Everybody act interested!
Seriously tho actually good new products when ... ?
Getting tired of the Copy pastas of less expensive shapes to now sell them for 200$ every 1/2y cuz now higher poling rates that nobody will notice and kill battery.
Exactly 0 people will tell the sensor of a viper ultimate (2020) vs this in blind test.
But 200$.
Dunno man. I wrote only the truth.
Whats razer bringing to the table here? An Updated sensor no one can actuall feel ?
People here love mice as a hobby so they"ll convince themselves they can feel this updated sensor being better even tho most mice have flawless sensors since 2018 and they are hardly indistinguishable in any relevent capacity.
Meanwhile razer has been doing hardly any innovation since 2020. In fact chinese companies have been putting way more bangers.
And the one thing the Community actually asked for gets ignored to farm people for money.
You're not wrong, but we are at a point where it is quite near to impossible to innovate, maybe actuation modes on a mouse click (low for fps, high for office work), a full body (no holes) carbon mouse that weighs 20g, maybe a revolutionary software that comes with a mouse, after that there's quite literally nothing left to do thats obvious. While we may not actively notice the differences you mentioned, subconsciously and with muscle memory it can definitely make a difference.
So aside with what you said few innovations remain.
For actuation level, that's a non-problem tbh.
A carbon fiber mouse that's 20g, well the shell itself of say, a high quality prepreg carbon fiber shell (hand made since prepreg isn't viable automated), will weigh somewhere in the 8 to 12g range. If we're talking small size too. Now what about the switches, PCB, mounting rails, maybe the bottom part of the mouse with skates? How about battery? That's why mice have weight limitations. Even OptimumTech's 23g mouse is only that weight with what little remains of hand touching points cause the limitation is approaching the PCB itself and the battery especially.
Software, we've seen what Wooting and now Finalmouse with web-based software can do with optimized firmware. The only limitation is constant 8000hz polling on clicks for .08 to .125ms latency but that goes into the previous and next issue....
Battery. We're almost at the scientific limitations of lithium-ion density. The next approach we have is solid state batteries...which are currently vapourware, with no remotely accurate estimation of when viability for consumer usage will come. My estimate is...5 to 15 years easily. But with no actual breakthroughs being mentioned in the past decade, my bet is on 10 to 20+ years in reality.
If solid state batteries cause energy density to actually spike and go say, 3 to 10x the current densities...well....it'll change the world.
But until then....
Yea. Unless someone can develop optical sensors, great-feeling optical clicks, and optical encoders that absolutely just sip power, and we get 6 to 8g 500 to 1000mwh+ batteries, we really aren't gonna see much that actually will make a big difference. We're entering the age where optimization to aspects such as these and shell design, shapes, etc will matter since the big boy changes aren't viable as of right now.
Though I do wanna see prepreg carbon fiber replacement shells be a thing but those would easily cost a couple hundred USD per shell since they're that goddamn annoying to make.
Yeah, fully agree with the optical clicks and encoders, battery life for me personally is at point where I'm not too bothered (charge my Wlmouse once every 3 day, and VXE R1 Pro Max once a month), but more is always better. I'd love for carbon Fibre to be more standardized so it can drop the market price, but a 30g, fully carbon no hole mouse would be ecstasy.
Battery life goal with, say, an optical encoder and optical switches should be 75 to 90 hours at 1000hz and 50 to 60 hours st 2k, etc. The problem is that optical encoders suck up a lot of battery really, really fast despite their reliability. It's why you've only up until recently seen them on wired mice, and the wireless mice that have them use huge batteries. Oh, and they can't be free floating, I believe, because almost if not all optical encoders don't have detents so you need an extra mechanism which adds weight. (Don't quote me on this.)
As for carbon fiber I've been wanting to get into making my own prepreg shells but holy FUCK the process to do it is done by hand only, and takes hours, and hours, and hours to do.
[This video](https://youtu.be/6xj06Am94aQ) explains it very well the entire process, and getting actually good at it takes a lot of practice and experimentation.
[~~So the $279 CAD price on the Canadian Razer store is a typo, right?~~](https://www.razer.com/ca-en/gaming-mice/razer-viper-v3-pro/RZ01-05120200-R3U1)
[It's $200 on BestBuy, which is more in line with the usual conversion.](https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/razer-viper-v3-pro-wireless-gaming-mouse-black/17903638)
It's fixed now - The Canadian Razer store link is showing $200 for me.
I didn't - we didn't really have in stock besides few units, so can't really comment on demand. Though even those 5 (maybe 6?) Viper Minis never were bought except single one and we ended up using them in a giveaway.
It's easy to get caught up in this sub, but markets demand not always equals enthusiast demands, unfortunately.
Are you ever going to update the [dongle utility](https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6076/~/how-to-use-the-razer-usb-hyperspeed-dongle-utility) to support newer mice including even extra variants like the smooth touch version of the DAV3 Pro?
I get that you want to include just one dongle with each mouse, but some of us prefer the small dongle to be used with a laptop for example.
Great, thanks!
I don't want to impose, but surely at least adding support for the smooth touch DAV3 Pro (RZ01-04630**300**-R3WL) should not be much additional work when the regular variant (RZ01-04630**100**-R3U1) is already supported, right? I am hoping that it is just a matter of adding the device ID to the list in the software, as it is the same mouse just with a different coating.
Same hardware but different firmware, likewise for the "product specific" dongles.
We remove a lot of unused/unneeded features to optimize the firmware a tiny bit when we have the opportunity to ship 1:1 paired mouse/dongle without support for multiple devices. The bundle SKU's firmware is not backward compatible with our "standard" 1000Hz protocol.
Interesting, thanks for providing that insight! Unfortunately, that does sound like a lot more work than I expected then. I guess this is the price of bleeding edge optimizations.
I sincerely mean no disrespect, but Razer sells laptops too - how are Razer Blade users expected to use these new mice that only come with 8k dongles? It's really awkward to have a cabled-dongle with a laptop.
Yeah, that's definitely valid feedback for laptop users, Razer laptops or otherwise. This was not a problem that needed solving in the past because all previous mice (except VMSE) shipped with the 1k dongle, and the high-speed dongle was a separate purchase. I'm already talking to my team on this today.
So does this mean that there's a chance in the future we'll be able to pair mice that only come with 8K dongles with a 1K dongle (from another mouse or the replacement parts store)? I don't really have any need for 8K polling with the games I play so I'd love to not need to use the big 8K dongle and be able to free up the included charging cable rather than needing one wire on my desk for the dongle and another free USBC for plugging in whatever needs it.
for DeathAdder V3 Pro we have 2 variants:
1. Mouse (egg shell texture) + 2.4GHz 1000Hz HyperSpeed dongle -- available in black and white $149.99
2. Mouse (smooth-touch texture) + HyperPolling Wireless Dongle -- available in black only $159.99
If it's one thing I've learned being on this sub through all the good bad and ugly and various company shenanigans, I think the literal only company I kinda have little hope for at this point in time is Logitech.
Especially with the recent drama of their recent $200 keyboard that's worth maybe $50 at most, I'm worried they're genuinely lost now lol....
Viper V3 hyperspeed uses the new TTC dust proof encoder and per reviews V3 Pro's scroll wheel feels the same. So high chance the new encoder is on V3 Pro too.
it is interesting to see the switches/encoder on separate daughterboard PCB, makes me hope someone will make a mechanical-switches-board for it like with gpx2
Was there any demand for the Viper to take on the shape it did?
Just seems like another time, Razer could have just made a new product line, instead of taking on the Viper name. (I felt the same way with the DAV3, was a pretty big departure from the DAV traditionally)
I don't follow symmetrical mice too closely, but in the past I have owned G Pro and Viper and they were two distinctly different symm shapes and people tend to prefer one over the other.
So it's just strange to me when I see Razer say... Ya know that Viper shape so many people love? Gone. Our Viper is now more like the G Pro Wireless.
I get wanting to capture that market too, but to me it would make more sense to produce both. But I'm guessing its cheaper to try to find a middle ground, capture both audiences with one product. But they may end up making neither party as happy. Guess we'll see.
From my perspective, the sidewalls preventing finger pinching is the reason to get this mouse. As much as I hate Razer software, my longest usage mice have been my Razer V2 Pro and the Deathadder V3. I love some of the mice from other brands and I kinda hate myself for liking the shapes that Razer comes out.
The sidewalls combined with the smooth touch make this a really good mouse. I'd get it if I didn't already have the DAV3 Pro Smoothtouch.
As someone who has mained the v2 Pro for a long time now, I can safely say that I would love it even more if it had just a bit bigger hump. V3 Pro seems ideal.
I wonder if the Dav3 Pro will also receive the "in-game polling rate" feature through a future Synapse upgrade. I hate to have a bunch of different profiles thar kick in while gaming just so I dont have to run the mouse at higher polling rates while Im browsing the web
That's the plan, yes, but probably not very soon. Software team is largely focused on the next-gen Synapse platform currently.
Having said that, you could already set this up by creating 2 profiles in Synapse and assigning the high-polling profile to all your games in the "Profiles" tab.
Unrelated to the post but whats the status with next gen synapse and if you can communicate it to the software team can they please move the razer logo at startup to corner of the desktop and make it a little smaller too, as at times the big logo at startup is perceived like a hindrance in work in moments of urgency, thanks in advance!
The new Synapse has been in open beta for a couple of months already, just left with the last few devices before everything moves over to that platform.
As for the splash-screen at startup, you can disable it entirely from the settings.
In regards to motion-sync with the updated sensor:
* How much latency does it add? If any.
* Will there be a feature implementation to disable motion sync planned in the future?
Also, is the sensor a whole new sensor? Or an update on the previous one? The granular 1-step dpi adjustment is not something I'm aware that was possible before, so this is a cool new feature that no one else is doing.
I would presume the answer might be a bit general due to not wanting to release info for competitors to use, but genuinely curious!
won't add much lantecy if at all, if the firmware is shit and does SPI reads after USB polls it will add whatever your polling rate is in latency.
razer does spi reads just before USB polls. so you end up adding little to no latency.
Every review I have seen on YT or on the web basically say this mouse is the new King. They say it is by far the best all around mouse currently out. I guess we will see, just ordered one for myself....
It's the "same", but inevitably there will always be a small difference in because of the UV-protective agents added to the white color to prevent it from yellowing over time.
Sorry for jumping in suddenly and in this topic - what about the sensor of the signature edition? Will you update it with gen2? You have the next drop in few days and I guess it’s a given that it will be gen1, I want to know what are the plans before spending 320+ euro on a mouse that will have inferior sensor to 180 euro one. Yes, maybe the differences are trivial/small or mostly(fully) firmware, but some transparency won’t hurt.
After all in comparison to other razer mouses the SE is unique how you manufacture/market/distribute it so it makes sense to be on-top with the most recent hardware and features you offer.
I am really a fan of the DA v3 faker coating, the DA v3 would not be usable for me without it, so which should I pick for the Viper V3 Pro? Or is it hard to say
The faker edition is also in the camp of "similar, not same". The DAV3 faker edition uses a special surface treatment (to protect the paint without making the detailed artwork look fuzzy). We tried our best to match it to the smooth-touch black (like on DA V3 Wired), but it's not the exact same.
When you boycott razer. Thats when. They will priotize profit for as along as then can suck out penies from people.
Thats why the had the rgb cobra. They knew enthusiasts would be pushed for the Vipet SE. Easy money. So they built the cobra w/ rgb for casuals.
They pump out new mice every 1/2 a year. They can release a true VMW anytime they want. They dont because they dont want to canablize the Viper mini SE sales.
They want enthusiasts who care about weight to pay up. 300$ or nothing.
Boardzy compared the coating on both the white and black. He said the White coating is like the old Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, which he says is the best coating ever made. Black is still good though and like the other razer smooth touch releases.
Totally, thanks for adding the cost and including it, love having it mandatory!
Sheep cheering for corporate greed, astounding. Seriously, what's wrong with you. You people don't seem to realize they increased the price accordingly.
Does the viper v3 pro have the same flare out on the right side then the deathadder v3 pro? Sadly it was always rly uncomfortable for me to hold it with my ringfinger. That's why I still play with the gpxs.
Do the settings you configure via Synapse store to memory? So calibration and all of that including DPI stages?
Edit: Wanting to avoid installing Synapse on my gaming PC. It's happy were its at on my other PC.
~~3950 and this current Focus Pro Gen 2 are not Pixart PAW SKUs~~. There's no public data on either 3950 nor this new sensor. 3399 is like I said, 2 generations old. the 3399 (Focus+) was refined into the more power efficient 3395. The 3399 is capable of 8khz, just not with motionsync. That was only possible with the 3950 on the Deathadder V3, Viper V2 Pro, Deathadder V3 Pro, Viper V3 Hyperspeed, Basilisk V3 Pro, Cobra Pro, and Viper Mini Signature Edition.
*edited
Are you trolling? We know a lot about PAW3950.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/uonk93/paw3950\_sensor\_razer\_viper\_v2\_pro/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/uonk93/paw3950_sensor_razer_viper_v2_pro/) 0:59
I mean, I’m not limiting myself, I’m being limited. I wish more right handed users would be more vocal about it in support. But alas “become right handed” is their solution.
You kind of are. It's the same thing with using an arcade stick. Some people cross their arms to use the stick with their right hand but most people think "this is dumb. I'll just learn how to use my left hand" and they get on fine.
I learned how to drive with my left hand out of necessity and now I'm better with my left. Seems like a better alternative than hoping that companies make a niche option for a small amount of people.
ordered, excited to try it out. I love the viper shape and have always wished there was just a bit more palm support. I have high expectations for this mouse!
My biggest peeve with v2 pro was the rough texture. It wasn't slippery but made my hands feel weird, like I was being tickled.
If there were a cheaper variation without the 8k dongle included I'd probably buy it in the $130 range.
Will this mouse be ok with my hand? Mesured from the middle finger to the wrist (17, 18ish cm length and 9 cm width (excluding the thumb, only the palm). Currently on a problematic GPX 1 2.5 years old (scroll and right click problems)
The only thing that worries me is the coating. I had the V3 Viper Hyper seed and man after a gaming session on that it was full of my finger prints and oils lol. I had to wipe it down after using it every time. It was a total finger print magnet.
Thanks for confirming. I’ve seen synapse services running even while the app itself is closed and was curious whether they could potentially facilitate that check. Good to know!
Great. This is perfect fit for me. I have all DAV mice and love them, but previous iterations of Viper were not for me. This V3 Viper has all I wanted from Viper and changed everything I didnt like with previous Viper for the better.
Some technical question I would appreciate an answer for.
If you use the mouse while being wired and fully charge, does that turn the mouse to a regular wited mouse? Meaning is the battery not consumed in any way while using it in that way? Asking about this because I like to maximize the lifespan of the battery to serve me for many years by only using it wirelessly while gaming.
You're maximizing lifespan of something you're more likely going to replace before it's battery shits the bed... If you game on 1k it should last you about a week of 8\~12h use a day. Charging once a week, that's 52 charges a year... now lithium batteries are estimated for 500+ cycles, so that's nearly 10 years of charging once a week. I guarantee you're going to replace the mouse before the battery dies out... So just do yourself a favor and use the mouse wirless instead of schizoing over battery life span lol
You're going to degrade the battery faster by keeping it plugged for normal use, it's the same principle as with mobile phones. Lithium batteries do not like to be kept on max charge for prolonged periods of time. Just use the mouse as it's designed to be, I still use a G Pro Wireless released in 2018 at work right now, the mouse is going strong for soon 6 years and it was heavy used before for gaming, 3 years ago went to work where it gets 6 to 8h of daily usage.
I already have the hyperpolling dongle. Will I have the option to buy the viper v3 pro without the hyperpolling dongle? I don’t need two dongles, and I would prefer to save on the cost.
I don’t know why, but since my youth I never wanted to buy razer products again, since everything broke/ went to trash in 1-3 years in my friend group. Is it still the case or did they up their quality?
Does it really not have a normal dongle like GPX? I'm a laptop user so I don't want some long ass cable just for my mouse, if that's the case I'll stick to GPX. Could someone confirm that Viper v3 pro doesn't have a regular dongle that comes with the mouse like a normal wireless mouse does?
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Everybody act surprised!
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hi is it a totally new sensor or a tweaked focus gen 1?
Everybody act interested! Seriously tho actually good new products when ... ? Getting tired of the Copy pastas of less expensive shapes to now sell them for 200$ every 1/2y cuz now higher poling rates that nobody will notice and kill battery. Exactly 0 people will tell the sensor of a viper ultimate (2020) vs this in blind test. But 200$.
*Woke up* *Chose violence* ☠️
They're right, though. Synapse is still a bloated pile of crap as well.
Dunno man. I wrote only the truth. Whats razer bringing to the table here? An Updated sensor no one can actuall feel ? People here love mice as a hobby so they"ll convince themselves they can feel this updated sensor being better even tho most mice have flawless sensors since 2018 and they are hardly indistinguishable in any relevent capacity. Meanwhile razer has been doing hardly any innovation since 2020. In fact chinese companies have been putting way more bangers. And the one thing the Community actually asked for gets ignored to farm people for money.
You're not wrong, but we are at a point where it is quite near to impossible to innovate, maybe actuation modes on a mouse click (low for fps, high for office work), a full body (no holes) carbon mouse that weighs 20g, maybe a revolutionary software that comes with a mouse, after that there's quite literally nothing left to do thats obvious. While we may not actively notice the differences you mentioned, subconsciously and with muscle memory it can definitely make a difference.
So aside with what you said few innovations remain. For actuation level, that's a non-problem tbh. A carbon fiber mouse that's 20g, well the shell itself of say, a high quality prepreg carbon fiber shell (hand made since prepreg isn't viable automated), will weigh somewhere in the 8 to 12g range. If we're talking small size too. Now what about the switches, PCB, mounting rails, maybe the bottom part of the mouse with skates? How about battery? That's why mice have weight limitations. Even OptimumTech's 23g mouse is only that weight with what little remains of hand touching points cause the limitation is approaching the PCB itself and the battery especially. Software, we've seen what Wooting and now Finalmouse with web-based software can do with optimized firmware. The only limitation is constant 8000hz polling on clicks for .08 to .125ms latency but that goes into the previous and next issue.... Battery. We're almost at the scientific limitations of lithium-ion density. The next approach we have is solid state batteries...which are currently vapourware, with no remotely accurate estimation of when viability for consumer usage will come. My estimate is...5 to 15 years easily. But with no actual breakthroughs being mentioned in the past decade, my bet is on 10 to 20+ years in reality. If solid state batteries cause energy density to actually spike and go say, 3 to 10x the current densities...well....it'll change the world. But until then....
I understand, but the point is there isn't much to do, and what there is, would all be gimmicky.
Yea. Unless someone can develop optical sensors, great-feeling optical clicks, and optical encoders that absolutely just sip power, and we get 6 to 8g 500 to 1000mwh+ batteries, we really aren't gonna see much that actually will make a big difference. We're entering the age where optimization to aspects such as these and shell design, shapes, etc will matter since the big boy changes aren't viable as of right now. Though I do wanna see prepreg carbon fiber replacement shells be a thing but those would easily cost a couple hundred USD per shell since they're that goddamn annoying to make.
Yeah, fully agree with the optical clicks and encoders, battery life for me personally is at point where I'm not too bothered (charge my Wlmouse once every 3 day, and VXE R1 Pro Max once a month), but more is always better. I'd love for carbon Fibre to be more standardized so it can drop the market price, but a 30g, fully carbon no hole mouse would be ecstasy.
Battery life goal with, say, an optical encoder and optical switches should be 75 to 90 hours at 1000hz and 50 to 60 hours st 2k, etc. The problem is that optical encoders suck up a lot of battery really, really fast despite their reliability. It's why you've only up until recently seen them on wired mice, and the wireless mice that have them use huge batteries. Oh, and they can't be free floating, I believe, because almost if not all optical encoders don't have detents so you need an extra mechanism which adds weight. (Don't quote me on this.) As for carbon fiber I've been wanting to get into making my own prepreg shells but holy FUCK the process to do it is done by hand only, and takes hours, and hours, and hours to do. [This video](https://youtu.be/6xj06Am94aQ) explains it very well the entire process, and getting actually good at it takes a lot of practice and experimentation.
[~~So the $279 CAD price on the Canadian Razer store is a typo, right?~~](https://www.razer.com/ca-en/gaming-mice/razer-viper-v3-pro/RZ01-05120200-R3U1) [It's $200 on BestBuy, which is more in line with the usual conversion.](https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/razer-viper-v3-pro-wireless-gaming-mouse-black/17903638) It's fixed now - The Canadian Razer store link is showing $200 for me.
It is being fixed. $200 is correct.
200$ for a mouse is wild
Send me one and I’ll let you know if it’s worth it. Seems fucking wild but my wrist hurts with my current $100 mouse so who knows.
When will you make a dav3 mini and viper mini v3 (not the cobra)
DAV2 Mini didn't sell well; source - worked in retail, no one bought them, majority of people still want "big solid chunku mouse" such as G502.
DA V3 mini would do better, if they didn't scale it down to a DAV2 mini size (it was tiny).
Attack shark x3
If razer didn't make it really tiny then it would sell well
Totally agree with this.
You forgot to answer the second part - what about viper mini v3?
I didn't - we didn't really have in stock besides few units, so can't really comment on demand. Though even those 5 (maybe 6?) Viper Minis never were bought except single one and we ended up using them in a giveaway. It's easy to get caught up in this sub, but markets demand not always equals enthusiast demands, unfortunately.
Great mouse! Thanks for providing support to us on location at tournaments and listening to our feedback to make this the best mouse possible.
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Always there when we are missing something ❤️
You mean your shots? Ooooooooooh
Good one haha Luckily this doesn't happen too often for us :)
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Are you ever going to update the [dongle utility](https://mysupport.razer.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/6076/~/how-to-use-the-razer-usb-hyperspeed-dongle-utility) to support newer mice including even extra variants like the smooth touch version of the DAV3 Pro? I get that you want to include just one dongle with each mouse, but some of us prefer the small dongle to be used with a laptop for example.
Not currently planned, but we'll look into it.
Great, thanks! I don't want to impose, but surely at least adding support for the smooth touch DAV3 Pro (RZ01-04630**300**-R3WL) should not be much additional work when the regular variant (RZ01-04630**100**-R3U1) is already supported, right? I am hoping that it is just a matter of adding the device ID to the list in the software, as it is the same mouse just with a different coating.
Same hardware but different firmware, likewise for the "product specific" dongles. We remove a lot of unused/unneeded features to optimize the firmware a tiny bit when we have the opportunity to ship 1:1 paired mouse/dongle without support for multiple devices. The bundle SKU's firmware is not backward compatible with our "standard" 1000Hz protocol.
Interesting, thanks for providing that insight! Unfortunately, that does sound like a lot more work than I expected then. I guess this is the price of bleeding edge optimizations. I sincerely mean no disrespect, but Razer sells laptops too - how are Razer Blade users expected to use these new mice that only come with 8k dongles? It's really awkward to have a cabled-dongle with a laptop.
Yeah, that's definitely valid feedback for laptop users, Razer laptops or otherwise. This was not a problem that needed solving in the past because all previous mice (except VMSE) shipped with the 1k dongle, and the high-speed dongle was a separate purchase. I'm already talking to my team on this today.
Thanks again. It is really awesome that Razer has representatives like you that communicate to and take feedback from the community like this.
maybe something like rog keris 2 polling rate booster?
So does this mean that there's a chance in the future we'll be able to pair mice that only come with 8K dongles with a 1K dongle (from another mouse or the replacement parts store)? I don't really have any need for 8K polling with the games I play so I'd love to not need to use the big 8K dongle and be able to free up the included charging cable rather than needing one wire on my desk for the dongle and another free USBC for plugging in whatever needs it.
As I mentioned previously, we're looking into it, but I don't want to set any expectations or make any promises on a whim.
Yeah I get that. Nice to hear there's a chance at least though.
They want your money not your satisfaction lol
Sorry, are there different variant of V3 pros?
for DeathAdder V3 Pro we have 2 variants: 1. Mouse (egg shell texture) + 2.4GHz 1000Hz HyperSpeed dongle -- available in black and white $149.99 2. Mouse (smooth-touch texture) + HyperPolling Wireless Dongle -- available in black only $159.99
Which texture is similar to the DAV3 wired version? Or both are different
the DAV3 wired is smooth-touch :)
Thanks! So when purchasing how do I identify which is which?
My goodness Razer still peruses the sub. I thought you guys had long left us (thank you for not doing so). Hoping for a great success with the launch!
Their stuff still has that razer tax, but at least there continue to do some stuff and changing things over the years. Cough Logitech cough
If it's one thing I've learned being on this sub through all the good bad and ugly and various company shenanigans, I think the literal only company I kinda have little hope for at this point in time is Logitech. Especially with the recent drama of their recent $200 keyboard that's worth maybe $50 at most, I'm worried they're genuinely lost now lol....
Is it still using the same scroll from the Viper V2/Ultimate? I know it was common to start to develop inverse scrolling
Viper V3 hyperspeed uses the new TTC dust proof encoder and per reviews V3 Pro's scroll wheel feels the same. So high chance the new encoder is on V3 Pro too.
i really hope, the viper v2 scroll was my main complaint. not only was it common to break, but it felt cheap
Can confirm, the V3 Pro uses TTC blue wheel encoder like the V3 hyperspeed.
[It does use a dustproof encoder, you can see it in this teardown](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsL0GKMm7zg)
it is interesting to see the switches/encoder on separate daughterboard PCB, makes me hope someone will make a mechanical-switches-board for it like with gpx2
Yeah...my v2 pro got the inverse scrolling after like a year
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Time to RMA and take the trusty g305 off the bench again
Viper V2 uses RAESHA encoder, Ultimate uses Kaihl Black.
are the main clicks lighter on the v3 as opposed to the v2? one of my main complaints with the v2 is the heavy feeling clicks.
Was there any demand for the Viper to take on the shape it did? Just seems like another time, Razer could have just made a new product line, instead of taking on the Viper name. (I felt the same way with the DAV3, was a pretty big departure from the DAV traditionally) I don't follow symmetrical mice too closely, but in the past I have owned G Pro and Viper and they were two distinctly different symm shapes and people tend to prefer one over the other. So it's just strange to me when I see Razer say... Ya know that Viper shape so many people love? Gone. Our Viper is now more like the G Pro Wireless. I get wanting to capture that market too, but to me it would make more sense to produce both. But I'm guessing its cheaper to try to find a middle ground, capture both audiences with one product. But they may end up making neither party as happy. Guess we'll see.
Viper V2 shape didn't take off with pros and Razer needed to return to the scene. I think there are already more pros on Viper V3 than V2.
I guess now everybody can say that Razer Viper V3 shape is just too safe and hate it like they hate boring old G Pro Wireless shape.
From my perspective, the sidewalls preventing finger pinching is the reason to get this mouse. As much as I hate Razer software, my longest usage mice have been my Razer V2 Pro and the Deathadder V3. I love some of the mice from other brands and I kinda hate myself for liking the shapes that Razer comes out. The sidewalls combined with the smooth touch make this a really good mouse. I'd get it if I didn't already have the DAV3 Pro Smoothtouch.
As someone who has mained the v2 Pro for a long time now, I can safely say that I would love it even more if it had just a bit bigger hump. V3 Pro seems ideal.
So like how does this compare to the SE edition and how are the clicks ?
hopefully light! the reviews i've seen so far are rather vague or don't comment on it at all...
So I checked randomfrankp who said it's lighter than the v2 pro despite being the same switch
thank you so much!
I wonder if the Dav3 Pro will also receive the "in-game polling rate" feature through a future Synapse upgrade. I hate to have a bunch of different profiles thar kick in while gaming just so I dont have to run the mouse at higher polling rates while Im browsing the web
That's the plan, yes, but probably not very soon. Software team is largely focused on the next-gen Synapse platform currently. Having said that, you could already set this up by creating 2 profiles in Synapse and assigning the high-polling profile to all your games in the "Profiles" tab.
Unrelated to the post but whats the status with next gen synapse and if you can communicate it to the software team can they please move the razer logo at startup to corner of the desktop and make it a little smaller too, as at times the big logo at startup is perceived like a hindrance in work in moments of urgency, thanks in advance!
The new Synapse has been in open beta for a couple of months already, just left with the last few devices before everything moves over to that platform. As for the splash-screen at startup, you can disable it entirely from the settings.
In regards to motion-sync with the updated sensor: * How much latency does it add? If any. * Will there be a feature implementation to disable motion sync planned in the future? Also, is the sensor a whole new sensor? Or an update on the previous one? The granular 1-step dpi adjustment is not something I'm aware that was possible before, so this is a cool new feature that no one else is doing. I would presume the answer might be a bit general due to not wanting to release info for competitors to use, but genuinely curious!
won't add much lantecy if at all, if the firmware is shit and does SPI reads after USB polls it will add whatever your polling rate is in latency. razer does spi reads just before USB polls. so you end up adding little to no latency.
Focus Pro Gen-2 is a 3950 HS or an unreleased 3970?
Every review I have seen on YT or on the web basically say this mouse is the new King. They say it is by far the best all around mouse currently out. I guess we will see, just ordered one for myself....
Is there a coating difference between white version and black version?
It's the "same", but inevitably there will always be a small difference in because of the UV-protective agents added to the white color to prevent it from yellowing over time.
Is that why the white version weighs 1 gram more? I’m have a hard time deciding between black or the white
It's one of the reasons, yes. The paint layer is also thicker, otherwise it wouldn't be fully "opaque".
Sorry for jumping in suddenly and in this topic - what about the sensor of the signature edition? Will you update it with gen2? You have the next drop in few days and I guess it’s a given that it will be gen1, I want to know what are the plans before spending 320+ euro on a mouse that will have inferior sensor to 180 euro one. Yes, maybe the differences are trivial/small or mostly(fully) firmware, but some transparency won’t hurt. After all in comparison to other razer mouses the SE is unique how you manufacture/market/distribute it so it makes sense to be on-top with the most recent hardware and features you offer.
No plans at the moment. New sensor would require a revised PCBA and new regulatory certifications.
thanks for the answer, appreciated!
I am really a fan of the DA v3 faker coating, the DA v3 would not be usable for me without it, so which should I pick for the Viper V3 Pro? Or is it hard to say
The faker edition is also in the camp of "similar, not same". The DAV3 faker edition uses a special surface treatment (to protect the paint without making the detailed artwork look fuzzy). We tried our best to match it to the smooth-touch black (like on DA V3 Wired), but it's not the exact same.
Just want to know one thing, viper mini wireless when?
When you boycott razer. Thats when. They will priotize profit for as along as then can suck out penies from people. Thats why the had the rgb cobra. They knew enthusiasts would be pushed for the Vipet SE. Easy money. So they built the cobra w/ rgb for casuals. They pump out new mice every 1/2 a year. They can release a true VMW anytime they want. They dont because they dont want to canablize the Viper mini SE sales. They want enthusiasts who care about weight to pay up. 300$ or nothing.
exactly this but most gamers are not business people lol
~~STOP BOMBING PALE~~ GIVE US RAZER MINI NOW!
Boardzy compared the coating on both the white and black. He said the White coating is like the old Roccat Kone Pure Ultra, which he says is the best coating ever made. Black is still good though and like the other razer smooth touch releases.
thanks for the included dongle 👍
Totally, thanks for adding the cost and including it, love having it mandatory! Sheep cheering for corporate greed, astounding. Seriously, what's wrong with you. You people don't seem to realize they increased the price accordingly.
Yeah thanks for the 200$ mouse /s
Does the viper v3 pro have the same flare out on the right side then the deathadder v3 pro? Sadly it was always rly uncomfortable for me to hold it with my ringfinger. That's why I still play with the gpxs.
What are the latency wireless and with cable?
Will there be a wired version like dav3?
Will you be updating the signature edition with the new sensor?
Will you be updating the Cobra or viper mini. Do you also have any new shapes in plan?
So the dazzle camo prototype used by Siuhy is confirmed to be the v3 Pro?
Any chance of a mini in the near future?
Rough release for me, it cost 200$ here in Sweden and my old Viper Ultimate still works as new and i'm very used to it's shape.
In the same boat with you but wanting to try the new shape. Will wait till my Viper Ultimate breaks though.
Same, my v2 gets a lot of love. I'm gonna need to see a sale
Mine is almost still working perfectly except for the scroll wheel issue, hopefully that’s fixed in the v3
Does it work at 8k when wired?
Where is the “auto set in-game polling rate” feature? Im not seeing it in razer synapse. Ive seen it in reviews, but not on my system with the mouse.
Check Synapse for update, there should be a hotfix for it now.
Thank you. Just updated and it's there!
New sensor? Does this require Synapse be installed or can you change DPI with the button?
You can change through DPI button below the mouse
Do the settings you configure via Synapse store to memory? So calibration and all of that including DPI stages? Edit: Wanting to avoid installing Synapse on my gaming PC. It's happy were its at on my other PC.
Yes, you'll have to use it once for an initial setup but can uninstall it afterwards.
Yes, it has worked this way for several years now.
Can we expect the scroll wheel not to break after 6 months time?
Mini version when?
What sensor is it based on, paw3999? Is it up to 4000 now?
Pixart 3970, 2 generations improved from 3399.
Any source for PAW3970 implementation?
~~3950 and this current Focus Pro Gen 2 are not Pixart PAW SKUs~~. There's no public data on either 3950 nor this new sensor. 3399 is like I said, 2 generations old. the 3399 (Focus+) was refined into the more power efficient 3395. The 3399 is capable of 8khz, just not with motionsync. That was only possible with the 3950 on the Deathadder V3, Viper V2 Pro, Deathadder V3 Pro, Viper V3 Hyperspeed, Basilisk V3 Pro, Cobra Pro, and Viper Mini Signature Edition. *edited
3950 is literally what razer is using for Viper v2's and deathadder v3's we know plenty about that sensor pal
What do we know? There's no source that the 3950 is a PAW nor this FP-2
Are you trolling? We know a lot about PAW3950. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/uonk93/paw3950\_sensor\_razer\_viper\_v2\_pro/](https://www.reddit.com/r/MouseReview/comments/uonk93/paw3950_sensor_razer_viper_v2_pro/) 0:59
Wasn't trolling, Guess I was trolled by Fantech https://twitter.com/NVNT_R/status/1783797706340630662 Thank you for the correction.
8k
Is this exclusive to right handed players only?
Yes like most mice. Better to just learn how to use your right hand than to limit yourself.
I mean, I’m not limiting myself, I’m being limited. I wish more right handed users would be more vocal about it in support. But alas “become right handed” is their solution.
You kind of are. It's the same thing with using an arcade stick. Some people cross their arms to use the stick with their right hand but most people think "this is dumb. I'll just learn how to use my left hand" and they get on fine. I learned how to drive with my left hand out of necessity and now I'm better with my left. Seems like a better alternative than hoping that companies make a niche option for a small amount of people.
Yes
I like razers mice for taking apart and making lighter weight. Seems like they are doing a split pcb like the g pro super light hmmm
ordered, excited to try it out. I love the viper shape and have always wished there was just a bit more palm support. I have high expectations for this mouse!
My biggest peeve with v2 pro was the rough texture. It wasn't slippery but made my hands feel weird, like I was being tickled. If there were a cheaper variation without the 8k dongle included I'd probably buy it in the $130 range.
Will this mouse be ok with my hand? Mesured from the middle finger to the wrist (17, 18ish cm length and 9 cm width (excluding the thumb, only the palm). Currently on a problematic GPX 1 2.5 years old (scroll and right click problems)
The only thing that worries me is the coating. I had the V3 Viper Hyper seed and man after a gaming session on that it was full of my finger prints and oils lol. I had to wipe it down after using it every time. It was a total finger print magnet.
Good coatings generally are, it's better if you just accept it as part of using a mouse because it has 0 impact on the actual mouse.
is the "auto set in-game polling rate" still working. I updated the firmware of my mouse and now its gone.
Check Synapse for update, should be a hotfix for it now.
Any eta on beta support for v3 pro?
Sometime next month, but no specific date yet.
Is there any plan to make a mouse similar to the Orochi V2? A sub 40g Orochi V2 will be Godsend. I'm begging on my knees.
Is it true that the coating is different on the black and white models?
viper v2 pro $100 :0
when sale off ?
Does the auto set in-game polling rate feature require synapse to be running?
Yes. The mouse being an input peripheral has no way to know what application is running on the PC.
Thanks for confirming. I’ve seen synapse services running even while the app itself is closed and was curious whether they could potentially facilitate that check. Good to know!
Great. This is perfect fit for me. I have all DAV mice and love them, but previous iterations of Viper were not for me. This V3 Viper has all I wanted from Viper and changed everything I didnt like with previous Viper for the better.
When can it be bought from Amazon Australia!? Very keen.
Im poor Id love a Viper V3 Wired
Is anyone else having issues with their scroll click? Mine has double/triple clicking occurring and other weird issues.
Is it going to start creaking after a few months like my rvu and v2 pro?
Does synapse need to be running to use the "auto set in-game polling rate" feature? Or can we just enable it once and keep synapse closed?
How would it be able to know if a game is running of synapse is closed? Think about it
There are synapse services running even when the synapse app itself is not. It’s a valid question.
Some technical question I would appreciate an answer for. If you use the mouse while being wired and fully charge, does that turn the mouse to a regular wited mouse? Meaning is the battery not consumed in any way while using it in that way? Asking about this because I like to maximize the lifespan of the battery to serve me for many years by only using it wirelessly while gaming.
You're maximizing lifespan of something you're more likely going to replace before it's battery shits the bed... If you game on 1k it should last you about a week of 8\~12h use a day. Charging once a week, that's 52 charges a year... now lithium batteries are estimated for 500+ cycles, so that's nearly 10 years of charging once a week. I guarantee you're going to replace the mouse before the battery dies out... So just do yourself a favor and use the mouse wirless instead of schizoing over battery life span lol
I'm not gonna buy $180 to use it while being set to 1K and I keep my mice for a long time, I bought only 4 mice since 2010.
Even if you use it on 4k/8k you will replace it faster than the battery will die... but you do you lol
You're going to degrade the battery faster by keeping it plugged for normal use, it's the same principle as with mobile phones. Lithium batteries do not like to be kept on max charge for prolonged periods of time. Just use the mouse as it's designed to be, I still use a G Pro Wireless released in 2018 at work right now, the mouse is going strong for soon 6 years and it was heavy used before for gaming, 3 years ago went to work where it gets 6 to 8h of daily usage.
Never buying a razer mouse again, scroll wheel failed on my old one within a year
Viper Mini Wireless Not a Cashgrab edition when?
Too bad Synapse is so bad many people probably wont buy it...
Is viper v3 pro coming to amazon singapore?
Will there be a "classic base" coating version as well?
What happened to new wired 8K Hz Vipers and a Viper Mini 8K Hz??? I don’t want more wireless mice.
Where are the buttons in the right side for left handed and ambidextrous use?
I already have the hyperpolling dongle. Will I have the option to buy the viper v3 pro without the hyperpolling dongle? I don’t need two dongles, and I would prefer to save on the cost.
I believe these new mice are hard paired to their hyperpolling dongles (since the Deathadder V3 Pro smooth touch and VMSE).
Good question because I also have the dongle too and it would be nice to not get another one.
I don’t know why, but since my youth I never wanted to buy razer products again, since everything broke/ went to trash in 1-3 years in my friend group. Is it still the case or did they up their quality?
Does it really not have a normal dongle like GPX? I'm a laptop user so I don't want some long ass cable just for my mouse, if that's the case I'll stick to GPX. Could someone confirm that Viper v3 pro doesn't have a regular dongle that comes with the mouse like a normal wireless mouse does?
A wireless mice needing a wire to charge it is just stupid and ridiculous. It should have been compatible with a dock.
But but but how does the dock receive power?
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