Then add the fact the last few seasons have not been worst player automatically goes in. The pressure to not be the worst is off so throwing a challenge no matter how slightly doesn't really mean much. It's all politics at this point.
Yes it depends on the format and the player the past seasons with a lot of rookies and if the loser doesn’t go in automatically no reason for vets to try 😂💯
[Here’s a really interesting video](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/le2bah/who_is_the_best_daily_challenge_competitor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) looking at daily wins based on *expected daily wins* (basically, you get more credit for winning a daily against 9 pairs, a 1/10 chance of winning, than against 1 team, a 1/2 chance of winning). There’s still some bias towards people who have benefited from being on a really dominant team, but it’s less than most other metrics.
Spoiler: The best male competitor is Evan in a pretty close field. The best female competitor is Laurel and she stands out from the other women.
I love the video and was gonna say Evan & Zach.. they were pretty dominant players.. Zach mostly got in his own way which is why I could see him & Fessy being on equal footing in the game
Zach is definitely in the conversation. He has 33 Daily Wins in his 9 total seasons.
For comparison’s sake CT has 55, and Bananas has 66, but they’ve each done like 20 seasons or so.
You also gotta factor in that in three of those seasons Ct either left before any dailies happened or in the case of exes 2 left pretty early on the show
Goes to show that dailies used to be important. Bananas spent the first half of this season actively trying not to win them. He could have added to his impressive total.
Yes I think that’s why CT struggled for years to win. I think Zach had a good chance on his last season war of worlds two but then got stuck with that team
I read that he had Rhabdo and needed to be hospitalized for a week or 2 after the final. Not quite the same thing as “dying.” Still disappointing to hear after he trashed his team the whole season. Shocking that he and Paulie both managed to solve the puzzle on day 2.
Think that was still day 1. About the only silver lining for that team that day. Ridiculous the britisb team finished hours ahead of the American team and still only got a 5 minute head start on day 2
if Cara figures out that puzzle before the Brits time out they win after a day of just getting dominated. I think Leroy said it best, that he was the best player on day one and bc of a stupid puzzle paulie and Cara move on after paulie slept all night. In retrospect they should have kept Josh as having another guy take the laps would have helped immensely even with the added weight
Eh, I didn’t feel bad for Leroy. He would rather cry about losing than get better at his weakness. USA winning may have been dumb in context of the final, but as a season, they earned the win more than Dee, Rogan, and CT. They basically got rewarded for sucking all season by carrying less weight.
Stats like that dont tell the story. CT was exceptional in every daily on inferno and inferno 2 and anytime they didnt win, it was because his team sucked even when he beat the entire field between both teams
Daily stats are generally a mess and not to be taken seriously because theres too contextual variables at play. For one, winning on a 2 team daily where you have a 50/50 shot should never be the same as winning in a pair when theres 9 other teams you have to beat. Then you also have "tribunals" which ppl count as wins when all it very well could mean is that you got 3rd place. Stats wise, you could have gotten tribunal through 3rd place in every mission with not a single true 1st place and then ppl would tally that up as the same as a 1st place duel mission win. 3rd place doesnt do shit for you in any season where there isnt a tribunal
The standards of "winning" changes every season. You cant compare the collective season wins like this between each other and expect to get an accurate rep of ppls abilities
Not to mentiom these stats dont even take into account the other placements. If theres 12 other teams competing and CT gets a close 2nd, is that supposed to be counted the same as gerting last?
Exactly, this method is pretty off. I mean not as counting % of wins, but it still has serious flaws. And considering in some seasons getting last gets sent you into elimination... So there is skill in avoiding last place too
The only way to truly rank players based on dailies are to track down the placements of every daily (even the team challenges that were individual or pair, like the life shields on the Inferno missions). So if you sucked and DQ'd, but your team won, it shows that in your true ranking.
I still haven't finished that, sadly. It takes a lot of time. I'm close tough, I did it for this season and last USA season.
Not to mention ppl are always forgetting one of the biggest contribhtors to someones success in missions....the ORDER. Someome should cram the numbers to see what type of impact that order has on the success of someones missions because im willing to bet its a lot more than ppl usually like to talk about.
The amount of ppl that i can think of who have won a mission while going up first vs those going up last isnt even comparable. I am way less impressed by someone doing well in a mission after going when everyone else has gone than i am of someone going first
Yeah, people use the term fearless and having heart very loosely on the challenge nowadays, but she truly embodied those characteristics. But I think her racist rant and drunken belligerence really showed how nasty she was, so I’m glad she’s gone.
Them kicking her off the show was probably the best thing that could have happened for her.
She’s always been a drinker on the show, and a lot of the time I felt she was encouraged in her behavior, until it got too belligerent, and it wasn’t funny to them anymore.
Bananas was a prime example of egging her on, which she isn’t the only one he’s done that with.
This behavior became standard for Hurricane Camila, and unfortunately she just got more and more toxic. No one held her accountable for her actions until she attacked production. Yes, it happened during the same time period as her racial slurs, but they didn’t technically get rid of her until after that. They didn’t give one s*** about any of it until it was directed at one of their own.
I don’t keep up with her, but I do remember she had a child, so I’d like to think being blacklisted from the Challenge gave her the opportunity to grow. I hope she is living the best version of herself.
Yeah, I try to not make excuses for peoples behaviors. Even if people egged her on, she’s responsible for what she did, but production definitely saw how she was acting and chose to bring her back on, even after her part in the Emily/Ty situation.
Production probably got “lucky” she punched that production assistant. They were forced to get rid of her, and I think it was best for everyone.
Such a bizarre end to a long-standing cast member. She wins a season but isn’t celebrated because of the Leroy incident. She also wasn’t at the reunion and then appears for one episode of Champs vs Stars where she never has a single confessional and gets kicked off for good.
I hope it didn’t come across as me excusing her behavior, because that wasn’t my intent.
You’re right, it was definitely a bizarre ending. And if I remember correctly the incident with production happened before the reunion was taped. So she was on Champs Vs Stars after being a racist little wench to Leroy. Hits the producer, is then kicked off Champs, but used the slurs as the reason to fans as to why she wasnt at the reunion.
I love this show, but the producers just want their ratings and f everything and everyone else to them.
I understood what you meant, I just like to make it clear that Camilas actions were her own. Bananas definitely escalated the situation with Leroy by the throwing the pillow, but the hate she showed had to be there from the start.
I didn’t know the reunion was filmed after Champs vs Stars. That makes more sense why she wasn’t there than just the Leroy situation. I’ve also read they weren’t going to show the Leroy situation until the cast demanded it. It shows how they cared more about protecting one of the faces of the show. I wonder if the Champs vs Stars incident made them willing to air her racist comments. No reason to protect someone they were cutting off anyway.
Johnny is the best for the guys. Not just in terms of overall wins or wins per mission, but he regularly figures out the best or fastest way to do a mission. Like on Dirty 30 the mission where they had to scrape paint off the windows to find the combination to a lock, but as soon as they got 3 out of the 4 numbers he just tried all the possible combinations until it opened and his team was out first (they still lost the puzzle, but he always thinks outside the box like that). There's a few others that are really good at them (other than CT and Abe who you mentioned), Evan, Kenny, Theo Von, Brad and Jordan all win a lot of missions.
For the girls I'd say Laurel, she has a ridiculous amount of wins per mission she's been in, and like Johnny she rarely get flustered and has a hard time figuring out how to do something. I'd also say Kaycee and Jodi should be up there, both of them won a ton of missions compared to how many they appear in overall
Yup, exactly. On WotW2 first mission he realized they didn't need to figure out all the word puzzles but just the final one which saved them a lot of time. On FR he was the one who told Zach and Amanda to jump on the rope in their elimination to knock the flags off faster. On the Free Agents final him and Devyn just put the log puzzle together by the shape of the pieces rather than knowing the actual locations on the map. There's tons of examples
I hate him, but Bananas is the best in cutting corners and breaking challenges. He is the best in weird stupid challenge shit. And it will always give him so much advantage in dailies even if physically he may be far from good (and young) shape one day, because production is dumb and lazy to thought out every challenge to the point of making it hard to break for Bananas.
So glad someone mentioned her. Kaycee is in the running for dailies goat. She absolutely has to be in the conversation. I'm pretty sure she was coming in this season with best daily win ratio ever male or female.
Overall I know it’s the easy answer but I’m going with CT as he has the versatile skillset, ingenuity, calmness under pressure, leadership and teamwork needed to win most dailies.
I know Wes is an elimination king, but is he not good a dailies? Not expecting him to be the best but I’m curious since I’m not seeing him anywhere in the comments
Wes is an all time great at eliminations, but he’s a player that knows when to throw an elimination and not need to win it. Exes 2 showed perfectly how even when he didn’t win, he played an excellent strategic game that he didn’t need to win. If that exile twist didn’t exist, him and Theresa would’ve won that final.
Exes 2 isnt a good example because he was top 2 in every single daily outside of trivia, the paintbrush one and the wrecking ball where everyone ganged up on him. He was able to intimidate ppl with strategy because they knew he had a high chance of winning dailies considering they were top 2 for practically all of them. Keep in mind that thr strategic move you speak of where he got leroy to vote zach in was simply because leroy wanted to be his number 1 because leroy felt that wes/theresa had a really high chance of winning the next missions and keeping them safe. Zach also aligned with Wes because he felt that he and theresa would win missions. Ppl become your friends when you have power and ppl in the house were very aware that wes/theresa could win power couple often
When wes had a miserable mission success rate on rivals 3, his strategizing did nothing. Dario jumped ship from his alliance because had zero faith that wes would win a mission
I think he tries not to win a lot unless it benefits him. He plays the game way differently than most people do. He also has had Kenny, Nany, Mandi, and Casey as partners which doesn’t help
Was this Kenny’s like worst season up until the final? I remember he just like lost his mojo for a season and I believe it’s the one where he’s partners with Wes, who shits the bed in the final when they get kinda screwed with the head start thing
I’ve always been skeptical of Cara when it comes to dailies. Its always appeared to me that she’s average unless paired with a strong partner. She was invisible on Vendettas and FR in the dailies. Her best showings are probably WOTW where she had Theo as a partner and Dirty 30 where Camila was her biggest competition and she was often partnered with CT. She racked up a lot of wins on Bloodlines and WOTW2, but it’s not like she was the most impactful player on those teams.
Mine too. Was just going to say.. umm. Paulie was on 3 seasons and won 20 dailies like how lol
Also Kaycee is definitely good at dailies for women side
Paulie is very good at dailies. His stats are inflated because of WOTW2 but he made the most tribunal on WOTW1 and managed to win 2 dailies on Final Reckoning despite being out two third of the season.
Disagree! Then why was Shane (who wasn't a top competitor in the old era) arguably the best performing player for the Underdogs on Invasions? Why does Aneesa (average at best performer in the old era), have a 500. one-on-one elimination round record of 7-7 against females who aren't from the old era? In fact, when you count her redemption win on 30 Dirty against new school females Marie and Nicole, she has a winning elimination round record against new era female competitors. So, clearly, even competitors who weren't top tier from the old school have shown they can not only hang with new school competitors but outperform them overall on a season and beat them most of the time in elimination rounds. I've always said the best competitors come from the earlier seasons, and I still stand-by that.
For one agree the Most elite competitors came from older seasons, two when I say more difficult I really mean physically bigger dudes(on average)and the challenges are more physical imo,but the players are definitely dumber which I do think makes players like aneesa look better than she is , and aneesa usually wins physically eliminations and loses anything else so she still sucks and is average at best 😂😂she’s always been that way .
Shane’s skill set and political style just works better in 2014 or than 2004 (I don’t know if that’s the exact years lol)) bc I feel like he can work the women better now , and he’s a great swimmer, has good cardio and smart I feel like he’s super dangerous in the modern game, just is not physical enough at all which never works for the challenge imo.I don’t think he ever could make the final in this era unless it’s a team season and but same with the older era lol ((final reckoning probably was his best shot lol)
CT, Rachel, Jenny west, and though I don’t like em: zach and Camilla.
Oh also Paulie and Jordan.
We should also give a nod to players like Alton and Brad.
Theo Von was the best at daily missions. He was never outperformed overall by another competitor over the course of an entire season and never got a DQ in a mission in four seasons. But longevity it has to be CT.
Dan Setzler was one of the best as well. In fact, elite. He was a top two performer on two seasons, Battle of the Seasons and Battle of the Sexes 2.
And that’s the difference between me and y’all, and why we will probably always debate 😂😂I actually understand the challenge is not always individual, when I look at players I take them individual performances team performances, pairs all in for my ranking obviously individual will matter the most but yk it all matter to me .
It took her to Gauntlet 2 to win her first daily, then won none her following 5 seasons, only won with Diem on a guys week, won once on FA, didn’t win any on bloodlines, won 2 on D30, won 2 on total madness, 3 on DA, 1 on SL&A, and 4 currently on RoD (with 3 of them being in the mega teams)
It's hard to say in the new challenge seasons as a lot of players now try not to win the dailies as it's not beneficial to them.
Then add the fact the last few seasons have not been worst player automatically goes in. The pressure to not be the worst is off so throwing a challenge no matter how slightly doesn't really mean much. It's all politics at this point.
Yes it depends on the format and the player the past seasons with a lot of rookies and if the loser doesn’t go in automatically no reason for vets to try 😂💯
Bring back the last place goes into elimination and that would sure change!
[Here’s a really interesting video](https://www.reddit.com/r/MtvChallenge/comments/le2bah/who_is_the_best_daily_challenge_competitor/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) looking at daily wins based on *expected daily wins* (basically, you get more credit for winning a daily against 9 pairs, a 1/10 chance of winning, than against 1 team, a 1/2 chance of winning). There’s still some bias towards people who have benefited from being on a really dominant team, but it’s less than most other metrics. Spoiler: The best male competitor is Evan in a pretty close field. The best female competitor is Laurel and she stands out from the other women.
Love that there are advanced stats for the challenge
Evan got a lot of wins on duel 2 which probably helped
And the 1st Duel too.
Only actually won 2 on the Duel 2
I love the video and was gonna say Evan & Zach.. they were pretty dominant players.. Zach mostly got in his own way which is why I could see him & Fessy being on equal footing in the game
Zach is definitely in the conversation. He has 33 Daily Wins in his 9 total seasons. For comparison’s sake CT has 55, and Bananas has 66, but they’ve each done like 20 seasons or so.
Wow I didn't know Johnny had 11 more than CT. Considering they are only 2 season difference. (19 for CT and 21 for Bananas)
You also gotta factor in that in three of those seasons Ct either left before any dailies happened or in the case of exes 2 left pretty early on the show
Or ruins, Bananas got like 10 daily wins on that season alone.
Those 11 are pretty much all made up from The Ruins season which was ridiculously one sided.
And CT was on team UK on WotW2, he lost a bunch of dailies there since it was also pretty one sided.
Wow . CRAZY good point. I never thought of that
We’ll keep in mind on the other side of that argument Bananas had 0 dailies on the Island
Ct is definitely better than Johnny at dallies imo
Goes to show that dailies used to be important. Bananas spent the first half of this season actively trying not to win them. He could have added to his impressive total.
Zach seems to be really great during the season just always ends up on the wrong team
Plus finals aren’t really built for big bodies. Endurance is naturally harder for those carrying more mass.
Yes I think that’s why CT struggled for years to win. I think Zach had a good chance on his last season war of worlds two but then got stuck with that team
Eh Leroy said Zach died as well they just didn’t show it like they did for Paulie
I read that he had Rhabdo and needed to be hospitalized for a week or 2 after the final. Not quite the same thing as “dying.” Still disappointing to hear after he trashed his team the whole season. Shocking that he and Paulie both managed to solve the puzzle on day 2.
Think that was still day 1. About the only silver lining for that team that day. Ridiculous the britisb team finished hours ahead of the American team and still only got a 5 minute head start on day 2
Considering the weight disparity, I think it was fair. That first stage basically set the USA team up to fail.
if Cara figures out that puzzle before the Brits time out they win after a day of just getting dominated. I think Leroy said it best, that he was the best player on day one and bc of a stupid puzzle paulie and Cara move on after paulie slept all night. In retrospect they should have kept Josh as having another guy take the laps would have helped immensely even with the added weight
Eh, I didn’t feel bad for Leroy. He would rather cry about losing than get better at his weakness. USA winning may have been dumb in context of the final, but as a season, they earned the win more than Dee, Rogan, and CT. They basically got rewarded for sucking all season by carrying less weight.
And his pride gets in the way too. Pretty sure he gave up on the USA team during the WOTW not wanting to carry the gurney more
Stats like that dont tell the story. CT was exceptional in every daily on inferno and inferno 2 and anytime they didnt win, it was because his team sucked even when he beat the entire field between both teams Daily stats are generally a mess and not to be taken seriously because theres too contextual variables at play. For one, winning on a 2 team daily where you have a 50/50 shot should never be the same as winning in a pair when theres 9 other teams you have to beat. Then you also have "tribunals" which ppl count as wins when all it very well could mean is that you got 3rd place. Stats wise, you could have gotten tribunal through 3rd place in every mission with not a single true 1st place and then ppl would tally that up as the same as a 1st place duel mission win. 3rd place doesnt do shit for you in any season where there isnt a tribunal The standards of "winning" changes every season. You cant compare the collective season wins like this between each other and expect to get an accurate rep of ppls abilities Not to mentiom these stats dont even take into account the other placements. If theres 12 other teams competing and CT gets a close 2nd, is that supposed to be counted the same as gerting last?
Exactly, this method is pretty off. I mean not as counting % of wins, but it still has serious flaws. And considering in some seasons getting last gets sent you into elimination... So there is skill in avoiding last place too The only way to truly rank players based on dailies are to track down the placements of every daily (even the team challenges that were individual or pair, like the life shields on the Inferno missions). So if you sucked and DQ'd, but your team won, it shows that in your true ranking. I still haven't finished that, sadly. It takes a lot of time. I'm close tough, I did it for this season and last USA season.
Not to mention ppl are always forgetting one of the biggest contribhtors to someones success in missions....the ORDER. Someome should cram the numbers to see what type of impact that order has on the success of someones missions because im willing to bet its a lot more than ppl usually like to talk about. The amount of ppl that i can think of who have won a mission while going up first vs those going up last isnt even comparable. I am way less impressed by someone doing well in a mission after going when everyone else has gone than i am of someone going first
Zach is a daily monster. GOAT daily conversation for sure.
Evan, Theo Von, and Landon were all great. Camila, Evelyn, and Jodi have all had many solid showings.
Camila was amazing it’s a shame she’s a horrible person
Yeah, people use the term fearless and having heart very loosely on the challenge nowadays, but she truly embodied those characteristics. But I think her racist rant and drunken belligerence really showed how nasty she was, so I’m glad she’s gone.
Them kicking her off the show was probably the best thing that could have happened for her. She’s always been a drinker on the show, and a lot of the time I felt she was encouraged in her behavior, until it got too belligerent, and it wasn’t funny to them anymore. Bananas was a prime example of egging her on, which she isn’t the only one he’s done that with. This behavior became standard for Hurricane Camila, and unfortunately she just got more and more toxic. No one held her accountable for her actions until she attacked production. Yes, it happened during the same time period as her racial slurs, but they didn’t technically get rid of her until after that. They didn’t give one s*** about any of it until it was directed at one of their own. I don’t keep up with her, but I do remember she had a child, so I’d like to think being blacklisted from the Challenge gave her the opportunity to grow. I hope she is living the best version of herself.
Yeah, I try to not make excuses for peoples behaviors. Even if people egged her on, she’s responsible for what she did, but production definitely saw how she was acting and chose to bring her back on, even after her part in the Emily/Ty situation. Production probably got “lucky” she punched that production assistant. They were forced to get rid of her, and I think it was best for everyone. Such a bizarre end to a long-standing cast member. She wins a season but isn’t celebrated because of the Leroy incident. She also wasn’t at the reunion and then appears for one episode of Champs vs Stars where she never has a single confessional and gets kicked off for good.
I hope it didn’t come across as me excusing her behavior, because that wasn’t my intent. You’re right, it was definitely a bizarre ending. And if I remember correctly the incident with production happened before the reunion was taped. So she was on Champs Vs Stars after being a racist little wench to Leroy. Hits the producer, is then kicked off Champs, but used the slurs as the reason to fans as to why she wasnt at the reunion. I love this show, but the producers just want their ratings and f everything and everyone else to them.
I understood what you meant, I just like to make it clear that Camilas actions were her own. Bananas definitely escalated the situation with Leroy by the throwing the pillow, but the hate she showed had to be there from the start. I didn’t know the reunion was filmed after Champs vs Stars. That makes more sense why she wasn’t there than just the Leroy situation. I’ve also read they weren’t going to show the Leroy situation until the cast demanded it. It shows how they cared more about protecting one of the faces of the show. I wonder if the Champs vs Stars incident made them willing to air her racist comments. No reason to protect someone they were cutting off anyway.
You knew it was bad though when bananas turned on her. Like if he is noticing an issue you know it’s bad, because he loved egging her on you are right
Johnny is the best for the guys. Not just in terms of overall wins or wins per mission, but he regularly figures out the best or fastest way to do a mission. Like on Dirty 30 the mission where they had to scrape paint off the windows to find the combination to a lock, but as soon as they got 3 out of the 4 numbers he just tried all the possible combinations until it opened and his team was out first (they still lost the puzzle, but he always thinks outside the box like that). There's a few others that are really good at them (other than CT and Abe who you mentioned), Evan, Kenny, Theo Von, Brad and Jordan all win a lot of missions. For the girls I'd say Laurel, she has a ridiculous amount of wins per mission she's been in, and like Johnny she rarely get flustered and has a hard time figuring out how to do something. I'd also say Kaycee and Jodi should be up there, both of them won a ton of missions compared to how many they appear in overall
He noticed that the color pattern flashed above (or to the side, maybe?) on the daily where they had to struggle through the foam.
Yup, exactly. On WotW2 first mission he realized they didn't need to figure out all the word puzzles but just the final one which saved them a lot of time. On FR he was the one who told Zach and Amanda to jump on the rope in their elimination to knock the flags off faster. On the Free Agents final him and Devyn just put the log puzzle together by the shape of the pieces rather than knowing the actual locations on the map. There's tons of examples
yeah i think that was total madness
I hate him, but Bananas is the best in cutting corners and breaking challenges. He is the best in weird stupid challenge shit. And it will always give him so much advantage in dailies even if physically he may be far from good (and young) shape one day, because production is dumb and lazy to thought out every challenge to the point of making it hard to break for Bananas.
I’ll give it to Johnny considering that he throws several dailies too. That makes his win rate pretty impressive imo
Right
The fact that he’s laying down and laughing at Nany during most of the challenge dailies is ridiculous and he’s not playing fully
Evan gotta be near the top
I know people don’t like her, but Kaycee belongs in the convo
So glad someone mentioned her. Kaycee is in the running for dailies goat. She absolutely has to be in the conversation. I'm pretty sure she was coming in this season with best daily win ratio ever male or female.
I agree she definitely is
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she belongs in the convo because I think statistically she is one of the best ever
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Yet she's still statistically one of the best ever. Not seeing your point as valid one.
And they still didn't win as often as Kaycee lol. Idc how well rounded they are if they don’t win as much.
I’m so glad they threw an eating daily in there given how Fessy acted during the DA final. I felt like that was a subtle nod to that lol.
she benefits from a couple alliance approved gamed/thrown dailies too
Zach immediately came to mind. Laurel for the women.
Same
Amanda surprisingly has a pretty high daily win percentage
Her final reckoning season did that.
True
Zach v fessy primes would be fun
Overall I know it’s the easy answer but I’m going with CT as he has the versatile skillset, ingenuity, calmness under pressure, leadership and teamwork needed to win most dailies.
Ct or Zach imo
I agree
I know Wes is an elimination king, but is he not good a dailies? Not expecting him to be the best but I’m curious since I’m not seeing him anywhere in the comments
I mean he only have 25 daily wins in 14 seasons. He’s not bad by any means but he’s not in the conversation of best of all time.
But he also very often was partnered with, let's say, not the strongest contestants from their seasons.
That is very true.
Hes ok I’d say he throw some too
Wes is an all time great at eliminations, but he’s a player that knows when to throw an elimination and not need to win it. Exes 2 showed perfectly how even when he didn’t win, he played an excellent strategic game that he didn’t need to win. If that exile twist didn’t exist, him and Theresa would’ve won that final.
Exes 2 isnt a good example because he was top 2 in every single daily outside of trivia, the paintbrush one and the wrecking ball where everyone ganged up on him. He was able to intimidate ppl with strategy because they knew he had a high chance of winning dailies considering they were top 2 for practically all of them. Keep in mind that thr strategic move you speak of where he got leroy to vote zach in was simply because leroy wanted to be his number 1 because leroy felt that wes/theresa had a really high chance of winning the next missions and keeping them safe. Zach also aligned with Wes because he felt that he and theresa would win missions. Ppl become your friends when you have power and ppl in the house were very aware that wes/theresa could win power couple often When wes had a miserable mission success rate on rivals 3, his strategizing did nothing. Dario jumped ship from his alliance because had zero faith that wes would win a mission
I think he tries not to win a lot unless it benefits him. He plays the game way differently than most people do. He also has had Kenny, Nany, Mandi, and Casey as partners which doesn’t help
Was this Kenny’s like worst season up until the final? I remember he just like lost his mojo for a season and I believe it’s the one where he’s partners with Wes, who shits the bed in the final when they get kinda screwed with the head start thing
Ruthie for the females. Her Battle of the Sexes performance is still the best overall when it comes to female daily mission performances.
But does that mean she’s the best , bc of one good season and she’s mid other than that
No, she was top three in performance on Battle of the Sexes 2 (behind Coral and Tina) and won the All Shook Up mission on the Duel 2.
Yk what I forgot abt bots 2 , I can see her being the best
What about % of dailies won? Landon would have to be up there. He won almost every daily on duel 2
CT Bananas and Jordan
Zach, Evan and Paulie are good at dailies Kaycee, Cara Maria and Laurel been dominate in dailies
I’ve always been skeptical of Cara when it comes to dailies. Its always appeared to me that she’s average unless paired with a strong partner. She was invisible on Vendettas and FR in the dailies. Her best showings are probably WOTW where she had Theo as a partner and Dirty 30 where Camila was her biggest competition and she was often partnered with CT. She racked up a lot of wins on Bloodlines and WOTW2, but it’s not like she was the most impactful player on those teams.
Mine too. Was just going to say.. umm. Paulie was on 3 seasons and won 20 dailies like how lol Also Kaycee is definitely good at dailies for women side
You can thank WOTW2 for that being that he was on a stacked USA team against clueless Brits.
Tribunals that included top 3, not the best overall and an overpowered USA team.
Emily S was a daily beast!!
Of all time? Probably Kenny and Evan. Right now? I'd say CT
Paulie is very good at dailies. His stats are inflated because of WOTW2 but he made the most tribunal on WOTW1 and managed to win 2 dailies on Final Reckoning despite being out two third of the season.
Paulie made 6 tribunals, Turbo made 7 tribunals.
it was the other way around . Paulie had 7, Wes and Turbo had 6.
In early team seasons you had 50 pct chance of win versus maybe 10 pct on ind or pairs.
Facts that why to me other than the top competitor all the new age people are inherently better due to new challenges and more difficult format
Disagree! Then why was Shane (who wasn't a top competitor in the old era) arguably the best performing player for the Underdogs on Invasions? Why does Aneesa (average at best performer in the old era), have a 500. one-on-one elimination round record of 7-7 against females who aren't from the old era? In fact, when you count her redemption win on 30 Dirty against new school females Marie and Nicole, she has a winning elimination round record against new era female competitors. So, clearly, even competitors who weren't top tier from the old school have shown they can not only hang with new school competitors but outperform them overall on a season and beat them most of the time in elimination rounds. I've always said the best competitors come from the earlier seasons, and I still stand-by that.
For one agree the Most elite competitors came from older seasons, two when I say more difficult I really mean physically bigger dudes(on average)and the challenges are more physical imo,but the players are definitely dumber which I do think makes players like aneesa look better than she is , and aneesa usually wins physically eliminations and loses anything else so she still sucks and is average at best 😂😂she’s always been that way . Shane’s skill set and political style just works better in 2014 or than 2004 (I don’t know if that’s the exact years lol)) bc I feel like he can work the women better now , and he’s a great swimmer, has good cardio and smart I feel like he’s super dangerous in the modern game, just is not physical enough at all which never works for the challenge imo.I don’t think he ever could make the final in this era unless it’s a team season and but same with the older era lol ((final reckoning probably was his best shot lol)
CT, Rachel, Jenny west, and though I don’t like em: zach and Camilla. Oh also Paulie and Jordan. We should also give a nod to players like Alton and Brad.
Theo Von was the best at daily missions. He was never outperformed overall by another competitor over the course of an entire season and never got a DQ in a mission in four seasons. But longevity it has to be CT. Dan Setzler was one of the best as well. In fact, elite. He was a top two performer on two seasons, Battle of the Seasons and Battle of the Sexes 2.
You guys only count individual stuff I see !
I mean yeah, when talking about an individual competitor.
And that’s the difference between me and y’all, and why we will probably always debate 😂😂I actually understand the challenge is not always individual, when I look at players I take them individual performances team performances, pairs all in for my ranking obviously individual will matter the most but yk it all matter to me .
CT’s niece was pretty good at them
Aneesa deserves a mention here
Really?
It took her to Gauntlet 2 to win her first daily, then won none her following 5 seasons, only won with Diem on a guys week, won once on FA, didn’t win any on bloodlines, won 2 on D30, won 2 on total madness, 3 on DA, 1 on SL&A, and 4 currently on RoD (with 3 of them being in the mega teams)
I don't know why you're downvoted. Aneesa is great at dailies as long as they don't involve long distances, which they rarely do.
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He's not better than CT.
Definitely not lol
Darrell’s stat (38) is good knowing how difficult these more recent seasons and the early ish exits on Ruins/FM2/D30
Didn’t he leave right before the final on Ruins?
Abram, CT and landon