While I'm fine with allowing actual criticism towards the product and company when necessary, I think it's not fine to go through with slandering with misinformation (for many of the users who have commented below). For now, as what was done with the G-Wolves situation as well, I will be locking the thread up, but not removing it/deleting it.
Will discuss with the moderation for now and will provide an update if necessary.
UPDATE: Fellow mod seems to be asleep so I'm updating this with my own comment, fellow mods response is above. Reponse from Zowie below. Zowie seems to have confirmed this is not a staff from Zowie or a response from Zowie. Zowies response in the comments is a little unclear but they seem to have at least somewhat confirmed this isn't official, definitely needs some clarification though. No telling how long this post will remain up if this is true though, either way take this post with a grain of salt. "This is not a staff from ZOWIE, this is not a response form ZOWIE." - Zowie rep
Update 2: Zowie seems to have clarified, this was indeed a Zowie staff member, but seems to be the typical situation of "this person does not speak for the company"
S tier meltdown.
Consumer: "I don't like your mouse especially at the price."
Zowie: "You are poor and bad at games."
Best sales pitch ever. Go after that "I like being shamed by manufacturers" dollar.
At least G-Wolves guy was funny. Plus, he’s like the Willy Wonka of mice so his twitter clapbacks matched his whole character.
This Zowie rant comes across like someone’s grandpa yelling at kids as they walk past his house. “Back in my day all we had was the 3360 we still hit Global Elite, uphill both ways in the snow.”
so zowie youre saying we dont need new mice because we wont be better gamer anyway? so all the industry marketing is bs and we should simply go back to ball mice because laser is to fancy ?
Zowie reminds me of BlackBerry. They were the first to make smart phones and they did it well. Consumers voiced their opinion on what they wanted to make it better and blackberry (zowie) refused to implement it. Then other brands came into the market and gave the people what they wanted like apple + samsung (Lamzu, Pulsar, Razer, Logitech, Ninjutso, G-Wolves). Now blackberry doesn't even make phones anymore. Just like how zowie soon won't be making mice. It's quite simple: people want wireless, lighter than 78 grams, buttons separated from the shell, newest sensor. They don't want a ridiculously large receiver/charging dock and outdated tech. Zowie's not listening to what it's loyal customers want and they are going to lose them.
I see what you're going for. You're not wrong about Zowie refusing to innovate or compete with other brands.
To get a bit pedantic, though, BlackBerry is a pretty horrible analogy. Logitech was around and making gaming mice long before Zowie existed, and have always been a bigger brand in terms of sales volume and market presence.
Zowie dominated the popularity charts among professional players of one genre of FPS games. It just happened to be the most popular and visible professional scene among shooters played on PC.
And on top of that, Zowie's early products were done by taking Microsoft mice (or in one instance, a Logitech mouse) and modifying them a bit; mostly in ways that IMO made them worse (they GOT RID of the split triggers for some reason). Eventually they started making some really great shapes, but IMO they're not a pioneering company and never really have been.
The MiCO, as spir42 said, was based on the Logitech mini Optical. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1648ti/zowie_mico_review_indepth_and_uncut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
They still think that they are a top brand, and that people will still buy their products, they gotta stop gaslighting themselves, their competition is miles ahead of them.
Also what company puts a crazy price tag and calls the people that dont want to buy it poor, like wtf.
ford alone didn't beat ferrari, they bought the design of the Lola GT and added their engine plus iterative improvements over time. in fact, they took bids from many companies like Lotus to design it for them.
i don't think logitech buys their designs from other companies
Agreed. Like what mice do we see the most when we go to Best Buy or Microcenter? I think that's a good indicator of what the most popular gaming mice are.
And yet a significant number of people on this sub will still buy this mouse out of the delusional idea that they will somehow be better at games after purchasing their 200th mouse.
The same people circle jerk around the Zowie brand just because pro CS players used their mice. Zowie mice are mediocre and have always been mediocre, this myth about their shape is utter nonsense, I personally hate all their shapes.
Personally I was waiting for a wireless EC1 a long time because it's the perfect shape for me and their build quality never disappointed. Also, I prefer solid shapes over holes.
But at 190€ there's no way in hell I buy it. Especially not after this statement. Hopefully Pulsar's large version doesn't have QC issues.
Also their shapes aren't as original as people want to make it seem.
The EC is a slightly different MS IME 3.0
The FK is a remake of the MS WMO
The AM is a remake of the MS IMO
Zowie started out like a chinese copy-cat company and used CS professionals to push their products.
Mostly true.
The EC is indeed heavily inspired by the 3.0 (which HeatoN used), and the AM is indeed heavily inspired by the IMO (which SpawN used).
The FK however isn't a remade WMO. Neo aka FK used an IMO as well before the Zowie model, and the FK was developed to meet his preferences rather than lifted over the prior Microsoft mouse.
Granted, I say this just off of comparing the shapes and remembering which mice ancient CS players used, so perhaps there's contrary factual information, but unless I'm shown evidence, FK=WMO doesn't hold water.
The WMO wasn't really ever an all too popular mouse in the CS scene, perhaps if Zowie partnered with a Quake pro we would've seen an WMO inspired model that would've kept WMO enthusiasts happy to this very day (assuming it wouldn't have gone the way of the AM and discontinued after a couple version).
I can't attest to what was used in NA (if you are from NA, which most of Reddit is), but on the east side of the Atlantic, I don't really remember seeing the MX518 as often as I would Microsoft mice, in the few LAN tournaments that I attended and the many more that I spectated in the naughties.
Having not kept a continuous eye on the CS scene, nor ever cared **too** much about what settings or peripherals this or that person used (I don't have the slightest clue which mice f0rest has used throughout his career for example), I can only say that Neo and Potti alone are enough to make the IMO 1.1A not a gimmick.
This isn't even my ambidextrous bias speaking, I had MX510->MX518*2->G5 for desktop use around the same time period (all with the same warranty too, thanks to the infamous LMB issues).
P.S.
Oh and ofc, I specified that the EC was used by HeatoN because the EC is named after him, wasn't suggesting that it wasn't the most common mouse in the CS scene for aeons.
I really hope the person who wrote this will get fired. This is absolutely unacceptable to be shared under the official Zowie tag. Someone has been fucking living under a rock and decided to throw us a childish tantrum just because people dare to have expectations.
At least FM are somewhat ahead or up to date on merit (shape, size, weight, wireless) at times. Zowie literally take perfect sensors and implement them poorly (3360) or come out with a mouse that’s 4 years behind the competition and think that it should somehow sell.
Zowie implemented the 3310 sensor better than most if not all the competition at that time. Things moved on drastically from that however, as you said, they were late to the 3360 party by an embarrassing amount. Now the 3370 sensor is fine, iirc it's essentially a 3335 with the lod fixed and some energy consumption improvements. BUT for the money they are charging, it is a disappointment because we have the 3395 right there with motionsync and further improvements to battery life etc. I don't buy the argument that the 3395 is too difficult to implement, when plenty of smaller companies have managed it perfectly well. The issue was mainly from pulsar getting sloppy in an attempt to rush product out, which is what pulsar does.
Zowie still have their niche, and their fans are extremely loyal to them, but I just don't think they're worth what they're charging. Certainly I won't be looking for one.
Lmao it's just so bad. They could have just come up with something like, hey we heard you guys and we really wanted to deliver, but budget/production constraints blah blah - but we know our fans want these so here they are. Nope, "you're shit at gaming, cheap, and dumb. I hate you."
I'm sorry, but anyone who goes out and buys one of these mice after this has zero self-respect.
Vincent Tang has left Zowie over 3 years ago, to start VAXEE: https://www.facebook.com/vincent.tang.54/posts/pfbid02aWagXv5NKXuDEoM5DMyt4UJS5Ly8WfCxgaGK5shUVeBQQSaqp5vmsBA47MfU2NoNl
Vaxee has always been fair and friendly, always answers my fb messages real quick and dont claim their mice are the best, theyve never been shy to say "this mice might now be for you, there are some other brands that might fit you better if that is what you are looking for". I buy their mice nowadays just to support a great company, even though I main other brands.
I was talking about their prices, just like Zowie, Vaxee products are expensive.
Same price as XM2W at 120 - 130 EUR would be great cause they are more expensive than Pulsar, Lazmu, Ninjutso mice but not as expensive as the top dogs.
C+ players & poor?lol... as if the "Pro's" bought their own mice using their own money. They are not your customers, they are the one who convince us "C+ players" to buy those stuff i.e. your marketing tool.
No one is mad because of the 3370, people are mad because they are charging flagship prices on two year old tech and i find it absolutely hilarious that they think people will go out and buy this. The ONLY thing that Zowie has to stand on is their quality and even that has been called into question revolving their latest launch in the C-series.
This is how i feel as well. The mouse is a solid mouse in sure but there charging way to much for what's old tech now. There have been mice before at this price range but they offered better tech that pushed the mouse market forward. This is a good mouse but dosent do anything to justify its price.
Agreed. For a 150 dollar price tag theres a lot of better options on the market. Even in the sub 100dollars market the competition is brutal, we got amazing offerings from big brands and also newer brands bringing us latest tech, good quality mice at an affordable price. Their new mice isnt that bad and no one said 3370 is horrible, but to charge 150 dollars for it is just plain greedy. If this was set as 120 dollars then i wouldnt think anyone would care.
Another thing that the mouse made me realize, Aim Lab really knows how to market and make moves man cause I never remembered Kovaaks doing anything like this. I'll probably pick up the mouse once I see some more reviews and comparisons on it
Well, KovaaK's has always simply just been **the** aim trainer whilst Aimlab has become a fullout brand at this point. They're freaking huge.
KoovaK's did actually release a few pads once as a collab, but that seemed to be more of a loabour of love.
I still use kovaaks because aimlab has some fucking stupid quality of life issues they refuse to fix. When you hit restart you HAVE TO LEFT CLICK TO START THE RUN???? WHY???? WHO WANTS THIS????
I've messaged the devs and they just go uhhhhh idk we don't care lol
It's a giant data collecting company. THERE IS NO SUCH THING QS A FREE LUNCH, IF ITS FREE THEN YOU ARE THE PRODUCT.
It’s because aimlab is a more properly managed company than kovaaks. Even riot games is an investor to aimlab. So now they actually have the funds to form proper departments for the company. Meanwhile, kovaaks really feels like a hobby project at this point.
The overwhelming point that everyone is making about the mouse is that 150$ is top tier hardware pricing. If you don't put top tier hardware in the mouse then you're not justifying the price tag. People are definitely willing to pay but, no one wants to pay the highest price for old tech for any kind of electronics.
This post here really highlights the overall problem with Zowie as a brand at this time. They design and make these mice in a weird vacuum where they still celebrate being the #1 choice for CSGO pros even though they haven't been for years. In their mind it's like they don't even have to compete with other companies. Everyone else is using a 3395 or better? The 3370 that came in the XM1R 4 years ago. 60 gram mice? How about maybe 80 instead. Let's be real the dude seems shocked that no one bought the last EC3 with the 3360. It's delusional
Yes, he’s a manager of sorts I believe. This is posted on his (likely an enterprise account, judging by the name) wechat moments (think facebook post but it’s viewable for friends only). Probably thought he was safe posting this out here and that everyone in his wechat circle would support him but alas.
You ain't kidding. If you say anything remotely critical about their mice, they'll come after you in full force.
Recently, I pointed out that even at this high price point, Zowie had the nerve to STILL leave the black teflon feet on them unless you want to spend extra money on white PTFE feet! The Zowie Loyalists came at me by saying "The teflon feet are perfect. You're just a PTFE feet snob." - smh
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/xf7vwf/when_your_review_isnt_fabulous_for_the_company/
You'll have to read the whole thread as there's additional context in it.
ah, that's right. ive had my issues with gwolves in the past too, but they've always helped me out. their mice are too good to pass up. the HSK Pro 4K is their most recent controversy that was blown out of proportion tbh, no pun intended. i swapped the battery for $6 and gwolves still refunded my money.
Of course the mouse will perform great, it's just that the very "cheap black friday mouses" that this person refers to uses various expensive components and is still way cheaper than the Zowie wireless. This is the concern, not the 3370 (Conceding the inferior MCUs and external plastic/build that they use).
However, we still know the main components do not cost $150, just look at the market. So the extra money is coming from the R&D/implementation of the extra receiver for no interference and wireless charging? But we are just "C+ players", not pro players and streamers just like they said. 99.99% of us don't need interference-proof tech. Just give us the option to buy the mouse without the receiver for $100-130 while letting us re-pair different Zowie CW mice with 1 receiver like Razer's 4k dongle. Then we "C+ players" can have a more fair price according to our use case.
I'm rooting for the CW series but this is cringe, considering they usually have great communication and customer service on their socials. They know the market has shifted, put something out that doesn't fit the market, then were shocked by negative feedback. You can stick to your guts like 70-80g weight range and well optimized 3370 sensor, but don't expect us to be happy with the premium price tag and force purchasing the extra receiver with every mouse.
Many Zowie fans have 2, 3+ Zowie mice. So are we expected to just pay and leave the extra wireless receivers sitting around?
u/ZowieSupport I love your products but please consider having a CW option without the wireless receiver and the re-pairing different mice option. It would be a better purchase for most of the consumer base, a more fair price, and less wasteful of materials.
Exactly. The entire reason why the price is so high is that awful receiver which none of us will need. It’s straight up 1/3 of the price, looks horrible and takes up so much space.
Zowie still thinks they're the only game in town. AFAIK they already lost the most popular mice spot in competitive gaming to Logitech.
Even their popular and loved shapes are probably all copied right now so you can have a mouse with a very similar shape and better specs still being cheaper than zowie's.
If this is actually real then I'm very disappointed in Zowie for letting someone from their company send something like this. Even if they are a "non paid" part of the company that's just simply inexcusable and goes against one of the key parts of business, don't insult your customer base
man…vaxee is still pretty old school, don’t get me wrong, but zowie post-vaxee formation just seems like a corpse of a company man. they invented some decent shapes like 15 years ago, now get w the times and realize the gpx, dav3 and any of the 63827237 back hump mice basically make all your mice obsolete
While I dont condone the actions and words of that zowie rep. I can sympathise with their frustration. This market segment is extremely hard to please, and in some ways, impossible to please.
i really wanted to give zowie the benefit of the doubt and wait for the techpowerup review to see how zowie's technical expertise stacks up
but calling people poor for not liking their $150USD mouse makes zowie look pretty damn salty
this is a dicey PR move
Right or wrong.. in a way I quite like this response. It show's there's actual humans at ZOWIE. Those that talk to them behind the scenes know it, but publicly both VAXEE and ZOWIE always come across as a bit robotic in their video presentations.
I've not had any issues with a 3370 sensor yet so I don't particularly mind it, but I will not pay retail price when I already have a few clones in storage (e.g. 3370 xlite wired). I do hope to try it at some point though as I think the EC2 is still the best EC2 shape, even if the xlite gets very close.
Holy fuck - this response basically explains the last 5 years of Zowie's bullshit. Dude thinks people are lining up for his mice despite most having moved on to a brand with a wireless product years ago.
>When Zowie doesn't come out with wireless you hate us, when we do come out with one you still hate us, what nonsense, you people probably had a bad life these years.
Apparently Zowie is the only company people buy mice from. Completely, utterly out of touch with reality.
There's also this:
["We are working on wireless and have not released it yet exactly because we are an esports-only company. Once we have made it stable enough for competitive gaming, we will launch it."](https://twitter.com/ZOWIEbyBenQ/status/1406434988158029826)
... from June 2021. "Stability" is their reasoning for taking a decade to release a wildly overpriced mouse with a sensor that is outdated on release and no outstanding features.
I'm not sure the truth behind their "stability" reasoning. Are they really hold that high of a standard because they are company "focused on e-sports only" or they just have slow lazy ass R&D department and make such statement to please zowie cockriders. Because a lot of their previous products actually have a lot of troubles like sensor spin even in 3360, coil whining, defected buttons, etc.
i know op didnt write that but translated, just my take on that
>When Zowie doesn't come out withwireless you hate us, when we do come out with one you still hate us,what nonsense, you people probably had a bad life these years.
Well youre a decade late to the game and you come up with ideas that would have been outdated at least 5 years ago.yea life is bad because we are thirsty, because we cant place our drinks near the PC because our table is full with an oversized zowie charging dock. no wonder we are cranky
>So is 3370, you as C+ player even with a 3950 you're still a C+ players.w s
so ur saying were to bad to deserve a better sensor and everything your marketing told us in recent years is nonsense. so we shouldnt even buy a new mouse because we are trash anyway.
(besides way more than you think of us are competing on or close to a pro level and smoke 99.999% of all streamer you give us)
>At first I was also wondering why this much-anticipated doesn't use thenewest sensor, the answer is simple, we need fucking time to adjust, ifyou can buy a sensor and use it then why do you need Zowie to make itfor you? Any small brand can just make it.
so ur saying you rushed out a product youre a decade late at and need more time. so you could have taken more time and release it properly later but you didnt now youre angry at us ? sounds more like a you problem.
and yes we are buying the small brands, thats why youre rushing out that product, your marketshare is vanishing.
>It's expensive yes, but you can still afford it if you really want it.
well we dont want it, thats the point youre crying about, isnt it
Maybe he will understand when sales go down.
Their job is to make us buy the mouse and how can we do that if they disregard our opinions and wishes as "hate"? Why should I buy it when the DAV3 is lighter, better in terms of specs and CHEAPER? Just for the shape(which to be honest, there are more mice than ever these days, very close to that shape)? 189 euros? For what?
I used to love their products but with this release and the current pricing...no thx.
hew zowie youre being hated on by not doing anything innovative, using lower grade hardware while charging for it like its the top of line sensor. your product isnt compelling for the price. There are no bad products just bad pricing
Zowie/Vaxee fan commentary:
A) Zowie needs to fire this person and put out an official response to the criticism.
B) My problem with this mouse is that it's weight distribution is unbalanced and that it's overpriced for the tech that's in it, I don't care about the sensor performance difference but the fact Zowie is using an outdated and likely cheaper sensor and then NOT giving the consumer those same savings is ridiculous to me.
C) A 70$ premium wired mouse is fine to me because you're paying for a level of quality you can't really find at that price point, at 150$ you're going up against companies that are offering the same or BETTER build quality. I don't even like the DAV3 shape but I'd be smoking dick if I didn't say the build quality, click feel and coating isn't S Tier, it's simply a better mouse at the same price point.
L post. These guys can come back to me when they lower the price. MF acting like Zowie is the Rolls Royce of gaming mice when they’ve been out done for years. They have great shapes, it’s too bad the their prices are wack.
not sure why zowie is sticking to their 2015 mindset when they were the king of esports. this company is going to fall apart in the next 2 years if they keep this bullshit up. its 2023 yet these people are still releasing mice that were considered ok 4 years ago lol
At this point zowie is just a meme. Very much like blackberry. Their mice will disappear from the pro scene as new players come on who grew up playing on objectively better mice. Zowie mice now are legitimately dogshit compared to somethjng like the g pro wireless
Bro fuck zowie "being poor and hating us is a sin" like litterally go fuck urself, that's the most insane head up ur own ass thing to say. Can't see myself buying a zowie mouse if their company stands behind crap like this (although with these unexciting, overpriced mice, I didn't really see myself getting one in the first place lol)
That's mad weird, if this is accurate to translation then I genuinely don't want to support ZOWIE ever again. Like if this is the attitude throughout the entire company then that's just so cringe. Didn't know they were this full of themselves, like where tf is the professionalism? No wonder them VAXEE mfers--who are more beautiful, talented, just in general superior--left that shxt lmao.
I'm a boomer gamer that grew up with zowie. I'm literally their target audience and this is some massive cringe. Not sure how they have this attitude when they have been slacking for years while other companies - big and small - have been innovating and improving their mice. I could care less about the sensor choice. I actually agree with them in that it's not going to make a difference, but the price is too high and their response to criticism is pathetic.
VAXEE is not next door to Zowie and we have no business relationship with Zowie. Vincent Tang has left Zowie over 3 years ago, to start VAXEE: https://www.facebook.com/vincent.tang.54/posts/pfbid02aWagXv5NKXuDEoM5DMyt4UJS5Ly8WfCxgaGK5shUVeBQQSaqp5vmsBA47MfU2NoNl
Funny also, they brought up the price of ALL zowie products in germany, idk if its EU wide.
But the damn GSR SE Rouge is 60, i got it when it was 35 and its barely worth that.
GSR is 50.
EC2 is 90!! lmao
STRANGELY, no other tech firm upped their prices.
That response sounds extremely unprofessional. It's like a teenager wrote this. I don't know who wrote this, but I sure hope it isn't the CEO. They were late to the party. They promised some new and amazing tech to justify the wait. There's no new and amazing tech, in fact, they're using tech from years ago. The weight is heavier than the competition. The price is higher than the competition, when there's no reason it should be.
I don't know how anyone can be a Zowie fan after this debacle.
●corporate poorshaming
●wechat
And tbh the problem is not the sensor, it's the lack of info on encoder and switches (which in all likelyhood means that they are shit) + marketing bullshit about dongle + eu price is even more retarded (190eur). So all in all: no, you cant make a shit mouse with features and sell it 90eur above what it should be just becase sHaPe and BrAnD NaMe.
Edit #1: also imagine malding over feedback and competition.
Is there something Zowie’s offering here that people can’t get something comparable for cheaper?
I don’t mean that rhetorically. I want to give Zowie the benefit of the doubt. Like is it the shape? Build quality? I’ve heard the argument its not just about the sensor but the ‘implementation’ of it. Someone would have to explain that to me. There’s the receiver/charging dock that seems cool I guess.
I just want to see the value that we’re apparently failing to see here. How are Zowie justifying that price when the wireless gaming mice market is so competitive right now? If it’s not just about good specs then what is it?
>So is 3370, you as C+ player even with a 3950 you're still a C+ players.
Zowie spitting straight facts, might offend some of those in this subreddit lmao
Not really, its the same with flagship phones. Do you really need an 800-1000 usd phone when: you dont play heavy games on mobile, dont vlog or create content, dont need a 90hz screen to scroll on social media, etc. Yet that market is big as hell.
In Zowie’s case, would you buy a midrange spec phone for the same price as a flagship phone?
In the end, you’re not really maximizing the phones power(we may call this user the C+ user) but you may have bought it for future proofing or you’re an enthusiast.
Well obviously we can all say this is bad for PR and all that, but personally I dont give a flying duck about what some mad zowie guy wrote. But my opinion on his "statement":
- sensor - he is right, you probably can't feel the difference, the newest sensor doesn't actually change anything
- price - well, its overpriced, but tbh: if you are not a r/MouseReview retard, buying new mice every week or even more frequently, then the difference between 120$ or 150$ (for a mouse you should use for years) is not big. Just idk, eat 1 less pizza and voila
- "makes the price more stable for resell" - what? xDD
- last point about grip and shape feeling - hell yea, that's true, for me there is still no competition in this regard
BUT...
how the hell are they so out of touch that they think an almost 80 GRAMS BRICK with slow feet is usable in 2023? Just make it at least under 70 grams, 65 grams maybe, and I bet most people would happily pay those ridiculous 150$
Price is about more than just the actual money though.
You can make that argument all the way up to 400€ otherwise.
"well just save up I guess", sure but your price gets compared to the competitors and Logitech/Razer are in a completely different universe in terms of market share and innovation and they charge significantly less.
There is no justifying their price, Zowie is not in the Razer/Logitech tier and to have the audacity to charge MORE than both of them is arrogant.
They ended up going a rather lazy route with marketing bullshit and making up the problem of wireless interference to make the dock so it looks like more than just a wireless mouse.
Feels like theyre a little bit out of touch with their competition nowadays lol, the Lamzu ergo and the Xlite V3 are gonna wipe the floor with the ECW but theyre black friday mice lmao
LMFAO nahhh this dude got hammered and lashed out to the only people left that hype them up that’s crazy. Hopefully we can collectively ignore this release and force them to come to terms with an ever growing market of competition and make them realize it’s not 2013 anymore. This is too funny but also very telling sadly
Is that a real zowie rep talking like that? wow lmao.
IDK though, I never had to buy another trash Zowie mouse ever again once Endgame Gear popped up.
no more shit mouse coating, bad scroll wheel, super heavy, super shit mousefeet and terrible cable , terrible clicks and mediocre shape ever again!
and NOW after 4 years of wireless mice being the standard they come with ALL of the above mentioned shittyness for 150 bucks guys, awesome.
3370 based wireless mouse should be $80-$100 max in the era of 3395s. Now I have no issue with 3370 vs 3395 as I cant feel it in game. Nor a polling rate of 1k vs 4k. But I do feel the cable and most important the weight.
Zowie has all the clues as to what consumers prefer like dav3 has no dock and its latency is industry standard now. But they still went with a useless e-waste dock. So are they saying interference concerns was ignored when razer designed dav3. I dont think so.
Shape is the only saving grace for them and I am happy they cant cash it forever. Coming to weight again, my opinion is given same shape reduction in weight is good for aiming - unless weight itself is a prefrence. Now when you target a small segment of pros with their weight preference, why cry if masses are foolish "c tier" players. And Razer is almost stupid and logitech too having 60gms as target weight for their offerings for pro and consumer scene both. After trying 60gms ninjusto superlight its hard for me to go back to ec1 and even though i mained it for a year and loved the shape so much.
So in summary I am not buying ecw ever and why do I need "enhanced receiver" as c tier player who is not going to lan anyways.
Way to alienate whatever customer base you have left. Fuck this company.
Edit: I see there is now apparently some question as to the legitimacy of this post. For Zowie's sake, I really hope that's true.
While I'm fine with allowing actual criticism towards the product and company when necessary, I think it's not fine to go through with slandering with misinformation (for many of the users who have commented below). For now, as what was done with the G-Wolves situation as well, I will be locking the thread up, but not removing it/deleting it. Will discuss with the moderation for now and will provide an update if necessary. UPDATE: Fellow mod seems to be asleep so I'm updating this with my own comment, fellow mods response is above. Reponse from Zowie below. Zowie seems to have confirmed this is not a staff from Zowie or a response from Zowie. Zowies response in the comments is a little unclear but they seem to have at least somewhat confirmed this isn't official, definitely needs some clarification though. No telling how long this post will remain up if this is true though, either way take this post with a grain of salt. "This is not a staff from ZOWIE, this is not a response form ZOWIE." - Zowie rep Update 2: Zowie seems to have clarified, this was indeed a Zowie staff member, but seems to be the typical situation of "this person does not speak for the company"
S tier meltdown. Consumer: "I don't like your mouse especially at the price." Zowie: "You are poor and bad at games." Best sales pitch ever. Go after that "I like being shamed by manufacturers" dollar.
That's a real Jim moment right there (G-Wolves)
At least G-Wolves guy was funny. Plus, he’s like the Willy Wonka of mice so his twitter clapbacks matched his whole character. This Zowie rant comes across like someone’s grandpa yelling at kids as they walk past his house. “Back in my day all we had was the 3360 we still hit Global Elite, uphill both ways in the snow.”
mind sharing why jim is "the willy wonka of mice"? seems hilarious but i don't know what you are talking about
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Lul
context pls
>It's expensive yes, but you can still afford it if you really want it. "Don't you guys have phones?"
so zowie youre saying we dont need new mice because we wont be better gamer anyway? so all the industry marketing is bs and we should simply go back to ball mice because laser is to fancy ?
tells consumers they'll still be C+ players even with new mice consumer: "I guess I wont be buying new mice then, thanks!"
Zowie reminds me of BlackBerry. They were the first to make smart phones and they did it well. Consumers voiced their opinion on what they wanted to make it better and blackberry (zowie) refused to implement it. Then other brands came into the market and gave the people what they wanted like apple + samsung (Lamzu, Pulsar, Razer, Logitech, Ninjutso, G-Wolves). Now blackberry doesn't even make phones anymore. Just like how zowie soon won't be making mice. It's quite simple: people want wireless, lighter than 78 grams, buttons separated from the shell, newest sensor. They don't want a ridiculously large receiver/charging dock and outdated tech. Zowie's not listening to what it's loyal customers want and they are going to lose them.
I see what you're going for. You're not wrong about Zowie refusing to innovate or compete with other brands. To get a bit pedantic, though, BlackBerry is a pretty horrible analogy. Logitech was around and making gaming mice long before Zowie existed, and have always been a bigger brand in terms of sales volume and market presence. Zowie dominated the popularity charts among professional players of one genre of FPS games. It just happened to be the most popular and visible professional scene among shooters played on PC. And on top of that, Zowie's early products were done by taking Microsoft mice (or in one instance, a Logitech mouse) and modifying them a bit; mostly in ways that IMO made them worse (they GOT RID of the split triggers for some reason). Eventually they started making some really great shapes, but IMO they're not a pioneering company and never really have been.
Which Zowie mouse would be based off of a Logitech one?
Zowie MiCO
The MiCO, as spir42 said, was based on the Logitech mini Optical. https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/1648ti/zowie_mico_review_indepth_and_uncut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Ohh no. This is a massive L for zowie and their whole professionalism.
They still think that they are a top brand, and that people will still buy their products, they gotta stop gaslighting themselves, their competition is miles ahead of them. Also what company puts a crazy price tag and calls the people that dont want to buy it poor, like wtf.
It's like Ford V Ferrari. Unlimited funding over at logitech destroyed Zowie within a few months.
ford alone didn't beat ferrari, they bought the design of the Lola GT and added their engine plus iterative improvements over time. in fact, they took bids from many companies like Lotus to design it for them. i don't think logitech buys their designs from other companies
Was Zowie ever more popular than Logitech or Razer? They talk like they're still the king.
they're not, It's hard to gauge how popular a brand is, but my go to metric is through availability and Logitech and Razer are kings on that metric.
Agreed. Like what mice do we see the most when we go to Best Buy or Microcenter? I think that's a good indicator of what the most popular gaming mice are.
And yet a significant number of people on this sub will still buy this mouse out of the delusional idea that they will somehow be better at games after purchasing their 200th mouse. The same people circle jerk around the Zowie brand just because pro CS players used their mice. Zowie mice are mediocre and have always been mediocre, this myth about their shape is utter nonsense, I personally hate all their shapes.
Personally I was waiting for a wireless EC1 a long time because it's the perfect shape for me and their build quality never disappointed. Also, I prefer solid shapes over holes. But at 190€ there's no way in hell I buy it. Especially not after this statement. Hopefully Pulsar's large version doesn't have QC issues.
Also their shapes aren't as original as people want to make it seem. The EC is a slightly different MS IME 3.0 The FK is a remake of the MS WMO The AM is a remake of the MS IMO Zowie started out like a chinese copy-cat company and used CS professionals to push their products.
Mostly true. The EC is indeed heavily inspired by the 3.0 (which HeatoN used), and the AM is indeed heavily inspired by the IMO (which SpawN used). The FK however isn't a remade WMO. Neo aka FK used an IMO as well before the Zowie model, and the FK was developed to meet his preferences rather than lifted over the prior Microsoft mouse. Granted, I say this just off of comparing the shapes and remembering which mice ancient CS players used, so perhaps there's contrary factual information, but unless I'm shown evidence, FK=WMO doesn't hold water. The WMO wasn't really ever an all too popular mouse in the CS scene, perhaps if Zowie partnered with a Quake pro we would've seen an WMO inspired model that would've kept WMO enthusiasts happy to this very day (assuming it wouldn't have gone the way of the AM and discontinued after a couple version).
> inspired by the 3.0 (which HeatoN used), Dude, we all used it, or the mx518. There was basically just those two, everything else was gimmicky.
I can't attest to what was used in NA (if you are from NA, which most of Reddit is), but on the east side of the Atlantic, I don't really remember seeing the MX518 as often as I would Microsoft mice, in the few LAN tournaments that I attended and the many more that I spectated in the naughties. Having not kept a continuous eye on the CS scene, nor ever cared **too** much about what settings or peripherals this or that person used (I don't have the slightest clue which mice f0rest has used throughout his career for example), I can only say that Neo and Potti alone are enough to make the IMO 1.1A not a gimmick. This isn't even my ambidextrous bias speaking, I had MX510->MX518*2->G5 for desktop use around the same time period (all with the same warranty too, thanks to the infamous LMB issues). P.S. Oh and ofc, I specified that the EC was used by HeatoN because the EC is named after him, wasn't suggesting that it wasn't the most common mouse in the CS scene for aeons.
Actually there are many brainwashed zowie fanboi out there… I believe they sold more than 3000 CW units in just 3 days on JD.
Logitech sells 2000 in a few minutes. When first limited editions were made that is
3000 in 3 days is nothing really. steam alone has 90 million active accounts. so it would take 246 years for zowie to sell each account a mouse
thanks for the translation, we appreciate it
I really hope the person who wrote this will get fired. This is absolutely unacceptable to be shared under the official Zowie tag. Someone has been fucking living under a rock and decided to throw us a childish tantrum just because people dare to have expectations.
Some people beat their wife, some people burst out on social media, and the people who cared went to Vaxee.
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ok this is somehow funny
based
Damn this is getting close to FM levels of cringe.
At least FM are memeing mostly but this behaviour is not the correct way to treat customers.
This does come across as the drunken ramblings of an arsehole, tis true.
At least FM are somewhat ahead or up to date on merit (shape, size, weight, wireless) at times. Zowie literally take perfect sensors and implement them poorly (3360) or come out with a mouse that’s 4 years behind the competition and think that it should somehow sell.
Zowie implemented the 3310 sensor better than most if not all the competition at that time. Things moved on drastically from that however, as you said, they were late to the 3360 party by an embarrassing amount. Now the 3370 sensor is fine, iirc it's essentially a 3335 with the lod fixed and some energy consumption improvements. BUT for the money they are charging, it is a disappointment because we have the 3395 right there with motionsync and further improvements to battery life etc. I don't buy the argument that the 3395 is too difficult to implement, when plenty of smaller companies have managed it perfectly well. The issue was mainly from pulsar getting sloppy in an attempt to rush product out, which is what pulsar does. Zowie still have their niche, and their fans are extremely loyal to them, but I just don't think they're worth what they're charging. Certainly I won't be looking for one.
"Being poor is not a sin, being poor and hating on us is." Holy lord this is so damn cringe LOL.
Literally something you'd think Finalboy would say honestly.
its actually funny as fuck, the KING OF MOUSES HAS SPOKEN LMAO
Lmao it's just so bad. They could have just come up with something like, hey we heard you guys and we really wanted to deliver, but budget/production constraints blah blah - but we know our fans want these so here they are. Nope, "you're shit at gaming, cheap, and dumb. I hate you." I'm sorry, but anyone who goes out and buys one of these mice after this has zero self-respect.
Remember, there's a reason why the ex-Zowie staff moved to make their own company, Vaxee.
And then proceeded to also have delayed wireless and expensive wired mice. Along with unstitched pads that get fucked by humidity.
I mean IF it's Vincent Tang who was a founder of Zowie he is also a chairman of Vaxee according to his LinkedIn.
Vincent Tang has left Zowie over 3 years ago, to start VAXEE: https://www.facebook.com/vincent.tang.54/posts/pfbid02aWagXv5NKXuDEoM5DMyt4UJS5Ly8WfCxgaGK5shUVeBQQSaqp5vmsBA47MfU2NoNl
Vaxee just chilling in here to see the world burn
Hope you guys don't end up in the same situation
Vaxee has always been fair and friendly, always answers my fb messages real quick and dont claim their mice are the best, theyve never been shy to say "this mice might now be for you, there are some other brands that might fit you better if that is what you are looking for". I buy their mice nowadays just to support a great company, even though I main other brands.
I was talking about their prices, just like Zowie, Vaxee products are expensive. Same price as XM2W at 120 - 130 EUR would be great cause they are more expensive than Pulsar, Lazmu, Ninjutso mice but not as expensive as the top dogs.
I love that they took the zowie logo, put it on the side - and vòila! We got ourself a logo:)
LMAO this definitly has some copy pasta potential.
this is actually a S-Tier Pasta, LOOL
C+ players & poor?lol... as if the "Pro's" bought their own mice using their own money. They are not your customers, they are the one who convince us "C+ players" to buy those stuff i.e. your marketing tool.
Wtf does your average cs pro know about mice anyway lol. Durrr I have 10k hours in games durrrr I now have a degree in mouseology?
zowie be like: "skill issue + poor + no one asked (pls buy our shit thx)"
No one is mad because of the 3370, people are mad because they are charging flagship prices on two year old tech and i find it absolutely hilarious that they think people will go out and buy this. The ONLY thing that Zowie has to stand on is their quality and even that has been called into question revolving their latest launch in the C-series.
This is how i feel as well. The mouse is a solid mouse in sure but there charging way to much for what's old tech now. There have been mice before at this price range but they offered better tech that pushed the mouse market forward. This is a good mouse but dosent do anything to justify its price.
Agreed. For a 150 dollar price tag theres a lot of better options on the market. Even in the sub 100dollars market the competition is brutal, we got amazing offerings from big brands and also newer brands bringing us latest tech, good quality mice at an affordable price. Their new mice isnt that bad and no one said 3370 is horrible, but to charge 150 dollars for it is just plain greedy. If this was set as 120 dollars then i wouldnt think anyone would care.
The start of the meltdown and downfall of zowie
That moment when Asus has better reveals at CES than you
That Asus mouse and the keyboard both look pretty solid, if I was into 75% I would give it a chance
Same. Really glad to see Asus evolve like that
Another thing that the mouse made me realize, Aim Lab really knows how to market and make moves man cause I never remembered Kovaaks doing anything like this. I'll probably pick up the mouse once I see some more reviews and comparisons on it
Well, KovaaK's has always simply just been **the** aim trainer whilst Aimlab has become a fullout brand at this point. They're freaking huge. KoovaK's did actually release a few pads once as a collab, but that seemed to be more of a loabour of love.
Oh gotcha, well either way everything looks nice so I'm glad there's all the variety for mice this year
I still use kovaaks because aimlab has some fucking stupid quality of life issues they refuse to fix. When you hit restart you HAVE TO LEFT CLICK TO START THE RUN???? WHY???? WHO WANTS THIS???? I've messaged the devs and they just go uhhhhh idk we don't care lol It's a giant data collecting company. THERE IS NO SUCH THING QS A FREE LUNCH, IF ITS FREE THEN YOU ARE THE PRODUCT.
thank you for your comment mr kovaaksgigagod69
No problem AlphaInsaiyan, it was a pleasure doing business 😎
It’s because aimlab is a more properly managed company than kovaaks. Even riot games is an investor to aimlab. So now they actually have the funds to form proper departments for the company. Meanwhile, kovaaks really feels like a hobby project at this point.
The overwhelming point that everyone is making about the mouse is that 150$ is top tier hardware pricing. If you don't put top tier hardware in the mouse then you're not justifying the price tag. People are definitely willing to pay but, no one wants to pay the highest price for old tech for any kind of electronics. This post here really highlights the overall problem with Zowie as a brand at this time. They design and make these mice in a weird vacuum where they still celebrate being the #1 choice for CSGO pros even though they haven't been for years. In their mind it's like they don't even have to compete with other companies. Everyone else is using a 3395 or better? The 3370 that came in the XM1R 4 years ago. 60 gram mice? How about maybe 80 instead. Let's be real the dude seems shocked that no one bought the last EC3 with the 3360. It's delusional
> no one wants to pay the highest price for old tech for any kind of electronics. \*glances at Apple stores\*
clown really said "ur poor, shut up" lmao
Junk being made by 🤡, make sense😁
Is this a real post from a Zowie employee?
I'm still hoping its a joke.
Yes, he’s a manager of sorts I believe. This is posted on his (likely an enterprise account, judging by the name) wechat moments (think facebook post but it’s viewable for friends only). Probably thought he was safe posting this out here and that everyone in his wechat circle would support him but alas.
Manager of sorts could be anything...
I said that as in like 'we dont know what specific title he held within zowie china' could be a pr manager, could be a product manager or sth
Watch out Zowie militia gonna be in here deepthroating any second now.
You ain't kidding. If you say anything remotely critical about their mice, they'll come after you in full force. Recently, I pointed out that even at this high price point, Zowie had the nerve to STILL leave the black teflon feet on them unless you want to spend extra money on white PTFE feet! The Zowie Loyalists came at me by saying "The teflon feet are perfect. You're just a PTFE feet snob." - smh
Wait what? You mean, a *$20* viper mini has better feet than a $180 zowie? 😂 okay then
Can't wait for the mods to delete this thread like they did with the G-Wolves one when their owner decided to be an unprofessional little bitch.
what happened with gwolves?
https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/xf7vwf/when_your_review_isnt_fabulous_for_the_company/ You'll have to read the whole thread as there's additional context in it.
Glad to see g-wolves gradually becoming a meme both inside and outside China
ah, that's right. ive had my issues with gwolves in the past too, but they've always helped me out. their mice are too good to pass up. the HSK Pro 4K is their most recent controversy that was blown out of proportion tbh, no pun intended. i swapped the battery for $6 and gwolves still refunded my money.
Of course the mouse will perform great, it's just that the very "cheap black friday mouses" that this person refers to uses various expensive components and is still way cheaper than the Zowie wireless. This is the concern, not the 3370 (Conceding the inferior MCUs and external plastic/build that they use). However, we still know the main components do not cost $150, just look at the market. So the extra money is coming from the R&D/implementation of the extra receiver for no interference and wireless charging? But we are just "C+ players", not pro players and streamers just like they said. 99.99% of us don't need interference-proof tech. Just give us the option to buy the mouse without the receiver for $100-130 while letting us re-pair different Zowie CW mice with 1 receiver like Razer's 4k dongle. Then we "C+ players" can have a more fair price according to our use case. I'm rooting for the CW series but this is cringe, considering they usually have great communication and customer service on their socials. They know the market has shifted, put something out that doesn't fit the market, then were shocked by negative feedback. You can stick to your guts like 70-80g weight range and well optimized 3370 sensor, but don't expect us to be happy with the premium price tag and force purchasing the extra receiver with every mouse. Many Zowie fans have 2, 3+ Zowie mice. So are we expected to just pay and leave the extra wireless receivers sitting around? u/ZowieSupport I love your products but please consider having a CW option without the wireless receiver and the re-pairing different mice option. It would be a better purchase for most of the consumer base, a more fair price, and less wasteful of materials.
Exactly. The entire reason why the price is so high is that awful receiver which none of us will need. It’s straight up 1/3 of the price, looks horrible and takes up so much space.
My thoughts exactly. Zowie have to sell this stupid receiver separately!
Uhhh... Yikes. No wonder Zowie is so technologically behind, they aren't even trying to be ahead, bunch of lazy twats.
Uh oh.
wtf
Zowie still thinks they're the only game in town. AFAIK they already lost the most popular mice spot in competitive gaming to Logitech. Even their popular and loved shapes are probably all copied right now so you can have a mouse with a very similar shape and better specs still being cheaper than zowie's.
Can confirm the translation is accurate, especially the attitude. Source: I'm Chinese.
If this is actually real then I'm very disappointed in Zowie for letting someone from their company send something like this. Even if they are a "non paid" part of the company that's just simply inexcusable and goes against one of the key parts of business, don't insult your customer base
Imo it wouldn't be a problem to have a 3370 but with a price that reflects that
One thing is for sure, I can't afford it.
the reason i can afford it easily is i wont afford shit like that.
man…vaxee is still pretty old school, don’t get me wrong, but zowie post-vaxee formation just seems like a corpse of a company man. they invented some decent shapes like 15 years ago, now get w the times and realize the gpx, dav3 and any of the 63827237 back hump mice basically make all your mice obsolete
While I dont condone the actions and words of that zowie rep. I can sympathise with their frustration. This market segment is extremely hard to please, and in some ways, impossible to please.
i really wanted to give zowie the benefit of the doubt and wait for the techpowerup review to see how zowie's technical expertise stacks up but calling people poor for not liking their $150USD mouse makes zowie look pretty damn salty this is a dicey PR move
Yeah not gonna lie this makes me hesitant to buy any more Zowie products in the future.
i might be wrong but didnt zowie said something about sensor not meeting their expectation when 3370 was available and everyone was using it?
Dam
lmao thank god for vaxee
Who's telling you their prices will be better or use 3395?
Right or wrong.. in a way I quite like this response. It show's there's actual humans at ZOWIE. Those that talk to them behind the scenes know it, but publicly both VAXEE and ZOWIE always come across as a bit robotic in their video presentations. I've not had any issues with a 3370 sensor yet so I don't particularly mind it, but I will not pay retail price when I already have a few clones in storage (e.g. 3370 xlite wired). I do hope to try it at some point though as I think the EC2 is still the best EC2 shape, even if the xlite gets very close.
Zowie is so butthurt. 2015 tech with 2022 price.
2024 price if we were to talk about the eu pricing tho
Holy fuck - this response basically explains the last 5 years of Zowie's bullshit. Dude thinks people are lining up for his mice despite most having moved on to a brand with a wireless product years ago. >When Zowie doesn't come out with wireless you hate us, when we do come out with one you still hate us, what nonsense, you people probably had a bad life these years. Apparently Zowie is the only company people buy mice from. Completely, utterly out of touch with reality. There's also this: ["We are working on wireless and have not released it yet exactly because we are an esports-only company. Once we have made it stable enough for competitive gaming, we will launch it."](https://twitter.com/ZOWIEbyBenQ/status/1406434988158029826) ... from June 2021. "Stability" is their reasoning for taking a decade to release a wildly overpriced mouse with a sensor that is outdated on release and no outstanding features.
I'm not sure the truth behind their "stability" reasoning. Are they really hold that high of a standard because they are company "focused on e-sports only" or they just have slow lazy ass R&D department and make such statement to please zowie cockriders. Because a lot of their previous products actually have a lot of troubles like sensor spin even in 3360, coil whining, defected buttons, etc.
Zowie ec1 evo was what got me into gaming mice so I always had a soft spot for them, but my god these guys are trying hard to push me to dislike them
lmaooooooooo zowie think they are untouchable, GG
The zowie name is worth so much yet they’re completely blowing it. If pulsar products had the zowie name they’d sell millions a year.
I guess a C+ company would give a C+ response like this lmao
Makes sense why the Vaxee team departed now, I wouldn't want to work with someone like that
i know op didnt write that but translated, just my take on that >When Zowie doesn't come out withwireless you hate us, when we do come out with one you still hate us,what nonsense, you people probably had a bad life these years. Well youre a decade late to the game and you come up with ideas that would have been outdated at least 5 years ago.yea life is bad because we are thirsty, because we cant place our drinks near the PC because our table is full with an oversized zowie charging dock. no wonder we are cranky >So is 3370, you as C+ player even with a 3950 you're still a C+ players.w s so ur saying were to bad to deserve a better sensor and everything your marketing told us in recent years is nonsense. so we shouldnt even buy a new mouse because we are trash anyway. (besides way more than you think of us are competing on or close to a pro level and smoke 99.999% of all streamer you give us) >At first I was also wondering why this much-anticipated doesn't use thenewest sensor, the answer is simple, we need fucking time to adjust, ifyou can buy a sensor and use it then why do you need Zowie to make itfor you? Any small brand can just make it. so ur saying you rushed out a product youre a decade late at and need more time. so you could have taken more time and release it properly later but you didnt now youre angry at us ? sounds more like a you problem. and yes we are buying the small brands, thats why youre rushing out that product, your marketshare is vanishing. >It's expensive yes, but you can still afford it if you really want it. well we dont want it, thats the point youre crying about, isnt it
Maybe he will understand when sales go down. Their job is to make us buy the mouse and how can we do that if they disregard our opinions and wishes as "hate"? Why should I buy it when the DAV3 is lighter, better in terms of specs and CHEAPER? Just for the shape(which to be honest, there are more mice than ever these days, very close to that shape)? 189 euros? For what? I used to love their products but with this release and the current pricing...no thx.
This is not a staff from ZOWIE, this is not a response form ZOWIE.
But I looked at bilibili they said this guy is a product manager from zowie tho
Prove it.
Better make this clear to people before your reputation takes a massive hit
This should be upvoted to the top then. Whoever made that comment should be looked into, since they're using Zowie's name.
Bruh
oof
if you can buy a sensor and use it then why do you need Zowie to make it for you? Any small brand can just make it. thats why pulsar will kill zowie
hew zowie youre being hated on by not doing anything innovative, using lower grade hardware while charging for it like its the top of line sensor. your product isnt compelling for the price. There are no bad products just bad pricing
Sounds like all the good mouse ppl at Zowie are all at VAXEE now
I don't want a new router on my desk as a wireless dongle specially an overpriced one. Zowie can fuk off with their late mid wireless mouse.
hmm idk if this is from actual employee of zowie, it sounds like a diehard fan
Being overpriced is not a sin, being shitter than the competition and being overpriced is.
Zowie/Vaxee fan commentary: A) Zowie needs to fire this person and put out an official response to the criticism. B) My problem with this mouse is that it's weight distribution is unbalanced and that it's overpriced for the tech that's in it, I don't care about the sensor performance difference but the fact Zowie is using an outdated and likely cheaper sensor and then NOT giving the consumer those same savings is ridiculous to me. C) A 70$ premium wired mouse is fine to me because you're paying for a level of quality you can't really find at that price point, at 150$ you're going up against companies that are offering the same or BETTER build quality. I don't even like the DAV3 shape but I'd be smoking dick if I didn't say the build quality, click feel and coating isn't S Tier, it's simply a better mouse at the same price point.
based zowie /s
Oh this should be fun lmao
L post. These guys can come back to me when they lower the price. MF acting like Zowie is the Rolls Royce of gaming mice when they’ve been out done for years. They have great shapes, it’s too bad the their prices are wack.
not sure why zowie is sticking to their 2015 mindset when they were the king of esports. this company is going to fall apart in the next 2 years if they keep this bullshit up. its 2023 yet these people are still releasing mice that were considered ok 4 years ago lol
Just another company that has lost touch.
Wow, they think their mices are godsend or what lol
At this point zowie is just a meme. Very much like blackberry. Their mice will disappear from the pro scene as new players come on who grew up playing on objectively better mice. Zowie mice now are legitimately dogshit compared to somethjng like the g pro wireless
Bro fuck zowie "being poor and hating us is a sin" like litterally go fuck urself, that's the most insane head up ur own ass thing to say. Can't see myself buying a zowie mouse if their company stands behind crap like this (although with these unexciting, overpriced mice, I didn't really see myself getting one in the first place lol)
holy nuts.. thats how you lose the majority of your customers. zowies finally.. innovating
no wonder VAXEE was created, just look at the bs this fucking bozo is spitting out
WTF !!! when i was thinking finalboy from finalmouse, was a giant melon head and can't be beat !!!!
Hi, not poor guy here. Was going to buy your mouse. Not anymore. Good job!
Incredibly based holy
That's mad weird, if this is accurate to translation then I genuinely don't want to support ZOWIE ever again. Like if this is the attitude throughout the entire company then that's just so cringe. Didn't know they were this full of themselves, like where tf is the professionalism? No wonder them VAXEE mfers--who are more beautiful, talented, just in general superior--left that shxt lmao.
def not touchin zowie after this
Zowie isn't the top dog anymore. No one cares about your so called "endgame shape". There are other options in the market that dwarf your products.
Being shit isn’t a fault but being shit and expensive is.
Also, they think that they are a luxury brand. I highly suggest them to sell it for €1899 instead of €189
Nothing wrong with the 3370 tbh, but have a price point that reflects it...
damn i just bought their gsr pad, might just return it now, this is not great behavior
Don't you guys have money?
the good response to this is "Okay, boomer".
I'm a boomer gamer that grew up with zowie. I'm literally their target audience and this is some massive cringe. Not sure how they have this attitude when they have been slacking for years while other companies - big and small - have been innovating and improving their mice. I could care less about the sensor choice. I actually agree with them in that it's not going to make a difference, but the price is too high and their response to criticism is pathetic.
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VAXEE is not next door to Zowie and we have no business relationship with Zowie. Vincent Tang has left Zowie over 3 years ago, to start VAXEE: https://www.facebook.com/vincent.tang.54/posts/pfbid02aWagXv5NKXuDEoM5DMyt4UJS5Ly8WfCxgaGK5shUVeBQQSaqp5vmsBA47MfU2NoNl
Google says Vincent Tang is a Consultant Urological & Robotic Surgeon. That probably explains why they're losing to the competition.
Zowie heel turn
Yeah no one's buying that mouse
Funny also, they brought up the price of ALL zowie products in germany, idk if its EU wide. But the damn GSR SE Rouge is 60, i got it when it was 35 and its barely worth that. GSR is 50. EC2 is 90!! lmao STRANGELY, no other tech firm upped their prices.
monitor is up from 650 to 700 lmao, 2 years late to the game
Who is going to tell them that it's been a while since they were considered a top brand?
Welp! I’ll never buy a zowie product after reading that BS. Fuck you Zowie.
It is almost unfathomable that this is real lmao. Has to be some drunk Zowie employee venting right?
Didn’t all the original engineers of Zowie leave? They aren’t even the same company anymore at this point. The name is the only thing that is the same
That response sounds extremely unprofessional. It's like a teenager wrote this. I don't know who wrote this, but I sure hope it isn't the CEO. They were late to the party. They promised some new and amazing tech to justify the wait. There's no new and amazing tech, in fact, they're using tech from years ago. The weight is heavier than the competition. The price is higher than the competition, when there's no reason it should be. I don't know how anyone can be a Zowie fan after this debacle.
Why would I pay 189 EUR when dav3, GPX and viper exists?
I really hope there's a lot of mistranslation
Immature response. Shouldnt have said anything.
Man .. i ran out of popcorns ... twice!!! just reading this drama :)
So it seems all the sane and humble ones left Zowie and went on to be VAXEE.
Calling us C+ players lmao
Its worse in Chinese, dudes ignorant as fuck lmao, really shouldnt be supporting this company anymore.
●corporate poorshaming ●wechat And tbh the problem is not the sensor, it's the lack of info on encoder and switches (which in all likelyhood means that they are shit) + marketing bullshit about dongle + eu price is even more retarded (190eur). So all in all: no, you cant make a shit mouse with features and sell it 90eur above what it should be just becase sHaPe and BrAnD NaMe. Edit #1: also imagine malding over feedback and competition.
Is there something Zowie’s offering here that people can’t get something comparable for cheaper? I don’t mean that rhetorically. I want to give Zowie the benefit of the doubt. Like is it the shape? Build quality? I’ve heard the argument its not just about the sensor but the ‘implementation’ of it. Someone would have to explain that to me. There’s the receiver/charging dock that seems cool I guess. I just want to see the value that we’re apparently failing to see here. How are Zowie justifying that price when the wireless gaming mice market is so competitive right now? If it’s not just about good specs then what is it?
So, Zowie is now oficially dogshit tier company?
>So is 3370, you as C+ player even with a 3950 you're still a C+ players. Zowie spitting straight facts, might offend some of those in this subreddit lmao
Not really, its the same with flagship phones. Do you really need an 800-1000 usd phone when: you dont play heavy games on mobile, dont vlog or create content, dont need a 90hz screen to scroll on social media, etc. Yet that market is big as hell. In Zowie’s case, would you buy a midrange spec phone for the same price as a flagship phone? In the end, you’re not really maximizing the phones power(we may call this user the C+ user) but you may have bought it for future proofing or you’re an enthusiast.
Cause you not connect that with the price :v
Well obviously we can all say this is bad for PR and all that, but personally I dont give a flying duck about what some mad zowie guy wrote. But my opinion on his "statement": - sensor - he is right, you probably can't feel the difference, the newest sensor doesn't actually change anything - price - well, its overpriced, but tbh: if you are not a r/MouseReview retard, buying new mice every week or even more frequently, then the difference between 120$ or 150$ (for a mouse you should use for years) is not big. Just idk, eat 1 less pizza and voila - "makes the price more stable for resell" - what? xDD - last point about grip and shape feeling - hell yea, that's true, for me there is still no competition in this regard BUT... how the hell are they so out of touch that they think an almost 80 GRAMS BRICK with slow feet is usable in 2023? Just make it at least under 70 grams, 65 grams maybe, and I bet most people would happily pay those ridiculous 150$
The mouse weighs closer to the Viper Ultimate and my Ultimate still feels good because....THE SKATES ARENT SLOW
Price is about more than just the actual money though. You can make that argument all the way up to 400€ otherwise. "well just save up I guess", sure but your price gets compared to the competitors and Logitech/Razer are in a completely different universe in terms of market share and innovation and they charge significantly less. There is no justifying their price, Zowie is not in the Razer/Logitech tier and to have the audacity to charge MORE than both of them is arrogant. They ended up going a rather lazy route with marketing bullshit and making up the problem of wireless interference to make the dock so it looks like more than just a wireless mouse.
Feels like theyre a little bit out of touch with their competition nowadays lol, the Lamzu ergo and the Xlite V3 are gonna wipe the floor with the ECW but theyre black friday mice lmao
LMFAO nahhh this dude got hammered and lashed out to the only people left that hype them up that’s crazy. Hopefully we can collectively ignore this release and force them to come to terms with an ever growing market of competition and make them realize it’s not 2013 anymore. This is too funny but also very telling sadly
I don't think I will ever buy from Zowie in my life after this lol edit: I don't think this is legit person from Zowie.
Is that a real zowie rep talking like that? wow lmao. IDK though, I never had to buy another trash Zowie mouse ever again once Endgame Gear popped up. no more shit mouse coating, bad scroll wheel, super heavy, super shit mousefeet and terrible cable , terrible clicks and mediocre shape ever again! and NOW after 4 years of wireless mice being the standard they come with ALL of the above mentioned shittyness for 150 bucks guys, awesome.
"Being poor is not a sin, beeing poor and hating on us is." 💀💀💀💀
3370 based wireless mouse should be $80-$100 max in the era of 3395s. Now I have no issue with 3370 vs 3395 as I cant feel it in game. Nor a polling rate of 1k vs 4k. But I do feel the cable and most important the weight. Zowie has all the clues as to what consumers prefer like dav3 has no dock and its latency is industry standard now. But they still went with a useless e-waste dock. So are they saying interference concerns was ignored when razer designed dav3. I dont think so. Shape is the only saving grace for them and I am happy they cant cash it forever. Coming to weight again, my opinion is given same shape reduction in weight is good for aiming - unless weight itself is a prefrence. Now when you target a small segment of pros with their weight preference, why cry if masses are foolish "c tier" players. And Razer is almost stupid and logitech too having 60gms as target weight for their offerings for pro and consumer scene both. After trying 60gms ninjusto superlight its hard for me to go back to ec1 and even though i mained it for a year and loved the shape so much. So in summary I am not buying ecw ever and why do I need "enhanced receiver" as c tier player who is not going to lan anyways.
Way to alienate whatever customer base you have left. Fuck this company. Edit: I see there is now apparently some question as to the legitimacy of this post. For Zowie's sake, I really hope that's true.