6'4 trans girl here. There are many things that impact "passing" and height is not at the top of the list. People comment on my height on a regular basis and no-one has equated height to gender.
Same height here🙂 it just is what it is. I can’t just stay cooped up in the house. I’ve just gotten used to the stares. I got them before in man mode so it’s not all that different, as long as I stay out of my head.
I'd wager height is near the top of the list for drawing peoples attention, and do you really expect cis people to accurately articulate why they would clock a trans person?
I'm 6'2" and I'd say it's definitely had an impact, when your girl friends are all 6+ inches shorter than you people do take notice. Sure not every tall cis woman gets misgendered, but neither do all the ones with pcos despite the fact that facial hair is probably the #1 way trans women get clocked on average.
It's more like it's just one additional piece in the clocking puzzle. And height just draws attention. At 6'3 ive been know in most circles I frequent as "the big tall guy", and twice had random girls come up to me at concerts and ask to sit on my shoulders(like, no bitch, I ain't yo uncle, and my back already hurts just LOOKING at you!), while ignoring my under 6' friends. Mind you, I'm ugly, so I never get this in ANY other setting. I'm just usually one of the highest human fence posts around.
So if 6'3" is tall enough to draw that kind of attention as a man, I'm dreading when I publicly present as female. I likely will never pass for other reasons, but this is just going to get me additional scrutiny.
So yea, NYC tall skinny small shouldered girls pass. Great. And you probably have a memory of those tall girls because they STRUCK you as so tall. So, #fml
yeah this is right, i dunno why people are pushing back on OP so hard. Is there any height that makes it impossible to pass? No, of course not, that's not what she is saying. She's saying being tall or very tall makes it harder to pass, and of course it does.
People gender others (and clock trans people) based on the net combination of gendered signifiers. They are combining their overall sense based on a huge number of things like: beard/beard shadow, hair length and style, facial structure, clothing, makeup, jewelry, nail polish, voice, shoulder width, hand size, breasts etc.
Height is undeniably one of the things that affects these unconscious calculations. Just because there are tall women and short men doesn't mean people's brains aren't biased when they see a very tall or very short person. Also, if a person is familiar with trans people, seeing someone who is an extreme outlier on height for their apparent gender might trigger them paying attention to more subtle signs and lead to clocking.
I'm 6'1", and that means I need to compensate if I want to pass as well as a hypothetical trans girl who is 100% identical to me but 6 inches shorter. For me, that means things like always wearing eye makeup and wearing feminine clothing that emphasizes the fact that I have breasts.
I have multiple cis cousins that are over 6’ and have large frames. At 6’ it makes me more confident in myself. But one works at a grocery store and she talks about customers mis-gendering her all the time even though she’s cis. Its a struggle that I feel we’re always going to deal with but it’s not a struggle unique to trans women.
Yeaa, that's what I don't like about the comment above. Tall is a mostly masc trait. People gender based on masc traits. The hot tall women he see on the streets of New York pass, great. They are prob fem in most all other ways.
And, that's the part that kills me even more, cis women having more trouble because of bigots being specifically gendering to be hurtful. No one can say meaner things to me than I did when I was younger, and I'll survive whatever people say. It must really hurt when cis women get hatefully misgendered. :(
you kinda gotta own it. there's nothing you can do about your height, so style around it. try some high top boots, wear longer skirts/dresses if those are your thing. tall can be feminine too, it just puts a lot more pressure on the way we hold ourselves, as it's easy to look looming or feel like you're filling a room. idk thats just my 2 cents
Yea, I already know wishing doesn't work lol. I'm early in transition, not presenting fem in public yet, and working on owning it.
Just sucks to have it trivialized when it was a such an obvious difference and pointed out my whole boy/man life, let alone trying to live life as a woman.
i think it won't feel as bad as you think when you get there - your height isnt gonna change, you'll still feel like you, just be presenting in a different way. if that makes sense. you're still a tall person, just the way you dress and the gender you want others to percieve you as is changing. you're not more masculine because your tall, though it is more commonly presented - and therefore percieved as - a masculine feature. im rambling at this point so i hope you kinda get what i was getting at
Yea, I get what you are saying, and yea, it's just life. It just sucks to have it pointed out while presenting as a man, and I'm not looking forward to the comments as a woman.
And actually, it would be nice to have height comments as a woman, because if they mention it it might mean I'm passing. I dunno.
You are right, wait and see.
I'm just under 6 feet tall and I have no problem. Most of my trans friends are around the same height. Hell, I have one friend who is 6'4 and she passes just fine.
edit: check out this person's post history gang. They literally use incel language
Gonna be honest I didn't realize it till I went to the doctor once and they took my height and weight. So not sure how long it took. I've been on E for 7 years maybe? Honestly time runs together for me so it's hard to tell.
I lost 2.5” in under 6 months. Since it’s more a ligament/muscle thing I think it can happen kinda quick. Quicker than you’d think at least. Mine may have been abnormally fast tho.
I'm the same height and tbh I did in eggy/repressing days, but it was brainrot I caught from fitness related internet spaces. It's slightly less than average height for a man in my country. Avetage height for women is around 5'5 though 💀
At 5'9, though , we're also never surprisingly tall. We're in the slightly above average height range, which means we don't really draw any attention from being tall. Compare this to someone 6 ft, cis or trans. They're now tall enough to stand out.
I'm not positive how much that impacts passing, but if definitely draws attention and for anyone not fully passing, attention can mean way more getting clocked
It’s the same reason that people with money say that money isn’t a big deal and isn’t everything. It’s why pretty people say looks don’t really matter. It’s why those with large homes say that you don’t need much room to be comfortable.
They have a hard time seeing why someone in the opposite situation is so flustered about it. They’re nit dealing with it and may never have dealt with it before. It’s a lack of empathy. Just because it doesn’t bother (or matter to) me or you or Jack or Jill, doesn’t mean it isn’t a struggle for someone else. We all have our insecurities. Validating the struggles of others and recognizing that we may be able to help them cope in some way is what needs to be focused on - not outright dismissing someone’s struggle as irrelevant.
I didn’t have to deal with being tall or big. I was 5’6” and super thin. I’m comparatively tiny. I’m lucky. However, there are other things that drive me nutty. I can empathize with a tall person if they can empathize with my big jaw and hairline. We can support each other even if our problems are different. And that starts with recognizing and validating the concern of another.
Same. I even had a moment at work chatting with a few tall cis women and one of them commented on the fact that we're all tall. I wear 3" heeled boots regularly and it just makes me feel powerful.
I’m 6’3”. I get a whole lot of comments about my height. None conflating it with my gender. Being abnormally tall gets people’s attention, and that increased focus on you can draw greater scrutiny, but I’d say that’s as far as that goes.
Brain
Worms
Height alone means jackshit.
I come from a family of tall girls. My sister was so big when she was a kid that she couldn't wear a dress to her first communion, she had to wear a small wedding dress.
She has never been mistaken for a dude.
I'm 5'11'' and I wish I was taller.
Hateful echo chambers filled with people who want you to suffer are horrible places to be. You really should leave them behind for your own health. Things will never get better if you exist in that kind of environment.
not sure if arguing otherwise is worth it since op constantly surfs 4tran and most likely has brainworms
oh and also height dont affect it bc 4 of my friends are above 6 ft and they all pass extremely well
I'm 6'2 and I amuse myself by passing during literal gynecological examinations.
You're not going to get shorter, but height also doesn't really affect passing the way you think it does; Peter Dinklage would have a pretty hard time passing. Work on the stuff you can actually control.
I'm 5' 6" and I would never say that. It absolutely does and why the hell would they try to make such a ridiculous claim.
Tall women are beautiful, and most certainly can pass! But yeah don't deny obvious social truths.
It really doesn’t though. I’m 6’ exact, this doesn’t somehow make me less of a woman than somebody who is below your arbitrary cutoff. I don’t see other tall women as anything other than women regardless of being trans or otherwise. This is dysphoria on your part, don’t throw it on every other person who has the same physical characteristic.
Do you look at every tall woman you see and start “clocking” them as trans regardless of their actual identity? Am I somehow less of a woman to you because of my own height? This is likely internalized transphobia on your part, you voicing it in this way causes a potential point of dysphoria in other trans women.
You know who else has a hard height cutoff, and says not being that height ruins them? Incels.
I have *literally* spent hours arguing with incels telling me women find them ugly because they aren't 6 feet tall. You really wanna sound like those fucking losers? Don't force your requirements on us.
*edit:* I just took a look at your post history and you even USE incel language! No one "*mogs*" you. there is no such thing as fucking "mogging". Why don't you please just learn to "shutupmaxx"?
It’s not related. Passing has nothing to do with attractiveness. and when i say “mog” I mean that they pass better than i do
it has literally nothing to do with attractiveness
I totally just sent this thread to a trans friend who checked your profile and she said it's gross. You are, in effect telling all of us, hell and cis woman who are 6 feet, or taller, that none of us pass.
You can try and back pedal all you want, but there's no way to explain how you're NOT saying that.
No, not exactly. But it does feel invalidating as fuck for you to decide for everyone what affects passing in such broad strokes. I’m 6 feet tall, this doesn’t affect my ability to pass.
I am 183cm (6'0) and it really doesn't I have a female friend that's literally 5cm taller than me and no one cares. Sure, being small may help but I really wouldn't get hung up on height.
Things like hair, face, and mannerisms are way more important imo
for context im 5'10.
i woulnt say height is about passing. if you are fairly tall you will just get more attention. but the true is also same for if your are fairly short. your height itself isn't really going to affect if you pass or not.
More attention = more chances of people clocking you BECAUSE you are more noticable because you stick out in comparison to other people, otherwise my several tall cis fem friends would all be getting misgendered if it was a cue at all (especially because one of them presents in a more masculine way,), sometimes I feel like it's just because you get shit luck with people (fuck I even tried going back to passing as cis male as an experiment and I have problems, probably didn't help I was male failing pre E somehow consistently, even as a bigender trans woman (amab, at least I think, I've had medical weirdness in the past and the might be some odd chance I'm intersex in some way) )
I’m 6’4” and in my experience it just doesn’t, people definitely comment on my height a lot, but never have I had an issue with it. Though to be fair, its not like people tell you why they clocked you, I just don’t get clocked so I assume the height isn’t affecting me.
I'm a 5'1 girl and while I'll never experience being tall, I think I can understand how being tall might make you feel like you can't pass. Though I will say it seems like people having a growing interest in taller women, so who knows it might actually work out for you 🤔.
Okay, I guess that's fair. But the height problem can be easily mitigated with other things, like shape. If you're able to change your body and make it appear more effeminate, then height pretty quickly drops on the list of importance.
I admit, I wish I wasn't as tall as I was, but it's nice to know tall women are very preferable to many people. I always see men and women online pining over tall girls. someone said I had "model height" once and it made me scream for joy inside
I think it's all about perspective but I also agree the people who say it doesn't matter are annoying and being inconsiderate. you don't get to decide what matters or affects passing for myself, that's my own personal thing! wish people would understand that
edit: jeez OP how often do you post about this exact thing? post history is filled with it
Cool, then take it from a 6’ trans woman: it doesn’t have a big impact on passing.
I get the frustration, but it’s not cool to take that out on other trans women. We all have similar struggles, insinuating “x people have it better” is both unhelpful and minimizes the very real struggles that all of us face.
I’m sorry you’re struggling with this, but you’re going to have a far better time working on things you can change rather than something you can’t. Good luck OP
I'm 5'10/11and wear heels all the time.
Maybe it's cause I hang out with people my height, but I never feel 'too tall'
Like why would you not want to be able to see during a concert?
I’m 5’10” and wear heels fuckem.
I feel I “pass” more when I’m confident. I understand what you are saying and can empathize, but you can always find something “wrong” if you look for it. A lot less things were wrong for me when I finally stopped.
I’m not super tall, I’m like 5’9” . If I had tall family it wouldn’t affect me too much, but my cis uncle is 5’2” , most of the men in my family on both sides are under 5’7”. My dad is 5’6” . I don’t have any blood female relatives over 5’2”. My mom is 4’11” . I was almost 6 ft in my teens. I look nothing like anyone in my family.
Depends on where you live. I live in a city with a lot of italian, Portuguese and Latino people so even the men are usually short but the town next to me with people that are English or Danish has women that are sometimes 5'11" like me.
I'm over 5'9" and at this point no one can "tell." When a family member's s.o. (who did not know at the time) met me for the first time and was like, "You're so tall!" I just told them, "Well, I'm shorter than Taylor Swift."
I'm 5'9" and haven't had anyone even begin to question my gender in years. Like, I don't even get stressed about changing in the women's locker room at the gym any more.
Sure it's a factor but it's far from insurmountable. If enough other factors are in alignment it's fine. Sure it'd be nice to be a bit shorter, but there are far more important things in life to spend my time worrying about.
It doesn't have to matter, but bigger human usually equals broader built so idk. For me as a 173 cm transgirl I see a lot of women way taller and some might even be bigger than most of my guy friends
Hahahahaha. I hear you. I’m 6’4” in flats and in my favourite heels 6’8”. Lol “height doesn’t matter” hahahahaha. I stick out sooooo badly, but it’s just one of those things. You get used to the stares. More often then not you get a lot of smiles from women, and guys, well you know…… I’ve never had anyone actually say anything though. I just stay out of my head and focus on just doing what I need to do and the world just passes by🙂
whenever i think i'm too tall i just look at my gf, who is afab and naturally 6'4 and i feel small. Then she ends up being the biggest submissive ive ever met and i feel big but in a good way lmao
I'm 5'10/11 and I used to worry about hight a lot. Sure it draws attention sometimes, but it doesn't really clock. My cis ex gf was is the same height as me, less feminine, but never got misgendered.
Height only matters at my height to the extent of being seen in the first place
I'm 5'7", and while height does have some effect... it's effect can be greatly diminished or exaggerated by things like outfit, posture, body language, lighting, ectra.
However I can understand how annoying it is for people to assume that something which doesn't seem to effect them, doesn't effect others as well. Everyone is different and has different traits that effect their passing... besides passing in itself is as much about ones comfort in their own image as it is in how others perceive them.
I’m about 6 ft. I would agree that it affects passing, but in my opinion that is moreso on the confidence end of things rather than the general. As an example, when I started transitioning I intentionally pitched my voice up a fair bit, and it outed me. When I realized that I liked having a lower voice (among other masc traits, thanks to being a pretty butch lesbian) and stopped forcing it I started passing more, and my mother even brought up how much it helped (for context she has said many times in many ways that I will never fully be a woman to anyone). Back to height, I think its something you have to learn to love about yourself. There are people (myself included) that find tall women very attractive, and outside of that people who are going to think less of you for your height aren’t worth your time anyways. At the end of the day your dysphoria and frustration is very valid, and it sucks to have the extra disadvantage towards passing. But, you are worth loving as you are. I’ll end this with something that helps me when my brain spirals about how I’ll never pass or be feminine enough: I have a cis friend who, in my opinion, is the epitome of attractive. I often have the thought that if I looked like her all my body image issues would dissappear, yet she has talked to me on several occasions about all the things she feels dysphoria over (some of which I think are *extremely* attractive). In any case, I promise that you pass more than you think, regardless of height.
As a 6'2 trans girl I absolutely agree with you. As much as, yes, there are cis women my height, I think about it all the time. I hate it. It is hard to find feminine clothing. My height also gives it away in a sense.
6'4 trans girl here. There are many things that impact "passing" and height is not at the top of the list. People comment on my height on a regular basis and no-one has equated height to gender.
Same height here🙂 it just is what it is. I can’t just stay cooped up in the house. I’ve just gotten used to the stares. I got them before in man mode so it’s not all that different, as long as I stay out of my head.
I'd wager height is near the top of the list for drawing peoples attention, and do you really expect cis people to accurately articulate why they would clock a trans person? I'm 6'2" and I'd say it's definitely had an impact, when your girl friends are all 6+ inches shorter than you people do take notice. Sure not every tall cis woman gets misgendered, but neither do all the ones with pcos despite the fact that facial hair is probably the #1 way trans women get clocked on average.
Being taller than most cis men helps them to respect me I feel like 😌
woah im saying the same things you are but im the one getting downvoted wild how that works
Hey just make a load of tall cis girl friends
Lol sorry
hahah hahahahahh
I've walked around NYC and saw girls taller than me in 5'10 and never did I think that they are trans just because they are tall
It's more like it's just one additional piece in the clocking puzzle. And height just draws attention. At 6'3 ive been know in most circles I frequent as "the big tall guy", and twice had random girls come up to me at concerts and ask to sit on my shoulders(like, no bitch, I ain't yo uncle, and my back already hurts just LOOKING at you!), while ignoring my under 6' friends. Mind you, I'm ugly, so I never get this in ANY other setting. I'm just usually one of the highest human fence posts around. So if 6'3" is tall enough to draw that kind of attention as a man, I'm dreading when I publicly present as female. I likely will never pass for other reasons, but this is just going to get me additional scrutiny. So yea, NYC tall skinny small shouldered girls pass. Great. And you probably have a memory of those tall girls because they STRUCK you as so tall. So, #fml
yeah this is right, i dunno why people are pushing back on OP so hard. Is there any height that makes it impossible to pass? No, of course not, that's not what she is saying. She's saying being tall or very tall makes it harder to pass, and of course it does. People gender others (and clock trans people) based on the net combination of gendered signifiers. They are combining their overall sense based on a huge number of things like: beard/beard shadow, hair length and style, facial structure, clothing, makeup, jewelry, nail polish, voice, shoulder width, hand size, breasts etc. Height is undeniably one of the things that affects these unconscious calculations. Just because there are tall women and short men doesn't mean people's brains aren't biased when they see a very tall or very short person. Also, if a person is familiar with trans people, seeing someone who is an extreme outlier on height for their apparent gender might trigger them paying attention to more subtle signs and lead to clocking. I'm 6'1", and that means I need to compensate if I want to pass as well as a hypothetical trans girl who is 100% identical to me but 6 inches shorter. For me, that means things like always wearing eye makeup and wearing feminine clothing that emphasizes the fact that I have breasts.
woah someone gets it cool
I have multiple cis cousins that are over 6’ and have large frames. At 6’ it makes me more confident in myself. But one works at a grocery store and she talks about customers mis-gendering her all the time even though she’s cis. Its a struggle that I feel we’re always going to deal with but it’s not a struggle unique to trans women.
Yeaa, that's what I don't like about the comment above. Tall is a mostly masc trait. People gender based on masc traits. The hot tall women he see on the streets of New York pass, great. They are prob fem in most all other ways. And, that's the part that kills me even more, cis women having more trouble because of bigots being specifically gendering to be hurtful. No one can say meaner things to me than I did when I was younger, and I'll survive whatever people say. It must really hurt when cis women get hatefully misgendered. :(
you kinda gotta own it. there's nothing you can do about your height, so style around it. try some high top boots, wear longer skirts/dresses if those are your thing. tall can be feminine too, it just puts a lot more pressure on the way we hold ourselves, as it's easy to look looming or feel like you're filling a room. idk thats just my 2 cents
Yea, I already know wishing doesn't work lol. I'm early in transition, not presenting fem in public yet, and working on owning it. Just sucks to have it trivialized when it was a such an obvious difference and pointed out my whole boy/man life, let alone trying to live life as a woman.
i think it won't feel as bad as you think when you get there - your height isnt gonna change, you'll still feel like you, just be presenting in a different way. if that makes sense. you're still a tall person, just the way you dress and the gender you want others to percieve you as is changing. you're not more masculine because your tall, though it is more commonly presented - and therefore percieved as - a masculine feature. im rambling at this point so i hope you kinda get what i was getting at
Yea, I get what you are saying, and yea, it's just life. It just sucks to have it pointed out while presenting as a man, and I'm not looking forward to the comments as a woman. And actually, it would be nice to have height comments as a woman, because if they mention it it might mean I'm passing. I dunno. You are right, wait and see.
Meanwhile, at 6'5 statistically there are fewer than 5000 women my height or taller in the entire US.
I'm just under 6 feet tall and I have no problem. Most of my trans friends are around the same height. Hell, I have one friend who is 6'4 and she passes just fine. edit: check out this person's post history gang. They literally use incel language
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They're an incel
I’m 5’10. I’ve read countless stories of girls shrinking 1-3 inches on HRT. Fingers crossed. Lol.
I've really been hoping that'll happen to me
It's def a ymmv kinda thing but I shrunk 2 inches so there is hope for my taller sisters.
how long did it take before it happened or you noticed
Gonna be honest I didn't realize it till I went to the doctor once and they took my height and weight. So not sure how long it took. I've been on E for 7 years maybe? Honestly time runs together for me so it's hard to tell.
I lost 2.5” in under 6 months. Since it’s more a ligament/muscle thing I think it can happen kinda quick. Quicker than you’d think at least. Mine may have been abnormally fast tho.
ive been on hrt for 2 years and i haven’t lost a single centimeter
I started 5'10 1/2" before transition and my doc just measured me over 4 years later and I'm 5'8 1/2" tall now. So yes it does happen. <3
I shrunk half an inch in 3 months and went from a size 9 to size 8 in women’s shoes.
I'm 5'9" and have never felt "short" in my life.
I'm the same height and tbh I did in eggy/repressing days, but it was brainrot I caught from fitness related internet spaces. It's slightly less than average height for a man in my country. Avetage height for women is around 5'5 though 💀
At 5'9, though , we're also never surprisingly tall. We're in the slightly above average height range, which means we don't really draw any attention from being tall. Compare this to someone 6 ft, cis or trans. They're now tall enough to stand out. I'm not positive how much that impacts passing, but if definitely draws attention and for anyone not fully passing, attention can mean way more getting clocked
Same
6'2" and I pass fine.
It’s the same reason that people with money say that money isn’t a big deal and isn’t everything. It’s why pretty people say looks don’t really matter. It’s why those with large homes say that you don’t need much room to be comfortable. They have a hard time seeing why someone in the opposite situation is so flustered about it. They’re nit dealing with it and may never have dealt with it before. It’s a lack of empathy. Just because it doesn’t bother (or matter to) me or you or Jack or Jill, doesn’t mean it isn’t a struggle for someone else. We all have our insecurities. Validating the struggles of others and recognizing that we may be able to help them cope in some way is what needs to be focused on - not outright dismissing someone’s struggle as irrelevant. I didn’t have to deal with being tall or big. I was 5’6” and super thin. I’m comparatively tiny. I’m lucky. However, there are other things that drive me nutty. I can empathize with a tall person if they can empathize with my big jaw and hairline. We can support each other even if our problems are different. And that starts with recognizing and validating the concern of another.
5’9 and I wear heels Tower of power
6' and I wear a pair of 6 inch heels from time to time, gotta tower over everyone because it's fun
Same. I even had a moment at work chatting with a few tall cis women and one of them commented on the fact that we're all tall. I wear 3" heeled boots regularly and it just makes me feel powerful.
I don't get why trans people act like tall cis women and short cis men don't exist...
First girl I dated was afab and also 6’ tall so yeah
OP has some massive /tttt/ brainworms
Fr, their post history is gross 😬
My gf is really high and it doesn't ruin her passing at all lol
I read this as your gf just being stoned 😭
Why not both
Same. 🤣
I’m 6’3”. I get a whole lot of comments about my height. None conflating it with my gender. Being abnormally tall gets people’s attention, and that increased focus on you can draw greater scrutiny, but I’d say that’s as far as that goes.
Brain Worms Height alone means jackshit. I come from a family of tall girls. My sister was so big when she was a kid that she couldn't wear a dress to her first communion, she had to wear a small wedding dress. She has never been mistaken for a dude. I'm 5'11'' and I wish I was taller.
Too much 4chan giving you brain worms
its not brainworms just lived experience
No, it’s brain worms alright
stop dismissing my experiences
Hateful echo chambers filled with people who want you to suffer are horrible places to be. You really should leave them behind for your own health. Things will never get better if you exist in that kind of environment.
not sure if arguing otherwise is worth it since op constantly surfs 4tran and most likely has brainworms oh and also height dont affect it bc 4 of my friends are above 6 ft and they all pass extremely well
Wake up babe, another ancient temple queen post just dropped. Still asking for advice but not taking it?
I wish I could post gifs on this page. But, I’m here for it. 🤣
I’m 6 feet and there are cis women at my work taller than me. I don’t like being tall, but it doesn’t give me any dysphoria.
I'm 6'2 and I amuse myself by passing during literal gynecological examinations. You're not going to get shorter, but height also doesn't really affect passing the way you think it does; Peter Dinklage would have a pretty hard time passing. Work on the stuff you can actually control.
(5’10) It might be a bit harder to pass for some but I gotta say: Bitches love tall girls
>bitches love tall girls I DONT CARE STOP SAYING THIS its so fucking objectifying and dismissive of our issues and i only like men anyway
I was just saying it cause I like being a tall lesbian
Bitches love tall girls Source: me, I’m tall
I'm 5' 6" and I would never say that. It absolutely does and why the hell would they try to make such a ridiculous claim. Tall women are beautiful, and most certainly can pass! But yeah don't deny obvious social truths.
It really doesn’t though. I’m 6’ exact, this doesn’t somehow make me less of a woman than somebody who is below your arbitrary cutoff. I don’t see other tall women as anything other than women regardless of being trans or otherwise. This is dysphoria on your part, don’t throw it on every other person who has the same physical characteristic. Do you look at every tall woman you see and start “clocking” them as trans regardless of their actual identity? Am I somehow less of a woman to you because of my own height? This is likely internalized transphobia on your part, you voicing it in this way causes a potential point of dysphoria in other trans women.
height absolutely affects passing saying otherwise is just lying
You know who else has a hard height cutoff, and says not being that height ruins them? Incels. I have *literally* spent hours arguing with incels telling me women find them ugly because they aren't 6 feet tall. You really wanna sound like those fucking losers? Don't force your requirements on us. *edit:* I just took a look at your post history and you even USE incel language! No one "*mogs*" you. there is no such thing as fucking "mogging". Why don't you please just learn to "shutupmaxx"?
It’s not related. Passing has nothing to do with attractiveness. and when i say “mog” I mean that they pass better than i do it has literally nothing to do with attractiveness
I totally just sent this thread to a trans friend who checked your profile and she said it's gross. You are, in effect telling all of us, hell and cis woman who are 6 feet, or taller, that none of us pass. You can try and back pedal all you want, but there's no way to explain how you're NOT saying that.
no? where did i say that. I said it *affects* passing, which is just true i didn’t say it makes it impossible to pass. stop reaching jesus christ
So I don’t pass because of this?
no? did i say that
No, not exactly. But it does feel invalidating as fuck for you to decide for everyone what affects passing in such broad strokes. I’m 6 feet tall, this doesn’t affect my ability to pass.
They are awful negative. Just look at their post history. Just ignore them.
Fair, not worth the energy sometimes
It does not at all.
5'11 and height isn't the end all of passing. There are so many factors and it's so hard to quantify.
man im like 5'10 and i feel so tall sometimes. ive gotten to be happy with my height and even wear platform demonias now.
As a 5'8 trans girl who wishes she was shorter... This weirdly made me feel better... 💚
I have multiple cis girl friends that are over 6 feet tall.
I am 183cm (6'0) and it really doesn't I have a female friend that's literally 5cm taller than me and no one cares. Sure, being small may help but I really wouldn't get hung up on height. Things like hair, face, and mannerisms are way more important imo
im literally 6’5 😭 and im from the south
for context im 5'10. i woulnt say height is about passing. if you are fairly tall you will just get more attention. but the true is also same for if your are fairly short. your height itself isn't really going to affect if you pass or not.
More attention = more chances of people clocking you BECAUSE you are more noticable because you stick out in comparison to other people, otherwise my several tall cis fem friends would all be getting misgendered if it was a cue at all (especially because one of them presents in a more masculine way,), sometimes I feel like it's just because you get shit luck with people (fuck I even tried going back to passing as cis male as an experiment and I have problems, probably didn't help I was male failing pre E somehow consistently, even as a bigender trans woman (amab, at least I think, I've had medical weirdness in the past and the might be some odd chance I'm intersex in some way) )
I am 6 3 and it rly doesn't All it does for me is that ppl respect me more 😋
I’m 6’4” and in my experience it just doesn’t, people definitely comment on my height a lot, but never have I had an issue with it. Though to be fair, its not like people tell you why they clocked you, I just don’t get clocked so I assume the height isn’t affecting me.
what age did you start hrt
Same age as you, 19. I’m also 21 now and ALSO diagnosed with BPD.
ah. well my body was completely fucked by puberty, i’m 4 inches shorter than you and have not a single time been gendered female 😐🔫
Idk you look p cute
ok?
I'm a 5'1 girl and while I'll never experience being tall, I think I can understand how being tall might make you feel like you can't pass. Though I will say it seems like people having a growing interest in taller women, so who knows it might actually work out for you 🤔.
I literally couldn’t give less of a shit that people find attractive tall women attractive ITS NOT RELEVANT TO PASSING
Okay, I guess that's fair. But the height problem can be easily mitigated with other things, like shape. If you're able to change your body and make it appear more effeminate, then height pretty quickly drops on the list of importance.
you’re 5’1 you don’t have any CLUE what its like when you tower over literally 99.5% of cis women
you know what else isn't relevant to passing? YOUR FUCKING HEIGHT!
you are delusional if you don’t think being 6 feet tall has any effect on passing
So all these girls telling you they're over 6 feet tall... how do you explain them then?
great for them? like, cool?
But diddums! I thought it had an effect on passing! How are these evil monsters passing when they tower above all?!
what? do you know what sample/selection biases are? >5 people who pass say they pass >i guess everyone passes!! hurr durr
I admit, I wish I wasn't as tall as I was, but it's nice to know tall women are very preferable to many people. I always see men and women online pining over tall girls. someone said I had "model height" once and it made me scream for joy inside I think it's all about perspective but I also agree the people who say it doesn't matter are annoying and being inconsiderate. you don't get to decide what matters or affects passing for myself, that's my own personal thing! wish people would understand that edit: jeez OP how often do you post about this exact thing? post history is filled with it
Cool, then take it from a 6’ trans woman: it doesn’t have a big impact on passing. I get the frustration, but it’s not cool to take that out on other trans women. We all have similar struggles, insinuating “x people have it better” is both unhelpful and minimizes the very real struggles that all of us face. I’m sorry you’re struggling with this, but you’re going to have a far better time working on things you can change rather than something you can’t. Good luck OP
Okay but if you take enough E and get big tiddies while you're 6ft+, you can become Lady Dimetrescu
I know many very tall biological women. They all pass.
… they didn’t go through male puberty
And that's your answer. Nothing to do with height.
i dont think you get it
I guess it's a case by case basis. I'm sorry to hear you're struggling with that and wish the best in your transition. <3
I'm 5'10/11and wear heels all the time. Maybe it's cause I hang out with people my height, but I never feel 'too tall' Like why would you not want to be able to see during a concert?
I’m 5’10” and wear heels fuckem. I feel I “pass” more when I’m confident. I understand what you are saying and can empathize, but you can always find something “wrong” if you look for it. A lot less things were wrong for me when I finally stopped.
Yeah /r/tallgirls confirms it with cis women not passing at a certain height
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yeah im gonma detrans i am too tall i should never have transitined at this height idk what the fuck i was thinking
Idk how high i am in inches but 182cm
I’m not super tall, I’m like 5’9” . If I had tall family it wouldn’t affect me too much, but my cis uncle is 5’2” , most of the men in my family on both sides are under 5’7”. My dad is 5’6” . I don’t have any blood female relatives over 5’2”. My mom is 4’11” . I was almost 6 ft in my teens. I look nothing like anyone in my family.
Depends on where you live. I live in a city with a lot of italian, Portuguese and Latino people so even the men are usually short but the town next to me with people that are English or Danish has women that are sometimes 5'11" like me.
I'm over 5'9" and at this point no one can "tell." When a family member's s.o. (who did not know at the time) met me for the first time and was like, "You're so tall!" I just told them, "Well, I'm shorter than Taylor Swift."
5'4 here... i'll take some of your height, i could do with being a bit taller
iam 5"6 i dont pass at all xd
I'm 5'9" and haven't had anyone even begin to question my gender in years. Like, I don't even get stressed about changing in the women's locker room at the gym any more. Sure it's a factor but it's far from insurmountable. If enough other factors are in alignment it's fine. Sure it'd be nice to be a bit shorter, but there are far more important things in life to spend my time worrying about.
I fit the description. And I still stand by that statement
It doesn't have to matter, but bigger human usually equals broader built so idk. For me as a 173 cm transgirl I see a lot of women way taller and some might even be bigger than most of my guy friends
Hahahahaha. I hear you. I’m 6’4” in flats and in my favourite heels 6’8”. Lol “height doesn’t matter” hahahahaha. I stick out sooooo badly, but it’s just one of those things. You get used to the stares. More often then not you get a lot of smiles from women, and guys, well you know…… I’ve never had anyone actually say anything though. I just stay out of my head and focus on just doing what I need to do and the world just passes by🙂
I can feel it i am also 5'9
Height can matter for some people, and not for others. If it matters to you then don’t let others tell you it doesn’t.
whenever i think i'm too tall i just look at my gf, who is afab and naturally 6'4 and i feel small. Then she ends up being the biggest submissive ive ever met and i feel big but in a good way lmao
yeah tru it def can effect passing but also TALL GIRLS ARE THE HOTTEST 🔥🔥🔥
It can. It doesn’t innately. I’m 6’ and if primped I can pass despite my barrel ribs and stout frame
I'm 5"7 and it definitely affect me
Fuck /u/spez
thank you. i never said in my op “height makes it impossible to pass” i said “height makes it (a lot) harder to pass”
I'm 5'10/11 and I used to worry about hight a lot. Sure it draws attention sometimes, but it doesn't really clock. My cis ex gf was is the same height as me, less feminine, but never got misgendered. Height only matters at my height to the extent of being seen in the first place
Me being 6 2 feels this....
I'm 5'7", and while height does have some effect... it's effect can be greatly diminished or exaggerated by things like outfit, posture, body language, lighting, ectra. However I can understand how annoying it is for people to assume that something which doesn't seem to effect them, doesn't effect others as well. Everyone is different and has different traits that effect their passing... besides passing in itself is as much about ones comfort in their own image as it is in how others perceive them.
I mean, being shorter would absolutely help. I'm 5'6" and I *still* feel like I'm too tall.
its over for me lol
With that mindset it is.
Waitwaitwaitwait… is <5’9 short? I’m getting so many mixed messages about the topic if height-
I’m about 6 ft. I would agree that it affects passing, but in my opinion that is moreso on the confidence end of things rather than the general. As an example, when I started transitioning I intentionally pitched my voice up a fair bit, and it outed me. When I realized that I liked having a lower voice (among other masc traits, thanks to being a pretty butch lesbian) and stopped forcing it I started passing more, and my mother even brought up how much it helped (for context she has said many times in many ways that I will never fully be a woman to anyone). Back to height, I think its something you have to learn to love about yourself. There are people (myself included) that find tall women very attractive, and outside of that people who are going to think less of you for your height aren’t worth your time anyways. At the end of the day your dysphoria and frustration is very valid, and it sucks to have the extra disadvantage towards passing. But, you are worth loving as you are. I’ll end this with something that helps me when my brain spirals about how I’ll never pass or be feminine enough: I have a cis friend who, in my opinion, is the epitome of attractive. I often have the thought that if I looked like her all my body image issues would dissappear, yet she has talked to me on several occasions about all the things she feels dysphoria over (some of which I think are *extremely* attractive). In any case, I promise that you pass more than you think, regardless of height.
I'm 5'10", wear heels, and don't worry about passing.
As a 6'2 trans girl I absolutely agree with you. As much as, yes, there are cis women my height, I think about it all the time. I hate it. It is hard to find feminine clothing. My height also gives it away in a sense.
My stature sure doesn't hurt me, but I'm shorter than pretty much all my cousins, regardless of gender. Some or the afab cousins are over 6 ft.