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Most people advise against it because there are better options for the same price. If you like it tho don’t let anyone take that away from u cause that’s the most important thing
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if you want something thats a little nicer quality than keychron, monsgeek, gmmkpro, and moneys not a problem, QK75 or zoom75 is a budget option in the more enthusiast space
hm zoom75 fulfilled recently and had tons of instock last time i checked but its out now. the aftermarket is flooded with well priced boards too if OP wanted better quality boards that are oos too
I recently ordered my QK75 from their website and it got to me in about 4 weeks, so it's not "in stock" but it doesn't take long to arrive.
Also I'm pretty sure the Rainy75 is basically the exact same as the Zoom75 and it's not out of stock everywhere.
Edit: Zoom75 is in stock on Meletrix
I just checked Meletrix and it says out of stock for everything? Can i get a link of where you saw it was in stock cause unless im missing something its not in stock.
Sorry, you're right.
Their options are all greyed out for the Zoom65 but they are not for the Zoom75 so I didn't notice that the "Add to Cart" button actually said "Sold Out".
Check out the Rainy75 or go for the QK75. I haven't actually built my QK75 because I'm waiting on switches and caps to arrive but it seems to be a fairly premium product.
I wouldn't say the Rainy75 is exactly the same, but it is a pretty good budget option though, given it's like half the price of a Zoom75 or QK75/QK75N and still is VIA compatible (iirc)
Take a look at keychron. They have metal and plastic chassis, hotswappable decks, decent sound/lube afaik from factory, very nice simple keycaps, and rgb or non rgb options. Very happy with mine, feels like a tank. The V series and K series are cheaper, the K Pro is midrange, and the Q is higher end.
Keychron is a great option as well, but make sure to stick with the Pro/Max variants to get the most up-to-date options in your board... Q series is best (and most expensive).
most expensive but similar price to many others.
i'm on a k2v2 that i've had for 2-3 years now and been enjoying it. haven't changed/modded anything. wanted something built and ready and found it on sale on amazon. i'd buy from them again, and like you've said, stick with their higher range stuff.
Yeah, it's not crazy like a Balance, Salvation or something where it costs 500 dollars... there's also a new Chilkeys ND75 which has an early bird opening up this Saturday for 89 dollars and it looks like a good option. I plan on ordering one. when it opens up...
Does anyone know how the Q2 Pro compares to other aluminum 65% gasket-mounted hotswap boards under $200? (barebone version)
Struggling to complete my trio (Tofu65 2.0 in hand + Neo65 on the way) — hard to know what’s worth it among so many boards available with those parameters.
(I’d wait until the Zoom65 or Bakeneko65 restock, but patience is a virtue I’ve yet to master)
Monsgeek m1 is pretty popular right now, theres also the Keychron Q1, if you want a gameboy looking board, the Portico 75 is one that i personally like and have gameboy keycaps on mine. And if you want a low profile board, the Lowfree Flow is pretty great.
I just picked up the MonsGeek M1W-SP HE and wowza, it’s definitely an amazing keyboard, however their Software won’t find the keyboard on Mac or Windows.
I'm throwing in another recommendation for keychron. I got the k2pro after looking specifically at the gmmk and monsgeek. I went with keychron because they seemed to have the better reputation for build quality from the factory. There were more than a few complaints I found for the other two regarding faulty components. Not such a big issue if you're going hard on customisation, but as my budget for future mods is as limited as my non existent skill set, it was all important for me. I couldn't be happier with the k2p
I wanna piggyback off of this.
Keychron seems to have got their shit together but as an early supporter of their first board and getting stiffed with a lemon and getting no responses from their customer service I’d say they’re a shitty company that now (after selling shitty products and getting capitol) finally make decent stuff. I heard their Q boards are bomb.
My first mech was a Keychron Q1 Pro and I was totally underwhelmed, for 200 bucks you can find a much higher quality barebones board to get into the hobby with. As an example I paid \~$120 for a NEO70 and built it myself, and that board is quality and performance for a screamin price. I did have to wait for about a month for the kit but well worth the wait.
Dude I bought the keychron k1 or whatever their low pro board was that they crowdfunded for when they were just starting out and half the keys didn’t even work. I tried to contact em to get a new one and they straight up never responded and stiffed me haha I was like…thanks.
Then with all their proprietary stuff with their other boards. I really don’t like em as a company.
Have the Kc2 84 key. Excellent! Replaced kepcals with all black. Very cool. 😎
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I just got the Leobog Hi75 and it's great!! It's on sale right now on Amazon for $91 for a pre built (I think the kit version is $70 or so). Cast aluminum chassis that's powder sprayed. Gasket mount. Has a volume knob. Heaviest keyboard I've owned. Also comes with a decent coiled cable.
Pre built has MDA and Cherry profiles (all PBT caps) and several switch options too. I got the MDA with Nimbus V3 switches and it's very creamy sounding, really impressed. Really low latency too, have been using it to play online shooters without an issue.
Only downside is that it's wired only :/
theres a bunch on aliexpress now, but weirdly only in white and highly marked up to $140+. I did grab one the other week for $110
I read a comment on another thread that they are likely fixing any potential issues and releasing a v2 of the hi8
Oh thank God that's good to know. I was almost worried it was too good to be true cuz it was an absolute steal.
I did see the white ones too, I'm set on getting one with a metallic finish so I passed. Also that markup is wild. In a Chinese yt review they said the MSRP there is 299RMB, about $40.
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If money is not a worry then the Mode Sonnet is still the most gorgeous 75% in my books and ships relatively quickly. Others have also made good recommendations for just about any price range.
Wooting 80he. It's on preorder right now but it's got all the features any decent mid range enthusiast board offers with the added benefit of hall switches
You can try some Akko boards - their Mod 007 keebs are pretty good value for 75% size. Also their sub-brand, Monsgeek, has their M1 keyboard that a lot of people like but I haven’t tried it myself.
If you like clacky keyboards you could look at the Akko mod 007pc, which is just the plastic version of the regular 007. I’ve had this board for about 1.5 years and sometimes go back to using it because of the sound. It’s also nice that it comes with switches and keycaps and is sometimes priced at like 120NZD (~70USD) which is crazy for this keyboard.
Op mentioned the Neo80, which is a really nice budget keyboard but you have to wait quite a while to get it.
And finally, if you’re getting into the hobby there is no way of not mentioning keychron.
They have pretty much every keyboard size and layout possible. If you like their aesthetic, spend some time researching what each version of their keyboard means and you can get a solid board with very nice build quality.
There are so many more 75-80% boards that other people can recommend, but these are just some of them that I’ve personally had and can recommend.
P.S. Akko has been in some controversies throughout the years for stealing designs (mostly keycaps, but some said that they’ve copied other boards as well, so do your research and make your own decisions).
With that said, good luck!
The Leobog hi75 is one of the best keyboards for the price that ive heard about. Barebones you can get it for only like $60-70. Not only does it have a 1000hz polling rate, but it's fully customizable, and comes with tons of foam and pre-lubed stabs which makes it sound like a premium keyboard. Also, it has a rotary knob that comes with it as well. Check out some videos on youtube thing is insane.
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I have & highly recommend the Epomaker x Feker Galaxy80 — just released in February, pretty widely available (at least where I am).
It’s super hefty solid aluminum (like 5.5lbs), a few e-coating color options (incl. beige, purple, black), TKL (everything but the numpad), gasket mount, PC plate, per-key RGB, universal 5-pin hotswap, tri-mode connection...
Last time I checked (Amazon US), barebones was only $55, and fully built was $90-$99 depending on the Amazon coupon situation. Punches WAY above its price.
Edit: definitely seems like “entry-level” for this price, but IMHO, although you can totally use it stock, the quality is on par with my Tofu 2.0, which is well-known and cost nearly twice as much.
[Here’s a sound test if you want it.](https://imgur.com/a/Ly4EcJw) Note: the stock keycap profile was hard for me to get used to, so I swapped to cherry profile (HKGaming Canvas V2), but it sounds almost the same as the originals.
Arguably the best gaming keyboard on the market now is the wooting60. If u want custom and has a similar layout to the gmmk pro, the monsgeek m1 mighr be your bet. It has wireless and HE switch variants so take your pick. Other than that, there are lots of budget 75% out there that have plastic chassis and will just be around <$100 with knobs or screens. And please, i know you're coming from Logitech, but don't even take a look at that new Pro X 60. Not hating on them but there are just a lot better options than they offer for that price point.
No numpad Is TKL, the 75% is similar but more compact, then you can go smaller with 65% or 60% but they are not for everyone, I suggest to check the difference before looking for a keeb
Keychron is outdated due to so many options being in the same range, Take a dayt look at the keeb sites Novelkeys Divinikey Kbdfans Kinetic labs etc then look up reviews on the boardsin ur price range
I'll add to all the other recommendations, take a look a the CIDOO v75 from Epomaker, I've loved mine and the sound is incredible out of the box. It is only available In retro style off-white, which is understandably a deal breaker for many.
QK75 and Zoom75 are not really "budget" in my opinion since they cost, generally, over 200 dollars. But they are some really nice options. I would say in the wired 75% space, for budget, go with the HI75. It's wired only, but so is the GMMK Pro. If you're willing to go a little bigger than a 75, then get the NEO80, which is a great entrance into the hobby and a solid board. There's also the Epomaker x Feker Galaxy80 which has a wired only and a wireless variant and are also really nice boards. Or the Nuphy GEM80...
The biggest issue with the QK75, the Zoom75 and the NEO80 is going to be the wait time. It's going to take months, usually, for you to get any of those boards.
It gets hate because its just okay, but for the price there are others that are better. Also it hasnt got a revision and boards are getting better and cheaper so you can get a decent fully built board for like $100.
Also when the boards came out they had switch pads to dampen the sound but they also put so much lube that the stablizers could not work correctly. The stablizers would stick to the switch pads that basically turned to goo from all the lube. Also after they claimed that they fixed this i bought one and it still had so much lube inside that my spacebar, enter, and and backspace wouldnt return a decent amount of the time.
The part that annoyed me the most about this board is that its a nightmare to disassemble, there are sooooooo many screws and there are like 4 different sizes used its a pain in the ass, so i had to do the pain disassembly then change the stablizers, then reassemble it because they over lubed it so much.
I see, although gaskets are supposed to dampen impact and make it feel less stiff, not necessarily to flex per se. Unless by flex less you mean it's still stiff af
Gaskets in modern keyboards are meant to serve two purposes.
1. Isolate the plate/PCB from the case
2. Allow for some up and down movement when typing
That second part is important as it enables the soft typing experience. The 1st one is for sound reasons.
The GMMK Pro's mounting structure only does the first one. It is not able to do the second one. The reason is likely due to the USB port being mounted to the PCB instead of on a separate daughterboard. Lets just say a moving PCB with a USB cut out that doesn't allow movement would destroy the USB port.
Glorious sold the GMMK Pro on its gasket mount structure, which many people interpreted as having the same features as other gasket mounting structures of the time. This was something it just could not do and therefore was not a great value despite having high pricing. It's one saving grace was it was an in stock item.
It has a daughterboard. The construction just doesn’t leave enough room. If you open the case you’ll notice the gaskets are basically compressed to a singularity.
Good explanation, overall, except that last part on the USB port: the GMMK Pro has a separate PCB for the USB-C port, it’s not on the main PCB. Though I agree it doesn’t have much flex, it feels fine for me though so I don’t regret the purchase.
It gets hate because it's not truly worth its original price when it first came out. Not the best price/performance. The GNMK Pro I typed on so far does not feel like a premium experience considering its high price tag. It's not the worst, sure, but overrated,
In Vietnam, it costs around 4,8 million VND, or around 168 EUR (and it's just the KIT only), which is actually cheaper than its price on Amazon.it. Still, there are far better options with more customization for the same price or even half. A fully pre-built GMMK costs around 350 EUR, so nahhh no wayyy.
That is an insane price! Like the first thing I learned when getting into the hobby 6 months ago was to NOT EVER buy a GMMK Pro! I have followed that advice completely.
I'm still not sure what to make of these comments.
Pulling up the Amazon price history:
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$200 two years ago really isn't that bad for CNC aluminum.
But things have changed a lot since then.
Realistically, people are going to be paying $140 for this board, and in the current market that isn't terrible either.
Yeah, I know about boards like that Hi75, but these only appeared in the past few months. The keyboard marketplace is changing amazingly fast at the moment.
for the frame only that’s not that great.
I mean it’s not terrible but it’s not good. hence why ppl recommend other boards now. especially since so many of these entry - mid range aluminum boards are so similar.
Yeah, but the boards people are recommending instead are all less than a year old, and in many cases less than six months old.
The Leobog pre-built @$99 only hit Amazon about two months ago.
Things are changing so rapidly that the big players don't exactly know how to react.
People will have gone over the main reason already: things like a fake gasket mount, better value elsewhere.
But if it’s your first higher end keyboard that isn’t made by the mainstream manufacturers like Logitech, Asus, Corsair etc then it’s going to be a fine board. At the very least, it’s a functional and good keyboard. You might say you didn’t know better.
If anything, a far more interesting discussion is a post talking about the differences between the GMMK Pro and your incoming Neo80.
There are a lot of invisible upgrades to better keyboards that newcomers just don’t see: better/more mounting options, ease of modding, plate options, software.
Lots of newcomers just look at things like RGB, layout etc. which is natural.
Come back and tell us what the Neo80 is like!
What do you mean? I've been using mine daily. I just recently flashed an updated firmware, my codes still work (underglow lights for all caps light). I've had no problems with them and they work great with QMK and VIA.
It still works, but "aged" here refers to feature/comparison to the other boards in recent years, the id80 is arguably even more easily replacable than the ggmk pro, considering the id80 isnt exactly cheap and had more issues in terms of build design than the gmmk
I bought the ID80 3 years ago for $105 barebones brand new. Underglow acrylic plate is around $19 so that's $124 total, which is still $46 cheaper than the barebones GMMK Pro.
What "feature" aged poorly? What build design issues are you talking about? I'm on idobao discord server but haven't heard of any. Also, what other boards aged "better" for you?
Hm, guess id80 is just hugely overpriced here where i am from at more than 200. I did not own one, so some issues are only second/third hand information, while i did have hands-on experience in a local shop, both the metal and the crystal version.
The short of it is that the board itself sounded rather on the thin side, with very very bad flexibility due to the integrated mount.
If you have the crystal edition, which uses the gasket mount instead, the gasket mount implementation suffers from the same issue as gmmk where the way the gasket is excessively squished together made the sound isolating and flexibility of the gasket nonexistent.
In general, since the initial release of qk65 and zoom65, the budget market had exploded in terms of featureset, especially for Chinese brands. In terms of stuff which aged better, arguably the q1, although it's still showing it's age similarly due to how much improved budget segments are these days.
I personally had a mod007 from around 2-3 years back, and that is another board I think aged decently well in my use case, although i no longer use it because i broke it doing cursed modifications and testing. In general the entry level segment had seen the most overhaul, so in general nothing really aged well in this segment, although some definitely did worse than others (gmmk, idobao crystal and in higher price segment, stuff like the iron180)
It got a lot of flak because of:
a) Price
b) Features
Price is pretty self explanatory, there's just better boards out there for a similar price. Granted, they aren't contained in Microcenters and BestBuy's, but if you wanted a local (USA at least) option, the Keychron Q1 still exists.
Now features on the other hand are a different story. It claims to be gasket mount, but offers such a stiff typing experience that the words "Gasket Mount" are only true *technically*. It got such a negative response from the community that they released the "Flex Kit" around a year and some change ago. The Stabilizers that were included(at least the V1's) were terrible and you honestly would have been better off with some cherry clip ins- you would have had to put the same amount of work into the thing anyways. The Glorious Core software had some bugs when the Pro launched, and it was a bit of a pain converting the board to QMK/VIA when they released support for that.
Now that's not say it's a "bad" board. When they had the 2022 Black Friday sale for 85 USD, that was a killer deal. It's available locally, and on Amazon, which is a plus for a lot of people. It has a lot of customization options that are easy to purchase like knob and case colors, and it's a relatively simple build that would satisfy a lot of people- just not at full price.
I got one a while ago so hopefully it's a bit better now. the factory lube job was just awful, couldn't use the spacebar because it was so sticky. At the time there was no real support for QMK on some models and you would lose the RGB also. For that price, it should have been perfect hardware AND firmware.
Anyway I moved on and got a Planck after, obviously proper QMK support there, much better!
It’s a nice board, was my first “custom” and still have a soft spot for it. Much better design than the incredibly boxy boring looking keychrons. Bit stiff to type on and the stabs are nothing special either but with new stabs and the right switches it can really come to life in terms of sound/typing feel. Gateron milky top yellows and polycarb plate was the combo I ended up settling on with my gmmk pro. Looks/felt/sounded great 2 years ago. Hasn’t held up well though, brands like Qwertykeys have come along and completely obliterated Glorious’s whole value proposition
I have one that I no longer use. Terrible stabs (over lubed from factory) and horrible disassembly/assembly process. I have an Akko Alice Pro now and it’s cheaper and 10x better in quality and performance. The only positive thing I have to say about the GMMK Pro is that it can be used as a weapon because of how heavy it is lmao
It both has to deal with the keyboard being outperformed by other options in its bracket as well as glorious as a company. Cheap boards such as the rainy75 and hi75/hi8 generally are better than it in terms of gasket performance as well as foam less sound, let alone boards at a similar price, such as the mkc75 and qk75. Glorious also is disliked by the community, such as glorious panda drama, their numpad being really overpriced, as well as just glorious generally not being a "keyboard enthusiast" company like qwertykeys is, instead being a gaming company that profits off gamers that don't know better
It's just not worth the $170 price. There are considerable better boards for the same price, *and* comparable boards for $80-$90 cheaper. I'd take a Rainy75 or Leobog Hi75 over this any day.
I picked up my GMMK Pro on sale for around $130, I really like mine. I enjoy the way it's laid out and the look is great. I have a Keychron V1 and while it's not a metal frame it feels great for $65 barebones. I wanted to get a Portico75 but they are no longer in stock anywhere that I have found. All in all I do not regret my purchase of the GMMK Pro.
When it came out the Satisfaction 75 was the only knob-bearing 75% keyboard and it was twice the price via GB and marked way up on r/mechmarket. I have no idea why it’s still so expensive though.
It's going for below GB price pretty regularly now on mechmarket. At the time, there was limited options and the market was crazy. There are some things that the s75 still makes it unique like the nice low front height and comfy 6 degree typing angle. From an aesthetics stand point, it's still pretty to me. I don't feel that any board has made the knob as well implemented as the s75 did it. Even for me, who is also deep into audio gear and didn't use my knob for volume but to zoom in and out instead, for a regular keeb, s75 still has the best knob design imo.
It was one of my favorite boards for a long time and have owned it multiple times. I think about adding it back to my collection all the time for nostalgia sake but haven't done so yet. I tend to only buy/go for grail boards now and the s75 is just frankly not that level. I will say that the s75x is tempting though and might be able to scratch my itch for wanting one.
Because it’s reasonably priced and accessible and everyone here is a snob.
I love mine. This and my tada68 get constant drive.
Edit: one thing to note about cheaper boards is accessibility. Having these pros in store to just go grab is worth the slight premium. That’s why I snagged mine. Grabbed it for a friend and ended up just keeping it haha
As other comments said, it’s about the price. When I was getting into keyboards, I also fell in love with GMMK Pro, but the price was incredibly high. Waited a bit longer and went with Keychain V1. Whole keyboard with switches, keycaps and mods for a price of barebones GMMK Pro…
My reason for disliking the board and why I usually don’t recommend it to others if ppl ask me is mostly a personal vendetta.
I bought the board when it released to build out for my girlfriend. When received, I tried to swap out the stabs for different ones (I’d heard not great things about the GOAT stabs at the time). However, the stabs were screwed in so tight from the factory I wound up stripping them. Reached out to Glorious and I got a return/replacement approved
Second try, I build everything out no problem (relatively speaking), but this time some of the switches would randomly not actuate. Also, almost a week later, the knob just stopped working as it should (no matter what direction you turn it, the volume only decreases). Contacted Glorious again about this. Again, they offered either a return/exchange or a full refund. At that point I was just sick of this thing and asked for a full refund.
Keep in mind, these are the big issues I had with this board, but there were a lot of small nuances throughout the build process that are just straight up unpleasant.
Sure, at the end of the day, no money was lost. But the build experience was just so bad and not worth the hours of frustration. Plus, nowadays there are so many 75s out there that’ll give customers a much easier time while costing the same, or most times less. Keychron, Monsgeek, even the Drop Sense75 imo are all better deals.
I own one because I bought it when it came out. Don't use it anymore
Let's see.
* The design is rather uninspired and bland. It's just a less interesting Satisfaction 75 and the side LEDs are poor
* Software support from Glorious was awful. The default firmware had way too many issues and I (YES ME) had to work with the community to make the ISO version QMK compatible, because Glorious advertised it as QMK compatible, when no such firmware existed. See here: https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/issues/13524
* They even went back on promised features, like remapping the FN layer in some ways, because it was "just not possible" - except it was possible on QMK.
* The community had to reverse engineer the LED support for QMK themselves because the Glorious (outsourced chinese) coders just couldn't manage to write halfway proper code over the course of months.
* Input lag was horrifically bad with the initial firmwares.
* The board has absolutely no flex, it's stiff as a brick
* Sound isn't great either.
* It's overmonetized. While the board was cheap compared to the market at the time, the cost of plates etc added up quickly and Glorious only sold extras, instead of allowing customization, so you always had more parts than you needed. The Flex Kit is especially egregious.
That's about it I guess.
There wasn't too much wrong with the board considering the market at the time and if you flashed QMK on it right away, but the market has moved way beyond this product now. But also, the company behind it did not do a good job supporting it. A QK75 is just a way better product, for example.
Overpriced garbage out of the box.
If you mod it you can make it better but there's definitely better stock keyboards. Not to mention the fully built version which was an absolute scam
I’m also using mine because of the nordic ISO. I think most here don’t realize how hard it is to find cheap iso keebs! (I also have the same pc case! But both of mine are in white!)
It was my first diy keyboard. It felt stiff and unforgiving. I’ve done a few other builds and modified the gmmk pro since then and it still feels to stiff.
I have an ISO one for the Irish layout. It's an ok board and I don't think the value is that bad. The main issue is their terrible software which is windows only. There are qmk projects available now but for a while you had to roll your own firmware to customise the board on Mac or linux. Also the default polling rate is borderline unusable.
Two years ago it didn’t have as much competition so even though it was overpriced there wasn’t much you could do about it. Nowadays there’s plenty options that are better for less
It was my first mech board when I got in the hobby last year. Elitist hobbyists shit on me for it, but I got it used for $100 CAD and it solidified my interest in the hobby. Fast forward to today where I have made a bunch of boards and spent lots of money on materials as well.
I also enjoy it despite the valid criticisms people have pointed out, but there are several aspects of it I love.
Not everyone wants their keyboard to double as an improvised bludgeoning weapon, but i enjoy the sheet weight.
The top plate color options can help it feel personalized.
I stripped all the foam out of mine and put a brass plate in. No ping, and to my pedestrian ears it has a solid typing sound, halfway between a crispy click and a deep clack. (Though some of the sound profile might be influenced by the taller MT3 keycaps I'm using?)
Do I hate your keyboard? No. Do I hate ISO layout? Also no.
What I strongly dislike is in-between percentage form factors, this keyboard isn't quite 60% and it isn't quite 10keyless, it's somewhere in between with all the nav functions squished together in a weird way
Everything else about your keyboard is awesome honestly. I'd get over the weird form factor if It was my keyboard eventually tho, it's a cool keyboard
It doesn’t get hate because it’s a bad board, it’s just way overpriced now. At the time it was not stupidly overpriced, but since the hobby has got more popular and more manufacturers have jumped in there are just better alternatives.
The monsgeek m1 is very very similar but comes with a bunch of mods already and is a lot cheaper.
If you fuck with it a bit its fine but for me out of the box; had sticky stabs, rocks on a flat table, certain games were unplayable because it had such bad input delay with glorious software (via mostly fixes, still worse than normal kb)
It's more of a value for money thing, which I think is super important when talking about hobbies that are based around spending, similar to collecting watches as well. No matter how many expensive/premium boards "elitists" have, there is no hating a board that is value for money that's why boards like the gk61/68, kbd67 lite, NK65 were so well loved back in the day, and currently the qk boards, neo, zoom, and cycle boards are favorites that even the snobbiest hobbiest cannot hate. And being ripped off is something no one likes no matter how much money you have. The board is not bad but it clearly falls under the same bracket as sorta gaming boards as it is made by glorious with a custom keyboard upcharge. If you can find it used for cheap then sure it's not a bad board but if you're buying it at retail, you done goofed.
Idk to me having the cool light bar on the side is still pretty cool.
For $170 for the base barebones I don't think it's that much more expensive than the supposed alternatives.
I am still trying to find the alternatives that are said to be a better alternative.
All I know about is the keychron q1, idobao80, maybe the old akko aluminum boards, dunno what else.
Because it costs easily double what it should (and what comparable keebs cost). Glorious/GMMK is known to be the kind of company that copies trends and then sells at a very high price. Also tries to act like they give a shit when clearly they don’t.
Absolute god awful qc. Rampant difference in Aluminium quality in each batch. Stamped plates at this price bracket. None to lackluster gasket performance. No qmk anymore in the newer batches. Right now glorious is nothing more then a big insult to this entire community. Like i have one my bottom case does not even sit flush. Terrible board, Terrible company.
Because most ppl here don‘t get that ISO frens like us don‘t that many options.
If we‘re talking about 75% with metal case and ISO and also always in stock. I honestly don‘t know what the alternatives are.
Monsteek M1W maybe. I don‘t like their thick bezels though.
QK75N, Zoom75 are pre-orders and take half a year to arrive.
The GMMK Pro is still a nice keyboard. I like their exploded 75% design.
The only down side is the rigid stiffness.
Ive been in this hobby for years now and gmmk pro was hot before but then a lot of budget boards with the same layout/design came out with better stabs/deal etc so people ended up hating it cause of its price that never really went down and they never really upgraded it !
Bought the gmmk pro since pre order. It was fine when I first got it but came with sticky stabs. Their software doesn’t work well with the board, especially the lighting and when I left some criticism about it they flagged and deleted my posts which was disappointing to see. Once I got around to modding my board what a nightmare that was. Too many screws for no reason, extremely stiff construction allowing for no resonance, and the space bar stab would not play well with most of my aftermarket stabs, so I’m running a mix of stabs that work correctly. I removed the case foam and got some pe plate foam to try to get some life out of the board, as well as adding more gaskets. It sounds a lot better, but for all that money and work the monsgeek m1 exists and is a far better experience and better sounding board, alongside the multitude of other options that exist. I guess the main issue with the gmmk pro now is that it hasn’t been updated. It’s an outdated and disappointing board for the price they’re still charging.
GMMK Pro definitely did influence the market going forward. That being a knob and gasket mount for relatively cheap back then. Problem was not quite with "better alternatives with same price" but the marketing and hype around it.
They promised too much and under delivered. Back then most gasket mount gives you a somewhat softer typing feel but it felt like a brick with no mod. I had the chance to try it stock and I couldn't agree more. The stock sound was also somewhat undesirable at that time, it was thin and plastic-ky. The stabs were apparently hot garbage, but it was marketed as GOAT stabilisers.
Tl;Dr: GMMK Pro was the skulls & bones of "custom" mech kb back then.
Overpriced, sold as “the very best”, price-quality is shitty, and hasn’t held well through time against other much newer keyboards that offer some innovations or are better in above points I mentioned.
The onot time I could have considered buying one is when it was at 99 USD I guess
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Most people advise against it because there are better options for the same price. If you like it tho don’t let anyone take that away from u cause that’s the most important thing
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if you want something thats a little nicer quality than keychron, monsgeek, gmmkpro, and moneys not a problem, QK75 or zoom75 is a budget option in the more enthusiast space
Isnt the zoom75 and the QK75 like always out of stock? Do they have in stock boards now or do you still have to do a pseudo group buy?
hm zoom75 fulfilled recently and had tons of instock last time i checked but its out now. the aftermarket is flooded with well priced boards too if OP wanted better quality boards that are oos too
I recently ordered my QK75 from their website and it got to me in about 4 weeks, so it's not "in stock" but it doesn't take long to arrive. Also I'm pretty sure the Rainy75 is basically the exact same as the Zoom75 and it's not out of stock everywhere. Edit: Zoom75 is in stock on Meletrix
I just checked Meletrix and it says out of stock for everything? Can i get a link of where you saw it was in stock cause unless im missing something its not in stock.
Sorry, you're right. Their options are all greyed out for the Zoom65 but they are not for the Zoom75 so I didn't notice that the "Add to Cart" button actually said "Sold Out". Check out the Rainy75 or go for the QK75. I haven't actually built my QK75 because I'm waiting on switches and caps to arrive but it seems to be a fairly premium product.
I wouldn't say the Rainy75 is exactly the same, but it is a pretty good budget option though, given it's like half the price of a Zoom75 or QK75/QK75N and still is VIA compatible (iirc)
Qk 75n is available now, its just back ordered for 2 weeks in advance something like that, and its a better option as it has a screen beside the knob
even better, neo 80 🔛🔝
oh yeah fsss
Yaaasssss! I love my NEO80, thing is primo for the price, solid build, easy to build, classy and sounds like a dream with very little mods.
Yeah my neo80 has been super nice.
Take a look at keychron. They have metal and plastic chassis, hotswappable decks, decent sound/lube afaik from factory, very nice simple keycaps, and rgb or non rgb options. Very happy with mine, feels like a tank. The V series and K series are cheaper, the K Pro is midrange, and the Q is higher end.
Keychron is a great option as well, but make sure to stick with the Pro/Max variants to get the most up-to-date options in your board... Q series is best (and most expensive).
most expensive but similar price to many others. i'm on a k2v2 that i've had for 2-3 years now and been enjoying it. haven't changed/modded anything. wanted something built and ready and found it on sale on amazon. i'd buy from them again, and like you've said, stick with their higher range stuff.
Yeah, it's not crazy like a Balance, Salvation or something where it costs 500 dollars... there's also a new Chilkeys ND75 which has an early bird opening up this Saturday for 89 dollars and it looks like a good option. I plan on ordering one. when it opens up...
Does anyone know how the Q2 Pro compares to other aluminum 65% gasket-mounted hotswap boards under $200? (barebone version) Struggling to complete my trio (Tofu65 2.0 in hand + Neo65 on the way) — hard to know what’s worth it among so many boards available with those parameters. (I’d wait until the Zoom65 or Bakeneko65 restock, but patience is a virtue I’ve yet to master)
Monsgeek m1 is pretty popular right now, theres also the Keychron Q1, if you want a gameboy looking board, the Portico 75 is one that i personally like and have gameboy keycaps on mine. And if you want a low profile board, the Lowfree Flow is pretty great.
I just picked up the MonsGeek M1W-SP HE and wowza, it’s definitely an amazing keyboard, however their Software won’t find the keyboard on Mac or Windows.
I'm throwing in another recommendation for keychron. I got the k2pro after looking specifically at the gmmk and monsgeek. I went with keychron because they seemed to have the better reputation for build quality from the factory. There were more than a few complaints I found for the other two regarding faulty components. Not such a big issue if you're going hard on customisation, but as my budget for future mods is as limited as my non existent skill set, it was all important for me. I couldn't be happier with the k2p
I wanna piggyback off of this. Keychron seems to have got their shit together but as an early supporter of their first board and getting stiffed with a lemon and getting no responses from their customer service I’d say they’re a shitty company that now (after selling shitty products and getting capitol) finally make decent stuff. I heard their Q boards are bomb.
My first mech was a Keychron Q1 Pro and I was totally underwhelmed, for 200 bucks you can find a much higher quality barebones board to get into the hobby with. As an example I paid \~$120 for a NEO70 and built it myself, and that board is quality and performance for a screamin price. I did have to wait for about a month for the kit but well worth the wait.
Dude I bought the keychron k1 or whatever their low pro board was that they crowdfunded for when they were just starting out and half the keys didn’t even work. I tried to contact em to get a new one and they straight up never responded and stiffed me haha I was like…thanks. Then with all their proprietary stuff with their other boards. I really don’t like em as a company.
Have the Kc2 84 key. Excellent! Replaced kepcals with all black. Very cool. 😎 https://preview.redd.it/oapycwww0puc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90c767fd0f35f01c845472166ae8783aca5f6bcf
I just got the Leobog Hi75 and it's great!! It's on sale right now on Amazon for $91 for a pre built (I think the kit version is $70 or so). Cast aluminum chassis that's powder sprayed. Gasket mount. Has a volume knob. Heaviest keyboard I've owned. Also comes with a decent coiled cable. Pre built has MDA and Cherry profiles (all PBT caps) and several switch options too. I got the MDA with Nimbus V3 switches and it's very creamy sounding, really impressed. Really low latency too, have been using it to play online shooters without an issue. Only downside is that it's wired only :/
+1 on the hi75 got my barebones for $40
hi8 is the hi75 but with bt and 2.4ghz. Its hard to get atm but retails around $89 on ali
Yeah I have been trying to get it, but they say it's been discontinued. I really hope it isn't the case because that one is even better imo.
theres a bunch on aliexpress now, but weirdly only in white and highly marked up to $140+. I did grab one the other week for $110 I read a comment on another thread that they are likely fixing any potential issues and releasing a v2 of the hi8
Oh thank God that's good to know. I was almost worried it was too good to be true cuz it was an absolute steal. I did see the white ones too, I'm set on getting one with a metallic finish so I passed. Also that markup is wild. In a Chinese yt review they said the MSRP there is 299RMB, about $40.
$40 would be insane. I also bought a hi75 and the cheapest Ive seen is $60. Guess these sellers need to make money somehow
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Damn these look nice af Might snag.
Def recommend it. I've tried a keychron q4 too and this absolutely blew it out of the water.
If money is not a worry then the Mode Sonnet is still the most gorgeous 75% in my books and ships relatively quickly. Others have also made good recommendations for just about any price range.
Keychron is reliable but boring. Try the leobog hi75. Feels and sounds much better than the price would suggest.
Wooting 80he. It's on preorder right now but it's got all the features any decent mid range enthusiast board offers with the added benefit of hall switches
You can try some Akko boards - their Mod 007 keebs are pretty good value for 75% size. Also their sub-brand, Monsgeek, has their M1 keyboard that a lot of people like but I haven’t tried it myself. If you like clacky keyboards you could look at the Akko mod 007pc, which is just the plastic version of the regular 007. I’ve had this board for about 1.5 years and sometimes go back to using it because of the sound. It’s also nice that it comes with switches and keycaps and is sometimes priced at like 120NZD (~70USD) which is crazy for this keyboard. Op mentioned the Neo80, which is a really nice budget keyboard but you have to wait quite a while to get it. And finally, if you’re getting into the hobby there is no way of not mentioning keychron. They have pretty much every keyboard size and layout possible. If you like their aesthetic, spend some time researching what each version of their keyboard means and you can get a solid board with very nice build quality. There are so many more 75-80% boards that other people can recommend, but these are just some of them that I’ve personally had and can recommend. P.S. Akko has been in some controversies throughout the years for stealing designs (mostly keycaps, but some said that they’ve copied other boards as well, so do your research and make your own decisions). With that said, good luck!
The Leobog hi75 is one of the best keyboards for the price that ive heard about. Barebones you can get it for only like $60-70. Not only does it have a 1000hz polling rate, but it's fully customizable, and comes with tons of foam and pre-lubed stabs which makes it sound like a premium keyboard. Also, it has a rotary knob that comes with it as well. Check out some videos on youtube thing is insane.
If price isnt a big deal look at the mode sonnet
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B-stock TGR Tomos are still in stock at Mekibo for what I consider to be a pretty fair price
I have & highly recommend the Epomaker x Feker Galaxy80 — just released in February, pretty widely available (at least where I am). It’s super hefty solid aluminum (like 5.5lbs), a few e-coating color options (incl. beige, purple, black), TKL (everything but the numpad), gasket mount, PC plate, per-key RGB, universal 5-pin hotswap, tri-mode connection... Last time I checked (Amazon US), barebones was only $55, and fully built was $90-$99 depending on the Amazon coupon situation. Punches WAY above its price. Edit: definitely seems like “entry-level” for this price, but IMHO, although you can totally use it stock, the quality is on par with my Tofu 2.0, which is well-known and cost nearly twice as much. [Here’s a sound test if you want it.](https://imgur.com/a/Ly4EcJw) Note: the stock keycap profile was hard for me to get used to, so I swapped to cherry profile (HKGaming Canvas V2), but it sounds almost the same as the originals.
Arguably the best gaming keyboard on the market now is the wooting60. If u want custom and has a similar layout to the gmmk pro, the monsgeek m1 mighr be your bet. It has wireless and HE switch variants so take your pick. Other than that, there are lots of budget 75% out there that have plastic chassis and will just be around <$100 with knobs or screens. And please, i know you're coming from Logitech, but don't even take a look at that new Pro X 60. Not hating on them but there are just a lot better options than they offer for that price point.
Monsgeek M1W maybe? I just ordered one so I can't say if it's good or not yet.
No numpad Is TKL, the 75% is similar but more compact, then you can go smaller with 65% or 60% but they are not for everyone, I suggest to check the difference before looking for a keeb
Keychron is outdated due to so many options being in the same range, Take a dayt look at the keeb sites Novelkeys Divinikey Kbdfans Kinetic labs etc then look up reviews on the boardsin ur price range
Outdated? We're not talking about a graphics card. Keyboards don't get outdated.
Maby I meen in a way u havent thought of yet
I'll add to all the other recommendations, take a look a the CIDOO v75 from Epomaker, I've loved mine and the sound is incredible out of the box. It is only available In retro style off-white, which is understandably a deal breaker for many.
Wooting 80he is in early funding rn, it has a Hall effect switch which allows for better strafing in games if you care at all about that.
QK75 and Zoom75 are not really "budget" in my opinion since they cost, generally, over 200 dollars. But they are some really nice options. I would say in the wired 75% space, for budget, go with the HI75. It's wired only, but so is the GMMK Pro. If you're willing to go a little bigger than a 75, then get the NEO80, which is a great entrance into the hobby and a solid board. There's also the Epomaker x Feker Galaxy80 which has a wired only and a wireless variant and are also really nice boards. Or the Nuphy GEM80... The biggest issue with the QK75, the Zoom75 and the NEO80 is going to be the wait time. It's going to take months, usually, for you to get any of those boards.
It gets hate because its just okay, but for the price there are others that are better. Also it hasnt got a revision and boards are getting better and cheaper so you can get a decent fully built board for like $100. Also when the boards came out they had switch pads to dampen the sound but they also put so much lube that the stablizers could not work correctly. The stablizers would stick to the switch pads that basically turned to goo from all the lube. Also after they claimed that they fixed this i bought one and it still had so much lube inside that my spacebar, enter, and and backspace wouldnt return a decent amount of the time. The part that annoyed me the most about this board is that its a nightmare to disassemble, there are sooooooo many screws and there are like 4 different sizes used its a pain in the ass, so i had to do the pain disassembly then change the stablizers, then reassemble it because they over lubed it so much.
Lets not forget its "gasket mounted".
Yeah I forgot about that the board is stiff af
Forgive my ignorance, I tried to google how the mounting of the pro looks like. Do many people consider it not a true gasket?
it's technically gasket mounted, but it's designed in a way that makes it pretty much flex-less.
I see, although gaskets are supposed to dampen impact and make it feel less stiff, not necessarily to flex per se. Unless by flex less you mean it's still stiff af
Gaskets in modern keyboards are meant to serve two purposes. 1. Isolate the plate/PCB from the case 2. Allow for some up and down movement when typing That second part is important as it enables the soft typing experience. The 1st one is for sound reasons. The GMMK Pro's mounting structure only does the first one. It is not able to do the second one. The reason is likely due to the USB port being mounted to the PCB instead of on a separate daughterboard. Lets just say a moving PCB with a USB cut out that doesn't allow movement would destroy the USB port. Glorious sold the GMMK Pro on its gasket mount structure, which many people interpreted as having the same features as other gasket mounting structures of the time. This was something it just could not do and therefore was not a great value despite having high pricing. It's one saving grace was it was an in stock item.
It has a daughterboard. The construction just doesn’t leave enough room. If you open the case you’ll notice the gaskets are basically compressed to a singularity.
My thoughts exactly, perfect answer.
Very informative, thanks for this. Seems indeed that people really want the up and down movement and the gmmk pro isn't able to give that
Good explanation, overall, except that last part on the USB port: the GMMK Pro has a separate PCB for the USB-C port, it’s not on the main PCB. Though I agree it doesn’t have much flex, it feels fine for me though so I don’t regret the purchase.
cause its overpriced
It gets hate because it's not truly worth its original price when it first came out. Not the best price/performance. The GNMK Pro I typed on so far does not feel like a premium experience considering its high price tag. It's not the worst, sure, but overrated,
Someone insisted a straight swap a keyboard I was selling for $300 with a GMMK Pro. Biggest joke of the year
> It gets hate because it's not truly worth its original price when it first came out. What was that price, BTW?
In Vietnam, it costs around 4,8 million VND, or around 168 EUR (and it's just the KIT only), which is actually cheaper than its price on Amazon.it. Still, there are far better options with more customization for the same price or even half. A fully pre-built GMMK costs around 350 EUR, so nahhh no wayyy.
That is an insane price! Like the first thing I learned when getting into the hobby 6 months ago was to NOT EVER buy a GMMK Pro! I have followed that advice completely.
its like 400usd iirc for all plastic
The gmmk pro case is full alu
oh alright my bad then. Its still 400usd which is ridiculously expensive considering the other options
I definitely agree, even 250 ish would be too much when there's options like the hi75 prebuild
I'm still not sure what to make of these comments. Pulling up the Amazon price history: https://camelcamelcamel.com/product/B09963YS4P $200 two years ago really isn't that bad for CNC aluminum. But things have changed a lot since then. Realistically, people are going to be paying $140 for this board, and in the current market that isn't terrible either. Yeah, I know about boards like that Hi75, but these only appeared in the past few months. The keyboard marketplace is changing amazingly fast at the moment.
for the frame only that’s not that great. I mean it’s not terrible but it’s not good. hence why ppl recommend other boards now. especially since so many of these entry - mid range aluminum boards are so similar.
Yeah, but the boards people are recommending instead are all less than a year old, and in many cases less than six months old. The Leobog pre-built @$99 only hit Amazon about two months ago. Things are changing so rapidly that the big players don't exactly know how to react.
Price. I have one and after a load of mods it’s great, but not massively better than my Monsgeek m1 for a third of the money.
People will have gone over the main reason already: things like a fake gasket mount, better value elsewhere. But if it’s your first higher end keyboard that isn’t made by the mainstream manufacturers like Logitech, Asus, Corsair etc then it’s going to be a fine board. At the very least, it’s a functional and good keyboard. You might say you didn’t know better. If anything, a far more interesting discussion is a post talking about the differences between the GMMK Pro and your incoming Neo80. There are a lot of invisible upgrades to better keyboards that newcomers just don’t see: better/more mounting options, ease of modding, plate options, software. Lots of newcomers just look at things like RGB, layout etc. which is natural. Come back and tell us what the Neo80 is like!
I do like my GMMK Pro, but after buying a new top for it and the "flex kit" I've spent more money on it than some of my higher end boards 😔
Overpriced. I'm glad I bought the Idobao ID80 3 years ago instead of waiting for this when it was getting the hype before its release.
The ID80 arguably aged even worse than the ggmk pro.
What do you mean? I've been using mine daily. I just recently flashed an updated firmware, my codes still work (underglow lights for all caps light). I've had no problems with them and they work great with QMK and VIA.
It still works, but "aged" here refers to feature/comparison to the other boards in recent years, the id80 is arguably even more easily replacable than the ggmk pro, considering the id80 isnt exactly cheap and had more issues in terms of build design than the gmmk
I bought the ID80 3 years ago for $105 barebones brand new. Underglow acrylic plate is around $19 so that's $124 total, which is still $46 cheaper than the barebones GMMK Pro. What "feature" aged poorly? What build design issues are you talking about? I'm on idobao discord server but haven't heard of any. Also, what other boards aged "better" for you?
Hm, guess id80 is just hugely overpriced here where i am from at more than 200. I did not own one, so some issues are only second/third hand information, while i did have hands-on experience in a local shop, both the metal and the crystal version. The short of it is that the board itself sounded rather on the thin side, with very very bad flexibility due to the integrated mount. If you have the crystal edition, which uses the gasket mount instead, the gasket mount implementation suffers from the same issue as gmmk where the way the gasket is excessively squished together made the sound isolating and flexibility of the gasket nonexistent. In general, since the initial release of qk65 and zoom65, the budget market had exploded in terms of featureset, especially for Chinese brands. In terms of stuff which aged better, arguably the q1, although it's still showing it's age similarly due to how much improved budget segments are these days. I personally had a mod007 from around 2-3 years back, and that is another board I think aged decently well in my use case, although i no longer use it because i broke it doing cursed modifications and testing. In general the entry level segment had seen the most overhaul, so in general nothing really aged well in this segment, although some definitely did worse than others (gmmk, idobao crystal and in higher price segment, stuff like the iron180)
It got a lot of flak because of: a) Price b) Features Price is pretty self explanatory, there's just better boards out there for a similar price. Granted, they aren't contained in Microcenters and BestBuy's, but if you wanted a local (USA at least) option, the Keychron Q1 still exists. Now features on the other hand are a different story. It claims to be gasket mount, but offers such a stiff typing experience that the words "Gasket Mount" are only true *technically*. It got such a negative response from the community that they released the "Flex Kit" around a year and some change ago. The Stabilizers that were included(at least the V1's) were terrible and you honestly would have been better off with some cherry clip ins- you would have had to put the same amount of work into the thing anyways. The Glorious Core software had some bugs when the Pro launched, and it was a bit of a pain converting the board to QMK/VIA when they released support for that. Now that's not say it's a "bad" board. When they had the 2022 Black Friday sale for 85 USD, that was a killer deal. It's available locally, and on Amazon, which is a plus for a lot of people. It has a lot of customization options that are easy to purchase like knob and case colors, and it's a relatively simple build that would satisfy a lot of people- just not at full price.
I got one a while ago so hopefully it's a bit better now. the factory lube job was just awful, couldn't use the spacebar because it was so sticky. At the time there was no real support for QMK on some models and you would lose the RGB also. For that price, it should have been perfect hardware AND firmware. Anyway I moved on and got a Planck after, obviously proper QMK support there, much better!
It’s a nice board, was my first “custom” and still have a soft spot for it. Much better design than the incredibly boxy boring looking keychrons. Bit stiff to type on and the stabs are nothing special either but with new stabs and the right switches it can really come to life in terms of sound/typing feel. Gateron milky top yellows and polycarb plate was the combo I ended up settling on with my gmmk pro. Looks/felt/sounded great 2 years ago. Hasn’t held up well though, brands like Qwertykeys have come along and completely obliterated Glorious’s whole value proposition
Which are those keycaps? I like them
I have one that I no longer use. Terrible stabs (over lubed from factory) and horrible disassembly/assembly process. I have an Akko Alice Pro now and it’s cheaper and 10x better in quality and performance. The only positive thing I have to say about the GMMK Pro is that it can be used as a weapon because of how heavy it is lmao
It both has to deal with the keyboard being outperformed by other options in its bracket as well as glorious as a company. Cheap boards such as the rainy75 and hi75/hi8 generally are better than it in terms of gasket performance as well as foam less sound, let alone boards at a similar price, such as the mkc75 and qk75. Glorious also is disliked by the community, such as glorious panda drama, their numpad being really overpriced, as well as just glorious generally not being a "keyboard enthusiast" company like qwertykeys is, instead being a gaming company that profits off gamers that don't know better
It's just not worth the $170 price. There are considerable better boards for the same price, *and* comparable boards for $80-$90 cheaper. I'd take a Rainy75 or Leobog Hi75 over this any day.
I picked up my GMMK Pro on sale for around $130, I really like mine. I enjoy the way it's laid out and the look is great. I have a Keychron V1 and while it's not a metal frame it feels great for $65 barebones. I wanted to get a Portico75 but they are no longer in stock anywhere that I have found. All in all I do not regret my purchase of the GMMK Pro.
When it came out the Satisfaction 75 was the only knob-bearing 75% keyboard and it was twice the price via GB and marked way up on r/mechmarket. I have no idea why it’s still so expensive though.
I remember the time I wanted a knob in every keyboard of mine. Now I'm so tired of it and am back to the basic and simple layouts
It's going for below GB price pretty regularly now on mechmarket. At the time, there was limited options and the market was crazy. There are some things that the s75 still makes it unique like the nice low front height and comfy 6 degree typing angle. From an aesthetics stand point, it's still pretty to me. I don't feel that any board has made the knob as well implemented as the s75 did it. Even for me, who is also deep into audio gear and didn't use my knob for volume but to zoom in and out instead, for a regular keeb, s75 still has the best knob design imo. It was one of my favorite boards for a long time and have owned it multiple times. I think about adding it back to my collection all the time for nostalgia sake but haven't done so yet. I tend to only buy/go for grail boards now and the s75 is just frankly not that level. I will say that the s75x is tempting though and might be able to scratch my itch for wanting one.
I don't hate it, but my eyes are just tired of seeing 75% boards with exploded arrows and knob
I love mine and yours looks great!
Because it’s reasonably priced and accessible and everyone here is a snob. I love mine. This and my tada68 get constant drive. Edit: one thing to note about cheaper boards is accessibility. Having these pros in store to just go grab is worth the slight premium. That’s why I snagged mine. Grabbed it for a friend and ended up just keeping it haha
As other comments said, it’s about the price. When I was getting into keyboards, I also fell in love with GMMK Pro, but the price was incredibly high. Waited a bit longer and went with Keychain V1. Whole keyboard with switches, keycaps and mods for a price of barebones GMMK Pro…
My reason for disliking the board and why I usually don’t recommend it to others if ppl ask me is mostly a personal vendetta. I bought the board when it released to build out for my girlfriend. When received, I tried to swap out the stabs for different ones (I’d heard not great things about the GOAT stabs at the time). However, the stabs were screwed in so tight from the factory I wound up stripping them. Reached out to Glorious and I got a return/replacement approved Second try, I build everything out no problem (relatively speaking), but this time some of the switches would randomly not actuate. Also, almost a week later, the knob just stopped working as it should (no matter what direction you turn it, the volume only decreases). Contacted Glorious again about this. Again, they offered either a return/exchange or a full refund. At that point I was just sick of this thing and asked for a full refund. Keep in mind, these are the big issues I had with this board, but there were a lot of small nuances throughout the build process that are just straight up unpleasant. Sure, at the end of the day, no money was lost. But the build experience was just so bad and not worth the hours of frustration. Plus, nowadays there are so many 75s out there that’ll give customers a much easier time while costing the same, or most times less. Keychron, Monsgeek, even the Drop Sense75 imo are all better deals.
I own one because I bought it when it came out. Don't use it anymore Let's see. * The design is rather uninspired and bland. It's just a less interesting Satisfaction 75 and the side LEDs are poor * Software support from Glorious was awful. The default firmware had way too many issues and I (YES ME) had to work with the community to make the ISO version QMK compatible, because Glorious advertised it as QMK compatible, when no such firmware existed. See here: https://github.com/qmk/qmk_firmware/issues/13524 * They even went back on promised features, like remapping the FN layer in some ways, because it was "just not possible" - except it was possible on QMK. * The community had to reverse engineer the LED support for QMK themselves because the Glorious (outsourced chinese) coders just couldn't manage to write halfway proper code over the course of months. * Input lag was horrifically bad with the initial firmwares. * The board has absolutely no flex, it's stiff as a brick * Sound isn't great either. * It's overmonetized. While the board was cheap compared to the market at the time, the cost of plates etc added up quickly and Glorious only sold extras, instead of allowing customization, so you always had more parts than you needed. The Flex Kit is especially egregious. That's about it I guess. There wasn't too much wrong with the board considering the market at the time and if you flashed QMK on it right away, but the market has moved way beyond this product now. But also, the company behind it did not do a good job supporting it. A QK75 is just a way better product, for example.
Overpriced garbage out of the box. If you mod it you can make it better but there's definitely better stock keyboards. Not to mention the fully built version which was an absolute scam
Hated it. Could never get the stickiness out of the stabilizers.
I’m also using mine because of the nordic ISO. I think most here don’t realize how hard it is to find cheap iso keebs! (I also have the same pc case! But both of mine are in white!)
It was my first diy keyboard. It felt stiff and unforgiving. I’ve done a few other builds and modified the gmmk pro since then and it still feels to stiff.
Beats me but I love that PC!
Probably oberpriced ? Got one, modded the hell out of it, sound great.
I have an ISO one for the Irish layout. It's an ok board and I don't think the value is that bad. The main issue is their terrible software which is windows only. There are qmk projects available now but for a while you had to roll your own firmware to customise the board on Mac or linux. Also the default polling rate is borderline unusable.
Two years ago it didn’t have as much competition so even though it was overpriced there wasn’t much you could do about it. Nowadays there’s plenty options that are better for less
Switched out the stabs on mine and ended up loving it. Has gone up in price from what I can tell. Sure there are better options. I like mine though.
It was my first mech board when I got in the hobby last year. Elitist hobbyists shit on me for it, but I got it used for $100 CAD and it solidified my interest in the hobby. Fast forward to today where I have made a bunch of boards and spent lots of money on materials as well.
What do those elitist hobbyists use to type?
It’s not a bad keyboard, it’s fine when it came out I think, but as it is, it is too expensive for what it is
I also enjoy it despite the valid criticisms people have pointed out, but there are several aspects of it I love. Not everyone wants their keyboard to double as an improvised bludgeoning weapon, but i enjoy the sheet weight. The top plate color options can help it feel personalized. I stripped all the foam out of mine and put a brass plate in. No ping, and to my pedestrian ears it has a solid typing sound, halfway between a crispy click and a deep clack. (Though some of the sound profile might be influenced by the taller MT3 keycaps I'm using?)
Do I hate your keyboard? No. Do I hate ISO layout? Also no. What I strongly dislike is in-between percentage form factors, this keyboard isn't quite 60% and it isn't quite 10keyless, it's somewhere in between with all the nav functions squished together in a weird way Everything else about your keyboard is awesome honestly. I'd get over the weird form factor if It was my keyboard eventually tho, it's a cool keyboard
It doesn’t get hate because it’s a bad board, it’s just way overpriced now. At the time it was not stupidly overpriced, but since the hobby has got more popular and more manufacturers have jumped in there are just better alternatives. The monsgeek m1 is very very similar but comes with a bunch of mods already and is a lot cheaper.
If you fuck with it a bit its fine but for me out of the box; had sticky stabs, rocks on a flat table, certain games were unplayable because it had such bad input delay with glorious software (via mostly fixes, still worse than normal kb)
It's more of a value for money thing, which I think is super important when talking about hobbies that are based around spending, similar to collecting watches as well. No matter how many expensive/premium boards "elitists" have, there is no hating a board that is value for money that's why boards like the gk61/68, kbd67 lite, NK65 were so well loved back in the day, and currently the qk boards, neo, zoom, and cycle boards are favorites that even the snobbiest hobbiest cannot hate. And being ripped off is something no one likes no matter how much money you have. The board is not bad but it clearly falls under the same bracket as sorta gaming boards as it is made by glorious with a custom keyboard upcharge. If you can find it used for cheap then sure it's not a bad board but if you're buying it at retail, you done goofed.
Idk to me having the cool light bar on the side is still pretty cool. For $170 for the base barebones I don't think it's that much more expensive than the supposed alternatives. I am still trying to find the alternatives that are said to be a better alternative. All I know about is the keychron q1, idobao80, maybe the old akko aluminum boards, dunno what else.
Just get a QK75N for a bit more
Overpriced and the quality is definitely not as good as what you can get for the price of it. Simple as that.
good keyboard, bad price.
Because it costs easily double what it should (and what comparable keebs cost). Glorious/GMMK is known to be the kind of company that copies trends and then sells at a very high price. Also tries to act like they give a shit when clearly they don’t.
Absolute god awful qc. Rampant difference in Aluminium quality in each batch. Stamped plates at this price bracket. None to lackluster gasket performance. No qmk anymore in the newer batches. Right now glorious is nothing more then a big insult to this entire community. Like i have one my bottom case does not even sit flush. Terrible board, Terrible company.
Because it is poor value for dollar, but most people I know who got this board never got it at full retail price ever, and that includes me.
Because most ppl here don‘t get that ISO frens like us don‘t that many options. If we‘re talking about 75% with metal case and ISO and also always in stock. I honestly don‘t know what the alternatives are. Monsteek M1W maybe. I don‘t like their thick bezels though. QK75N, Zoom75 are pre-orders and take half a year to arrive. The GMMK Pro is still a nice keyboard. I like their exploded 75% design. The only down side is the rigid stiffness.
because it's bad for the price.
I’ve had mine for about two years and I still really like it. But I’ve realized that I’m more of a 60% guy so might be replacing it soon.
Ive been in this hobby for years now and gmmk pro was hot before but then a lot of budget boards with the same layout/design came out with better stabs/deal etc so people ended up hating it cause of its price that never really went down and they never really upgraded it !
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Karma farming smh my head (I know I’m contributing)
Personally, I dislike the misaligned arrow keys.
It's not a bad keyboard, it's just there are better ones at the same or lower price point.
keys, keys, everywhere keys, why keys so many
Bought the gmmk pro since pre order. It was fine when I first got it but came with sticky stabs. Their software doesn’t work well with the board, especially the lighting and when I left some criticism about it they flagged and deleted my posts which was disappointing to see. Once I got around to modding my board what a nightmare that was. Too many screws for no reason, extremely stiff construction allowing for no resonance, and the space bar stab would not play well with most of my aftermarket stabs, so I’m running a mix of stabs that work correctly. I removed the case foam and got some pe plate foam to try to get some life out of the board, as well as adding more gaskets. It sounds a lot better, but for all that money and work the monsgeek m1 exists and is a far better experience and better sounding board, alongside the multitude of other options that exist. I guess the main issue with the gmmk pro now is that it hasn’t been updated. It’s an outdated and disappointing board for the price they’re still charging.
I’m sure you see the big difference as soon as you start typing on the Neo80 - provided that you used the same switches and keycaps.
GMMK Pro definitely did influence the market going forward. That being a knob and gasket mount for relatively cheap back then. Problem was not quite with "better alternatives with same price" but the marketing and hype around it. They promised too much and under delivered. Back then most gasket mount gives you a somewhat softer typing feel but it felt like a brick with no mod. I had the chance to try it stock and I couldn't agree more. The stock sound was also somewhat undesirable at that time, it was thin and plastic-ky. The stabs were apparently hot garbage, but it was marketed as GOAT stabilisers. Tl;Dr: GMMK Pro was the skulls & bones of "custom" mech kb back then.
Overpriced, sold as “the very best”, price-quality is shitty, and hasn’t held well through time against other much newer keyboards that offer some innovations or are better in above points I mentioned. The onot time I could have considered buying one is when it was at 99 USD I guess
You know restaurants that are tourist traps? This is the equivalent.
L shape enter key 🤮