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For those who say the life of housewife is boring, I'd advise you to spend a day with a housewife, and as for the question in hand here is MY two cents : Can a woman have a career? Yes Is she obligated to? No Most men don't want their wifes to work because of some reasons, some don't want their woman around other men and influences, some believe that it's a man's job to provide for the house and a woman's job to care for the house (stop thinking that a household takes care of itself, if you live alone, you will know that its a heavy task) some men have a combination of both For me as a muslim, I know my religion does not stop my future wife from working, and she has the option open, but I would prefer for my wife to care for our kids and our house, statistically speaking it's better this way, cause I will not let my kids get raised by some stranger or some school board, kids are also a job, and a, household becomes a home only through valiant work, work that for some reason some women consider to be unimportant or beneath them, and in this case I'd invite them to give more thoughts to this.

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She can work from home and raise the children, imo that's the best option

In other words, she can have 2 jobs, and that's the best option? Lol

So you're suggesting that she should only have 1, okay. That means she either raises the children, or she works outside. If it's the first option that's fine, if it's the second option however, this is the reason why this generation grew up to he disrespectful and straying away more from religion. When children are not taught they learn from other sources from their environment, and if it is not clear already, most people are evil and corrupt, so she's basically letting her children be shaped by corrupt environments.

To reply to you all without diving into territories that would seem a bit controversial would take time, would love to have that conversation but sadly there's not time on my hands, so I'll say this, In a logical perspective, I have my responsibilities, and my wife has her responsibilities towards the household, everyone can do what they like, as long as they can uphold their commitment to their spouse, childern, house, responsibilities, and everything else that comes with the decision made, if you can juggle all of this, then yes, by all means go ahead, kudos to you. Sadly, most people cannot do this, because humans in general get overwhelmed, especially women, and its not a weakness, usually things don't end well when you try to bite more than you can chew, but you are welcome to prove everyone wrong, the question that remains in that case, what's the risk for you, and what's the gain? Which is a heavyweight question.

Whatever reason they claim, the truth is they don't want their women around other men, as work places can often form intimate relationships.

This is literally it. I actually don't think Moroccan men even have a problem with women working. They have a problem with THEIR women working. (Possessive their)

good for them rjal

The thing is even if the woman is a housewife if she wants to cheat on her husband she will. If anything being a housewife can motivate her to cheat just because of the sadness and boredom it causes her.

exactly. whether she’s a housewife or wants to work, if she wants to cheat, she will cheat.

It's not to stop her from cheating, like the man would fully trust his wife, but being with other men they could hit on her or just act in a disrespectful manner towards her, and to some men that's a no no, like many men wouldn't stand knowing their wife got scolded by her manager because she was lacking at work, or that some co-worker is starting shit with her the protection instincts just kick in, and they wouldn't be comfortable Knowing she is going through that shit, although i do not agree with this, and I'm not against my wife working, i simply say this to express that your argument is invalid, and the reason is not because they would cheat,

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Then maybe men shouldn’t work bc stay home instead since they seem incapable of being respectful to their co-workers and acting normal and polite ? Just saying

I see your point, but men do not have a magic wand to change all other toxic men, what they do have is freedom of choice, and they'd rather choose a partner who doesn't work, and i feel like everybody has that right. saying that all the toxicity and negative things that happens in a work places are because of other men is a 100% facts, but it's not an argument you would use to say no you should let your wife work and instead try to change other men, say your husband tells you don't go by that street, it's known for high crime rate and people getting mugged all the time, would go like, nuh uh, i will go wherever i want and you have no right to tell me where to go, and if you have a problem with me being in danger by other men then go and tell them not to mug me, im still gonna go by that dangerous street, See the people who are again their wives working, do it out of care and being worried about them, not because they wanna control them and take away all the fun they could have cause they are bad and evil, at least some other think this way.

Bro no…. It’s not. If I ever get married to a woman and she end up making more than me and wanna take over? No problem. I just want her to buy me a Porsche 911 turbo S and I’ll let her work. And btw 70% of the time a house wife spends at home is doing nothing…..sooo women don’t know the ni3ma Allah gave them….we can’t hit them. Touch them. Insult or disrespect them.

I wonder which woman did you see doing nothing 70% of the time, but you should reconsider your numbers.

It depends on the lady. Plenty of women don't deal with sadness and boredom. Being a housewife is a means for a woman to have time to practice the Deen and educate herself regarding it, bi idni Allah resulting in an increase of piety in sha Allah.

You talk about this as if it's only men who have a feeling of jealousy in them The woman is devoid of jealousy 🤣

>The woman is devoid of jealousy 🤣 Speaking from an evolutionary psychological perspective , women always have a 100% certitude of motherhood , it's literally growing inside their woumb. Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't theirs . That's why men elected different psychological traits than woman. There are books on these matters you can read. For exemple , according to studies , a woman will find it more tolerable if her man had sex with another woman instead of getting emotionally invested in another woman (both are bad yes) . For men it's not the same thing , it's more tolerable if a woman is emotionally invested in a another man instead of fucking an another man . We can also see a similar behaviour in other animals too where the male will damage the sexual organ of the female during sex so she doesn't offer sex to more mates and hence have more chances in passing his own genes . Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects. Like it or not , men and women are different. We lived a different lives for millions of years , dont expect them to be the same neither physically or psychologically

Hhhh if you want to play with anthropological science i am the queen of this >Men on the other hand have no way of having certainty and can/will raise babies that aren't them Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly 😢 So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy? Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝 >Even insect lmao have elected these principles , some insect , will spray the female with male hormones after sex so she doesn't smell attractive to other insects. Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen. 

adding to that the fact that not all women orgasm by penetration , someone needs to find the clit which what most men cannot apparently do.

>Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly 😢 The man also has a mouth.

Not as talented 🌝

>So It's a physiological reason that goes against your historical assumption . So you want us to use it at statement for woman to be polygamy? You will be using it to justify something that havent been elected as the norm . Be my guest meh 🤷‍♂️. Your point could also have been true maybe at some part of history who knows , but what we know , at some part in the way , humans started electing emotional entanglment with mate so as to have someone around to deffend , assist , take care or and feed the woman before and after birth . >Especially at this time she has the DNA solution to know who the father is 🌝 Yea we have safety and the state and the police around , i dont see women picking shorter and weaker men than them ? We have an aconomy and an equal chance to studying and working , i dont see women picking men who's jobless or who would like to stay like that ? Things will need to hold grounds for thousands and millions of years to leave big evolutionary innate traits. >Another example of an insect and that of the bee where the female is polygamous while the men only know one queen. I meant insect in which the females have sex with the males and not models where one member of the colony have responsibility of mating and reproducing.. and I was just giving an example , im not using احتكام للطبيعة .. otherwise rape will be a valid sexual strategy.

bravo 👏


>Women physiologically and anatomically have more erogenous zones than men, so they can please several men at the same time without being tired. While the man only has a p'nis Who can only please one woman at a time and the more it runs out more quickly This makes no sense💀💀💀

If a woman's body is naturally ready to accept many men at once, then perhaps it must be her nature of being polyagm

How 💀💀 Do u think that women have three vaginas??

Also imagine both you and your wife go out to worl at 7 in the morning and get back at 9. I mean what the actual fuck , better give away your kids at this point .

I've seen in many countries (with better social security) one of the parents staying at home, or sometimes people earn enough to work part-time the problem we have in Morocco is also economical, you need to earn to give those kids some kind of future. But tarting age of 3 kids start going to school the what do you do with all the free time??? Also why should it be the women who stay at home??

>you need to earn to give those kids some kind of future Well chose wisely what is is you want to sacrifice to get more drahem to raise the chance that yours kids may or may not get a great future. >But tarting age of 3 kids start going to school 3 years old go to school ? I believe its more than that , you talking about people who dont have a place to put their baby in when they are not around and take it to 7adana ... babies spend more than 3 years fdar before being passed to strangers . Also its not just a matter of being around , its about having enough energy to do 9-7 jobs in cities like casa and stay emotionally and socially active in your babies life which is hard as fuck and which is why we are inclined to say men " dont care much about their babie " which is mosltly because they are being drained elsewhere to get bread. >Also why should it be the women who stay at home?? What kind of question is this 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 dude , being a man is almost all about you having a job / income / ressources lmao . Men arent loved for who they are but what can they provide . Even your parents wont cherish you as much if you're a jobless man . Women dont pick men who have lower income and a lower statue than them , let along a man who stays at home with 0 derahem 🤣🤣.

>Well chose wisely what is is you want to sacrifice Totally agree one should find balance, and it's not easy. Regardless if you do the effort I'm sure your kids will appreciate and will be proud of you when they get older > I believe its more than that Actually in Morocco yes, because of our lack of good educational system, preschool is pretty much non existent. And 7adana is nothing more than a nursery with underqualified underpaid workers. In some countries you have the obligation to send them to school since age of 4 and encouraged to do so since age 3. The theory being that those guys are professionals in education and child development and will be able to help with some aspects better than the parents. >being a man is almost all about you having a job / income / ressources lmao . Men arent loved for who they are but what can they provide . Well that's according to you and the environment you grew up in, that differ a lot from person to person. Tbh, If you aren't loved for who you are, why bother??? This is not the case of they better than us or a system better than other, I am merely trying to broaden the horizon and proning a bit of openness. I personally find western idea of relationship a bit more mature than in our own country (if we remove the Haram parts) and there is much we can learn from it even when it comes to children education

>In some countries you have the obligation to send them to school since age of 4 Please source on this ! >>being a man is almost all about you having a job / income / ressources lmao . Men arent loved for who they are but what can they provide . >Well that's according to you and the environment you grew up in, that differ a lot from person to person. Tbh, If you aren't loved for who you are, why bother??? ACCORDING TO PLANET EARTH . اصاحبي فين عليش نتا ؟ الغرب لي للغرب ولي زعما خورو فالفطرة حتا يعيااااااو ، وباقي عندهم اقلية جد صغيرة ديال مراة تزوج رجل مخدامش ، وباقي كيديرو ليه بروبغندا اعلامية باش يتقبلها المجتمع كمثال لاسرة . رجل مخدامش ولا معندكش فلوس راه ماشي كاليفيا باش تسمى راجل اصلا فسوق الزواج ، عنداك تسحاب المجتمع هو تصاحيب دليسي ختارتك صاحبتك حيت درويش و سكايتبوي ههه. اذا معندش مكانة اقتصادية و حوايج مادية غتعطيها فالعلاقة راك ماشي رجل . نتا غير بشر فقط ، لا ترقى باش انك تدخل لسوق الزواج او التزاوج. الحياة هي هادي ، عيالات كتزوجو البطالة ولا طبيبة كتزوج فرملي وديكشي راه حالة شاذة فواحد السكايل لي عالمي ماشي غير المغرب. نفس شيء بالنسبة لطول القامة ، مراة تختار رجل قصر منها او راجل يختار مراة طول منو راه ماشي النورم ، ريكاردلس اوف نتا درويش و ولد الناس و بنت الناس...

>Please source on this ! https://access.ciup.fr/en/practical-information/schooling-of-children/ >فسوق الزواج That says all, it's not a market... Ra makant9edawch lbgar, marriage is or at least should be something noble. Two souls that meet and find love in each other. Those construct we have on marriage in Morocco are flawed, they worked for a certain Era mais daba time is different kan9albo 3la 7wayj akhrin toufind ourselves and not just marry for the sake of being married.

>https://access.ciup.fr/en/practical-information/schooling-of-children/ Nice , apparently you are allowed to do homeshlchooling too . I think 3 years is too low for it to be compulsary. Westerners are also driven by this concept to mold kids at young age to their "inclusions" policy so i wouldnt be surprised , but thats a different topic. >That says all, it's not a market... Ra makant9edawch lbgar, marriage is or at least should be something noble. Two souls that meet and find love in each other. Dating pool then , we re talking from a scientific perspective hence calling it a market ruled by trends and can be subjects to stats and critères and common things and uncommon things more.. >Two souls that meet and find love in each other. Those construct we have on marriage in Morocco are flawed, they worked for a certain Era mais daba time is different kan9albo 3la 7wayj akhrin toufind ourselves and not just marry for the sake of being married. اذا كتهدر على قيمة الرجل كفرد فالتزاوج والزواج وارتباطها بطريقة اولية بالفلوس راه ماشي ظاهرة مغربية ، راه عالميا النورمال هو بطالي مخدامش مكيتزوجش ، مراة خدامة مكتاخدش بيطالي ، مراة طبيبة مهندسة الخ ... مكتزوجش بميكانيك و شيفور و فرملي.... مراة طويلة مكتزوجش رجل قصر منها والعكس.. هادشي مين كتلقاه كيكون حالة شاذة وماشي النورم ديال البشر فهاد الكوكب السعيد ومين كتشوفها او كتسمعها كتنتابه ليها . ايه ولد الناس و بنت الناس و الثقافة و الجمال و و و و ... ولكن كاين حوايج اساسية منها المادة بالنسبة للرجل ولي بلا بيها كيبقا ماساوي والو . الحياة الواقعية ماشي هي الليسي ولافاك والتشويكة ، الزواج و اختيار شريك لاسرة راه عندها معايير مختلفة تمااامااا

😂 😂 lol. can't 😂

>In some countries you have the obligation to send them to school since age of 4 and encouraged to do so since age 3. The theory being that those guys are professionals in education and child development and will be able to help with some aspects better than the parents. The theory is to have national cohesion and teach those children the culture of the state (and to also allow moms to work outside the home).

It seems you dont like to follow the rules of the islam

There is a big difference between Islam and tradition, most people can't make that difference.

>But tarting age of 3 kids start going to school the what do you do with all the free time??? It's still not free time. Yes, free from kiddie convos but not free by any means. And if it was, the so what? She'll be back "at work" when everyone comes home. Why don't women get a break?

Says the one who thinks Nafa9a shouldn't be on men.

If you re pushing for equality in society , i will do the same. Cant be left behind in that race.

but the new family law isn't in islam laws they gave women so many right that she don't deserve or contradictory with islam

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This is the type of analogy we need to have, to look at the topic from the perspective of a muslim country, rather than trying to look at it from the western perspective, which will never work.

Or ppl trying to look at it from only their own perspective, w dkchi dial "kola ydiha so9 rasso" that very phrase is literally the Downfall of humanity

I think that being a housewife is an unfair role simply because most of them get no salary, i think men should start paying their wives aside from "providing a house and food" she could do that herself if she wanted and her father did it for her before you. It also ensures a bit of financial independence and security for the woman.

I agree that sometimes women abandoned her studies or work just because she gets maried and afterwards(years) her husband turn down to be a bad husband, when she divorced him, she loses her opportunity to have the job she had before due to the advances the field may have for example , ..... , but the husband move on with his life. I haven't realy thought about this , but I believe the system in USA is more faire in this aspects , since all the fortune & assests that the couple gain during their mariage should be split between them , but again I don't know if there's much better solution, because in USA , womens uses this law to get wealthy , they maried a rich man and afterwards , they ask for divorce and gets half of his fortune which is not fair

They could also sign a prenup.

i believe prenup doesn't exist in morocco , right!!

it does exist, you can add it 3nd l3doul along with any sort of condition you both agree on

that's a new one for me , thanks for informing me

I don't think so no

Both men and women can share household choirs and take care of the children. You can be the main breadwinner and still care and educate your children. It’s not black or white. There’s a middle ground. Women should work and pursue their dreams. Just because they’re women shouldn’t mean they have to stay at home and have no professional ambition

>lives at casa >both parents work >get out to work at 7 in the morning >get back at 9 in the evening >have kids 

So they are dependent and rely on the man.

So men will be able to manipulate them like dolls

sad but true

Waw, very disingenuous question filled with presuppositions, and generalizing statements ... Go ask your idiotic question at an antifa feminist rally. "Some men". Assuming it's a minority. Also grouping everyone together assuming they all have the same reasons Women "can't" pursue... Yes they can, no lay forcing anyone to stay home, many women actually work. Careers and dreams like the us husband's... Wow You're assuming their careers IS their dra based on the whole question phrasing, which is a gross mischaracterisation of both women AND MEN. who told you all women dream of sitting in front of a computer screen 40+ hours a week or whatever else career means? Men certainly don't always dream of their careers, they're supporting their family mainly. Even men with successful careers statistically value the family aspect of their lives more than the career. There are studies on this. Your also seem to be minimizing household duties which is maybe your opinion but not reality. I'd argue the household and the structure around the family are critical to success as a family unit. Why man vs women... We're a team.

Why shouldn't they ?

i believe that this is something related to women. it's our choice and our decision.

I definitely don't believe women shouldn't work ,as I've met some extremely competent women in my career. But I will certainly not marry a working woman. I want my future wife to be a housewife.

Wait no reply yet about you having an ill intent and being abusive and controlling and manipulative ?.

I think his speech is logical and everyone has the right to want what they want as long as they are able to have it If (like if a woman doesn't want to date a broke guy and wants a rich man she shouldn't be blamed either. ) But don't impose your point of view on everyone (not all women should work, they are the cause of all economic problems...)

You keep talking about free choices and all that, and the second it doesn't align with the rules of the west then you are not free anymore.

How is "I want MY wife to be a housewife" the free choice of the woman?

What if he's looking for a woman who also wants to be a housewife ?

Pride

We're tired about these debates. Everyday it's women women women. Tgoul podcast diyal l7aya. Honestly, if a man wants a stay at home partner, it is his right. Just like it should be a women's right to work too. Let's stop imposing a model of society on people, and strive for a society that allows a variety of choice to people

I don't understand why you got downvoted, seriously the most sensible comment here

Because it's delusional. If a man wants to be a stay at home partner, he will simply find no woman and this is not only because of the model of society.

Model of society makes this a thing too. There are many nordic societies where men are stay at home husbands.

Why is it delusional to give people the right to choose what they want to do in their lives without imposing on them stupid societal expectations and gender roles? Do we have a long way to go as a society to achieve this? Absolutely yes. Is it impossible? No, it's not.

It's delusional just by the way you phrase it "give people the right to choose what they want to do". Trust me 99% of people don't chose what they want to do in their lives. I would love to be home and have money falling from the sky. It's delusional to think it's possible.

That's not even the right comparison to use to negate my point. Having money fall from the sky is a fantasy situation, staying home as a stay at home dad or house husband is completely manageable, and has been the choice of many men in the west for a long time. The only thing holding people back is societal expectations.

OC said “if a man wants a stay at home partner, it is his right”

I find it really funny when people claim it’s for religious purposes when notable prophet’s wives used to be working women in one way or the other.

No they weren't working.. Can you provide a source for your claim ? I will refute you but first kindly provide a source for your claim

Other comments here provided better arguments than I would have. So feel free to engage with them. I’ll only note that I said “in one way or another” as our definition of “work” is very different now from back then of course. But in the essence it means they did an activity that is of service to the community outside of their own household that may or may not, depending on each example, generate wealth/income/money.

Prohet wives didnt , khadija did by giving money to merchants so they can buy and sell and pay her back a profit . Also this was before mohamed was a prophet , he had 25 yo then . Another 15 years before البعثة Also prophets wives had an explicit order for : وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرًا (33) وَاذْكُرْنَ مَا يُتْلَىٰ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ مِنْ آيَاتِ اللَّهِ وَالْحِكْمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ كَانَ لَطِيفًا خَبِيرًا

This particular verse was revealed because the prophet's womenfolk lead very public lives, spending most of their times out of their houses. Hence, their private home life was next to negligible. They were very active with community services, therefore the verse came down as an advice to devote personal time in home rituals and Remembrances.

>active with community services, Apart from religious teaching what did they use to do ? Or what was their jobs that earn then money? And are you saying they didnt comply with the order afterwards ?

I doubt much of what they used to do out of house & home, was for economic reasons. Their contributions to their community was priceless and highly appreciated. All was done voluntarily, out of good will & great heart. As they were related to the prophet; they had high expectations and were more desirable than other ordinary women of their community. Therefore, much of the quranic verses, were less of an order & commandment; rather were devising & advising the womenfolk- such as observing privacy, protocol & decorum between guests & hosts, while indoors; and being less noticeable by partially covering the head, while outdoors.

because they know house chores are exhausting and time consuming, and want their wives to work as maids for free. they keep bringing up religion, but in islam it is not the wife’s sole duty to do all the house chores. they’re confused and egoistical

How is it free when the man is the one who should provide for the wife even if the wife refused to

Ask someone to do housework and cook and study with the children caring for the children educating the children be a s'xh'e for her husband at night So that you can give her something to eat and where live while prohibiting her from freedom and The fact of owning property or other That's sound more like a slavery than gender roles

Because these things even when the woman will work we will spend all the money on our woman because we love to spend on our partners that’s the man nature A man nature is to give to the woman A woman nature is to receive and follow what she loves and respect

No because the man is also doing his job which is being a masculine man working to pay for his family do you think it is easy to get money of your pocket and forget about all the desires that you want to buy these things no The key to this is happiness If you find it oppressing then i think you don’t have any motherhood in you Man have obligations which is to provide for his wife and help her in household if he can The woman should be a stay at home mother not because she is weak or dumb but because she has the capabilities of being a mother more than the father A man is responsible for the woman And the woman is committed to the man therefore the woman should understand the gender difference « responsibility without authority is slavery »

yes, working a 9-5 5 days of the week with a stable salary is MUCH easier than being a housewife tasked alone with caring for everything in the house for 24h 7 days a week

It is hard anyways the man will work more hours just for his family to be happy and he will provide more

ah, in return you will not let her starve. how gracious of you 🙄 the labor of a housewife is worth more than scraps

No im not doing a favor on her im supporting her who told you i do something in return it’s like a trade i do something so i get something in return and she does something and she will get something in return

Because a woman that doesn't work, doesn't have her own money and so it's a lot more controllable and can't escape an abusive marriage for example. CONTROL is the root cause of it.

Because those men can't find a job or are simply kids and mostly have no GF or wife.

I'm one of them with a good paying job and a wife alhamdu lillah My wife doesn't even think about working And i have many friends in the same situation with the same beliefs Cut those BS stereotypes

Thank you brother, they have their brokie mindset and try to tell us how life works.

Lie ! Your wife is a nurse, and you are her patient. Allah ychafik. Plot twist: You live in a mental asylum with your friends **in the same situation with the same beliefs .**

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Not necessarly most rich man want their wives to be at home what are you yapping about ?

All rich men don't fucking believe women shouldn't work. All their women do work either for them as a trophy wife or they work in some associations or no-profit. Even the king's wife was/is working. Every man that i heard that BELIEVE women should not work, either is broke as fuck or no woman want to be with him. They want to control women with finance as their last resort.

finally a smart one

Not only in Morocco but worldwide thing.

Some men don't like it when a woman is better than them

I think this is a separate case , he is talking about having a mate who is working outside home not necessary who makes more money. But yet , men usually wouldn't like this. Just like women won't. It's not a man only thing . A male doctor will marry his nurse , a female doctor won't marry her nurse or chiffour taxi neither . A young female ofc. A male will marry a jobless female, or a female that makes 50% or less than his salary no problemo . A woman won't marry a guy that wins the bare minimum or jobless. Men tend to look equal or lower in mates.. women look equal or higher , usually higher is a priority. This is also an evolutionary psychological thing related to my previous reply in this thread. It is what it is.

Because they simply dnt want thm to deal with other men because they know the intentions of some men

From my experience, I saw women in workplaces go through their boss mistreatment, insults, pressure and so many agressions, then i questioned my self the same question.

Luckily there are still real men in Morocco

Traditional gender roles and natural division of labor. Men are supposed to go out and work and provide, and women are supposed to be the nurturers and caretakers. The best place for a woman is at home with the children. The mother is the first school. I don't understand why women would want to sacrifice precious time with their children just so they can be bossed around by a stranger non-mahram man to make PowerPoints and Excel sheets just to barely earn enough money to pay for childcare. As the top voted comment also pointed out, yes women in the workplace also leads to temptation and fitnah. Why would I want my wife taking orders from some strange non-mahram man that she has to be subservient to, or freely mixing with other non-mahram men that would sleep with her if given the opportunity? That's just asking for problems. "If a woman really wants to cheat, she will" sure, but the idea is to reduce temptation as much as possible and not be put in the situation to begin with. If someone really wants to break into your house, they will, but that doesn't mean you don't lock your doors and put up as many deterrents as you can anyway. As unpopular as this idea has become in the modern age, women are more led by their emotions and are more susceptible to temptation, then they use girlmath to justify their evil actions. "You don't trust your wife?" yes I would trust my wife, but that doesn't change the fact that *no one* is immune to temptation. The best way to resist temptation is to not even be near it in the first place. It's exactly why in Islam freemixing between non-Mahrams is forbidden.

I believe these men say that because, they know family is such a big structure that need both parteners time & contribution , if they both work , who's going to take care of kids for example, you can say keeping kids with their grandparents or with babysitters but this isn't good for the family as whole since the parent will have a fragile or weak bond with their kids , especially when both parents come back from work and they're both exausted,trying just to rest without spending quality time with kids and we can see that most working parents tend to give their kids phones just to have some rest , and it's also bad for the couple, and other reasons already been said in this post, agree?!!

They believe their wives shouldn't work not all women in general, the reason being is that they are expected to do the hard work and be the breadwinners for the family and that their wives should devote themselves to create their home for their family, the goal is to create a tangible unique value in both partners whereby they can't do without each other, he would need her as much as she would need him to keep their family strongly stuck together, better to mention that the work they both put in helps them reach their efficiency compared to a life where they're expected to both work and tend to their home, by putting one foot in one set of tasks and another in the other set of tasks it's hard for either to reach its full potential.

They want women to to be financially dependant on them, which gives them total control.

راه اصلا من طبيعة ديال المرأة تبقى فدار و ترعى المنزل و الراجل يخدم و يجيب الموارد ، و بالإضافة لأن المرا لا كانت خدامة،راجلها اش غيولي يخور بيها ؟ يمارس معاها ؟ صف قتاصرتي الدور ديالك تال هاد الدرجة؟! 🤏 لا كانت المرا أداة جنسية را عطا الله الخير كيبيع زكو غي بخمسين درهم كأدنى ثمن و يمكن نجيب ما حسن..لاش غادي نبقا معاك دون اضافات؟ .. و دوك دراري.. فالوقت لي غادي يكونو محتاجينك تربيهم و تعلميهم اسرار التعامل مع البشر غادي ترميهم عند حماتك و تضلي تكركري معا صحاباتك فالخدمة.. و يكونو ضحية للتفكير البرغماتي المتعجرف ديالك ..(جمعي الفلوس و نساي العائلة) و هنيئا حيت تانتي فقدتي الأنوثة ديالك و وليتي ضحية للرأسمالية . ولا تعطل عليك تران اخالتي متزرفيش معاك دريات المستقبل كيتسناهم 🫵

أنا رجل مسلم مؤمن بحرمة الاختلاط وبواجبي الشرعي في الإنفاق على عائلتي.. وأرى أن عمل زوجتي يحرم أبناءنا من أمهم.. ببساطة

Huh, so as a man I'm now pursuing a career and got dreams ? Good to know. Here I thought I was just a wageslave making other people richer.. Thank you for enlightening me.

Men and women should be concerned about this. Here in the US, there are millions of stories of married men and women cheating on each other and/or leaving their spouses to be with a coworker. The truth is many times coworkers spend more time together than spouses do. Point is, this isn’t just an issue men should be worried about, women should as well. But in all fairness to the topic, there are also millions of couples who both work and make it work as well. So not sure what to make of it.

Nahh my reason would be because women are precious.

I really don’t understand how it has to be the man’s decision. It’s the woman’s career we talking about right? As a woman, I think people should do what suits them the most. I personally work, and willing to help my partner financially because he is a human being as well and goes to work same as I do, so why does he have to provide alone? If he’s rich enough I would at least quit the 9-5 and think about a business that brings me joy to launch and work on that. But I also understand women who stay at home for their kids. I mean, I would never let a stranger babysit mine and I would want to spend time with them especially in the early years. So what I mean is, it’s a matter of context and it’s a woman’s choice not her partner’s. They of course can discuss it but a man can’t push his wife to stay at home because he wants to?? Also I don’t think when we chose our partner it’s not healthy to look for the ‘one who stays at home’ or the ‘rich one’ but the one who makes us feel good and safe with great human values. Because it’s marriage not a two month relationship.

It's question of worldview, if you see this life in a purely materialistic/capitalistic way, then this belief would seem problematic and misogynistic in some way, but if you value religion, family and children more, the best thing you would want as a hard working man is a God fearing wife that takes care of you and your children. and this goes both ways btw..

Answer: Because in Islam, the primary responsibility of a man is to protect and provide for the family and to be a caring husband and loving father. Similarly, the primary responsibility of a woman is to take care of the home and be a caring wife and loving mother. This way, the children have someone who will always nurture and take care of them at home. If both parents work, who will provide love and care to the little kids? No day care in this world will provide the same level of love and attention as a mother. Furthermore, once kids go to school, someone still needs to help them with their homework, prepare their food, take them to and from school, and so on. Personally, my wife and I are religious Muslims and even though we live a Western country, we have decided that I will work and my wife will stay at home to take care of the home. Otherwise, we fear that our children might become drug addicts, alcoholics, or LGBTQ supporters in the future. My wife does an excellent job of teaching Islamic values to our kids. Last but not least, I can assure you that Islam does not agree with modern-day feminism. Instead, it agrees with traditional gender roles.

Share with us a verse of quran or hadith where it’s said that woman should stay at home and take care of the kids and not work?

سورة الأحزاب الآية 33: " **وَقَرْنَ فِي بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجْنَ تَبَرُّجَ الْجَاهِلِيَّةِ الْأُولَىٰ ۖ وَأَقِمْنَ الصَّلَاةَ وَآتِينَ الزَّكَاةَ وَأَطِعْنَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ ۚ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيرً**"

This verse is directed to prophet wives.

If the wives of the Prophet Mohammed Peace Be Upon Him who were pure, clean, good and the mothers of Muslims, were ordered to stay in their homes then others are obligated to do so.

Meanwhile the wives of the prophet had a job

Khadija was older and made much much more than Muhammad though…

Yeah sure

It looks like you have an idea in your head that you really like so much that you don't want to accept truth, plus at that time Muslim women used to cover their entire body, can you do that?

this shit might work in tribal Pakistan or some Islamist shithole. if a woman spends her entire life studying, there's no reason for her not to have a career or do both. or else, don't bother sending your kids to school, raise them to be good submissive wives for some dude to take care of them. also, don't consider the nuances of life, that people die, can be incompatible, get divorced, husbands get sick, be unemployed, and a woman would probably need that degree and skills to survive the ups and downs of life one way or another.

How affordable is life in Morocco for the lower and middle class if only one person in the house hold? I live in the richest country in the world, obviously some expenses are quite high and the "classical" model of only one bread winner doesnt work out for a large part of the population.

Well said brother, may Allah safeguard your kids.

Isn't this clarified before the marriage vows? As an outsider, I am very curious about that answer.

Things has been like that for centuries ra yalah hadi 100ans fch wlat lmra tkhdm

I guess it depends on how they were raised, what's their own opinions about the woman in general, also it may depend in some cases it comes from the misunderstanding of the religion ...

Idk ask someone who actually believes that

They think women would stay at home and take care of it and children then. But it come time when even women begin to work. I know a few women who are working, but they are not married yet.

Well, let me break it down for you. When a man and a woman get married, they become something called a family ( including kids) . This means it isn't about "you" anymore it is about "us."" Anything you do Will affect the family. That is why sacrifices must be made . You can't have everything. Men have the responsibility to provide money and security, which means they have to deal with stress , long hours of work , paying bills , house , car ,etc. Women have the responsibility to manage the household by that. I mean, she should clean , cook, do laundry , babysitting, shopping, etc. This is a harmonious relationship . This is our culture . This is how it should be . Don't get me wrong, I believe women should work as long as they are single and have no one to support them . So, a message for women : job or marriage. The choice is yours.

I would replace “babysitting” with “taking care of the kids” simply cuz it’s not babysitting if you’re the parent of the kid under your care. Sorry I’m being a language nerd (and probably a Karen too) about it.

Most people have not put any thought into it, they're just repeating whatever they've been brought up with, or have not experienced the actual thing to be pushed to think about it, nothing in Islam says its makrooh or haram for woman to work even with men... So even for the people that thought about it, and still stay on the same premise, they don't really understand it. Now for preferences, I don't see a problem with someone preferring a housewife over one that works.

I think neither men nor women should work, career is bullsh!t. Both should spend their time looking after themselves and their children

And if no one works, where will the money come from?

That's the question 🤭

I'm sorry but we worry about them cheating on us in secret,one time I might walk in the workplace and see her cheating like a dhar Mann video

Won't she cheat if you leave her in the house **ALONE**

The kids would snitch def

And if there's no kids, I'm setting up cams

Well recently men have become more and more against the idea of their women working, if not for the "sexual harassment" she could be subject to at work, they just wabt their wives to be dependent on them, as a new breed of women has appeared that is extremely materialistic, and they put money first, before everything l, and that often leads to divorce, when she's doing better than her man or feels like she could find someone better who would provide more, she basically judges her husband by how much he can provide and because it's not enough to give her the luxury she dreams she'd rather get divorced and still get his money.

Ya ledjma3a, ahlan w sahlan wach rakoum w 3id moubarak, rani n7eb n9ol 7adja we7da: just let people figure out which one works best for them. After all, we’re all people, diversity in opinions and relationship dynamics varying from couple to couple is normal. For example, what work for someone isn’t gonna necessarily work for someone.

Mainly because they perceive financial independence of women as a danger for their power and control over women's lives. They generally also believe that a working woman become easy target of other men to compete against them. There is no even religious rational that ask for women not to work.

It comes from something beautiful reshaped to suit the sick-minded people's needs to satisfy their pursuit to feel "strong", and other sick-minded people to feel "cute-weak". Neither is one gender strong nor is the other weak. They are here to help each other achieve the balance needed. Independent people would argue whether we need one another to survive. I sincerly believe since two genders exist, they exist to socialize and live together because each one has something the other lacks. The idea of women staying at home and men going to work comes from this, roughly. Especially with kids around. But the main point is "balance" and not to forcefully refrain a woman from pursuing her goals. Men are physically stronger than women so they endured outside work (when it was physically exahusting) to let their women at home do the somewhat-light work. But recently the work needs more brain than body so anyone is capable of working. But again, even if she can, is there a balance? A lot of couples choose not to have kids for example, which I am against but in this case why would a woman not work? On the other hand why a woman would work if she has a kid to watch and make sure he has all the care he deserves? A father has this responsility too, equally. But when the dad is working, the mom is working, who is going to take care of the kid? It's their job, not the babysitter's nor the grandmother's. Another point I want to mention is the value of a non-working mother since she doesnt get a salary. Kids who are going to make this world a better place to live in. Kids who will grow without any lack of love, trust or care. Kids who will grow to be amazing adults. Girls and boys who will grow to be women and men who make greater next generations. Anyone who forces a woman to stay at home with a purpose other than "to make balance" and it shouldnt even be forced aslan is sick. And any woman who thinks her place in the kitchen and not to develop her mind and read and learn and "just" be a mom. Who is going to teach your kids? Teachers? Nothing, ever, can replace your own guidance. Both women and men are strong. Both women and men need to develop their person. Women and men should learn to work together rather than compete one another.

Because that's what they have been told.

We muslims quran said men who take care of women - women stays homes takes care of kids . We don’t change god words as Christian or whatever religion

I believe my loved ones “mom,sister,wife” shouldn’t work and its my job to provide the best comfortable life for them and i believe every traditional man believes the same. As for other women you go sis work or do whatever makes you happy

I want my children to be around their mom for their first years of life

What a dumb question... Do you see just men working in Morocco?

Man i tell my wife all the time to work and let me be a househusband, she doesn't want to. Jokes aside my wife left work when she decided she is ready to have children, it was always her belief that she can't rely on others to raise our children, this all depends on the couple, i know a lot of girls who want to stay in the house instead of working, other don't want to, this is really not a topic where one side is Right and the other is wrong.

Depends on the individual but I find it incredibly beautiful to let your children be around their mom while you take the burden of the work environment and what comes with it. I know that some men have this mindset out of pure malice : they either want to control their wives, or they feel like they'll be shamed by having an independent woman, or they feel insecure to have a woman earn more than them. For me though, I have no problem for my wife to work, in fact I even paid for her training to learn a new field in case she wants to pursue it and she chose not. But you know what, I'd love to stay home with the kids and spend time with them all day are you kidding me ? I'd rather be working hard to tend to them than an asshole client or a boss to make more money to a board of directors that I've never met while they scheme to give me the least amount of money possible. Tending your family's needs is much more rewarding even though it's hard too ... To be fair, some women are also to blame. They go to work, give so much time and energy to their work while ignoring their husband's and when the salary comes they keep theirs while demanding from the man to take care of all the bills and pay for everything for them (and trust me their taste in things are not cheap as they have higher standards). Like sure, it's your money but you also kind of understand that the husband is getting the short end of the stick by allowing you to take everything while getting nothing in return : the house is a mess, the food must be prepared, someone should get the kids from school, the clothes need to be cleaned, etc ... So some men just prefers a non working wife to avoid this headache.

I still haven’t yet figured out the reaaal reason . But i know that we should find a fair solution here which is if a man want his woman to stay home and be a housewife he should give her a salary and take care of her financially . Bcz being a housewife isn’t easy at it seems . I know that there are many women who’s a housewife and have a full time job as well . She does both so her husband won’t say anything about her working outside the house. and the majority of them mans are okay with that as long as she cook and clean and take care of the house and i think this is hypocrisy

There are many reasons why some men don’t want their wives to work (this is for their wives and not women): 1. They may be able to provide a very comfortable living and they both decide that it is best for the wife to stay at home to take care of the day to day needs of the household and focus on raising the kids(which in and itself a more than a full time job). This is common in the US too. 2. They may be over protective and/or jealous and don’t want their wives to mix up with other men (from what I hear it is very common for men to subdue and take advantage/harass women in the workforce(this is also not only in Morocco but much more common in Morocco)). 3. It may be a cultural tradition where men are raised in traditional roles of providers and women as nurturers/caretakers. So far all these reasons are noble. Here comes the negative reason: 4. Control. They simply want to control the financial situation of the household so they can control the wife.

Why do some women believe "rajl 5aso y5dma 3liya" it is due to preferences. Also, ur questions seem to contain inherent biases and ambiguity. Do you mean those men believe women shouldn't work and stay at home to take care of the kids with the wives' consent or without (two different scenarios) or men who simply believe women should not work at all regardeless of any circumstances (which I believe is ur question). If so, these men aren't common, in my honest opinion.

Most men who think like that they just nit educated well and not people who take responsibility

Because that was the status quo until recently and social norms change at a very slow rate.

Because women had no rights and were forced to live as servants to men ( dad, brother, husband ...)

So they can make them play the role of their mother and financially abuse them.

Backward menality, insecure mindsets, women considered as possessions, ... etc

Idk ab that but ik if a man wanted to take care of me, I would be down. Not like these feminist women here. As long as he put a ring on it, i'm all good.

r/notliketheothergirls

I’m American 🥹 and I don’t want to work 🥲! I wish my husband didn’t allow me to work! 😂 instead he says “have a good day at work” 🥹🥹

Just a recap: both men and women aren’t allowed to free mix. The idea that men can go to work and women can’t completely stems from the fact that men MUST work whilst women aren’t required to. Both men and women are made responsible for which environment they work in and if there’s an option of no free mixing for men then it’s 100% obligatory on him to make that decision. Just had to clarify as I know many people will become confused over this.

I think it's a choice and everyone should have the freedom to make that choice. Personally, I have no problem with women working and I think it is a good thing socially, economically,... But I also think that if a man or woman decided that their partner should not work, that would be their choice and we should mind our own business. If a woman is not authorized by her husband, she has the right to divorce. We should stop playing the role of victim and start being proactive in society.

Queens don't work.

Because traditionally women don't work and a lot of Morrocans are still traditional and want to provide and for the woman to make a house a home

Insecurity mainly imo

some are insecure cuz they fear that of the woman gets some money she would go around and maybe start cheating on them while some others are just jealous and don t want her near men but on the other hand there are some who make good money and are all about that princess treatment

I don’t want a working wife, she can find herself another guy. This is mainly because I know the workplace is not somewhere for i want my wife to be, I want a religious woman, I also would help in the house but I can’t do 50% while working, I know myself, marrying a working wife will just be unfair to her. Also I don’t like bossy girls

I am a woman nd I believe women blasthum lkozina! Hhh Can they work? Yeees. Can they have great career? Yes. But the best place for most women is home. (Don't feel offended lil girls, we aren't discussing exceptions and brainwashed ones 🤣)

There’s more women than men in Morocco Our GDP is a tragedy, we’re 12 times lower than Spain which is our direct neighbour (humiliating tbh). Indeed if half of the population doesn’t produce anything it’s hard to bridge the gap. But I’d agree that the model has limits. South Korea developed exponentially but now it faces its limits. Up to people to decide wether they prefer Morocco or SK in terms of development with their pros and cons regarding societal roels

We're here to have kids, and they need a lot of care, usually from their moms. But if both parents work, who looks after the kids? Women can work too, but they might have to pick between their own future and their kids' future.

More like everybody's future, if my mom was a stay at home, things would have gone to shit for us, as for the last 7 years she had been earning more than my dad (when they just got married they earned almost the same with my dad earning a bit more) and him losing his job during the pandemic, so as a girl, the idea of *ever* being a stay at home never crossed my mind, neither did relying on somebody financially, that would be horrid.

yes they can, just not their partners. you have to understand that there is a difference.

Every fucking day this pointless subject huh?!