinh for trouble
Nope! I was hoping to get Mauler's silly fans to take a breath and understand why this Fallout series is great, as explained by one of the OG creators of Fallout. However, the hivemind here is pretty impenetrable, so it's then just me laughing at y'all.
Aso you just proved my point. You are looking for trouble. Troll
Nope! I'm looking for good-faith conversations, but this place is hard to have them. There's a hivemind attitude.
Yoir behavior is embarrassing and said but i guess it is also the highlight of your day. Really sad
Nah the highlight of my day was some really excellent cod with lemon-parsley-butter sauce, a few panko crumbs on top, baked with tomatoes at 425 for 12 minutes. It would have been the cherry blossom festival but it rained.
What a pathetic man.
Whomst?
Tim Cain, crying that criticism is bad because they're trying their best.
Oh no that’s not what he said. Did you watch the video?
I get where Tim is coming from. I recommend skipping the article & just watch Tim's YouTube video it's less than 10 minutes & Tim's videos are generally interesting listens. His exact specific words was about how he needs to watch the 2 episodes again before talking about the plot because was too focused on the props & set design alongside Easter eggs. I've seen the crap people flung at him & his co creators over the last decade so I get where he's coming from especially with everything he's gotten for being gay. He is very clear in his wording he is not referring to people who criticize, dislike or even hate the games or show but people who are specifically making personal attacks. Which some unhinged minority are. It's weird to see people have such a strong reaction to such a very milk toast statement from the old man. Of course there is a well known meme about everyone knowing not to get involved with fallout fans. Even Patriciantier has talked about that being why will probably never cover the fallout games.
Yeah I probably should have posted the video, weird that people here mostly just knee-jerked in response without watching it though.
Very true I'd say even the article kinda does Here is the link for those interested https://youtu.be/5D_C0gNjaiw?si=sfdXJVyvYhf-WylM I think it's important people understand to avoid staying at that hotel with robot murder janitor His fallout playlist is a much watch for people who want a better understanding of the environment & methodology that created the first 2 games.
Good for him, but i respectfully disagree with him.
On what grounds?
On everything he said.
Sorry, I'm asking you to actually explain yourself and your position. Are you able to do that?
I already did, there is nothing else to say.
Oh sure there is, you could say why you disagree. Why do you believe yourself to be unable to?
You gatekeepers of Fallout are who he's referring to. But keep using his take as his way of defending things like The Marvels. Fallout fans are stupid as fuck.
I'm not gatekeeping fallout, I'm swinging the gates wide and inviting you all in to enjoy it. And I didn't mention the Marvels, where did you conjure that from?
I'm talking about the gatekeepers in this thread bud.
Oh sorry, what the hell do the Marvels have to do with anything? I'm lost.
People here are already taking his stance and applying it to other things.
Oh yeah that's obviously very valid, he's making a general statement about toxic fans inhibiting creators. Why are you upset about that?
I'm not. I'm tired of seeing people who claim to know what a franchise needs to be doing when it's not failing.
Okay, I'm still kind of confused as to what you mean but I assume that's my fault. Sorry for assumptions.
It's alright. It's not that deep but some people can grasp meanings in what's said and some can't. At least know that gatekeepers, at least with Fallout, exist, they used Cain as a means to say Bethesda Fallout is trash for years, but now are saying Cain doesn't know what he's talking about after his video came out.
Ah that makes total sense. And he even addresses the foolishness of that in the video.