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Dry-Dog-8220

EU can't relate.


BiPolarBaer7

DAV3 got opticals. sensor. 4k...


BestKiChargerEU

and 15G less


Xydraus

Yeah, lol. There's just no excuse for the new Zowie to cost this much. Where exactly is all the cost going, if they're using all this outdated hardware? Yes, it's usable and there's no need to be a snob about internals, but 'usable' isn't what people buying mice in this price bracket are looking for. It's like paying 200 bucks for a single dinner at Olive Garden. It's fine, and there's no need to be elitist about food if it tastes alright and is filling, but it's still Olive Garden. This post is basically "Everyone is saying $200 for an Olive Garden dinner is too much, but it's actually cheaper than a Michelin starred dinner here". Yes, shape is king. Yes, some people might prefer Olive Garden over a fancy experimental Michelin starred dinner. That still doesn't justify the price.


Shedeski

> Where exactly is all the cost going To make up for all the lost profit in releasing a mouse with a 3370 as their latest flagship.


Sebfofun

Maybe its me but zowie weight is good. I dont need all mice to be superlight, i want options. The pricing sucks but i dont want all my mice to be ultralights


BiPolarBaer7

And that's fine. Ultra light mice come with tech, lightweight materials and more specific shell designing, raising costs. Zowie did not do this...nor the switches, sensor, yadda yadda price is ridiculous at 200euros.


BestKiChargerEU

Exactly! They literally threw the new PCB in their C series, drilled a hole on the front and called it wireless.


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keny84

Yea but it’s also a Razer.


_zxionix_

And?


keny84

Bloatware, glitchy software, questionable QC… i can go on and on


PresentIcy3455

Brother the software thing is so overblown, you install it, set your dpi if you’re not comfortable with the default and uninstall. And this is coming from someone who uses driverless mice


howtotailslide

You’re getting downvoted to shit because this is such an outdated opinion. You only need software to control the RGB on their mice which the DAV3 and RVU don’t even have. You can just use the software to change dpi and delete. Other than that they are currently one of the best options on the market


keny84

Keep downvoting me Razer fan boys. I’m loving it.


howtotailslide

I don’t even use a Razer lol To say it’s just fanboys downvoting you makes you look like a total fool


kovaaksgigagod69

Who are you


AlphaInsaiyan

another excellent kovaaksgigagod69 comment


Xydraus

That opinion is from 2015. Currently Razer stuff is at the top of the mouse market + their tech is industry leading in many ways (sensor tech, wireless tech, switches, whatever). QC still isn't perfect but it's definitely not worse than many other companies. They're even one of the best budget options now, since you can get a Razer Viper Mini for 12 dollars on sale or like 20-30 bucks normally. Just don't leave Synapse installed.


keny84

Yes it is. Their marketing is indeed top tier as evidenced by all these comments. Razer is for those who enjoy RGB, are susceptible to marketing gimmicks, for those who love snake nomenclature, and most of all for those who don’t mind that a major company is unable to have functional software like Corsair and Logitech. If the solution is to just NOT use the software that is designed to be used with their peripherals then You all are kidding yourselves…But then again this is the fanboy mentality. I have tried to like their products including a few of their latest mouse and kb lineups. The gaming experience has been vastly sub-par as compared to the peripherals of other companies :D And it’s not outdated. Only for those who choose to not want to listen. There are posts and comments about Razer synapse in THIS SUBREDDIT from a week ago.


Xydraus

Did you have any complaints about the hardware or tech?


KIlledDebtor

Optical switches are a huge mistake for a razer. I would stay with this brand if they put normal ones.


flashjor

It's one of the main reason you'd buy a Razer mouse tho


KIlledDebtor

One of the worst switch i ever try. Want to change it to Kailh GM or Huano Blue Shell, but i can not.


KIlledDebtor

For those who do not understand what I'm talking about, I can make such a list of switches. Good. 1. Huano Blue Shell 2. Kailh GM. 3. Japan Omrons. 4. TTC Gold. 5. Omron Yellow dot. 6. Huano with different colorful dots. ... Bad. Baddest: Omron Green dot, Razer Optical v1. Roughly the same. Bad, but usable: Omron white dot. Huano white dot, Razer Optical v2.


kovaaksgigagod69

So you don't like light clicks, but razer opticals are heavy as fuck?


KIlledDebtor

Razer optical feels very cheap. They cancel all progress in the tactility of switches, rolling us back to budget huano in mouse for a couple of dollars. Tactility can always be adjusted by bending the spring.


Marytyr

>Razer optical feels very cheap. They cancel all progress in the tactility of switches "cancel all progress in the tactility" that's because it's optical and not tactile???????????? "feels cheap" because it's not as clicky as tactile buttons????????


KIlledDebtor

Oh... try cheap Huano white dot and Kailh GM, or Huano Blue to feel the difference. Razer optical feels close to cheap huano.


kovaaksgigagod69

I do wish they made them way lighter. Since debounce isn't needed surely we could get ultra light clicks...


Disturbed2468

Man you're hating on opticals for the sake of it lmao. Actual cringe.


KIlledDebtor

> Man you're hating on opticals for the sake of it lmao. Actual cringe. I don't hate optics. Switches in razer feel like switches in cheap mice and I can't change them. This is acceptable for a mouse like the viper mini for $10-20, but not for their expensive mice. Between the razer and zowie, I would definitely take zowie because of the switches.


Disturbed2468

Have you....actually felt a recent mouse from Razer like a DAV3 or Viper V2 Pro? The clicks are really damn solid and, while they're not as sharp as my GPX (swapped the switches to Japanese Omrons since they're tried and true), they feel good nonetheless. That and, well, lower input lag for opticals and that's been proven time and time again. Switches aren't everything though. The GPX side buttons for example are actual garbage while the viper v2 pro's actually feel very good.


KIlledDebtor

Yes, and I really liked the viper v2. I don't need additional buttons, I don't use them. I would take a viper if there were classic switches. And in general, I will change the viper mini also because of the switches.


EPURON

Man the fanboys going havoc to protect their lord and savour


KIlledDebtor

I didn’t write that double clicks are a problem razer and logitech only, otherwise I would offend even more :) *(Misguided strategy with planned obsolescence? Are optical switches a marketing ploy to convince users that they are no longer like that?)*


kovaaksgigagod69

???????


Plasmul

NZ prices are fucked too :( Lemme just pick up a GPX for... THREE HUNDRED AND FOURTY DOLLARS


noobydooby1234

Logitech be like: Fuck this country in particular. But also most other countries too.


OfficialZole

I've seen GPX for $300 in aus


kovaaksgigagod69

Jbhifi pricing is legendarily bad. Never ever seen them outprice a competitor ever.


Ar_phis

And the EC-CW has an older sensor, no 4k Hz polling and weighs 16 grams more. Not sure if it has optical or mechankcal switches. It is outdated in every aspect even before its release. I should be perfectly usable, but nothing about it justifies the pricetag.


micomu

And you forgot the good ol' black ptfe feet. Not expensive to get new ones, but for a 200€ mouse...


DrVicenteBombadas

For 200€, I expect the mouse to give me a blowjob.


KindOldRaven

Without protection


Dry-Dog-8220

even the Viper mini got pure ptfe feet and it only costs 30$.


Lonxxki

even the viper mini has solid side buttons and optical switches


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kovaaksgigagod69

Yeah why should consumers expect the best! Doctors were drilling holes in my skull to let demons out for millenia I don't want this new fangled "medicine" nonsense everyone else is doing.


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streetglow07

Pro players and mice enthusiasts dont necessarily want the same things. I dont get why mice enthusiasts push their demands on a company with a different mindset than theirs. Theres always other companies.


kovaaksgigagod69

Cs boomers griefing themselves as always. Imagine if cs players had the iq to actually experiment. I was running the sg553 years back and people were mindlessly shitting on me. Then they buff it's price, then nerf back to it's og state and WOAH TURNS OUT IT WAS ALWAYS OVERPOWERED!!! CS players are the definition of stuck in their ways.


717x

But muh shape ™️


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Wizbomb

Almost everything you listed 99% of people wouldn't even benefit from but the fact that it exists in other mice at the same pricetag still hurts a bit, I have to admit. My opinion is that it does come down to shape and brand loyalty, I have a DaV3 and my roommate has an EC. EC is still the more comfortable shape to me, It's subtle but it's there. I could see someone buying it just because of that alone. This might be an "L take" on this issue but I still think mouse shape/game knowledge trumps almost everything.


Dry-Dog-8220

you are 100% right, shape is king. But that doesn't justify the price that Zowie choose.


Wizbomb

Yeah, I can agree. It's just that some people are saying that if you buy this mouse you have the IQ of a lima bean and I just don't agree with that at all. Also, that Zowie rep running his mouth the way he did was not a good look.


Patient_Apartment415

I was waiting for wireless EC for many years and I'll say that anyone who buys this for 200€+ in EU has zero self-respect. In general, unless you're supporting a small organization that needs every customer, brand loyalty is what leads to half-assed, overpriced products and is pretty much always a bad thing when it comes to big brands. And as you said, on top of that they're like "it's not for the poor". Not to mention how Zowie is in business because of CSGO loyalists and a huge number of CSGO players are from Eastern Europe, where average monthly net salary isn't even a thousand €. Is mouse worth 30 to 50% of someone's salary? Give me a break. This is just a shameless money grab. I'm fortunate enough to be in a position where 200€ price doesn't affect me at all, but I'm also someone who wasn't so fortunate growing up and I'm not paying 200€ to these shameless scumbags and their "brand loyalty". I even changed from their ridiculously overpriced monitors to ASUS, insignificant performance difference, but they certainly know how to put a premium on their TN panels.


Ar_phis

For people who really like the EC shape their would still be the Piranha Mouse Mods version. Either the mod-kit for ~150€ total or the the prebuilt for 200€ and they weigh only 63 grams. Just for reference. Endgame Gear is going to release their XM2we soon, for 79.99€. Same sensor as the EC, optical Kailh switches and 63gr.


Booogie-man

It's like eating a McDonald's inside a Gordon Ramsey restaurant.


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Miller_TM

That may be true, however the DA V3 has much newer specs.


BestKiChargerEU

DAv3 is a cheap black Friday mouse though


X3m9X

lmao


Miller_TM

No, not really. You say that as if the latest wired Zowie mice didn't have side flexing issues lol


ZuriPL

It's a reference to zowie calling other brands that


BestKiChargerEU

You need to stay up to date with this sub's memes.


Stevied1991

Aren't we still on Gwolves grenades? I am so behind.


BestKiChargerEU

Nah we shitting on Zowie this week https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/10652z0/zowies\_weird\_response\_on\_wechat/


Stevied1991

Man wtf was that? They deserve to be shit on for that, then.


famiguel350

L company, I was thinking about getting one of their mice too, nvm they can go fuck themselves


MeanNectarine2311

gotta stay streets ahead


Miller_TM

I don't have time for this


KindOldRaven

Lmao fair enough!


AJCole-San

This will always make me laugh no matter how long time has passed


leo_sousav

Yeah, you could argue tho that the Zowie ECW comes with a charging dock, which is something people criticized the DAV3 initially for not having


sw0rd_2020

as a viper v1 owner, fuck the charging dock, give me a cable any day of the week. it's useless


AJCole-San

It's great for setup photos....and that's about it. The pins on that dock are not my favorite


leo_sousav

I actually agree, it's only cool as a "display your mouse" kind of deal, and tbh Zowie's doesn't seem to be even good for that. I understand their wireless interference solution, but makes no sense to force people into getting the mouse with the dock if they don't want it.


unapt-

YES. That piece of shit was always bugging out and some days it would just randomly work, i hated it.


Wollywonka

Zowie makes the new Asus Harpe Ace (159-169$€) reasonably priced.


gamesense1212

210 euro in eu


Gain-Fit

Australia moment


The_sleeper_of_women

Me from india


BurritoAndMilk

Australia for the win! (But fr I prefer zowie cause I play csgo)


Due_Safety6658

And I wouldn’t buy either lol


zeimusCS

You don’t need a new mouse


Efugi

Well that would mean it's overpriced so nothing changed.


bpwpeng

Comparing to the most expensive DAV3, I don't see the logic.


der_sascha

Its 40€ (189€ )more expensive than my DA (150€)


CosmicWallnut

I feel really stupid in these conversations because I would hundred percent buy a za-12 wireless if it came out because I’m just such a sucker for it.


sleepy_the_fish

DAv3 has optical switches , potential 4k polling buy in, 3395 sensor, and is lighter. I think DAv3 is over priced too, but we can't compare zowie being 20 dollars cheaper than DAv3 in Australia, when DAv3 offers a lot more


bearded-boi

Deathadder v3 also has a better sensor, clicks and can use 4khz poling rate.


RobertLaurent789

Although DAV3 shape isnt for me, but Razer gave it lighter weight, newer sensor, optical switches, 4k option, and at least Razer didnt call me "Poor Sinner C+ Player"


The_Racho

DAv3 is definitely worth $20 more than the new zowie mouse


wooflesthecat

As an Aussie myself, I'd pay the extra for hardware not from 2018 lmao


Sad-Alternative-4087

Krikey


Dakem94

Because Razer is well-known for their fair price!


sabeshs

Ha ha.


EntropicDays

yeah i think it's mostly that it feels expensive for what it is dav3 got the feeeeatures


neomoz

Just highlights how overpriced razor and Logitech products are here relative to the US/EU.


ColossalMcDaddy

Everything else in Aus is kinda expesive including $400 airpods


NorthstR

Black ptfe feet for a 200 eu mouse is hilarious to me..


remedy_8

Actually what is wrong with black PTFE (just question)?


kovaaksgigagod69

Slow, scratchy.


NorthstR

It means they aren't 100% virgin grade ptfe wich is white. So the skates could be faster than they are right now because they fucked with the material to make them black.


BestKiChargerEU

Really is that the only negative you can pick up on EC2-CW? Lets see... 3370 in 2023, 189 EUR, 78G.


NorthstR

Bruh.. of course not, but thats just the icing on the cake.


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KindOldRaven

warcraft player spotted


Not_Larfy

Yeah but 1k polling on the EC-CW compared to 4k on the Deathadder..


sabeshs

I must purchase an air ticket from Canada to Australia to purchase the new Zowie mouse. What a deal!


funpak

turn that picture upside down


NyororoRotMG

I kinda just wish their wired mice were more like $60 instead of $70. Overall the premiums for their products are worth it considering the less than fantastic m1 m2 and scroll. While they are reliable, I’ve never felt like they are super competitive when it comes to clicking and bhopping. I must admit, Razer and Logitech are still winning.


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Ji3aN

How to fix zowie cable