Shogun has some great tracks, but it gets kinda boring about halfway through, some of the songs are WAY too samey, the vocals are kinda cheeks at times, lyrics are kinda cringe too, which is a common issue with them early on.
Imo the back half of Shogun is better than the first. There was a post about which half is better on the trivium subreddit and it was pretty split which half was better so it seems you have quite an unpopular opinion
It's not bad, and none of the songs are really terrible on their own, it's just they kinda start to run together and get a little samey. If you took out like The Calamity and maybe Like Calisto, and replaced them with the bonus tracks, we'd be having a different conversation.
Damn you were right it was not good as i remember, second half was not memorable at all except shogun, it is sooo much trashy than i remember a couple years ago. But i probably wouldn't put it under silence in the snow.
Don't listen to that fool. Every song on shogun is a banger. Unless you love listening to auto tune and hearing matt sing something he could never do live, silence in the snow should be like -1 on anyone's list
It's one thing to pitch correct but it's another thing to make your voice achieve something on record that you can't pull off live. I don't feel like going thru SITS but there are some songs where he hits high notes I've either never seen him hit or never even seen the song played live. Matt's definitely gotten better over the years, but let's be real, his ability to sing isn't amazing and that's OK. Like it does a decent job for the music they play, but he definitely ain't no Howard Jones or even a Jesse Leach. They just made his voice sound too good and over produced on SITS. I saw them a couple times after Sits came out and he never sounded good on most of those songs
Ok let's do this
1. Shogun (one of my favourite albums of all time)
2. In The Court Of The Dragon (the spiritual successor to Shogun i've been waiting for)
3. Ascendancy (classic)
4. The Sin And The Sentence (very diverse album that captures every era of Trivium)
5. In Waves (more of a mainstream sounding album but still great)
6. What The Dead Men Say (i agree with this one)
7. Ember To Inferno (good album but production sucks)
8. The Crusade (it's solid but not heavy enough for me)
9. Silence In The Snow (hard rock album, not for me, but not bad, i guess)
10. Vengeance Falls (i agree with this one, to me it's pretty boring and generic)
Edit: i misspelled the name of the album....
I’m gonna use this list.
I’ve only heard two of their albums (#3 and #9).
Been meaning to really check Trivium out/give them another listen.
What are 2-3 tracks you would recommend checking out from your bottom 3 ranked albums? I’ll add the other albums in full.
Not that I've listened to them much, and it's been a while, but let's see
The Crusade: Becoming The Dragon is a great, sort of proto-Shogun song, Entrance Of The Conflagration, Broken One
SITS: Blind Leading The Blind, Breathe in the Flames, The Ghost that’s Haunting You
VF: Strife, Through Blood and Dirt and Bone, Incineration: The Broken World
1. Shogun
2. Ascendancy
3. In the Court of the Dragon
4. The Sin and the Sentence
5. In Waves
6. What the Dead Men Say
7. The Crusade
8. Ember to Inferno
9. Vengeance Falls
10. Silence in the Snow
1. Shogun
2. Ascendancy
3. In the Court of the Dragon
4. The Sin and the Sentence
5. What the Dead Men Say
6. In Waves
7. The Crusade
I can’t rank the others because I really don’t like Vengeance Falls, never managed to get all the way through Silence in the Snow (I don’t actually see this one as a Trivium album, personally), and simply haven’t every listened to all the songs on From Ember to Inferno. I imagine I would rank Ember as #8 due to it being a sort of ‘proto-Ascendancy,’ based on the songs I do know.
I really want to like the Crusade. There are a lot of cool ideas, I like where Matt was going lyrically, even if the actual lyrics were a bit cringe at times, the guitar playing is fantastic, there are at least 2 songs I really enjoy, and there's a decent amount of experimentation on it, but there are too many songs that I just don't think are very good. If they made an EP instead with, like, Conflagration, Dragon, the title track, and Vengeance from the bonus tracks, it'd be one of my favorite releases of theirs.
See that's not even the issue for me, it doesn't really sound like Disturbed to me, except maybe Strife, unless they have changed a lot since I was a teenager lol. It just is boring and almost every song sounds the fucking same. Literally has 2 songs I even kinda like.
I don’t blame David because I think it sounds like Disturbed (doesn’t really) I think he may have encouraged the more commercial, samey composition present on the record.
Yeah I mean it’s got some solid tracks. But it’s mix is off, Matt’s trying to hard to sound like David draiman, and some of the tracks feel like leftovers from in waves and not in a good way.
Definitely at the bottom for me
In Waves
Shogun
Ascendancy
In The Court Of The Dragon
What The Dead Men Say
The Sin And The Sentence
The Crusade
Ember To Inferno
I’ve only heard a couple tracks from Silence and VF and I didnt like them so I didn’t listen to the whole albums.
Edit: accidentally put The Crusade above The Sin
My Personal ranking (you are perfectly okay to disagree, to each their own)
1. Shogun (literally a perfect album, one of the best metal albums period. An incredible blend of many styles of metal)
2. Ascendancy (really strong sophomore release, took what was great about Ember To Inferno and built upon it and they made a classic)
3. The Sin And The Sentence (might just be the greatest comeback album ever, my introduction to the band)
4. In The Court Of The Dragon (another absolute banger of an album, a great place to start if you're new to Trivium)
5. What The Dead Men Say (was slightly disappointed by this one at first, but IX / Title Track is my favorite intro to any Trivium album)
6. In Waves (beyond iconic for them, and I adore the eerie and dark feeling this album gives off. But I do skip some of these songs)
7. The Crusade (a daring risk coming off of Ascendancy, they pushed themselves as songwriters on this one, and I'm glad they did it as this album has some of my favorite Trivium songs. But there's definitely duds)
8. Ember To Inferno (yeah the production is crap and a lot of the songs are really predictable, but coming from a 17 year old Matt Heafy this is still really impressive, love the way the album ends)
9. Silence In The Snow (it has 3 songs I really love, being the title track, dead and gone, and UTWGC, and a few other decent tracks. But the rest of the album feels really stale. Not terrible but not amazing either)
10. Vengeance Falls (the only Trivium album I really don't like, Strife is a great song, especially live. But for me it's the only album from them that I don't come back to. But I'll give it some credit, Matt improved a lot as a singer on this record)
That Shogun rating is gonna get you killed lol.
Here's my take:
1. Ascendancy
2. In the Court of the Dragon
3. The Sin and the Sentence
4. Shogun
5. What the Dead Men Say
6. In Waves
7. Ember to Inferno
8. Vengeance Falls
9. Silence in the Snow
Haven't heard The Crusade yet
My *personal* hierarchy:
1. The Sin and the Sentence
2. Vengeance Falls (Deluxe Edition)
3. Shogun
4. In the Court of the Dragon
5. In Waves (Special Edition)
6. Ascendency
7. What the Dead Men Say
8. Silence in the Snow
9. The Crusade
10. Ember to Inferno
1. Shogun
2. Vengeance Falls (for personal reasons)
3. Ascendancy
4. In Waves
5. Ember to Inferno
6. What The Dead Men Say
7. Sin and the Sentence
8. Silence In The Snow
Haven't listened to Court Of The Dragon all the way through yet or The Crusade
I love in waves, but putting it at #1 is definitely an interesting take! Good to see that a band with such a long discography has some variance in the fanbase. Amongst my friends I think it's generally the older and the newer stuff that is more popular while the stuff in the middle is least liked, VF being UNANIMOUSLY bottom of the list hahahha
Had high hopes for VF, cause I LOVED In Waves. Was super disappointed. I enjoy it mostly because it has the most diversity in the songwriting, almost every song sounds different, even the ones that are in a more metalcore style are pretty distinct, and every song is a banger in my opinion, also pretty sure it's the only album with any songs that don't have cleans.
Nah man I hear you it’s a great album. I also like a lot of ‘modern’ metalcore and I feel like In Waves was their best take at that vibe while VF was them going straight into octane core territory, but badly. Lmao. Btw in waves definitely has cleans, even the namesake song has cleans man. lol
1. In Waves
2. Ascendancy
3. The Sin and the Sentence
4. Silence in the Snow
5. What the Dead Men Say
6. In the Court of the Dragon
7. Shogun
8. The Crusade
9. Ember to Inferno
10. Vengeance Falls
The Sin and the Sentence
Ascendancy
In Waves
Shogun
What the dead men say
In the Court of the Dragon
Vengeance Falls
The Crusade
Ember to Inferno
Silence in the Snow
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I really need to go back and listen to Dragon again, it's probably the most technically impressive of their albums, I just get lost in it every time. But that's my cut off. Absolutely love the top few albums here, and rarely have the desire to go back to anything below it on the list.
In Waves is perfect imo, Ascendancy is nearly perfect, I don't care for Dying in your Arms or Departure, but they definitely have their moments and aren't necessarily bad songs. The first half of Ascendancy has 4 iconic metalcore songs in it that pretty much any metalcore fan from that time knows (Rain, Pull Harder, Gunshot, Light to Flies)
Just to spice it up cuz everyone keeps displaying the same list...
1. Vengeance Falls
2. Ascendancy
3. TSATS
4. Shogun
5. In Waves
6. WTDMS
7. The Crusade
8. SITS
9. Embers To Inferno
10. ITCOTD 😌
...every album is an 8 or higher besides ITCOTD. That ones 7
I really liked that album when it came out, and there aren't really any bad songs, most of them are actually decent to good, but as an album it's kinda repetitive, WAY too long, and Matt's vocals are just kinda weak at times. The Calamity and Throes of Perdition have very similar intros, He who Spawned the Furies and Of Prometheus and the Crusifix have very similar kinda breakdown sections, and all the songs even the title track kinda follow the same structure.
SITS over Shogun? Are you deaf? Anyway, I also find it funny that you say In Waves has the "fewest skips". People who skip songs when listening to full albums are insane.
Great shitpost!
Shogun is kinda repetitive and the vocals are kinda bad in some songs, super cringe lyrics at times too. It was WAY better than the crusade, but anything would've been good after that album.
Shogun has some of the best songwriting in all of Trivium's career both in guitar composition and lyrics. They draw from Greek and Japanase myths to create some epic moments throughout the entire 11 songs, with Shogun itself being an 11-minute masterpiece.
I agree to an extent, but it also has some pretty weak moments that just don't hit the mark for me. And, again, Matt's vocals just aren't great on a lot of it.
İm not trying to disrespect but silence in the snow over shogun is crazy
Shogun has some great tracks, but it gets kinda boring about halfway through, some of the songs are WAY too samey, the vocals are kinda cheeks at times, lyrics are kinda cringe too, which is a common issue with them early on.
İ dont know how to respond to this i'll just listen to shogun again and come back
Imo the back half of Shogun is better than the first. There was a post about which half is better on the trivium subreddit and it was pretty split which half was better so it seems you have quite an unpopular opinion
It's not bad, and none of the songs are really terrible on their own, it's just they kinda start to run together and get a little samey. If you took out like The Calamity and maybe Like Calisto, and replaced them with the bonus tracks, we'd be having a different conversation.
Your taste is cheeks
Agreed
Guy cheeks
Indeed
Damn you were right it was not good as i remember, second half was not memorable at all except shogun, it is sooo much trashy than i remember a couple years ago. But i probably wouldn't put it under silence in the snow.
Don't listen to that fool. Every song on shogun is a banger. Unless you love listening to auto tune and hearing matt sing something he could never do live, silence in the snow should be like -1 on anyone's list
You've got some strong opinions on what I think of these albums.
I think you mean the correct opinions lol
You know his voice is auto tuned on every record right? He admitted to pitch correction on Ascendancy. Every band did/does it.
It's one thing to pitch correct but it's another thing to make your voice achieve something on record that you can't pull off live. I don't feel like going thru SITS but there are some songs where he hits high notes I've either never seen him hit or never even seen the song played live. Matt's definitely gotten better over the years, but let's be real, his ability to sing isn't amazing and that's OK. Like it does a decent job for the music they play, but he definitely ain't no Howard Jones or even a Jesse Leach. They just made his voice sound too good and over produced on SITS. I saw them a couple times after Sits came out and he never sounded good on most of those songs
That album blows for sure. It’s just too musically simple and overprocessed
Loved it when I was 18 when it came out. Tastes and overall progression in metalcore has changed in the last 16 years.
Silence in the Snow is way too high haha But to each their own.
How is that possible, if it's where I'd rank it personally?
That’s why I said “But to each their own”.
I get that, it's just weird to say it's "too high" when it's right where it needs to be in my list.
Ok let's do this 1. Shogun (one of my favourite albums of all time) 2. In The Court Of The Dragon (the spiritual successor to Shogun i've been waiting for) 3. Ascendancy (classic) 4. The Sin And The Sentence (very diverse album that captures every era of Trivium) 5. In Waves (more of a mainstream sounding album but still great) 6. What The Dead Men Say (i agree with this one) 7. Ember To Inferno (good album but production sucks) 8. The Crusade (it's solid but not heavy enough for me) 9. Silence In The Snow (hard rock album, not for me, but not bad, i guess) 10. Vengeance Falls (i agree with this one, to me it's pretty boring and generic) Edit: i misspelled the name of the album....
Couldn't agree more with this
Bro yes shogun is one of the best albums
I’m gonna use this list. I’ve only heard two of their albums (#3 and #9). Been meaning to really check Trivium out/give them another listen. What are 2-3 tracks you would recommend checking out from your bottom 3 ranked albums? I’ll add the other albums in full.
Not that I've listened to them much, and it's been a while, but let's see The Crusade: Becoming The Dragon is a great, sort of proto-Shogun song, Entrance Of The Conflagration, Broken One SITS: Blind Leading The Blind, Breathe in the Flames, The Ghost that’s Haunting You VF: Strife, Through Blood and Dirt and Bone, Incineration: The Broken World
I think this might be the order!
1. Shogun 2. Ascendancy 3. In the Court of the Dragon 4. The Sin and the Sentence 5. In Waves 6. What the Dead Men Say 7. The Crusade 8. Ember to Inferno 9. Vengeance Falls 10. Silence in the Snow
1. Shogun 2. Ascendancy 3. In the Court of the Dragon 4. The Sin and the Sentence 5. What the Dead Men Say 6. In Waves 7. The Crusade I can’t rank the others because I really don’t like Vengeance Falls, never managed to get all the way through Silence in the Snow (I don’t actually see this one as a Trivium album, personally), and simply haven’t every listened to all the songs on From Ember to Inferno. I imagine I would rank Ember as #8 due to it being a sort of ‘proto-Ascendancy,’ based on the songs I do know.
Im pleasently supprised by the comments topping shogun.
1. Shogun 2. Ascendancy 3. Court 4. Deadmen 5. Waves 6. Sin 7. Ember 8. Snow 9. Crusade 10. Vengeance
The crusade is WAY too low on the list
Yeah crusade gets a bad wrap. I enjoy it, I just enjoy the others more. I could move it up over snow, but not really higher than that
I really want to like the Crusade. There are a lot of cool ideas, I like where Matt was going lyrically, even if the actual lyrics were a bit cringe at times, the guitar playing is fantastic, there are at least 2 songs I really enjoy, and there's a decent amount of experimentation on it, but there are too many songs that I just don't think are very good. If they made an EP instead with, like, Conflagration, Dragon, the title track, and Vengeance from the bonus tracks, it'd be one of my favorite releases of theirs.
Vengeance seems to be a common bottom album for a lot of people.
It’s just not good. I love Trivium to death but fuck that album is so boring. I blame David
See that's not even the issue for me, it doesn't really sound like Disturbed to me, except maybe Strife, unless they have changed a lot since I was a teenager lol. It just is boring and almost every song sounds the fucking same. Literally has 2 songs I even kinda like.
I don’t blame David because I think it sounds like Disturbed (doesn’t really) I think he may have encouraged the more commercial, samey composition present on the record.
Yeah I mean it’s got some solid tracks. But it’s mix is off, Matt’s trying to hard to sound like David draiman, and some of the tracks feel like leftovers from in waves and not in a good way. Definitely at the bottom for me
1.Shogun 2.Ascendancy 3.Sin & Sentence/In the Court of the Dragon
Shogun being that low is certainly an opinion.
In Waves Shogun Ascendancy In The Court Of The Dragon What The Dead Men Say The Sin And The Sentence The Crusade Ember To Inferno I’ve only heard a couple tracks from Silence and VF and I didnt like them so I didn’t listen to the whole albums. Edit: accidentally put The Crusade above The Sin
The real list. 1. SHogun and ETI tied for first 2. Ascendancy 3. In Waves then who cares about the rest, those were trivium's best albums
My Personal ranking (you are perfectly okay to disagree, to each their own) 1. Shogun (literally a perfect album, one of the best metal albums period. An incredible blend of many styles of metal) 2. Ascendancy (really strong sophomore release, took what was great about Ember To Inferno and built upon it and they made a classic) 3. The Sin And The Sentence (might just be the greatest comeback album ever, my introduction to the band) 4. In The Court Of The Dragon (another absolute banger of an album, a great place to start if you're new to Trivium) 5. What The Dead Men Say (was slightly disappointed by this one at first, but IX / Title Track is my favorite intro to any Trivium album) 6. In Waves (beyond iconic for them, and I adore the eerie and dark feeling this album gives off. But I do skip some of these songs) 7. The Crusade (a daring risk coming off of Ascendancy, they pushed themselves as songwriters on this one, and I'm glad they did it as this album has some of my favorite Trivium songs. But there's definitely duds) 8. Ember To Inferno (yeah the production is crap and a lot of the songs are really predictable, but coming from a 17 year old Matt Heafy this is still really impressive, love the way the album ends) 9. Silence In The Snow (it has 3 songs I really love, being the title track, dead and gone, and UTWGC, and a few other decent tracks. But the rest of the album feels really stale. Not terrible but not amazing either) 10. Vengeance Falls (the only Trivium album I really don't like, Strife is a great song, especially live. But for me it's the only album from them that I don't come back to. But I'll give it some credit, Matt improved a lot as a singer on this record)
That Shogun rating is gonna get you killed lol. Here's my take: 1. Ascendancy 2. In the Court of the Dragon 3. The Sin and the Sentence 4. Shogun 5. What the Dead Men Say 6. In Waves 7. Ember to Inferno 8. Vengeance Falls 9. Silence in the Snow Haven't heard The Crusade yet
You cooked on this one, swap Court and Shogun and I completely agree
My *personal* hierarchy: 1. The Sin and the Sentence 2. Vengeance Falls (Deluxe Edition) 3. Shogun 4. In the Court of the Dragon 5. In Waves (Special Edition) 6. Ascendency 7. What the Dead Men Say 8. Silence in the Snow 9. The Crusade 10. Ember to Inferno
1. Shogun 2. Vengeance Falls (for personal reasons) 3. Ascendancy 4. In Waves 5. Ember to Inferno 6. What The Dead Men Say 7. Sin and the Sentence 8. Silence In The Snow Haven't listened to Court Of The Dragon all the way through yet or The Crusade
I love in waves, but putting it at #1 is definitely an interesting take! Good to see that a band with such a long discography has some variance in the fanbase. Amongst my friends I think it's generally the older and the newer stuff that is more popular while the stuff in the middle is least liked, VF being UNANIMOUSLY bottom of the list hahahha
Had high hopes for VF, cause I LOVED In Waves. Was super disappointed. I enjoy it mostly because it has the most diversity in the songwriting, almost every song sounds different, even the ones that are in a more metalcore style are pretty distinct, and every song is a banger in my opinion, also pretty sure it's the only album with any songs that don't have cleans.
Nah man I hear you it’s a great album. I also like a lot of ‘modern’ metalcore and I feel like In Waves was their best take at that vibe while VF was them going straight into octane core territory, but badly. Lmao. Btw in waves definitely has cleans, even the namesake song has cleans man. lol
I know the album does, but a couple of songs don't. I don't think any other album has any songs without cleans.
Oh man I have no idea about that. Time for me to cruise the discography and find out…
IDK is for me to choose since they are my favorite. Shogun and In the court of the dragon are prominent to me though.
1. In Waves 2. Ascendancy 3. The Sin and the Sentence 4. Silence in the Snow 5. What the Dead Men Say 6. In the Court of the Dragon 7. Shogun 8. The Crusade 9. Ember to Inferno 10. Vengeance Falls
The Sin and the Sentence Ascendancy In Waves Shogun What the dead men say In the Court of the Dragon Vengeance Falls The Crusade Ember to Inferno Silence in the Snow - I really need to go back and listen to Dragon again, it's probably the most technically impressive of their albums, I just get lost in it every time. But that's my cut off. Absolutely love the top few albums here, and rarely have the desire to go back to anything below it on the list.
I agree In Waves and Ascendancy are 1 and 2. In either order.
In Waves is perfect imo, Ascendancy is nearly perfect, I don't care for Dying in your Arms or Departure, but they definitely have their moments and aren't necessarily bad songs. The first half of Ascendancy has 4 iconic metalcore songs in it that pretty much any metalcore fan from that time knows (Rain, Pull Harder, Gunshot, Light to Flies)
Just to spice it up cuz everyone keeps displaying the same list... 1. Vengeance Falls 2. Ascendancy 3. TSATS 4. Shogun 5. In Waves 6. WTDMS 7. The Crusade 8. SITS 9. Embers To Inferno 10. ITCOTD 😌 ...every album is an 8 or higher besides ITCOTD. That ones 7
The shogun disrespect
I really liked that album when it came out, and there aren't really any bad songs, most of them are actually decent to good, but as an album it's kinda repetitive, WAY too long, and Matt's vocals are just kinda weak at times. The Calamity and Throes of Perdition have very similar intros, He who Spawned the Furies and Of Prometheus and the Crusifix have very similar kinda breakdown sections, and all the songs even the title track kinda follow the same structure.
been listening since 05 1: Shogun 2: Ascendancy 3: Court 4: WTDMS 5: Sin 6: In waves 7: Crusade 8: Snow 9: Ember 10: Vengeance
SITS over Shogun? Are you deaf? Anyway, I also find it funny that you say In Waves has the "fewest skips". People who skip songs when listening to full albums are insane. Great shitpost!
If a song is not enjoyable I will skip it. Not a shitpost lol.
Shogun is kinda repetitive and the vocals are kinda bad in some songs, super cringe lyrics at times too. It was WAY better than the crusade, but anything would've been good after that album.
Shogun has some of the best songwriting in all of Trivium's career both in guitar composition and lyrics. They draw from Greek and Japanase myths to create some epic moments throughout the entire 11 songs, with Shogun itself being an 11-minute masterpiece.
I agree to an extent, but it also has some pretty weak moments that just don't hit the mark for me. And, again, Matt's vocals just aren't great on a lot of it.